SSJ Vegata should be considerably stronger than Final Form, but yeah, if Frieza goes Full Power and doesn’t drag it out before he starts losing power, Vegeta might lose.
Yeah but Vegeta didn't hate Cell or Zarbon nearly as much as he hates Frieza. This would be as much of a story of revenge as it would be a test of his strength.
It was clearly implied in the story that Goku was significantly above Vegeta by the time he finished healing and arrived to finally face Frieza. The two Saiyans weren't in the same league by that point, and Vegeta sensed it. It wasn't just Goku's fighting skill that helped him put up more of a fight but also his increased energy, speed, strength, and durability. Vegeta could tell after Goku's first exchange with Frieza that he was far & away the most powerful Saiyan he'd seen so far (Hence, why he believed Goku was the Super Saiyan after comparing their respective performances against Frieza in combat). Were Goku not stronger to an impressive degree, Vegeta wouldn't have been so confident that he could win. He was at a high enough level to anticipate & counter many of Frieza's attacks until he began fighting at 50% power, including the Death Beam (Vegeta could react to it but showed no capacity to directly block it like Goku did). He was quick enough to land the first hit against Frieza whereas Vegeta couldn't keep up with him once he started actually trying. Even then, Frieza was barely trying against Vegeta overall, not needing anywhere near 50% power to outpace him. The one somewhat serious effort he displayed was kicking away Vegeta's full power blast. Even if Vegeta unlocked Super Saiyan, it would likely only have put him on barely equal footing with Frieza at most (much like when he was able to resist 1st form Frieza; It took a great deal of effort, but he held him back). Once Frieza charged up to 100%, he'd kill Vegeta for sure. Even if Vegeta decided not to give Frieza time to power up, it's unlikely in my opinion that he'd be able to defeat, let alone kill him before he reached 100%. Frieza sent SS Goku flying via a two-handed kiai before he could react without using "even three quarters" of his full power. That same kiai would've most likely devastated or outright killed SS Vegeta. SS is an awesome multiplier + stamina revitilizer. Ex- It gave Goku the energy to continue fighting with fresh vigor when he was physically exhausted and had very little ki left just moments before. But it comes down to how much the base form offers to multiply in the first place. Vegeta simply wasn't at a high enough level yet for SS to put him over the top.
@@usuario15965 Their performances against Frieza showed otherwise long before Goku started using the Kaio-ken (No, there is no evidence that he started using it before the 2nd half of their battle, when they changed from aerial combat to the ground and Goku removed his gi's over-shirt; King Kai only referred to the Kaio-ken after that point). Goku was outdoing Vegeta in every conceivable way by an impressive margin from the moment he arrived to face Frieza. He actually challenged, pressured, and injured the tyrant to the point that he was forced to use 50% to outdo his enemy. Vegeta didn't challenge Frieza anywhere near to the same degree even with his full speed & power. You can say "Well, we don't know that Goku WASN'T using the Kaio-ken from the beginning", but the onus is on you to prove that he was using it before King Kai addressed it, not on me to prove that he wasn't. With or without the Kaio-ken, there was no comparison between Goku and Vegeta aside from Vegeta keeping up with Frieza's speed better and reacting to his Death Beam (again, until Frieza stopped playing). Granted, Frieza toyed with Goku too. But he at least had to try harder against him, even in his 4th form. He didn't break a single sweat against Vegeta despite the Saiyan Prince's best efforts, not even when kicking away his max power blast. However you examine it, Toriyama wrote & drew Goku as being significantly superior to Vegeta from the very beginning of that battle. Unless you cite evidence of Toriyama stating Goku & Vegeta were similar in power at this point, I'm not debating any further over what's plain to see in the original manga that the creator himself authored decades ago.
Lets keep it real Vegeta would lose and his past behavior indicates he would let Freiza reach 100%. 1. Kaioken x3 goku 2. Zarbon 3.androids (letting them awake) 4. cell. 5.buu
I disagree. SSJ Vegeta should be considerably stronger than Frieza until FP, and even then the gap between them isn’t that large and given Frieza’s stamina loss rate in the form, if Vegeta can survive for even tens of seconds he should be fine.
@@saulgoodmanskin Yes Vegeta is stronger than Freiza before full power but not only would his Ego cause him to lose Vegeta also loses pretty quickly to stronger opponents (Yes i know about kid buu).
@@reddroid8499 Frieza loses power in his FP form far too quick. Vegeta has proven time and time again to have insane durability and survive bat-shit insane stuff. Even if Frieza went all-out I don’t know if he would have enough time to kill Vegeta before his power started spiralling.
In Dragon Ball Z, Vegeta is used as a tool to drive the plot. We very often see him grow significantly in strength only to lose to the final villain right before the "real hero" saves the day. In this way Vegeta is used to show how strong the final villain actually is, but he never wins against him. This happened with Frieza, the Androids, cell, and majin Buu. Many fans view it as an overused trick to a beloved character. In my opinion Vegeta would win this fight. They are fighting at a level where power levels don't matter as much. Vegeta is a brilliant resourceful character who throughout the Namek Saga was fighting villains stronger than him.
Quite the opposite, at this point in the story they are fighting where ONLY power level matters now, it has become about who has a bigger number, in dragon ball there was far more techniques and strategies
@@santi_super_stunts2573 That's a legitimate perspective. I remember thinking the same thing when I first watched the show. But the 5 hour+ fight between the z fighters and Frieza is supposed to show how power alone will not win the fight. Pretty sure Toriyama said this himself and that power levels aren't supposed to matter. I respect your take on this though.
I feel like he would absolutely let Frieza power up. Even ignoring the situation in the Cell Saga, it was *Vegeta* who goaded Frieza to go into his 2nd Form, Not Frieza. Even if Vegeta is overpowering him initially, Frieza would play into this saying he isn’t using his full strength, and Vegeta would 100% fall into that trap and let him fully power up.
Before they knew how to control its downsides (grade 4), super saiyan was an emotionally dangerous power-up, especially for the purebloods. Vegeta would one, not have the necessary power to beat 100% freeza like you said, and would two, fall victim to the egomaniacal frenzy that ssj brings on even harder than goku did due to his natural arrogance. He would try and get the ultimate humiliation against his slaver and die miserably for it. Freeza takes this
Goku was, on the down low using kaioken too. Which can't be used with Super Sayain. So Goku with his skill and Kaioken makes his base performance make so much sense. But yeah, Vegetas power level I think would be 100 mill. Great video and a fun discussion
The only chance he was if before Frieza goes full power, but I doubt Vegeta would do that. Why do ppl think he can win? He literally couldn’t TOUCH Frieza before he would go super saiyan. Heck even Frieza kicked his max powered attack like nothing. Goku on the other hand got way more hits and did way better in his base form. I think the gap between Goku and Vegeta was way more than what ppl realize. The number for Vegeta at 2.4 million never made sense to me. Personally Vegeta is at 2-2.1 million for me.
well yes he did that but we know he was stronger than piccolo but weaker than goku. So his power level would have to be between 1M and 3M. And if you multiply 50 by either one of those frieza has to use 50% power at the very least
You’re forgetting Goku was using Kaoken against Frieza, but was doing it so briefly and intermittently that no-one could tell apart from Piccolo I think. Base Goku was 20 times weaker than Final Form. Just to no diff someone in DB requires a pl difference of 1.5 times, never mind 20. Goku was using Kaoken. Despite whatever headcanon you have, it’s canon he’s somewhat around as strong as Base Goku at this point. If he unlocked SSJ, he would neg diff Final Form, but he could get smoked by Full Power as long as Frieza doesn’t drag it out, but if he does, Vegeta wins the war of attrition.
Yeah especially that time he got cut in half and still had energy to throw out a massive blast, and got beat up by broly for an entire hour, oh wait that was freeza. Vegeta doesn’t have shit on freeza in durability.
I've always had Vegeta at 2 million when he fought Freeza in his final form, so I would agree with that part. There's also kind of a really solid chance that Vegeta actually wouldn't let Freeza power all the way up to 100%. It wouldn't make any sense for Vegeta to doubt Freeza's power or let him power up more again. He already did it once after he grappled with him in his first form. It would be lame for him to do it again for the same opponent. Catch my drift? I hope that someone gets it.
given how vegeta was able to hold his own against kid buu when he was SIGNIFICANTLY weaker than him, and how he consistently showed his durability against tougher opponents, i think even if frieza powered up to 100%, vegeta would last long enough in the fight due to sheer rage and saiyan pride until frieza started losing energy and he could take the w on him
Goku got one of the, if not the, most insane OP power buffs in DBZ when he got healed on Namek. Vegeta certainly got a solid one, but nowhere near the 30x power boost Goku got.
I really wish he could have gotten his vengeance against Frieza in Resurrection F. He truly deserved it after everything he witnessed and experienced growing up and watching everyone he knew die and his planet be destroyed.
Here's my take, Vegeta is likely around 2 million maybe slightly above. Power level wise he would get around 100 or maybe a little above so yes if he let Frieza go to 100% he would be at a disadvantage. However something to note in especially in the Anime Freiza really struggles to hold that form the entire time he fights Goku at super saiyan he has to put a overdrive level into to land a hit. Goku pretty much just lets him waste himself down. So given that I would say this would be about like golden Freiza fighting Goku but with him having more obvious struggle against Vegeta before running out of steam. That is the worst case situation tho considering how Goku barley kept his cool Vegeta is about as likely to waste Freiza before he can power up further.
I believe sayains have to be at certain power thresholds to reach super sayain forms so I don't know that Vegeta would have been at that threshold. If it just happens from reaching breaking points he could have done it while he was dying and started crying. Bardock could have while his planet was being destroyed, future trunks lost hope plenty of times in his timeline that he could have gone SSJ2. Future Gohan as well. Future Gohan lost everyone so he had plenty of Krillin gets blown up by Frieza moments. And the whole world being destroyed would have had plenty of breaking point moments as well.
Counterargument: the gap between vegeta's power and frieza's 100% is lower than the gap between goku's power and frieza's 100%. This would imply that the fight would last longer than in the original timeline where frieza ran out of energy. Vegeta would have been too smart and pessimistic to let frieza destroy namek before reaching 100%, frieza would have no need after 100%, and he would be too drained to think straight after the tides turn. Even disregarding all of this, I reject your assertion that 2.5 mil is too high for vegeta. Vegeta's confidence suggests he should be stronger than 3rd form frieza who could be argued to be 2 mil. Additionally, frieza likely started the fight stronger than his 3rd form putting him anywhere from 1.75 mil to 2.5 mil yet vegeta started off with the edge. It is very realistic for vegeta's power level to be anywhere from 2 mil to 2.5 mil.
I think both vegeta and goku had close enough max base PL but Goku can easily go up because he made the kaioken his regular aura hence why he could sorta keep up with frieza no problem until 50%. I think SSJ vegeta would win but hed get his ass kicked for a while until Frieza got tired at 100%
also depends when he goes super saiyan i think goku fought frieza a bunch and then spirit bombed him, but if vegeta goes SSJ right away the fight might go very different also frieza might have been done playing with vegeta as he had already been getting trolled by the prince already and goku was someone fresh he hadnt known about and was more curious in playing with. so frieza might behave way more aggro with vegeta who just transformed into frieza's worst fear. i think vegeta would lose sadly.
Here's why I say yeah during the cell saga he told sell "this is my son trunks if I would have managed to lose my son will finish you off" trunks is a time traveler so Goku would still have killed Frieza but he's just a subordinate if Vegeta would have wished he would travel in time to have finished the job himself, Goku never killed Frieza until after Trunks, Trunks is one of his best finishing moves giggity...
The issue is this. When Goku went Super Sayain against Frieza, Frieza was at 50% power. In this case, Frieza would be at 2.5% at the time of Vegeta going Super Sayain. With that disparity in power, it would have only taken one proper below to kill or cripple Frieza. This could easily result in Frieza deing before he realised that he needed to power up.
Honestly it depends on if Vegeta's hate for Frieza is stronger than his pride. If it is, I could see him doing everything in his power to obliterate Frieza, and even if Frieza's power level is higher, there's still a chance Vegeta could hit him with an attack that's strong enough to kill or seriously injure Frieza (Like the final flash with Cell, and Frieza can't regenerate like Cell can.) He has a chance to take it, but i think in the long run it was best that he didn't become a Super Saiyan until later.
this guy "vegeta wouldn't let freeza go full power despite letting majin buu and cell" vegeta vs frieza first form: "go full power, transform!" this guy "namek vegeta is different" vegeta vs zarbon 2nd fight "go full power, transform!"
Considering the way he reacted to Goku not finishing off the ginyus (and him subsequently doing it himself) I imagine he’d go in for the kill right away.
Great video. Very good argument. I agree that Vegeta initially will have the power to beat Frieza but then make him reach full power and then lose...🤦🏽♂️
The biggest thing everyone does not take into account is that Goku was struggling to stand up before he went SSJ and his power level is at 3million bruh that just does not add up. His body was past his limit. If Vegeta at full power went SSJ I think we can see a W in my book. Vegeta was also pissed off and full of rage I see an outcome of him no diffing Frieza. SSJ can have a power level boost of x50 but in that moment in the manga when the author wrote it SSJ was as strong as it needed to be and the guides came after.
Vegeta would’ve lost, when Vegeta was fighting final form Frieza he only had a power level between 1.5 and 2.4 mil. If he went Super Saiyan he’d be at 75 mil or the same level as full power Frieza
1) You're forgetting the Zenkai Boosts that Vegeta and Goku both got, if you don't know each boost is 2/3 of their base power level. Vegeta exploits this and gains heaps but only enough to get him from near 40K to around 535K. Not only was he beaten by Zarbon, but The Ginyu Force as well. So taking this into account, his base state would cap at around 2,700,000 making his Super Saiyan power around 135,000,000, so no if Vegeta became a Super Saiyan on Namek instead of Goku the battle isn't even close. 2) Goku gets Zenkai Boosts throughout his entire fight with Frieza due to the Kaio-Ken putting all that strain on his body constantly, and on top of that he gets beaten up badly once and on top of that he used Kaio-Ken like a drug on The Ginyu Force. Goku was stronger than Vegeta, so his Zenkai Boosts would have made him stronger and raised his power level alot more. That coupled with Super Saiyan multiplier would still leave a significant gap in power Frieza being stronger - only slightly which is shown in the anime.
They are literally equal in power level (somewhat), some speculate vegeta to have 2.5 million power level, multiplied by 50 gives us 125000000 and frieza is 120000000
@aryanbhattacharya4238 basically, he was slowly growing muscles during the battle. At first he looked like ssj god when he achieved it. And when namek started destroying when there were only goku and frieza at namek he was buffed like trunks or vegeta in cell saga
what i'm seeing a lot on the comments and something you said in the video is an underestimation of vegeta's fighting prowess, in pure skills he is on par with goku since they first fought, also 100% power FREEZA(ffs its about time people start spelling his name correctly) power drainage is absurd, and I think vegeta can survive him at 100% until he's drained to the point of even becoming weaker than vegeta(freeza's achiles heel was always his stamina, even the clown fiesta known as "super" acknowledged that, even worse than super saiyan 3's stamina problems/power drainage, and thats saying something), so yeah, its very likely super saiyan vegeta could beat freeza, and not, i'm not an huge fan of vegeta, as a matter of fact the best character in Z IMO is future trunks, no "letting your opponent get to full power", no "letting your opponent get away so he can get stronger and offer a better fight later" and mainly no stupid saiyan hubris and pride, just a scarred and jaded young man who hasn't got time for bullshit
Supersaiyan is a 50x multiplier. Always has been. Nothing to speculate. The same sources that tell us their base power levels when fighting frieza, say it's a 50x base power.
Pretty sure he could hold him untill Goku got there and Goku has Koken times 20 up his sleve. 100 million and 60 million guy not to mention the others against 120 million guy who should be tired af. A coin toss.
100% Namek Vegeta kills Freeza before Freeza powers up. That was his entire goal from the start of the Namek arc. If it went down to the wire then Vegeta loses. But Vegeta is a way better fighter than Freeza and if it's even close then Vegeta wins.
Aye bro, keep going, I usually don't pay attention to small youtubers or dbz content, but the fact that you kept my attention amazes me, keep doing the good work
I don't agree with the assessment. Vegeta will 100% let freeza power up. He already let 1st form Frieza transform and even suggested him to do so. Vegeta reaching SSJ would make him cocky as hell. Much like with Cell he would allow Frieza to power up as soon as Frieza points out he could still beat Vegeta when he's at a 100%.
Your right I don’t think vegeta was at 2.4 mil like I said leaving earth his highest was 180,000 so let’s say by namek it was 360,000 and after krillin blasted him 540,000 so when He fought against freiza a little higher than 540,000
Not necessarily, Super Saiyan is achieved by witnessing/undergoing a traumatic event that draws out the Saiyan's full power by harnessing/focusing it through rage as a motivator.
Vegeta still wins since he would get a zenkai boost After Ge got beaten to the Mountain But without the death beam in this what if Gokus power level was below 3 Millionen before he became a ssj so his power was not 150 Millionen Thats why it was a equall fight
3:32 I’d definitely say Vegeta is the better fighter of the two. Vegeta has not only trained more, he’s put himself on the frontline of intense battles more than Frieza. Frieza never trained until Resurrection of F.
Vegeta also hadnt trained ever as he fully belived in his power from birth as an elite he did however fight a lot more and was more experienced since he while strong still had to fight while someone else sat on his chair and death beamed anything in his way
can you imagine vegeta just going super saiyan, the transformation of legend he grew up with his entire life, for his moment of triumph, and being scared of freeza saying "let me go 100%", no he would let him i do agree with you that freeza would just blow up the planet if he had to, vegeta has a different effect psychologically on goku -- goku is a martial artist and he triggers the martial artist's pride in his enemies (including vegeta), which makes them want to beat goku in a straight up fight instead of just blowing up the planet and calling it a day. vegeta on the other hand doesnt have that same purity so they act like him, just wanting to win
vegeta would never win against frieza even if he was ssj3 because he's not the main character. Goku team defeats frieza, cell and buu. Vegeta lost against all 3. Vegeta loses every single time in the movies too. It's goku that wins the day
Frieza's true power was closer to 200,000,000 at the end and Goku's was around 180,000,000 the difference was small though because certain techniques amped-up their (mainly Goku's) power in order to surpass the other with Goku winning due to his Saiyan biology/genetics.
@@matthewgraham3330 erm actually, vegeta’s power level was 530,000 at the end of the Namek arc, and since the Saiyan multiplier is x50, that would be his power level
honestly i think vegeta can beat frieza if he went ssj if any of yall remember goku power level was extremely low and could barely stand yet when he goes ssj he was above frieza tht must mean the ssj boost is stronger than what the daizenzuu said and vegeta would be a fresh ssj he would be massively above frieza and would smoke him before he even power up he hates frieza with a burning passion
Hold on, at that point Vegeta isn't 'fresh' either, think he was in many life-threatening battles on Namek. As for Goku each time you use Kaio-Ken it multiplied his power level that he previously had by 4 until he all of a sudden did it by 10 then when he absolutely snapped by 20. Plus the added Zenkais he received prom putting his body past its limits multiple times and if you remember DBZ law The Kaio-Ken uses the 'Genki'/Life force of the user each time it's overused and pushed beyond the 'safe' limit.
But know vegeta he would let frieza power up since he did it with zarbon and frieza 1st 2nd and 3rd form
And notoriously with Cell going perfect
SSJ Vegata should be considerably stronger than Final Form, but yeah, if Frieza goes Full Power and doesn’t drag it out before he starts losing power, Vegeta might lose.
Yeah but Vegeta didn't hate Cell or Zarbon nearly as much as he hates Frieza. This would be as much of a story of revenge as it would be a test of his strength.
@@macrochipped he literally told frieza to transform
Vegeta is by definition the "fuck around and find out" type of guy
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It was clearly implied in the story that Goku was significantly above Vegeta by the time he finished healing and arrived to finally face Frieza. The two Saiyans weren't in the same league by that point, and Vegeta sensed it. It wasn't just Goku's fighting skill that helped him put up more of a fight but also his increased energy, speed, strength, and durability.
Vegeta could tell after Goku's first exchange with Frieza that he was far & away the most powerful Saiyan he'd seen so far (Hence, why he believed Goku was the Super Saiyan after comparing their respective performances against Frieza in combat). Were Goku not stronger to an impressive degree, Vegeta wouldn't have been so confident that he could win.
He was at a high enough level to anticipate & counter many of Frieza's attacks until he began fighting at 50% power, including the Death Beam (Vegeta could react to it but showed no capacity to directly block it like Goku did). He was quick enough to land the first hit against Frieza whereas Vegeta couldn't keep up with him once he started actually trying.
Even then, Frieza was barely trying against Vegeta overall, not needing anywhere near 50% power to outpace him. The one somewhat serious effort he displayed was kicking away Vegeta's full power blast. Even if Vegeta unlocked Super Saiyan, it would likely only have put him on barely equal footing with Frieza at most (much like when he was able to resist 1st form Frieza; It took a great deal of effort, but he held him back). Once Frieza charged up to 100%, he'd kill Vegeta for sure.
Even if Vegeta decided not to give Frieza time to power up, it's unlikely in my opinion that he'd be able to defeat, let alone kill him before he reached 100%. Frieza sent SS Goku flying via a two-handed kiai before he could react without using "even three quarters" of his full power. That same kiai would've most likely devastated or outright killed SS Vegeta.
SS is an awesome multiplier + stamina revitilizer. Ex- It gave Goku the energy to continue fighting with fresh vigor when he was physically exhausted and had very little ki left just moments before. But it comes down to how much the base form offers to multiply in the first place. Vegeta simply wasn't at a high enough level yet for SS to put him over the top.
No theire actually close in power,the only difference was the kaioken
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@@usuario15965 Their performances against Frieza showed otherwise long before Goku started using the Kaio-ken (No, there is no evidence that he started using it before the 2nd half of their battle, when they changed from aerial combat to the ground and Goku removed his gi's over-shirt; King Kai only referred to the Kaio-ken after that point).
Goku was outdoing Vegeta in every conceivable way by an impressive margin from the moment he arrived to face Frieza. He actually challenged, pressured, and injured the tyrant to the point that he was forced to use 50% to outdo his enemy. Vegeta didn't challenge Frieza anywhere near to the same degree even with his full speed & power.
You can say "Well, we don't know that Goku WASN'T using the Kaio-ken from the beginning", but the onus is on you to prove that he was using it before King Kai addressed it, not on me to prove that he wasn't. With or without the Kaio-ken, there was no comparison between Goku and Vegeta aside from Vegeta keeping up with Frieza's speed better and reacting to his Death Beam (again, until Frieza stopped playing). Granted, Frieza toyed with Goku too.
But he at least had to try harder against him, even in his 4th form. He didn't break a single sweat against Vegeta despite the Saiyan Prince's best efforts, not even when kicking away his max power blast. However you examine it, Toriyama wrote & drew Goku as being significantly superior to Vegeta from the very beginning of that battle.
Unless you cite evidence of Toriyama stating Goku & Vegeta were similar in power at this point, I'm not debating any further over what's plain to see in the original manga that the creator himself authored decades ago.
@@usuario15965No they are not. We have official power levels at this point in the show and Goku performed much better. Stop the Vegeta Glaze.
@@usuario15965vegeta was just slightly above frieza third form after the dende zenkai, he never stood any chance against final form frieza
Lets keep it real Vegeta would lose and his past behavior indicates he would let Freiza reach 100%.
1. Kaioken x3 goku
2. Zarbon
3.androids (letting them awake)
4. cell.
5.buu
Unfortunately I agree, even if he was strong enough he'd just be killed by Frieza and Goku would take over and we'd be back to how it was in canon
I disagree. SSJ Vegeta should be considerably stronger than Frieza until FP, and even then the gap between them isn’t that large and given Frieza’s stamina loss rate in the form, if Vegeta can survive for even tens of seconds he should be fine.
He'll bribe him pizza. Stuffed crust BTW. You can eat in reverse after all.
@@saulgoodmanskin Yes Vegeta is stronger than Freiza before full power but not only would his Ego cause him to lose Vegeta also loses pretty quickly to stronger opponents (Yes i know about kid buu).
@@reddroid8499 Frieza loses power in his FP form far too quick. Vegeta has proven time and time again to have insane durability and survive bat-shit insane stuff.
Even if Frieza went all-out I don’t know if he would have enough time to kill Vegeta before his power started spiralling.
In Dragon Ball Z, Vegeta is used as a tool to drive the plot. We very often see him grow significantly in strength only to lose to the final villain right before the "real hero" saves the day. In this way Vegeta is used to show how strong the final villain actually is, but he never wins against him. This happened with Frieza, the Androids, cell, and majin Buu. Many fans view it as an overused trick to a beloved character.
In my opinion Vegeta would win this fight. They are fighting at a level where power levels don't matter as much. Vegeta is a brilliant resourceful character who throughout the Namek Saga was fighting villains stronger than him.
True, in narrative especially if Toriyama wrote it he's not winning LMAO
@DecBird Yeah it's pretty ridiculous lol
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Quite the opposite, at this point in the story they are fighting where ONLY power level matters now, it has become about who has a bigger number, in dragon ball there was far more techniques and strategies
@@santi_super_stunts2573 That's a legitimate perspective. I remember thinking the same thing when I first watched the show. But the 5 hour+ fight between the z fighters and Frieza is supposed to show how power alone will not win the fight. Pretty sure Toriyama said this himself and that power levels aren't supposed to matter. I respect your take on this though.
7:18 the biggest kill count for Vegeta was blowing up Arlia in Saiyan saga before arriving to Earth.
I feel like he would absolutely let Frieza power up. Even ignoring the situation in the Cell Saga, it was *Vegeta* who goaded Frieza to go into his 2nd Form, Not Frieza.
Even if Vegeta is overpowering him initially, Frieza would play into this saying he isn’t using his full strength, and Vegeta would 100% fall into that trap and let him fully power up.
Yeah, ive seen the argument
Before they knew how to control its downsides (grade 4), super saiyan was an emotionally dangerous power-up, especially for the purebloods. Vegeta would one, not have the necessary power to beat 100% freeza like you said, and would two, fall victim to the egomaniacal frenzy that ssj brings on even harder than goku did due to his natural arrogance.
He would try and get the ultimate humiliation against his slaver and die miserably for it. Freeza takes this
Goku was, on the down low using kaioken too. Which can't be used with Super Sayain. So Goku with his skill and Kaioken makes his base performance make so much sense.
But yeah, Vegetas power level I think would be 100 mill.
Great video and a fun discussion
0:53 a pure heart is not required
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1:44 The Spirit Bomb also depleted Frieza's Power Level. Both of their Power Levels were depleted to some extent.
The only chance he was if before Frieza goes full power, but I doubt Vegeta would do that. Why do ppl think he can win? He literally couldn’t TOUCH Frieza before he would go super saiyan. Heck even Frieza kicked his max powered attack like nothing. Goku on the other hand got way more hits and did way better in his base form. I think the gap between Goku and Vegeta was way more than what ppl realize. The number for Vegeta at 2.4 million never made sense to me. Personally Vegeta is at 2-2.1 million for me.
well yes he did that but we know he was stronger than piccolo but weaker than goku. So his power level would have to be between 1M and 3M. And if you multiply 50 by either one of those frieza has to use 50% power at the very least
You’re forgetting Goku was using Kaoken against Frieza, but was doing it so briefly and intermittently that no-one could tell apart from Piccolo I think.
Base Goku was 20 times weaker than Final Form. Just to no diff someone in DB requires a pl difference of 1.5 times, never mind 20. Goku was using Kaoken.
Despite whatever headcanon you have, it’s canon he’s somewhat around as strong as Base Goku at this point. If he unlocked SSJ, he would neg diff Final Form, but he could get smoked by Full Power as long as Frieza doesn’t drag it out, but if he does, Vegeta wins the war of attrition.
He's stronger than xenomorph frieza
Toryama would just find a way to make frieza win still. So no vegeta would not get the W if he turned super saiyan
Toryama would just find a way to make frieza win still. So no vegeta would not get the W if he turned super saiyan
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It really depends on if vegeta power level has a super saiyan is at least above frieza at 50 percent and he finishes the job
Vegeta's durability is too high. He'd tire Frieza out, even if Frieza had 20M PL on him. 100% tires out Frieza way too much.
Yeah especially that time he got cut in half and still had energy to throw out a massive blast, and got beat up by broly for an entire hour, oh wait that was freeza. Vegeta doesn’t have shit on freeza in durability.
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I've always had Vegeta at 2 million when he fought Freeza in his final form, so I would agree with that part. There's also kind of a really solid chance that Vegeta actually wouldn't let Freeza power all the way up to 100%. It wouldn't make any sense for Vegeta to doubt Freeza's power or let him power up more again. He already did it once after he grappled with him in his first form. It would be lame for him to do it again for the same opponent.
Catch my drift? I hope that someone gets it.
given how vegeta was able to hold his own against kid buu when he was SIGNIFICANTLY weaker than him, and how he consistently showed his durability against tougher opponents, i think even if frieza powered up to 100%, vegeta would last long enough in the fight due to sheer rage and saiyan pride until frieza started losing energy and he could take the w on him
Goku got one of the, if not the, most insane OP power buffs in DBZ when he got healed on Namek. Vegeta certainly got a solid one, but nowhere near the 30x power boost Goku got.
I really wish he could have gotten his vengeance against Frieza in Resurrection F. He truly deserved it after everything he witnessed and experienced growing up and watching everyone he knew die and his planet be destroyed.
Here's my take, Vegeta is likely around 2 million maybe slightly above. Power level wise he would get around 100 or maybe a little above so yes if he let Frieza go to 100% he would be at a disadvantage. However something to note in especially in the Anime Freiza really struggles to hold that form the entire time he fights Goku at super saiyan he has to put a overdrive level into to land a hit. Goku pretty much just lets him waste himself down. So given that I would say this would be about like golden Freiza fighting Goku but with him having more obvious struggle against Vegeta before running out of steam. That is the worst case situation tho considering how Goku barley kept his cool Vegeta is about as likely to waste Freiza before he can power up further.
Ive also thought this at one point as well
I believe sayains have to be at certain power thresholds to reach super sayain forms so I don't know that Vegeta would have been at that threshold. If it just happens from reaching breaking points he could have done it while he was dying and started crying. Bardock could have while his planet was being destroyed, future trunks lost hope plenty of times in his timeline that he could have gone SSJ2. Future Gohan as well. Future Gohan lost everyone so he had plenty of Krillin gets blown up by Frieza moments. And the whole world being destroyed would have had plenty of breaking point moments as well.
Counterargument: the gap between vegeta's power and frieza's 100% is lower than the gap between goku's power and frieza's 100%. This would imply that the fight would last longer than in the original timeline where frieza ran out of energy. Vegeta would have been too smart and pessimistic to let frieza destroy namek before reaching 100%, frieza would have no need after 100%, and he would be too drained to think straight after the tides turn. Even disregarding all of this, I reject your assertion that 2.5 mil is too high for vegeta. Vegeta's confidence suggests he should be stronger than 3rd form frieza who could be argued to be 2 mil. Additionally, frieza likely started the fight stronger than his 3rd form putting him anywhere from 1.75 mil to 2.5 mil yet vegeta started off with the edge. It is very realistic for vegeta's power level to be anywhere from 2 mil to 2.5 mil.
I think both vegeta and goku had close enough max base PL but Goku can easily go up because he made the kaioken his regular aura hence why he could sorta keep up with frieza no problem until 50%.
I think SSJ vegeta would win but hed get his ass kicked for a while until Frieza got tired at 100%
your correct
also depends when he goes super saiyan i think
goku fought frieza a bunch and then spirit bombed him, but if vegeta goes SSJ right away the fight might go very different also frieza might have been done playing with vegeta as he had already been getting trolled by the prince already and goku was someone fresh he hadnt known about and was more curious in playing with. so frieza might behave way more aggro with vegeta who just transformed into frieza's worst fear. i think vegeta would lose sadly.
Here's why I say yeah during the cell saga he told sell "this is my son trunks if I would have managed to lose my son will finish you off" trunks is a time traveler so Goku would still have killed Frieza but he's just a subordinate if Vegeta would have wished he would travel in time to have finished the job himself, Goku never killed Frieza until after Trunks, Trunks is one of his best finishing moves giggity...
The issue is this.
When Goku went Super Sayain against Frieza, Frieza was at 50% power. In this case, Frieza would be at 2.5% at the time of Vegeta going Super Sayain. With that disparity in power, it would have only taken one proper below to kill or cripple Frieza. This could easily result in Frieza deing before he realised that he needed to power up.
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Honestly it depends on if Vegeta's hate for Frieza is stronger than his pride. If it is, I could see him doing everything in his power to obliterate Frieza, and even if Frieza's power level is higher, there's still a chance Vegeta could hit him with an attack that's strong enough to kill or seriously injure Frieza (Like the final flash with Cell, and Frieza can't regenerate like Cell can.) He has a chance to take it, but i think in the long run it was best that he didn't become a Super Saiyan until later.
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this guy "vegeta wouldn't let freeza go full power despite letting majin buu and cell"
vegeta vs frieza first form: "go full power, transform!"
this guy "namek vegeta is different"
vegeta vs zarbon 2nd fight "go full power, transform!"
Hes also ALOT stronger than Perfect Cell and Majin Buu combined.
He actually came back and killed Zarbon if u remember and quickly too.
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Considering the way he reacted to Goku not finishing off the ginyus (and him subsequently doing it himself) I imagine he’d go in for the kill right away.
Great video. Very good argument. I agree that Vegeta initially will have the power to beat Frieza but then make him reach full power and then lose...🤦🏽♂️
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The biggest thing everyone does not take into account is that Goku was struggling to stand up before he went SSJ and his power level is at 3million bruh that just does not add up. His body was past his limit. If Vegeta at full power went SSJ I think we can see a W in my book. Vegeta was also pissed off and full of rage I see an outcome of him no diffing Frieza. SSJ can have a power level boost of x50 but in that moment in the manga when the author wrote it SSJ was as strong as it needed to be and the guides came after.
Golden Frieza VS Super Saiyan Vegeta is NOT Close. Ahh video
Vegeta would’ve lost, when Vegeta was fighting final form Frieza he only had a power level between 1.5 and 2.4 mil. If he went Super Saiyan he’d be at 75 mil or the same level as full power Frieza
How many times have you reuploaded this video
1) You're forgetting the Zenkai Boosts that Vegeta and Goku both got, if you don't know each boost is 2/3 of their base power level. Vegeta exploits this and gains heaps but only enough to get him from near 40K to around 535K. Not only was he beaten by Zarbon, but The Ginyu Force as well. So taking this into account, his base state would cap at around 2,700,000 making his Super Saiyan power around 135,000,000, so no if Vegeta became a Super Saiyan on Namek instead of Goku the battle isn't even close.
2) Goku gets Zenkai Boosts throughout his entire fight with Frieza due to the Kaio-Ken putting all that strain on his body constantly, and on top of that he gets beaten up badly once and on top of that he used Kaio-Ken like a drug on The Ginyu Force. Goku was stronger than Vegeta, so his Zenkai Boosts would have made him stronger and raised his power level alot more. That coupled with Super Saiyan multiplier would still leave a significant gap in power Frieza being stronger - only slightly which is shown in the anime.
They are literally equal in power level (somewhat), some speculate vegeta to have 2.5 million power level, multiplied by 50 gives us 125000000 and frieza is 120000000
Believe me or not but goku was already at ssj grade 2 while fighting against the full power frieza
He wasnt tho he learnt it in rosat in cell saga
@aryanbhattacharya4238 watch closely. Compare his first transformation to the end of the battle with frieza. Its a joke, but it looks true
@@BonkGoofMan that i do agree with (tho everyone looked beefy back then remember tien?)
@aryanbhattacharya4238 basically, he was slowly growing muscles during the battle. At first he looked like ssj god when he achieved it. And when namek started destroying when there were only goku and frieza at namek he was buffed like trunks or vegeta in cell saga
@@aryanbhattacharya4238 yeah, but DBZ drawing was weird. Remember the faces issues? And these temporal steroids...
what i'm seeing a lot on the comments and something you said in the video is an underestimation of vegeta's fighting prowess, in pure skills he is on par with goku since they first fought, also 100% power FREEZA(ffs its about time people start spelling his name correctly) power drainage is absurd, and I think vegeta can survive him at 100% until he's drained to the point of even becoming weaker than vegeta(freeza's achiles heel was always his stamina, even the clown fiesta known as "super" acknowledged that, even worse than super saiyan 3's stamina problems/power drainage, and thats saying something), so yeah, its very likely super saiyan vegeta could beat freeza, and not, i'm not an huge fan of vegeta, as a matter of fact the best character in Z IMO is future trunks, no "letting your opponent get to full power", no "letting your opponent get away so he can get stronger and offer a better fight later" and mainly no stupid saiyan hubris and pride, just a scarred and jaded young man who hasn't got time for bullshit
It could really go anyway
Super Saiyan is not a multiplier.
Supersaiyan is a 50x multiplier. Always has been. Nothing to speculate. The same sources that tell us their base power levels when fighting frieza, say it's a 50x base power.
Vegeta thinking he's strong enough for final form Frieza automatically has him over 3rd form Frieza, who's over 2 mil
Pretty sure he could hold him untill Goku got there and Goku has Koken times 20 up his sleve. 100 million and 60 million guy not to mention the others against 120 million guy who should be tired af. A coin toss.
100% Namek Vegeta kills Freeza before Freeza powers up. That was his entire goal from the start of the Namek arc. If it went down to the wire then Vegeta loses. But Vegeta is a way better fighter than Freeza and if it's even close then Vegeta wins.
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Bro if Vegeta turned Super Saiyan he definitely beat frieza i mean look at what he did to Android 19 !!! Yall crazy 🤣
I don't agree with the assessment. Vegeta will 100% let freeza power up. He already let 1st form Frieza transform and even suggested him to do so. Vegeta reaching SSJ would make him cocky as hell. Much like with Cell he would allow Frieza to power up as soon as Frieza points out he could still beat Vegeta when he's at a 100%.
Your right I don’t think vegeta was at 2.4 mil like I said leaving earth his highest was 180,000 so let’s say by namek it was 360,000 and after krillin blasted him 540,000 so when He fought against freiza a little higher than 540,000
Not even close for this would be like at minimum 10x stronger, still got me to click tho so
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i think to have achieved the super sayian transformation on namek hed have needed another zenkai or 2 to achieve that level of power
Not necessarily, Super Saiyan is achieved by witnessing/undergoing a traumatic event that draws out the Saiyan's full power by harnessing/focusing it through rage as a motivator.
goku was using kio ken remember
Vegeta still wins since he would get a zenkai boost After
Ge got beaten to the Mountain
But without the death beam in this what if
Gokus power level was below 3 Millionen before he became a ssj so his power was not 150 Millionen
Thats why it was a equall fight
Frieza would have still killed him.
Frieza was destroyed by ssj vegeta in sparking zero
3:32 I’d definitely say Vegeta is the better fighter of the two. Vegeta has not only trained more, he’s put himself on the frontline of intense battles more than Frieza. Frieza never trained until Resurrection of F.
Vegeta also hadnt trained ever as he fully belived in his power from birth as an elite he did however fight a lot more and was more experienced since he while strong still had to fight while someone else sat on his chair and death beamed anything in his way
can you imagine vegeta just going super saiyan, the transformation of legend he grew up with his entire life, for his moment of triumph, and being scared of freeza saying "let me go 100%", no he would let him
i do agree with you that freeza would just blow up the planet if he had to, vegeta has a different effect psychologically on goku -- goku is a martial artist and he triggers the martial artist's pride in his enemies (including vegeta), which makes them want to beat goku in a straight up fight instead of just blowing up the planet and calling it a day. vegeta on the other hand doesnt have that same purity so they act like him, just wanting to win
Seems pretty close to me
vegeta would never win against frieza even if he was ssj3 because he's not the main character. Goku team defeats frieza, cell and buu. Vegeta lost against all 3. Vegeta loses every single time in the movies too. It's goku that wins the day
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Ik be4 vegeta left earth his power level at its highest was 180,000 thats after the great ape
It would be the most brutal battle
He would’ve still lost.
The same thing that happened in Resurrection F would surely happen in the namek saga if vegeta went super saiyn
I can see that
Short answer: Frieza wins
Full power Frieza had a power level of 120,000,000 but super Saiyan vegeta would only be 26,500,000, so Frieza wins
I’m guessing you didn’t watch the video before your random vegeta number
Frieza's true power was closer to 200,000,000 at the end and Goku's was around 180,000,000 the difference was small though because certain techniques amped-up their (mainly Goku's) power in order to surpass the other with Goku winning due to his Saiyan biology/genetics.
@@matthewgraham3330 erm actually, vegeta’s power level was 530,000 at the end of the Namek arc, and since the Saiyan multiplier is x50, that would be his power level
@@funnyfroggy-xy2pyhuh? Vegetas power level on namek was about 2.5Mil.. vegeta only matched first form frieza prior to the zenkai from krillin
@@ImJsB1 where the hell did you get 2.5 million, maybe in the cell saga at the START, but definitely not on Namek
ssj vergueta is not even close to 120 millions
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Vegeta would lose
vegeta with super saiyan would be 106 million
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honestly i think vegeta can beat frieza if he went ssj if any of yall remember goku power level was extremely low and could barely stand yet when he goes ssj he was above frieza tht must mean the ssj boost is stronger than what the daizenzuu said and vegeta would be a fresh ssj he would be massively above frieza and would smoke him before he even power up he hates frieza with a burning passion
A Freezer was cut in half when that happen....
Hold on, at that point Vegeta isn't 'fresh' either, think he was in many life-threatening battles on Namek. As for Goku each time you use Kaio-Ken it multiplied his power level that he previously had by 4 until he all of a sudden did it by 10 then when he absolutely snapped by 20. Plus the added Zenkais he received prom putting his body past its limits multiple times and if you remember DBZ law The Kaio-Ken uses the 'Genki'/Life force of the user each time it's overused and pushed beyond the 'safe' limit.