Amazed by how in 130km/h feels like you're stoped intl the midle of the road, as here in Brazil ir you drive this speed feels like you're speed of light comparing ta other cars
Camera makes the speed look lower too. I cannot imagine zooming past a truck @90kph in the next lane when going 300+, it feels ridiculously fast when going 170 already :P
4:22 fuel tank is kept under negative pressure so the fuel shelf life is higher in case you drive a lot in electric only mode. Thats why sometimes you have to wait until pressure equalizes and the fuel cap opens.
I drive myself a panamera 4s diesel pre facelift. That car can go over 1000 km with a full tank. These high horsepower petrol cars are fun for 1-2 hours but long distance travel is made for powerful diesel engines. I had a bmw 7 g11. That thing went 220 km/h and had like 1900 rpms. But neverless this thing is a beautiful heavy beast. Propps to the quality of the video. There is nothing more beautiful than a empty autobahn and a car like the panamera.
Very interesting! A few years back (2014) i did 634km through Austria and Germany with a 2010 E63 (the non turbo engine). 1/3rd of the distance was in germany and due to traffic 240kph was the max possible speed we reached there, while 130kph is the max allowed limit in Austria. And as a law abiding driver i kept to that. I did the whole distance on one fuel tank. (filled up before the start and at the end) and reached 11,12 L/100km. It was summer, the AC was running, we were 4 adults + luggage in the car and we stopped every 2 hours for a short break. (one of the adults was my 80+ year old Grandma) When looking at the numbers you reached with the Porsche, i am quite pleased with what the, at the time you recorded it, at least 9 years older 6.2 V8 without electric help, and without downsizing and coasting features is able to do. (i still have the car)
The Sport Turismo is a true enthusiast dream car! And the Hybrid drivetrain adds some extra practicality, truly a good car and wonderful insight, thanks as usual for the Tier One content!
Fantastic video, love how easily you can switch between fun track videos and more in-depth analysis like this.
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this is the best content from a automotive youtuber I have seen for a long long time! real car guy doing real car guy stuff. you should drive more on the road, thank you
I started watching Micha to switch off from the current situation. Great no brainer but sensible coverage of the Ring and others. Keep up the great videos, really good work. The measures/conversion in the video are very informative:-) Night driving at 315kph on the Motorway/Interstate/Autobahn/Autoroute etc. is certainly an eye opener!
Maybe it isn't allowed but I regularly drive 200+ in the Netherlands. When you know where the police is, it's quite easy. Some simple highway basics and rules and you can speed whatever you like. Just don't do it on the ringroad of Rotterdam or Amsterdam. But the long stretches towards away from the Randstad area, some are even better to speed that the German autobahns. Because of better asphalt quality, better views in long corners (Germany has many times bad views in long curves on autobahns) and also in Netherlands are less long lasting roadworks. That is indeed the disatvantage of Germany. Roadworks take so long.
Yes! Random facts! :) I just got a speeding ticket two weeks ago and if I get another excessive speeding ticket in the next two years they can take my car away for two months. This time it was only a week. I am now learning how good fuel consumption is at the speed limit.
This is a very interesting video Misha. It makes sense that the fuel efficiency does not decrease with the same proportion the speed increased which I will explain below if anyone is interested. The first part is that the relationship between fuel efficiency and speed is non-linear mainly due to the non-linearity of the resistive forces with increased speed. These resistive forces in modern day vehicles are typically dominated by air resistance. The formula for air resistance at a given speed is Fd = 0.5*p*(v^2)*Cd*A. In this case (assuming the air density is largely the same between runs) "p", "Cd" and "A" are constant values and can therefore be excluded for this comparison. This means that the drag force (Fd) is directly proportional to the square of the velocity (v). If we put some numbers into this theory, we can show that the linear relationship between 102 km/h and 164 km/h is ~1.61 whereas the relationship of the squares is ~2.59. This means the engine is having to do 2.59 times instead of 1.61 times more work just to overcome the increase in air resistance. Why is this relationship of the squares (2.59) not the same as the relationship of the fuel consumption figures (3.37)? Well, this leads to the second part, the ratios are not the same because combustion engines are designed to be more efficient at certain RPMs, usually cruising RPMs in the region of 2000 to 3500. I am not a chemical or powertrain engineer, so I cannot comment further on specifically how this works or why this range is chosen. However, what it means is that the RPM at 102 km/h is causing the engine to be relatively more efficient than at 164 km/h (made worse by the fact Misha was driving for some parts at 315 km/h with revs higher than 6000 RPM).
I purchased the 2022 Porsche Panamera 4 e-Hybrid Sport Turismo (November Delivery) which has only 462HP but with stage 1 ECU tune this can be increased quite easily to 600HP for a cost of about EUR1,200. Will do some test runs later in the year or early next year to see V/max difference pre and post ECU Tune.
4:20 . it takes a few seconds for the gas cap to open because the gas tanks in PHEVs are pressurised and hermetically sealed. a PHEV can drive for months in electric only so the gas tank must trap the vapors that may form.
Very nice and informative video. Thank you Misha! I really like the fact that you did the return trip on sensible 130kmh speed which is very much applicable here in Finland at highways. This allows me to estimate how much such a car would consume and also gives idea how would be the panamera 4 e-hybrid sport turismo perform (I'm considering purchasing one).
Awesome video Misha, I always wanted to see comparison like that. Was wondering how much quicker and more expensive it would be if I had access to the unlimited (even not all the time) road to drive. And now I know, thank you for that :)
170 average speed 😱 that is insane. Also to be fair these prices are not ‚normal‘ in germany bc normally you wouldn‘t go to the gas station on the Autobahn. In my opinion the dark gopro shots look really beautiful and everything is still good visible. Another really good video 👍🏻
I'd be curious about how the fuel consumption and travel time changes in a high powered diesel, maybe an S6 or an M550d. And hats off for being able to keep the advised speed limit :D
Very interesting and informative video. I have taken the liberty of converting your figures for the UK audience as we use the imperial gallon here. Your fast run using 152 litres, or 40.15 US gallons is 33.44 gallons here in the UK. That would equate to a 9.11 MPG. The second run using 45 litres, or 11.89 US gallons is 9.90 imperial gallons here, this would give us 30.5 MPG. The latter figure is very good indeed and makes more sense to anyone using imperial gallons. Sorry for being an anorak.
As somebody who spent a great deal of time getting up early and driving hard in Germany, the statistic I worked off was minutes per tank. The trick to a high average speed was balancing the time spent in the gas station against the time on the Autobahnen. Last stop was critical, don't overfill, it costs you time.
Thank you for this test, because I was considering to buy me one and was afraid exactly about this, fuel consumption around 30 liters when going that fast. I do this twice a month with a slightly slower car, an Audi A8L V8 diesel, vmax 285 km/h and my average speed on a 700 km distance is 156 km/h which is some less than yours 166 km/h, but the exciting thing is that I just consume about 12-13 liters of diesel for going that fast AND I need no refuel on that 700 km. So talking about efficiency, diesel rules.
In Finland we have 120km/h on highways, but on main roads are 80km/h or 100km/h. But best part is that most of country side roads are 80km/h, and they are drivers paradise. Have to say, Panamera has impressed me by fuel consumption.
To give a comparison these consumption numbers are exactly the same in my 2017 Fiesta ST between normal road use and track use. The fact that Porsche can make a V8 powered, 700hp, four door, luxury vehicle have the same fuel consumption as my little two door hot hatch is incredible.
Misha the analyst, a role you play well! And just a bit of advice... If you are going to drive slow, bring someone along. Preferably someone you REALLY want to spend time with.
Wow, this is a fantastic video! Thanks for all the interesting data. Please, please do more car consumption trials like these! Though, I don't think it's necessary for the data to have such an extended trip. Regarding your "experience" on the travel part. How intense was the extremely fast driving? I can imagine you're being focused automatically all the time and only notice how tired you've become until after driving, or something. Thanks again, really appreciated!
Well...when you can afford a 150k euro car, i'm pretty sure you don't care the gas bills. There are much more efficient cars with diesel engine that can have an average speed very similar to that Porsche. In 2010, i got a Cayenne S for 2 weeks. I kept it most of the time in the garage (20 l/100km). I prefer to have a 911 and a medium diesel car at my disposal.
I can't imagine having that much HP, an empty autobahn, and not making the pedal touch the floor mat. Props Misha!! 👏👏👏
Really interesting video mate!
Cheers mate
really like the editing and presentation your doing here misha 👍
Amazed by how in 130km/h feels like you're stoped intl the midle of the road, as here in Brazil ir you drive this speed feels like you're speed of light comparing ta other cars
Camera makes the speed look lower too. I cannot imagine zooming past a truck @90kph in the next lane when going 300+, it feels ridiculously fast when going 170 already :P
4:22 fuel tank is kept
under negative pressure so the fuel shelf life is higher in case you drive a lot in electric only mode. Thats why sometimes you have to wait until pressure equalizes and the fuel cap opens.
so cool
Thanks for the tip
I drive myself a panamera 4s diesel pre facelift. That car can go over 1000 km with a full tank. These high horsepower petrol cars are fun for 1-2 hours but long distance travel is made for powerful diesel engines. I had a bmw 7 g11. That thing went 220 km/h and had like 1900 rpms. But neverless this thing is a beautiful heavy beast. Propps to the quality of the video. There is nothing more beautiful than a empty autobahn and a car like the panamera.
This is quality content, don't shy away from it during prime season, it's a nice change-up now and then.
Doing 300kmh an hour and still notice take time to love the scenery especially the sky!!!
Many after my own heart
Great video
Very interesting! A few years back (2014) i did 634km through Austria and Germany with a 2010 E63 (the non turbo engine). 1/3rd of the distance was in germany and due to traffic 240kph was the max possible speed we reached there, while 130kph is the max allowed limit in Austria. And as a law abiding driver i kept to that. I did the whole distance on one fuel tank. (filled up before the start and at the end) and reached 11,12 L/100km. It was summer, the AC was running, we were 4 adults + luggage in the car and we stopped every 2 hours for a short break. (one of the adults was my 80+ year old Grandma) When looking at the numbers you reached with the Porsche, i am quite pleased with what the, at the time you recorded it, at least 9 years older 6.2 V8 without electric help, and without downsizing and coasting features is able to do. (i still have the car)
"You're Gonna Go Far, Kid" - and fast, with that Porsche :D Underrated Offspring album, loved to see it on Your playlist :)
The Sport Turismo is a true enthusiast dream car! And the Hybrid drivetrain adds some extra practicality, truly a good car and wonderful insight, thanks as usual for the Tier One content!
Great video! Loved all the detailed insights and POV footage.
Enjoyed watching it - the long wait/edit payed off
Such an interesting review, thanks! 🙌🏻🙌🏻
Thank you!
This was better than most TV production car shows! Great work! Really smooth to watch
Fantastic video, love how easily you can switch between fun track videos and more in-depth analysis like this.
this is the best content from a automotive youtuber I have seen for a long long time! real car guy doing real car guy stuff. you should drive more on the road, thank you
Really dig the glasses lol.. very suitable when explaining vehicle specs...Russian scientist look😁
I tell you man, when you have more patience than me. If I see empty straight, I go BRAP BRAP ZOOOM! As always, amazing videos Comrad!!
I started watching Micha to switch off from the current situation. Great no brainer but sensible coverage of the Ring and others. Keep up the great videos, really good work. The measures/conversion in the video are very informative:-) Night driving at 315kph on the Motorway/Interstate/Autobahn/Autoroute etc. is certainly an eye opener!
such a cool video, glad you decided to upload it even a year later :D
The review came up so good Misha! Really enjoyed this test, something you don’t have every day when seeing a (consumption) test in a car like that. :)
Really enjoyed watching this test, thank you Misha! 😊
Quite interesting, glad you finally released it!
My new favourite - Slavic Engineering Explained ♥️
Found your channel today. These are exactly the kinds of videos I'm looking for, especially for a Dream Estate. Thank you!
"Looking at you, Netherlands" :🤣🤣
Stelletje gekken hier..... ‘co2 uitstoot reduceren’
@@mauritsphilipse5884 ff de hele wereld redden met 17 mil man. Man man man.
@@mgcharoudin Waar en hoe heb je Nederlands geleerd?! Taalwonder Misha, Nederlands, Duits, Engels, Russisch. Legend!
@@mgcharoudin Precies, milieugekkies in Nederland denken dat ze de wereld kunnen redden. LOL!
Maybe it isn't allowed but I regularly drive 200+ in the Netherlands. When you know where the police is, it's quite easy. Some simple highway basics and rules and you can speed whatever you like. Just don't do it on the ringroad of Rotterdam or Amsterdam. But the long stretches towards away from the Randstad area, some are even better to speed that the German autobahns. Because of better asphalt quality, better views in long corners (Germany has many times bad views in long curves on autobahns) and also in Netherlands are less long lasting roadworks. That is indeed the disatvantage of Germany. Roadworks take so long.
Great video!
Nice to see that the 680hp Porsche needs as much fuel at 130 as my Cupra 🥲
Great video. I think we need more video like this for guide us what car to buy for long drive.
Just watching this, found it super interesting!
Huge respect for doing this. Thank you!
Daddy's Porsche again? 🤣
HAHAHA Great memory! Remember when car meets was a thing?
Actually, Daddy's Porsche was the non-Turbo I had before this one.
@@mgcharoudin it was non Turbo yep :)
What a dumb jelaous coment
Just casually cruising at 310km/hour
Unreal machine 👏
Great video 👍
i would like to see more of these kind of videos really enjoyed it , Thx misha !
Thank you Misha, that was really helpful. You clearly know what you are talking about.
I prefer this kind of presentation. Great video misha!
Yes! Random facts! :) I just got a speeding ticket two weeks ago and if I get another excessive speeding ticket in the next two years they can take my car away for two months. This time it was only a week. I am now learning how good fuel consumption is at the speed limit.
Fantastic video! (Love the different angle of the test and the multiple units!)
Super Jelly Misha, that looked like a friggin blast and a half!
#KickTheTiresAndLightTheFires
Great video and nice analysis, cheers
I forgot that i was waiting for this video,
Thank you very much Misha !
I remember when you had this car and I knew you had more content from it. Love it!
This is a very interesting video Misha. It makes sense that the fuel efficiency does not decrease with the same proportion the speed increased which I will explain below if anyone is interested.
The first part is that the relationship between fuel efficiency and speed is non-linear mainly due to the non-linearity of the resistive forces with increased speed. These resistive forces in modern day vehicles are typically dominated by air resistance. The formula for air resistance at a given speed is Fd = 0.5*p*(v^2)*Cd*A. In this case (assuming the air density is largely the same between runs) "p", "Cd" and "A" are constant values and can therefore be excluded for this comparison. This means that the drag force (Fd) is directly proportional to the square of the velocity (v). If we put some numbers into this theory, we can show that the linear relationship between 102 km/h and 164 km/h is ~1.61 whereas the relationship of the squares is ~2.59. This means the engine is having to do 2.59 times instead of 1.61 times more work just to overcome the increase in air resistance. Why is this relationship of the squares (2.59) not the same as the relationship of the fuel consumption figures (3.37)?
Well, this leads to the second part, the ratios are not the same because combustion engines are designed to be more efficient at certain RPMs, usually cruising RPMs in the region of 2000 to 3500. I am not a chemical or powertrain engineer, so I cannot comment further on specifically how this works or why this range is chosen. However, what it means is that the RPM at 102 km/h is causing the engine to be relatively more efficient than at 164 km/h (made worse by the fact Misha was driving for some parts at 315 km/h with revs higher than 6000 RPM).
Proper cool vid Misha as always! 👌🏻🤟🏻
I purchased the 2022 Porsche Panamera 4 e-Hybrid Sport Turismo (November Delivery) which has only 462HP but with stage 1 ECU tune this can be increased quite easily to 600HP for a cost of about EUR1,200. Will do some test runs later in the year or early next year to see V/max difference pre and post ECU Tune.
"Looking at you, Netherlands", ouch that one hurts ;-(
Bravo for this (fast and not furious) test Misha. Both variations of a theme, really interesting. This could become a standard, like doug scores.
4:20 . it takes a few seconds for the gas cap to open because the gas tanks in PHEVs are pressurised and hermetically sealed.
a PHEV can drive for months in electric only so the gas tank must trap the vapors that may form.
Great video, really interesting to see the real world difference.
That was really interesting, Misha. It was funny seeing you pop up on Super GT’s stream over the weekend.
Very nice and informative video. Thank you Misha! I really like the fact that you did the return trip on sensible 130kmh speed which is very much applicable here in Finland at highways.
This allows me to estimate how much such a car would consume and also gives idea how would be the panamera 4 e-hybrid sport turismo perform (I'm considering purchasing one).
Man you deserve a million subs. One day I'm coming to visiting you in Germany for a Nordschleife experience :)
Evening Misha that was a well calculated fuel consumption review
Awesome video Misha, I always wanted to see comparison like that. Was wondering how much quicker and more expensive it would be if I had access to the unlimited (even not all the time) road to drive. And now I know, thank you for that :)
Class video misha 🙌🙌what a car 😎great vid as ever nice mixing it up content wise 🙌🙌🙌😉
great video Misha. Shows there is a car that does most things pretty well.
Nice observations. I actually like the low ISO night time exposure. Germany is beautiful.
Awesome vid glad you endured the trip home. Pretty cool to watch u drop mpg at end
I'd love a comparison with a big BMW or Audi diesel, something like a 335d or equally big Audi.
i've always wanted to know that, seriously! thx :D
170 average speed 😱 that is insane.
Also to be fair these prices are not ‚normal‘ in germany bc normally you wouldn‘t go to the gas station on the Autobahn.
In my opinion the dark gopro shots look really beautiful and everything is still good visible.
Another really good video 👍🏻
I'd be curious about how the fuel consumption and travel time changes in a high powered diesel, maybe an S6 or an M550d. And hats off for being able to keep the advised speed limit :D
Best is to go in between, to still be quick but save a lot of money. Cruise speed of 180-200 is more douable.
9:42 "And Mexico" made my day XD
Why Mexico?
This video was great. Thank you
"There is high price attached to speed", don't do drugs kids! Listen what Misha told ya :)
Great, this was so interesting to watch.
I hope to see similar stuff in the future
A Test we never needed but now we do...👍
I like this bro science analysis)) Миша красавчик!
Factors at the end = you're getting old Misha ;) (really cool video, cheers)
7:33 Misha: as you can see I’m fresh and fruity 😂😂😂😂
Very interesting and informative video. I have taken the liberty of converting your figures for the UK audience as we use the imperial gallon here. Your fast run using 152 litres, or 40.15 US gallons is 33.44 gallons here in the UK. That would equate to a 9.11 MPG. The second run using 45 litres, or 11.89 US gallons is 9.90 imperial gallons here, this would give us 30.5 MPG. The latter figure is very good indeed and makes more sense to anyone using imperial gallons.
Sorry for being an anorak.
Great video man! Lets get your channel to 1million subs!!!
Great great video Misha!
As somebody who spent a great deal of time getting up early and driving hard in Germany, the statistic I worked off was minutes per tank. The trick to a high average speed was balancing the time spent in the gas station against the time on the Autobahnen. Last stop was critical, don't overfill, it costs you time.
Undoubtful proof it was recorded pre-corona: As you can see i'm fresh and fruity :D
i wonder what's the freshness to fruitiness ratio
Awesome video mate, also love that car especially in the shaggin wagon, they look excellent, Rj watching from Oz
Perfect family car. ❤️👍
Really enjoyed that upload Misha and great detail. Thank you Tier 1.
That was pretty interesting ! I’m subscribed now! Thank you for that video.
Thank you for this test, because I was considering to buy me one and was afraid exactly about this, fuel consumption around 30 liters when going that fast. I do this twice a month with a slightly slower car, an Audi A8L V8 diesel, vmax 285 km/h and my average speed on a 700 km distance is 156 km/h which is some less than yours 166 km/h, but the exciting thing is that I just consume about 12-13 liters of diesel for going that fast AND I need no refuel on that 700 km. So talking about efficiency, diesel rules.
I miss the Autobahn! Cool comparison :)
In Finland we have 120km/h on highways, but on main roads are 80km/h or 100km/h. But best part is that most of country side roads are 80km/h, and they are drivers paradise. Have to say, Panamera has impressed me by fuel consumption.
Sehr interessantes Video.
Thank's! Have a nice evening ✌☺
To give a comparison these consumption numbers are exactly the same in my 2017 Fiesta ST between normal road use and track use. The fact that Porsche can make a V8 powered, 700hp, four door, luxury vehicle have the same fuel consumption as my little two door hot hatch is incredible.
5:40 AWESOME content, Misha
One of my favourite cars...
Excellent video - well done!
I'd reckon that fuel consumption while driving at the Ring is even higher than at Vmax.
Yeah close to 1L per km
much higher. My tiny 1.8 supercharged Toyota engine gets 6mpg at the Hockenheimring.
@@steffenkawa8374 I did 1L per km with the 488 GTB on track
It’s slightly weird how you’re morphing into a Robert clone......😂
😂😂😂😂
Misha the analyst, a role you play well! And just a bit of advice... If you are going to drive slow, bring someone along. Preferably someone you REALLY want to spend time with.
Wow, this is a fantastic video! Thanks for all the interesting data. Please, please do more car consumption trials like these! Though, I don't think it's necessary for the data to have such an extended trip. Regarding your "experience" on the travel part. How intense was the extremely fast driving? I can imagine you're being focused automatically all the time and only notice how tired you've become until after driving, or something. Thanks again, really appreciated!
As mentioned in the vid it did not make me tired at all!
Mooi wetenschappelijk onderbouwd Misha.
Thank you for the conversion helps me from hitting the Google ha!!! Great video
Really like this format! Would be interesting to compare weight, the Panamera Shooting break and the normal panamera at 130kmh for example :)
Great Video Micha
Very interesting review in real conditions of use, thanks
excellent, nice review - interesting to see and hear !
A Volvo V60 D3 owner: Sees fuel bill. Is in shock.
But then again your diesel doesn't do 300+ or 250+ or even 225+.
@@jankees4037 It does 220, which hardly matters since the speed limit is 130 where I live.
Well...when you can afford a 150k euro car, i'm pretty sure you don't care the gas bills. There are much more efficient cars with diesel engine that can have an average speed very similar to that Porsche. In 2010, i got a Cayenne S for 2 weeks. I kept it most of the time in the garage (20 l/100km). I prefer to have a 911 and a medium diesel car at my disposal.
I appreciate your suffering on the way back, Misha. Lol!!!
Niceee , this is actually really fun , I do it all the time ( fast vs slow driving)
such an informative video. Loved it..thanks man!
its crazy that my e36 325tds with 143 ps uses around 7 L per 100 km and this 680 ps rocketsship can match that. very impressive.
Tech improved a lot in 30 years :p