I have been watching reviews on the new Rockshox suspension stuff all morning. I must say that this is the most in depth analysis of the the bunch. Thanks Doddy! 🤘
The Green Lyriks look nice, but they should have stuck with Red - that shouted 'Ultimate' whereas the Green shouts 'colour matching OEM' (and there are a lot of colours it won't match with). Really nice progression of internal tech here and the prices are still relatively sensible. I wonder what will happen to the Yari and Domain - they seem pretty redundant in the range now?
@@joec8899 the colour is irrelevant, it is the branding. Lyrik Ultimates have been branded red for a while...the Green just doesn't pop in the same way. The same could be said for the Grey Zebs, but they have stuck with that branding, so the message is consistent.
For racing ok,but it has to have its end because your skills wil be irelevant at some point so it will be pointless in sportly speaking.The next problem is the fact that most bikes are sold to recreative riders so with so much complications and high tech you will be chained to service like you drive F18 .Its also pointless.
@@sluzbazaorganizacijucentra4050 I actually find these damper improvements easier to understand in my mind in both potential tuning and service. The damper design while differant in forum from my motorsports dampers I'm more experienced with in function they operate the same. I have had a heck of a time tuning my mtb suspension due in part to adjustments not giving me intend results. My theory and belief in suspension is the coil or air spring should only hold you at your desired sag. From there the damper portion of the shock or fork should do the rest of the tuning. With all the current generation of suspension I have used damper adjustments are really just a suggestion on how you want things to change things but the only real change is in either coil weight, air pressure, and volume. Not ideal to me anyways.
@@sluzbazaorganizacijucentra4050 You really have no idea what the damper improvements mean, just say you don't understand it instead of blurting out a ton of random stuff that doesn't make sense.
I'm pleased they did a ground up design with no compromise even though I can not use the new parts on my fork , faster progress and a clear improvement. Now waiting on the Huck to flat video
What I love n this channel is that no one speaks down to you the information is delivered excellently you can feel the love/excitement for the bikes & tech
Awesome video. Super comprehensive, this is what makes GMBN Tech so good. This was great timing for me as I have been scouring the corners of the internet to find a Charger 2.1 damper to upgrade my Zeb. I will wait for the new one though now, it looks awesome. Also really interested in the new Super Delux air shocks. I really want to upgrade my Trek Rail rear shock. I dont want to go Fox and the standard RS Super Delux doesnt fit. I was about to pull the trigger on a Thru shaft version but these 2023 models look like they may have a smaller piggy back so I will hold off until I figure out it they fit. Any info on availability?
the zeb air spring looks like a normal air spring with a luftkappe on top from vorsprung. And it makes sense, bigger stanchions longer travel a bigger negative air spring with a volume spacer in the positive. Its good to see something from after market came to OEM, but fox had also a few years a go, a prototype air spring like this one, on a fox 40 but i think it might have been from Mojo.
I'm pretty intrigued by the hydraulic bottom out on the air shocks but given that it's "optional", how would you know if an aftermarket super deluxe model you are purchasing has that feature? I don't see it listed or even mentioned on any of the major retailers' websites.
The Zeb is the most revolutionary fork we've seen for a while. 190mm in a single crown opens up way more set ups. We've seen Semenuk run these at Rampage allowing him to throw bars, something we haven't really had before in freeride. These also bridge that last gap between enduro and downhill allowing us to build hard-core downhill bikes using enduro frames, great if you are an aggressive rider but can't afford two rigs. Even for pure downhill they offer an advantage by ditching a fair bit of weight and from high up too.
I love the green Lyrik, that is my favourite product for the year 2023. Paired with super deluxe ultimate coil with the new hydraulic bottom out would be a dream.
I'm very confused would the pike be a good upgrade for my nukeproof scout 290 which currently has fitted the Rock shox Recon silver RL 140mm ? I do majority of riding on this bike on forest/bike park trails but feel the current fork is lacking in some way !Please help
This is a fantastic video. The amount of tech that has come out since my 2014 Pike is mindblowing. I’ve done a few small updates like the Luftkappe and RC3 damper but I reckon these updates would make a huge difference in ride dynamic. Thanks Doddy!
Thank you Doddy and the GMBN team for the most comprehensive review yet of the new RockShox offerings! I can't wait for the comparison review video of the new RockShox vs. Fox equivalents!! (wink wink nod nod)
Pike Ultimate for my new frame. I'm really liking the increased bushing overlap. Thanks Doddy, for all the details. I don't need to watch any other reviews. Cheers!
Any new SID? Looking at getting a 120mm SID Select but waiting for an update as talking with many local shops, the first edition was having its share of warranty issues.
Rockshox or SRAM as a whole really are on the warpath in more recent years. The level of tech this company is producing is brilliant. Shimano and especially Fox really are simply riding on their brand names almost entirely at this point. I love SRAM and if they were to release a complete bike themselves tomorrow then i'd probably go and grab one.
The GRIP2 Damper also has an IFP System and I think it also has the oil bleeding holes. Though I find that I run compression pretty far open on the GRIP2 and it is a nice improvement from rock shox that they made the range of compression so useful. The buttercups are a very nice feature too but I wonder why it hasn't been around on other forks (than the flight attendents) yet because it's so simple.
Looks like this is admitting the c1 debonair airspring was wrong all along now that they have once again moved the piston seal relative to the equalisation port back to where it was on the b1 debonair airspring configuration!
Which one is more comfortable, 2023 Zeb due to butter cups (but stiffer) vs 2021 Lyric Ultimate (less stiff but no buttercups). Concern is hand/arm fatigue.
Of course they make my zeb better! I just put the rc2 damper in my 2021 fork. I have the select plus shock,, might have to upgrade to the new 2023 s.d. ultimate next year.
That pistachio lyrik definitely looked like the e-rated lyrik ultimate I used to have. Sold it coz I didn't like how I have to use an adapter to fit it on my regular headtube since it's super tapered
Id ride my yari ultimate and save money. Recession is coming at the nearest city near you!. There's already food shortages in my area. I'm sure people are noticing it too, high gas price, high food prices, and shortages on some necessities.
Would be interesting to compare the weight of a 170mm lyrik past Gen to a 170mm 2023 Zeb since 170mm travel is not an option on 35mm stanchion anymore. Really good in depth review by the way, good job.
great detailed video Doddy, thanks man! Love all the changes besides one - lyrik no longer being 170mm travel option? that will narrow down the choices for Zeb, Domain, or other brands for bike brands.... other than that, new tech looks really cool ^^
You had me untill I heard that none of those internal upgrades can be retro-fitted to older 35mm forks. I have a 2019 Lyric where the dampener needs a full strip down and considering how much that would cost from a fork tuning company, I am considering just replacing it with new instead. When I saw this video I thought that I could instead replace that dampener with the latest tech and get a performace upgrade, so now I am disapointed. @rockshox please treat your existing costomer right, and release versions of those imporved air springs and dampeners that will fit older forks.
Please do a video on the options for getting the best out of your fork if you don’t weight 70kg. Something beyond just tokens. What options are out there and what they can offer in performance. Paying a high price for something that needs modification and not just tuning to work properly is quite frustrating.
Great video, I really like this lineup but the variation in models can be confusing for us noobs to navigate! After feeling some heavy flexing on my rct3 pike yesterday I think the added stiffness would be worth the upgrade plus... plus wanting to stay at 150mm!
And Doddy puts it all back together at the end. And notices there is a spare washer and a weird looking clip thing. Maybe from the foofoo valve, or perhaps from the margarine-cup isolating valve. Or was it from the rear shock and not the fork? Oh well, never mind.
Of course just got my new bike rockshox lyrik 160mm ultimate and super deluxe ultimate 160mm and then it all changes lol but I love my suspension works amazing
A little off on the US prices im guessing you guys just did a currency converson based off of the pricing in pounds but the Zeb Ultimate for example is $1,159 😭
The podium fork Brandon Semenuk,Nicholi Rogatkin and Emil Johansson,Erik Fedko etc. use it wish it gets updated maybe lighter or stiffer or just better overall
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I have been watching reviews on the new Rockshox suspension stuff all morning. I must say that this is the most in depth analysis of the the bunch. Thanks Doddy! 🤘
Agreed
I can't agree more! Most in-depth and easiest to follow.
The Green Lyriks look nice, but they should have stuck with Red - that shouted 'Ultimate' whereas the Green shouts 'colour matching OEM' (and there are a lot of colours it won't match with). Really nice progression of internal tech here and the prices are still relatively sensible.
I wonder what will happen to the Yari and Domain - they seem pretty redundant in the range now?
Considering they (yari and domain) both were the same chassis of the lyrik and Zeb anyway this approach makes more sense.
@@clarkie005 yeah - an increase in perceived value if you have the better model names, even if the spec isn't there.
Yea the green is gonna look really good on some bikes and not so good on others lol
You could say the same about the red. I'd never put a red fork on my bike. Regardless of the color.
@@joec8899 the colour is irrelevant, it is the branding. Lyrik Ultimates have been branded red for a while...the Green just doesn't pop in the same way. The same could be said for the Grey Zebs, but they have stuck with that branding, so the message is consistent.
The breakdown and discussion of the damper unit is one of the most involved and well-informed technical reviews I've seen. Bravo Doddy!
The damper improvements are massive in my mind. Pretty much exactly what I have been wishing I had.
For racing ok,but it has to have its end because your skills wil be irelevant at some point so it will be pointless in sportly speaking.The next problem is the fact that most bikes are sold to recreative riders so with so much complications and high tech you will be chained to service like you drive F18 .Its also pointless.
@@sluzbazaorganizacijucentra4050 I actually find these damper improvements easier to understand in my mind in both potential tuning and service. The damper design while differant in forum from my motorsports dampers I'm more experienced with in function they operate the same. I have had a heck of a time tuning my mtb suspension due in part to adjustments not giving me intend results. My theory and belief in suspension is the coil or air spring should only hold you at your desired sag. From there the damper portion of the shock or fork should do the rest of the tuning. With all the current generation of suspension I have used damper adjustments are really just a suggestion on how you want things to change things but the only real change is in either coil weight, air pressure, and volume. Not ideal to me anyways.
@@sluzbazaorganizacijucentra4050 You really have no idea what the damper improvements mean, just say you don't understand it instead of blurting out a ton of random stuff that doesn't make sense.
I'm pleased they did a ground up design with no compromise even though I can not use the new parts on my fork , faster progress and a clear improvement. Now waiting on the Huck to flat video
If I'm getting a 140mm fork should I go for a Pike or a Lyrik? What's the difference in practice?
What I love n this channel is that no one speaks down to you the information is delivered excellently you can feel the love/excitement for the bikes & tech
Please dont say this is the end of lyric red?!?! The red looks so much better than that green
Nope
The green is beautiful!
Have to agree with you, boxer red is the way to go, going green is copying the 🦊 colour's
Green is fugly
Green looks cool
RIP the lyrik red colour scheme😭😭😭
Red was disgusting
Mine are 2021 BLACK!
Awesome video. Super comprehensive, this is what makes GMBN Tech so good. This was great timing for me as I have been scouring the corners of the internet to find a Charger 2.1 damper to upgrade my Zeb. I will wait for the new one though now, it looks awesome. Also really interested in the new Super Delux air shocks. I really want to upgrade my Trek Rail rear shock. I dont want to go Fox and the standard RS Super Delux doesnt fit. I was about to pull the trigger on a Thru shaft version but these 2023 models look like they may have a smaller piggy back so I will hold off until I figure out it they fit. Any info on availability?
Amazing video! Now I would like to watch the same content about Suspension Tech Explaining the Cross-country Forks!
Wow, world class production and information.
Jesus, did you have a RockShox engineer instructing you between takes? That was deep!
Dang RockShox should make the brushed metal finish available for all models!
Damn now my 2022 pike ultimate is outdated😔
Worse - it will stop working since the new generation is out.
Finally something new for gmbn. Nice video
Thanks very helpful. Do you know whether I can put the new parts in a 2022 Domain shock.
Are the rear shocks trunnion mounted pls
the zeb air spring looks like a normal air spring with a luftkappe on top from vorsprung. And it makes sense, bigger stanchions longer travel a bigger negative air spring with a volume spacer in the positive. Its good to see something from after market came to OEM, but fox had also a few years a go, a prototype air spring like this one, on a fox 40 but i think it might have been from Mojo.
I'm definitely getting one of those Lyrics in 2032!
I'm pretty intrigued by the hydraulic bottom out on the air shocks but given that it's "optional", how would you know if an aftermarket super deluxe model you are purchasing has that feature? I don't see it listed or even mentioned on any of the major retailers' websites.
The Zeb is the most revolutionary fork we've seen for a while. 190mm in a single crown opens up way more set ups. We've seen Semenuk run these at Rampage allowing him to throw bars, something we haven't really had before in freeride. These also bridge that last gap between enduro and downhill allowing us to build hard-core downhill bikes using enduro frames, great if you are an aggressive rider but can't afford two rigs. Even for pure downhill they offer an advantage by ditching a fair bit of weight and from high up too.
What is the Rockshox 35 forks is built for?
I love the green Lyrik, that is my favourite product for the year 2023. Paired with super deluxe ultimate coil with the new hydraulic bottom out would be a dream.
Can you upgrade to buttercups on the select plus? I got the sense like maybe no?
I'm very confused would the pike be a good upgrade for my nukeproof scout 290 which currently has fitted the Rock shox Recon silver RL 140mm ? I do majority of riding on this bike on forest/bike park trails but feel the current fork is lacking in some way !Please help
Those torque cap spacers are long overdue. The lining up of your axle on non-sram wheels in a RS fork was the worst part of having a RS fork.
This is a fantastic video. The amount of tech that has come out since my 2014 Pike is mindblowing. I’ve done a few small updates like the Luftkappe and RC3 damper but I reckon these updates would make a huge difference in ride dynamic. Thanks Doddy!
Brilliant breakdown video
Just ordered my 2023 Cube Fullsus and hyped for the Pike and Superdeluxe 🤩
Do you still need to open them up to be sure the air spring has the correct amount of grease and there is oil in the lowers?
This sounds like my fox34 😅
That green lyrik would match my 2020 nukeproof mega 275 expert beautifully 👌
Fantastic comparison and explanation of the technology. Keep up the great work, Doddy!
Thank you Doddy and the GMBN team for the most comprehensive review yet of the new RockShox offerings! I can't wait for the comparison review video of the new RockShox vs. Fox equivalents!! (wink wink nod nod)
amazing the amount oh technology involved in our suspension
great upload and interesting ta
Pike Ultimate for my new frame. I'm really liking the increased bushing overlap. Thanks Doddy, for all the details. I don't need to watch any other reviews. Cheers!
can you use the coil on bikes known to blow shocks i.e. stumpjumper evo?
Any new SID? Looking at getting a 120mm SID Select but waiting for an update as talking with many local shops, the first edition was having its share of warranty issues.
Rockshox or SRAM as a whole really are on the warpath in more recent years.
The level of tech this company is producing is brilliant. Shimano and especially Fox really are simply riding on their brand names almost entirely at this point.
I love SRAM and if they were to release a complete bike themselves tomorrow then i'd probably go and grab one.
Disagree about Shimmio, however it’s kinda stupid that they don’t have a 12 speed Di2
@@mtb4life817 would’ve thought they’d do something by now. So many people are switching to GX AXS
Such a good video again. Really love learning all this epic information from you. THANK YOU!!
Great overview of the new range. It would be interesting too to see the new maintenance schedule and what needs to be done compared to the old range.
No Boxxer red Lyrik?
Have to say you are so good at this now Doddy. Impressive.
The GRIP2 Damper also has an IFP System and I think it also has the oil bleeding holes. Though I find that I run compression pretty far open on the GRIP2 and it is a nice improvement from rock shox that they made the range of compression so useful. The buttercups are a very nice feature too but I wonder why it hasn't been around on other forks (than the flight attendents) yet because it's so simple.
Do the Threshold lockouts override the lockout on hard hits (ie if you leave the lockout on in err and do a drop off etc).
Looks like this is admitting the c1 debonair airspring was wrong all along now that they have once again moved the piston seal relative to the equalisation port back to where it was on the b1 debonair airspring configuration!
I'm still running the b1 damper on my bike
@@livefreeandshred9818 the b1 is better
Hey Doddy! Would you recommend this new Super Deluxe Ultimate coil with the bottom out adjustment, OR an Ohlins TTX22m.2 shock? :) thanks!
I have a more linear suspension design so I went with the rockshox with hydraulic bottom out adjustment
Are this changes also comming for DH forks?
Which one is more comfortable, 2023 Zeb due to butter cups (but stiffer) vs 2021 Lyric Ultimate (less stiff but no buttercups). Concern is hand/arm fatigue.
I’ve got the zeb 2021 charger r so I think I will be looking to fit the new debonair plus plus increasing the travel from 170-190 with the buttercups
Damn this is one hell of an overview.
Thanks, Kexin! Doddy did a great job explaining everything to do with the new RockShox lineup!
this hurts so bad having just gotten my new bike yesterday with a 2022 lyrik that does not support any updates :\
Any idea on when this line up is available in uk ?
When my suspension is ready for replacing I am going with the Lyrik ultimate and Superdelux ultimate combo
I’d love to have the pike on my spectral 125
Of course they make my zeb better! I just put the rc2 damper in my 2021 fork. I have the select plus shock,, might have to upgrade to the new 2023 s.d. ultimate next year.
how to fix chain rub on cassette i just replaced my chain and cassette and i hear noises coming out of the cassette how to fix it
Can we get converter kits to ‘upgrade’ lyric internals do we know? 🤔
Edit: oh…just seen the part in the vid where he tells us 😅
We just got out for a ride on the Pike Ultimates, after opening them up for a close inspection. Vid just went live.
That pistachio lyrik definitely looked like the e-rated lyrik ultimate I used to have. Sold it coz I didn't like how I have to use an adapter to fit it on my regular headtube since it's super tapered
Superb review, thanks Doddy.
Can I install that into my yari 2022
Id ride my yari ultimate and save money. Recession is coming at the nearest city near you!. There's already food shortages in my area. I'm sure people are noticing it too, high gas price, high food prices, and shortages on some necessities.
So the HSC now adjusts the amount of HS damping rather than just the threshold at which it opens up?
Wonderful video, well done 👍
Doddy. Are the pressure relief valves mean to avoid "cavitation" in the forks oil/air reservoir? Or am I way off? Cheers!
Would be interesting to compare the weight of a 170mm lyrik past Gen to a 170mm 2023 Zeb since 170mm travel is not an option on 35mm stanchion anymore.
Really good in depth review by the way, good job.
There was a big difference the last I checked like 250g I wonder if the new zeb is any lighter.
I think its somewhere around 350grams
2/3 of a pound increase, ouch.
great detailed video Doddy, thanks man!
Love all the changes besides one - lyrik no longer being 170mm travel option? that will narrow down the choices for Zeb, Domain, or other brands for bike brands....
other than that, new tech looks really cool ^^
The new arch design looks cool
That silver pike looks awesome. It would fit neetly on my titanium hardtail but £1000 is a bit too much for a fork.
Do i get this right?Can i upgrade the internals of a 2021 Zeb Ultimate with the 2023 stuff?😮
Only air apring
You had me untill I heard that none of those internal upgrades can be retro-fitted to older 35mm forks. I have a 2019 Lyric where the dampener needs a full strip down and considering how much that would cost from a fork tuning company, I am considering just replacing it with new instead. When I saw this video I thought that I could instead replace that dampener with the latest tech and get a performace upgrade, so now I am disapointed. @rockshox please treat your existing costomer right, and release versions of those imporved air springs and dampeners that will fit older forks.
That's how capitalism works.
Do you think that buttercup system could have been backwards-compatible? I dunno from fork internals, just asking.
Okay. Then just don’t buy their new stuff and stay in the past with your old fork. Can’t be cheap and want the world
Awesome video Doddy.
Thanks, James! Glad you enjoyed! 🙌
Please do a video on the options for getting the best out of your fork if you don’t weight 70kg. Something beyond just tokens. What options are out there and what they can offer in performance. Paying a high price for something that needs modification and not just tuning to work properly is quite frustrating.
I really hope that they managed to solve problem of knocking sound in rear shocks
Great video, I really like this lineup but the variation in models can be confusing for us noobs to navigate! After feeling some heavy flexing on my rct3 pike yesterday I think the added stiffness would be worth the upgrade plus... plus wanting to stay at 150mm!
I would go for the Pike... But this puts me in thinking mode again... I was thinking about a Fox 34 SC but the Pike sounds nice...
I think the Pike is more comparable to a Fox 36 than the 34
Love the video from u guys... cheers guys.
Welcome to Dotties school of knowledge
so it took only about 10 years for RS to understand they have to make more precise and better quality pieces ? to improve damping.... AMAZING !
#AskGMBNTech I was wondering, you can get 1.5” steerers or 1.8”. What’s the difference how do I make sure I don’t get the wrong one?
Have you heard anything about EXT Aria air shock?
And Doddy puts it all back together at the end. And notices there is a spare washer and a weird looking clip thing. Maybe from the foofoo valve, or perhaps from the margarine-cup isolating valve. Or was it from the rear shock and not the fork? Oh well, never mind.
The detailed video made me understand that I want the “buttercups” but I can’t afford that top end fork
Anna stick too riding and fittness and doddy you carryon with everything else cheers nice one guys
Are your exchange rates wrong? or are they fundamentally cheaper to buy in the USA?
What about the pikes Dj 26in wheels
Good job loads of people will be able to afford them isn't it !!
Wonder if ebikes were in mind 🤔 hbo big drops and or more weight??
Innovation is always cool but I'm having trouble believing that the buttercups will mute out any vibrations that your massive rubber tier didn't 😅.
#AskGMBNtec in addition to the cost of the coil option there will also be spring cost, right ❓
Cuantas libras soporta la bicicleta?
Of course just got my new bike rockshox lyrik 160mm ultimate and super deluxe ultimate 160mm and then it all changes lol but I love my suspension works amazing
Awesome video and really detailed info about RockShox technology.Mine is an older RockShox Reba Race and it's still really smooth.Safe riding.💯💯👌
Wow doddy!
Wow I'm still running a yellow Judy guess things have changed lol
Going back in time
A little off on the US prices im guessing you guys just did a currency converson based off of the pricing in pounds but the Zeb Ultimate for example is $1,159 😭
New Pike so does that mean new Pike DJ in future? Planing to build a Dirtjumper and with the updated Pike that makes me think before I buy
Only time will tell! We'd like to think so.
The podium fork Brandon Semenuk,Nicholi Rogatkin and Emil Johansson,Erik Fedko etc. use it wish it gets updated maybe lighter or stiffer or just better overall
Wish they’d fatten up the shaft on the coil shocks to make them yoke compatible…