I love that one of Goku's routes is dedicated to my favorite interpretation of the power of friendship: beating the shit out of your opps with some extra hands.
I do love the father son final flash what if so much because of Vegeta asking where Trunks got that technique from, Trunks going "I got it from watching you" and Vegeta shutting it down instantly, pulling Trunks up by stating that he learned it on his own. Like, damn. That is actual what if vegeta writing that understands the character. It's rare to happen, but I love it.
@@RebelTrooperHoth "I knew it! Vegeta introduced my meme into the spanish speaking community so that latinos and americans would be too busy fighting to fight back against him so that he could take over Earth! I'LL NEVER FORGIVE HIM!"
@@iguanaboi3921 No no, they join forces and when the heroes come after them and push them in to a corner, they use the potara and fuse in to an evil maybe SS4 or Rosé Vegito. Without the Kais there Goku and Vegeta have to use the fusion dance so we get SSB Gogeta for the final fight.
What I feel should've happened with Freeza's tournament of power what if is put them all together. If you count them all - Freeza, King Cold, Cooler, Zarbon, Dodoria and the Ginyu Force, you will have 10 members. Enough to fill the entire team. Just have this be the what if where the Freeza Family and the Freeza Force run havoc across the tournament of power. Maybe even have them fight for power amongst each other who gets to make the final wish. I mean I'm happy that Cooler is even there, I am a massive Cooler fanboy. And clearly whoever wrote the what if stories is too, because him being the only movie character even in the story mode is kinda insane.
I thought the music playing in the background was just my subconscious filling in the blanks until I turned up the volume Bumbles really tempted God with that licensed music for the sake of the bit
35:19 Tien: I KNEW IT! YOU MADE MACBUMBLES SAY YOU WERE HIS FAVORITE CHARACTER SO YOU'LL HAVE IT EASIER TO MAKE AN ARMY TO BETRAY US! I WON'T FORGIVE YOU! Vegeta: What the fuck are you talking abo- Tien: KIIIIIICK!
I think the Gohan Black was WAY better than the anime and manga versions of the Goku Black arc, in my opinion. Not only this made Gohan a more pragmatic character, actively preparing for the worst at the first chance he got rather than taking Beerus’s word at face value about the erasure of Zamasu like the anime, but not only did he learn the Evil Containment Wave, but actually succeeded in using the technique, which was the key factor to victory and actually saving Trunks’s timeline, saving us from another garbage, meaningless ending! This also doesn’t undermine Trunks’s theme; that together, mortals can overcome difficult odds, even if said obstacles are gods, but Zamasu almost merging with the universe, and needing Grand Zeno(the God of Gods) coming in and erasing everything, including Trunks’s home, just takes a dump on all that and made the entire arc pointless!
8:03 Goku Black's LOOK HOW AWESOME THIS SCENARIO IS Budget was blown on that One Dragon Ball Sprite Animator's What If Series where he teamed up with Baby from GT and fought SSJ4 Broly and other cool things.
Finally. Another Jiren enjoyer. Similar to you, I also grew to like Jiren. Maybe it's because I wanted to go against the grain, maybe it's because that fight in ToP was pretty baller, maybe it's because I watch too much Dotodoya, but regardless, the big gray guy won me over.
Please, I just want the Pilaf Machine. Why must all Dragonball games refuse to give me the Pilaf Machine. WE GOT DOCTOR WHEELO BEFORE WE GOT THE PILAF MACHINE. Edit 2: I no longer JUST want the Pilaf Machine. I also want a Future Gohan What If? Something like "What if Future Trunks died instead of Future Gohan", and then Gohan's the one that goes back in time, kills Mecha Frieza, warns about the androids, and then has to deal with Goku Black.
There's some minor evidence that there's a possibility of added ones in future updates, but so far it looks like more minor stuff like Krillin, Yamcha, and maybe 17 or something.
Android 17 story where you play as Super 17 and beat the shit out of the GT Fighters EDIT: waitwaitwait what if you get the option to resist Hell Fighter 17s influence and join the Z Fighters against the Shadow Dragons
Screw it, I want a Beerus story mode and "what ifs." What if he woke up early? What if he became weaker and could actually fight? What if he had to step in? I just think Beerus is cool and would like to see more of him and I hate that he's mostly on the sidelines.
"Dragon Ball is the only anime that gets away with having an arena fighter" Gundam Exteme Vs would like to know your location, and would like to know when 2 Fullboost will get its American console port, Bamco.
46:48 At this point, are they just ENTIRELY taking the piss with Gohan? Like, I know Gohanverse isn't exactly a popular series, but now I'm just wondering why tf TWO Gohan forms were community things first. IN A ROW.
Here is a cool what if they could have done for goku black/zamazu that leans off the "them turning against each other" idea, and if the Zamazu who kept his body realizes that he is in the wrong, think about it: that version of Zamazu never got the trigger that pushed him over the edge like Goku black did just a general grudge against them so it makes sense he could he swayed into betraying goku black in over to save his own soul then you can have him lose his kai position and to try to fix what he has done wonder the galaxy trying to be a protector for mortals instead of its destroyer maybe even have him appear in the tournament of power since he isn't a kai anymore
See, the thing is, you could make that work the other way as well: What if being in a mortal's body for so long has given Black his own warped appreciation for mortal life to the point where he no longer wishes to see it wiped out and that's what sparks the turn on Zamazu? You're not necessarily making Black a full-on good guy with that (or at least not right away, given a lot of Dragon Ball bad guys find SOME form of redemption) but he spares what remains/uses the Super Dragon Balls to bring everyone he killed back because he wants to see if other mortals can become strong enough to challenge him in the future. More of a Cell but one able to think long-term instead of "give me good fight now or I blow up everything immediately". And then you can have him show up in the ToP either in the place of Freeza (because his body is from U7) or making Universe 10 more of a genuine threat during the event (because his soul is from there).
its absolutely reasonable that goku's zenkai from nappa would make him on the same level. zenkai boosts work on a "well you gotta catch up to whoever's really strong that moment" logic. That's how the zenkais conveniently have vegeta be strong enough to handle 3rd form frieza but the moment he goes into his final form, vegeta gets washed
I really hope new story characters or additional sparking episode content is part of the future of this game. It'd be such a good way to add new content with new characters or just seeing other characters in the story mode take the reigns. I feel stuff like Early Goku with super saiyan or more prominantly with Gohan Black (and Gohan hair fused Zamasu) show that they're not afraid to create new character versions. Though I'm sure there's a limit on what they can do from people above them.
@@samueljackson5436 yeah, it's a step in the right direction, I would love it if they could do more with it though. Imagine if Gohan Black and the early SSJ forms had their own unique rush attacks and ultimate moves to really sell the differences and make them unique. Totally original animations, like what the Heroes arcade game did after a while.
I absolutely love the concept of Frieza retreating so much there was a complete AU written and made into a audio series where he makes his own squad and basically become bounty hunters, I can’t remember what it’s called but it’s out there for you to search up “what if frieza became a good guy”
Kind of sad in all honesty that Black, like you said, is the worst out, and it's pretty confusing as to why they even bothered with it. Hell, the idea of a time traveler who wants to complete the Zero Mortals Plan or get stronger sounds cool. The fights that could be had is endless! But it just... "What if... I locked in." OR "What if... I locked in... with selfcest?" Honesty, the idea you proposed with Black getting angry and leads to them having an altercation sounds cool but I honestly would change it somewhat slightly. Black would try and kill Zamasu or at least strip him of his time ring and earrings before leaving him stranded in the dead timeline. Black then goes up the pecking order, fighting Jiren to prove himself as the strongest before going up to Beerus and Whis.
I really wish Gohan Black was available as a skin for either Gohan or Goku Black. One of many costumes that're just inexplicably not available to use in the game (BUU SAGA KRILLIN, ORANGE GI TEEN GOHAN, DRIVING OUTFITS FOR GOKU AND PICCOLO)
I've always loved the ideas of "What If" stories, And while my only real experience with the series is with the Xenoverse series. Even then, I had the idea for a massive DLC or major part of a possible sequel, Where the player Time Patroler could side with, Experience the worlds of, And even see the end result of winning with, Each of the Universes of the ToP. And I ain't just talking about the big 3, 6 7 and 11, No. ALL of the universes. From being a part of the mother of all underdog stories, For THE underdog universe with Uni-9, To seeing how being "The universe Zamasu was from" is affecting Uni-10, To the spiritual successor of the Ginyu force comic relief fest that is Uni-2. It'd be really interesting to get a deeper look into each of the universes. The Tournament of Power, And the What-ifs that come with the possibilities of each universe winning is ripe for this kind of stuff.
The one problem with the Frieza What If: it wouldn't work in-universe. Frieza couldn't have revived his forces, as multi-person revives by the dragon balls have a 1 year time limit. He'd have needed to go to namek and spend an Earth year's worth of wishes for them (Namekian years are four months, King Cold, Cooler, Ginyu Force, Zarbon and Dodoria makes 9 people thus 3 rounds of 3 wishes. Actually kinda perfect now I think about it)
Its Bumbles Saturday!! Plus Dragon Ball (and Naruto) have the fun on having a bajillion versions and random characters. I like the what ifs and hope they add more. Also give me General White!
Your idea for the Goku Black what-if where Goku Black forces Zamasu into fusion after beating him into submission, becoming more like Goku as they then go on to the Tournament of Power. Hell, they could even have it unlock an alternate skin for Fused Zamasu that uses Goku Black as the base, representing how one half of the fusion has taken control, and they're no longer as united as Zamasu thought. Hell, maybe have there be two endings for this what-if saga. One where they win the tournament of power and fulfill their original desire to wipe out all the mortals, and one where their thirst for battle is greater than their desire to wipe out all mortals, and they wish everyone back purely for the sake of fighting them, justifying it to themselves as "playing with their food"
I really wish they would have just made the Tournament of Power in Friezas path with ALL of the Frieza force. Bring Cooler, King Cold, Zarbon and Dodoria, and The Ginyu force. Sure it doesnt make sense but its a Frieza what if, make him be the center and have Frieza revive all the universes because he wants to invade them all now that he knows his force is strong enough to take it all over.
I really feel the nigh impossible to navigate dream battle creator is so they can sell more what if stories as DLC further down the line. Which, I mean, I kinda hope they do since holy shit this game need more singleplayer contents
You know, despite you being such a big DBZ fan and the previous videos, this was still a nice surprise of a video to see hit, I'll be eager to watch your thoughts, figuring some of the obvious choices for rankings. I'll share mine as well! :) Goku Black: Yeah, I can see the reasoning here, and I like that your thoughts were similar to mine; I figured a what-if would involve them not fusing, but that they didn't take it a step further and open the possibility of the two disagreeing/fighting is a missed chance. Yeah, they're the "same" person, but are they really? Jiren: I like your observations helping give a little more insight into what's going down in his changes, and having a manga fight be a part of a main story like that is neat, given the manga's issues with ability to be represented in games, but yeah, by virtue of how little there is to do with him, he was never gonna rank high. Piccolo: Yeah...I knew he would end up hitting this side of the ranking, just because so little changes overall. The only real difference is 16 seemingly surviving, and it's totally incidental. His short thing of killing Cell early and stalemating 17 is more of a deviation, and it's a low-budget version of Goku's! (You say Majin Piccolo as one idea, but how's this for another? Staying on Namek after Frieza's beaten to help Namekians, and then Slug shows up? Frieza being the only one to show a movie character, and in a capacity that doesn't adhere to the movie's story itself, is another showing of missed potential, I feel.) Frieza: Frieza's, I think, feels the most...novel, I guess? It's certainly unique, and the ToP stuff is a cool gimmick with all its own branches, so it kinda does more than what a villain victory tends to do like the early victory does. It's definitely a good sign of creative thinking, to say the least. Guess that's what happens when you're the only playable villain story that has more than one saga's worth of presence. (Also your what-if is pretty similar to my thoughts, Mecha Frieza beating Trunks, the Z-Warriors, then deciding to rebel against King Cold now that he's truly the most powerful ever and etc.)
Vegeta: Vegeta's really hits on some of the story beats that seem the most obvious to be done, more or less, The one with Trunks seems like something that should have taken place in a game long ago, and the other is a pretty basic choice, but with a decent twist in gameplay at least. Again, sad that it can't give us Vegeta winning over SSJ3, but what can you do, eh? Goku: There he is. The one that showed they were definitely banking a lot on using the first character you play as to draw people into trying the rest to see what the story changes are. Kinda funny that two of the biggest what-ifs both stem from the very first fight in Z. Makes some sense; I feel the earlier you are in the Z saga, the more room for changes there are overall. (Dang it with the Tien meme, Bumbles, you took me out with that one! XD) Not much to say about them overall, except that I feel they did a pretty good job on making sure Goku had some of the more entertaining ideas. Trunks: Not bad to give some decent what-if stuff to someone who's entirely focused around the Goku Black starting point, huh? Still seems a weird decision to me to not include Cell Saga, even if they didn't branch anything off of it. Still, I like how it's almost universally agreed what's there in that what-if is a really nice take on the two sagas, if not an improvement for a lot of people. Trunks finally gets some much-deserved love. Gohan: Who else could it be, right? I remember when the first screenshot of Gohan Black came and people were scrambling to figure out if it was real or not, just because it was that much out there. (And here's hoping a future update makes that a playable version some day!) If not for the DLC, there's even a moment that seemed ripe for making Beast appear early as well. Overall, for only having one major What If, they went all-out on making sure it was memorable, possibly even more so than people's thoughts on finally seeing the Goku/Gohan fusion happen as the what-if. I can agree with your rankings pretty strongly, and definitely agree with hoping for more content. There's some hints it's possible, with empty fight nodes in the timeline corresponding to stuff like Krillin and Yamcha, plus an entire empty saga between Goku Black and the ToP--whatever that could be--so here's hoping DLC or free updates give us some more to work with!
39:32 not even mentioning the fake out he does where he lays down for a bit like he’s defeated, then springs back up and explodes on you for an instant kill
One thing I'm disappointed with this game is the exclusion of older what if characters that I love like Gokule and Tiencha who both haven't been seen outside of mobile games since Budokai 2.
Honestly the gohan what if story in this game is just more proof that gohan could have worked as a main character, and should have been the main character after his dad's death. its one toriyama's biggest mistakes gohan is far more intersting of a character then modern goku is
update wishlist for sparking zero: gohan black and super saiyan vegeta (saiyan saga) as playable characters. hell, they could be bonus content in the current dlc.
30:27 FINALLY! Somebody GETS IT! also, Something I don't think people get about in universe power scaling for dragon ball is that super saiyan is more of a set level of power on a chart based on what SSJ level can kill what villain, Despite sources calling it a multiplier, writing-wise in games, movies and even the tv shows, they don't really see it that way
Seeing Gohan Black in Sparking Zero's What If story is one of the craziest things I've ever seen here. I mean they did a great job making Gohan amazing again. This is the Gohan we all wanted to see years ago.
Now, Mr. McFumbles, I don't know if you take review requests or anything like that anymore, but at some point, it'd be really funny if you looked at Rascal for the PS1. No special reason why 🗿
I’ll be honest, I’ve never fully gotten into Dragonball. Sure, something something DBZA, and my friend has been a Xenoverse stan since day one, but it’s never quite been for me. Doesn’t mean I won’t be absolutely enthralled this entire video.
The reason I think Dragon ball can get away with Arena fighters is because of what it means for the roster With a standard 2D fighter you know the roster is going to be VERY limited for balance and fan favorites just won't be there New gen Shonen's already have cast so small that they don't really justify not just being a 2D fighter The only one's that really could are MHA (which got one but didn't bother actually fleshing out their cast for people to care that they got in) and Black Clover (which hasn't gotten a fighting game at all)
Wish you mentioned the Goku vs 16 fight having a jump scare in it, I saw so much clips of people thinking it was over after 16 falls down and doesn’t get back up for several seconds, only for him to instantly kill them
Honestly the most disappointing what-if is Goku Black, cause I feel it could be a Jiren what-if but more. Like what if Goku Black betrayed Zamasu because he got a change of heart or Zamasu betrayed Goku Black because shit and/or giggles or hell make it like a Trunks what-if and make Goku Black/Fuses Zamasu part of the ToP
@@ShadowKnux372Not listening to Goku and killing Vegeta at the pod would be a big one Also what if he managed to avoid Freeza's grab and didn't die on Namek
@@ShadowKnux372 What if he trained with King Kai and learned Kaioken after he died during original Dragon Ball. Start with the Krillin vs Piccolo fight at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai (which is his first fight after he gets resurrected, and also the first fight we ever see Z's Piccolo in), let that lead into Krillin vs Goku at the end of that tournament, and then Krillin and Goku vs Raditz at the start of Z. Instead of Goku dying to a Special Beam Canon he was holding Raditz still for, it's a Destructo Disc, and then Krillin is the one that trains Kid Gohan (or maybe he takes him to Master Roshi's for training). Kaioken Krillin is still not as strong as Kaioken Goku, but he's enough stronger than Canon Krillin that he and the other Z-Fighters may be able to fend off Nappa long enough for Goku to arrive before the other Z-fighters die, preventing the Namek saga from happening. FIN.
34:05 actually, that one makes a lot of sense when you consider that Vegeta probably fought Frieza in his 1st form only. Vegeta had a power level of 20k after the fight against Goku. Since super saiyan is a 50x multiplier, that’d give him a power of 1 million. Which would let him wipe the floor with frieza, with a power of 530k.
With what you said with time travel it makes me think what if it wasn’t Goku Black but Zamasu Like start with Zamasu Vs Goku but if you beat him quickly Zamasu decides to expand his search across time picking between several characters that have beaten/killed Goku or are/were stronger than Goku at one point. This could give something cool like, for example, Broly Black or jokes like Raditz Black
All the criticisms you levied against the Goku Black What If are just the same issues the Goku Black arc had in DBS. "You're stuck in a loop of the same fights, over and over and over again. Never changing, never improving, just a chore from beginning to end." It's the arc where everyone jobs to Goku Black, licks their wounds, jobs to Goku Black some more, rinse and repeat until deus ex machina. It was one of the worst seasons of Super, and that counts the two seasons where the animators were stuck reanimating the first two movies but stretched for time. Vegito appearing and Zamasu's and Fused Zamasu's pompous writing were the only good points, which is a shame such a peak villain was wasted on such a bad arc of "whoops I forgot the macguffin, lets go job again." The manga was better, though.
At the end of the games run we're gonna have all 80 fighters from the Tournament of Power, all the Gods of Destruction, all the Angels, and so on and so forth.
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I love that one of Goku's routes is dedicated to my favorite interpretation of the power of friendship: beating the shit out of your opps with some extra hands.
Similar to Bowser vs Eggman
What ifs summarised:
What if [CHARACTER] locked TF in
And once in a while "what if [CHARACTER] had a brain"
@@wadespencer3623what if: we just ignore the Buu Saga because no one likes the Buu Saga
@@soulcyclone360what if: Super 17 was concieved
@@IDoNotLikeFutureTrunks what if: Super just didn't happen up until the TOP arc.
*Cue the "You make my heartburn" meme*
This mode taught me one important thing.
Fan-fiction from a character-writing standpoint is pretty fun.
it is!
yup
Love the bad ass Tien edit jump scares along with I Hate Everything About You quietly playing in the background
I do love the father son final flash what if so much because of Vegeta asking where Trunks got that technique from, Trunks going "I got it from watching you" and Vegeta shutting it down instantly, pulling Trunks up by stating that he learned it on his own.
Like, damn. That is actual what if vegeta writing that understands the character. It's rare to happen, but I love it.
48:11
Whoah, i can't believe Bumbles McFumbles, famous youtuber said that. That's Zamasu's word!
Before I clicked the time stamp, I really thought this was about me saying Mortal
It's all on how you pronounce the "e"
The “eh” save your ass🙏😭
35:19 as someone from the Spanish speaking community, see you using the "vegeta nos va a traicionar" Tien got a chuckle out of me.
It became a big meme in the community as a whole with the bad ass Tien edit
@@RebelTrooperHoth "I knew it! Vegeta introduced my meme into the spanish speaking community so that latinos and americans would be too busy fighting to fight back against him so that he could take over Earth!
I'LL NEVER FORGIVE HIM!"
"What if Goku Black went to the GT Timeline?" would have gone hard
Yeah, and he fights baby Vegeta so we can have the Goku body snatched fight the Vegeta body snatcher
@@iguanaboi3921 No no, they join forces and when the heroes come after them and push them in to a corner, they use the potara and fuse in to an evil maybe SS4 or Rosé Vegito. Without the Kais there Goku and Vegeta have to use the fusion dance so we get SSB Gogeta for the final fight.
What I feel should've happened with Freeza's tournament of power what if is put them all together. If you count them all - Freeza, King Cold, Cooler, Zarbon, Dodoria and the Ginyu Force, you will have 10 members. Enough to fill the entire team.
Just have this be the what if where the Freeza Family and the Freeza Force run havoc across the tournament of power. Maybe even have them fight for power amongst each other who gets to make the final wish.
I mean I'm happy that Cooler is even there, I am a massive Cooler fanboy. And clearly whoever wrote the what if stories is too, because him being the only movie character even in the story mode is kinda insane.
Frieza, bro. Idk who Freeza is 😂
@@dustyri04 He's spelled differently depending on your dub, bro. Might wanna learn more about other people before just having a goof, bro 🤣
@NurseValentineSG nah, I'd have a goof. Shit you could look it up and its mostly Frieza 💀
And the best part is? They could win. Ginyu needs to bodyswap with Jiren, but they could win.
@@archmagemc3561 i prefer the much funnier idea of taking Hit out, and then Guldo stops time and just starts pushing people off the arena
love the running joke of showing Gohan gameplay when talking about disappointment to tease us
It's kind of amazing that a What-if story is kicked off by the Z-fighters learning to work together by bonding over kicking the crap out of Raditz.
5:46 Honestly, a Mr. Satan Black sounds WAY too good to be true 😂
The closest we get in Xenoverse when Mira boosts his power and makes him go all villainous. I think he's a super boss actually
The Tien flashbangs had me holding my sides from laughing
I thought the music playing in the background was just my subconscious filling in the blanks until I turned up the volume
Bumbles really tempted God with that licensed music for the sake of the bit
Let's be honest, Gohan Black is gonna be ranked very highly.
It’s a given.
And yet they couldn’t think of a name that wasn’t just black
@@korhol2065 do you want him to legally change his name to Blohan or what
It's honestly the quality of story the other routes needed
@@evilevilcritter i love goack
35:19
Tien: I KNEW IT! YOU MADE MACBUMBLES SAY YOU WERE HIS FAVORITE CHARACTER SO YOU'LL HAVE IT EASIER TO MAKE AN ARMY TO BETRAY US! I WON'T FORGIVE YOU!
Vegeta: What the fuck are you talking abo-
Tien: KIIIIIICK!
i hate everything about you! why do i love you!!! 🗣️🔥
35:43 You know I genuinely forgot that Chiaotzu was pushing 40. Because god damn.
Same....I need to rewatch Dragon ball.
He’s in his FIFTIES at the end of Z
Another drop in the bucket of "Just make Cooler canon already!"
The Gohan Black arc gets even better when you realize…Gohan Black was predicted several years ago just like Gohan Blanco.
Gohan Ne-
Vermind xP
I think the Gohan Black was WAY better than the anime and manga versions of the Goku Black arc, in my opinion. Not only this made Gohan a more pragmatic character, actively preparing for the worst at the first chance he got rather than taking Beerus’s word at face value about the erasure of Zamasu like the anime, but not only did he learn the Evil Containment Wave, but actually succeeded in using the technique, which was the key factor to victory and actually saving Trunks’s timeline, saving us from another garbage, meaningless ending! This also doesn’t undermine Trunks’s theme; that together, mortals can overcome difficult odds, even if said obstacles are gods, but Zamasu almost merging with the universe, and needing Grand Zeno(the God of Gods) coming in and erasing everything, including Trunks’s home, just takes a dump on all that and made the entire arc pointless!
8:03 Goku Black's LOOK HOW AWESOME THIS SCENARIO IS Budget was blown on that One Dragon Ball Sprite Animator's What If Series where he teamed up with Baby from GT and fought SSJ4 Broly and other cool things.
@@mitchellalexander9162 the goat Hyourinjutsu has been mentioned!
Finally. Another Jiren enjoyer. Similar to you, I also grew to like Jiren. Maybe it's because I wanted to go against the grain, maybe it's because that fight in ToP was pretty baller, maybe it's because I watch too much Dotodoya, but regardless, the big gray guy won me over.
a while back my friend made a bunch of Tien edits, it was a big joke in our group. hearing that song every time Tien is on screen was just too funny
I will always say it
Jiren gets set up to finally be interesting and expanded upon
Then gets nothing but Heroes cameos after
1:20 My brother, the world's biggest Tao Pai-Pai fan, would disagree.
A title I doubt he will be losing any time soon
I said the phrase “awww that is adorable,” several times at the oddly wholesome ways some of these what ifs work out
Please, I just want the Pilaf Machine.
Why must all Dragonball games refuse to give me the Pilaf Machine.
WE GOT DOCTOR WHEELO BEFORE WE GOT THE PILAF MACHINE.
Edit 2: I no longer JUST want the Pilaf Machine. I also want a Future Gohan What If? Something like "What if Future Trunks died instead of Future Gohan", and then Gohan's the one that goes back in time, kills Mecha Frieza, warns about the androids, and then has to deal with Goku Black.
Yeah where's Pilaf and his flunkies? Or half of the Red Ribbon Army?
Fingers crossed more story campaigns are added with dlc at some point. I know there probably won't, but a man can dream, right?
Future Gohan storyline so he can survive
Yamcha storyline where it’s just him owning every major villain and being the worlds strongest
@@braedenmclean5304what if Yamcha was in The TOP instead of Freiza.
There's some minor evidence that there's a possibility of added ones in future updates, but so far it looks like more minor stuff like Krillin, Yamcha, and maybe 17 or something.
Android 17 story where you play as Super 17 and beat the shit out of the GT Fighters
EDIT: waitwaitwait what if you get the option to resist Hell Fighter 17s influence and join the Z Fighters against the Shadow Dragons
Screw it, I want a Beerus story mode and "what ifs."
What if he woke up early?
What if he became weaker and could actually fight?
What if he had to step in?
I just think Beerus is cool and would like to see more of him and I hate that he's mostly on the sidelines.
"Dragon Ball is the only anime that gets away with having an arena fighter"
Gundam Exteme Vs would like to know your location, and would like to know when 2 Fullboost will get its American console port, Bamco.
Us Zoids fan wish you well in your endeavors.
I'm here listening to Bumbles' Dragon Ball Fanfiction proposals and I'm all here for it.
46:48 At this point, are they just ENTIRELY taking the piss with Gohan?
Like, I know Gohanverse isn't exactly a popular series, but now I'm just wondering why tf TWO Gohan forms were community things first. IN A ROW.
Plot twist: one of the design team members is a fan of that series most likely.
25:21 I think MasakoX made a story video about this topic(I think it's called, "What if Frieza became a hero")
Here is a cool what if they could have done for goku black/zamazu that leans off the "them turning against each other" idea, and if the Zamazu who kept his body realizes that he is in the wrong, think about it: that version of Zamazu never got the trigger that pushed him over the edge like Goku black did just a general grudge against them so it makes sense he could he swayed into betraying goku black in over to save his own soul then you can have him lose his kai position and to try to fix what he has done wonder the galaxy trying to be a protector for mortals instead of its destroyer maybe even have him appear in the tournament of power since he isn't a kai anymore
See, the thing is, you could make that work the other way as well: What if being in a mortal's body for so long has given Black his own warped appreciation for mortal life to the point where he no longer wishes to see it wiped out and that's what sparks the turn on Zamazu? You're not necessarily making Black a full-on good guy with that (or at least not right away, given a lot of Dragon Ball bad guys find SOME form of redemption) but he spares what remains/uses the Super Dragon Balls to bring everyone he killed back because he wants to see if other mortals can become strong enough to challenge him in the future. More of a Cell but one able to think long-term instead of "give me good fight now or I blow up everything immediately". And then you can have him show up in the ToP either in the place of Freeza (because his body is from U7) or making Universe 10 more of a genuine threat during the event (because his soul is from there).
its absolutely reasonable that goku's zenkai from nappa would make him on the same level. zenkai boosts work on a "well you gotta catch up to whoever's really strong that moment" logic. That's how the zenkais conveniently have vegeta be strong enough to handle 3rd form frieza but the moment he goes into his final form, vegeta gets washed
What if Goku purchased fast food and disguised it as his own cooking?
Delightfully devilish, Son Goku
There's a what if that would be interesting.
What if Fu notices you doing what if scenarios.
I really hope new story characters or additional sparking episode content is part of the future of this game. It'd be such a good way to add new content with new characters or just seeing other characters in the story mode take the reigns. I feel stuff like Early Goku with super saiyan or more prominantly with Gohan Black (and Gohan hair fused Zamasu) show that they're not afraid to create new character versions. Though I'm sure there's a limit on what they can do from people above them.
@@samueljackson5436 yeah, it's a step in the right direction, I would love it if they could do more with it though. Imagine if Gohan Black and the early SSJ forms had their own unique rush attacks and ultimate moves to really sell the differences and make them unique. Totally original animations, like what the Heroes arcade game did after a while.
I absolutely love the concept of Frieza retreating so much there was a complete AU written and made into a audio series where he makes his own squad and basically become bounty hunters, I can’t remember what it’s called but it’s out there for you to search up “what if frieza became a good guy”
By masakox, right?
@ bingo that’s the one, it’s a good what if
Kind of sad in all honesty that Black, like you said, is the worst out, and it's pretty confusing as to why they even bothered with it.
Hell, the idea of a time traveler who wants to complete the Zero Mortals Plan or get stronger sounds cool. The fights that could be had is endless! But it just... "What if... I locked in." OR "What if... I locked in... with selfcest?"
Honesty, the idea you proposed with Black getting angry and leads to them having an altercation sounds cool but I honestly would change it somewhat slightly. Black would try and kill Zamasu or at least strip him of his time ring and earrings before leaving him stranded in the dead timeline. Black then goes up the pecking order, fighting Jiren to prove himself as the strongest before going up to Beerus and Whis.
I really wish Gohan Black was available as a skin for either Gohan or Goku Black. One of many costumes that're just inexplicably not available to use in the game (BUU SAGA KRILLIN, ORANGE GI TEEN GOHAN, DRIVING OUTFITS FOR GOKU AND PICCOLO)
35:55 The big difference is that Piccolo remembered to hit his vital organs this time. All of them!
I like how Future Trunks doesn’t even have his canon ending, the “normal” route has his universe saved
I've always loved the ideas of "What If" stories, And while my only real experience with the series is with the Xenoverse series. Even then, I had the idea for a massive DLC or major part of a possible sequel, Where the player Time Patroler could side with, Experience the worlds of, And even see the end result of winning with, Each of the Universes of the ToP. And I ain't just talking about the big 3, 6 7 and 11, No. ALL of the universes.
From being a part of the mother of all underdog stories, For THE underdog universe with Uni-9, To seeing how being "The universe Zamasu was from" is affecting Uni-10, To the spiritual successor of the Ginyu force comic relief fest that is Uni-2. It'd be really interesting to get a deeper look into each of the universes.
The Tournament of Power, And the What-ifs that come with the possibilities of each universe winning is ripe for this kind of stuff.
NEWSFLASH BUDDY: IT’S ALWAYS TIEN TIME! 🗣️🔥💯
Edit: The brief flicker at 35:23... hard af
Edit 2: at 38:34 there's another one
I kinda wish every character had a story, even if it's just one or two battles. Imagine a story on Frieza Soldier rebelling on Namek or something.
That’s what the custom battles are for, even if they are undercooked
@@opadrip that would be awesome if it happened, like what they originally planned for Budokai 3 before it was cut.
The one problem with the Frieza What If: it wouldn't work in-universe. Frieza couldn't have revived his forces, as multi-person revives by the dragon balls have a 1 year time limit. He'd have needed to go to namek and spend an Earth year's worth of wishes for them (Namekian years are four months, King Cold, Cooler, Ginyu Force, Zarbon and Dodoria makes 9 people thus 3 rounds of 3 wishes. Actually kinda perfect now I think about it)
15:24 I CAN ALREADY HEAR FAN ARTISTS SCREAMING "WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITR THAT DOWN!!!!!"
A game so good that Bumbles was able to resist shooting a few strays at Ultimate Tenkaichi
Its Bumbles Saturday!!
Plus Dragon Ball (and Naruto) have the fun on having a bajillion versions and random characters. I like the what ifs and hope they add more.
Also give me General White!
Let's go, the bumble didn't fumble
Edit, why can't we spare raditz, just let us
1:17 *super 17 crying in the distance*
all 12 of us king vegeta stans are crying rn
Your idea for the Goku Black what-if where Goku Black forces Zamasu into fusion after beating him into submission, becoming more like Goku as they then go on to the Tournament of Power. Hell, they could even have it unlock an alternate skin for Fused Zamasu that uses Goku Black as the base, representing how one half of the fusion has taken control, and they're no longer as united as Zamasu thought.
Hell, maybe have there be two endings for this what-if saga. One where they win the tournament of power and fulfill their original desire to wipe out all the mortals, and one where their thirst for battle is greater than their desire to wipe out all mortals, and they wish everyone back purely for the sake of fighting them, justifying it to themselves as "playing with their food"
I really wish they would have just made the Tournament of Power in Friezas path with ALL of the Frieza force. Bring Cooler, King Cold, Zarbon and Dodoria, and The Ginyu force. Sure it doesnt make sense but its a Frieza what if, make him be the center and have Frieza revive all the universes because he wants to invade them all now that he knows his force is strong enough to take it all over.
I really feel the nigh impossible to navigate dream battle creator is so they can sell more what if stories as DLC further down the line. Which, I mean, I kinda hope they do since holy shit this game need more singleplayer contents
0:29, I point you towards Ultimate Ninja Storm
4:37 I just found out what I was watching lol 😭🔥
You know, despite you being such a big DBZ fan and the previous videos, this was still a nice surprise of a video to see hit, I'll be eager to watch your thoughts, figuring some of the obvious choices for rankings. I'll share mine as well! :)
Goku Black: Yeah, I can see the reasoning here, and I like that your thoughts were similar to mine; I figured a what-if would involve them not fusing, but that they didn't take it a step further and open the possibility of the two disagreeing/fighting is a missed chance. Yeah, they're the "same" person, but are they really?
Jiren: I like your observations helping give a little more insight into what's going down in his changes, and having a manga fight be a part of a main story like that is neat, given the manga's issues with ability to be represented in games, but yeah, by virtue of how little there is to do with him, he was never gonna rank high.
Piccolo: Yeah...I knew he would end up hitting this side of the ranking, just because so little changes overall. The only real difference is 16 seemingly surviving, and it's totally incidental. His short thing of killing Cell early and stalemating 17 is more of a deviation, and it's a low-budget version of Goku's! (You say Majin Piccolo as one idea, but how's this for another? Staying on Namek after Frieza's beaten to help Namekians, and then Slug shows up? Frieza being the only one to show a movie character, and in a capacity that doesn't adhere to the movie's story itself, is another showing of missed potential, I feel.)
Frieza: Frieza's, I think, feels the most...novel, I guess? It's certainly unique, and the ToP stuff is a cool gimmick with all its own branches, so it kinda does more than what a villain victory tends to do like the early victory does. It's definitely a good sign of creative thinking, to say the least. Guess that's what happens when you're the only playable villain story that has more than one saga's worth of presence. (Also your what-if is pretty similar to my thoughts, Mecha Frieza beating Trunks, the Z-Warriors, then deciding to rebel against King Cold now that he's truly the most powerful ever and etc.)
Vegeta: Vegeta's really hits on some of the story beats that seem the most obvious to be done, more or less, The one with Trunks seems like something that should have taken place in a game long ago, and the other is a pretty basic choice, but with a decent twist in gameplay at least. Again, sad that it can't give us Vegeta winning over SSJ3, but what can you do, eh?
Goku: There he is. The one that showed they were definitely banking a lot on using the first character you play as to draw people into trying the rest to see what the story changes are. Kinda funny that two of the biggest what-ifs both stem from the very first fight in Z. Makes some sense; I feel the earlier you are in the Z saga, the more room for changes there are overall. (Dang it with the Tien meme, Bumbles, you took me out with that one! XD) Not much to say about them overall, except that I feel they did a pretty good job on making sure Goku had some of the more entertaining ideas.
Trunks: Not bad to give some decent what-if stuff to someone who's entirely focused around the Goku Black starting point, huh? Still seems a weird decision to me to not include Cell Saga, even if they didn't branch anything off of it. Still, I like how it's almost universally agreed what's there in that what-if is a really nice take on the two sagas, if not an improvement for a lot of people. Trunks finally gets some much-deserved love.
Gohan: Who else could it be, right? I remember when the first screenshot of Gohan Black came and people were scrambling to figure out if it was real or not, just because it was that much out there. (And here's hoping a future update makes that a playable version some day!) If not for the DLC, there's even a moment that seemed ripe for making Beast appear early as well. Overall, for only having one major What If, they went all-out on making sure it was memorable, possibly even more so than people's thoughts on finally seeing the Goku/Gohan fusion happen as the what-if.
I can agree with your rankings pretty strongly, and definitely agree with hoping for more content. There's some hints it's possible, with empty fight nodes in the timeline corresponding to stuff like Krillin and Yamcha, plus an entire empty saga between Goku Black and the ToP--whatever that could be--so here's hoping DLC or free updates give us some more to work with!
39:32 not even mentioning the fake out he does where he lays down for a bit like he’s defeated, then springs back up and explodes on you for an instant kill
Sorry to say, but that didn't happen for me. I beat him with a throw which I think put him too far away for it to work.
@ ah, ok. Sucks to miss a cool moment like that
Dragon ball arena fighters are one of two good anime arena fighters. The other is the shockingly well made Gundam extreme versus series.
The one sparking zero video I’ve been waiting for.
I hope that they do more what ifs for dlcs
Imagine what if baby possessed broly that would be great
One thing I'm disappointed with this game is the exclusion of older what if characters that I love like Gokule and Tiencha who both haven't been seen outside of mobile games since Budokai 2.
Bleach fans are happy with rebirth of souls being an arena fighter since we're finally getting a new console game
Now if only it also covered the Fullbring and Thousand Year Blood War arcs... Maybe in the DLC or (hopefully) sequel... 😔
Honestly the gohan what if story in this game is just more proof that gohan could have worked as a main character, and should have been the main character after his dad's death. its one toriyama's biggest mistakes gohan is far more intersting of a character then modern goku is
Ok but give me a full master Roshi campaign and i'm in.
Gohan and Piccolo should've had a Master-Student Masenko
OK! By the way he’s down another back to back weekly upload, I reconnected we’re going to be waiting untill the end of December for video 100.
update wishlist for sparking zero:
gohan black and super saiyan vegeta (saiyan saga) as playable characters. hell, they could be bonus content in the current dlc.
Spit out my drink at the Yakubian demon line, I sincerely apologize for not being familiar with your game
Someone was excited to cover this, I see. Good to see Sparking Zero is good stuff.
1:52 unironically the single most overturned character in the game
30:27 FINALLY! Somebody GETS IT!
also, Something I don't think people get about in universe power scaling for dragon ball is that super saiyan is more of a set level of power on a chart based on what SSJ level can kill what villain, Despite sources calling it a multiplier, writing-wise in games, movies and even the tv shows, they don't really see it that way
Well this wasn’t expected today but I’m not gonna complain about the balan wonderworld guy discussing this goofy ahh fighting game.
You can say the word ass you know. It isn't a crime
Seeing Gohan Black in Sparking Zero's What If story is one of the craziest things I've ever seen here. I mean they did a great job making Gohan amazing again. This is the Gohan we all wanted to see years ago.
I have never watched Dragon Ball. All I know is by pop culture osmosis. This video is a huge trip, and honestly cute to see you fanboy so much XD
Now, Mr. McFumbles, I don't know if you take review requests or anything like that anymore, but at some point, it'd be really funny if you looked at Rascal for the PS1.
No special reason why 🗿
Youre evil
the "frieza comes to earth" one was the first one i got, and it definetly gave me a great first impression
Shrugging off the lack of OG Dragon Ball and calling Bergamo a "character nobody wanted" within the first two minutes, YOU'RE ON THIN ICE, JACK.
"Goku's backstory is just Superman" My guy, this fangirl is bouta freak out.
My Favorite What If...
Ginyu force Tournament of Powers
Gohan Black
Future Trunks Tournament of Powers
I’m not gunna lie I’d like it if the saiyan tails went golden when they go super saiyan 😂
Oh my god YES bumbles playing sparking zero makes me so happy
I’ll be honest, I’ve never fully gotten into Dragonball. Sure, something something DBZA, and my friend has been a Xenoverse stan since day one, but it’s never quite been for me.
Doesn’t mean I won’t be absolutely enthralled this entire video.
I know nothing about dragon ball but if bumbles is talking about it I'm watching.
Cool fucking Tenshinhan edit:
The reason I think Dragon ball can get away with Arena fighters is because of what it means for the roster
With a standard 2D fighter you know the roster is going to be VERY limited for balance and fan favorites just won't be there
New gen Shonen's already have cast so small that they don't really justify not just being a 2D fighter
The only one's that really could are MHA (which got one but didn't bother actually fleshing out their cast for people to care that they got in) and Black Clover (which hasn't gotten a fighting game at all)
Holy Crap!!! Those what if's are not only cool I was blindsided with Gohan Black that was amazing!!
10:35 Anyone else caught a temporary heart virus thinking he was ranking Gohan at 7?🙏😭
we're getting dangerously close to 100 episodes (i wanna see the return of the shadow man at least once)
Wish you mentioned the Goku vs 16 fight having a jump scare in it, I saw so much clips of people thinking it was over after 16 falls down and doesn’t get back up for several seconds, only for him to instantly kill them
LETS GOOO DRAGON BALL VIDEOS!! LIKE IF YOU’RE A REAL BALLER wait no
GOD HAS AWOKEN ONCE AGAIN, THANKS MCFUMBLES FOR UPLOADING 💜🦄
Honestly the most disappointing what-if is Goku Black, cause I feel it could be a Jiren what-if but more. Like what if Goku Black betrayed Zamasu because he got a change of heart or Zamasu betrayed Goku Black because shit and/or giggles or hell make it like a Trunks what-if and make Goku Black/Fuses Zamasu part of the ToP
My only wish for this game was a Krillin route tbh
Wonder what his big What If would be? Not sparing 18? 🤔
@@ShadowKnux372Not listening to Goku and killing Vegeta at the pod would be a big one
Also what if he managed to avoid Freeza's grab and didn't die on Namek
@@ShadowKnux372 What if he trained with King Kai and learned Kaioken after he died during original Dragon Ball. Start with the Krillin vs Piccolo fight at the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai (which is his first fight after he gets resurrected, and also the first fight we ever see Z's Piccolo in), let that lead into Krillin vs Goku at the end of that tournament, and then Krillin and Goku vs Raditz at the start of Z. Instead of Goku dying to a Special Beam Canon he was holding Raditz still for, it's a Destructo Disc, and then Krillin is the one that trains Kid Gohan (or maybe he takes him to Master Roshi's for training). Kaioken Krillin is still not as strong as Kaioken Goku, but he's enough stronger than Canon Krillin that he and the other Z-Fighters may be able to fend off Nappa long enough for Goku to arrive before the other Z-fighters die, preventing the Namek saga from happening. FIN.
34:05 actually, that one makes a lot of sense when you consider that Vegeta probably fought Frieza in his 1st form only. Vegeta had a power level of 20k after the fight against Goku. Since super saiyan is a 50x multiplier, that’d give him a power of 1 million. Which would let him wipe the floor with frieza, with a power of 530k.
I have no idea what is in a dragon ball but i'll watch it any ways cause i like your content
NGL, finally SOMEONE gives love to Gohan
*See's video topic.". Oh BABY! A happy surprise to be sure but having played this game and enjoyed it I am VERY excited to see your thoughts on this.
With what you said with time travel it makes me think what if it wasn’t Goku Black but Zamasu
Like start with Zamasu Vs Goku but if you beat him quickly Zamasu decides to expand his search across time picking between several characters that have beaten/killed Goku or are/were stronger than Goku at one point.
This could give something cool like, for example, Broly Black or jokes like Raditz Black
All the criticisms you levied against the Goku Black What If are just the same issues the Goku Black arc had in DBS.
"You're stuck in a loop of the same fights, over and over and over again. Never changing, never improving, just a chore from beginning to end."
It's the arc where everyone jobs to Goku Black, licks their wounds, jobs to Goku Black some more, rinse and repeat until deus ex machina. It was one of the worst seasons of Super, and that counts the two seasons where the animators were stuck reanimating the first two movies but stretched for time. Vegito appearing and Zamasu's and Fused Zamasu's pompous writing were the only good points, which is a shame such a peak villain was wasted on such a bad arc of "whoops I forgot the macguffin, lets go job again."
The manga was better, though.
At the end of the games run we're gonna have all 80 fighters from the Tournament of Power, all the Gods of Destruction, all the Angels, and so on and so forth.