Daenerys' Mother, Rhaella Targaryen (Game of Thrones)

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  • The lore behind Daenerys, Viserys, and Rhaegar's mother,
    Rhaella Targaryen from Game of Thrones / ASoIaF
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  • @sydnitheromantictaylor112
    @sydnitheromantictaylor112 4 роки тому +3582

    I've always wondered why she was never brought up on the show. Daenerys never asked about her either. I wonder if she'll be talked about more in the upcoming books.

    • @katiGiaNaExeis
      @katiGiaNaExeis 4 роки тому +536

      Uuuuh, Dany kinda, uuuh, forgot about it....

    • @kenn9689
      @kenn9689 4 роки тому +374

      Cause every time her mother was brought up it made her brother go Tywin on her. Saying she killed her ect.

    • @mallowmallow2070
      @mallowmallow2070 4 роки тому +336

      @@kenn9689 True but it's been YEARS since her brother died- I'm annoyed the shitty writers decided not to elaborate on that since they decided DNA is enough to turn someone into mecha-hitler. They talk about her father so much and nobody recognizes Rhaella for being a very kind, gentle, loving person trapped like a slave for all of her life.

    • @randybanks1504
      @randybanks1504 4 роки тому +23

      There’s a spin off about the Targaryans in the works (from the creator himself)

    • @Caraxes_RoguePrince
      @Caraxes_RoguePrince 4 роки тому

      mallow mallow what this got to do wit her going crazy tho??

  • @haydenrodriguez4670
    @haydenrodriguez4670 4 роки тому +3192

    Everyone always wants to talk about and compare Daenerys to her father (and after season 8, it's inevitable now), but I always wanted to compare Dany and Rhaella. What happened to Rhaella wasn't fair. She did her duty like she was supposed to, but I don't think she was ever happy in her life.

    • @kiritugeorge4684
      @kiritugeorge4684 4 роки тому +222

      Everybody compares Dany to her mad father Aerys but they all always forget that Jon (In the show) is a Targaryen too and Aerys' grandson.

    • @Caraxes_RoguePrince
      @Caraxes_RoguePrince 4 роки тому +11

      Kiritu George but he didn’t go mad lmao only dany did

    • @Caraxes_RoguePrince
      @Caraxes_RoguePrince 4 роки тому +17

      Rhaella didn’t go crazy tho

    • @haydenrodriguez4670
      @haydenrodriguez4670 4 роки тому +89

      @@Caraxes_RoguePrince not all Targaryens go mad. But madness and greatness are 2 sides of a coin. Like King Baelor was overly religious and pious, and in my opinion that's a form of madness. Speaking of Jon, he is Targaryen, and madness runs in the blood and being the Mad King's grandson, he runs an even greater risk. He could easily succumb to it if something pushed him to the edge. Imo, show wise, being isolated in the far north, does not sound good for Jon's mental health.

    • @haydenrodriguez4670
      @haydenrodriguez4670 4 роки тому +64

      And just because Jon also has Stark blood doesn't mean he can't go mad. Aegon V, Maester Aemon, and their brother, Aerion, all had a Dayne mother, and Aerion tormented little Aegon, and drank wildfire and died because he thought it would turn him into a dragon. So yeah my point is, Jon could also go mad too.

  • @yaboyed5779
    @yaboyed5779 4 роки тому +722

    Finally something about her, everyone forgets about her

  • @jaehaerysitargaryen7923
    @jaehaerysitargaryen7923 3 роки тому +816

    Rhaella would've been proud of what Daenerys has achieved in her life. She never would have thought that her daughter would bring dragons back to the world and free slaves.

    • @jenniferbrewer5370
      @jenniferbrewer5370 2 роки тому +1

      I doubt Rhaella would've approved of Daenerys burning a million innocent civilians to death. Daenerys is in fact a war criminal.

    • @notbill08
      @notbill08 Рік тому +10

      And than went mad just like her father?

    • @everythingdivine
      @everythingdivine Рік тому +75

      @@notbill08 only on the weird show. Not in literature

    • @notbill08
      @notbill08 Рік тому +12

      @@everythingdivine LOL! If GRRM ever finishes the books.....🤔

    • @everythingdivine
      @everythingdivine Рік тому +16

      @@notbill08 a wish I still hold onto lol

  • @cjpatz
    @cjpatz 4 роки тому +1910

    The lore is so rich and detailed, you would think they were a real family in the real world!

    • @pinianna
      @pinianna 4 роки тому +64

      @HappyFace Partly, sure. But I think it's more that he takes so much inspiration from history.
      Tolkien was great in many ways, but attention to details concerning female characters isn't really one of them

    • @s_shaddows.4939
      @s_shaddows.4939 4 роки тому +23

      Clint Patac George is on another level he puts so much love and time and details even to the smallest ones. They botched the show that’s why he wasn’t on season 8 D&D ruined it and rushed it for a prequel people don’t want it and people’s said they won’t watch anything they do ever again bc it and want the books bad they changed Cercis prophecy and everything it’s stupid and don’t it for a spin off people won’t watch it. It shows you when the fans hate it who put years into watching it and a lot of money and the actors hated it and laughed and THE CREATOR HATED IT AND LAUGHED!!!! Ugh

    • @SapphireSolstice67
      @SapphireSolstice67 4 роки тому

      Clint I hope not, this family would be terrible if they existed

    • @thalmoragent9344
      @thalmoragent9344 4 роки тому

      j00st00s
      True, with the exception of Rhaegar, and that’s it.

    • @Aivottaja
      @Aivottaja 2 роки тому +2

      @@thalmoragent9344 Rhaegar was selfish and he might have turned mad too in time.

  • @Spongebrain97
    @Spongebrain97 4 роки тому +1142

    One of the sadder I moments I remember reading from the books is when Jaime has like a flashback of his early days as a kingsguard and is standing outside the royal couple's bedroom with one of his sworn brothers. They both could hear Aerys raping his wife and Jaime, feeling disgusted, mentions that they're duty bound to protect to queen but gets told "yes but not from him".

    • @historiadelaciencia6860
      @historiadelaciencia6860 2 роки тому +1

      Where does that appear?

    • @Spongebrain97
      @Spongebrain97 Рік тому +44

      @@historiadelaciencia6860 Chapter 16 of A Feast for Crows

    • @historiadelaciencia6860
      @historiadelaciencia6860 Рік тому +2

      @@Spongebrain97 thaaanks!!

    • @cosmicriptid
      @cosmicriptid Рік тому +95

      I think they could hear her screaming "you're hurting me!" And when she left woth Viserys for Dragonstone you could see marks on her as though she has been mauled by a wild animal

    • @strawbawrri249
      @strawbawrri249 Рік тому +11

      He mentioned that in the video

  • @some_metalhead
    @some_metalhead 4 роки тому +690

    When Jaime was a Kingsgaurd to Aerys, he was guarding the Queen’s chambers when he overheard Aerys raping Rhaella. As he had to overhear her cries of pain, he told the other guard Ser Darry that they’re sworn to defend their Queen, too. Ser Darry just said, “We are, but not from him.” I have to wonder if this was just another reason among the rest that Jaime finally plunged his sword into the Mad King.

    • @historiadelaciencia6860
      @historiadelaciencia6860 2 роки тому +5

      In what chapter and book does that happen at?

    • @tarunsharma4915
      @tarunsharma4915 Рік тому +33

      @@historiadelaciencia6860 It is in the Feast for Crows, Chapter 16, if I remember right.

  • @damianallen8377
    @damianallen8377 4 роки тому +543

    She was a very very strong woman in my opinion to have put up with all she did.

    • @riripari2042
      @riripari2042 4 роки тому +57

      Yup. I would've tried running and starting a new life in some far off land because I couldn't stand a life as some broodmare shackled to my crazy brother.

  • @jessfawkes5727
    @jessfawkes5727 Рік тому +39

    It’s amazing how 1 man invented this whole world with all these characters with their back stories, family trees, country’s, languages, cuisines, their own histories etc it’s just amazing. Your a genius George!!

  • @teamblack204
    @teamblack204 2 роки тому +172

    I feel like if Rhaella survived the childbirth, things wouldn't be so different. She was not in a good mental state due to all the r@pes, abuses and isolation that she went through. It's hard to say what would happen if she stayed with Dany and Viserys during their time on Essos, but I clearly see her favoring Daenerys due to Viserys' narcissistic and paranoid behaviors. He would remind her of Aerys, I'm sure of it.

    • @epitaph3988
      @epitaph3988 Рік тому +9

      Viserys probably wouldn't have become so paranoid and neurotic if he'd still had at least one of his parents. Daenerys at least had him as a sort of surrogate parental figure, but Viserys had no one.

  • @sokokoko5512
    @sokokoko5512 4 роки тому +2906

    Rhaella had a very tragic life… she saw so many of her children die, and Aerys blamed her for that. She had to live in fear and abusement … She gave life to a gentle prince, a monster and a dragon. The prince died in the battle for his love, the moster was slain by the dragons wrath. The dragon was once hope for Westeros, but that hope became fear. While the dragon whispered her name in the East, the lion fought the wolf, and in doing so, the wheel spinned and crushed those on the ground. The dragon heard their voices and flew to the West, hoping she would claim what once was her mother's prison. Once a gentle heart turned into fire, and so the dragon was awakened… She burnt the lion's cage, and love she once wanted to share became hate. Their hope became fear. But the dragon had a weakness in her armor… love. Love for a gentle dragon raised by the wolves. And so the last of Rhaella's children died… If only she had a chance to meet her daughter and raise her with love...

    • @petew.7870
      @petew.7870 4 роки тому +43

      Sokokoko #BEAUTIFULLYEPIC.

    • @ati7794
      @ati7794 4 роки тому +173

      Sokokoko Damn this is one of the best comments I’ve ever seen in a comments section on a UA-cam video.. well done.

    • @Gigipretty64
      @Gigipretty64 4 роки тому +38

      Very well put. Excellent comment. Thank you.

    • @goliathtigerfishes
      @goliathtigerfishes 4 роки тому +97

      Write some stories dude. I’m crying, that was beautiful.

    • @teacoon6399
      @teacoon6399 4 роки тому +13

      Sokokoko Viserys wasn’t born a monster.

  • @Producerukoh
    @Producerukoh 4 роки тому +3062

    Sometimes I think that George RR Martin is peering into an alternate reality. These characters and backstories are too well thought out.

    • @user-ce5yh3zx4v
      @user-ce5yh3zx4v 4 роки тому +60

      Too well👀

    • @aengusog3415
      @aengusog3415 4 роки тому +14

      Moses Ukoh tooooo well

    • @karinalumen9722
      @karinalumen9722 4 роки тому +43

      People's lives aren't this interesting.

    • @mekasa6721
      @mekasa6721 4 роки тому +91

      But he wasn’t that smart to trust D&D for his life work

    • @abrarbw
      @abrarbw 4 роки тому +115

      @@mekasa6721 They actually did a really decent job while the source material lasted.

  • @MichaelJacksonFan001
    @MichaelJacksonFan001 4 роки тому +551

    Rhaella reminds me of Catherine of Aragon. King Henry's VIII's first wife. Catherine had many miscarriages and stillbirths.

    • @MaritheCreator2001
      @MaritheCreator2001 4 роки тому +31

      So would that make Dany similar to Mary Tudor?

    • @NefariousEvildoer
      @NefariousEvildoer 4 роки тому +69

      Would be ironic since Mary Tudor (Bloody Mary) liked to burn her enemies at the stake.

    • @KarenKSmith-tm2kp
      @KarenKSmith-tm2kp 4 роки тому +14

      @@NefariousEvildoer Good point..I guess it would make her similar.

    • @jamiemohan2049
      @jamiemohan2049 4 роки тому +28

      Except Rhaella and Katherine of Aragon had completely different personalities. Lots of Queens had many miscarriages throughout history. I do not think Rhaella is based on Katherine.

    • @Freya__
      @Freya__ 2 роки тому +11

      Ceryse Hightower is based on Catherine of Aragon. She was one of the wives of Maegor the Cruel.

  • @zahryiapaul1188
    @zahryiapaul1188 4 роки тому +482

    The mothers
    Rhaella Targaryan
    Elia Martell
    Joanna Lannister

  • @meloniejen8400
    @meloniejen8400 4 роки тому +783

    I can't imagine how taxing it is for Rhaella's body to be getting pregnant THAT many times god damn

    • @alexiswaller3065
      @alexiswaller3065 4 роки тому +38

      It was common thing among royal familys and heir and spare this is why henery viiii married so many times was to have male children because women were not supposed to rule

    • @meloniejen8400
      @meloniejen8400 4 роки тому +133

      @@alexiswaller3065 yes many real historical women had to go throught this which makes it all the more GOD DAMN

    • @codename495
      @codename495 4 роки тому +59

      Even in real history the duty of royal women was to bear as many sons as possible, daughters to be bartered and married for alliances and sons to carry on the succession.

    • @angiemitic4520
      @angiemitic4520 4 роки тому +135

      Not only that, but if the timeline is correct she was married at 13 and gave birth to her first child at 14. That and incest were never going to be healthy for her and her children. Poor thing really, she deserved better.

    • @jamiemohan2049
      @jamiemohan2049 4 роки тому +40

      9 seems normal for back then. Back then it was not uncommon for women to have 15 or 16 pregnancies. Even more, as many pregnancies ended in miscarriages they would get pregnant straight away. It's possible to be pregnant about 3 times a year in a continuous miscarriage, new pregnancy, miscarriage.

  • @kierademian4855
    @kierademian4855 4 роки тому +1581

    In the show Dany is seen to be wearing a ring in every single scene of the show and according to Emilia it is her mother Rhaella’s.
    Not totally canon, but I thought it was a very sweet and sad thing from the show

    • @dylanmccool22
      @dylanmccool22 4 роки тому +114

      Kiera Demian I actually think that is canon because in book 1 GRRM states that Daenerys and Viserys had only a sword a ring from their mother and their mother’s crown. Viserys sold the ring and crown which upset Daenerys which they didn’t include in the show

    • @heirokaisseralcazar1573
      @heirokaisseralcazar1573 4 роки тому +35

      As far as i know, they sell all they're mother's jewelry

    • @cjpatz
      @cjpatz 4 роки тому +66

      Kiera Demian it’s kinda like how Queen Elizabeth I remembered her mother Anne Boleyn.

    • @aengusog3415
      @aengusog3415 4 роки тому +22

      Heiro Kaisser Alcazar they sold their mothers crown

    • @xo_kylem6735
      @xo_kylem6735 4 роки тому +4

      She wore different rings throughout the show I think. 2 that I can remember are the one she dropped on the field while being surrounded by the Dothrakis when Drogon flew her to nowhere after the ambush in Mereen. The other ring was shown during the boat scene with her and the injured Jon Snow. It was when Jon pledged his allegiance to her and she grabbed his hand and it showed a ring different from the one I mentioned before. I don't know where she gets her jewelries from in the show.

  • @TheTam0613
    @TheTam0613 4 роки тому +351

    I've always wanted more info about Rhaella. I wish we had a point of view from her, even though it would most likely be extremely tragic...

  • @theautomator8372
    @theautomator8372 4 роки тому +127

    Bought damn time someone talked about her. People are always so focused on Aerys they forget about Rhaella.

  • @chaimae3652
    @chaimae3652 4 роки тому +537

    We want Elia Martell plz

    • @whycreate
      @whycreate  4 роки тому +36

      :o

    • @TheTam0613
      @TheTam0613 4 роки тому +7

      Absolutely!

    • @Brandonhayhew
      @Brandonhayhew 4 роки тому +50

      We also need is Joanna Lannister and other minor characters like Barbary Dustin and Jon Arryn and his cousin.

    • @covenwitch399
      @covenwitch399 4 роки тому

      @@whycreate Aww, I didn't expect you to do that lmao

    • @jenniferbrewer5370
      @jenniferbrewer5370 4 роки тому +36

      Could there BE any more tragic figures in all of ASOIAF than Elia and her mother-in-law? Two very decent ladies who did not deserve their fate.

  • @lmSheep
    @lmSheep Рік тому +167

    Can we appreciate how in reality the Targaryens would look monstrous and hideous due to generations of in-breeding, and not beautiful as they are described in the books

    • @Boudica1313
      @Boudica1313 Рік тому +23

      I thought about genetics when the new show came out and there are non-albino black people with white hair. I think that might be genetically impossible, but we ARE talking about a place rife with dragons, magic and otherkin, so I just kind of look at it like anything is possible in that world and we probably shouldn't compare it to this one. But you are so right. They would all look like King Charles II of Spain or that rendition of King Tut in our reality!

    • @Breadfish290
      @Breadfish290 Рік тому +10

      THANK YOU! I believe, if memory serves me correctly, that Mat Pat from Game Theory/Film Theory/Food Theory calculated her baseline inbreeding coefficient (a percentage of the appearance of recessive genes) to be at least 75%, which basically means that within thousands of recessive genes, she would have a 3 out of 4 chance for each. I suspect that the number is higher (more like 80% if I’m kind and 90% on the high end) because of all the noble house relationships. These people shouldn’t exist.
      Yes, some are negligible like eye colour and skin tone, but far too many are dangerous like club feet and sickle cell anemia.
      Inbreeding sucks

    • @peytonteague5965
      @peytonteague5965 Рік тому

      Basically they blamed the madness they sometimes inherited (“when a Targaryen is born the gods flip a coin”) on the inbreeding and that was about it

    • @fabiannedeaconti
      @fabiannedeaconti Рік тому +27

      We have to remember that in the Fire & Ice Universe, whenever dragons were near, magic became stronger. Maybe it was magic that prevented the Targs from being as deformed as they could have been, or should have been. They WERE around dragons a lot.

    • @DarkSHadowI8
      @DarkSHadowI8 Рік тому +10

      Well Aerys didn't do anything to keep himself presentable. The Targaryens are very beautiful but even the most beautiful person would look like shit if they didn't wash for years

  • @damianallen8377
    @damianallen8377 4 роки тому +435

    It's a wonder that Aerys never suspected the most likely culprit for the death of their children, their Grand Measter.

    • @malma2199
      @malma2199 4 роки тому +33

      Damian Allen not to mention Pycelle was Tywin’s dog at the time too.

    • @nidohime6233
      @nidohime6233 4 роки тому +74

      Or maybe it has to do with so much endogamy, contast incest reduces fertility.

    • @damianallen8377
      @damianallen8377 4 роки тому +83

      @@nidohime6233 I doubt that, the Targaryens have been practicing incest for over five thousand years so if that's the case the Targaryens and all of the other 40 Dragonlord families should have long since gone extinct before the Doom. And I suppose in general that could apply to all of humanity we are after all a purebred species technically speaking we're all related to one degree or another.

    • @nidohime6233
      @nidohime6233 4 роки тому +26

      @@damianallen8377 They might sometimes wed with other families time from time so they still have healthy offspring and create alliances. The main reason they predilect their own relatives is to keep power but most of the time they do with cousins and half siblings rather than full siblings or parents with children, and who said they never had mistress or bastards in those families?
      And yes, all the members of a species are somewhat related one to another, if it wasn´t they would be different species and does cannot breed together. Is more a degree thing than anything. You might fall in love with someone that haves the same great great grandmother as you but since there are so many generations apart it doesn´t count as such, specially if said cousin´s ancestors have being having kids with non related people.
      Meanwhile the Targaryens had a long history of contast endogamy to the point they developed genetic deformities and a high rate of miscarriage and stillborns. And the closer the consaguinity the worse they get. That is why Raella have lost so many children because now most of her children are inviable cause both her and Aenys II had a consaguinity coefficient much bigger than the rest of Westeros.

    • @damianallen8377
      @damianallen8377 4 роки тому +36

      @@nidohime6233 Yes all of the 40 original dragonlord families regularly intermarried with each other and after over 5,000 years of constantly doing that they're all as heavily related as possible.
      As for the deformities that the Targaryens develop the only deformities I remember them having is the Dragonic features that some of her stillbirth children were born with coincidentally the same draconic features that some of Maegor the cruels children were born with and it was found out that his first wife was poisoning all his other wives.
      Daenerys first child was also born with these Dragon deformities and that's because of What Mirri did. Never mind the fact that we don't really know how the rules of genetics would even applied to Valerian dragonlords such as the targaryens because they're not entirely human it seems that when they say they have the blood of the Dragon they mean it quite literally. And who knows how quickly random mutations would appear in the Targaryens since they have dragon's blood flowing through their veins. And if you were referring to this regular congenital disorders there's only what about what? a 4.4% the normal probability chance of it happening with close blood relatives if I remember correctly.
      As we have seen Rhaella had absolutely no problem getting pregnant her children just kept dying from either stillbirth or shortly after dying. Anyway while you do indeed make some good points. We know that the Valyrian dragonlords and other Valyrian Nobles had Mistresses and all that I mean Lys was pretty much created as a pleasure Retreat for them I'm pretty sure most of their bastards so to speak (since I doubt Valyrians adhere to the same belief of bastardry that Westeros does) they no doubt still intermarried with each other after all their dragon's blood was the key to them being able to bond with their dragons and probably cuz I'm being able to perform powerful magic there are clearly very protective of their blood so that still over five thousand years of inbreeding.
      The Valyrian Dragonlords like the Targaryens are similar to an isolated species that have continued to exist through breeding amongst themselves.
      Anyway I still say Pycelle waa the one murdering her children either on orders from Tywin or the Citadel or both.

  • @rwg1
    @rwg1 4 роки тому +509

    If you read between the lines in "A World of Ice & Fire", Tywin was poisoning Rhaella so she would have miscarriages. When ALL of his access to her stopped, she gave birth to a son. Viserys, the son, survived because Aerys had the wetnurses supervised so their breasts could not be smeared with poison prior to feeding the baby. Tywin already ran the country as Hand of the King, but wanted his daughter to marry Rhaegar so that Tywin could gain all the power & consolidate it in himself & the Lannisters.

    • @seedless1927
      @seedless1927 Рік тому +135

      Damn.... Backed up by the fact that he had rhaegars children publicly killed during the war

    • @danielmino1690
      @danielmino1690 Рік тому +121

      tywin always was a monster

    • @rockyraaacoon
      @rockyraaacoon Рік тому +52

      So i guess Aerys wasn’t exactly fully paranoid 😮

    • @AshePBlack
      @AshePBlack Рік тому +3

      So we know about the mad king and Joana so was tywin poisoning her as revenge for his wife, or was it the other way around?

    • @rwg1
      @rwg1 Рік тому +8

      @@AshePBlack I'm not sure. Tywin might have been taking revenge for the relationship between Aerys & Joanna, but I think Tywin was greedy enough for power to not need revenge as a motivation. The revenge aspect just made everything more appealing to Tywin, but power was the primary motivation.

  • @serjaimelannister5152
    @serjaimelannister5152 2 роки тому +396

    She was a dutiful woman, didn't cause any problems, and tried to be the best mother as possible for her children.

    • @cristinademartini1284
      @cristinademartini1284 Рік тому +45

      Rhaella Targaryen and Elia Martell>>>>>Lyanna Stark. I said what i said.

    • @dolphineachonga555
      @dolphineachonga555 Рік тому +23

      Had she been more like Olena,she would have got rid of him and saved a lot of people from the bloodshed that came after. She was too good, too submissive for her own good.

    • @cristinademartini1284
      @cristinademartini1284 Рік тому +22

      @@dolphineachonga555 i agree with all that you said, but unfortunately not all women were like Olenna. Still, she didn't run with some crown prince already married, unlike someone else did (in the series)

    • @LifeInPink999
      @LifeInPink999 Рік тому +4

      @@cristinademartini1284 not sure what you said, but all I have to say about Lyana is that she was reckless and selfish. A raven from her telling that she was with the Prince out of her own will could have saved so many lives including the royal family. Elia had a horrible end because of her stupid husband and her lover deciding not tell a thing when they absolutely had to because it reached war. I guess my dislike for John kinda doubles knowing who was his mother, all that mess for such a insignificant kid and more insignificant man. The most boring part of the show and the book so far.

    • @cristinademartini1284
      @cristinademartini1284 Рік тому +4

      @@LifeInPink999 That was exactly what i meant. I prefer Elia Martel (and Rhaella Targaryen) to that egoist s*** of Lyanna (who she so lamented Robert's unfaithfulness, but she didn't mind Rhaegar's one to Elia with her, did she?) a hundred fold.

  • @v-iii-b-59suyashkohachade87
    @v-iii-b-59suyashkohachade87 2 роки тому +189

    Everyone talks about brienne,arya the women on the battlefield, but I feel ladies like Rhaella and Elia Martel, Catelyn Stark deserves to be talked about more. These women are brave in their own way, full of integrity, loyalty to their husbands and Kings, love for their own children and empathy for other people. Ladies like this deserved more good it's devastating to me that these ladies have to go through such horrible lives 😢

    • @kryztyn127
      @kryztyn127 Рік тому +4

      I beg to differ on Catelyn Stark. On the duration that she was alive on the books, all she did was to make bad decisions.
      1. Trusted Petyr and arrested Tyrion causing the sourness between Lannister and Stark. Granted, she trusts her childhood friend and sister but is that even a good reason to kidnap Tyrion? Yes she did not know Lysa was delusional at that time. But seriously, kidnapping the son of Tywin Lannister is basically asking for your house to get exterminated.
      2. Freeing Jaime. Sure, Robb pretty much doomed his allies when he married Jeyne Westerling. But hey, let me just free the most valuable prisoner. Nothing could go wrong. Pretty sure the only reason Walter agreed to the betrayal is because they dont have a foothold anymore. This also lead to Karstark retreating. She was grief stricken with the alleged death of Bran and Rickon. But why free Jaime? They dont even know if Sansa or Arya is still alive.

  • @schnarre0
    @schnarre0 4 роки тому +78

    ....I'm glad to see Daenerys' mother finally given some addressing!

    • @rhiiyaevans4060
      @rhiiyaevans4060 3 роки тому

      Same here. My queen deserved and still deserves so much better! ❤️❤️❤️

  • @orleans-bourbon4500
    @orleans-bourbon4500 Рік тому +29

    I remember read the book, when Jaime was guarding Rhaella's chamber, and he heard Rhaella was raped by Aerys, and he said that shouldn't they save the Queen? But then his sworn brother said that "they must save the Queen, but nit from the King."
    I cried :(

  • @saldanamoreno
    @saldanamoreno 4 роки тому +191

    I'm re-reading the series and just got "A world of Ice and Fire" That book reads like a real history book. For a History buff and fantasy geek its the equivalent of pure comfort food! I cannot wait for the next book!

    • @TheTam0613
      @TheTam0613 4 роки тому +2

      It's such a fantastic book!

    • @DavidGarcia-oi5nt
      @DavidGarcia-oi5nt 4 роки тому +6

      Fire and Blood is out now too.

    • @Brandonhayhew
      @Brandonhayhew 4 роки тому +7

      Fire and Blood written by a maester whosr character is similar to that of GRRM.

    • @ACinemafanatic
      @ACinemafanatic 4 роки тому +8

      I read it and it’s amazing they’re gonna make a prequel based off the targeryns but they should make one of the destruction of old valyria which leads to Aegons conquest

    • @astoldbymuriel103
      @astoldbymuriel103 4 роки тому

      Have to pull out pen and paper and take notes when reading that one

  • @HebrewsElevenTwentyFive
    @HebrewsElevenTwentyFive 4 роки тому +141

    I love ASOIAF lore so much 🤙🏾

  • @donalddeluxe6407
    @donalddeluxe6407 3 роки тому +91

    I REALLY want to know more about rhaella, rhaegar, and elia. These three characters may have been the most interesting before their deaths and what their last thoughts on what rhaegar did when he took lyanna.

  • @julieheckman1886
    @julieheckman1886 4 роки тому +43

    Grandmother of Dragons

    • @codename495
      @codename495 4 роки тому

      Julie Heckman I am my own grandmother of dragons.

  • @justinkruse7350
    @justinkruse7350 4 роки тому +79

    I’m so appreciative of you continuing to do videos about the world of game of thrones after the show is over.

  • @deepthinker8063
    @deepthinker8063 4 роки тому +65

    People that claim that jamie had no empathy from the beginning:
    -ugh can he die already?!?! .
    realizing that he wanted to help dany's mom from the mad king:
    -Oh, really? Wow, I didnt see that coming..

  • @ssjdeadpool
    @ssjdeadpool 4 роки тому +58

    You see, this is why I love this channel. most other Game of Thrones channels do biopsies and stuff about like the main characters and then some will do theories but this Guy would think of literally anything in Game of Thrones and then make a video about it, and that's awesome

  • @charlesmorris8412
    @charlesmorris8412 4 роки тому +113

    One of the best channels on youtube

    • @ssjdeadpool
      @ssjdeadpool 4 роки тому +4

      Unquestionably

    • @mattyarbrough1101
      @mattyarbrough1101 4 роки тому +5

      I knew there were other ppl out there who felt this way too. Love the lore vids.

  • @astoldbymuriel103
    @astoldbymuriel103 4 роки тому +109

    From my recollection no Targaryen female ever went "MAD". According to the show and apparently GRRM is ok with Dany will be the first. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

    • @ecthox-1mork909
      @ecthox-1mork909 4 роки тому +32

      She didn't exactly torture animals for kicks as a child or enjoy watching people slaughter each-other, but Saera Targaryen was a bit nuts and what one could call a wrong-un.

    • @astoldbymuriel103
      @astoldbymuriel103 4 роки тому +32

      @@ecthox-1mork909 I would say she was spoiled and permiscuous but not a bit nuts neither close to MADNESS

    • @ecthox-1mork909
      @ecthox-1mork909 4 роки тому +15

      @@astoldbymuriel103 She was nowhere near as bad as Maegor or Joffrey or Aerion, but the Targaryen madness is believed to manifest in different ways at times, like with Baelor the Blessed or that other Targaryen who liked to run round naked. I just think it could've influenced Saera's behaviour in that same way without her being totally violent. One of my relatives has a brother who turned out like Saera and she couldn't work out how or why he turned out that way.

    • @qqq386
      @qqq386 4 роки тому

      Rhaenyra was kind of a cunt

    • @zuzka9045
      @zuzka9045 4 роки тому +8

      I think that Saera wasn't mad, she was just ambitious and spoiled girl, who wanted atencion.

  • @bartsullivan4866
    @bartsullivan4866 2 роки тому +37

    This was a great video and fills in a lot of holes. So many videos were made on Rhaegar's wife and children but not on Rhaella. She has one of the most tragic stories in the entire saga. Poor girl never even had a chance. I am hoping Fire and Blood 2 will shed some light on more of her story.

  • @nellieken
    @nellieken Рік тому +15

    What always shocked me was that Aerys got so mad and horrible as a king and somehow they didn't have him removed and install Rhaegar as regent until he died.

  • @highlyopinionated5611
    @highlyopinionated5611 Рік тому +6

    Rhaegar practically isolating himself from early on, spending his childhood with his nose permanently stuck in books and scrolls instead of socializing and playing, might very well be a sign of his parents toxic relationship and his fathers madness affecting him a lot, actually. Very young children can get easily traumatized by a toxic environment and show it through odd behavior.

  • @lesliesauceman8093
    @lesliesauceman8093 4 роки тому +88

    It just makes Daenerys' turn in the show and likely Martin's books all the more sad.

    • @Lord_Of_Night
      @Lord_Of_Night 4 роки тому +2

      @RunningErins There are entire forums and leagues of video essays explaining all the bad writing of Season 8. D&D messed up.

    • @RoseofSeattle
      @RoseofSeattle 4 роки тому

      @RunningErins you're more a sheep for liking bad writing 🤷‍♀️

    • @RoseofSeattle
      @RoseofSeattle 4 роки тому +13

      @RunningErins D&D season 7: Dany is not crazy and not her father
      Season 8: just kidding. She nuts
      Dumb fans: that makes sense even though there was no previous build up, years of positive character development and you literally said she wasn't crazy....

    • @epitaph3988
      @epitaph3988 Рік тому +1

      Daenerys isn't gonna go mad in the books and anyone who thinks otherwise fundamentally doesn't understand her as a character.

  • @alfredborden5675
    @alfredborden5675 4 роки тому +20

    Literally one of my favorite channels on UA-cam. Your hard work is appreciated.

  • @viennperidot1119
    @viennperidot1119 3 роки тому +17

    "The Gods would not allow a Bastard to sit on the Iron Throne" no wonder Cersei's kids have golden hair with matching shrouds..

  • @SelphieTheNutter
    @SelphieTheNutter Рік тому +8

    All those still borns and miscarriages coupled with all the plotting and betrayals that happened daily in kings landing, its no wonder Aries lost his mind. It doesn't condone his actions but it does explain why he lost the plot.
    It also makes Raella very brave to be able to hold Rhaegar children without fearing Aries. Or dismissing Joanna without any fear. That says a lot about her character. Its a shame there isnt much lore surrounding her.

  • @whycreate
    @whycreate  4 роки тому +115

    The "GoT" on the timeline just stands for when the series begins!

    • @abdullahalazzawi5077
      @abdullahalazzawi5077 4 роки тому +1

      whycreate where would you rank Daenaerys’ greatness amongst other Targaryens? Is she up there with Aegon I or not there yet?

  • @watcherolic9930
    @watcherolic9930 3 роки тому +35

    Woah a whole new season can be made with this past story... When young Jamie lanister wanted to guard queen rhaella.
    She suffered a lot.... She couldn't marry who she wanted.

    • @rhiiyaevans4060
      @rhiiyaevans4060 3 роки тому +4

      I have been having this plan to stay writing a story since I've gotten obsessed with Rhaella. She deserved much better,my beautiful queen!!!❤️❤️❤️

    • @dreademperor2094
      @dreademperor2094 3 роки тому +3

      @@rhiiyaevans4060 like a what if story?

  • @gayvinmcginnes2508
    @gayvinmcginnes2508 4 роки тому +36

    HOLY SHIT! How did I miss that Ser Bonnifer was Rhaella's landed knight?! That gave me chills. I really enjoyed his character in AFFC. Can't freaking wait for Winds... even if the curse of Harrenhall is going to strike him down. 😫

  • @PistachioDean
    @PistachioDean 4 роки тому +29

    I never thought about the parallels between Rhaella and Johanna Lannister, or Viserys and Cersei. Maybe Cersei's downfall will parallel Viserys in some way.

  • @joe9739
    @joe9739 Рік тому +9

    Imagine how mad Rhaegar must have been, going to show your psycho dad your first born, and he makes a sick race joke..

  • @sophiawilson8696
    @sophiawilson8696 4 роки тому +212

    The show is D+D fanfiction, the books is true source.

  • @liver8547
    @liver8547 4 роки тому +7

    the only good ASOIAF channel left. never stop uploading please i beg

  • @TheTam0613
    @TheTam0613 4 роки тому +4

    Thank you for such a great video! I really enjoy hearing about the characters who don't get much attention. This channel is really great!

  • @housestark613
    @housestark613 4 роки тому +1

    I have been looking for and asking other you tube channels about Danny’s mom forever now!!! THANK YOU!!!
    No one ever does videos in her mom. Always just about her father!!!

  • @XoAngelFanyXo
    @XoAngelFanyXo 4 роки тому +25

    Rhaella had such a hard life

  • @kylaperia5665
    @kylaperia5665 4 роки тому +4

    Your voice was so calming for me, thank you

  • @desentrioecsequece9888
    @desentrioecsequece9888 4 роки тому +21

    Waiting for this for ages

  • @Tuffaluffakiss
    @Tuffaluffakiss 4 роки тому +4

    THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS! 💯

  • @KaiPhD
    @KaiPhD 4 роки тому +3

    Wow! That was great! Thank you! 💕💕💕

  • @cernunnos_lives
    @cernunnos_lives 4 роки тому +8

    Your videos are well done with your own style. Very watchable. The hard work is a worthwhile effort and it shows.

  • @YvetteArby
    @YvetteArby 4 роки тому +6

    Thank you for this video! I love your thoughtful insight into less known characters.

  • @lotus___freedom
    @lotus___freedom Рік тому +7

    House of Dragons made me revisit the history of GOT. Thanks for this video 💜

  • @tatianatrivino5851
    @tatianatrivino5851 4 роки тому +11

    So fascinating. Poor Rhaella.

  • @gslmakeup8040
    @gslmakeup8040 4 роки тому +5

    This was really interesting, thank you

  • @KOUdance
    @KOUdance Рік тому

    Very interesting stuff. Thank you for putting this video together

  • @tl-fn7du
    @tl-fn7du 4 роки тому +299

    Thinking of Rhaella makes me cry, every time. Same for Daenerys when you go by the show or books. Honestly I am rather disappointed in them still; horrible write off. Though looking at both of their lives; Daenerys *is* Rhaella. It’s almost ironic; just how closely everything aligned. Forced marriage, but Dany finds love. Viserys and Aerys... Yeah maybe different exposure and circumstances; but they were both abused by their brothers - and hello WHO IS THE WOULD BE TRADITIONAL BETROTHED TO VISERYS? D A E N E R Y S. Oh, look, piece of candy-! Like, enough of the Mad King is now Mad Queen bs. Use your brains, look at clues, read between the lines guys - actually pick up a damn book; it actually explains more and is 100 times better than the show will ever be. And yes the show was amazing. Books still make the show look like trash - from season 3 on, they did good keeping it close in 1 & 2.

    • @emmaball6437
      @emmaball6437 4 роки тому

      ε૮αȶε૨เɳα ɖεѵเlყɳ ૨σωε ღinFAMOUS - Legaciesღ this is so true love this thanks for posting

    • @AshePBlack
      @AshePBlack Рік тому +2

      I think what it is is their dragon blood, targaryens arnt most stable people and most of them don't start mad, they snap. And books explain what happened to dany. Plus dany didn't go mad because her father did. It's in house Targaryen they over hype the dragon thing so there's pride, lack of restraint etc but it doesn't have to end how it did for Danny, or even her dad for that matter. If the phrase burn them all contributed to his madness, why would you ever tell a Targaryen to burn anything

  • @ichibanhero500
    @ichibanhero500 4 роки тому

    Very nice! Keep them coming my friend

  • @bobthedopeman7327
    @bobthedopeman7327 Рік тому +12

    I'm surprised you didn't mention how the mad king didn't wed Rhaegar to Cersei Lannaster and made Jamie Lannaster a kingsguard just to spite Tywin.

  • @Bellz89
    @Bellz89 Рік тому +1

    This was so insightful!

  • @deannas2778
    @deannas2778 Рік тому +5

    That kind of explains why Viserys was so messed up in the head.

  • @jillargos7729
    @jillargos7729 4 роки тому +3

    That was excellent.....more!!

  • @blackandredbrian3515
    @blackandredbrian3515 4 роки тому +74

    As you said Rhaella was named the Queen of love and beauty by Sir Bonifer who was only a landed knight. Isn’t it possible that these two had a love affair just before Rhaella married the mad king and Bonifer is really Rhaegar’s true father! Evidence of this is 1. Rhaegar was born “soon after” they were married. 2. Mad king has difficulty having healthy children with Rhaella but Rhaegar was easy and healthy because he had a different father. 3. After the marriage Sir Bonifer became super pious, very similar to what happened with Lancel after what he did with Cersei. 4. Ironically Rhaegar names Lyanna his Queen of Love and Beauty because tragically his real father did the same thing for a love that he could never have.

  • @lydiaquinn2892
    @lydiaquinn2892 4 роки тому

    I definitely enjoyed this. Thanks!

  • @louellabelle868
    @louellabelle868 4 роки тому +5

    I agree. Barristan Selmy's voice was gold.

  • @adrianjohansson8937
    @adrianjohansson8937 4 роки тому +5

    Can you make a Video on the Brave Companians?
    Also, great video. I love when you make videos on the smaller characters in the ASoIaF univers.

  • @melissas7980
    @melissas7980 Рік тому

    so happy the YT algorithm recommended you to me. I really enjoyed this video and have always wanted to know more about Dany's mother. You have a new subscriber. ;-) Thank you!

  • @Salamon2
    @Salamon2 4 роки тому +40

    It's my head canon that in a different world, Rhaella would've run away and married Bonifer Hasty in secret... and then cause a rebellion, inevitably.

    • @SaiyanSweetheart45
      @SaiyanSweetheart45 Рік тому +3

      That would have been an interesting story to see. Especially as Aerys's popularity only decreased more and more and if he doesn't have Rhaella, he has no children. No children, no heirs, no line of succession to continue the Targaryen dynasty. And even if Rhaella's husband is a Bonifer, her child (in this case Rhaegar) would be:
      1. A Targaryen by blood
      2. A true born if his parents married before his birth
      3. A son

  • @renatacantore3684
    @renatacantore3684 Рік тому +4

    You are an Awesome storyteller. Your voice is perfect. The images were great. I only wish that the story wasn’t so horrific. This was a truly excellent video 🏆🏆🌹

  • @wandilethenjwayo1162
    @wandilethenjwayo1162 4 роки тому +3

    Your voice is so soothing

  • @miranda13c
    @miranda13c Рік тому +6

    Oh how different things would’ve turned out had Rhaegar survived and Robert was stopped. I’m so curious about how different Jon Snow would’ve been had he been raised by his true parents and Lyanna hadn’t died in labor.

  • @liliman-moli615
    @liliman-moli615 Рік тому +8

    what a horrible man was the mad King 🥺
    Rhaella suffered a lot 😭😭😭

  • @KindredSpiritJosh
    @KindredSpiritJosh 4 роки тому +5

    This was very good! I wondered about who Rhaella was.

  • @SarSantiago
    @SarSantiago 4 роки тому +6

    I really need to finish the book series, I got so wrapped up in the show that I stopped after the second book, but I think it’s time to dive back in!!

  • @dunkelcarriere3225
    @dunkelcarriere3225 4 роки тому

    Yeah, that was a good video to wake and bake to. Thanks man.

  • @RikJSmith
    @RikJSmith 3 роки тому

    I just saw your Back Story about Oberyn Martell. Amazing job , dude. After watching it a couple of times I immediately had to Subscribe to your channel. And now I'm going to watch all of your other Posts. Stay safe. 🎸

  • @ginao6810
    @ginao6810 Рік тому +12

    Lol the terrible irony is that if Rhaella had cheated on her brother-husband, she probably would have had a surviving child because it wouldn’t be so inbred.
    That’s what duty gets you

  • @greatminds1017
    @greatminds1017 Рік тому +5

    I'm sure Aerys had schizophrenia, and his delusions about his wife's unfaithfulness is actually a telling sign.

  • @erhardokleinheisterkamp9795
    @erhardokleinheisterkamp9795 4 роки тому

    Thanks heaps for this. :D

  • @skylarfortune3043
    @skylarfortune3043 Рік тому +10

    the insane trait thing is kind of logical. incestuous marriages make recessive traits more likely to be expressed. if a man carries a recessive trait for this tendecy to grow crazy, it might not manifest but if he has a child with a sister who also carries the same recessive trait, one of their kids will get BOTH recessive traits and eventually, do become insane.

  • @brfam1977
    @brfam1977 Рік тому

    These stories are amazing!

  • @judeau9151
    @judeau9151 4 роки тому +2

    a video about what you think will happen in the next book would be amazing! Or how you would’ve continued the HBO show. Predictions or hypothesis maybe?

  • @Amagem81
    @Amagem81 4 роки тому +6

    I'm definitely going to have to get into the books.

  • @rhondabrown8707
    @rhondabrown8707 4 роки тому +4

    This was an interesting back story to watch.

  • @tracyleesmith781
    @tracyleesmith781 4 роки тому +3

    Damn that was a really sad story! Thx for doing this tho!

  • @rachaelm7084
    @rachaelm7084 Рік тому

    Great video!

  • @dorylaions
    @dorylaions 4 роки тому +6

    this is by far the best asoiaf channel. keep it up mate

    • @whycreate
      @whycreate  4 роки тому +3

      Thanks Cyka

    • @skizzik121
      @skizzik121 4 роки тому

      Which other channels do you watch? I'm just wondering if its any I don't already watch.

    • @dorylaions
      @dorylaions 4 роки тому

      Lore wise, CivilizationEx is also a fine channel. Not as high production value as this one tho.

  • @cpegg5840
    @cpegg5840 3 роки тому +5

    Bonifer Hasty was her knight in shining armour, though he wasn’t allowed to be...

  • @mf12060825
    @mf12060825 4 роки тому +14

    What an awesome video! I just finished the show ..I want to read the books after this guy manages to finish. What are your thoughts about Daenery's death in the show. I thought the last two episodes were ridiculous. I wanted her to stay alive and rule or even alongside Jon..pr at least not die. It was sad to see the last dragon carry her off. I hope Martin does not end his series this way..

  • @amosiren
    @amosiren Рік тому +12

    If Rhaegar was such a great man- why didn't he protect his mother?

  • @OntarioAtOrion
    @OntarioAtOrion Рік тому +14

    Rhaella never died. She was in love with Arthur Dayne. Dany is his daughter. The name daenerys is "Ser Dayne" mixed up. Same letters.
    In A Clash Of Kings Shireen mentions seeing Dalla at the WELL in Dragonstone. Dalla is Rhaella. Mance Rayder is Arthur Dayne and he married Rhaella hence calling himself "king beyond the wall"... marrying the Queen of Westeros, Rhaella/Dalla, makes him a King. The baby Jon Snow saves in the North is Dany's brother!!!!

    • @KnowledgeBorn120
      @KnowledgeBorn120 Рік тому +2

      That’s deep

    • @OntarioAtOrion
      @OntarioAtOrion Рік тому

      @@KnowledgeBorn120 👍

    • @GosieKin
      @GosieKin Рік тому

      I like it! But would Rhaella abandon Viserys and the new born baby Dany?

    • @aya-_-3045
      @aya-_-3045 Рік тому

      id not think she would abandon her children tho

    • @OntarioAtOrion
      @OntarioAtOrion Рік тому

      @@aya-_-3045 there has to be a reason why and it's it's matter of survival. I have a triplet theory because of Val in the north and the green braided girl at White Harbor in Davos' chapter. She's called Wylla and there's a green braided tyrosh girl mentioned by Arianne Martell to her father in Dorne, she talks about a little girl with a green braid playing at the water gardens in Dorne when they were children. There is something there I can't quite place almost like there were 3 little girls with white hair.
      Quaithe is most likely Rhaella watching over her. Plus she survived all those years on the run so someone's really protecting her and I think it's intertwined into Rhaella and Arthur Dayne being Mance Rayder and Dalla.

  • @billionaire30xyz36
    @billionaire30xyz36 4 роки тому

    It's about time!!

  • @DarkSHadowI8
    @DarkSHadowI8 Рік тому +6

    I haven't gotten far in the books yet but it seems that the only time Targaryen women miscarry this often it is always due to poison (Aemma was poisoned by the Maesters following the order of the high septon or the Hightowers and Rhaella was poisoned by Tywin)

  • @redadmiralofvalyria867
    @redadmiralofvalyria867 2 роки тому +6

    She should have been known as the "Gentle Dragon"