The Graphical Issues of Halo ODST (MCC)
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- Опубліковано 5 лип 2024
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The graphical issues of Halo ODST in The Master Chief Collection.
0:00:00 Intro
0:01:23 Recoil
0:02:06 Gamma
0:02:40 Colors
0:03:20 Letterbox
0:03:35 Bloom
0:04:14 VISR Mode
0:04:28 Shadow Movement
0:05:05 Auto Exposure
0:06:34 Warthog Brake Lights on PC
0:06:49 Oni Smoke
0:07:05 Lower Quality Details
0:07:38 Glass Shader
0:09:03 HUD
0:12:29 End Game
0:12:37 Spartan Laser Light
0:12:46 Water
0:13:08 Slipspace FX
0:13:22 Glowing Hunters
0:13:42 Flood Dispersal Pod
0:14:02 Theatre Camera
0:14:28 Skin Tone
0:14:43 Clamber Animation
0:14:56 Flood Ranged Form
0:14:02 Health Pack FOV Distortion
0:14:02 VISR FOV
0:16:05 Outro - Ігри
I don’t mind not getting any new content but god I wish they’d go back and fix these issues across the various titles.
Amen. I don't hate anything new they've added but jeez is it too much to ask 343 to finish what they start? They've already put so much work into this redeeming themselves from the initial disastrous launch in 2014 on XBONE, just needs a little more love and care to fix the lingering issues among the games in the collection.
I hate mtx as much as the next person and they are a blight on gaming but the community was stupid to react negatively to it especially since it was only going to be for spartan points and nothing else. We could've gotten more support for MCC just for paid spartan points and nothing else. Idiots. The community should've known that no mtx would've meant no more official support for MCC. We can only hope the mod team and/or the official team can make these fixes for H3 and H3 ODST along with other issues to make the games on par with legacy versions.
@@AvatarJian Hey. If 343 Industries didn't keep lumping things into The Exchange to disappear for up to two whole years if to even yet return at all, neglect to add certain items into The Exchange for coming up on *four [BEEP]ing years* or just plain make everything available and generally not use what was intended to be a repository for by-gone Seasonal Challenge as a place to blatantly siphon items from "Seasonal" Unlock Trees into, if not siphon a whole "Series" worth of items into it, maybe people would've been somewhat less rejecting of the idea for making Spartan Points available for real-world money.
As a matter of fact, maybe if 343 Industries still didn't arbitrarily make a significant portion of the Halo Infinite shop's 'stock' "Currently Unavailable" or "Vaulted" every Season at longest or month at shortest, maybe 343 Industries and/or Microsoft wouldn't be left so bloody confused as to why they're not making all the money in the world from that alone. And let's not forget that Halo 5: Guardians REQ Packs are likely still available for purchase, as numerous more Halo games on both Microsoft marketplaces & the Steam store certainly still are such as Halo Wars: Definitive Edition, Halo Wars 2, Halo: Spartan Assault & Halo: Spartan Strike, so there aren't lacking ways for revenue labelled "Halo" in Microsoft's financial reports to flow into the company.
My point is; When 343 Industries is so transparently creating problems that they would like to sell the solution for that I can point to numerous examples as to how they've already demonstrated the capability to solve them beforehand, with such examples as:
- Unlock Panels in the "Series" can have up to three items per Panel as earlier "Series" demonstrate, yet later "Series" would siphon off items into The Exchange just to give a single Nameplate it's own Panel
- Adjustments to The Exchange were made "on the fly" following the August 2022 Update as the new unlocks hadn't even become available for unlock as part of the update, but The Exchange continues to "rotate" on a vastly outdated "schedule" to this day with items still yet to even enter it and even 'Law's End' still remaining completely unavailable for unlock
maybe they shouldn't be surprised when people turn around and demand that they clean up their miserable act before they start asking for more money beyond the purchase of The Master Chief Collection and/or it's games.
Just some food for thought from an "idiot".
@AvatarJian lol halo 5 and Halo wars 2 both have mtx and they're abandoned
@unknownwill4th549 that's because those are trash games and had intrusive mtx that affects the game and is pay to win. Gameplay in MCC wouldn't be affected if spartan points could be bought. Do some research
I KNEW I WASNT CRAZY WHEN I THOUGHT THE RECOIL WAS DIFFERENT
same with the desert firefight map looking like minecraft sand instead of that orange ish tint
I know I was thinking I must have been a god when aiming back in the day but they just changed it for some reason
how did you escape the asylum? dangers to society like you should be locked up!
Never doubt yourself Broham!!
You are very observant. Most of us just play the game and think to ourselves "this isn't as good as I remember". This helps me understand why
Videos I’ve seen on Halo 1+2 and Half Life 2 getting downgraded with future “updates” are a good example though in Halo’s case it was the reverse on the MCC versions: they were based on buggy as hell PC ports Halo 1’s of which was by Gearbox and after the videos pointing out the bugs & issues came out, they eventually got fixed.
Half Life 2 however still sucks in its current state, forcing you to run the original 2004/2006 Source Engine versions as mods like on Legacy Halo PC 1+2 if you want to play the good versions at all.
Ross Scott even spied this crap in other games too like Track Mania 2 and others still spotted it in the Gamecube & modern platform releases of Sonic Adventure 1+2
I thought it was better to have the pull-down from the recoil on you
Because it's a conscious decision to pull the gun back down if you didn't keep it in check while firing
The darkening problem is even worst since these are already high contrast 7th gen games. Detail in the dark is gone.
Please bring up the lipsyncing in Halo 3’s cutscenes. In the original their lips match what they’re saying, in MCC they just flap their lips around no matter what they’re saying, including Johnson’s death scene….
I used to think it was normal, but you are right, load up epilogue in halo 3 odst and pay attention to Johnson as he speaks and the difference between odst Johnson lipsync and halo 3 Johnson lipsync is insane!
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@@forpdrop3793 hi Marlboro!!!
The music is also off, it comes in randomly
i think it's because of 60fps
4:30 I remember reporting this to them during the tests and being pretty annoyed when I was dismissed and told “nobody will really notice”
Gotta love how Microsoft cut support because people don't want microtransactions in a game that still is borked to a degree 10 years later.
The thing that's bugged me the most is the classic music for Halo 2's campaign being so quiet and I much prefer it to the anniversary soundtrack. Seems like something that would be very easy to fix but hasn't been yet. I'm starting to wonder if it's because of some contractual/legal thing since they probably spent a good amount of money on the anniversary soundtrack and may want it to be the 'main' one.
You can “fix” this by keeping the music at 100% and turning all the sound effects down.
@@InclementFilms Fair point but would rather they just turn the music up so it's mixed the same as the OG version was.
Thank God for Why fighting the good fight to get these works of art preserved for future generations down to the last detail.
Literally no life at all apparently.
"Umm yeah the color shade is .000001% off... this is LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE!"
I would hate to be a 343 Employee in charge of dealing with Bug tickets... just constant streams of this shit.
@@PeterMuskrat6968 its more about pushing for an experience more authentic to the original and a preservation of the art and soul of that original works. Hopefully, now that the game has mod support on pc, the community can take it in our own hands
@@PeterMuskrat6968 Maybe they should get it right the first time. It's not like they're making a new game.
Note to everyone building games: Tie time-dependent algorithms to scale around delta time instead of frame rate (frame rate based algorithms can manifest as a fixed expected amount of time between updates). It’s not a silver bullet, but it reduces the amount of possible bugs people will have when they start playing your games at unexpected frame rates
The carbine reticle is specifically based off of the halo 2 vista reticle which also does not match legacy
I don't know if someone already mentioned this but in my case 2 firefight maps are broken, these are chasm tem, the enemies do not go up to the platforms that take you up, and they get stuck in the boxes that are below, the next broken map is security zone when you kill most of the squad of enemies, there are some that remain at the bottom of the map, waiting and they are not going to attack you
Yes same here. These maps have become unplayable for me because of these issues.
@@slipspacerapture You see... THAT is an issue.
Not the fucking color shade being literally non-noticeably different.
Many thanks for highlighting this issues and the work on the list. It's painful seeing how MCC had the potential of becoming one of the greatest preservation projects in the industry.
It was never meant to be a way to preserve the older games. It was Microsoft’s greedy attempt to cash in on Halo 2’s ten year anniversary. They wanted way too much out of it in a short period of time, porting four titles, creating a new remaster and tacking on an unnecessary multiplayer using Halo 4’s engine. Then they abandoned it for years when it inevitably failed.
@@Horgler I agree, unfortunately the updates maintained a precedent that seemed to indicate otherwise. It's sad it's the most accessible experience for future generations.
@@Horgler Man, I gotta be real, I get what you're saying about them being greedy about MCC.
But then I look at how beautiful Halo 2 Anniversary is, and it really makes me not care.
The whitening of the scenes and characters is definetly the worst issue and it affects like every game.
Makes me sad the current condition of Halo MCC, there’s a lot of issues present like the lights glaring on Halo Reach, Audio being too low and soundtracks not playing when it should in Halo 2 classic graphics, the gamma settings is also stuffed on the Xbox version by not showing the correct outcomes, same goes for the gamma in the UI or when inspecting your Spartan in the menu, Halo 3 still has some things that were never fixed like the last mission where the pillars move back when driving the warthog, all I want is for MCC to bring the Halos back to their original states, i don’t really care for any additional stuff I just want the games to behave as they did back then; there should be no excuse as to why there’s bugs in Halo MCC that weren’t in the original games.
The color stuff is possibly because of the color correction to avoid color banding. The problem was also in classic Halo 1 and 2 graphics but was fixed when they recieved their respective patches
Please understand, 343i is just a small indie company.
Lmao
Always pleased to see another why vid, especially when it's pointing out ways to improve the games in the MCC to more accurately reflect their original versions.
Even halo infinite has silly visual issues like this, the needler has missing effects for hitting vehicles and just vanish which i think modders have said is a broken material response, and halo infinite also lost volumetric visual effects when banished gates open/close in the campaign.
Minor visual problems and polish problems in halo mcc and halo infinite that bother us just do not seem to be a priority for 343, the last big update fixed problems that the previous caused, which wasted potential time that could have been spent for issues like these to be fixed, i don't know if this was caused by contractors or people that aren't familiar with the games, but i do have hope, i have support tickets for things like this that go back 2 years.
All the time and effort spent adding skins and battle passes to MCC could have been spent fixing visual bugs and some other issues. I still think it's a blasphemy that the team didn't add the backgrounds from the OG games.
I think you correctly identified that they are minor visual and polish problems.
Yeah it sucks, I wish they were fixed, but to be honest I wouldn't notice maybe but 1 thing in this whole video, just doing a playthrough.
Thank you for putting this together!
As much as its great to see many of this issues in a video, the problem at this point with 343 is the rumor right now is that they have had to more or less ended support with the MCC (and also lack the resources to continue working on the MCC as well) so the chances of things like this getting fixed is pretty low now. I know we love being scientifically accurate to the tee with the original Xbox 360 version (or original Xbox) with all games (and I know we want to "preserve" as much of the originals as possible) with getting all of these issues fixed, but we have to remember with the Halo games, when doing ports, rarely everything about a game is going to be 1:1 with the originals, a lot of times things have to be redrawn in order to make it workable (and 343 only really worked on a select number of the games in the collection to go deep into fixing them). Halo games are notorious with the games being designed with one hardware spec in mind and opening them up to being flexible on hardware, the games were never built this way in mind, so many new issues will pop up when porting them to platforms like PC. I hope 343 will somehow keeps updates still coming but I don't have much hope things are going to continue now.
They fixed the graphical errors of Halo combat evolved tho
Why, you are a true Spartan.
Keep up the good work. I occasionally get a little sad when I see these issues highlighted that I sometimes didn't even realise, but they need to be documented, and you continue to do such sterling work.
I will absolutely take time out of my day to get these tickets submitted. I will backtrack your videos to make sure I've not missed any others.
Good day, sir, and here's to MS/343i undertaking one final fight to see these fixes through to fruition..
Always love your detailed videos! Good stuff! 😎👌🏻
Thank you for making these videos 🙏
does anyone miss when reach and odst were coming out man, being 12 man i miss those days
Damn, so detailed, well done, I should get you test my mods missions for bugs haha
Whst wiukd we do without you! This is great
Never knew there was such a huge difference
Hopefully they go back and fix these. The recoil bug is kinda crazy. It would earn 343 a lot of goodwill
thanks for making this ive loved your previous insightful videos on mcc graphical issues and ive always been wanting a good visual representation of what the ODST issues are. are there any mods that aim to fix these across the games or would that be too much of an undertaking?
15:09 If flood actually did that in the game it would be terrifying!
Nice observations! I just started playing odst on mcc now, and its sad to see how many things are wrong, it seems so rushed and not a drop of passion was put into it, adding new content over fixing stuff is so upsetting. og one is so much more thought out.. what really drives me crazy in odst is the exposure, some scenes you can't even appreciate the skybox and the overall composition cause is all too BRIGHT, and the one about less detailed armor and helmet model caught me off guard, how does one mess that up so badly?!?
Your attention to detail is amazing, doing Chiefs work. ❤
Great Video
I submitted a ticket about the Halo 3 LASO achievement never popping for me. It says 11/11 completed on the playlist and ive done the whole thing twice and both the people i did it with got the achievement and i never did. It makes no sense and I never heard anything back all these years later. So dumb.
Another achievement “The marine corps sends their regards” which requires you to beat par score on all missions in ODST is stuck at 99% for me… Despite me clearing the game multiple times on legendary.
Thanks 343
Another great overview! Only ones I knew about were the recoil, colors, and firefight hands. The last one has always been so obvious to me...not sure how it was never fixed. I reported it multiple times...The hands had the correct colors in the ODST PC flight, but they've been broken since the PC launch.
wow you played on all 3 platforms, good work
it’s worse that mcc makes running halo 2 on anniversary graphics actually work but trying to use the original for better fps fucking crash everything
Watching these just makes me sad that they’ll likely never be fixed. I wish the community could do something about it but it would require access to the source code :(
The funny part is if modders were inlisted to fix these issues the game would have been on par with legacy YEARS ago.
Modders WERE enlisted to fix it, my guy. A lot of the team who worked on MCC were recruited from the community.
Sometimes there are issues that you genuinely cannot fix.
@@clonecam117thefilthycasual6 Nah I Dunno what your talking about man... NeckbeardHaloGuy here says the game is unplayable and they must drop everything they are doing to fix it!
(Sarcasm)
@@PeterMuskrat6968 Oh no! The bloom is slightly different because Bungo coded the entire effect to be dependent on resolution. Game LITERALLY unplayable!
Modders would obviously fix it though, modders are obviously FAR more qualified than the actual developers with access to the source code and dev SDK
@@clonecam117thefilthycasual6 you make fun of it but so many modders have done a better job with fixing games. Just look at gta IV. Rockstar completely boke it with their port and modders fixed the hell of it. If they had the source code and dev SDk then yeah they would do a better job because there are no resources devoted to it. Same goes for MCC halo games. Not only that, but there is a modding team working on bringing back cut content and they've done an excellent job. The Halo digsite team
man you really gotta have an easily findable username 😭 been missing your content for awhile
Hey why, another great and very detailed video as always. I guess it's good that I didn't have an Xbox growing up (I had Nintendo consoles) because as I've been playing the MCC games for the first time, I don't have the Xbox counterparts to compare them to. As far as I'm concerned, these are how the games always looked and played. Keep up the great work!
Didn't microsoft end support for MCC last year? I don't think we will be getting any bug fixes.
they have still released some patches lately this year. Just fixes but no new content which is fine to me.
These videos are my guilty pleasure 🤤
Thanks for making em.
343 pls
Great video. What software did you use to cap the game at 30 fps?
I also don't get why they didnt mess with the shadow draw system cus when u have like 5 npcs on screen some of them wont have shadows no matter the distances to the player or the camera ik this affects halo 2 and 3 dk about the rest.
343: "What's that? Stuff's still broken? That's not good, but hey, here's a nameplate."
"If you enjoyed what you like"
I appreciate the attention to detail - its small changes added up over time that make a world of difference, and players may feel there's a difference even if they cant vocalize it.
Huh. I thought the oval reticules was an MCC thing, but apparently they were already oval on xbox 360
Great work as always
I know this isn’t the same game in the collection but with the abundance of these graphics comparisons 343 failed in an attempt to restore Halo Reach’s original lighting but this resulted in a flickering bloom effect in the final mission. I don’t want people to resort to emulation just to have an upscale version of the Legacy Graphics. Fans Patches can only do so much but what can we do about this?
To be fair the transparent water looks like an upgrade.
Please make a video addressing the flickering light issues that MCC Reach has on xbox. The flickering lights make the game unplayable for me as it’s so distracting. I have these issues on series x. An entire Halo game in the MCC is broken and I find that to be so absurd.
After making this comment I see you have a video on Reach about a year ago but the bug I experience isn’t part of it. Perhaps the game was broken with a recent update.
Sad that these will probably never be fixed now that support is being ended for MCC :(
I always noticed the recoil on the handgun was crazy but I never went back to compare. Thanks for doing the work for me 😂
why, can i link you my 100 page MCC wishlist. it was featured in mint blitz's 'final mcc update' video
It’s stuff like this that proofs that porting games or making HD remasters isn’t easy as people may think. Im all for Preservation but it needs to be done right
You mean isn't as easy?
@@jasperfox6821 Oof sorry. I should turn off autocorrect. Btw i think it’s funny that i was corrected by a furry femboy. gotte add that to the list of unexpected stuff.
@@CYAN_TOP_HAT heh, no problem nonfur, expect the unexpected in this strange world we call home 🦊
@@jasperfox6821 I will try femboy furry!
13:55 with slow motion is possible to see that the ground debree moves separate to the world
I'm glad that those issues aren't present anymore! After Paying so much dabloons for MCC it'd be a shame if it wasn't the best version possible. But yeah those bugs were the reason I haven't played this game in like 4 years-ish
Have they fixed romeo shooting out several gallons of blood in the cutscene where he gets cut in the chest?
That was a bug? I always assumed it was done on purpose for comical effect
@eliflores9819 i don't actually know for sure, after all the thing that ruined ODSTs narrative for me was the goofy tone of the cutscenes, but even so i think that is TOO ridiculous to be intentional
For the laser reticle, the ruler in the circle is also a different design.
I was wondering why when replaying this on MCC it just didn't feel or look as good or "right" like the original 360 version
Wheres the link to the master bug list? Its not in the description like you said
Thanks for pointing out my mistake. I added an info card link but forgot to put one in the description for this video. I've gone ahead and added a link.
7:37 - Likely some oddity in the shader when combining the detail layers for a surface.....
Don't forget the flamethrower issue on data hive.
Alot more bugs are caused by the Higher FPS, Like the end of match taking so long to end is most likely caused by that as well, the spartan lazer light trailing behind I suspect is also affected by this, aswell as the vaulting animations doing that clipping, it wouldn't surprise me, if the 90FOV glitch is also related,
Gee...you know, there was speculation for a while that 343 Industries was deliberately sabotaging the Master Chief collection, so that we would think the original titles were buggy messes, just like the new titles, and wouldn't want to go back to them.
Nice job 343...
Can you do one on Halo 2
Thank you for your video. I feel I was even more justified in thinking that the MCC was such a missed opportunity. They could have improved on some things, instead we just get even more jank.
Sad that these issues, and all other issues in MCC will likely never be addressed now that they've essentially completely moved on from MCC support.
we still have a chance
water and glowing hunters are more like an upgrade XD
if they wont fix infinite then we can expect even less chances for them to fix any of this
I feel like a handful of these are just improvements lol
Like the water being slightly transparent
Oh man. We’re back with the graphical issues. It’s like they never left lol
Strange, I always thought that recoil difference in odst had to do with the fact that you aren’t a spartan, and aren’t as trained with the guns you pick up
At 2:40 it seems that the issue isn't with the colors being darker & more so the colors being desaturation.
Is this just a PC thing or does it affect XBOX MCC?
It's too bad there's not a way to play this incredible game at a stable 60 fps, even at a similar resolution to the 360's output, without incurring all these graphical bugs and downgrades.
People who find these very subtle changes are insane, I think I might've known the gamma and color was wrong, but this is next level.
I KNEW THE CROSSHAIRS WERE DIFFERENT
Not a Halo 3 or ODST bug but, it bothers me so much how in CE grabbing the Banshee early on Two Betrayals disables music for the rest of the level :( I swear I used to always do that when I was a kid on original and it didn't completely screw the game like that
Why?
The forced CC feels like a confidence issue
I Can Hear Ya, Buddy !
"I didn't pay for a broken product, I paid for what you advertised." -- "Well it was like that when we advertised it so..." -- "Did you advertise that part anywhere?" -- "Well no but, we kinda didn't have to either sooo, get f$%@ed nerds lmao" -- "Well that kind of sucks but okay. It's not like I can do anything about it but I wish you wouldn't have done that. Maybe you could take the time to fix it later?" -- "Sure okay we'll fix it later, please don't be mad at us and especially don't make a big fuss about it in the media because then we might actually be liable for something." -- "Sounds suspicious but OK. Please just fix this, it means a lot to us." -- *10 years later* "Anyways, it wasn't making us ANY MORE MONEY so thanks for the money you did give us initially, but that wasn't for fixing it just for giving it to you in the first place, bye now. No warranties, no givesies backsies lolololo"
The modern games industry in a nutshell. They'll just keep getting away with it too.
I'm literally making a video all about Firefight and I've been having those horrible theater bugs :/
It really would be a shame if only half of the MCC got the graphics touch ups to fix these issues (CE, 2, and Reach got overhauls to restore/improve graphics while 3, ODST, and 4 are less polished. Though to be fair 3 had the least issues of them all so only the latter two need it). Chances are low considering the position MCC development is in, but one can dream.
When anyone else plays Halo Two Anniversary on the Xbox One, is it incredibly glitchy for anyone else? When I play, destroyed vehicles move on their own and the bodies of the covenant begin to move around
Some of these seem like improvements to me, tho.
I feel like tons of games have auto exposure calibrated incorrectly based on what you showed here.
this has to be seen
Im glad to know im not crazy
I think your main problem with the colours is the use of auto hdr as odst wasn’t meant to have that
5:3 0 - WTF. Why wouldn't they just multiply by the "FrameDeltaTime" to make it fps independent for time calculations?
I get it -- they knew the game was targeting 30fps... but seriously? Such a small change and is industry practice basically everywhere since early 1985 PCs.....
Microsoft killed support for the mcc since we all said we don’t want micro transactions in mcc a couple years ago
true, but it got an update with some fixes pretty recently like fixing the halo 2 hit reg and some other fixes. If they could just fix al the other visual issues and gameplay oddities so that it matches the legacy 360 versions then it'd be a complete collection.
for the recoil one, honestly i wouldn't really see it as an issue. unlike other games, you are an odst. i mean maybe for the automag but the carbine feels reasonable, it is a covenant weapon afterall and you're practically just a ordinary human.
The autoexposure is especially horrible when on missions like Tayari plaza, Uplift reserve and Police station, it will constantly blind you whenever you mele or leave indoor areas, is god dam awfull....
The screen is slightly darker unplayable
Too bad they'll never fix it. As for the color issues, the Xbox 360 had EXTREMELY poor color quality for its time, so a lot of direct ports off that system don't look right. I have a feeling that if you ran ODST in Xenia, you'd have a similar result.