THE SHINING | How History repeats Itself
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THE SHINING | How History repeats Itself: The Shining has to be one of the, if not the most dense and fascinating film in history. Over 30 years of countless interpretations and endless awe from audiences. In this video I try to dig into the idea that Jack Nicholson's character is in a vicious cycle that will potentially follow his son unless Danny can break the chain of history.
Here is an audio interview with Kubrick himself affirming this idea of history repeating itself, which is amazing because this footage only became available a few months ago but I made this video a long time ago, so I'm glad I was on the right lines: • The Shining - unseen i... - Фільми й анімація
Here's a telephone conversation with Stanley Kubrick himself discussing this idea of history repeating itself in The Shining: ua-cam.com/video/fVlXbS0SNqk/v-deo.htmlm40s
MUST SEE FILMS You’re close - but not quite there. I particularly like your analysis of the missing end scene. I always thought leaving Jack as a frozen character - allowed for the possibility of his abusive spirit to be thawed out in Danny. The whole tennis ball thing in the ending scene supports that too.
"blurred to protect younger viewers"
pretty sure 99% of viewers (including the younger ones) are more shocked by everything else than by the nudity lol
no those saggy titties are terrifying and traumatic
M'KAY
Is don't think is the nudity, i think is those disgusting makes she had all over her body.
I just realized something to support your theory. Very exciting! The old woman in the tub has completely different "sores" on her body vs. The old woman walking toward Jack after kissing him. The woman in the tub has a sore that resembles a sand dollar on the front of her left shoulder. The other old woman walking has no such mark. I think that is enough to confirm your theory, at least for me. I've never thought of this until I saw your video. This scene has confounded me for years. Frankly, it's the biggest mystery to me this specific scene. Always been very strange. They ARE the twins. Different sores on their bodies confirms it. Kubrick just gave me chills from the grave because he's given us all the information yet he can slip it right past us like a magician. Just like the missing door next to rm. 237 when danny tries to open the door to that room. Thank you so much for unraveling a small mystery within a film with so many oddities and puzzles.
Through out the film, we get hints that Jack is not a happily married man. Look at his outburst when Wendy interrupts him as he is typing, and later on in the film after Jack has come back from room 237, he says "I have let you fuck up my life so far, but I'm not going to let you fuck this up!" This shows us that Jack blames Wendy for his past faults. So this is my theory, Jack always planned to murder Wendy at the hotel, when he was driving up there, all he could think about was killing her. It's just a huge coincidence that the hotel is haunted.
Jack was unhinged from the very beginning. He wanted to kill Danny, as well, to relive the legacy of Grady killing his daughters
I think you're going to far. Jack had problems with his family yes. Maybe he imagined escaping them somehow but I doubt murder was on his mind. The hotel tapped into his dissatisfaction and pushed him over the edge. That's like, the whole point of the movie. The evil of the hotel, the evil of the past remanifesting.
Taryn, the screen writer said the scene where Jack finds a scrapbook on the hotel which puts a sort of evil spell on him was cut. She felt it didn't make sense without a reason for his sudden change. Yes, he began to hate his family after that scene. People are projecting evil on him in the early scenes.
I have an interesting theory I have been working on. It is a bit of a stretch, but I have been pondering it a while. It stems from watching analysis of eyes wide shut, magic rituals, and occult beliefs. It starts with the Jacks interview. The interview is strange, the window that shouldn't be there, the grim look on Bill Watson's face (what is the purpose of Bill being there?). I'll get to the point. I think that the job that Jack may be being asked to do is to sacrifice his family in the hotel, a human sacrifice in a place of power as part of an occult ritual, the more brutal and traumatic, the better. When Stuart tells Jack about how Grady murdered his family with an axe, I get the sense that he is describing what a good job this past caretaker has done, he's letting Jack know the bar has been set pretty high. Jack smiles and seems to be pleased and enthusiastic, as though he is saying to this prospective employer, I understand the bar has been set pretty high, but you can count on me, I'm your man.
Also, Jack isn't writing a novel, he's pretending too, and he isn't looking after the hotel, Wendy is. I wonder if the the job Jack has been given is exactly the one he tries to accomplish.
Its a funny path Jack follows because i totally agree with you he appears very passionate about his care and responsibility to the hotel but isn't ever seen doing it. There are a lot of mixed signal with his character, very off-putting and edgy.
I think you're onto something :D I hope you develop it and add more evidence to it
Those forward/backward shot overlays were incredible. real nice work.
How does Kubrick come up with this?
+Onmysheet he probably doesn´t
+Ebenezar I reckon that bit is bullshit, I think that bit is just a coincidence. The pictures to me didnt seem to mean anything, I think if you look hard enough at anything, you will be able to convince yourself it has a parallel
+ByDonnas I'm just talking about how they look, nothing else.
***** yea I know what you mean, its a cool little thing but i doubt kubrick meant it, and that theory was from the room 237 doc, and most theories on that were crazy
Darren, I think you're the only guy on UA-cam who ACTUALLY explained this film to me. Oh and nice channel by the way
Godfrey X Thanks, glad to be part of the dialogue of digging into this film. It made sense to me, but i was never sure how other people would take it, glad to hear this helps.
Watch Rob Ager's videos on this film (Collative Learning channel).
Kubrick changed the way I make art myself, especially the incredible depth of subtext revealed in The Shining. Thanks for the video, enjoyed it very much.
Dude with a Dog ?
Such a creative boy you are ....
It amazes me that after almost 40 years, this film still remains so intriguing.
What makes Kubrick so intriguing is how he took his secrets to the grave, but still gave everyone clues about his head space/experiences in his films. Mirrors were very important to him, and his life mirrored itself in ways. Fascinating
There is only one bath lady in the film/novel, Doc just had shined and saw the bathtub lady which had attacked him when he entered to the bathroom of room 217 (and yes 217 not 237), Grady's daughters are not twins (one is 10 and the other one is 8)and Jack didn't sexually abuse his son nor did Grady to his daughters, it was The Overlook Hotel that made them kill their children and my theory is that Grady's daughters had the shining either and because of that Grady tried to kill them because the hotel told him to because the shining could bring the hotel power.
And yes, the history repeated itself because Grady's daughters tried to burn the hotel down and spoiler alert in the novel the hotel did burn to the ground with Jack who already had become The Overlook Hotel as Grady. Jack loved his son and wife so much, but it was the hotel which made him lose his tamper.
One of the best Shining theory videos on UA-cam. Seems spot on to me. Great work dude!
The first 5 minutes of this review had some great points, but you lost me with the 'forwards/backwards' stuff. "The bedroom conversation ties into Jack's conversation with Grady about how his family should be punished; again linking Jack and Grady's actions towards their families." What? Jack and Grady are already taking about punishing his family. It's already linked without it being played forwards/backwards. Most of the pictures you proceeded to show in the slideshow were irrelevant to the point you were making. Yes, some of them lined up and looked nice, but that's because Kubrick is a very symmetrical film maker. You'd get the same number of speculative images if you played the movie forwards/backwards with a 20-minute delay instead.
Anyway, you could really use some work on your editing and we could all go without the 4:3, but l did really like the first part of this video. The idea that history repeats itself is also shown well with the references to the holocaust and native american symbols. Thanks.
Quote from Grady for those interested: "Perhaps they need a good talking to, if you don't mind my saying so. Perhaps a bit more. My girls, sir, they didn't care for the Overlook at first. One of them actually stole a pack of matches, and tried to burn it down. But I "corrected" them sir. And when my wife tried to prevent me from doing my duty, I "corrected" her. "
Yeah i agree the backwards and forwards thing is just something iv came across and wanted to share it, but by itself it doesn't really hold any really meaning, especially since there is one than one cut of the film. just thought it would be a point of interest for people who hadn't come across it before.
Do you just enjoy being a negative nancy? lol Give foleyd87 credit - he provides smart insights into layered films the larger public might not see.
Anyway the theme of history repeating itself was the main theme for me in The Shining. Child abusers tend to have been victims of past abuse. Recovering alcoholics can fall right back in past misdeeds of overdrinking if they're not careful. You can easily get lost in a maze and end up going around in circles. Al these are linked with history repeating itself and The Shining has elements of each.
I'd highly recommend seeing Rob Zombie's The Lords of Salem. It's heavily inspired by The Shining and features the history repeating itself theme very subtly in its narrative. Good review as usual foleyd87, the haters will always find faults, just keep them coming. We the fans truly appreciate them!
poontang3zizo I agree, no need to put down an intelligent persons interpenetration of such a complex film. If you don't like people stretching for connections, metaphors, symbolic meanings, and deep analysis, maybe you don't like film analysis. Personally, I could listen to analysis of the Shining for hours and hours and hours, it is complex and layered.
Didn't expect to see you here, YMS. I agree that the forward/backward thing is far-fetched. I also commented earlier on the format, and I looked on the back on my DVD, and found out that's how Stanley Kubrick intended it.
agh very cool Neil, good to know these things!! thanks
I like how you made the aspect ratio so small; Kubrick stated that “The Shining” looked best on small TVs.
R. V. Datmir makes the halls feel more claustrophobic, I guess.
Thank you for uploading this! I was pretty confused while watching the movie. This really helped me make sense of everything!
I agree with that, Kubrick's body of work are examples of his endless preparation between films. If you watch the documentary Kubrick's boxes you can see the amount of detail that went into his planning. But i totally agree i think he was smart enough to use any surprises if they supported his overall aim.
I think this is the best and probably the most accurate analysis of The Shining I've ever seen, as it makes a lot of sense. History repeating itself ...... Delbert Grady, abuses and then 'corrects' his family. It alludes to Jack abusing Danny, with clues and references to abuse of sex. The Playgirl magazine article, Jack is reading, relating to incest. The fact that Jack is even looking at a copy of playgirl. Maybe a clue as to his interest in the same sex. The reference to bears too. Danny lying on a bear toy, whilst his mom witnesses the scene with the bear and the guy, orally coplutating. As Jack gets more and more stir crazy, the more susceptible he is to experiencing the supernatural events that have occurred in the past, and involving him in continuing the cycle. Now this makes sense to me. The other theories about the movie being a vehicle for Stanley Kubrick hinting that the Apollo Moon Landings were faked, with all its clues could well be part of the movie too. What we are over looking is that Stanley Kubrick wasn't just a brilliant director, he was a highly intelligent man. All these theories, no matter how crazy they may appear may actually be subtle sub plots. This isn't just a movie masterpiece. In relation to its meaning and its plot, The Shining is an onion. Cleverly constructed, with layer upon layer of meanings , plot lines and clues. Simply wonderful.
Kubrick used the _Shining_ to give a _condensed_ history of the *twentieth century-* but told in *reverse.* Note *Danny's* _Apollo ll_ tee-shirt, the *emergency radio* with _tubes,_ Jack's old German typewriter which was used in the _holocaust-_ and Kubick *ends* his movie with a forged picture of _Woodrow Wilson,_ the first president of the *modern era,* behind _Jack._
I have to say sir, bravo on spotting the twins in room 237. I have not seen that anywhere. Even Rob Ager, who has redefined the film for many people, didn't spot that. I must say, out of all the film analysis one you tube, there's your good self, Rob and 'Every Frame a painting' up there at the top! Well done, keep up the good work.
Yeah would agree, i love Robs work and he has an early support and iv only recently discover every frame a painting and i really enjoy his work!!
foleyd87 what I like is you all have a different take. You and Every Frame have great eyes for the technical side of things, where as Rob delves deep in the psychology of a film. You can all speak too lol If there's one thing I hate it's guys who sit there making shit up, going ummm and hawww for 15 minutes, when what they have to say should take about a minute!
Yeah i think there is so much on the internet that if your not top the point when it comes to film education then people will dismiss you straight away, thats will i write out all my analysis video beforehand, but the podcasts and much more free speaking, i usually just talk and then refer to notes during it. Also the beauty of the internet is that all these different version of film analysis can exists together and in a way they support each other as people really seem interested in this kind of stuff.
foleyd87 The reason for that is simple. I'll get the bad news out of the way first, so to speak. A lot of the stuff on you tube is people looking for attention. They see that something is popular and try and copy it. Very often, it's not very good, but hey, cream will always rise to the top. Now, the better news is that movie lovers love having their instincts proved right. My first experience with the you tube analyzers, was one of Rob's first The Shining videos. I remember arguing with a pal of mine after watching The Shining first that despite his protests, I didn't believe the continuity errors were, in fact, errors.. The film looked and sounded so good, you just don't go to that trouble only to forget to change a type writer's colour....why not just buy them all the one colour?!? That's one example, but after the film my head was asking 'why go to all that trouble just to make a horror movie that isn't really all that scary?! I knwe I was missing something...So finding others writing and discovering what I had been missing was very exciting. That's the thing, that these gems from movies have been there all along. anyways, well done and keep it up!
I totally share your experience, iv had this myself when iv watched and enjoyed and film and then after reading or discovering something new about it, the film then plays in a new light for me. thats why i think even films that people hate first time round can prove to be gems because people just havent figured them out yet. Plus so many films are subjective and it takes the right kind of person to identify things. Like in The Fountain for example, so many people hate it because they dont understand and weren't ready emotionally and spiritually for that film, but the people who love it have been so moved by it and have shared there stories with me as i have a very profound affect while watching it too. Im just happy that people are going beyond film reviews and really sharing what makes these films great!
this is not just a movie......
+kevin garner explain please...
Chet Walters this is not just a comment....
kevin garner Well wtf is it?
Chet Walters It's an experience smartass
Superior Planet it’s a book written by Stephen King but it got readapted
I believe the cycle kept repeating for many years before Charles Grady. Delbert Grady and the twins were dressed in 1930’s era attire and was apart of a party playing music from that time period. Charles Grady was in the 70s (Ullman said he was the former caretaker, could be as recent as a couple years before Jack) and I believe Charles’ daughters (8 and 10) aren’t featured in the movie. The twins that are in the movie are the same age and look identical. A 2 year difference would’ve been distinct, so those twins were Delbert’s. Delbert may have been the first caretaker to act on the curse and murder his daughters, passed his curse down to Charles, then to Jack.
This sounds like a very possible way to look at it. I think this alot, those 2 stories have always been so messy but if he started the cycle and passed it to jack, then it would make sense all the imagery was from all over the place.
That really clears up the two gradys and the twins who aren’t supposed to be twins. Very good thinking! Those were the two areas that are always assumed to be continuity errors.
I never made the connection of Jack's tennis ball downstairs being thrown at the wall as the same ball being rolled toward Danny outside Room 237. That's a pretty amazing piece of analysis. Really enjoyed your video.
The bear in the bedroom is actually a dog (référence to the book) and the 2 womans in the bathroom are actually the same person and it is a jumback in time: one attacking Jack and then its a jumback in time of her(in the bathtub) atackink Danny(Also in the book)
I loved the video, dude. I love watching movies, and The Shining still stands as my favorite. I loved the input you had, and will definitely keep these theories in mind next time I'm talking with my friends about this particular film
You make some interesting and fresh points in this analysis! Every time I watch this movie, or read about it, I learn something new.
inspiring ;) i must go back to my notebook before writing again, "thanks a lot" lol
Thanks. Im not sure about the forwards and backwards either but its just amazing how this film seems to keep offering itself to be seen differently, just when you think you know something else will appear and after 30 people are still figuring it out.
7:58 Thats a damn cool picture. I want this as a poster
+Johnny Twohats
Taken by the master himself! I see what you mean, it's very interesting.
Wow this made a lot of sense. In retrospect the boy acted like a child who has been sexually abused. Withdrawn, imaginary friend that protects him, thumbsucking. That would explain the unspoken creepiness of the scene when Jack had the boy on his lap and stroking his hair : On the surface totally innocent interaction between father and son. But beneath?
And Wendy instantly blames Jack, probably emphasising she knows what he's been doing to Danny all that time.
Another idea just acurred to me(took a year).If you go with the pretense that this movie is about child sexual abuse and the overlook is a allegory of Jacks' mind, then where did it start for Jack? Could it be because he had a overbearing mother? He obviously had some real issues with women. He blamed his wife for eveything thst went wrong in his life. She was was submissive and trusting. She even dressed like amuch older woman. Just like a man with the subconscious need to dominate would choose in a wife. She even bowed her head when Jack would yell at her.
Another piece of compelling evidence is the old women bathroom scene. When he enters the bathroom there's a beautiful naked woman he imeadlety starts to kiss (never mind this is a' possed to b the woman who assulted his son). Suddenly the woman turns to an old nasty lady and starts laughing at him, hinting at some latent feelings of inadequacy towards women caused by a motherly figure.
Lastly His psychological torture of his wife towards the end is way disproportionate to what even he perceived her of doing. Like he was projecting long repressed emotions on her.
Thats interesting, after watching it for the first time I knew it was more about history repeating itself. I also saw a lot more connections to the Holocaust, like when his wife turned the power on in the movie and Jack started screaming uncontrollably. Also the Black cook, the racism I think corresponded with the rest of the Holocaust, but I think it went deeper than that to show like you said the Indian Bar rial ground and those happening, Jack said: I feel like I've been here before, like I knew what was around every turn. I feel like that is another theme of reoccurance, that history repeating itself and the fact that we know its happening if not consciously then subconsciously. The whole multi dimensional, multi personality thing, I can connect with dreams of the past, and connecting that back to what the Shining is, being able to see things that happen in the past and also the future, that we know the same things are going to happen but we deceive ourselves, or let the deceiving mind or alternate personalities take over anyways blinding us from the truth.
Finally someone with a fresh take on the movie that actually makes sense
Thanks, there so much that can be seen in this film, its only a matter of time before someone else blows this video out and discovers something new. thanks for the nice feedback.
I just watched your podcast about holy motors, and the quote in this "all life's problems are solved at the movies" I think really connects to your analysis of holy motors where you say that the film is this unseen dreamer working thru the problems he has in his waking life. The first time I saw holy motors it kinda fell flat for me, because I couldn't really figure out what it was saying when it kept switching between different movie genres. But with the quote you use in this video in mind, maybe it's a reflection on how films are kind of like dreams that let people explore and work thru issues.
Yeah thats how i felt really, like you i wasn't even going to watch Holy Motors because it seemed so strange but after watching it, i found it to be one of the most fun to talk about and explore because it was so interesting. Im sure other people have different ideas but i did feel like it was a process of dreams working through his internal issues.
really great analysis, thanks
Mind = Blown, when you played the beginning and the ending at the same time :O
ive been all over this film for a couple of years now. its so good to hear something new and fresh on it. im convinced your right about the old women. nice one!
Thanks thats awesome, i knew there was so much already out there on this film and that was my min goal, to add a little to the discussion on such a complex film.
What if the reason that Jack was in the in the picture in the last scene of the film was because Kubrick just wanted to show that the hotel was completely out from logic and nothing in there could make sense, or perhaps he wanted us as the viewers to go crazy either as Jack and see a thing at the very end which could not make sense? Thinking as Jack that he (Jack) was indeed always the caretaker as Delbert Grady claimed even in the 20's sentries or even earlier than that or even before The Overlook Hotel was even built. Jack Torrance was always the caretaker of the hotel.
Nathan Beer I always took the end as all of the caretakers who went insane and died in the hotel. In a way that they're all dead, and the picture is Hell
Well done Darren. One of the best clips on this subject for sure. Rob Ager's genocide clip is also pretty undeniable, imo. LOTS going on in this movie. Cheers!
Im halfway through the novel. Absolutely amazing. I'll come back to this video once i finish the book and watch the movie, something was just calling me to search up more about The Shining
I think you're mostly right, the twins I believe is a manifestation of how Jack thinks of his wife and child. Wendy dresses just like Danny does similar color schemes and hold hands throughout like in the maze. When he sees them flash dead that's Kubrick's foreshadowing of Danny and his mother's impending murder. Anyone ever wonder why Danny's "friend" Tony takes the form of his extending/retracting finger? Same length as his own manhood and the flaccid/erection of it to his finger This inferred to me Danny's sexual abuse from Jack along with the frequent use of bears throughout. Like the bears/suit would be some kind of protective armor
Way more compelling than anything in Room 237, I'd say. Well done.
Interesting! I would never link the two old ladies to the twins. However, Danny's vision of the murdered girls is in the end of the hallway.
Something that would connect them to the room 237 and the bathtub itself would be the possibility of a sick, crazy Grady having taken their bloody bodies to the bathtub after killing them. What do you think?
Maybe, i mean there so much going on in this film, I'm not surprised we see both Grady and the old ladies both in Bathrooms.
+Darren - MUST SEE FILMS You're right about the two old ladies in room 237 being the girls. You can tell they are different characters because they have different rot patterns on their skin. Good catch.
where mother is tho i wonder!!
Really great analysis!
Very good analysis!
Great job mate!
The Shining is my favorite film that I hate that everyone else thinks is great.
Good theory. This changes my whole outlook on the film
Good try, but I'm still very confused about many things:
1. Grady's daughters are not twins. At least that is what Jack was told in the beginning. So what's up with those twins (who are very clearly twins, not 8 and 10)? If they're not Grady's daughters, who are they? And why do they meet the same end as Grady's daughters?
2. When I first saw the film I assumed the rotting woman in the bathtub was Grady's wife, so it would've been one of Danny's visions: but it was Jack in there, not Danny. Danny allegedly went in before, and if it was a vision, then how could she have choked Danny? Why could Jack see her? Why did she appear younger first, and then appear twice rotting: once in the bathtub, then standing laughing? What does that mean?
Also, Grady's wife was supposedly killed in the same fashion as his daughters, not drowned.
And don't get me started on the picture in the end.
As a new guy to Kubrick's films, I think he really loved to fuck our head up really bad
In the book Doc had never seen those sisters (who're not twins) with his shining but in the movie I believe that those two girls are Grady's daughters because if I can recall they were killed by an axe which was shown in Danny's shining (unlike Jack who tried to kill Danny with a roque mallet).
The lady from the bathtub could choke Doc to death because she wasn't a vision, she was a shining, the hotel made him see that lady by Danny's shining and kill him, Jack in other hand who doesn't have the shining in the book he only heard her laughter behind the bathtub's certain and then he ran away from the room and confessed to Wendy that there was nothing odd in that room the Overlook made him to hear that woman as it let him speak with Lloyd and Grady, so Jack couldn't tell if she was old or young but Danny saw her as an young adult woman probably in her 30th or 40th.
They're manifestations of the hotel. That's my theory.
Hmm thanks for send that video through, i really enjoyed it, had some interesting points. I always enjoy people speaking about Kubrick in this way.
Really sharp analysis here.
4:28 Brilliant! I didn't follow what you were saying about the two old women but yes! Of course! The twins!
there alot of hype around the shining and the first time you watch it you might not be blown away, it took me a while to warm to it, like most of Kubrick's work.
Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.
wow, this was awesome. i've never considered this theory before.. bravo my friend
Very good analysis
Wow Darren, you are an absolute genie. Well done on this video. I watched the movie and i was fascinated by it. Keep up the good work :D
I'm not sure if someone has pointed this out already, but the "twin" doors of room 237 also support your theme. None of the other doors in the hallway have twin doors.
Another great video! The Shining is a masterpiece. I recently rewatched 2001 and I forgot how amazing it is! If only Kubrick was still alive.
Yeah, I know, I know (even though it's fully impossible to see the name of the article while actually watching the film). Come to think of it, it might be likely the reason Jack's reading Playgirl is that that issue has that article in it. I'm glad Anderson sticks to details that are possible to appreciate while actually watching.
Really interesting analysis.
At the end of the movie, its show Jack in a picture from 1921, what does that mean?
It simply means that when jack experienced the ballroom visions and met loyd, he was the devil because the overlook it haunted since they destroyed Indian territory for it then in the bathroom Grady gave jack the curse of the caretaker so that he would kill his family too but when he failed to the hotel claimed his soul and put it in the photo. Also in a deleted scene the boy is given his fathers tennis ball by a cop showing that the curse of the caretaker is passed to him
I havent figured that ome out yet but here are my theories:
1. Jack reincarnates.
(remember in the bathroom where the butler told him "You have always been the caretaker."?)
2. It symbolizes that his soul is claimed by the hotel. A similar picture shows him that hes in hell in the book.
+Skedoodlem makes sense
+Skedoodlem makes sense
+Alejandro Guillen I believe it means that Jack has the Shining too, but he's not completely aware of that gift. His deja Vu of the place is actually him remembering his past life, who was the caretaker as well. All of the ghosts in the hotel are aware that he is the same soul.
i loved the whole sexually abusive theory i watched the film 4 times and i still couldnt discover it, you backed it up flawlessly. But i think all the theories implied in the movie get a bit discredited with the last shot, for everyone trying to create a logic timeline and starting bringing the occult in the movie where is more about the human condition as u said. Brilliant movie ,eerie with many layers for us to discover and one of the best horror films without relying on cheap frights , and the more u think about it the scariest it gets !
Could you explain the photo at the very end?
I know right
Visionary I can explain it. Jack was sexual abused by his relatives. He’s a sexual abuser of Danny. Danny escapes the maze of never-ending inter generational abuse. Jack dies in the maze. Danny breaks the chain of abusers. Jacks spirit is happy about Danny’s freedom. That’s why Nicholson’s smile looks so much more natural - and not demonic in the photo. Notice the date of the Celebration photo. July 4 -Independence Day!!!
Interesting theory, especially if you include the patterns that are continued in Doctor Sleep. Thanks for sharing.
Wow! Good job. I'm really impressed.
Good show, Darren. 👏
Yeah its quite eye opening. I never came up with that idea, its been done before, but i watched the film this way to look for clues to connection my idea of the bath lady as a twin.
I haven't seen it but iv heard Chris Nolan talk about it, ill need to seek it out and watch it. thanks for sharing!
Wonderful analysis! I'm almost flabbergasted I haven't thought of this angle myself as it's a very solid theory!
I have to say, during my first (and subsequent) viewing(s) of the film, that shot of Danny in the bathroom talking to Tony always frightened me at my core and I could never explain why. Perhaps this is Danny's first time fainting from the trauma of sexual abuse?
In a way, The Shining is a twisted Oedipal story, but the abuse angle is also interesting.
I think you're close to the real meaning - the sexual and physical abuse of Danny by Jack, and the idea that abusers pass down their perversion to their victim. Also note that when the twins appear in the hallway - one is close to an Exit. I like the framing comparisons you've done with the rooms. Perhaps the old woman is Jack seeing his own perversion - initially sexual - but once he sees himself in the mirror, the sex turns grotesque.
I don't put any credence to the backwards/forwards stuff. Kubrick couldn't be sure ho many minutes he'd be forced to cut.
Also - I believe the whole time in the Overlook is a dream - maybe Wendy's. That explains the incongruities of things like the typewriter changing color. And the moving map outside the Hedge maze, and the TV w/I a power cord.
The very name "Overlook" Hotel has special meaning when you consider that Wendy is Jack's (goofey) puppet, and she overlooks his abuse of Danny.
that makes quite a lot of sense actually!
The secret of " The Shinning " does not lie in its possible meanings but in the unresolved questions that it raises ... in all things mysterious never explain as wrote HPL
The real message of the shining is that Gemini and Apollo 11 were planed and conducted as kamikaze missions.
Overlook hotel is Apollo program.
Jack Wendy and Danny are Apollo 11 crew.
The room 237 is the moon surface.
The beautifull lady is the hope for glory.
The ugly lady is The dead the astronaut faced on the moon.
The famous bloe job scene means that NASA (papa Bear) was ready to please the politicians - man in suit.
Wendy run scared when she understood NASA was ready to sacrifice human lives.
Stanley Kubrick is GENIUS!
The Shining is the best horror movie BECAUSE WHEN YOU ARE WATCHING IT YOU CAN FEEL THE HORROR THE ASTRONAUTS EXPERIENCED.
Dies Irae is commemoration for the dead.
Thanks, i'd love to do more of his films, but there so complex, enjoyable to watch and ponder over though.
It's crazy how a big band song from 1940's or whenever fits this movie
extraordinary analysis
Thanks man! working on the next video, coming out on Thursday!
I really enjoyed the video and theory. Keep it up
Thanks im glad you were able to identify a new idea. The first half of the video is a recap of other peoples discoveries for understanding and context in order to set up for the second half of the video. This film seems to be an never ending spiral where new thing can always be discovered. in another 30 years we'll laugh at the little amount we know now. maybe.
Thanks, what would you like to see next, im looking for a new project. not sure what film is worth tackling next.
excellent stuff.
this is such a good theory!
Its just like the Amityville Horror, history repeating itself.
Danny does inherit the evil spirit that followed and possessed Jack. "Doctor Sleep" (sequel to The Shining) shows the many similarities between father and son, both in circumstances and personality.
Very clever!
Interesting points man
Another intresting scene is the scene where jack is selling his soul to the overlook hotel in the gold room or how that thing is called
yeah that scene is haunting, although most of watch jack does it crazy in this film!
Nice work w/r/t the twins in the bathroom.
Citation needed: Room 237 included a playing of the film forwards and backwards simultaneously as suggested my MSTRMND (some deep internet blogger).
Really enjoyed this. Good work.
I'm glad you mentioned the ending where the hotel manager comes back. I always interpreted that as he was in the hotel the entire time.
I think the whole forward and back editing might be stretching things a little, but the film does seem to be meticulously edited with scenes and shots being cut to the exact first second of new minutes.
I like this theory a lot.
I had just posted a comment stating that it was obvious the old woman was the same one who attacked both Danny and Jack. And that Kubrick was using non-linear editing to show two events simultaneously. However, I just rewatched the room 237 sequence and something new jumped out at me. Both old ladies - the one who has just finished kissing Jack and the one rising out of the tub - have COMEPLETELY different hair. One has short hair and one has much longer hair. I don't think they're twins - Kubrick established his twins as identical - but I have no explanation for there being two "different" old creepy scary ladies in Room 237.
Really liked your interpretation, thnx very much!
Summed up The shining beautifully
I really love and appreciate this video. This scene has always been strange and frankly baffling to me as well. This interpretation has not occurred to me. I have a question though. If the twin girls were killed as children, why would they appear as adults to Jack? If they died young, why would their ghosts appear as old ladies? Thanks again.
Good job. Keep it up, mate.
AMAZING INSIGHT MAN!!!
I know what you mean. Im not saying this idea is correct but the fact that Kubrick was so detailed with his preparation, i could believe that he may have thought of it and since we'll never know its almost an even bigger mystery.
great work
great analysis
Yeh i have seen it and really enjoyed it. I know its a really nice subtle touch that tells us so much.
Room 237 is the scariest scene ever not just in the shining but in any movie.
Thanks dude for the explaination now i know how the movie ends. Thanks again?
best explained theory
Kubrick's films especially are so subjective, i have a hard time with A Clockwork Orange, but i love FMJ. Don't think theres ever a right or wrong answer, just how you feel about it personally.
Rob Ager recently did another amazing analysis of The Shining. I highly recommend you take a gander at it. The Shining is such an amazing film because it can be interpreted on so many different levels. It's a movie that actually can get more disturbing the more you watch it. Another Kubrick masterpiece.
My interpretation, after listening to numerous theories and revisiting the film many times over in detail is this: The Shining is Danny's story. He is literally writing it. His father was sexually and physically abusive toward him. Danny's father was also abused as a child. One day his mother finally saw exactly what was taking place, had a mental breakdown and killed his father. Danny is writing a story about how he killed his father as a means to cope with his dark memories. Room 237 is a traumatic memory that is warped by his imagination.
The movie explores themes of history repeating itself in negative ways and how Danny escaped that maze of negativity. It encompasses the decadent evil of the elite of America's past right down to the core breakdown of the family structure. Just thought I'd share my take on it. I know it's a long comment but when talking about a Kubrick film there's nothing like a short summary!
I await an analysis on Eyes Wide Shut now lol. I also have my own take on it but I'd love to hear yours!
Iv been following along with Rob's shining videos as they've been coming out, just great to hear more on this topic. Im tarting to think a little more like yourself in that its really Danny's story, thats a huge shift in perspective that is very interesting.
I had planned to do an analysis on EWS and even did most of the research but then i watch Robs video on his DVD and it hit on most of the staff i'd thought and discovered so i didn't want to just copy him. Really love EWS though, great movie and a lesser loved Kubrick work.