How Kubrick Adapted ‘The Shining’ into a Cinematic Masterpiece | Screenwriting
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- Опубліковано 30 сер 2017
- MORE HERE: Kubrick's Notes on The Shining - bit.ly/2vX01K1
Whenever I think of The Shining, I’m always amazed by the sheer number of iconic moments in a single movie. So, I wanted to take a look at the writing process and see how we ended up with such a masterpiece of cinema. Now, there have been plenty of great videos on The Shining as well as videos specifically about the script, but I want to go deeper. What exactly is happening from a storytelling perspective?
What was it like to collaborate with Kubrick on this screenplay? How did the movie wind up so different than Stephen King’s original novel? How close did they stick to the screenplay during production? What were Kubrick’s thoughts on horror? All that and more on this episode of Making Film...
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This video essay was written, edited, and narrated by Tyler Knudsen.
'The Shining' Original Script: bit.ly/2gkEXdr
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Sources:
The Shining by Rodney Hill (Kubrick Archives Book)
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The Shining - Frozen Material: Stanley Kubrick’s Adaptation of Stephen King’s Novel by Ursula Von Keitz
S.K. Reads S.K.
A Voix Nue - Stanley Kubrick Interview: • A Voix Nue: Stanley Ku...
- Just the parts on The Shining: • Video
The Soho News Interview With Stanley Kubrick by John Hofsess
Soho News Article: bit.ly/2wZ0X3W
“Stanley Kubrick companion” by James Howard
“Stanley Kubrick: New Perspectives” Ed. Richard Daniels
Novelist Diane Johnson hosted by Terrance Gelenter - • Novelist Diane Johnson...
Music:
“Midnight, the Stars, and You” by Al Bowlly Ray Noble & His Orchestra
“Ghost Town” by The Specials
“Home” by Henry Hall and His Gleneagles Hotel Band
“It’s All Forgotten Now” by Al Bowlly Ray Noble & His Orchestra
“Falling in Love” by Jan Garber
“Berceuse” by Clara Rockmore - Розваги
I actually think Wendy is an incredibly strong character and not weak. After all she doesn’t crack up living in isolation for months, Jack does. She never complains or shows Jack her insecurities. She is completely selfless and puts everyone before herself. She has absolutely no ego.
She's very sensitive and emotionally fragile, but she has an incredibly strong character that sees her through once it gets its footing. But it takes a while for the switch to occur.
@@Theomite I think someone else said this before, but she is a weak and passive person...who overcomes it. A weak person becoming strong is much more interesting than a strong person being strong.
She was certainly stronger than Jack since she survived the assault by Jack and the Overlook ghosts in both the book and the film. I think Kubrick made her "appear" weak to make her seem more vulnerable, a victim. Even the way she holds the bat suggests a person who has little or no experience in sports or competition. In actuality she was both a victim and survivor of long-term domestic abuse. Much more compelling and multi-dimensional than the book IMO. Fuck what Stephen King has been bitching about, I think Kubrick's Wendy is in no way misogynistic.
People didn't like Shelley Duvall's Wendy because she's so different from the book and people somehow connect the word "different" to the word "inferior". Someone else on UA-cam mentioned that most people would have similar reactions if they were in Wendy's situation in real life but they like to think they would handle a murderous, axe wielding maniac with more dignity. Maybe a few exceptionally brave souls would - war veterans come to mind - but most people would be scared shitless. Stanley Kubrick, who was a brilliant filmmaker but was also a manipulative and abusive asshole towards his performers, did everything he could to genuinely frighten Shelley Duvall. She still has the mental scars 40 years later so when she looks scared in the movie, that fear is real.
She beat his ass with that bat
King criticized Kubrick for his representation of Wendy, however by the end of the movie she is the true hero, finally standing up to Jack and ultimately saving Danny. And even throughout the movie adaptation, she took care of everything - maintenance, meals, attending to Jack and Danny. She was much stronger than people think.
King also portrayed her as a very beautiful blond. I just don't think that would have worked in the film and, to be honest, I don't think it really works in the book once one realises what Jack Torrance is actually like.
@@ivorbiggun710 It didn't work in the TV series, anyways. It just became too romantic and cheesy lol. In the movie, Wendy is a fair representation of someone who's been mentally abused for years.
king's characterization is not preferable (in the book she's a ballbuster, and that's it).
@@ivorbiggun710 except in the book Jack is TRYING to be better for his wife and son. He loves them deeply. His fall isn't the inevitable descent of a crazy person into crazier lunacy, but the erosion of a man with flaws who is attempting to fix them by a supernatural entity exploiting those flaws.
@@briancrocker3377 it was sad near the end of the book when Jack came back to himself one last time telling Danny to run and that everything was going to be ok, Danny felt so GUILTY about leaving his father behind to die. I actually felt like crying because Jack had no control of his possession and truly didn’t want to kill Wendy or Danny (he tried so hard to be the best for the two.) Danny felt like he could help his father escape, but knew that even if they did save him, Jack would have felt guilty and would be mentally traumatized forever, possibly ending his marriage (which Danny was scared about since he could read his parents thoughts.) It was a sad experience since any ending would have been horrible no matter how you went about it.
.. "incedently, Kubrick was offered to direct the exorcist but turned it down."
My god that would have been the freakiest thing ever put to screen.
Meme Man I was goddamn chocked when he said that! But it was definitely for the better, because now we got The Shining, and The Exorcist is a masterpiece as well. Ironically, it’s one of Kubrick’s favorite films.
No you Yes, I believe you are.
No you Yeah, I know. But I don’t think that King ever really was a huge fan of Kubrick. Although, I didn’t mean it as an insult to you.
No you I also don’t believe that he was really against him, just not a huge fan.
that's really sucks
"... a terrifying prospect to realize all the books there are in the world that you're never going to read... the irreplaceable experience of reading it for the first time." Great insights into Kubrick's attitude, thank you.
that book sucked.
What I love most is some of the most iconic moments, like *"HERE'S JOHNNY!"* are completely improvised
Agreed. Good directors let the actors collaborate on making the scenes better!
They did it to get the maximum reaction out of Wendy. She had no idea what the plan was the whole time.
I remember when the film came out (and I should as I was a "gopher" on the film during the exterior shoots in Colorado as an eighteen-year-old) and King hated "what Kubrick did" to his book. I had read his book and realized immediately that it would have made a terrible movie had anyone tried to shoot it like the book even if that were possible - and it wasn't. A great experience for me as a kid and a real insight into both Kubrick's extraordinary attention to detail as well as his voluminous temper. No, he didn't set foot in Colorado as he was, famously, afraid to fly so sent his 2nd unit director, Brian Cook, D.P. John Alcott and art director, Jan Harlan (a really lovely man) in his place. I could hear him yelling on the phone back at the motel before the day's shoot began and, on more than one occasion caught the second-hand anger from Brian or John, myself. Kubrick films weren't exactly relaxed or even very happy sets. But he was a fantastic director, wasn't he? The Shining has actually gotten more respect with time than when it first came out. I have always seen its flaws pretty clearly; it isn't a perfect film, but it's still one of the few truly great films in the horror genre.
Mr Kennerly, Wow! Good comments. How interesting! And what a great experience so early in your career. (How'd you get the job?). Get on yr comp and leave a longer comment.
I've seen the movie a few times and just seeing these little snippets from the film have me rattled!
That woman in the tub... 😨😨😨😨😨
ABC made a tv movie the shining based on book with Steve weber/rebecca demornay trying to show what book was about. I saw the movie first and movie was very scary for a young boy.
Stephen King is a bit of a Hack. He used to think he could make movies...until he tried it and found out it wasn't as easy as he thought. Made one of the worst movies of all time.
Kubrick: "The screenplay is the most uncommunicative form of writing ever devised." Kubrick and Johnson used King's novel as a framework, and the various scripts were an example of Kubrick's constant experimentation as he turned over every possible idea and variation in his mind. His thinking worked to continue to examine all ideas right through to the actual shooting process, allowing actors to produce new possible ideas for him to choose from. He made an analogy with his filmmaking tactics and chess, in not choosing the first good idea you have: "You sit at the board and your heart leaps. Your hand trembles to pick up the piece and move it. But what chess teaches you is sit there calmly and think about whether it's really a good idea, and whether there are other, better ideas."
Ofinfinitejest Why did you wrie this? This is exacly what was said in the video
Miguel Pereira - Your statement is false; the two Kubrick quotes in my post are *not* in the video--neither is the total extremity of Kubrick's dismissal of how poorly a screenplay communicates, nor the insight of the chess analogy Kubrick made more than once in regard to his methods of writing and directing. This important link to chess was his own emphasis, and my main point as well, in examining alternates and choosing new ones based on emerging insights in the strategic yet fluid manner of creativity in playing that specific game. So to answer your unthinking and incorrect remark, the reason I wrote the post is that I think both quotes, and especially the one about the chess analogy (Kubrick was a life-long and skilled player) give insight into the artist's mind that augment what is in the video, and I thought would be of interest to other Kubrick fans.
So before you produce a post of this sort again, you may want to have someone help you to understand what is in both the video and in the post you are responding to, and perhaps help you with your spelling as well.
Ofinfinitejest - Brutal.
In comparison: Stephen King wrote the script for his 1997 miniseries in one draft and the studio made no requests for changes.
In the words of Emanuel Lasker: if you find a good move, look for a better one
This video really made me think about The Shining and how it was written and translated to film. In many ways, it supports what I've always thought about books to film adaptations. Because films are mostly visual, you will never be able to interpret the book to match a film version perfectly. For one, as a reader, you develop your own interpretation of what's going on in the story within your own mind. No two people will experience a book the same way. So, to expect a film adaptation of a book to satisfy everyone is not only impossible, but insanely unrealistic.
Not necessarily so.
THE GODFATHER film is a significant improvement over the source material book and there are several others including
~ PSYCHO
~ THE GRADUATE
~ JAWS
~ STARSHIP TROOPERS
To name only a few, There are many more.
VFX Todd this is why I never watch the movie if I've read the book. I know it can't live up to my imagination
The Godfather novel is pulp. Even Puzo admitted he wrote it as a quickie to earn cash because he was struggling to make a living as a serious writer. In the history of literature, it is remembered only because it as the source material of one of the great American films
I disagree. Sometimes a film can tell a story so successfully that it completely
changes the perception of the story you may have had as a reader.
And a great film can even have such an impact that its images become imprinted
on the minds of people, and those images become the new accepted standard for
what that particular story is "supposed" to look like.
Mind you, it doesn't happen often. ;)
My point was that no two people can perceive or interpret the story from a book the same way, that when translated to film they both have the same experience as they did from the book. A great film doesn't tell the story the way it was "supposed" to, it tells the story however the filmmakers chose to tell the story. You can't impose a standard of a story on an audience simply because you created a film that others perceive as great or good.
Just look at all the fans of books that cry whenever they see a film version that they insist didn't tell the story "right". Fans make the mistake of assuming that they know what details were the most important to include in the film version of the book's story, forgetting that no film could possible capture all of the details and plot turns from the book.
Thank you for showing Diane Johnson's contribution to this great work of art.
I love the song "Midnight, The Stars, and You" from The Shining
If you've ever seen Lolita, you know Sellers is doing an impression of Kubrick as Claire Quilty. Perfect impression.
"Lolita" I watch every few months or so. Ditto Dr. Strangelove and 2001, A Space Odyssey.
*Same initials* :
Stanley Kubrick, Stephen King
#room237confirmed
Jack Daniels
Jack & Danny
King's novel was inspired by his stay at The Stanley Hotel.
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PlayTheMind Half life 3 confirmed
SC Santa clause, Scott Calvin. Same initials. 😂
So coming from Kubrick himself, the storeroom being unlocked from the outside was nothing more than actual proof of supernatural intervention. Take that, level-headed analysts! 💥
I'm always so much taken by the artistry of the shining that i totally forget that its a horror film.
It is not a horror film.
rdecredico, I swear you do this just to wind people up. Go on then, thrill us with your contrarian take.
"A horror film is a movie that seeks to elicit a physiological reaction, such as an elevated heartbeat, through the use of fear and shocking one's audiences" That's The Shining to a tee.
It's a candy and a chewing gum.
Mr. Braddock Were you personally horrified?
It's a romantic comedy
I was so attached to the book (I've read it at least three times, I love it, it's one of my SK favs) that I was unable to enjoy The Shining when I saw it for the first time. I had to get it out of my system to enjoy the movie when I saw it again, a few years later. It is outstanding and amazing, how Kubrick's treatment actually improved very good neogothic horror novel for screen adaptation. But I think I also had to grow up to appreciate it.
Cheers.
I was much the same. Loved the book and then was really disappointed in the film (although the hedge maze was a big improvement over the topiary). But, for me, I still just don't get the overall hype on the film, and I'm a big Kubrick fan. Amazing filmmaking, of course, but ... I don't know. Maybe I'm just too stupid to understand it. The third act just went off the rails for me.
I think Kubrick like Ken Russell made every film an Experience....you always feel like you've gone through something rather than just watching a film 😎👍
Who is excited for this video? This guy. I love Kubrick, I love King, I love The Shining and I love you too Tyler.
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These lies are so good people think they are real._.
Soon tba, The Disney nursery crimes._. After Donald and mickey are done playing president and vice president .
Tyler and BTC sitting in a tree,
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Great video. I've seen plenty of videos on The Shining, but rarely on the script. The alternate endings are super interesting
It’s between hereditary and the shining for my favorite horror film. Truly one of the best looking and most atmospheric and deep movies.
Hereditary is good if you ignore the fucking atrocious last 15 minutes of the film
Make a video about a clockwork orange
Read the book lad.
Omg I love that movie!
It's just myself, so it is. Why do you say that?
Read the book and seen the film. Like both for different reasons.
Kubrick style of horror or psychological thrillers have a very abstract feel to them in their creations, his insular use of the weird and unnatural make him such a unique and totally original director. Using human pschyy and their anxietys , by planting the seed of fear visually on the screen in the audiences mind , it then manifests in their fears, and grows in their own imaginations. He was a master at manipulating the audience, and captivating in his execution to detail and the process of squeezing every drop of energy from every scene. Genius
he was offered to Direct The Exorcist! so much as i love stanley, i think Friedken nailed it..that was his
i have to disagree with your point about jack and wendy's back story not being relevant for one reason. in the book, jack isnt evil, hes just in the middle, the hotel is evil and uses him as a tool to do what it wants, while in the movie jack is more evil, the hotel just sort of goads him, aids him. this is the main difference between the two and why i personally enjoy the book more, at the end jack tells danny he loves him before the hotel takes over and jack smashes his own face in giving the hotel full control. also stephen king has said the main difference he sees is that at the end of his book, the boiler explodes and the whole hotel gets destroyed, while in kubricks it freezes. sort of a dark story with a semi bright ending, versus just a dark story, not that either are inherently better.
He wasn't evil, but he was hard to like. Sabotaged every opportunity to better himself and takes his wife and kid with him. Jack Torrence is a douche.
To each his own obviously. Jack isn't really "evil" to any extent beyond that we know he hurt Danny's arm while drunk so he's no father of the year. I like that the hotel remained standing in the movie and then you see Jack's picture hanging in the Lobby from another lifetime and you know that this whole thing is going to play out again, probably over and over.
Jack is an abusive alcoholic. May be that's not exactly evil, but it's heading down that road.
@@barbarasmith6005 but in the book he is trying to get better, and his love for his family is evident. That isn't the case in the movie. His fall in the book is tragic, as you are going he can fight off the hotel and save himself and his family. In three movie he's barely above a Mike Myers or Jason Voorhees
i think the reason the film is a masterpiece is that you cannot know if jack is evil, or if the hotel is. like it says in the video, the mystery and the stimulating of the audience's imagination without an actual answer IS the effect, an answer just ruins it. duality of meaning has never been one of King's strengths
I've been so jaded by all the Kubrick vids I've seen on The Shining but this was a fresh new take with information I've not yet been exposed to despite how much has been written on the movie. Great point about the importance in the movie on Jack being freed with the sliding bolt on the freezer door. So many reviewers and critics maintain that the movie is a psychological thriller and the events are all taking place in the mind of Jack which is ridiculous to anyone who has actually read the novel. The Overlook is haunted as fuck. End of story.
Or Jack used the Shining to open the door himself. Who says Danny and Dick are the only people who have it?
I've always argued that point about the door being unlocked from the outside too. Nice to hear it confirmed by Kubrik himself, isn't it?
@@tomnorton4277 I've never read the book, so maybe it's in there, but "Shining" is a form of clairvoyance, not telekinesis. I've never picked up on anything in the film that implied "Shining" involved moving objects with the mind & I must have seen it over 100 times now.
@@runlarryrun77 Ever noticed the cans with the Indian chief on them that appear behind Jack and Dick's heads when they're in the storage room? One can appears for Dick, two appear for Jack because his Shining is stronger. That wouldn't happen twice to the same props in one movie if it was a mistake. Kubrick deliberately put them there to indicate that Dick and Jack summoned them telekinetically without consciously realising it.
We just have to accept that the hotel is haunted AND it's all in the mind of Jack. No way past the ambiguity.
Brilliant work. I know you were concerned about other videos focusing on the screenplay, but the way you've presented the information is exactly in keeping with your style which is just what I wanted to see. Here's looking forward to the next one!
Magnus Prophecy I watch your videos too.
Thanks! I was really stressing out over this one and it's good to hear that it works. Really enjoying your vids too!
Oh cool, I didn't know that you'd seen them!
Kubrick did read Stephen King's screenplay but he thought it was bad writing so rewrote the script along with Johnson, antagonizing Stephen King.
Has Diane Johnson written anything of any significance since then? Stephen has about 40 best sellers since then. Rest my case.
@@maxwellstupid5253
Has Stanley Kubrick with the help of Johnson create one of the best movies ever?
Is Stanley Kubrick considered one of the greatest filmmakers ever?
Did Diane Johnson approach Kubrick or was it the other way around?
Is Stephen King considered amongst the greatest writers ever? No.
Is he considered one of the more prodigious writers? Perhaps.
I rest my case.
@@maxwellstupid5253 No need to diss Diane to kiss Kubrick's ass.
As always, fantastic video once again Tyler. Your works on Kubrick are unparalleled on UA-cam or otherwise, it's like watching a 20 minute documentary, please never stop
Dude, check out Rob Ager of Collative Learning.
That picture of Kubrick filming the hedge maze: it’s so strange to see all of those people in the Overlook. It completely shatters that feeling of foreboding isolation i get when I normally see that set.
I saw the movie before I read the book. I enjoyed the book, but it's no literary masterpiece. Kubricks film however, is a cinematic masterpiece.
Absolutely loathed the miniseries.
I enjoyed the miniseries. No its not better than kubricks version at all yet i liked the miniseries lol king is my fav writer yet hes completely wrong about his hatred of kubricks version. Like the video said kubrick stripped away all the "fluff" from the book and focused more on the terrifying aspects and the film was a masterpiece no matter how King feels about it. The best king miniseries is Storm of the Century then The Stand
@@chanelhenderson8460 what do you by all the ''fluff''?
@@darnellmajor9016 kubrick cut out what he thought wasnt needed for the movie. Its mentioned that he didnt like the hedge animals coming to life. Well i didnt either i read the book seen kubricks version of i dunno 700 times and seen the miniseries. He also cut out why jack got fired wendys isssues with her mom and so on and so forth "fluff" was just a term to symoblize what Kubrick didnt want in the film. Could be called filler too whatever works i guess?
Darnell Major all the unimportant details. You don’t need to see hedge animals come to life to understand it’s a spooky place. You can tell from the girls who just want to play.
@@Prince_Luci it's important NOT to see hedge animals come to life.
I've never seen anything so unintentionally comical; they look like pigs grubbing about in a field.
Kubrick used the King novel merely as a framework for the story he wanted to tell about "uncanniness". King got his feathers in a ruffle because Kubrick didn't stay true to King's story. But then, King shouldn't have sold the rights. Much like a Jazz musician takes a musical "standard" as the basis to explore different ideas - Kubrick used King's novel/plot as a structure - and then took it into another level. Kubrick was very much into psychological exploration of Jung.
K McKenna without Kubrick ? We wouldn’t have this movie. King should thank him for making his book into the scariest movie that messes with you and sticks with you for a lifetime
I always wonder what it would be like if Robin Williams played Jack since he was chosen first. Now that would have been interesting to see a funny guy like that turned into a killer, its like seeing a darker version of Popeye which he and Shelly did together. Maybe he might pop somebody's eye out.
speaking of characters....I think Kubrick liked Sissy Spacek's character in 1976 "Carrie". Shelley Duvall look was just the same, meek and weak.
Well at least we got Insomnia
Shazbot, Wendy!
"One Hour Photo" is as close as you can get in seeing an insane Robin Williams.
He is just the perfect example of turning someone from a babyface to a heel.
loved this dude, keep it up
leave me alone!
How did I not know about your channel until today? I’ve been looking for content like this for years. Thank you!! Can’t wait to check out more of your content.
I am just discovering your content and binge watching all of your Kubrick material. Being a huge fan of his work and knowing quite a bit about his career and life it’s nice to find someone like you who knows quite a bit more than I do. You really shed new light and deeper insight to everything. Keep up the great work and thank you for all you do.
I love The Shining. It's the most mathematically perfect horror movie.
@BLAIR M Schirmer how so?
@BLAIR M Schirmer Kubrick never failed!
BLAIR M Schirmer Elaborate or you’re fucking stupid
@BLAIR M Schirmer Failures of Kubrick's can still mathematically perfect!
The shining is so full of open ended questions and theories and perfectly calculated shots and frames, it doesn’t feel like it’s that deep of a film but it blows my mind how far into it you can look, it has so many dimensions. I think Kubrick was a high IQ genius. I can’t believe how much vision is put into this film.
I have seen every Kubrick video on your channel several times over, and they never get old. Seriously, thank you for making really amazing content and as soon as I can afford it, your channel is the only one I'd support on patreon. Keep up the awesome work
Thanks so much! I really appreciate it!
15:56 That's my favorite part of the movie, when Hollaran gets it, it was so unexpected and sudden.
Terrific job! There's a lot of Shining videos on UA-cam, but I like how you dive deep with behind the scene stories. Kubrick is always an interesting topic.
Marvelous piece of work on your part - the quote selections; the editing. Very helpful. Thank you most sincerely for making this!
I wonder what would have the exorcist looked like if Kubrick had directed it
I think it could have been great. Although I like it as is.
Banana Man he was suppose to direct the Exorcist?!?!?
Fukkkkkk
@@dAdpool-lt2zh He was offered it, I believe, but turned it down.
No need for Kubrick on that one, William Friedkin created a masterpiece.
a lot better
This video was well done. I enjoyed hearing that Kubrick allowed a lot of collaboration and improvisation
Incredible video as always, you put a lot of effort in researching and arranging the video to present the information. Thank you very much.
Love your channel, wish you posted more often but I'm sure these take a long time to put together. Congrats on the increasing sub count!
feel free to keep making kubrick vids forever. yours are the ONLY ones of any actual substance on youtube
SavageArfad i like rob but so much of his stuff is hit or miss due to reaching
Incredible video. Thanks so much!
Tyler this was your best video to date. Please, more and more story development analysis like this.
I like how your background music evokes the Overlook Hotel. The amount of information on here is incredible as always.
This was such a great video to watch :D I love character analysis and I enjoy story analysis (to a point, in this case, yes!) And I'm particularly fond of this movie. I think you did an awesome job, thank you very much!
Now this is some quality video! You can tell that you put a lot of effort in making this one and it really really pays off (or of, i'm Dutch and i'm too lazy to check the right 'of'). Great video, just loved it!!
It's "off". It usually is: Pay off, piss off, lay off, rip off, fuck off, etc.
Jesus, guy. This MAY BE the best, most riveting exploration into film/story architecture I’ve ever seen on YT. If this doesn’t get me to sub, nothing will. Hats off to YOU, sir!
👏👏
Can we appreciate how there’s old music playing in the background, it fits so amazingly.
Never stop doing kubrick analysis videos. They're so good
Interesting soundtrack you decided on for the start. I can't get the goofy thoughts of Simon Pegg and Nick Frost out of my head.
Thank you for such good insights & take on The Shining. Really liked the way you explained it & gone into detail. It would have taken you many hrs to make this, so, much appreciated.
An excellent exploration of the creative process! I love it. Keep up the great work.
This is a Non-Submersible Video Unit! LOVED it!!!
What an OUTSTANDING video! This is great! Great job. You earned a sub👍👍👍
I've seen a number of videos about this film but I appreciated the fresh perspective in this one.
This is an excellent effort and an amazingly altruistic and selfless effort to pull all this together and put it on UA-cam. It's simply a great gift for the rest of us. Thank you.
The old women being The Grady Twins theory makes sense.
No it doesn't. The twins were murdered when they were children.
@solomon kane there is no such number in the book
@@dovermcmanus4595 yeah, just at the time when their father worked as overseer at the hotel... if he actually worked there at all
In the book the woman in room 217 was suicide.
Grady murdered his family in 1970 according to the story so that would mean the twins would be around 18 years old in 1980. Seems unlikely the twins where in room 237
Sweet! You have the best Kubrick vids Ty.
just came across your channel, and videos. you're doing a great job, dude, and i appreciate all of the effort you are putting into your projects. thank you.
Fantastic video that indulges the viewer with the aptitude of somebody who knows how movies are made and expounds on that for us the amateur !
One of my favorite movies ever.
outstanding video! i found a lot of interesting parallels and contrasts in Kubrick's writing process relative to my own as i was reflecting on the video. definitely informed some new approaches i'm interested to try. small piece of feedback about your video production though- really well edited throughout, but leave your end slate up longer! i waited until you finished speaking before i moved to go check out your patreon & had to rewind back into the video to get the convenient link back. it's a small ease-of-use thing, but i'd hate to see a minor inconvenience cut off the potential of more patronage for your excellent channel. keep up the great work with your videos, i look forward to each one!
Thanks! Unfortunately the new end card editor only allows me to put the links up for the last 20 seconds of the video. I really wish annotations were still allowed.
Excellent. Best video I've yet seen on The Shining. Thank you.
I am soooo impressed with your presentation and story-telling.
After watching several of your vids, I’m a sub and will soon be a Patreon member.
Thank you for time, effort and vision which is obviously of high caliber.
Keep it up! 👍🏼👍🏼👋🏻👋🏻
The 4th draft was really dark, but that would've been a real experience on film.
Topher S I'd love to see student films (or experimental films) recreate these scraped scenes.
Thank you again Cinema Tyler for doing this analysis. This contemporary culture needs you as the sick needs the medicine.
I like it how you used the carpet design of the hotel as a backdrop at some points in this video
You analyses make these film breath in new ways. Thanks for feeding our heads.
Please please do Eyes Wide Shut.
Very underrated film.Kubrick died during the making of this film and it was finished by another director.If he would have lived he would of directed A.I but it was instead directed by Steven spielberg.
christianrepizo no he died within days of showing the final cut to the studio.. No other director filmed it. There was 23 minutes removed from the film that the stadio demanded be taken out!! Very strange actually! Kubrick didn't want to change the film..then he died and the film was changed anyways.
christianrepizo he died 6 days after showing the final cut to the studio
christianrepizo what other director did u think finished the film?? Ppl tend to believe he showed pedophilia within secret societys and the studio was like, hell NO! The end of the film shows the 2 same men from the party following the little girl around the store. I believe they stay in the cult and sell their daughter into it. And Nicole Kidman knew all along. That's why her eyes are open in the poster art work.
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Exactly right ! I couldn’t believe it when I saw that scene.... and it looks like a couple of the guys at the big house / sex party, That bill goes to, that the daughter walks away with . And then there’s stuffed bear toys .. maybe a reference to ghat ceeepy bear in the shining scene at the end
this is excellent. thanks
Found your channel today. Thanks for all the great videos. Really like them.
Great video as always!
Shelley Duvall was perfectly cast. Her facial expressions are perfect horror.
Kubrick said a screen play is the worst way to present a film. A graphic novel is better.
it's all about the storyboard
Although Kubrick's screenplays were brilliant (all his films nominated for the Academy Awards and BAFTAs earn him a nomination for Best Screenplay), the cinematography, the montage, the color and direction always overshadowed the storyboard.
Juan Uceda you don’t get it, cinematography, montage, colour et al..IS NOT in the screen play. That’s all done on storyboards, which is essentially a graphic novel. So a graphic novel is how a screen play should be done. That’s why many films these days are completely based on comics and graphic novels. Directors like Kubrick, Ridley Scott completely work from the story boards, animatics et al they create. Not the screen play. It’s worth you understanding this, picking up books on say alien, Star Wars And looking at the storyboards. 🤯🤯🤯🤯
Juan Uceda for example, I picked up the book on A.I. And you can see the highly detailed storyboards Kubrick created for A.I. Although Spielberg directed it, he was working entirely from Kubrick storyboards and vision. 🤯🤯
@@hanniffydinn6019 Of course, I got it. That's why I stated that those cinematographic elements were more outstanding than a simple written script (the screenplay). Many critics rely on a screenplay as the core of a film (The Godfather, The Silence of the Lambs and many others). The storyboard is more challenging and that's something few directors could manage (Kubrick, Scott, Welles). That's why Kubrick was a genius!!! His way of making films was so subjective that his techniques were not completely understood.
About what I said... Try to watch a Kubrick film and focus on what the characters are saying... you cannot do it... (it's like you become part of the film) his shots are so unfathomable (for example, 2001) that you pay attention to those cinematographic elements, despite the fact his screenplays were quite brilliant.
Kubrick, King and Nicholson are the same kind of strangeness.
Keep up the good work CinemaTyler. Really good video
Your videos are quite simply FANTASTIC! All of them..... They are engrossing and beautifully edited...... Thank you 🙏🙏🙏👍
Hey CinemaTyler, I find this video and your other Stanley Kubrick videos to be amazing. I've never seen a documentary on 2001: A Space Odyssey to be as interesting, in depth and well done as your series on the film and I've seen many. I could tell that you're a fan of Kubrick, I am also, which leads me to ask if you've ever thought about doing a series of analyses on The Shining as you did on 2001? I know that the technical aspects of The Shining are not quite as in depth as 2001, but there is so much lore surrounding the movie and with your level of research maybe you could shine some light on what was going through Kubrick's mind during the project: from his research on marketing, to his obvious commentary on Native American genocide, to the continuity errors and impossible aspects to the hotel and so on. It would be great to see some serious research done on such an important movie for the horror genre. Thanks for the great videos.
Thanks for the kind words! I don't have plans to do a cohesive series on The Shining like I did with 2001, but I would certainly like to make more videos on other aspects of The Shining!
Whoa!! Did anyone else notice there is a bloody hand print on the ass of the woman walking by 13:43 ? I've watched the film over a dozen times and never noticed it. Was it intentional?
Cana Dude Bien vu
With Kubrick, it's probably wise to assume that every tiny detail is deliberate and well thought out in advance.
It's Stanley Kubrick, a perfectionist who was also one of the greatest cinematic geniuses, if not the greatest, in the history of filmmaking. Every single thing in the movie was part of his plan.
Except for the parts which are mistakes, which everyone tries to spin as deliberate, even after hearing him say in this very video that he's very open to coming up with things in the moment. The chair that vanishes and then reappears behind Jack when he's chewing out Wendy for interrupting him is just a mistake, probably due to a reshoot. As for the alleged handprint, it's hard to be sure looking at it here, but it could just be folds in the fabric creating shadows. It sure as hell doesn't have a thumb.
Even the parts that were mistakes work for the overall story. Kubrick deliberately moved some things around, like when Jack tore paper out of his typewriter and another piece magically appeared in its place. Either Jack or the Overlook "shined" a piece of paper in there while Jack was talking to Wendy. It's impossible to know how many of the little inconsistencies weren't deliberate but you can pinpoint a few that were if you look hard enough. Kubrick took what would normally be considered movie mistakes and used them to his advantage.
Very inspiring were the last four minutes or so of the video. Many great bits of information throughout that are great for working, especially within this genre. One of my favorite shot films ever as well. Kubrick was a delight and I think for as simple as he thought the premise was of this film in its eventual simplicity of the final script, I think it ended up being unintentionally, perhaps, maybe his best film.
Love the talk of all the different endings they had. Esp Wendy killing Jack and then Grady walks over to hallorann grinning saying "good evening chief". Classic
All of Kubrick's films have been my "favorite" at one time or another, and while I concede 2001: ASO, is the greatest film of all time, as decades have gone by, The Shining has prevailed as my all-time favorite Kubrick film.
The acting, the camera work, the lighting, the music, the hotel.....it is the greatest horror film ever, by far. I can't watch it enough. I can't wait until every late October, when it will appear on the big screen at the local art house theater.
As a book its good, but the movie is GREAT! I could give a shit that the movie is nothing like that book. For me, it is Nicholson's greatest performance. Even Shelley Duvalll was perfect for the role of Wendy. She plays the role of the most annoying wife ever, perfectly. Part of you almost wants Jack to bury that axe in her head.
I would recommend that you watch “The Wendy Theory,” on you tube here. It involves Kubrick’s own under the surface way of telling a story. Kubrick as a chess player, has many stories going on at once in Shining. The Urben legend Apollo 11 confession story is in there as well.
This is crazy.! I never imagined so much thought was out in to this, it’s mind blowing as a fan when I just see the end project
So well researched! Well done
Stanley Kubrick's The Shining is way better than that stupid TV miniseries version that came out in 1997. (The following is an extra comment, made on 10-13-18). Interesting that most of King’s inner monologue was cut for the purpose of developing the screenplay. I’ve found that many of King’s novels that are great, but don’t translate well to the movie or TV screen, are stories where the thought processes of the characters are mostly internal and difficult if not impossible to put into a visual medium. While the movie version was much better than the TV miniseries, it should be noted that Stephen King was such a genius that he caught the attention of Stanley Kubrick, another genius, and he developed a fabulous horror movie that combined the best of both worlds.
collegeman1988 that is an UNDERSTATEMENT.
Stanley Kubrick basically danced circles around Steven King whilst sticking his tongue out at him. Although I guess King can now dance on Kubrick's grave so it evens out in the end.
It's a great example of how what works in a book doesn't always work great on film. I enjoyed the book, and I enjoyed Kubrick's film. The mini-series, which was far more faithful to the book, was godawful.
Chim chim charoo, mate.
I saw that much later and it was truly awful. Even the actors were awful
I’m glad that Kubrick changed a lot of the source material, I mean- really Stephen! Hedge animals?
kings book is mediocre
kid stuff
pop psychology crap
Your videos are getting better and better, great storytelling.
Really enjoyed this; thank you for creating and sharing.
we DON T NEED TO KOW ! if only film makers today would only apply Kubrick advice :)
Sich „heimisch“ fühlen = feel like home
Etwas „heimlich“ tun = do sth hidden
„Unheimlich“ = scary
This was a a very interesting and highly informative video about the art of film making. Thank you for pursuing this subject.
Beautiful Video. Just thank you for making it
There aren't many directors I can think of who stuck rigorously to the ideas they first envisioned, and still
ended up with a fantastic end result. I suppose Hitchcock, Kurosawa and Tarkovsky belong in that rare
category, but it must be a very difficult thing to continously produce marvelous work without ever giving
in to the temptation of incorporating the ideas of others or spontaneous happy accidents that inevitably
occur on set during a shoot.
Personally, I'd prefer to do it the way Stanley did. I mean, it's one thing to be an auteur with a personal
vision, but if you completely dismiss the input of others, regardless of whose idea is the better, then it
becomes about selfish ego, which is rarely what's best for the film you're trying to make.
Almost no feature film is made by one man alone. It's, by practical necessity, a collaborative process,
very much like the running of a ship. You need a captain to make crucial decisions, but if the captain
refuses to listen to his crew, you're gonna hit the iceberg.
Anyway, I like The Shining as a book. But I think Kubrick improved on a lot of aspects of the story.
By cutting out silly things like the hedge animal sculptures/monsters, and telling the story as a tale
of extraordinary things happening within a fairly mundane setting, as seen subjectively through the eyes
of each character, he allows us, the audience, to experience what happens in the film in a seemingly
realistic way.
In "ordinary" horror films, you're watching the characters from a distance being scared. And by rooting
for them, you get scared when they find themselves in potentially dangerous situations.
And if that doesn't work, there's always the cheap jump scare tactic to employ.
But when you watch The Shining, YOU are feeling the frustrations of Jack, YOU are Wendy being terrified
in the bathroom and YOU are Danny running for his dear life inside the maze.
And that's what separates a great horror film from the trash: the ability to transport you to a place where
anything can happen so realistically that you cannot help but feel that you're actually there yourself in the moment.
And a horror film which can achieve this in spite of being based around supernatural and fantastical elements
is all the more impressive.
Interesting points. I agree.
Things happen when you're filming that you can't ignore. I directed a short called "Butterfly Girl". In one take of a shot of the main character, the Butterfly Girl, a butterfly randomly flew across the screen. You can't ignore that kind of serendipity when shooting. Naturally that take made it into the final cut.
To those that dislike the movie in favor of the book, remember that no one would be having discussions of the book decades later if Kubric wouldn't have made the movie. Kubric took a forgettable novel and made it into a movie that will be discussed more than all of Kings books combined.
King has written great books of varying topics, but I agree with The Shining being one of his weaker works. Kubrick simply took that which is good, distilled and amplified it to Nth degree.
I agree. I tried reading the book and I found it terribly trite and boring. I put it down after about 100 pages.
Stand by Me, IT, Shawshank Redemption are some of the best books and short-stories written by a popular author since Dickens. They will be talked about for decades and actually have. I agree that Kubrick's take on the Shining story is better however.
Magnificent video! Thanks for your hard work. Definitely following your future projects.
Thanks!
Another great video Tyler