Ha! Considering that he knocked up a child, then dodged both the mother and his son his entire life, "kid" might as well be a threat coming from him. To be clear: When Karl Malone was in college, he impregnated a 13-year-old girl. He's disgusting. Stockton's just a dumb MAGA dude, but he doesn't suck on the same level as Malone. Couldn't have happened to a better duo.
Every fan poster I ever saw coming back from commercial break on Sunday when NBA on NBC ran from late 80's and entire 90's when Malone played on the Road. I can't believe Pippen tried to take credit for that.
@@paulfeasal6024 those other players you named played a different position than Stockton. As a PG he deserved to go to an defensive 1st team at least once. Give me a break.
@@davidtalany2153 I would agree at least once make it. Stockton was scrappy as hell on D. Aside from that I love that he was a PG that actually set screens.
Yes Michael Jordan, but also the Western Conference was *extremely* competitive during the 90s. Any given year, there'd be 4 to 6 legitimate contenders, so just getting to the Bulls was a huge task.
Malone lost against other people more than he did against MJ. And when he did play against MJ he choked more times than not. I can't remember off the top of my head but he's lost a series with HCA more than any other all time player I think. He's just overrated af lol
The real answer is that most teams going to the playoffs were champion material. The final results were always left to players ability to remain cool in the final moments, the ones who fumbled lost. The jazz almost always fumble, Thats why chicago has 6 rings, MJ wouldnt fumble in key games.
Showtime Lakers, Bird's Celtics, Bad Boy Pistons, 2x 3-Peat Bulls, Hakeem's Rockets, Shaq/Kobe Lakers, and Duncan's Spurs. Those were the teams that won in those 18 years. Incredible.
Actually the spurs and lakers where giving them a hard time they only had back to back finals 97-98 and that its jordan just stop them in the those two finals
As a Nuggets fan, I had the pleasure of seeing the Jazz quite a few times. I would pretty much watch Stockton the whole game and he would just grind guys down and get under their skin until they gave up. It was a pleasure to watch.
Your pleasures are what I would call my pains. It wasn,t fun watching Michael Adams, Jalen Rose or Chris Jackson guard this guy. They sucked against the Jazz and Stockton took the life from Denver in the 80s + 90s
@Briscoe17555 basically the jazz and malone/stockton weren't good enough...they had good oportunities to win, and they wasted them. 1999 When Jordan Retired, 1994-95 when jordan retired. 1990 when the Pistons won against the blazers. Malone is a bit overrated for me, and stockton, at least for me, wasn't aggresive enough as a scorer as he should have.
@Briscoe17555 where did I say malone wasn't aggresive as a scorer? i said he was overrated and that stockton was the one who wasn't aggresive enough as a scorer
I am a Jazz fan (not to mention a Minnesota Vikings fan). All I know is pain. Although, we do have a bright future with Gobert and Mitchell. Brightest since Stockton and Malone.
@@King_Conn I didn't say they were going to be. What I'm saying is that with a few more years under their belt, Mitchell and Gobert will probably have what it takes to get the Jazz to the Finals. I was just saying that this current era of Jazz basketball is the best since Stockton and Malone.
Stockton deserves more respect. Two records that are unreachable, Fantastic durability in a rough and tough era, Gary Payton one of the best guard defenders ever said he was the hardest to guard. He is THE point guard every team would want.
absolutely loving this series and this Jazz one is the best of them! one tiny mistake at 17:55 it should be Jeff who threw the pass to Malone and messed up
I am a Celtics fan but when I played NBA Live 95 in the 90s. When I created a custom team, My first 5 were Parish, McHale, Bird, Jordan and Stockton. I always love Stockton.
@@TokyoBalletReprise Drafted Mitchell for the Jazz. A deal was already in place before draft night started. As for Gobert the Jazz sent cash and Erick Green to Denver for Gobert. So the Jazz flat out fleeced the Nuggets on the Gobert trade.
Reporter: What did you say to Karl before those free throws? Pipen: Oh, I told him the mailman don't deliver on Sundays. Pivotal moment in my life learning how to be a straight up savage with words.
@AnEn he had the right to be mad at jackson not giving him that play when he was the man during that season lol. 2nd fiddle yes, he accepted that role when jordan was there and look how he got those shiny 6 rings on a 2 three peat while others so called "greats" don't even have one lmao.
@AnEn Malone had Stockton, when Jordan left Pippen didn't have anyone. He had a budding Toni Kukoc but realistically he didn't have anyone and the Bulls only dropped a couple of games. Pippen accomplished a lot for someone who had just been given the reigns out of the blue, he led the team in every statistical category and finished 3rd in MVP voting and one bad call away from potentially making the finals. Sounds good to me.
Or be like Mike and ignore clever and just bluntly attack a man like 23 did to muggsy bougs . Wrecked his career with 5 words ,muggsy was never the same .
It’s really unbelievable how the Jazz lost so many opportunities in very close decisive games throughout the years. He forgot to mention that series against the Blazers in 99, when the Jazz barely lost game 2 with Stockton having a layup that went in and out. In my opinion, 99 was the year for the Jazz to win the title, but they let Chris Morris and Antoine Carr leave.
Nicely done!!! like watching a paid documentary but even better had me at the edge of my sit through the whole thing. Karl Malone and John Stockton what legends!!! especially Stockton, some assist and steal records that will never be broken. Yeah, your suggestion was better than you tube's :) thumbs up!!!
@Aronjo I watched many a game between Jordan and Reggie. Reggie disrupted the Bulls. Never had the team like Michael did. Once Scottie established himself on that team everybody knew it was over. Reggie was (and probably still is) a stellar player and shooter. Very frustrating single opponent.
I HATED these guys when I was a kid because they destroyed my Lakers in the '97 and '98 playoffs. But, now I respect and appreciate them for being so good.
With the Coronavirus postponing the 2019-2020 season, I have been absolutely hooked on these videos. They found me at a perfect time. I didn't think I would miss basketball this much.
I hear ya. Makes me thankful for the Raptors winning last year. These two giants couldn't put one season together and get it done,It shows how hard you have to play and u need a little luck on your side
I think that their basic problem is that they just weren’t quite good enough. Most of the time they were good for about 55 wins and third to fifth rank in a very deep Western Conference, and while they theoretically could have broken through and won it one of those years, the odds weren’t in their favour. When they got up to 60 plus wins and became more of a true championship calibre team they fell to an historically great Bulls team, in back to back 6 game series.
Short answer: Michael Jordan. Long answer: ["Sirius" by The Alan Parsons Project starts playing] *And now, the starting lineup for your world champion Chicago Bulls!*
I don`t think a ring would have made them any more famous or legendary than they already are. I mean every team in this video had MVP or a couple HOF players.... Incredible era.
I'm a Jazz fan. Even though they'll kick you in the balls over and over again, I still love my team. Hopefully Mitchell and Gobert are finally the guys to do it....
I remembered when Scottie Pippen whispered a somewhat famous quote to Karl Malone in Game one of the '97 NBA Finals: "The Mailman doesn't deliver on Sundays..." And he bricked both free throws.
their problem is they were kinda overrated...malone was a multi-tier scumbag and a chokeartist who didnt have great post moves for a PF...be 1 thing if itd just been the showtime Lakers keeping them outta the finals during the 80s but that was really only 1 postseason series if memory serves, and the east was the tougher conference during the 80s as well as during most of the 90s....They didnt spend decades losing annually in the playoffs to Magic Johnson or Hakeem Olajuwons teams...They couldnt get to the finals until all the WC teams ahead of them, all of whom except for Houston and the showtime Lakers werent good enough to ever win the championship, declined. Meanwhile they werent able to even extend either of those 2 finals series against the Bulls to 7 games, whereas Reggie Millers Pacers did so in the 1998 ECF 1 rd b4 the Bulls beat the Jazz in 6 games...The Knicks also managed to take the Bulls to a 7th game in 92...The issue with the Jazz was they werent ever that great, and by the time they were in the finals none of their best players were in their primes anymore at all.
@@dp233332 they were the 3rd best west team in the 90s behind the rockets and spurs. They would have 2 rings if it wasnt for Jordan. Get your head out of your ass.
@@brentw0681 Not really. The East was stacked and significantly better than the West at the time. The Pacers and the Heat alone would have proven to be a huge challenge for the Jazz. In reality what let the Jazz done both times against the Bulls was the lack of scoring outside of Karl Malone. Stockton passed the ball way too much instead of focusing on scoring more. Passing was pretty much all he had to his game which therefore made the Jazz offense incredibly predictable. Just watch Rusty Buckets video on why Stockton is the most overrated player of all time and couldn't truly contribute enough to a Championship winning team.
@@taliamason7986 So stupid lmao, Every 3 out of the 4 years the Bulls didn't win in the 90s, the West won. Not to mention the Pacers were the only consistent runner-up.
I remember the Jazz vs Sonics series when the crowd got into Malones's head by screaming "10, 9, 8,...." when he was shooting free throws. 90's NBA was the best.
I don't know if they got into Malone's head or his mechanics were simply off. Consider: he shot an uncharacteristically low 58% from the line during the entire 1996 playoffs. It's interesting when a guy's accuracy just drops out of the blue, then returns to normal the next season (75-78%).
The Bulls fans were counting in the Finals too when Malone was at the line, haha. He always took more than 10 seconds. His problem was obvious and can be seen clearly even in this video: for some unknown reason his free throws are like fadeaways; he's always falling backwards when he shoots them.
I am 56, this year. Is everyone watching Secret Base vids about the NBA the same age, or older? Akeem in Houston, Barkley, Drexler, Kemp, Ewing,and of course Celtics, Lakers, and Bulls... Jeez. So many great games which I have forgotten. Stockton and Malone were sublime. I'm going to YT full games for the rest of the day.
@@13jumpball13 dude obviously i was referring to the Jazz not winning a title. i said "EXCEPT" meaning jazz are like the Spurs EXCEPT not winning a championship. you dnt do reading comprehension, do you?
Enthusiastic Zestful Villainy try using a little punctuation next time and maybe you’ll get your point across better. Sorry someone pissed in your Cheerios this morning, anonymous plankton account
lol but they eventually hurdled all those obstacle and made it to the finals, clearly it's not the reason alone. if they made it to 91- 93 finals they would still be smashed. just like how MJ smashed those guys.. except hakeem.
@umar b we all watched the vid, problem is... We watched the the live version already. Lol and we know what you apparently don't... Didn't matter what happened in the west then.... U were going to get beat by the bulls 91-93 and 96-98. So we're not a cult and we're not idiots or imbeciles. We just had the best team of the era led by the best player of all time. P.s. mic drop....
Lol. Jordan won 6 out of 10 times in the 90's and it should have been 8 if he didnt decide to play baseball and we all know that. Jordan.......and Pippen are the reason. Anything else is conjecture.
I remember Isiah talking about the main reason Utah never won, he said it was Karl’s free throw shooting. I never understood until I thought about how many games, specifically playoff games, that could have been won due to Karl making his free throws in the last minutes and seconds of their games.
I remember how loud Key Arena was, in both the 93 first round series, and the 96 WCF series... Game 7 was the loudest game, I have ever witnessed, at the Key! I miss the Supersonics, so much... :-(
sonics was my team facing the bulls haha (Schrempf,Kemp and Payton) good trio, rodman killed them in this series tho. but never liked the jazz and well pip was always my guy, so was rooting for the bulls in those series.
@@cheef825 If Mac10 had been fully healthy, Seattle would've won the series... His back was in real bad shape, the last half of the 95-96 season, and it was during the Finals games where Mac got those shots in his back, just so he could play a few mins... Mr. Sonic was one of my very favorite players! One of the most tenacious defenders, to ever wear the green and gold!
When he hit that shot, I jumped up off my sofa so hard I hit my head and put a hole in the ceiling. Cost me my cleaning deposit when I moved out of the apartment.
I mean CP3 could still win a championship if he leaves Phoenix in FA to go to the Lakers, Clippers, 76ers or Heat, he fits in great there. Hell, even possible if he decides to go to Denver. CP3, Murray, Aaron Gordon, MPJ, Jokic sounds like a terrifying starting 5. So much scoring and playmaking on that team. I'm not a Denver fan but I hope he goes there in FA and wins a chip with them. Phoenix is a young and talented team but CP3 is too old to be trying to win a championship with them when this will be their first playoff appearance since 2010. Time is ticking for him to get his ring.
Exactly that's why their overrated. Their stats were great but couldn't get it done when it counted. Even in 98 Stockton missed that 3.. If he did we wouldn't be talking about Jordans last shot.
Harper got a finger on that shot. The 3 before to put Utah up 3 he hit. Watch game 6 against Houston and game 4 1997 finals the end both games. Stockton was clutch. His assists and steals records will never be broken. He is the 2nd greatest of ever.
When you say 18 seasons, that surprised me a lot. Like the Spurs 5 chip dynasty made the playoffs over 20 years under Pop. So, Utah is simply snake-bitten
"these two were the greatest to never do it"! Man! I grew up during the 90's and you knew who they were and were always in contention. Stockton and Malon!
Good. And along with Karl, not much else. Though Bryan Russell I felt could've been featured a bit more. Their roster was filled with too many pedestrian players. Adam Keefe, Greg Foster, Ostertag, Eisley, Shandon Anderson. John & Karl had to do a lotta heavy lifting to get em as far as they did. Clyde Drexler points this out. They simply didn't have quality depth like Phoenix and Portland had to go against the Bulls.
can you guys please do one on Tony Gwynn? He was always considered the Wade Boggs of the National League. He had 15 all-star appearances, seven silver sluggers, five gold gloves, and tied Honus Wagner for the most NL batting titles, including his legendary season in 1994, in which he would have become the first player since Ted Williams in 1941 to achieve a .400 batting average. He also loved the city of San Diego so much, that he was willing to take less money just to stay in his adopted hometown. Despite all of this, he never won the world series, league MVP, and only appeared twice. With all the power and experience the Padres had during this time, I would like to know once and for all, what made Tony Gwynn "Untitled?"
All the same reasons that Barry Bonds never won a World Series. Individual contributions in baseball are heavily limited. I'll paraphrase what Seth said about Bonds to talk about Gwynn, "You are limited to 1/9 of the at bats and can only field balls hit your way. Technically, Gwynn could have batted 1.000 his entire career and never won a game let alone a World Series if the rest of the bats or pitching don't perform"
@2:26 "Stockton became the fulltime point guard and the youngster led..."- John Stockton, my good sir, has in-fact never been a "youngster". John Stockton came out of his mother with full pit bush and a full man prairie on his chest. He then slapped the doctor and proceeded to flawlessly pass the bottle to the dumbfounded nurse who in turn filled it promptly. This was the first of many assists in his lifetime.
I think that that was the only game in those 2 years of the Bulls vs Jazz Finals that there was a blowout game. Practically every game used to come down to the last play to be decided.
just thisguy you have to remember that the Jazz had homecourt advantage and had swept the Lakers in the western finals while the Bulls barely beat the Pacers in a 7 game series. That’s why many people thought the Jazz would win that year, but I don’t think the bulls were taken as underdogs, it was very close between the two teams.
@@luke83rj I just checked. In 97 the Bulls won game 2 by 12, then Utah won game 3 by 11. Besides those 2 games and the 42 point slaughter, every other game was won by 5 points or less.
I am fitty years young and the NBA was so amazing during the 80’s and 90’s I never their would get washed down the way it has,then again all sports have changed.
History appreciates players' loyalty to a team and the legacy they leave behind more than what players think. Professionals today put so much on the benefits of winning a ring. Winning a ring is amazing, but the way in which you go to achieve it means so much more, win or lose. Malone and Stockton left a such an amazing impact at Utah. Anytime someone mentions the Jazz it cannot be done without saying something about Stockton and Malone. All without a championship! This proves that a title can be overrated. They are amazing players who did not diminish their name by going off somewhere else to win a championship (yes Karl Malone did, but 1 or 2 years at the end of a career aren't enough to really diminish their brand). I wish players today would be more concerned about being a franchise player with a retired number and HOF career than just leaving a team to go win a ring. I don't think players realize that the more they go from team to team in an attempt to win a title, the more they ruin their own legacy and how they will be remembered.
Stockton is the most underrated Hall of Famer in history. At best, people call him the greatest passer in history….which he is. However, a lot of people disagree with that FACT. He is also a severely underrated scorer. That’s the case solely because he was the best team player in history too. Because of that, he followed every instruction his coach gave him…..which was, pass to Karl Malone. Side note, the only reason he didn’t win a championship was…..Karl Malone (who was slightly overrated). Yes, he’s a HOFer. However, as this video laid out, he was also a terrible free throw shooter, and even more importantly, choked under pressure…especially in the playoffs. Whenever Malone wasn’t looking at the underaged children in the crowd, he was a slightly overrated all-time great. (Sorry, but it has to be said whenever Malone’s name is mentioned).
People forget I think how good utah was. They wasn't over athletic but was so fundamental it was very hard to beat them! Great ball movement and shot selection.
This needs to be a 30 for 30 how two of the absolute greatest of all time played together for 18 years and never won an nba championship boggles my mind
Honestly it's much more than that, sure the Bulls beat them twice when Stockton and Malone were well past their prime. What about all those disappointments during their prime? And why couldn't the franchise put a better team around them? Especially considering Stockton never demanded the money he was worth. (Look at Stockton's numbers during his prime from 88-93, they are rediculous)
@@gregfarley7884 Why did Olajuwon only make 2 Finals in the 90s? Timing matters. If Malone and Stockton make it in 94 and 95, instead of 97 and 98, history would look at them very differently. Same thing with Olajuwon.
The western conference was insane they would end up getting beat up in the playoffs. By time whatever team got to the finals they weren't as fresh as a team like the Bulls that cruised through the eastern conference.
Before Malone missed those two free throws in game 1 of the 97 finals, Pippen told him “the mailman don’t deliver on Sunday”. (The game was played on a Sunday of course).
Those 2 seasons that Houston won the title back to back Hakeem Olajuwan was unbelievable. Yes he was already great but those 2 seasons he upped his game to another universe. He had great quickness, footwork and moves underneath the basket but what made him unstoppable was when he worked on and perfected that turn around fall away jumper on the wings that he didn't have earlier in his career. Not only did Olajuwan win back to back MVP awards but he also won DPOY back to back.
@@geordiejones5618 Yup, the Rockets were a league best 5-1 against the Bulls during Jordan's first 3-peat. They really did match up well against them. Hakeem would have averaged 40 on Cartwright.
Stockton to Malone. what a combo. I don't buy in to the Jordan mythos; so I really like how this video showed the reality of the situation and that History could easily have gone either way with the Jazz's finals appearances.
Beef history: Karl Malone vs Age of consent
Lmao
Lol
Spira Ognew 🤣☠️☠️
@Florian Held The same way Elvis did
N'Degwa Omg this Elvis thing again. Wow other people are horrible too? Whoa dude, thanks for the enlightening comments
I love how Stockton has ALWAYS looked like he is in his mid 40s
Lol
I love clips of their first season together. Karl! How youthful and vigorous you look! And John... Riiiiiight.
Never aged a day
caruso of the 90’s
Stockton has looked 45 since 1988
Stockton is incredibly overhated nowadays. You don’t just accidentally have two all time records.
By a wide margin at that
@@muhammadfarhan581 Or the Jazz for that matter.
Under appreciated you mean. Real hoopers know the deal though...his ratings in steals and assists speak for themself
@@muhammadfarhan581 and then the spurs ran off their best player in the Klaw smh.
@Drik McGough Because those records require brains.
Malone calling his teammates “kids” was probably his version of a compliment
Ha! Considering that he knocked up a child, then dodged both the mother and his son his entire life, "kid" might as well be a threat coming from him.
To be clear: When Karl Malone was in college, he impregnated a 13-year-old girl. He's disgusting.
Stockton's just a dumb MAGA dude, but he doesn't suck on the same level as Malone.
Couldn't have happened to a better duo.
iLmao scrolled down to the comments after that part of the video cause I knew someone would make a comment
Its his way of calling you hot
Its his way of calling you hot
18:04 heads weren’t the only thing Malone was wanting to get in
"The mailman don't deliver on Sunday."-Scottie Pippen.
Every fan poster I ever saw coming back from commercial break on Sunday when NBA on NBC ran from late 80's and entire 90's when Malone played on the Road. I can't believe Pippen tried to take credit for that.
That was a regular trash talk phrase back in the day, way before Pippen used it.
hahahahahahahaha
Soloson Yeah but Scottie used it so brilliantly
Apparently they don't call goal tending on Sundays either.. 22:23
The answer: the mail man doesn’t deliver on Sunday
10mangakid 😂😂😂😂😂🤦🏽♂️
Mail man delivers to a 13 year old kid.
Ambi Dextrose your honor that ass don’t look 13 though, it looked 16
Scottie Pippen
😂
How Stockton never made a defensive first team while being the all time career steals leader is absurd to me
Defense isn’t always about steals lmao
Because he plays the lane alot and back door u that's how he got his steals it's not like he will lock u down one on one
@@paulfeasal6024 those other players you named played a different position than Stockton. As a PG he deserved to go to an defensive 1st team at least once. Give me a break.
Stockton was GRIMEY (*PERIOD)
@@davidtalany2153 I would agree at least once make it. Stockton was scrappy as hell on D. Aside from that I love that he was a PG that actually set screens.
John Stockton has evolved into an elite shot-blocker
Lmao well played
Nice
I see what you did there
I didn't get it
@@vigneshsubramanian2511he's antivaxx so he doesn't want those vaccine shots
Yes Michael Jordan, but also the Western Conference was *extremely* competitive during the 90s. Any given year, there'd be 4 to 6 legitimate contenders, so just getting to the Bulls was a huge task.
ja8ames what other team ?
@@ssj2p425 What other teams in the West? Portland, Phoenix, Houston, Seattle, San Antonio.
Exactly, it’s not like they were going to the finals every year & got beaten by the Bulls. They made it twice and that’s it.
@@LordBranniganThe Exactly. Jordan stopped them twice. What about the other decade of losing / choking that Malone did?
So basically those teams were so focused on beating each other that when they got to MJ they had no energy left.
"Why Stockton and Malone never won a title?"
Short Answer: The Goat
Long Answer: Eddie Johnson
Short Answer: MJ. Long answer: Prime 80's Lakers, Prime 90's Portland, Houston Rockets, Sonic's and the greatest Bulls team ever with the 🐐
Medium answer: Clyde Drexler, who was at Houston in "their year"... lmao
Ngaj B Hakeem?
Malone lost against other people more than he did against MJ. And when he did play against MJ he choked more times than not. I can't remember off the top of my head but he's lost a series with HCA more than any other all time player I think. He's just overrated af lol
The real answer is that most teams going to the playoffs were champion material. The final results were always left to players ability to remain cool in the final moments, the ones who fumbled lost.
The jazz almost always fumble, Thats why chicago has 6 rings, MJ wouldnt fumble in key games.
Love how Malone is the all time leader in FT but never could hit the big ones
Truth!
Mailman doesn’t deliver on Sundays 🤷🏼♂️
@Roger Edgerton well clearly not big enough
@@georgia_boi_0450 Scottie Pippen 💀😂
Georgia_boi_04 😂
Showtime Lakers, Bird's Celtics, Bad Boy Pistons, 2x 3-Peat Bulls, Hakeem's Rockets, Shaq/Kobe Lakers, and Duncan's Spurs. Those were the teams that won in those 18 years. Incredible.
1999 was their chance
Also why Barkley didn't win his title either
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Big Dawwwwg! 😂
20:05 For anyone who's looking for it :)
The most unlikeable duo ever
reggie furlow no
Before watching the video: MJ
After watching the video: free throws
I had that exact thought lol
@@TheDani218 same here thanks guys
@@sku36 get aired bum
Same thoughts here. MJ era. But not gona lie. I was always secretly rooting for them (jazz) i loved hornacek too when i was kid.
Free throws and mj
Short Answer: MJ
Long Answer: Michael Jeffery Jordan.
Mike M couldn’t have said it better. Ahha
Jordan played 13 seasons in the NBA. Without Scottie Pippen Jordan won Zero.
Right?
How the hell is this a 25 minute video? Lmao
Actually the spurs and lakers where giving them a hard time they only had back to back finals 97-98 and that its jordan just stop them in the those two finals
Jeffrey*
As a Nuggets fan, I had the pleasure of seeing the Jazz quite a few times. I would pretty much watch Stockton the whole game and he would just grind guys down and get under their skin until they gave up. It was a pleasure to watch.
Your pleasures are what I would call my pains. It wasn,t fun watching Michael Adams, Jalen Rose or Chris Jackson guard this guy. They sucked against the Jazz and Stockton took the life from Denver in the 80s + 90s
When I heard 18 seasons of making the playoffs with no title wins my eyes went 😳
It’s somehow impressive and yet at the same time depressing
When half the teams make the playoffs it isn't shocking
Same here 😵🤠😟🤒😪
@Briscoe17555 basically the jazz and malone/stockton weren't good enough...they had good oportunities to win, and they wasted them. 1999 When Jordan Retired, 1994-95 when jordan retired. 1990 when the Pistons won against the blazers. Malone is a bit overrated for me, and stockton, at least for me, wasn't aggresive enough as a scorer as he should have.
@Briscoe17555 where did I say malone wasn't aggresive as a scorer? i said he was overrated and that stockton was the one who wasn't aggresive enough as a scorer
I'm not a Jazz fan but these videos low key hit me in the feels
You're an honorary
I am a Jazz fan (not to mention a Minnesota Vikings fan). All I know is pain. Although, we do have a bright future with Gobert and Mitchell. Brightest since Stockton and Malone.
@@King_Conn I didn't say they were going to be. What I'm saying is that with a few more years under their belt, Mitchell and Gobert will probably have what it takes to get the Jazz to the Finals. I was just saying that this current era of Jazz basketball is the best since Stockton and Malone.
@@drewsmith4452Well unfortunately they're now gone, but we have an even brighter future with Markannen and the picks we have
Stockton deserves more respect. Two records that are unreachable, Fantastic durability in a rough and tough era, Gary Payton one of the best guard defenders ever said he was the hardest to guard. He is THE point guard every team would want.
Jay Waz Preach
he's not black.
Perry Stuart ok and?
Perry Stuart What does that have to do with him being a legend?
Perry Stuart that’s a bad statement. Neither was Steve Nash or Jason Kidd and they’re in the Hall of Fame.
absolutely loving this series and this Jazz one is the best of them!
one tiny mistake at
17:55
it should be Jeff who threw the pass to Malone and messed up
I'm glad Dirk will never be in one of these lol
That's different tho Dirk carried they had threats across the board
FSx CloS not really his supporting cast was garbage for many years
But cp3 will
@@aroobism isn't that what carried means?
FSxCluhBin . I read it wrong I just saw they had threats across the board and I was like hold up
What left John Stockton untitled:
Most people : *MJ*
Me: *Eddie Johnson*
Nice one mike (korzemba)
Who is Eddie Johnson?
@@moileung look at mike's new vid
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@@crapstergd8290 that's the wrong Eddie Johnson, even though he is mentioned in Mike's video
When not mowing the lawn, washing his minivan and going to bible study... John Stockton was an elite NBA player.
The Mormon Mamba
@@joshuaharris5032 😂😂😂😂
He’s not even Mormon lol
I seen what you did there..
Chad Lewis obviously not but Utah is a Mormon state bruh why do I have to explain this joke to you lol
I am a Celtics fan but when I played NBA Live 95 in the 90s. When I created a custom team, My first 5 were Parish, McHale, Bird, Jordan and Stockton. I always love Stockton.
Damn The Jazz’s GM At The Time Was Brilliant. These Two Weren’t Even Top 10 Draft Picks . Talk About Finding Gems Or An Eye For Talent.
*Cough Cough* Donovan Mitchell at 13. *Cough Cough* Rudy Gobert at 27.
Drew Smith Nuggets drafted then*
@@TokyoBalletReprise Drafted Mitchell for the Jazz. A deal was already in place before draft night started.
As for Gobert the Jazz sent cash and Erick Green to Denver for Gobert. So the Jazz flat out fleeced the Nuggets on the Gobert trade.
Air Pegasus that’s frank layden for ya
He was good not brilliant
Reporter: What did you say to Karl before those free throws?
Pipen: Oh, I told him the mailman don't deliver on Sundays.
Pivotal moment in my life learning how to be a straight up savage with words.
@AnEn we get it you're a jazz fan
@AnEn he had the right to be mad at jackson not giving him that play when he was the man during that season lol. 2nd fiddle yes, he accepted that role when jordan was there and look how he got those shiny 6 rings on a 2 three peat while others so called "greats" don't even have one lmao.
@AnEn Malone had Stockton, when Jordan left Pippen didn't have anyone. He had a budding Toni Kukoc but realistically he didn't have anyone and the Bulls only dropped a couple of games. Pippen accomplished a lot for someone who had just been given the reigns out of the blue, he led the team in every statistical category and finished 3rd in MVP voting and one bad call away from potentially making the finals. Sounds good to me.
Or be like Mike and ignore clever and just bluntly attack a man like 23 did to muggsy bougs . Wrecked his career with 5 words ,muggsy was never the same .
@@ralx225b Pippen lost in semi finals not the conference finals.
Jazz fan here. “There’s no shame in how things turned out.” Yes, there is. The Jazz blew SO many opportunities.
It’s really unbelievable how the Jazz lost so many opportunities in very close decisive games throughout the years. He forgot to mention that series against the Blazers in 99, when the Jazz barely lost game 2 with Stockton having a layup that went in and out. In my opinion, 99 was the year for the Jazz to win the title, but they let Chris Morris and Antoine Carr leave.
Nicely done!!! like watching a paid documentary but even better
had me at the edge of my sit through the whole thing.
Karl Malone and John Stockton what legends!!!
especially Stockton, some assist and steal records that will never be broken.
Yeah, your suggestion was better than you tube's :)
thumbs up!!!
"Why didn't Karl Malone and John Stockton win a ring"
Michael Jordan: Allow me to introduce myself
Goes for pretty much every 90s star other than Hakeem and drexler
Exactly what I was thinking. Lol
@@YoungOddo yup only 4 teams won champions in the 90s,
Karl Malone: Allow me to shoot a Free Throws...
Yea this is 25 minutes worth of nothing. Michael Jordan is the answer. Save yourself some time here people lol
Man the Reggie Miller Pacer's one is gonna break my heart.
One of my all-time favorite players😩
@Aronjo I watched many a game between Jordan and Reggie. Reggie disrupted the Bulls. Never had the team like Michael did. Once Scottie established himself on that team everybody knew it was over. Reggie was (and probably still is) a stellar player and shooter. Very frustrating single opponent.
I'm already in my feelings just thinking about it 😥
@Jeff Pryce Secret Nation guys (& Clara) should read your comment for ideas on Reggie's untitled.
@Jeff Pryce reggie last season was 2005 but yea he didnt have enough help to win a championship
Malone: "What are you thinking?"
Also Malone: *shoots 3-8 from the line*
MJ.
@@korda5471 Your Mom.
@@bruhyougottachill6665 that dosent make sense you 3rd grader
@@korda5471 ok lol LeBum fan
When was I a LeBum fan? I’m just messing around going to different comments saying the reason they didn’t win a title was from MJ.
I HATED these guys when I was a kid because they destroyed my Lakers in the '97 and '98 playoffs. But, now I respect and appreciate them for being so good.
With the Coronavirus postponing the 2019-2020 season, I have been absolutely hooked on these videos. They found me at a perfect time. I didn't think I would miss basketball this much.
Same man. Watching this is better than watching the news right now lol
I hear ya. Makes me thankful for the Raptors winning last year. These two giants couldn't put one season together and get it done,It shows how hard you have to play and u need a little luck on your side
@@splyce9712 truth
Yep, I’ve been binging on MJ, Nash, Bird, and even Bill Laimbeer videos.
We all miss real Basketball. It was a great Era. Legends vs Legends. Future Hall of Famers.
Now, I want a That's Weird episode on Karl Malone and Dennis Rodman's match at Bash At The Beach 1998.
James Cobb hell yes
"Why Stockton and Malone never won a title?"
Short answer: Jordan
Long answer: Michael Jordan
Hahaha! Exactly.
You mispelled David Stern and Tim Donaghy.
you stole this comment
Longer answer: I didn’t watch the video. You think Jordan beating the Jazz twice was the reason they didn’t win out of 18 tries.
@@contrnsmagnificndjoobngtaint I swear to God I didnt
I think that their basic problem is that they just weren’t quite good enough. Most of the time they were good for about 55 wins and third to fifth rank in a very deep Western Conference, and while they theoretically could have broken through and won it one of those years, the odds weren’t in their favour. When they got up to 60 plus wins and became more of a true championship calibre team they fell to an historically great Bulls team, in back to back 6 game series.
I don't think a difference of 4-5 regular season wins makes you a legitimate contender lol.
Short answer: Michael Jordan.
Long answer: ["Sirius" by The Alan Parsons Project starts playing] *And now, the starting lineup for your world champion Chicago Bulls!*
wanderlustwarrior 😂✊🏼
Correct answer, sir. MJ.
You can add "The Dream" to that answer....
LOL bulls has a better team outside of each teams 2 superstars
Francisco Rendon don’t forget hakeem the dream. Most underrated player in history. Definitely one of top 10 greatest players ever
Gosh, and I thought being a Clippers fan during the CP3, Blake Griffin era was tough. Feel bad for the Jazz.
I don`t think a ring would have made them any more famous or legendary than they already are. I mean every team in this video had MVP or a couple HOF players.... Incredible era.
I'm a Jazz fan. Even though they'll kick you in the balls over and over again, I still love my team. Hopefully Mitchell and Gobert are finally the guys to do it....
They were always competitive. Only one team can win. Those West playoff series were always a battle. Fun times.
Turk it would of alter Jordan’s legacy greatly
The thunder got it the worst
Comment section: “MJ is the reason!”
Reality: MJ doesn’t even enter the picture until the final five minutes of this 25 minute video.
Justin Pruett your point?
Even if Utah made it to the finals they could not have won against the Bulls
Ethan Fernandez It was very close both times they did play them. Don’t act like the Bulls were some unbeatable force.
Right! They had difficulty getting out of the West
khpitbos17 ese did not watch the Bulls
Those all purple jazz jerseys are gorgeous
I remembered when Scottie Pippen whispered a somewhat famous quote to Karl Malone in Game one of the '97 NBA Finals:
"The Mailman doesn't deliver on Sundays..."
And he bricked both free throws.
Best trash talk ever
He also did that trashtalk in game 4 but Malone made both freethrows to put the jazz up 3 with 20 seconds left
Their problem was facing the Lakers in the 80s and then going through a competitive west in the 90s all just to lose to MJ and the Bulls.
their problem is they were kinda overrated...malone was a multi-tier scumbag and a chokeartist who didnt have great post moves for a PF...be 1 thing if itd just been the showtime Lakers keeping them outta the finals during the 80s but that was really only 1 postseason series if memory serves, and the east was the tougher conference during the 80s as well as during most of the 90s....They didnt spend decades losing annually in the playoffs to Magic Johnson or Hakeem Olajuwons teams...They couldnt get to the finals until all the WC teams ahead of them, all of whom except for Houston and the showtime Lakers werent good enough to ever win the championship, declined. Meanwhile they werent able to even extend either of those 2 finals series against the Bulls to 7 games, whereas Reggie Millers Pacers did so in the 1998 ECF 1 rd b4 the Bulls beat the Jazz in 6 games...The Knicks also managed to take the Bulls to a 7th game in 92...The issue with the Jazz was they werent ever that great, and by the time they were in the finals none of their best players were in their primes anymore at all.
@@dp233332 they were the 3rd best west team in the 90s behind the rockets and spurs. They would have 2 rings if it wasnt for Jordan. Get your head out of your ass.
@@brentw0681 Not really. The East was stacked and significantly better than the West at the time. The Pacers and the Heat alone would have proven to be a huge challenge for the Jazz. In reality what let the Jazz done both times against the Bulls was the lack of scoring outside of Karl Malone. Stockton passed the ball way too much instead of focusing on scoring more. Passing was pretty much all he had to his game which therefore made the Jazz offense incredibly predictable. Just watch Rusty Buckets video on why Stockton is the most overrated player of all time and couldn't truly contribute enough to a Championship winning team.
@@taliamason7986 So stupid lmao, Every 3 out of the 4 years the Bulls didn't win in the 90s, the West won. Not to mention the Pacers were the only consistent runner-up.
@@brentw0681 Hakeem was the only reason the West finally ended their losing run in the Finals.
"This little era, the beginning of the mountain jerseys, was probably " peak" Jazz".
CLASSIC SETH!!
I noticed that pun as well.
This dudes storytelling is insane
New Beef history idea : John Stockton vs Scientific evidence.
Sucks to see it happen. These past couple of days have been a whirlwind in the nba
@@CUBSfan7364 I always thought he was a good and smart dude. Thanks for shattering that illusion john :(
I'd like to personally thank Michael Jordan someday for not letting him and malone win a ring
He a Covid denier or something?
@@SmoothCriminal12 antivaxxer
Huge, life-long Jazz fan. Lived through everything in this video. So close. So often. Very nicely done. Congrats!
Real fan atleast respect
If you dont do Allen Iverson, I will eat my chair right here right now
Same here
Iverson had one successful season and he wanted to win it all, all by himself. Problem was, Kobe and Shaq were not going to lose to one man.
THE END
Don't do Allen Iverson. Let him eat his chair. Then do Allen Iverson.
What if the Sixers won the lottery on 97 and pick Tim Duncan? The duo of Tim and AI is scary to imagine
Before you eat your chair, pour some hot sauce on it first. 😂😂😂😂
Untitled: Reggie Miller
K.I.D. Cray-z agreed. Good choice
They already did that one it's called "The Malice at the Palace needs a deep rewind"
I feel like theres millions of candidates for late 90's "ran into Michael Jordan" mega stars haha
@@chunkz1187 that's rewind, not untitled
@@AbdFattah yeah and it cost the Pacers the title hence the joke....
One correction: @17:53 "Stockton overthrew an entry to Malone..."
It was Hornacek making the pass.
Beef History: Karl Malone vs Paternity Tests
He's FAR from the only one. Julius Erving, Shawn Kemp, Larry Johnson, Scottie Pippen. Mailman has nothing on them!
Antonio Cromartie vs Condoms
Kemp never disputes his paternity tests
I remember the Jazz vs Sonics series when the crowd got into Malones's head by screaming "10, 9, 8,...." when he was shooting free throws. 90's NBA was the best.
I don't know if they got into Malone's head or his mechanics were simply off.
Consider: he shot an uncharacteristically low 58% from the line during the entire 1996 playoffs.
It's interesting when a guy's accuracy just drops out of the blue, then returns to normal the next season (75-78%).
Those freethrow attempt was long
The Bulls fans were counting in the Finals too when Malone was at the line, haha. He always took more than 10 seconds. His problem was obvious and can be seen clearly even in this video: for some unknown reason his free throws are like fadeaways; he's always falling backwards when he shoots them.
No doubt
Voodoo Vegetable bad mechanics. But you’d think his coaches would’ve fixed it
Karl "Whats Consent?" Malone has more problems then just nba championships
Kobe route?
@@kostajovanovic3711 bruh
@@kostajovanovic3711 Kobe has weak allegations, Malone has a goddamn child he made with a slightly older child
MJ.
@@deaconblackfire2896 yep
I am 56, this year. Is everyone watching Secret Base vids about the NBA the same age, or older?
Akeem in Houston, Barkley, Drexler, Kemp, Ewing,and of course Celtics, Lakers, and Bulls...
Jeez. So many great games which I have forgotten. Stockton and Malone were sublime. I'm going to YT full games for the rest of the day.
Their run was like the Spurs two decades of playoff runs except they never won a chip.
The spurs won a championship in each of the last three decades, are you trolling?
@@13jumpball13 dude obviously i was referring to the Jazz not winning a title.
i said "EXCEPT" meaning jazz are like the Spurs EXCEPT not winning a championship.
you dnt do reading comprehension, do you?
Enthusiastic Zestful Villainy try using a little punctuation next time and maybe you’ll get your point across better. Sorry someone pissed in your Cheerios this morning, anonymous plankton account
@@13jumpball13 It was very easy to understand the point. You missed it. That's your fault.
Drew B. Sweet mirror pic drew
I was literally thinking yesterday when watching the Charles Barkley one that these two would be perfect for this show, good stuff SBNation.
everyone saying "sHoRt AnSwEr: jOrDan" but it was only 2 years that he stopped them drexler, hakeem, payton, kemp had just as much of an impact.
Yeah well if u didn’t realize the teams that beat them more times than not jordan spanked that team🤣
lol but they eventually hurdled all those obstacle and made it to the finals, clearly it's not the reason alone. if they made it to 91- 93 finals they would still be smashed. just like how MJ smashed those guys.. except hakeem.
6 rings
@umar b we all watched the vid, problem is... We watched the the live version already. Lol and we know what you apparently don't... Didn't matter what happened in the west then.... U were going to get beat by the bulls 91-93 and 96-98. So we're not a cult and we're not idiots or imbeciles. We just had the best team of the era led by the best player of all time. P.s. mic drop....
Lol. Jordan won 6 out of 10 times in the 90's and it should have been 8 if he didnt decide to play baseball and we all know that. Jordan.......and Pippen are the reason. Anything else is conjecture.
I remember Isiah talking about the main reason Utah never won, he said it was Karl’s free throw shooting. I never understood until I thought about how many games, specifically playoff games, that could have been won due to Karl making his free throws in the last minutes and seconds of their games.
Look at their centers. They were like West and Baylor in the 60's. Sloan was a great match for them. Tough as nails.
I remember how loud Key Arena was, in both the 93 first round series, and the 96 WCF series... Game 7 was the loudest game, I have ever witnessed, at the Key!
I miss the Supersonics, so much... :-(
you are lucky bro. i am 19 and only remember the KD season :(
sonics was my team facing the bulls haha (Schrempf,Kemp and Payton) good trio, rodman killed them in this series tho. but never liked the jazz and well pip was always my guy, so was rooting for the bulls in those series.
@@metalsadman my dad always says that if mcmillan and payton were 100% they could have won the series haha
FynalZ0ne Payton wasn’t at 100%? News to me, I witnessed the series live in front of the tv, McMillan was injured yes, but Payton? Nope.
@@cheef825 If Mac10 had been fully healthy, Seattle would've won the series... His back was in real bad shape, the last half of the 95-96 season, and it was during the Finals games where Mac got those shots in his back, just so he could play a few mins... Mr. Sonic was one of my very favorite players! One of the most tenacious defenders, to ever wear the green and gold!
My best memory of Stockton is when he hit a game winning 3 vs the Rockets, that sent them to the finals.
Literally my only memory of my team from the 90's. I was 5 at the time. My family was losing their minds as we watched in our basement!
When he hit that shot, I jumped up off my sofa so hard I hit my head and put a hole in the ceiling. Cost me my cleaning deposit when I moved out of the apartment.
This is an excellent video - and Karl/John a fantastic duo. It's not a coincidence if they never won a title in 18 years, they know it too.
When y’all make the CP3 episode I’m gonna cry...
😭
:((
He probably will too😂
Him and Steve Nash were the two best pure point guards of the last 20 years.
I mean CP3 could still win a championship if he leaves Phoenix in FA to go to the Lakers, Clippers, 76ers or Heat, he fits in great there. Hell, even possible if he decides to go to Denver. CP3, Murray, Aaron Gordon, MPJ, Jokic sounds like a terrifying starting 5. So much scoring and playmaking on that team. I'm not a Denver fan but I hope he goes there in FA and wins a chip with them. Phoenix is a young and talented team but CP3 is too old to be trying to win a championship with them when this will be their first playoff appearance since 2010. Time is ticking for him to get his ring.
Someone should do "the creation of SB nation deserves a deep rewind"
Just here to find out when they're doing a Dan Marino untitled
Not gonna lie. I thought "Michael Jordan and missed free throws". Now I know it's "Eddie Johnson and missed free throws." Thanks, UA-cam algo!
17:53 - That was Jeff Hornacek who "overthrew an entry into Malone" not Stockton.
Yeap, my bad. -Seth
Wasn't overthrown...it went through Malone's hand.
A tough as nails Western Conference and, of course, the Bulls.
in 1997 pat riley was coach of the year glen rice was the all star mvp karl malone was the season mvp and michael jordan was finals mvp
I love hakeem olajuwon almost as much as kareem abdul-jabbar wilt chamberlain and bill russell
The agony of defeat was exquisite. How I regretted being emotionally invested in those last two runs against the Bulls.
When you're truly great a championship would have been just icing on the cake since there has to be a champion every year.
so, basically, malone was a choke artist in the last 10 years and stockton in the first 10
... lmmfao ... Pretty much so ...
Exactly that's why their overrated. Their stats were great but couldn't get it done when it counted. Even in 98 Stockton missed that 3.. If he did we wouldn't be talking about Jordans last shot.
Harper got a finger on that shot. The 3 before to put Utah up 3 he hit. Watch game 6 against Houston and game 4 1997 finals the end both games. Stockton was clutch. His assists and steals records will never be broken. He is the 2nd greatest of ever.
paul b Thomas > Stockton
@@RushAnthem69 Asinine
The Jazz are the Vikings of the NBA. Usually good, often great, never champions
I'm a Jazz and a Vikings fan😂😬.
Thank God the Bills exist it made being a Viking fan enjoyable.
I'm stealing that 1.....lmao
That is hilariously false 😂
@@iliketohearmenmoaning not really
Also, Stockton is apparently a vampire who does not age.
He goes into cryo in the offseason. HAHA
He was always aged so he never looked like he aged.
@@cjinl2428 He always reminded me of the father from Full House.. Danny Tanner..
He starred as Kenan’s boss at the grocery store in “Kenan and Kel” too
@@ChenKhanwei Exactly. Stockton looked 35 when he was 22, lol.
When you say 18 seasons, that surprised me a lot. Like the Spurs 5 chip dynasty made the playoffs over 20 years under Pop. So, Utah is simply snake-bitten
We still love Stockton and Malone. Thank you for the amazing history you gave the Utah Jazz
They ran into good teams with equally legendary players. It just wasn't in the cards for them. It happens
"these two were the greatest to never do it"! Man! I grew up during the 90's and you knew who they were and were always in contention. Stockton and Malon!
U should list the background music used in the video in the description! I especially liked the music that’s playing in 16:42
This video includes Kevin Duckworth, therefore this is a fantastic video.
Also Stockton and Hornacek was a stellar backcourt.
Good. And along with Karl, not much else. Though Bryan Russell I felt could've been featured a bit more. Their roster was filled with too many pedestrian players. Adam Keefe, Greg Foster, Ostertag, Eisley, Shandon Anderson.
John & Karl had to do a lotta heavy lifting to get em as far as they did. Clyde Drexler points this out. They simply didn't have quality depth like Phoenix and Portland had to go against the Bulls.
can you guys please do one on Tony Gwynn? He was always considered the Wade Boggs of the National League. He had 15 all-star appearances, seven silver sluggers, five gold gloves, and tied Honus Wagner for the most NL batting titles, including his legendary season in 1994, in which he would have become the first player since Ted Williams in 1941 to achieve a .400 batting average. He also loved the city of San Diego so much, that he was willing to take less money just to stay in his adopted hometown. Despite all of this, he never won the world series, league MVP, and only appeared twice. With all the power and experience the Padres had during this time, I would like to know once and for all, what made Tony Gwynn "Untitled?"
Nobody cares about Nike
All the same reasons that Barry Bonds never won a World Series. Individual contributions in baseball are heavily limited. I'll paraphrase what Seth said about Bonds to talk about Gwynn, "You are limited to 1/9 of the at bats and can only field balls hit your way. Technically, Gwynn could have batted 1.000 his entire career and never won a game let alone a World Series if the rest of the bats or pitching don't perform"
Man, Remember Tony Gwyn I always wanted to see him on the Yankees
@Lil Curt Shut up kid!
Lil Curt
😂
@Lil Curt 🤡
My god seth is so good at setting the mood for these vids
@2:26 "Stockton became the fulltime point guard and the youngster led..."- John Stockton, my good sir, has in-fact never been a "youngster". John Stockton came out of his mother with full pit bush and a full man prairie on his chest. He then slapped the doctor and proceeded to flawlessly pass the bottle to the dumbfounded nurse who in turn filled it promptly. This was the first of many assists in his lifetime.
A rewinder of that nuggets upset over Seattle would be dope
Pretty sure they have an episode on that already.
@@Head_Turnah link?
How did you forget to mention Game 3 of the 98 Finals when the Bulls SMASHED the Jazz by a Finals record 42 POINTS.
I think that that was the only game in those 2 years of the Bulls vs Jazz Finals that there was a blowout game. Practically every game used to come down to the last play to be decided.
Ananias Andrada nah I think Utah got blown out once each series vs the bulls and I remember thinking it was such bs the bills were underdogs in 98
just thisguy you have to remember that the Jazz had homecourt advantage and had swept the Lakers in the western finals while the Bulls barely beat the Pacers in a 7 game series. That’s why many people thought the Jazz would win that year, but I don’t think the bulls were taken as underdogs, it was very close between the two teams.
Malone after that game. "We just got waxed tonight, as a whole."
@@luke83rj I just checked. In 97 the Bulls won game 2 by 12, then Utah won game 3 by 11. Besides those 2 games and the 42 point slaughter, every other game was won by 5 points or less.
As a Jazz Fan, looking back at those 90’s years makes my heart hurt
I am fitty years young and the NBA was so amazing during the 80’s and 90’s I never their would get washed down the way it has,then again all sports have changed.
History appreciates players' loyalty to a team and the legacy they leave behind more than what players think. Professionals today put so much on the benefits of winning a ring. Winning a ring is amazing, but the way in which you go to achieve it means so much more, win or lose. Malone and Stockton left a such an amazing impact at Utah. Anytime someone mentions the Jazz it cannot be done without saying something about Stockton and Malone. All without a championship! This proves that a title can be overrated. They are amazing players who did not diminish their name by going off somewhere else to win a championship (yes Karl Malone did, but 1 or 2 years at the end of a career aren't enough to really diminish their brand). I wish players today would be more concerned about being a franchise player with a retired number and HOF career than just leaving a team to go win a ring. I don't think players realize that the more they go from team to team in an attempt to win a title, the more they ruin their own legacy and how they will be remembered.
Rest In Peace Jerry Sloan 🐐
Grew up in Salt Lake during the 90s. This is painful to watch! Also Antoine "Big Dog" Carr was my favorite Jazzman.
Stockton is the most underrated Hall of Famer in history.
At best, people call him the greatest passer in history….which he is. However, a lot of people disagree with that FACT.
He is also a severely underrated scorer. That’s the case solely because he was the best team player in history too. Because of that, he followed every instruction his coach gave him…..which was, pass to Karl Malone.
Side note, the only reason he didn’t win a championship was…..Karl Malone (who was slightly overrated). Yes, he’s a HOFer. However, as this video laid out, he was also a terrible free throw shooter, and even more importantly, choked under pressure…especially in the playoffs.
Whenever Malone wasn’t looking at the underaged children in the crowd, he was a slightly overrated all-time great. (Sorry, but it has to be said whenever Malone’s name is mentioned).
People forget I think how good utah was. They wasn't over athletic but was so fundamental it was very hard to beat them! Great ball movement and shot selection.
“Other Malone for a different Jeff” x games writing
This needs to be a 30 for 30 how two of the absolute greatest of all time played together for 18 years and never won an nba championship boggles my mind
Cause the rest of the team was average at best. It's worse about the OKC Thunder: Durant, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka...
Honestly it's much more than that, sure the Bulls beat them twice when Stockton and Malone were well past their prime. What about all those disappointments during their prime? And why couldn't the franchise put a better team around them? Especially considering Stockton never demanded the money he was worth. (Look at Stockton's numbers during his prime from 88-93, they are rediculous)
@@gregfarley7884 Why did Olajuwon only make 2 Finals in the 90s?
Timing matters. If Malone and Stockton make it in 94 and 95, instead of 97 and 98, history would look at them very differently.
Same thing with Olajuwon.
@@keplerconcept5287 I just think it is more nuanced than that
Kepler Concept Olajuwon didn’t have a Stockton in his team tho. He had Clyde but he wasn’t in him prime
The western conference was insane they would end up getting beat up in the playoffs. By time whatever team got to the finals they weren't as fresh as a team like the Bulls that cruised through the eastern conference.
Before Malone missed those two free throws in game 1 of the 97 finals, Pippen told him “the mailman don’t deliver on Sunday”.
(The game was played on a Sunday of course).
Angel god ah ok. I thought it was Rodman. I knew one of them did.
The mailman delivered thuds. lol
I love your content. I can imagine it takes some time to make it. Might wanna start on a Harden and Westbrook variant of this already.
Michael Jordan: Wanna see me beat you in the finals....wanna see me do it again?
haha
@@steivene2hot915 And then Hakeem Olajuwon beating them in Western Conference playoff rounds.
Think you meant to say, "Wanna see me do it again, with a terrible case of the flu!?"
Joe McKim He was hungover. He didn’t magically get the flu for one day and then lose it by the next
David Myung He was hungover. He didn’t magically get the flu for one day and then lose it
The way you describe Kevin duckworth floater is nice
Basically: missed free throws , bad matchup, going cold is the short order of the jazz
Those 2 seasons that Houston won the title back to back Hakeem Olajuwan was unbelievable. Yes he was already great but those 2 seasons he upped his game to another universe. He had great quickness, footwork and moves underneath the basket but what made him unstoppable was when he worked on and perfected that turn around fall away jumper on the wings that he didn't have earlier in his career. Not only did Olajuwan win back to back MVP awards but he also won DPOY back to back.
Hakeem won 2 DPOY, MVP, and 2 FMVP between 93 and 95. I truly believe that even if Jordan hadn't retired the Rockets win back to back titles.
@@geordiejones5618 Yup, the Rockets were a league best 5-1 against the Bulls during Jordan's first 3-peat. They really did match up well against them. Hakeem would have averaged 40 on Cartwright.
Not back to back MVP. David Robinson won MVP in 95
MJ would be 6-2 if he stayed in the league.
@@geordiejones5618 sadly we'll never know
I was just talking about Karl Malone a few minutes ago and this video pops up..... coincidence??! I THINK YES
Your phone was listening....😬
“I think not!’
Josiah Thibodeaux 🤷♂️
Google is watching.....
Becareful my man
They listening 😬👀
Didnt think it took 25 minutes and 24 seconds to say "Michael Jordan" so I clicked.
😭😭😭😂😂🍿🎉🍾 facts me neither
@@bobbyvalentino6773 jesus this is was a lazy ass post.
antcantcook! 🤷🏾♂️
bobby Valentino I thought it was funny
@@ethang420
Thanks ethan 😃 👍
Stockton to Malone. what a combo.
I don't buy in to the Jordan mythos; so I really like how this video showed the reality of the situation and that History could easily have gone either way with the Jazz's finals appearances.