Italian made 1851 Navy revolver shoot out
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- Опубліковано 8 лют 2025
- In this week’s video I’ll be doing a shoot out between 1851 Navyreplicas made by both Pietta and Uberti.
I’ll shoot each gun off of a rest and we’ll see which gun is more accurate with round balls, and with conical bullets.
Which one do you think will come out on top?
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Morning coffee and watching Mike nothing better 👍🏻☕️👍🏻
I wish you'd get a new line, Geeze.
I've been rolling up paper cartridges using cigarette papers & just regular lead round ball for many many years now. I whittled a small wooden mandrel with a flat bottom to wrap the papers around, fold the paper as such so that the bottom will be flat, and use a tiny amount of Elmer's glue to hold the paper together at the bottom along with spreading a thin layer around the top to hold the round ball securely in, leaving the top half of the lead round ball exposed. This makes for nicely formed & sturdy paper cartridges which are easy to load. I carry the paper cartridges in an empty tobacco can in my back pocket. It's possible to load + cap all 6 cylinders on a .36 or .44 revolver in 45 - 50 seconds or so (when using a capping tool).
I like to walk around my farm and plink, so the paper cartridges make this far easier when plinking around with a blackpowder revolver.
Darn good shooting overall, and a very informative video regardless! The front sight fitment on your Uberti looks like a mod very well executed. Nice pistola!
I like Uberti revolvers better mostly because of the hidden Italian markings under the loading lever and the grip is closer to a Colt than the Pietta but they seem to shoot close to the same. Both need work out of the box to be reliable.
Love my Griswald pietta in 36. I use 375 and they group well.
Mr. Mike I never noticed until today that your pour spout is a necked down cartridge brazed onto a top. Very cleaver and a great new idea for me. Thanks.
Another great video Mike! Thanks so much for all you do.
I wish you'd make a drawing to come visit and shoot with you for a day.
Great shoot out. 1860 look cool but the 1851 awesome.
Another great video Mike. I have a 1861 navy, not shot it yet. , have a 1862 Police, i have shot many times. I made paper cartridges using cigarette papers. Not bad at 10 yards. I de burred and smoothed the action via your videos. Thank you for all you do. Cheers
Good to see you at the range again! Love your work!
My first handgun was a CVA 1861 36 cal navy, I bought a Lee .380" conical mold and used that gun a lot in the woods. I could never get a load to match the sights but knew where it hit by Kentucky windage and had a lot of fun with it. Wished I had known about paper cartridges back then (I was 14 years old) as would have made reloading faster.
Now there needs a test of how the navy Remingtons will do .
Another great video, Mike. I think that the reason people get such different results in this kind of test is that these revolvers come from the factory at different levels of quality, so that I have had some Piettas that were excellent and others that were less so, while the only Uberti I have had is an utter piece of crap. That last group was incredibly strange; I just shot my Pietta Navy a few weeks ago, and got a string test measurement of 2.4 in./rd. (not group size, String Test, so it took into account both the size of the string and the distance from the mean point of impact to the intended mean point of impact or bullseye) with Eras Gone conicals in paper cartridges. Nor is my Pietta a great one--this is a piece I have had a lot of problems with. But 2.4 in./rd. is nothing to sneeze at, and that last group in the video would have been closer to 10 in./rd. or more. I am wondering of those hard bullets might not have been a factor--the Uberti's rifling might just be better with harder lead, maybe?
The Pietta was made after lunch.
Mike Mike Mike! Cool video, sir!
thank you for the John Gurnee book reference. I picked one up.
Good job,Mike. Love your videos. I don't think that I've ever owned an Uberti.
Pietta New Model Army Remington (erroneously called the 1858) is the only BP revolver I have ever owned, can't complain about it.
I would certainly love to own all of them, but being retired kind of put a crimp in my firearms acquisition prospects, LOL.
That 8 inch group is something.
I love this serie.
Thanks!
As they say, that Pietta was made after lunch. Lunch in Italy is traditionally from 1-4. Ubertis are always a little more expensive, so maybe that's why. Either way, we have to thank the boys in Brescia and guys like Mike Harvey (Cimmaron) and Boyd Davis (E.M.F.) for making these repros available. I don't't have either, but am in the market for one. My cartridge CAS pistols are E.M.F. Piettas, and they are excellent. Great vid.
Justin Castro's smoke has cleared down here in Mayberry. It wasn't as bad as as PA or NY.
A friend of mine mistakenly shot a vulture on the groind during the PA fall turkey season back in the 70s when we had very few. He did not take it home for Thanksgiving, LOL. We're of the vintage where we only saw vultures in cowboy movies. They now follow me around sometimes on my farm near Mayberry, kinda creepy! A feral piglet got roadkilled in front of my property and there was about 50 vultures hanging around.
Boyd was a friend of mine. He passed away several years ago. Pietta now owns E.M.F.
Them buzzards are thick in california
I think the Pieta is very good with both RB and conical. Mike , you’re a very good shooter
Oh, what the heck on that Pieta 2nd target !!
Hi Mike, I bought a couple of 1851 navy colts from cimmaron about 7 years ago. Very pleased with the way they perform.
Month and a half without rain, man last year 2022 les than 7 inches of moisture! The drought is very bad. Good video as always!
Great vid Mike! I've collected and shot Piettas since 75' and they have come a long way in quality since then. Still require some smoothing and final finishing and tweaking here and there, but truth be told I enjoy tinkering with them almost as much as I enjoy shooting them.
I didnt get a good look at the conical bullet, but it looks like the .36 Richmond Lab that Mark Hubbs sells at eras gone bullet molds.
I purchased one of those molds a couple months back, it makes a perfect bullet, after cleaning and prepping, they were dropping out fast and easy.
It is the Eras Gone Colt bullet
Thanks for a great video, Mike! Boy, that Uberti is a shooter!
thank you
Great video Mike, I have always enjoyed black powder revolver shooting.
Awesome show!! Thank You Very Much!!
I loved that "old" smoking guns, great Video, thank you Mr. Mike!
Ancestral memory vultures, when there was a civil war battle they got fed after.
I always wondered if loading the sprue up affects the aerodynamics of the ball in flight. I may try reversing them next time I get the pistolas out.
I just picked up an almost unfired 1989 Uberti 1851 Navy.
It's all steel with a case color hardened frame and loading lever. The trigger guard and grip strap are brass.
Fun to watch ! I've been shooting black powder guns for over 30 years but use pyrodex instead of black powder, main reason is cleanup and less smoke but either one is fine, whatever works.
Thanks for another great comparison video.
I recently lost the front sight on my Uberti 1851 at the range. Maybe I will check into getting a silver blade sight installed.
Great video, Mike. I do like these videos and think they show what the guns can do with minor clean up and mods. If the 'bones' were not there they would not be able to be improved to get this kind of accuracy. Keep up the good work and I will be there next week to join you in your video. Bye. 😉
The results from your 1860 Army and the 1851 Navy tests both seem to show the superiority of the Uberti. I have a Navy Arms 1860 Army that I bought way back in the early 80's when they still had the retail store in Ridgefield NJ. I'm not sure, but I do believe that the percussion revolvers that Navy sold back then were made by Pietta. Mine gets accuracy similar to your tests with round ball. I can't wait to try conicals. Great test Mike!
Noticed track of the wolf had some nice dovetail looking sights in nickel silver colored metal. Not sure what size would be best on the Navy though, glad to see you pulled it off successfully
These shoot outs are great. Great video Mike.
Those crafty Italians 🇮🇹
A fine comparison between these two Mike and I Thank You. I was cheering for the Pietta since I have one but as you say and indeed so, every gun and shooter vary. But how historically fun regardless! Many Blessings! And Good Shootin! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Excellent shooting . I bought a .44 cal Pietti years ago .never been shot . I believed there was excessive smokie powder discharge. Looking forward to shooting it when I find the powder and projectiles.
Greatvrange day . Thanks for bringing me along. Love the videos. Thanks again.
Great Video as always! John Taffin has been one of my favorites for Years!
Still weird seeing you load six after all these years. But not complaining by any means. Being from Brooklyn I had never even known about vultures outside of the south and west. Driving a truck few years back in upstate NY I saw something crawling on a dead deer on the roadside. In the shadows it looked and crept like a giant spider. Scared me to my nuts. Found out it was a turkey vulture. Creepy bastard. Thanks for listening( reading).
Thanks for watching!
Oh yes, here in West Virginia on carcasses they are like white on rice.
I love my Uberti. Great shootout comparison.
Nice video Mike. I found it quite interesting. Thank you.
Another cracking video Mike.....your so understated pure historical whatever the era....🇬🇧👍
Great video Mike. That Uberti is a shooter.
I saw a video that said the pietta ram rod was flat on the end and therefore bunting the end of the conical bullet and the ubertti was curved or deepest and better suited for loading conical bullets but you can order the part from ubertti and replace the one on pietta.
Been watching your channel for some years now Mike and I really enjoy you content - Ron
I was very glad you mentioned the short arbor. I have an UbertI 3rd model dragoon and I was considering doing something about the short arbor, however I do not shoot in competition and shoot it only occasionally, so your comments helped me make my decision. I would love to see a comparison between the 1858 Remingtons.
Awesome videos Mike, keep them coming…
Thanks!
Good morning from Syracuse NY brother and thank you for sharing your thoughts and information about the old fashion weapons and the facts and truth and history my friend and no surrender brother
Hi Earl.
Hi my friend how are you doing today? I understand if or when you share what is happening my friend
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Love your videos mike!! You should do one video with conversion cylinders in the 1851s! I absolutely love my uberti with both stock cylinder and my conversion cylinder! It’s super fun small game hunting with! Keep up the great work and I’m rooting for your duelist den ordeal!
Thanks, Mike. I really enjoyed this video. I am slowly catching up on my UA-cam videos after watching the June 6th D-Day anniversary videos for a while. I ordered a Johnston & Dow .44 mold from Eras Gone last week, so this video was very timely. I ordered the book on making cartridges and intend to put it to good use. Thanks very much.
Good videos always occur when you "get to make a lot of smoke".
Thanks my friend and nice shooting....
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My Uberti 1851 RM is one of a few revolvers that I enjoy shooting. I'm getting custom grips made for it.
Very good test. The Uberti did well. I have always been a fan of the Uberti. Keep these coming my friend.
Yeah it did well for the mods done to it!!! Geesh.
Shocking! The Pietta cannot possibly be that bad????😳
Too much soot in the pipe!
It looks like the Pietta may of had a dirty barrell. Great video!!
Interesting video regardless of outcome, my old second hand Uberti 1851 was more accurate than a new Pietta I bought later but I put in down to the Pietta having a shorter barrel. I hear that Pietta have have improved the quality of their revolvers in the last few years.
My Pietta 1860 doesn't like paper at all, lots of times they just come apart. However my 1858 NMA Pietta doesn't care. The 1860 Army will shoot Loose powder and Ball or Lee RN 200gr. Conicals just fine .I found with Cast Round Ball I don't need to worry about the Sprue Cut if I use my Hornady Vibratory Tumbler (clean it out first) and dump them in for about 1 or 2 hours until the Sprue Cuts are gone then get a can of Graphite Lock Spray from Home Depot and give them a little spray and run until dry. They come out looking like Hornady Store Bought .I also use this for OO Buckshot also from a Lee Mold ( they are about the same size as the .31 Round Ball you used in your Pocket Colt Video. Just clean the Tumbler Tub Out and your back to cleaning Brass unless you have an extra Tub from an Old Tumbler as I do.
Watching your testing videos really makes me want to go buy one of these from a sutler at Gettysburg.
Great Video, it looks like you had fun out there.
I have an 1858 Remington. I like it. But, I have wanted an 1851 Colt for a longer time.. .36 appeals to me.
You have a really good eye for pistol shooting especially with such a crude site picture on those type pistols I would not want to get hit with one of those many of these new fangled semi auto pistols probably will not group any better. or not put you to shame.
Interesting! Some surprises, considering twist rates. Interesting that the change in point of impact with change of load was not the same with both guns.
Cool man cool. I want that front sight.
I use a 3d printer to make my own 12 rd boxes . I do like the looks of those paper boxes
I would love to see you do this same test with your 1st and 2nd gen colt 51 navys
Andrew Perdie or Piano made pistols......got to love subtitles for getting the truth out!
As for the 1860s, I have a pair of... Pietta... lol just a Navy 61 and a Remington NMA made by uberti. I like my Pietta they work well out of box, and even better after the light polishing of the internal parts.
Great video. Been watching videos on black powder guns and thinking getting into them. So regardless of which gun I get it may need some work done on it.😢 oh well I guess I should build a Time Machine get one from Colt back in 1863.
Agree John Taffin is great!
Thanks for another good video Mike.
That pietta going from 3.5” to an 8” group with the conicals was really surprising! Were you cleaning the barrels after each test?
No.
That was my immediate thought. Obviously the gun can shoot...and we all know Mike can shoot! I think that last group was just a case of too much soot in the pipe! I own several Uberti's and they all shoot great. I only have one Pietta...a Remington NMA that I raided for parts to get an original (1863 mfd) Civil War Remington New Model Army up and running.
Very Nice - Thanks ! ! !
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Great video Mike - and some nice shooting! I really appreciate these comparisons; I always wondered how the different brands compared in their approaches.
Thank you for a great video. I enjoyed it and appreciate the information.
Thanks Mike very informative.
Another great vid. 👍
EXCELLENT EXCELLENT VIDEO! I have a Connecticut Valley Arms Navy 36 cal that I put together from a kit when I was 14. I'm 59. It is very accurate with round ball, I have never been able to find conical bullets for it. Yes, I know, get my own mold. LOL. But honestly, can I purchase them somewhere? I honestly haven't fired it in 25 years or so. I'm kinda fixated with my 1911 45 and my Ruger Vagaro 44 Magnum. But after watching this video, I'm getting blackpowder fever. God Bless...
Thanks for video.
Thanks for demo 👍☕️☕️✌️
back some powder off and i bet the groups tighten up on the piette for conc and round ball is easier to load and round ball flattens with 21 grains up close like
Great review 😎👍
Thanks!
My Uberti 1851 with a corrected arbor can hit anywhere I want out to 25 yards. It is the most accurate gun I own with the cleanest trigger break.
Excellent video Mr. Mike! I Keep up the good work and don't let the buzzards get you! 🤠
Thanks for this vid.
Thanks for a great video.
Thanks for your great videos! Always informative and entertaining too!
Nice one pawpaw 😊
Great video, thank you for sharing!
Thanks!
Hi Mike, was wondering if you could do a shooting comparison & history of the Colt 1849 Pocket Revolver & the Remington 1863 Pocket revolver please & thank you.
I'll see what I can do. I don't have a Remmie Pocket at the moment, but I'll see what I can turn up...might be in the Fall though.
Pietta's have undersized chambers, the projectile doesn't engage enough with the rifling causing reduced accuracy and erratic velocity. Uberti's have this problem too but it's only slightly and not really noticeable.
Really like the shoot out format, Mike.
Yes, really helpful.
Canadian wildfire smoke? Last weekend we had the Ontario Provincial blackpowder championships. I joked that with the poor air quality we were releasing sulphurous smoke into the atmosphere.
You're Pietta 1851 is about on par for what mine is as far as roundball accuracy. Mine with .375" Hornady balls get about the same size groups pretty much to point of aim with Goex FFFG powder.
Great video Mike! I love the shoot outs. The turkey buzzards around here circle me when I’m weed eating. 😂
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