I do not even own a TV set 🤣 However, I wish RS sold Deluxe Coil to private customers. I'd install that one in my bike, which has a bit tight space in front triangle. Cannot fit a decent size bottle and a piggyback shock.
I think fox has a serious problem now. They are harder to set up, way more expensive and more difficult to service. I def. know what my next shock will be
@@BasicBodThor well yes it is an option comparing to the old RS but if you watched the vid. RS just made a huge Upgrade and now has almost as many stettings as the fox shocks but ist way cheaper.
@@User-re9so the new top of the line rs is probably even better performance wise in some aspects compared to fox's top of the line. So no more fox is better/smoother? But the silence and the price already makes rs way better in my opinion.
@@merijn639 I‘m not saying RS is working smoother but I think most people out there aren’t able to get the max out of there fox because there so hard to set up. I assume the new RS will work better than the fox for most people
@@User-re9so no I agree its probably not better over all, but fox isn't either. But you're right, rs will probably better for most people because of the setup.
Their next version will be the Epic Ultra Magnificent Heroic Deluxe. Seriously, someone at the naming department at RockShox is not pulling their weight.
I agree, as someone new to riding trying to figure out which version is which is mind numbing and making the shopping process dreadful. It's hard for me to determine what I want
HBO and progressive can, perfect for Ibis Ripmo and Transition Sentinel riders who weigh more than a twig and don't want to run a cascade link, as both are notorious for being a tad too linear out back.
Dear @TheLostCo - Thanks for all your Vids - you guys are doing a great job. Nevertheless, is there a Video about the Set Up? I’m struggling a little with finding the right adjustments
Give us a call or hop in the live chat to get help with the set up! We also made a video specifically about the Super Deluxe Coil that goes over how I set the shock up for my bike! -Tor 😎
The "older" Super Deluxe prices are going down tho, and you already have proven tuning options like Vorsprung Tractive which has all the kinks worked out (and i'm sure the new SD is not gonna be kink free). So the older Super Deluxe is still a solid option IMO. The coil with the HBO is pretty killer tho if that's what you want.
You can look out at GMBN tech overview of the new lineup, more in-depth than mike did, but no, newer shock aren't compatible with megneg or older volume spacers
I couldn't find one of these in stock, and it was still $600... I spent $329 on a lesser Fox for the time being (which is still a big improvement over the bargain-basement Rockshox the bike came with), but I will be upgrading to one of these probably within the year.
@The Lost Co. - first time caller, long time listener. Question - the Fox Float X is said to have a poppy feel (likely due to its small air volume) and the Fox Float X2 is said to have a stable, less-poppy feel (likely due to its large air volume); where does the Super Deluxe Air fit on that spectrum and how will the new linear and progressive air cans move it along that spectrum?
Poppy on one bike, dead on the next. Poppy with a good setup, dead on a bad setup. Shocks behave differently depending on their tune and what frame they are on, then of course the setup.
Hey Dave! Those are both great shocks and would both work well for a heavier guy as long as you have a coil that's heavy enough for you. I've spent time on both shocks and they are my two favorite rear shocks I've ridden. The Push shock will offer more adjustments than the Rockshox Super Deluxe Coil, so if you're a notorious tinkerer then that could be for you! Or if you're more into the simplicity of the RockShox Shock then that could be for you. Both would be great options on that frame so it comes down to personal preference! -Tor 😎
@@TheLostCo thanks so much for quick reply, after looking into them more I’ve decided to go with the rock shox and has a big savings to boot 👍🇨🇦. Have the fox x2 on my arrival now, look forward to seeing the difference the coil will make 💯
Can you slap these shocks on any bike? Or do you need to keep the stock shock with that “specific tune” or can you “specific tune” this shock to meet the requirements of your bike?
For the most part you can pretty much put these on any bike. I put the Super deluxe coil on my bike which wasn't necessarily designed for a coil and it feels amazing
Right now all of the SDU air shock are being shipped with their Reb/Low Comp tune, and you need to make sure to buy the shock with the correct air can already installed on it! -Tor
Because the default compression settings for the new rockshox stuff is in the "middle" position, should sag be set from the middle compression settings or from fully open?
Great question! We recommend setting sag with the low speed compression *Fully Open* to eliminate any interference from the damper. When setting sag, you're just trying to tune your air spring and fighting against the damper while doing that isn't going to do you any favors! -Tor 😎
Does anyone what Rock Shox says about running the coil on bike that run yoke style linkages? I’ve got a 2022 Stunpy Evo…I know Fox does not recommend it. But brands like Push and EXT do.
According to RS, the increased bushing overlap on these new shocks creates a more stiff chassis that is compatible with yoke frames 😀 Hip-hip! (then you say hooray)
@@daxolivares6939 good question. It looks way beefier than the Fox’s but not as wide as Push or EXT. I’m running 245psi in my float x…fortunately it doesn’t loose much air between rides so it’s no trouble to keep it aired up.
I Was able to get a base Trek Fuel exe 9.5🎉 love the bike but want to upgrade the rear shock. Great fully I was able to order the 2023 zeb for the front. I weigh 200lbs wich one do you think i should go for the coil or the air??? The hbo sounds nice on the coil as you said its not offered aftermarket on the air🤔
Hey Jo Jo! Both shocks offer some serious performance and it's hard to be disappointed with either of them, so the choice comes down to personal preference! If you're looking for all out traction, then that coil shock is going to be for you, but if you like popping off every little feature on the side of the trail, the air shock is going to give you a little more lively of a ride! Give us a call if you want to chat with us more about it!
I'm thinking of getting this or the Fox Float X. Not the float x2. Any recommendations? Well, just purchased this from The Lost Co. Anybody purchase the Super Deluxe Ultimate? I'd like someone to tell me it was a good call on the $600 i just spent lol
Wonder if anyone else is having issues with the rebound adjuster not being able to get the full 15clicks, it's a brand new unit replaced under wrannty as the first had a similar issue, can get 13 clicks end to end.
Hi mate, I have Rockshox Vivid RC2 coil 2018 on my Bergamont Straitline Team 2018 downhill bike and it has 3 nobs which confuses me. Is there anyone to help me? I couldn’t find how to setup it also on website on UA-cam. 1) Beginning Stroke Rebound Knob 2) Compression Knob 3) Ending Stroke Rebound Knob
Rockshox super duper paramount mega deluxe uber best essential king ultimate shock! So crazy! Decent shocks, just super super mega power baller over the top ridiculous naming.
It seems like it would be nice, but the HSC is rarely ever changed after initial setup. We like the clean look of having one less physical knob to turn!
That's tricky as they both do feel very similar on the trail. The RockShox SDU has more adjustments, which is pretty sweet. However, many will appreciate how simple the Float X is. -Mike
Hey Jeremy! Unfortunately there's not an easy rule when it comes to which coil spring to run. We like to use TfTuned's spring rate calculator because it takes into account the bike you're riding, your weight, and how you ride. - Tor
Hey Stefano! High speed compression affects all parts of the travel, while HBO only affects the progression at the end of the stroke. High speed compression affects performance when the shock is compressing at a high rate of speed anywhere in the travel. Hope this clears things up!
Great test on the shocks too bad you guys don't have them in stock but hey thanks your guy said to go to world cycle you guys truly are the Lost company
At this time, no USA dealer has any new RockShox forks or shocks in stock. In a perfect world, we would have had all sizes in stock and ready to ship right away. However, due to the lingering COVID related parts shortages, RockShox just barely has anything for any dealers globally. We will have some start trickling in next week, though! Head over to our website, find the shock you want, choose your size, and then sign up for the stock notification. That way, you'll receive an email as soon as we have the shock in stock that you want 👍 thelostco.com/collections/rear-shocks
@@italianpizza9794 - I've heard yes and no for coil shock fit. I'm asking specifically about the air shock version. The previous generation SDU air shock has a Tallboy tune model with the proper mounting hardware included. I believe it is Low/Low tune.
Hopefully! So far, however, we do not see a part number for a Tallboy specific SDU. But it wouldn't be surprising if that just becomes available out of the blue, as RockShox definitely does that very frequently.
Woah, nice to see you have a 5th Element! That's a shock from a totally different time period of MTB suspension. This stuff is leaps and bounds better and different these days!
People get a hooray for including any kind of scale now? If anything, E-V-E-R-Y-B-O-D-Y should have been demanding the heads of some of those executives ona silver platter for NOT doing so in the past. Freakin amateurs.
Not to worry! ETA's on the Super Deluxe Ultimate are.... up in the air, but we are hoping mid-July. ZEB's we will have earlier, but you will eventually be able to upgrade to the DebonAir+ and Charger3, both with ButterCups.
@@TheLostCo yeah, I was being negative earlier too ngl. I got stoned and thought about it. I still have top of the line stuff regardless so can't be too angry. 😂😂
*_Would you rather have a subscription to HBO or have HBO in your shock??_*
HBO in shock of course
I do not even own a TV set 🤣
However, I wish RS sold Deluxe Coil to private customers. I'd install that one in my bike, which has a bit tight space in front triangle. Cannot fit a decent size bottle and a piggyback shock.
HBO in bike, of course.
HBO in my shock! But you can't buy an aftermarket Super Deluxe Ultimate air shock with HBO?? 😭
@@fgonzales11byeah... We're so stoked about this, best new feature... But you can't have it.
I think fox has a serious problem now. They are harder to set up, way more expensive and more difficult to service. I def. know what my next shock will be
They have Marzocchi though for affordable simple options
@@BasicBodThor well yes it is an option comparing to the old RS but if you watched the vid. RS just made a huge Upgrade and now has almost as many stettings as the fox shocks but ist way cheaper.
@@User-re9so the new top of the line rs is probably even better performance wise in some aspects compared to fox's top of the line. So no more fox is better/smoother? But the silence and the price already makes rs way better in my opinion.
@@merijn639 I‘m not saying RS is working smoother but I think most people out there aren’t able to get the max out of there fox because there so hard to set up. I assume the new RS will work better than the fox for most people
@@User-re9so no I agree its probably not better over all, but fox isn't either. But you're right, rs will probably better for most people because of the setup.
Their next version will be the Epic Ultra Magnificent Heroic Deluxe. Seriously, someone at the naming department at RockShox is not pulling their weight.
You think so? I think that 15 word names are better, because, ya know... MORE words.
I agree, as someone new to riding trying to figure out which version is which is mind numbing and making the shopping process dreadful. It's hard for me to determine what I want
HBO and progressive can, perfect for Ibis Ripmo and Transition Sentinel riders who weigh more than a twig and don't want to run a cascade link, as both are notorious for being a tad too linear out back.
That triple jump overshoot was MASSIVE!
Jumping 50 feet to flat is the BEST way to set up your HBO, trust me! -Tor
Dear @TheLostCo - Thanks for all your Vids - you guys are doing a great job. Nevertheless, is there a Video about the Set Up? I’m struggling a little with finding the right adjustments
Give us a call or hop in the live chat to get help with the set up! We also made a video specifically about the Super Deluxe Coil that goes over how I set the shock up for my bike!
-Tor 😎
YEAH!! Mike is BACK! Packed with enthusiasm and life!
I almost bought a shock this month but now I'll wait til July for this! Thanks Mike!!!
Heck yeah! We really wish these were available right now, though. Mostly everyone at the shop wants one of the new RockShox forks or shocks 😢
The "older" Super Deluxe prices are going down tho, and you already have proven tuning options like Vorsprung Tractive which has all the kinks worked out (and i'm sure the new SD is not gonna be kink free). So the older Super Deluxe is still a solid option IMO. The coil with the HBO is pretty killer tho if that's what you want.
That triple attempt!!!
Rumor has it he's still in the air.
@@TheLostCo He needs a bottom bumper for his chest and as my kids would say.... his nuggets !
Can we use existing Megneg air cans for these new shocks or do we have to wait for compatible ones to be released?
You can look out at GMBN tech overview of the new lineup, more in-depth than mike did, but no, newer shock aren't compatible with megneg or older volume spacers
I couldn't find one of these in stock, and it was still $600... I spent $329 on a lesser Fox for the time being (which is still a big improvement over the bargain-basement Rockshox the bike came with), but I will be upgrading to one of these probably within the year.
@The Lost Co. - first time caller, long time listener. Question - the Fox Float X is said to have a poppy feel (likely due to its small air volume) and the Fox Float X2 is said to have a stable, less-poppy feel (likely due to its large air volume); where does the Super Deluxe Air fit on that spectrum and how will the new linear and progressive air cans move it along that spectrum?
Poppy on one bike, dead on the next. Poppy with a good setup, dead on a bad setup. Shocks behave differently depending on their tune and what frame they are on, then of course the setup.
That firm lever is really nice
For a bigger guy would you recommend super deluxe coil or the push 11 six coil for new Arrival bike?
Hey Dave! Those are both great shocks and would both work well for a heavier guy as long as you have a coil that's heavy enough for you. I've spent time on both shocks and they are my two favorite rear shocks I've ridden. The Push shock will offer more adjustments than the Rockshox Super Deluxe Coil, so if you're a notorious tinkerer then that could be for you! Or if you're more into the simplicity of the RockShox Shock then that could be for you. Both would be great options on that frame so it comes down to personal preference! -Tor 😎
@@TheLostCo thanks so much for quick reply, after looking into them more I’ve decided to go with the rock shox and has a big savings to boot 👍🇨🇦. Have the fox x2 on my arrival now, look forward to seeing the difference the coil will make 💯
Can you slap these shocks on any bike? Or do you need to keep the stock shock with that “specific tune” or can you “specific tune” this shock to meet the requirements of your bike?
For the most part you can pretty much put these on any bike. I put the Super deluxe coil on my bike which wasn't necessarily designed for a coil and it feels amazing
Can you add the megneg or is it pointless. Got a megneg can sitting around in box gathering dust.
Do the aftermarket SDU air shocks only come in one tune? If so, which tune is it? Which air can do they ship with or are they both in the box?
Right now all of the SDU air shock are being shipped with their Reb/Low Comp tune, and you need to make sure to buy the shock with the correct air can already installed on it! -Tor
I have a 2021 Lyric Select+, but the knob to adjust compression literally does nothing. Why is this? It has been like this since I got it.
get your fork serviced
Do i have to call the bike brand to see if i have HBO, wondering if the new Revel Rascals have HB0
Because the default compression settings for the new rockshox stuff is in the "middle" position, should sag be set from the middle compression settings or from fully open?
Great question! We recommend setting sag with the low speed compression *Fully Open* to eliminate any interference from the damper. When setting sag, you're just trying to tune your air spring and fighting against the damper while doing that isn't going to do you any favors!
-Tor 😎
Awesome, thanks for the feedback!@@TheLostCo
Mike you are the Toooppp !!!! Greetings from Switzerland. And thank you for this video.
Are the service kits for the new versions, the same as the previous gen?
Do a comparison, x2 vs. S.d please.
Does anyone what Rock Shox says about running the coil on bike that run yoke style linkages? I’ve got a 2022 Stunpy Evo…I know Fox does not recommend it. But brands like Push and EXT do.
According to RS, the increased bushing overlap on these new shocks creates a more stiff chassis that is compatible with yoke frames 😀 Hip-hip! (then you say hooray)
@@TheLostCo chasis or shaft size? Gonna go coil eventually for my 2022 levo, im chunky...airing to 250psi is a biznatch.
@@TheLostCo hooray 😁
@@daxolivares6939 good question. It looks way beefier than the Fox’s but not as wide as Push or EXT.
I’m running 245psi in my float x…fortunately it doesn’t loose much air between rides so it’s no trouble to keep it aired up.
@@romand123 how do you like your float x? I'm trying to decide between either this or the float X
I Was able to get a base Trek Fuel exe 9.5🎉 love the bike but want to upgrade the rear shock. Great fully I was able to order the 2023 zeb for the front. I weigh 200lbs wich one do you think i should go for the coil or the air??? The hbo sounds nice on the coil as you said its not offered aftermarket on the air🤔
Hey Jo Jo! Both shocks offer some serious performance and it's hard to be disappointed with either of them, so the choice comes down to personal preference! If you're looking for all out traction, then that coil shock is going to be for you, but if you like popping off every little feature on the side of the trail, the air shock is going to give you a little more lively of a ride! Give us a call if you want to chat with us more about it!
Does the new SDU coil fit a 2021 Trek Rail? Would love to run a RS shock again
Does the coils have a climb switch
The "DH" version does not, the normal one does!
I'm thinking of getting this or the Fox Float X. Not the float x2. Any recommendations? Well, just purchased this from The Lost Co. Anybody purchase the Super Deluxe Ultimate? I'd like someone to tell me it was a good call on the $600 i just spent lol
Hope to hear too, plan on getting a SDU or Float X with Cascade when 2023 bikes come out (Probably a Sentinel or Spire)
When is going to be available in your store .??
Wonder if anyone else is having issues with the rebound adjuster not being able to get the full 15clicks, it's a brand new unit replaced under wrannty as the first had a similar issue, can get 13 clicks end to end.
Hi mate,
I have Rockshox Vivid RC2 coil 2018 on my Bergamont Straitline Team 2018 downhill bike and it has 3 nobs which confuses me. Is there anyone to help me? I couldn’t find how to setup it also on website on UA-cam.
1) Beginning Stroke Rebound Knob
2) Compression Knob
3) Ending Stroke Rebound Knob
Any idea when there available in uk ?
Not sure on the UK as we are in the USA, but we will start seeing these as early as next week. However, the pickin's will be slim!
I'm super _deluxe_ shocked the hair has gone Mike!!
It had a good run for about 5 years, but I just couldn't handle the hair in my face and mouth anymore 😂 -Mike
Does the megneg kit come to the new super deluxe
@8:51 we talk about the air cans available. This is different from the MegNeg.
Rockshox super duper paramount mega deluxe uber best essential king ultimate shock! So crazy! Decent shocks, just super super mega power baller over the top ridiculous naming.
They should have given the HSC adjuster a little knob that could be turned by fingers.
It seems like it would be nice, but the HSC is rarely ever changed after initial setup. We like the clean look of having one less physical knob to turn!
A comparison with the dhx2 n x2 is needed🙂
Might need to get a new rockshox super deluxe coil for my new bike! 🤤
I wish they'd make progressive coil cheaper tho.
How does it compare to the Float X?
That's tricky as they both do feel very similar on the trail. The RockShox SDU has more adjustments, which is pretty sweet. However, many will appreciate how simple the Float X is.
-Mike
Is there a body weight/ coil size chart somewhere?
Hey Jeremy! Unfortunately there's not an easy rule when it comes to which coil spring to run. We like to use TfTuned's spring rate calculator because it takes into account the bike you're riding, your weight, and how you ride. - Tor
if I had the money I would defintely upgrade from the deluxe select+
do you guys know when the 2023 zeb will be releasing
I got the aftermarket version of the coil with the HBO
Are you satisfied with that shock, I'm thinking about getting one.
@@sadiejones7991yeah it’s really good, I did about 1000km and no issues so far
But HsC is to slow the end of the travel, so i m confused with HIBO.
Hey Stefano! High speed compression affects all parts of the travel, while HBO only affects the progression at the end of the stroke. High speed compression affects performance when the shock is compressing at a high rate of speed anywhere in the travel. Hope this clears things up!
Does the coil havea climb switch?
Yes it does
Will the Megneg fit on it? Or is it logical to put a Megneg on it?
The new shock does not use the MegNeg. @8:51 we talk about the different air cans available for the new shock.
Great test on the shocks too bad you guys don't have them in stock but hey thanks your guy said to go to world cycle you guys truly are the Lost company
At this time, no USA dealer has any new RockShox forks or shocks in stock. In a perfect world, we would have had all sizes in stock and ready to ship right away. However, due to the lingering COVID related parts shortages, RockShox just barely has anything for any dealers globally. We will have some start trickling in next week, though!
Head over to our website, find the shock you want, choose your size, and then sign up for the stock notification. That way, you'll receive an email as soon as we have the shock in stock that you want 👍
thelostco.com/collections/rear-shocks
I just get the new coil🎉
everything seems superdelux with them prices
Want a custom tune super duper delux coil on my 2022 levo
Super Duper Deluxe isn't released until 2069 😎
@@TheLostCo hot dang, im a patient man but that's 6months too long.
Linne-Air
More adjustment and HBO!
More adjustments is more better!
Will there be a bike specific version (tune and mounting hardware) similar to the previous version (Tallboy V4)?
Dont think the tallboy is compatible with coil shocks, although if there is one let me know, i have a tallboy v4 as well
@@italianpizza9794 - I've heard yes and no for coil shock fit. I'm asking specifically about the air shock version. The previous generation SDU air shock has a Tallboy tune model with the proper mounting hardware included. I believe it is Low/Low tune.
@@parks853 Ah okay, thought you were talking about coil there for a second.
Hopefully! So far, however, we do not see a part number for a Tallboy specific SDU. But it wouldn't be surprising if that just becomes available out of the blue, as RockShox definitely does that very frequently.
Rock Shox > Fox
Linny-air
I imagine that will be similar to the MegNeg and the Progressivair might be more progressive than the standard can on the previous version.
i think rockshox just needs high speed rebound and they will be perfect
LinIEAr
Am I the only one weirded out by how Mike pronounces "linear?" Linny-AIR? Otherwise, thanks for the rundown.
Their coil shock is almost the same as my 5th element. I just hope they're not as finicky as well.
Woah, nice to see you have a 5th Element! That's a shock from a totally different time period of MTB suspension. This stuff is leaps and bounds better and different these days!
6:09
My girlfriend has HBO
Lih-knee-air
Wearing a cap in summer. We've lost you to bad pnw fashion.
People get a hooray for including any kind of scale now? If anything, E-V-E-R-Y-B-O-D-Y should have been demanding
the heads of some of those executives ona silver platter for NOT doing so in the past. Freakin amateurs.
Fuck me, I just bought a super deluxe ultimate air and zeb ultimate 🤬
Not to worry! ETA's on the Super Deluxe Ultimate are.... up in the air, but we are hoping mid-July. ZEB's we will have earlier, but you will eventually be able to upgrade to the DebonAir+ and Charger3, both with ButterCups.
@@TheLostCo yeah, I was being negative earlier too ngl. I got stoned and thought about it. I still have top of the line stuff regardless so can't be too angry. 😂😂
@@superfelon6190 I doubt you could get one this summer ngl. Fall is probably the time if not later.
Awesome video! But please learn how to pronounce "linear" ;-)