Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo went from "brothers" to beef
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo started as close friends. When Allen got traded to the Celtics, he became a mentor for the young Rondo, and that relationship was one of many elements that made that Boston team a champion in 2008.
But Ray Allen cares very much about controlling his own fate, and as Rondo's somewhat difficult personality emerged, so did some rumors of trades that involved not just him, but his friend Ray. That thorny connection caused a close friendship to devolve, sometimes with explosive results.
But what really turned this "brotherhood" into beef was Ray's departure in 2012 for the Miami Heat, the team that had twice prevented Boston from winning another title. Allen's "betrayal" alienated from all of his former teammates, a development that came back under scrutiny as the '08 Celtics started to get honors and commemorative ceremonies in recent years, then again when Allen released his autobiography.
This is a story about how any bond -- even one gilded with championship gold -- can be broken.
Written and produced by Seth Rosenthal
Directed by Jiazhen Zhang
Motion graphics by Phil Pasternak and Michael Das
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So y’all gonna act like we haven’t been waiting for an episode on Kobe and Shaq’s beef
This will be at least 3 hours long
Evanh Gueye-Oue Thats well documented
That beef has been heavily documented everywhere I don’t see them making a video about it since everyone already knows
I swear to god they did one of those a few years ago
This is gonna be a special episode of ever😂
beef history is the best series on youtube no lie
It's good yeah sure, but it's not pretty good.
@@Flealfy45nice
*Untitled
This is great but I'm starting to like untitled as well
U forgot to factor t series
Rondo: "To go with the enemy, that's unheard of in sports"
Kevin Durant: I'm gonna do what's called a pro-gamer move
*im gonna whats called a pro gamer move*
@@itscharapy231 my bad lol. I fixed it
Afnaan Syed 😂
I hate the Warriors but I can't blame KD for wanting to play for GSW at that time.
If he can get rings easier why not then
@@tornadotornado7250 Because it's a cheap and unfair way to get rings and even if and when you do get rings, it doesn't matter because your image and legacy is ruined forever
I love beef history but I am very miffed that Seth did not say "errrybody" at 10:10.
he's too white. i don't think he's physiologically capable of saying it. i think he actually tried.
oldfrend correct. I sprained my mouth
Very boomerish
*miffed*
Rondo: "I hate you, you joined LeBron"
Also Rondo: "Imma go join LeBron"
Lebron joined rondo
It wasn't that he joined LeBron, it was more so that he joined the heat who just beat them
Shawn Denmark also that the heat was considered their eastern conference rivals that formed specifically because the big 3 of that team were all individuals who couldn’t beat the Celtics before. Rondo playing with Lebron seemed more like rondo was brought as a veteran to mentor Lonzo who is now traded.
@@blackcrow9231 Just sayin lol. If they were such rivals, he would have joined another team and tried to beat him. Rondo was just petty that Ray Allen was smart enough to jump ship before the team went down hill. Mans was always cocky af. He thought he was the best player on the team when he was the third or fourth best.
Sterling Murray he was a bit cocky, but if you wanna be great you have to have that attitude. Lebron calls himself the best in the NBA even when he gets destroyed on defense. And Celtics and Miami were rivals, that’s why KG gave him the cold shoulder that time, because he went to the rival team. I believe he stated that reason when they had the reunion. Ray leaving was good for his career cause he saw another championship cause of it and his role in Boston was unstable, you don’t think the people in Boston would be mad at that move that not only did he go to the only team in the east beating them, but the team that had the best ring chances in the east with 3 superstars on it. This is the same reason fans hated KD, only difference, Allen already had a ring and was not a superstar unlike KD
Out of that whole team, Pierce was the only one who was willing to bury the hatchet and remain his friend. When something bad happens, you find out who your friends really are.
I don't like pierces basketball takes but his heart for the game and love for his teammates is unquestionable dude loves his brothers.
They say Ray was never really friends with any of them, and that he hung out with Doc and Ainge more than the players
Are you talking about the whole team or mainly the stars? I would think the role players would not hold such a grudge like posey
@@freddyes2242 He's talking about the stars...only two of the starters to be specific. Kendrick Perkins, Leon Powe, Eddie House, James Posey and Glen Davis have all come out over the years and basically said "it's water under the bridge, no hard feelings". The only ones who still hold a grudge are Rondo and KG...and KG has softened over the years. Rondo...not so much 😂
@@maxdurk4624Cool doesn't change the fact you won a title together time to stop acting like children but what would Rondo and KG know about that?
Rondo really plays whenever he feels like it 😂
Primetime Rondo is a top 10 PG all time
philly3610 prime rondo wasn’t top five in the league, let alone all time
@@mattc6779 cap
@@mattc6779 "Primetime" reading comprehension is key my guy
Matt C tf u talkin about? Ur seriously gonna say prime time rondo was NEVER top 5 in the league? Hahaha ur a clown
For me, Ray Allen and the so-called beefs he's had reflect badly on the other guy in every circumstance. Ray Allen was an amazing player and a model professional, the way he conducted himself and his business on and off the court was impeccable, and the people that he upset or beefed with lose my respect from having conflict with such a great player and man.
womp womp
Beefs I need:
- Kawhi vs the Spurs
- LeBron vs. Just for Men
- Jordan vs. Tailoring
Kawhi did us dirty. He put his health before the team. Parker was trying to motivate him and convince him to return asap but to no avail.
@@deondavis05712 honestly, i get him wanting to put his health before the team so that he doesn't end up like kobe (rip), hobbling around for a year or 2 & having to retire earlier than u should've... what i don't like about kawhi though was that he took offense to pop saying leonard wasn't the leader of the team because at the time he was injured. you can't be a leader if you aren't out there in the rotation with the rest of the team, so i get y pop said that. i'm all for him taking as much time as he needs to get healthy, but i'm not for him getting mad at pop for stating the truth. duncan, ginobili & parker all were more than fine with pop's methods & morals, so there's no reason for kawhi (who's nowhere near duncan's tenure, maybe not even tony or manu either) to pull that, especially when the entire team was being built around him.
@@tjfrye11 Kawhi a snake... only gets away with it because they beat a hobbled Warriors squad for a chip
KvnDWr if he stuck with the spurs he would be the one hobbling.
@@MaliKali-po9su nah, the reason he left the spurs (as far as ik) was because pop said he wasn't the leader of the team because at the time he was injured... i don't think they can *force* him to play
I met Ray Allen at a Heat game. Man talk about one of the nicest guys I have ever met. Thanks for that beautiful 3 for the Heat.
WE LIKE BEEF AND WE DON'T CARE WHO KNOWS
Kofie Why? Hey Kofie hows your day going?
Wow what a throwback
Vegans mad.
From shooting hoops, to the Super Bowl
nobody caught the reference of lonely island
Future beef:
Embid vs karl Anthony Towns.
Wiggins vs Consistency.
Beal vs wall.
Celtics vs kyrie Irving .
wiggins vs consistency LOL
Beal and Wall don't have beef.
@@FlashGamesForYou future beef
@@FlashGamesForYou They did. Wall is hurt now. That's why I said future...Wall comeback and after it being his team. Now it's Beal's the star of the team. Problem??!
Wiggins many many many issues have never been about consistency lol. he was pretty consistently terrible the last 2 years and he hasn't shown signs of inconsistency this year, not sure what your talking about
I smiled an evil smile when I saw this title.
But then I watched it.
This beef swings between hilarious to sadly overblown and unforgiving, and back and forth.
Someone should do "the creation of SB nation deserves a deep rewind"
Eric Silver did you know this channel was a call of duty trickshotting team a few years ago? They had members who went to FaZe,eRa. Etc...before fortnite was a thing
@@jayrockthegoat3786 seriously? 😅 Wow I actually really do want to see this now
u predicted the future
Its here now
Garnett has been one of my favorite players, but I'd side with Ray Allen (also one of my favorite players) just based on how Pierce, Rondo, and Garnett persist in acting like they won multiple championships with all the reunion stuff.
They act like they did something supremely unique with one championship.
Yeah 😂😂😂 that's 1 of the most over rated champion teams
Their next anniversary is not for another 7 years 😂 I’ve never seen a team celebrate ONE title like they won 10
In the NBA it’s a 5 and 10 schedule….this came out right after that “errrybody” comment
Honestly Ainge is to blame. Was shopping his stars with no notification to either. Besides him though, I blame Rondo.
I can't really blame rondo or Allen for this. If Danny Ainge wasn't so restless, that misunderstanding between Allen and Rondo wouldn't have happened and according to Ray Allen, that's where the beef started.
I feel opposite, it appears they both agree that they had serious beef but Rondo moved on whereas Ray he still feels sour. Him going to the heats ultimately brought another ring (btw he was clutch) but at the same time, he lost respect from his ex teammates and I dont think ray thought this thru. I do not blame Ainge, his job is to compete and he successfully accomplished that job and he simply had to prepare for the future as well. Without Ainge, Cs big 3 or 4 wouldve never won a ring.
@@jjcs9238 Yeah but he ruined a dynasty by being sneaky. When you have stars, especially champions you gotta talk to them.
@@jjcs9238 Was Allen joining the Heat a poor decision? At the time absolutely. But it wasn't the same as KD. The thunder traded for Victor Oladipo with the *SOUL PURPOSE* of taking the scoring weight off KD and Westbrook. The Thunder tried desperately to hold onto a player who *NEVER* brought them a championship. Whereas Danny Ainge used a Cornerstone of there '08 championship team as trade bait up until he became a free agent then signed a seasoned gunner (Jason Terry) just like Ray Allen. Management made it seem like Allen didn't have a role on the team. And while the Heat gave him less money, it was out of necessity, he also had a role on the Heat (case in point game 6 2013). In the same way he helped the heat, he helped the celtics. What's not fair is how they give Ray Allen the Benoit treatment.
Sean Blaze Allen made a right choice in his "Career" by joining the heats, his clutch 3s saved miami and lebrons legacy as well. Im not denying that. Obviously as fans we are not sure what happened between ray and rondo. But juat like the video shows everyone is getting along even rondo and doc is now seen together, time heals... except for Ray.
Allen was the man point blank....he was our Jordan on that run,thanks Ray Allen for the C’s ring...couldn’t have been done without you
This era of the Celtics is a pillar upon which Beef History videos can be built on for years. I hope one of these newer super team blows up as pettily as this one, we haven't had a true champion of post-explosion pettiness since the Fab Five!
Who's here after watching KG and Ray Allen hug it out after his jersey retirement?
Another thing that unifies these two great players in NBA history is that their 2nd ring came from two separate Lebron-led teams.
Next Brent Barry vs Tony Parker
😂😂😂
Nah Matt Barnes vs. Derek Fisher is better lol
Two worthy beef stories indeed.
LeBron James vs Delonte West. That would be hella cool
Embiid vs Towns is gonna be great
They say maturity does not come with all age and a lot of those Celtics players especially Rondo and Garnett are immature not to put things behind and let go of their indifferences with Ray Allen. If they were actually friends with Ray to begin with, they should have respected his decision to leave. After all said and done, all the money, fame and social status basketball had brought them are irrelevant when they are buried 6 feet underground within their fancy and shiny casket.
As a Celtics fan, I don't blame him for leaving. They'd tried to trade him multiple times, was not getting much playing time anymore and just wanted to get one more ring before retiring.
People say they were never really friends and that Ray hung out with Doc and Ainge more than the players
Please never stop making Beef Histories.
THIS IS WHAT IVE BEEN WAITING FOR!
^^^^^^
Michael jordan vs Charles Barkley
MAKE THIS PRIORITY NUMBER ONE
They were friend tho
Its not really a beef, cause everytime Barkley says something MJ doesn’t like. MJ responds with “but I got 6”
Man their wasn't beef, Charles just a glorified hater. He hates on errrbody who got rings.
Charles vs every ref
Both got rings with LeBron. Ironic🤣
Next episode: Peyton Manning vs a normal sized forehead
Dj KiddieKone lmao that beef ain’t never going away
Eli Manning vs anyone w/ IQ over 100
🤣🤣
HGH
@@atomknight8361 ???
Still makes me wonder the outcome of this beef since Ray, Paul Pierce, and KG hugged it out in the latter's jersey retirement in Boston. And I didn't see Rondo.
Crazy to think lebron got both of them another ring at different times.
By far the best series on UA-cam, so is Untitled too. KEEP IT UP!
You guys make awesome beef videos keep em up
Ray Allen was the best player on those Celtic teams #wildearth
I've seen Ray Allen's interviews, he seems like a class guy. He even referred to that Celtics team as the big 12, not just a big 3. Rondo and Garnett are still holding grudges. Rondo seemed young and immature.
Whose here after Allstar Weekend 2022
Teams Vs Players:
1. Raiders Vs Marcus Allen
2. Seahawks Vs Earl Thomas
3 Redskins Vs RGIII
4. Celtics Vs Isiah Thomas
5. Clippers Vs Blake Griffin
6. Timberwolves Vs Jimmy Butler
Carson Palmer vs. Bungles
Antonio brown vs rams
Antonio brown vs rams
Antonio brown vs Steelers
Antonio brown vs patriots
Antonio brown vs rams
Antonio brown vs Steelers
Antonio brown vs patriots
@@jeremiahkwenda9472 raiders, buddy.
It isn’t just Ray Allen and Rondo, it was Ray Allen and the whole ‘08 Celtics team
This needs an update after the KG jersey hanging ceremony. Great video as always, SB!
i would love to see one these about the general history around the Toronto Raptors, from the Vince Carter, Chris Bosh eras through to their championship.
Beef history is as an enjoyable as listening to people talk about the drama that went on while you weren’t at school for a week :) i love you guys
I remember the Celtics had to bench Rondo for House in the 4th quarter of the Finals because he was such a liability on offense. The Lakers would just leave him open daring him to shoot
"Rondo had to grow up fast." Did he? Has he?
Darth Smirnoff explain ....
Next Brent Barry vs Tony Parker
i still need a episode of BEEF with latrell sprewell vs everyone !!! ..oh yes it will happen it will ...
Episode?!? That's a 4-part series with deleted scenes and bonus features.
Latrell Sprewell vs PJ Carlesimo's neck?
I met Ray Allen in real life and he is one of the nicest guys I have ever met
Who’s here after KGs Jersey retirement? Seems like the beef with KG is squashed
Weve all been waiting for this
I can't believe the Celtics only won one championship with that roster. They were stacked to the hilt.
Age. They really had a 5 year span to win. 2008: Won. 2009: KG missed playoffs, lost to east champs Magic 2010: Lost game 7 of finals 2011: Lost to east champs Heat, 2013: Lost to east champs Heat in 7
Watching this just made me want to read Ray’s book.
Loved the video. Keep up the great work!
THIS SERIES NEED TO BE MORE POPULAR!!!!!! ITS SO GOOD
This series is so dope. And very well narrated highly entertaining.
Looks like the beef between KG and Ray Allen is squashed
Liked it before watching. I know this gonna be good af!!
Still watching 💪💪💪 March 3, 2022
Rajon Rondo 🔥🔥🔥
The 08 Celtics are the most overhyped championship winning team in recent history. People talk about them like they were the goddamn Warriors and won multiple titles. Ray was the smartest one. He jumped ship at the right time and got another ring
I see no lies
A 37 win Hawks team took them to 7 games. Then in the next round against Cleveland, LeBron was VERY inconsistent and that series still went to seven. For a championship team they had a lot of bad moments
@@fourtwenty1813 don’t they all
theyre hyped because of how they went from one of the worst teams in the league to the best within one offseason, how they overcame struggle in that playoff run, and how it was the first ring for kevin garnett after wasting the better end of his prime on the wolves. you don't have to be a dynasty to be a celebrated championship team, just ask the '04 pistons or '11 mavs
@@jacksonelh Do you see the Pistons or Mavs players constantly gloating about their championship tho? Both teams accomplished greater feats (beating the ShaKobe Lakers and Big 3 Heats) and still don't ride out that one championship nearly as much as the 08 Celtics.
Dude your making quarantine so tolerable more life❤️
Can y'all do an UnTitled on Karl Malone???
Carl Andrew Pavico or just the late 90s Jazz
@@bryantndongmo4780 Yeah, I mean why not? Hornacek & Stockton never won any championships as far as I know🤷🏽♂️
They did it guys
Karl Malone Vs Age of Consent or Karl Malone Vs Fatherhood
I don't even watch basketball and never have but these episodes are so addicting lol
Allen ending up going to Garnetts jersey retirement for the Celtics. That kinda officially ended the beef. Garnett said during his speech that it was good to see ray Allen their
The beef won’t be completely over until Rondo and Ray embrace 😂
Rondo: Ray, I wish I could quit you.
Ray: So do I.
*Few years later*
Rondo: YOU KNOW WHAT? I WAS FAKING IT!
Ray: SO DO I!
Rondo: MONSTER!
Stupid comment
wtf are you saying
Ovo Envy I think he means Rondo was the one who started it so ray wants a apology but rondo has too much pride to apologize. And that deep down they just want to be cool like they used to.
iamhungey12345 English?
iamhungey12345 hol up
You guys should do a Toronto History on how they got to where they went up to winning the finals
Its crazy how they played together and now its Rondo’s Lakers vs Allen’s Heat
Finally a new beef history
Ray allen is a gentleman. I have never seen him talking trash or picking on a player. He was all about the game.
This beef might have started with Rondo and allen simply left them.
who is back after garnett's jersey retirement
looking at it from both sides i'm going to have to say Rondo's head got a little too big too fast and it rubbed Allen the wrong way. then once Rondo found out he could control how many touches Allen get's a game, Allen felt like he had to leave because he didn't want to have to walk on egg shells and not say what he wanted to around Rondo in fear of not getting the ball enough during the game. even doc rivers admitted that rondo wasn't giving the ball to Allen when he should have. i mean how would you feel if your less experienced co-worker has almost complete control over how well you do at your job? i would have bounced too and forget anyone who doesn't understand that.
KG was super salty
He still is to do this day pathetic still hating on.Ray
For real.
why salty? just disappointed by an unloyal "friend". To KG it was more than just teammates. But even on a sports level only it's kinda weak to just join the rivals
Jeroni Mo same thing with KG, he left Minnesota and teamed up with three other all stars, he should be the last one talking about loyalty, he’s just salty he wasn’t as good as he thought he was
@@30h5tillimdeadMinessota was a little market team and celtics were awful until he came in
More BEEF please enough to make a BURGER.
Rondo:To go with the enemy is unheard of
KD: Hold Russ for me
This is the best series on this channel
Where's the clip of KG and Ray Allen in the huddle that clip perfectly explains Celtics vs Ray LMAO
This is sad as hell man. They basically mad he has one more ring than they do, bet him and Rondo men’s fences after this summer.
Rondo got too big for his boots whilst forgetting which guy helped make him who he is
Rondo is my favorite player and I agree he did get a little big for himself, but a lot of people do ignore the fact that he did a tremendous amount in their championship season.
Rondo was never that great vc he could never really shoot.
Deep Rewind on Kawhi Buzzer Beater or José Bautista Bat Flip HR?
The Bat flip would be awesome
Either would be great!
Kawhi buzzer beater could next year or if Kawhi gets traded and the rewind will bring it to memory. The bat flip is a better choice
This is such a toronto comment
Almost as large as when my Thai order went from Green Chicken Curry to Lemongrass Beef
I would've squared up with the delivery driver
This is tragic, this team taught me what it meant to be a team with your brothers
A young Chris Paul on the Celtics would have been lit.
maybe, maybe not... depends on how he meshes
The Rams vs. Chiefs Week 11 Game deserves to be a rewinder episode, as today is the One year anniversary of that spectacular game
If anyone can fix this it’s Pierce. Maybe at a HOF induction?
paul deserves hof
@@housesuns-kings8480 he will be a hof
@@young-blk-investor1059 really? good. he deserves to be in the hof
@@housesuns-kings8480 i think he is eligible next year
@@young-blk-investor1059 great
Seth is the best narrator of SB NATION... Very entertaining and informative....
Damn shame what happened... the 2008 finals was and still is probably my favorite NBA Finals of all time. I thought this team would certainly win a few more rings. :(
If KG didnt get hurt in 2009, they would have.
Didn’t know I needed these videos in my life .
Yes i've been waiting on a new episode of beef nation
This the reason Ray Allen didn’t shake Kg hand at the NBA 75 anniversary celebration
They might of only one one championship but they sure felt like a dynasty
U could easily say Ray definitely wasn’t getting paid what he was worth
Do beef history on the Boston Bruins vs Montreal Canadiens
That would be all time great
no cap beef history is the best series on youtube
You know, I could care less about professional basketball, but damn does it produce high quality beef...
As a lifelong Celtics fan I always supported ray going to Miami. I shouldn't say I hate that 2008 Celtics team but certainly my least favorite. Just a bunch of cocky old guys forming a super team and winning one lone ring out of it. Good for Ray getting the hell out of Boston.
Please do a beef history with Kobe Bryant and Shaq, I highly request it!!!🙏🙏🙏🙏
aznhoops 12 he already did
@@smarksvilleproductionstm3192 I know you mean the Rewind Video but an actual Beef History Video
I am more interested in the beef history between Shaq and Penny Hardaway, because their careers took vastly different trajectories since they split in '96
@@ivaneurope Agreed
I loved this episode. Great job SB
The fall of Boston's Big 3..
This and that 2012 Lebron ECF, KG injury in 2009 was a sad shame too.
Dusk TheHunter They win in 09 if KG doesn’t get hurt.
@@Ofallthings089 Yeah that's what I meant.
Kobe ended the Boston big 3
@@FAMIZ26 That's just false, the Celtics never worried or stopped, even when they lost to Pau Gasol and Kobe in 2010, until Lebron defeated them a second time, creating a repeat in crushing fashion and acquired Ray Allen.
rondo is so underrated. the fact that he’s about to be in an NBA finals after 12 years not being there and still is playing at the same level maybe better is amazing.
As much as I like Rondo he was no were near his prime in 2020, still amazing player come playoff time
RIP 2008 celtics 😥
Man this video is amazing 🤧🖤
Brothers 2 Beef sounds like a R&B group that went a little too far with "Brotherly Love" if you catch my drift
Ohhhh yeah been waiting on the next NBA edition of SB Nation content. And I was just thinking about this topic last night, nice coincidence.
Ray Allen and Kevin Durant in Seattle would've been filthy
Exchange the word filthy with grimey 🐍🐍both of them are snakes
@@kellyraesibayan6223 Only KD really
rae 420 umm did you read this comment this was way before they both went for ring
This was a good one. I like this guy and the one dude who wears his hat backwards the best.