Medieval armour did for some reason have very large codpieces the stuck out weirdly but their is some boob armour out there the womens boobs are not actually in there the are under the plate mail and the boob part is a decorative thing like a cod piece is.
Also interestingly, i have seen a more practical breakdown of this (from a woman obviously). She pointed to the real world use of ballistic plates in the military and their sometimes incompatibility with larger chested individuals
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow Not sure if this is it as I didn't read the article but I did find this: "Effect of Torso and Breast Characteristics on the Perceived Fit of Body Armour Systems Among Female Soldiers: Implications for Body Armour Sizing and Design" www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8959632/
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow Actually yeah, that article was it: "Normative data characterising the torso and breasts of 97 female soldiers highlight the variation in anthropometric dimensions that body armour systems must cater for, as well as the implications of the varied torso and breast sizes and shapes for perceived body armour fit. Future body armour systems should cater for female soldiers' physical diversity by developing an expanded sizing range and female-specific design features to improve perceptions of fit. Improved perceptions of fit will, in turn, reduce movement interference, discomfort, and barriers to performance in the field. Any modifications to body armour should be informed by anthropometric data representing female soldiers and aim to ensure that vital thoracoabdominal organ protection recommendations are maintained."
Honestly I'm glad a lady said that it's important to have boob armor. Cause a lot of people get offended for the fact it exists but some people like it. Plus yeah GW isn't great at making women, they have improved but still. Cal we all know what you meant 😂
I'm glad to hear this, perhaps there are other lady UA-camrs who may have spoken on this but I think I should definitely contribute...what with me having boobs and all 🤭~Sunny
I like them and Anvil because the prints almost never fail with them and they have some nice interesting designs also easy to assemble! Can't forget that bit~Sunny
I do understand that position. Some people want variety in gender but they don't want figures to be defined by their gender. That means, on the one side, that not all minis should be men, so there shall be female soldiers and cultists, but on the other, their gender should not be the first identifiable trait, as it shall be irrelevant, and therefore not accentuated in the design.
@@erikmazon4587 if there’s no distinction then there’s no distinction. You can just pretend some are women and some are men if that’s what you want. You don’t need a manufacturer to tell you, “oh, even though there is no difference in the models some are girls I guess.” In fact most model kits we buy don’t come with a note saying “these models are all men”.
It always seems to be something that the Redd*t/ twitter tourists seem to be adamant on, then push on to the rest of us - creating more work, when it could've easily been avoided.
@@erikmazon4587 Except that either gender IS indeed identifiable by your physical appearance, you can "identify" as whatever you want but that will never change what you objectively are.
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Hmm, some of the old Slaanesh Daemonettes of 3rd edition had good looking faces despite the heroic scale. 🤔
To be honest that was the exception that proved the rule. Those models were fantastic and a lot of people recognize the talent there it even stands up to modern day sculpts. That was a very, very talented artist - Cal
For me, it depends on the setting. I don't have a problem with boob plate in 40K or scantily clad athletic/attractive men and women in an Conan-esque Swords & Sorcery world. Or a muscle cuirass if I play greco-roman history battles. In a more down to earth setting I expect to see more uniform / realistic shape in armor for both men and women, with the main differences a shorter upper torso and longer legs for women in direct comparison to their male counterparts. All you need besides that is a bit more space for the upper lady bits. To quote a female acquaintance that was into reenactment: 'It doesn't take much but it's SO much more comfortable if my boobs don't get squished by my armor for half a day.' 😅
i think this is going to be a case by case basis as it more depends on what the general asethetic you are going for. i think boob armor on cadian designs would look silly since they do generally have a practical asthetic (keyword asthetic not inherently the actual overall design but the illusion of it) but if you are going for a flamboyant champion style design or generally somthing with more flair and symbolism then it would fit more. in the case of the cadians it would probably be mostly in the heads and maybe some minor proportional differences but i think women standing out as different for that wouldnt matter as much where somthing like the cultists where each is seaking glory for their god it would make more sense to show off their individualism and i think there can be somthing to the role play fantasy aspect of not knowing whether or not a trooper is a male or female where you can imprint your own assumptions and story to each of them as blank slates
I think that is fair but I also think that the female guard aren't shown in any way shape or form. Because we don't see those more rounded hips slightly smaller stature and so on. But I have actually seen really good designs for that Vanquishers Shock Troops who have boob armour and I think they look great. Not over the top at all - Cal
I think the problem is not the design, but the assumption that a generic human shape is by default a man's. If you took a group of soldiers at boot camp with shaved heads and in loose fatigues, your gender markers are hidden. They are hard to distinguish at life scale, let alone 28 mm. Unless you're 3 inches away.
Wow this video is amazing , this is the kind of content that is unique in YT. You are talking of one of the most important topics for our hobby, design, in such an excellent way , respectful, explicative and clear , thanks guys !!! Also I suppose this is the Sisters of battle design episode 😂😂
@@xiuyoalli we are still working on the colours of faith and fury episode. It's difficult with the switch in with the channel and how we are trying to get ahead before Deepavali (Indian Christmas) three weeks from now - Cal
Shadowversity did a very in-depth exploration of the subject in the name of science, of course...from a design point of view, what you say makes perfect sense. In a setting with literal gods ripping apart the galaxy, hooligan mushrooms rampaging, nine-foot transhumans encased in armour tearing space elves limb from limb...female conforming armour is obviously not plausible
As practical armor, boob armor is bad, but our models aren't historic recreations of practical armor. They're stylized representations of a shared fantasy world. And in fairness, we do get both. Take a look at the Eowyn model from LotR for example.
@WhatareyouPaintingnow absolutely! I love hearing your takes. Might not always agree, but they're always well thought out and presented, to fuel thought.
Boob armor videos by Jill Bearup and Shadiversity are great analysis about why this doesn't work on a body mechanics level which breaks verisamilitude.
Also show me a professional boxer with a push up bra. Boob position affect swing mechanics. Sports bras effect body mechanics. So does a lower center of mass.
Love your videos! I found this channel a few days ago and I've been binge watching. As a new Warhammer/painter, these have been so incredibly helpful and entertaining
My argument is simple. Greek chest plate. Even in reality humans sometimes used things that could be bad for the user itself, since it was part of their culture, preference or something else. Yes, the greek chest plate is not too bad, but the abive mentioned existed.
Since a lot of the "Boob Armor" imaginary used is specifically 40k Sisters of Battle i feel the urge to point out that practicality or anything else like it isn't really even a factor. Sisters have boobs on their armor specifically so that they are instantly recognizable as female in universe asw them being female is the legal loop hole that is being used for them to exist as a fighting force for the Ecclesiarchy who are forbidden to have "men under arms"
Yeah the decree passive is one of the most important things in the whole of 40k lore and helps people understand the 40k universe better than any thing else with how ridiculous it is - Cal
Ahh-hem... I think was very engaging. I think we need a thorough investigation of this topic. Also adjacent topics might not be bad. Maybe a sisters of battle follow up?
I feel like it's a side effect of GW designing their newer minis with their "painting system" in mind. Everything gets harsh edges to edge highlight, and pronounced crevices for washes and Contrasts to settle in, including faces. And those are things we generally associate with masculinity when we see them on human faces. The idea that it's a limitation of scale or the casting tech (something I often hear people saying) is absurd. Other companies somehow manage to make minis with feminine faces, at the same or similar scales, without problems.
And from a lore perspective, the Sisters of Battle are born from 'the church can't have an army of men', and an easy way to see if your army has men in it or not is to give all your female warriors boob armour
Boob armor could also be realistic too. Think about those Roman chestpieces that emphasize the male musculature. If there was a female-dominated society, or at least one where women held power, wouldn't women want to emphasize their features? Like a symbol of power. I could see the Sisters of Battle doing that.
This was such a beautifully educational video about a conversation that generally devolves into people getting mad, or people saying "hehe boobies" I am absolutely in the latter 😊
Anyone who has ever been in a medieval museum can tell those armours have absurdly large codpieces, it's almost like men have historically had an equivalent to booba plate 😮
I agree, but for general purposes, I think Wizards 2, Soldiers 2, Cultists 2, Barbarians 2, Crew 2, Mercenaries 2 and Scavengers 2 from Frostgrave/Stargrave are more useful. Also, we do need more codpieces.
But with all of those the breasts are pretty prominent. I have all bar cultists 2 and scavenger 2 all of them are very obvious with the female form - Cal
I like boob armor - it's hard to spot who's female or not without exaggerated boobies when you look at your minis from afar playing the game. I want Battle Nuns, not Battle Gentelmans! I really don't like designs that relly too much on "realism" because they often tone down things to being mediocre. We have churches with legs in 40k ffs! Who needs realism in a universe like that
I always thought boob armor is just the woman version of the codpiece or the abs-plate. I hope one day we get a dude squad for the sisters of battle, who are basically space-landsknechts.
As mentioned, a lot of GW's female kits are indistinguishable from males other than boob armour. I went one step further when i made my all-female dark eldar army (yes even the models on the transports) by going mostly third party. The wyches are mostly topless, but everything else is just obviously (darkly) feminine without being obscene.
Warhammer is 100% rule of cool and that's why it became popular. It's not just the armor and the swords. Does someone actually believe a Baneblade would even be able to move irl? AND TITANS!? Can't believe there's people clamoring for practical features.
Man there is someone in the comments here saying the swords we showed were just "slightly" ornate... Angron's sword slightly ornate. Some people are on another planet - Cal
I think a lot of people forget rhat in real life armour is over exaggerated less for practical and more for ceremonial or boisterous means. I think too many people are becoming sex negative puratins.
Hey guys great little video! I just wanted to ask though, and i preface this by saying that I agree with you on this entire issue, but what would you say about the whole idea of how sloped armour can make projectiles or blades and such slip up into the neck or down into the abdomen thus making it actually rather unsafe compared to just a flat plate of armour? After all, this whole concept is very much real and it gets applied in things like the sloped design of armour plating on tanks and other vehicles as well as certain fortifications and so on, which both makes thinner plates suddenly become twice as thick without extra material and/or it makes incoming fire bounce off rather than penetrate the armour for example. I was trying to think of some setting that's a bit more logical and grounded rather than pure fantasy and celebration of the ideal form like Warhammer usually is, and i suppose that if it's not something like call of duty or something along those lines, i was going to suggest something perhaps like a mass effect sort of setting for example, but then i realized both Shepards did have a rather anatomical armour on in every single part of that trilogy lol, same with something like halo with the plethora of armour types on display there, but you get the idea, that perhaps those that have a problem with boob armour can at least look to those more realistic options and leave the more fantastical ones alone perhaps, a live and let live sort of situation if you will. Keep up the quality work as always, cheers!
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow " whole idea of how sloped armour can make projectiles or blades and such slip up into the neck or down into the abdomen thus making it actually rather unsafe compared to just a flat plate of armour?" We're talking about full body covering power armor here, neck and abdomen arent really any more vulnerable then the chest and also a lot of guns in the setting are energy weapons anyway.
Good point of view, as usual. Additional points for bringing historical context, because those who have problems with boob armour, forget that history has things like King Henry VIII suit of armor with very pronounced males "attribute". In my opinion if females wore armour in the XVI century, they would have huge metal boobs sculpt on the breast plate.
The only people who are complaining about boob armor are the people who want to pretend that they’re somehow arguing for equality, yet ironically they are erasing feminine miniatures.
There’s another thing I would like to mention. Boobs are a particularly female part, but certain species don’t have them, such as reptile-kin, or birdfolk. There was a game called Baldur’s Gate 3, and the only thing about it that I didn’t like was the lack of female characteristics on the reptilian Dragonborn. That honestly disappointed me, because it makes the male and female Dragonborn almost indistinguishable from each other. I feel like this is a mistake, and more reptilian-like characters should have boobs.
Bro they tried to take way as much as possible fir my blood angels nipple armor abd they downsized the sand guards booty armor as well. Don’t let this vandalism be done to boob armor as well . Hell they even took away our obliques
DONT LET THEM TAKE AWAY THE BOOBS LIKE THEY TOOK THE BLOOD ANGELS NIPPLES THESE COWARDS NEVER ROLLED INTO BATTLE WITH A MASSIVE COD PIECE OR MIDDLE FINGERS (the middle finger of the time was a thumb in the middle of fist the armor was really cool) DRIP IS ETERNAL
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow and to be honest, they already have a full-fledged set a cohesively designed sisters figures you look at them and their visual design screams sisters battle them being women is strongly implied in the design elements slapping giant coconut halves on the front of the armor doesn’t do anything. It’s just a thing that they’ve chosen to establish as a part of their aesthetic. File the giant coconuts off the front of a sisters, a battle unit but the haircuts shoulder pads and fleur de lis. No one will ever expect that it’s anything other than a sister a battle.
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow everything you said boiled down to “ I think they look cool. Also, how would I know that it’s a girl if not?” It’s a pedantic argument. You got a pedantic answer
Boob=woman is a design crutch and you can do better. Oh look, that must be a woman because she has a sister of battle icon on her armor. The same way you tell a Salamander from a Dark Angel. Also men and women fight in different ways. Just as the Tau dont use the same weapons as the orks. Give them lighter weapons.
I'll give a pass to the assasinorum where EVERYONE is in spandex. In the sisters, the repentia, sure show some boob. But in medium to heavy armor, showing boob makes zero sense. Do what the marines do, take off the helmet. Or give the ultramarines some 6 pack spandex armor or a codpiece!
I have long been a defender of boob armour on one simple ground and you seem to agree. If you want visible female representation in a miniature range, you need your miniatures to be very obviously female at 3-4 feet - normal miniatures viewing range. If you don't aim for that, then the casual viewer of a game of Warhammer won't see female miniatures. On the specific criticism that people make about boob armour being dangerous, it probably isn't true. While it is true that in some cases it might deflect a blow inwards towards the centre of a breastplate, the thickest part of a breastplate is actually the very centre. So a blow being deflected there is going come up against the least penetrable part of the armour. Also, as the blow lands on the boob and is deflected, most of the blow's kinetic energy is dispersed at the point of impact meaning it has less energy available when it reaches the middle of the breastplate and is even less likely to penetrate. So it isn't really accurate to suggest that boob armour is dangerous or less effective. There isn't any clear evidence for that claim.
@@Paul_Inman well more and more it just starts to sound like people who don't want boob armour are just trying to find any reason to make the differentiation disappear ~Sunny
@s33v3rs probably about the same as you do to back up yours. UA-cam videos. Oh. But I also own a solid steel reenactment breastplate and can indeed confirm that the centre line is in fact the thickest part.
I defend the Codpiece!
@@calvanoni5443 yes sir 🫡 ~Sunny
We use to have the codpieces in fantasy, the empire was full of them
@@calvanoni5443 here, here!
Medieval armour did for some reason have very large codpieces the stuck out weirdly but their is some boob armour out there the womens boobs are not actually in there the are under the plate mail and the boob part is a decorative thing like a cod piece is.
Also interestingly, i have seen a more practical breakdown of this (from a woman obviously). She pointed to the real world use of ballistic plates in the military and their sometimes incompatibility with larger chested individuals
I know you won't be able to link because of UA-cam, but would you able to tell us the search terms to find this video? - Cal
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow Not sure if this is it as I didn't read the article but I did find this:
"Effect of Torso and Breast Characteristics on the Perceived Fit of Body Armour Systems Among Female Soldiers: Implications for Body Armour Sizing and Design"
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8959632/
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow Actually yeah, that article was it:
"Normative data characterising the torso and breasts of 97 female soldiers highlight the variation in anthropometric dimensions that body armour systems must cater for, as well as the implications of the varied torso and breast sizes and shapes for perceived body armour fit. Future body armour systems should cater for female soldiers' physical diversity by developing an expanded sizing range and female-specific design features to improve perceptions of fit. Improved perceptions of fit will, in turn, reduce movement interference, discomfort, and barriers to performance in the field. Any modifications to body armour should be informed by anthropometric data representing female soldiers and aim to ensure that vital thoracoabdominal organ protection recommendations are maintained."
Oh yes that was a great video!
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow I don’t know, that was years ago, your video just happened to jog my memory
Honestly I'm glad a lady said that it's important to have boob armor. Cause a lot of people get offended for the fact it exists but some people like it. Plus yeah GW isn't great at making women, they have improved but still. Cal we all know what you meant 😂
I'm glad to hear this, perhaps there are other lady UA-camrs who may have spoken on this but I think I should definitely contribute...what with me having boobs and all 🤭~Sunny
You are very correct with this assessment, I found that wargames Atlantic is one of a few companies that make nice female models in 28mm.
@@thepiratepenguin4465 I like them and Anvil industries for more just normal looking ladies not over the top - Cal
I like them and Anvil because the prints almost never fail with them and they have some nice interesting designs also easy to assemble! Can't forget that bit~Sunny
I have one of those, but most of my female models are from Frostgrave/Stargrave
Boob armour is awesome, because I don’t want to paint icky boys lol
Well considering icky bois taught me how to paint I think I should return the favour once in awhile 😛~Sunny
“I want female models but I want them to be visually indistinguishable from male models” is a position a lot of people seem to hold.
It's very weird, and it's true - Cal
I do understand that position. Some people want variety in gender but they don't want figures to be defined by their gender. That means, on the one side, that not all minis should be men, so there shall be female soldiers and cultists, but on the other, their gender should not be the first identifiable trait, as it shall be irrelevant, and therefore not accentuated in the design.
@@erikmazon4587 if there’s no distinction then there’s no distinction. You can just pretend some are women and some are men if that’s what you want. You don’t need a manufacturer to tell you, “oh, even though there is no difference in the models some are girls I guess.” In fact most model kits we buy don’t come with a note saying “these models are all men”.
It always seems to be something that the Redd*t/ twitter tourists seem to be adamant on, then push on to the rest of us - creating more work, when it could've easily been avoided.
@@erikmazon4587 Except that either gender IS indeed identifiable by your physical appearance, you can "identify" as whatever you want but that will never change what you objectively are.
Hmm, some of the old Slaanesh Daemonettes of 3rd edition had good looking faces despite the heroic scale. 🤔
To be honest that was the exception that proved the rule. Those models were fantastic and a lot of people recognize the talent there it even stands up to modern day sculpts. That was a very, very talented artist - Cal
For me, it depends on the setting. I don't have a problem with boob plate in 40K or scantily clad athletic/attractive men and women in an Conan-esque Swords & Sorcery world. Or a muscle cuirass if I play greco-roman history battles.
In a more down to earth setting I expect to see more uniform / realistic shape in armor for both men and women, with the main differences a shorter upper torso and longer legs for women in direct comparison to their male counterparts. All you need besides that is a bit more space for the upper lady bits. To quote a female acquaintance that was into reenactment: 'It doesn't take much but it's SO much more comfortable if my boobs don't get squished by my armor for half a day.' 😅
"Muscle cuirass" however was a real thing. It's name is Lorica Musculata.
Boob armor is important. Without it, the boobs would get hurt, and no one wants that. Issue settled. 😊
@@bashkaai a man of wisdom - Cal
indeed my brother, we wouldn't want them to get hurt ~Sunny
i think this is going to be a case by case basis as it more depends on what the general asethetic you are going for. i think boob armor on cadian designs would look silly since they do generally have a practical asthetic (keyword asthetic not inherently the actual overall design but the illusion of it) but if you are going for a flamboyant champion style design or generally somthing with more flair and symbolism then it would fit more. in the case of the cadians it would probably be mostly in the heads and maybe some minor proportional differences but i think women standing out as different for that wouldnt matter as much where somthing like the cultists where each is seaking glory for their god it would make more sense to show off their individualism and i think there can be somthing to the role play fantasy aspect of not knowing whether or not a trooper is a male or female where you can imprint your own assumptions and story to each of them as blank slates
I think that is fair but I also think that the female guard aren't shown in any way shape or form. Because we don't see those more rounded hips slightly smaller stature and so on. But I have actually seen really good designs for that Vanquishers Shock Troops who have boob armour and I think they look great. Not over the top at all - Cal
I think the problem is not the design, but the assumption that a generic human shape is by default a man's. If you took a group of soldiers at boot camp with shaved heads and in loose fatigues, your gender markers are hidden. They are hard to distinguish at life scale, let alone 28 mm. Unless you're 3 inches away.
Boob armor is comfort fit armor. If your armor is annoying you it slows you down.
Wow this video is amazing , this is the kind of content that is unique in YT. You are talking of one of the most important topics for our hobby, design, in such an excellent way , respectful, explicative and clear , thanks guys !!!
Also I suppose this is the Sisters of battle design episode 😂😂
@@xiuyoalli we are still working on the colours of faith and fury episode. It's difficult with the switch in with the channel and how we are trying to get ahead before Deepavali (Indian Christmas) three weeks from now - Cal
Shadowversity did a very in-depth exploration of the subject in the name of science, of course...from a design point of view, what you say makes perfect sense. In a setting with literal gods ripping apart the galaxy, hooligan mushrooms rampaging, nine-foot transhumans encased in armour tearing space elves limb from limb...female conforming armour is obviously not plausible
As practical armor, boob armor is bad, but our models aren't historic recreations of practical armor. They're stylized representations of a shared fantasy world.
And in fairness, we do get both. Take a look at the Eowyn model from LotR for example.
Yeah totally fair, hope you found it entertaining - Cal
@WhatareyouPaintingnow absolutely! I love hearing your takes. Might not always agree, but they're always well thought out and presented, to fuel thought.
I am so glad we have fans who may not agree all the time but, can appreciate the effort 😊 - Cal
Boob armor videos by Jill Bearup and Shadiversity are great analysis about why this doesn't work on a body mechanics level which breaks verisamilitude.
Also show me a professional boxer with a push up bra. Boob position affect swing mechanics. Sports bras effect body mechanics. So does a lower center of mass.
So glad someone who’s not me has said this, I’m not brave enough to do this myself.
Why it's not controversial? We don't think so, it's just the truth and the truth should always be defended - Cal
Preach! Preach my brother and sister!
For the Boob Armour, For the Cod Piece! We shall never surrender! - Cal
Love your videos! I found this channel a few days ago and I've been binge watching. As a new Warhammer/painter, these have been so incredibly helpful and entertaining
Welcome aboard! I am glad you have been enjoying 😌 - Cal
My argument is simple. Greek chest plate.
Even in reality humans sometimes used things that could be bad for the user itself, since it was part of their culture, preference or something else.
Yes, the greek chest plate is not too bad, but the abive mentioned existed.
I for one, welcome our boob-armored overlords
That's all tonight from Kent Brockman - Cal
Since a lot of the "Boob Armor" imaginary used is specifically 40k Sisters of Battle i feel the urge to point out that practicality or anything else like it isn't really even a factor. Sisters have boobs on their armor specifically so that they are instantly recognizable as female in universe asw them being female is the legal loop hole that is being used for them to exist as a fighting force for the Ecclesiarchy who are forbidden to have "men under arms"
Yeah the decree passive is one of the most important things in the whole of 40k lore and helps people understand the 40k universe better than any thing else with how ridiculous it is - Cal
Ahh-hem... I think was very engaging. I think we need a thorough investigation of this topic. Also adjacent topics might not be bad. Maybe a sisters of battle follow up?
@@abgea we owe the high level members some videos - Cal
Thought this was gonna be a video explaining how its practical in some sense, but it was a lot more interesting!
@@locomotivefaox glad you enjoyed - Cal
I just dislike GW's ability to make female minis, They make them way too masculine and just ugly in general.
Fair comment is fair - Cal
I feel like it's a side effect of GW designing their newer minis with their "painting system" in mind. Everything gets harsh edges to edge highlight, and pronounced crevices for washes and Contrasts to settle in, including faces. And those are things we generally associate with masculinity when we see them on human faces.
The idea that it's a limitation of scale or the casting tech (something I often hear people saying) is absurd. Other companies somehow manage to make minis with feminine faces, at the same or similar scales, without problems.
And from a lore perspective, the Sisters of Battle are born from 'the church can't have an army of men', and an easy way to see if your army has men in it or not is to give all your female warriors boob armour
@@Stanmanme this is true - Cal
That ending had me worried for a second
Which one ha ha the wetting the brush or the cod piece?! ha ha ha ha ha - Cal
You and me both buddy, you and me both, infact that was 100% a natural reaction from me hahaha ~Sunny
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow Ahah The wetting of the brush, I can never get it right
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow I've been on the internet for too long
Boob armor could also be realistic too. Think about those Roman chestpieces that emphasize the male musculature. If there was a female-dominated society, or at least one where women held power, wouldn't women want to emphasize their features? Like a symbol of power. I could see the Sisters of Battle doing that.
This was such a beautifully educational video about a conversation that generally devolves into people getting mad, or people saying "hehe boobies"
I am absolutely in the latter 😊
hehe boobies ~Sunny
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow absotitley 😙
Anyone who has ever been in a medieval museum can tell those armours have absurdly large codpieces, it's almost like men have historically had an equivalent to booba plate 😮
You don't want a arrow in your dick.
This makes sense to me, but like all things there are some people which will take offence. Be it an piece of clothing, an aesthetic or story.
Well Ducky you're not wrong - Cal
"Some of these are cloud strife swords" procedes to show a pair of slightly ornate executioner swords.
Hold up did you just call Angron's Sword a slightly ornate executioner sword!? - Cal
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow for his size it isn't too ridiculous. Ain't a thrusting sword but it wouldn't be stupidly unwieldy for him.
I support boobs or no boobs. Craft the armor you like best!
I agree, but for general purposes, I think Wizards 2, Soldiers 2, Cultists 2, Barbarians 2, Crew 2, Mercenaries 2 and Scavengers 2 from Frostgrave/Stargrave are more useful. Also, we do need more codpieces.
But with all of those the breasts are pretty prominent. I have all bar cultists 2 and scavenger 2 all of them are very obvious with the female form - Cal
The "ship frontal side" shape for female breastplate armor work better to me for being more reasonable
Concaved plate yeah that is cool to but still an indicator of who is underneath - Cal
Boob armor is awesome
I like boob armor - it's hard to spot who's female or not without exaggerated boobies when you look at your minis from afar playing the game. I want Battle Nuns, not Battle Gentelmans! I really don't like designs that relly too much on "realism" because they often tone down things to being mediocre. We have churches with legs in 40k ffs! Who needs realism in a universe like that
Realism isn't real big in 40k - Cal
important video . i want this video to get more views
Thanks 😊 - Cal
I always thought boob armor is just the woman version of the codpiece or the abs-plate. I hope one day we get a dude squad for the sisters of battle, who are basically space-landsknechts.
As mentioned, a lot of GW's female kits are indistinguishable from males other than boob armour.
I went one step further when i made my all-female dark eldar army (yes even the models on the transports) by going mostly third party. The wyches are mostly topless, but everything else is just obviously (darkly) feminine without being obscene.
It's a very hard line to ride, I avoid topless models completely, unless it's part of some package/Kickstarter thing - Cal
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow yeah they aren't something I bust out at the public tables lol, just wanted a slightly different painting project.
Warhammer is 100% rule of cool and that's why it became popular.
It's not just the armor and the swords. Does someone actually believe a Baneblade would even be able to move irl? AND TITANS!?
Can't believe there's people clamoring for practical features.
Man there is someone in the comments here saying the swords we showed were just "slightly" ornate... Angron's sword slightly ornate. Some people are on another planet - Cal
I think a lot of people forget rhat in real life armour is over exaggerated less for practical and more for ceremonial or boisterous means. I think too many people are becoming sex negative puratins.
Hey guys great little video!
I just wanted to ask though, and i preface this by saying that I agree with you on this entire issue, but what would you say about the whole idea of how sloped armour can make projectiles or blades and such slip up into the neck or down into the abdomen thus making it actually rather unsafe compared to just a flat plate of armour? After all, this whole concept is very much real and it gets applied in things like the sloped design of armour plating on tanks and other vehicles as well as certain fortifications and so on, which both makes thinner plates suddenly become twice as thick without extra material and/or it makes incoming fire bounce off rather than penetrate the armour for example.
I was trying to think of some setting that's a bit more logical and grounded rather than pure fantasy and celebration of the ideal form like Warhammer usually is, and i suppose that if it's not something like call of duty or something along those lines, i was going to suggest something perhaps like a mass effect sort of setting for example, but then i realized both Shepards did have a rather anatomical armour on in every single part of that trilogy lol, same with something like halo with the plethora of armour types on display there, but you get the idea, that perhaps those that have a problem with boob armour can at least look to those more realistic options and leave the more fantastical ones alone perhaps, a live and let live sort of situation if you will.
Keep up the quality work as always, cheers!
for the sisters their faith is more important than practicality.
@@CaptinCrofty lol works for me, their design is great as it is anyway, nuns with guns FTW
For us design is king if something looks amazing that is the first thing, everything else is secondary - Cal
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow " whole idea of how sloped armour can make projectiles or blades and such slip up into the neck or down into the abdomen thus making it actually rather unsafe compared to just a flat plate of armour?" We're talking about full body covering power armor here, neck and abdomen arent really any more vulnerable then the chest and also a lot of guns in the setting are energy weapons anyway.
Good point of view, as usual. Additional points for bringing historical context, because those who have problems with boob armour, forget that history has things like King Henry VIII suit of armor with very pronounced males "attribute". In my opinion if females wore armour in the XVI century, they would have huge metal boobs sculpt on the breast plate.
The only people who are complaining about boob armor are the people who want to pretend that they’re somehow arguing for equality, yet ironically they are erasing feminine miniatures.
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I like one piece boobs armor like this one.
Yeah it's a good understated design - Cal
There’s another thing I would like to mention. Boobs are a particularly female part, but certain species don’t have them, such as reptile-kin, or birdfolk. There was a game called Baldur’s Gate 3, and the only thing about it that I didn’t like was the lack of female characteristics on the reptilian Dragonborn. That honestly disappointed me, because it makes the male and female Dragonborn almost indistinguishable from each other. I feel like this is a mistake, and more reptilian-like characters should have boobs.
Bro they tried to take way as much as possible fir my blood angels nipple armor abd they downsized the sand guards booty armor as well. Don’t let this vandalism be done to boob armor as well . Hell they even took away our obliques
Stay strong brother man - Cal
Certain forces are at play that seek to drain the fun out of every hobby... Hold the gate! ;)
Great vid!
DONT LET THEM TAKE AWAY THE BOOBS LIKE THEY TOOK THE BLOOD ANGELS NIPPLES
THESE COWARDS NEVER ROLLED INTO BATTLE WITH A MASSIVE COD PIECE OR MIDDLE FINGERS (the middle finger of the time was a thumb in the middle of fist the armor was really cool)
DRIP IS ETERNAL
Why are we screaming 😱 - Cal
BRING BACK THE NIPPLES! ~Sunny
For some weirdos the existance on boobs on a female is sexualizing them.
Booba Armor woo yeeeah!
@@GarredHATES ha ha 🤣😂🤣 glad you enjoyed - Cal
amazing
Thanks - Cal
Hey, Kal! Whatcha doing with that wet brush, ya raskal? :D
He's ticklking some models that's what 🤣🤫 ~Sunny
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow Kinky :D
0:51 WHERE COCKA ARMOR AT?
Watch to end of video - Cal
I don’t like the boob armor, and honestly the “if no boobs how know is girl?” Argument feels just as silly are the realism argument.
Well tell me how you would show it with all of the design limitations we said. Visually not descriptively - Cal
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow draw them as girls boom I have visually described it. Whole thing is a ridiculous thing to argue about.
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow and to be honest, they already have a full-fledged set a cohesively designed sisters figures you look at them and their visual design screams sisters battle them being women is strongly implied in the design elements slapping giant coconut halves on the front of the armor doesn’t do anything. It’s just a thing that they’ve chosen to establish as a part of their aesthetic. File the giant coconuts off the front of a sisters, a battle unit but the haircuts shoulder pads and fleur de lis. No one will ever expect that it’s anything other than a sister a battle.
@@Ruggedtoaster so you didn't take into account anything we said good to know, have a great day ☺️ - Cal
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow everything you said boiled down to “ I think they look cool. Also, how would I know that it’s a girl if not?” It’s a pedantic argument. You got a pedantic answer
Deflections. And erections.
Boob=woman is a design crutch and you can do better. Oh look, that must be a woman because she has a sister of battle icon on her armor. The same way you tell a Salamander from a Dark Angel.
Also men and women fight in different ways. Just as the Tau dont use the same weapons as the orks. Give them lighter weapons.
I'll give a pass to the assasinorum where EVERYONE is in spandex. In the sisters, the repentia, sure show some boob. But in medium to heavy armor, showing boob makes zero sense. Do what the marines do, take off the helmet. Or give the ultramarines some 6 pack spandex armor or a codpiece!
Please do death guard, before and after heresy. Please 😊
We will get there eventually we are about to do the tenth legion- Cal
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow thank you ☺🙏
Boob armor for custodes?
Custodes?
I have long been a defender of boob armour on one simple ground and you seem to agree. If you want visible female representation in a miniature range, you need your miniatures to be very obviously female at 3-4 feet - normal miniatures viewing range. If you don't aim for that, then the casual viewer of a game of Warhammer won't see female miniatures.
On the specific criticism that people make about boob armour being dangerous, it probably isn't true. While it is true that in some cases it might deflect a blow inwards towards the centre of a breastplate, the thickest part of a breastplate is actually the very centre. So a blow being deflected there is going come up against the least penetrable part of the armour. Also, as the blow lands on the boob and is deflected, most of the blow's kinetic energy is dispersed at the point of impact meaning it has less energy available when it reaches the middle of the breastplate and is even less likely to penetrate. So it isn't really accurate to suggest that boob armour is dangerous or less effective. There isn't any clear evidence for that claim.
@@Paul_Inman well more and more it just starts to sound like people who don't want boob armour are just trying to find any reason to make the differentiation disappear ~Sunny
UA-camr jill bearip video on boob armor has good research on why its bad. Do you have any research to back up your points?
@s33v3rs probably about the same as you do to back up yours. UA-cam videos. Oh. But I also own a solid steel reenactment breastplate and can indeed confirm that the centre line is in fact the thickest part.