It's not how it works, though. While your claim is true in general, thieves usually don't want *your* bike. They want to steal bikes that they can sell while exposing themselves to minimal risk. So if your bike is harder to steal than the other ones the thieves have access to, then it will increase your chances of keeping the bike. Of course, if your bike is very valuable compared to the other ones *and* the thieves know that they can sell it then your chances go down. All in all, it's multi variate and complex and better locks definitely improve your chances.
Fits perfectly on my electric scooter, no noise, tight fit and well worth the money I paid. Use it when I nip in the shop. (Even the key has a little light on it to see the keyhole in the dark, ffs! 😂 It's a great German design and best lock I ever bought). Nothing is going to withstand a prolonged angle grinder attack, so you're overlooking all the benefits of this item, of which it has many)
Excellent reply! This Mon thinks every thieving scroat marches around with a industrial angle grinder. 😂 This lock will keep most urban tea leafs at bay. No lock is foolproof. Where there's a will there's a way. Excellent lock. & Works well for me. I'm like a rottweiler though. Pie shop. paper shop. Etc. My bike is watched it's within my line of sight. I never ever leave it unattended. 28 Years & not one incident. I've caught em. At it. Doing a recce. Weighing it
I think the best use case of these foldable locks is that they are far more resistant to the bolt cutter, and they are, and the bold cutter is still the weapon of choice for most bike jackers, Id say even now less than 10% of them will actually carry a grinder.
Coming from the point-of-view as a cycle tourer - the bike is going to be locked up on a campsite. You need to get a lock around random objects like fence posts and trees. U-lock doesn't work here and (hopefully) people aren't tooled up with angle grinders on campsites. So I have one, on the basis that's it's better than a cable. Also nice that it folds up and you can put it somewhere out the way on the frame, as you've got bottle mounts and other lugggage to deal with. I can see however, that it's not the best lock in an urban setting.
Breaking a lock is always a matter of time. With a circular saw it is very noisy and still takes a bit. With a nut splitter it takes quite a while and it can damage you and/or the bike when it breaks. I think the bordo is quite a good compromise being compact but not quickly cut with a bolt cutter. This not a lock to leave a 5000 EUR bike with over night at the station (none is) but very much good enough to leave the 1000 EUR bike outside when going shopping. I think you should put things a little more into perspective here.
I agree 100%. And is this guy actually promoting not locking your bike up against an immovable object because it is easier to cut it with a circular saw if it is? The main thing a bike lock protects against is the opportunists. If a bike is completely unlocked, someone will just ride away on it. If a bike is locked with the worlds safest lock, but not locked to an immovabe object, someone will just carry the bike away. Sure, someone can bring out big powertools and grind the locks away, but that is far less of a risk. Depending on where the bike is, it could be an non-existinf risk. And yes, picking the lock is just as viable as breaking it. In some situations, it could be faster and more discrete, given the right tools. There is always a tradeoff between weight, compactness, price and security. This lock seems decent for what it is. There are many many worse locks.
like i posted here already, this lock got me a very nice 2000€ bike stolen in less then 4 min i was getting a sandwich in a shop. there are truly people walking around with these kind of tools. again not even safe for such a small time in daylight
@@bekhele I truly believe this lock should be used combined with a U-LOCK, so they both can delay more the thieves or protect the wheels. One friend found his foldable lock sliced like yours, but the u-lock was intact attached to the bike and the pole, the bike was on the floor, it seems the thief thought it already got the bike by cutting the foldable lock, then he realized he will need to cut the other lock too, so he fled. This happened in Grenoble, the french capital of bike thieves.
Mate, if you can cut through heavy and incredibly inconvenient U-lock in 30 seconds, then it makes zero difference what lock you're going to use, might as well use what is more convenient to carry. If this is not good for you, then what do you recommend instead? 2" thick anchor chain?
multiple ulocks might slow them down... honestly Id hope that just the noise of someone using an angle grinder should be enough to attract some attention
@@aegisgfxyou're not wrong, but even if they're in the middle of busy street, what're you (no you personally) going to do? Go approach a guy with an angle grinder? Call a police? Works, but the bike is already gone in that time.
@@Sapemies58 yeah since my original comment I have determined that no one angle grinds a bike lock in broad daylight, its one of things that only happens on youtube, its click bait. Real thieves are quiet, they are fast, and they take the bike of least resistance with bolt cutters.
@@aegisgfx the true pros use a van and hydraulic bolt croppers. I mean the tool is literally made to cut thick chains and bars. Or up another notch and the have hydraulic rebar cutter. Takes about 10s with no sound. Like you said, all the angle grinder talk is just absolute clickbait bs.
@@Sapemies58 yep, its staged by the people who make these videos to get clicks. The odds of anyone anywhere ever catching a bike thief in the process of stealing a very is very small, yet we see thousands of videos of it happening, all of them are fake.
Still gonna buy one. It's got a ART 2 security rating and that is also what the insurance asks for bikes. Any lock can get cut/grinded with enough time.
This video failed to address the main (only?) advantage of this lock which is its ability to be used successfully as a quick, light lock when going into a store, deli, restaurant where one can keep one's eyes on the bicycle or where the away time involved is less than it takes for a thief to break the lock.
@@samt.1369 hello i posted this already a few times already in this thread but please dont buy it, i had my bike stolen in less then 4 min going into a store, there are people walking with these kind of tools like the cvideo poster is saying. a 2000€ bike, just like that, they left the lock, perfect laser cut, it had to be one of those battery driven circel cutters. again the time span i grabbed a sandiwh in a store with no que, grabbed it, payed it...and this lock was defeated and bike gone
@@LipziG3R this one offered kess resitance then a peicecof rope,but yet its marketed as one of the strongest locks,asking preium money,2,3 times as much then much more durable locks,that is my issue with this one,not thatvits breached,but that it give less resitance,while being vastly more expensive .mycadvice is get a lock,only don't spend silly money to this overrzted gadget
We purchased 2 and they are 5mm hardened steel plate and also have a movement alarm built in at 100db...! Don't leave your bike in sketchy locations, try and lock them out the front where people are and well lit. Any grinder or circular metal saw with time can destroy any lock.... PS: get decent insurance...!
Obviously not the lock you want to use when you'll be away from your bike for too long, but perfect for long rides where you don't want to bring a heavy u-lock so its a nice deterrent for just popping into a shop real quick. Honestly if you have a nice bike you should never leave it locked outside anywhere anyway.
I use it to pop inside the shops for upto 30 mins with bike by cameras but I feel like it may as well just be stool leaning against the very chunky posts in the car park aha
I'm in the market for a lock too but I'm becoming more confused the more I research. Conclusion is that breaking ANY lock is a matter of time, tools and commitment. Casual thieves can be held of be a decent lock, but committed thieves not. Frustrating, I know. In the end it's the story of you and your friend getting chased by a bear. You don't need to outrun the bear, just outrun the friend. I guess the same applies unfortunately for locks.
In the end it's the story of you and your friend getting chased by a bear. You don't need to outrun the bear, just outrun the friend. I have never heard this expression and I LOVE IT.
@@antonip1114 It is very ugly expression. How about stopping and helping your slower friend, for both of you to drive away/distract the bear? I wouldn't want to go to a forest with a friend ready to "outrun" me, how about you? :)
there are lot of videos of random bike jackers using angle grinders, but the majority of those crack heads are still using the trusted bolt cutters because they are quiet. Only a complete psycho thief is going to pull out angle grinder and make all that noise + sparks in a public place.
@@aegisgfx my buddy literally showed me the video of the dude breaking into the bike storage at 2:30am, had a friend outside of it for lookout. He took the angle grinder to the $100 Kryptonite Evolution, took around 1-2 minutes, then he walked the Lectric 3.0 bike out. Luckily my friend took the battery, so the dick head got a 80lb e-bike with no battery. Fucking asshole of a guy he is. The apartment complex has well over 200 units, SOMEONE 100% heard that shit.
I got one of these and today my key snapped in half and half of the key is stuck in the lock. I have to go back to town later to try and remove it. I will go with a 12 inch standard hacksaw and report back
I was unable to even scratch the steel bars with a brand new hacksaw blade. It was like trying to cut glass. Wouldn’t even make a scratch. We tried over stressing the joints and this also was in vain. My bike is still stuck in town so will have to ask a professional.
Ok so here is the third and final part of my story: I went back today with 40cm bolt cutters. They were simply too small and did nothing. You can forget cutting through the steel arms. These normal size bolt cutters made very slight indents to the surface but were no way on earth going to cut through the steel - even if it is only 4mm thick, it's just so hard. Then I went to the shop and purchased 750mm bolt cutters. These are pretty massive and heavy and with these I was able to prise apart one of the joints connecting two of the arms. In order to do this, the lock was sitting on top of a metal post to which the bike was locked. It was still extremely difficult, and I had to use all my force pulling down right at the ends of these almost 3 foot handles. The bolt cutter did not cut through so much as prise apart the two arms popping out the hardened steel rivet that allows the lock to fold. It was touch and go and I had a big audience as it was outside a coffee shop, so I had to kind of explain to everyone that I wasn't a thief! So, it is possible to break, but you need an enormous tool, or an angle grinder. But then again, look at all the D lock videos on youtube and you will see that ALL of them can be compromised with an angle grinder, so I think this review is rather harsh given my experience. I would say this is a very strong lock for all but the most determined of thieves. Cheers.
@@blakey271able what in your misguided mind thinks a circ saw is the same as an angle grinder? Because they are completely different. Clearly you play on the computer and dont play with actual power tools to not even know theres a big difference.
Think about it like this, if you are unlucky to leave your bike where a bike thief happens to be with an angle grinder. Unfortunately having a lock that takes 5 seconds or 30 seconds to cut isn't going to make much difference to the outcome as it wont deter them if you have the bike they want. My expensive bikes I never use a lock on, I either leave with friends or take with me. I bought myself a cheap bike for riding places where I'm going to need to lock it. My lock is actually worth as much as my bike lol, that's really the only solution is having a cheap bike as they wont both trying to steal it.
Just theory but no proofs. I‘m pretty sure that you won‘t be able to crack the lock in 90sec. And professionel thiefs are able to kill almost every lock. This lock is good enough to safe your bike at public places for a few hours. All i need.
I had the light version of this and tested its strength after replacing it. I could literally break it with my bare hands by pressing down and pulling up. It was a light version of the lock, so I don’t know if this works for the heavier versions.
told the story before, but reitarate again, i had my bike with this lock stolen in the time span i grabbed a sandwich and payed in a store with no que... 3-4 minutes tops and the security of it failed miserably
You can cut every lock, chain or bolt if you have enough time and the right tools to cut it. Every owner of an expensive bike has to think about were he can leave his bike alone without a high risk of getting it stolen.
Totally anecdotal, but I can only say that I haven't had a bike stolen in 7-8 years of using this lock, and had 2 stolen in the 4 years before using cable and U locks An angle grinder is a slightly less common tool for a bike thief to carry than bolt cutters. If the bike is locked in a busy area then using an angle grinder is very high risk as it draws everyone's attention, whereas bolt cutters can be used discreetly. Therefore I believe a combination of this lock, which is highly resistant to bolt cutters, and making sure to leave it in populated areas is a good strategy if you don't want to lug a heavy chain lock around with you For a real high end bike you would probably want to go with something less convenient, more heavy duty. But I think it's a good compromise for my £1,200 one
Abus Bord o 6000 gone with my bike in Berlin, , what do you think of combination of Abus 540 ulock + frame lock ?-- what’s the reason they take the cut locks with them?
Taking the cut lock removes the evidence of any fingerprints / DNA, and an indication of which tool was used. Also it raises a tiny doubt about the owner's story. Yes an abus 540 plus a frame lock is a good combination IMO
This video is rubbish, how does he come up with the actual steel being only 2mm? I measured mine, with the plastic coating it is 7mm thick, if you remove the plastic the actual steel is 5mm as advertised!
still what he says is true, wit ha circle disk you cut like butter trough it, i got my bike stolen with this lock under 3-4 min i jumped into a store.it was a perfectly cut. so yeah i experienced this video is absolutely anything but rubbish
@@bekhele this is anecdotal evidence at best, a one-of recount, not true scientific proof ; yes, it happened to you (I guess?), but that doesn't mean is is a standard occurring instance, based on this anecdotal evidence, you can be hold liable by the company for damaging their credibility
@@johaniojo well that anecdotal evidence was my reality, i dont see why it could not be other people's reality? based on the clean cut in this short amount of time ( they left the lock) it had to be with one of those easy portable battery driven circle cutters. and so since it happened, meaning, you evidentially do have criminals wandering around having these kind of tools tools just at hands. it was a very nice fancy premium carbon MTb valued over more then 2000€! as you can understand after such an experience i can not recommend this product. i kid you not, went in a store, grabbed a sandwich ,no queue,just payed...bike gone. this is one of the most expensive of the abus locks , but as i experienced,"anecdotal" its an expensive overpriced over marketed piece of trash. but you will probably know it all better in your extensive experience...
Anyone can see that these folding locks are crap, they are thin metal with points that are vulnerable. Treat them like cable lock only very quick stops as s secondary lock but never a main one. As Powered tools will get through them in seconds
The protective covering is 1.5 mm on each side, leaving just 2 mm for the steel blades. That's only 1/8 of an inch. There is another version of this lock with an alarm that will warn you if someone is tampering with the lock or the bike.
Good to point out the various potential issues with this type of lock. . The major benefit with this type of lock is that they are great for its portability and mounting on the bicycle. I find that this type of lock is a decent second lock - that you can use e.g. to lock the front wheel to the bicycle frame. It will at least be much better than a cable lock, whilst still being very portable. . I think that using a good U-lock on the back wheel / frame and one of these folding locks to secure the front wheel is a good combination. . cheers JB
I have two alarms on my bike. I had one then bought a tail light combo. So they can be cutting while two seperate alarms are going off. I don’t think so.
Lost my bike that had one of those on it. The the Bordo alarm. It was parked under my window at the office and thought that would give me ntice so that I could rush downstairs. The technique they used is to grab a seat post from another bike to use as a lever and simply twist the lock until it breaks.
My 2 bikes got stolen from home, 1 ebike and 1 mtb. I used long wire based lock, i know i know they can be cut with simple cutter, learned my lesson. I got into my car and roamed around vancouver, and was able to find my ebike lol. Still missing 1 i guess it's gone forever. Was going to buy this lock i thought let's do youtube search 1st. Guess i will go for u lock or something better. Thanks for the video.
Think you're missing the point of the lock. It's better than a cable (wire cutters), less than a U lock (angle grinder). It's for low value / low risk IMHO. If you secure a £5k e-bike with this, then good luck. You'll need it!
I worked here its bs. In arizona under the hot sun these locks become warped. Orders are shipped out weeks late. Confusion in all areas assembly sales and warehouse has no clue on how to use scan guns.
I use the bordo lite lock on my daughers bike because it's easy and you will need heavy gear to break it. With heavy gear every lock can be broken in seconds. You advise buying the Abus Granit X PLUS U-lock, but this lock is expensive. Do you know which lock to buy in the 60 euro price range?
Hello! One of the older Kryptonite Evolution series 4 model U-locks are exactly 60 euros, with a cable to thread through the wheel or under the seat. You could add a framelock over the back wheel too for 10 - 30 euros : amzn.to/3EGTbOW
these are for quick park outside a shop and this at it's weight and compactness is perfect for that if you leave a bike in a remote area where someone can come with a loud grinder and noone cares nothing will prevent it from being stolen imo anything that requires an angle grinder and cannot be snipped with a pocket 7" wire cutter is ok for a 10min shop visit very unlikely someone will steal it if it requires 2 minutes of loud grinding to get through
Thanks a lot. You saved me from a not-so-good buy. What do you think about the Kryponite counterpart of those Abus ? At least, they come with their ATPO eligibility.
Hello! Yes ATPO is a good idea, though slightly cynical that a person has to pay again to register the lock - the locks are already quite expensive. The Fahgettaboudit is a good model, though pretty heavy, and I think perhaps more appropriate for motorbikes or mopeds, where you can carry it easier in the top box or under the seat. I think the Abus Granit X U-locks are better that the Kryptonite U evolution locks.
I don't know about Brussels, but in the US the name of the game is... make your bike look harder to steal than the next guy's. Most people have never SEEN this lock here, and so they move on to one that they know how to cut, and that they know how long it will take to cut. Also we don't lock up $5k bikes here. My commuter cost $500 and my mountain bike goes into the car and into my house. It doesn't get locked up outside anywhere. The lock is incredibly convenient as you said, because you can lock up to all manner of fixed objects, from fences to trees to light poles. And mine is the combo lock, so I don't have to bother with keys. It's always on my bike. I too would like to see a video where you cut one. Abus might even be willing to send you one for just that reason.
Szyfrowe zamki to cicha zabawa w szukanie odpowiedniego kodu otwarcia. Lubię rozbrajać takie zamki w chwilę... to zabawki, dodatkowe ułatwienie bez kluczy...
Horses for courses. It’s not going to stop someone outside with an electric saw but it will stop an opportunist from nabbing a Brompton from a luggage rack just as the train doors are closing.
these foldable locks are like and 8/10 compared to ulock 9/10 compared to cable lock being 2/10, so Id say they are close to being as good as ulock, but nothing is 10/10 cuz anything can be cut
almost no bike jackers want the massive noise and sparks from an angle grinder, 99% of them are looking for the easy steal and they'll use the super quiet good old bolt cutters.
Its redicolous to have ppl bs-ing about how save a lock is, regarding to a power tool... there are none. Theses locks are not ment to hold a anglegrinder attack xD But i know the large ABUS X-Plus withstand a large bolt cutter.
Circular saw breaks u-locks just as easily. About the folding lock's 5mm: You did not mention WHICH model you talk about. Anyway, that's the thickness. The width is much larger. Both together determine the time to break it via circular saw. So you compare apples with oranges when comparing it with a circular cross-section. Moreover, just claims without any demonstrations in this video. Talk is cheap.
NO LOCK provides 100% security ... except the big model from Hiplok which cost 300 euros so what are the good alternatives around 100-150 euros? of course having 2 locks instead of one to increase a bit the time for the thief but still...
2:09 yep. I 1000% agree. All those links are twice the advantage for a thief. 2:31 forget about handiness. If the lock is a pain to put on AND it's strong? It's going to be a pain to get off! 4:02 I'm interested in that now
Clearly not the lock you want to use for areas that require higher security but my local cafe in a bike shop doesn't attract people with bolt cutters and angle grinders.
Just some corrections, so we're on the same page ;-) It is not not an Circular Saw", but an Angular Grinder, Disc grinder, Side grinder or a Flex... And the folding Abus is not 2 mm thick, the steel is more like 4 - 5 mm thick... And Yes it's only a matter of time to cut through steel-locks. Otherwise we need a whole another approch with e.g. boobytrapped locks with explosives to make it less attemting to steel other persons bikes. But Eouropes society have grown way too weak against the often more harsh immigrations boys The Germans have a saying too: If an Aldi-Flex can't make it, then use a Makita-Flex ;-) (In Germany and Denmark we had Aldi-stores sometimes with cheap handtools)
You recommend the abuse Granit which only has 13mm hardened steel. That's not enough, would even call this enough to be cut with a huge and good bold cutter, not even a angle grinder. If you are talking about a REALLY secure lock you need some for 200€+ protected and hardened against angle grinders. But non the less, they will still be cut and your bike will get stolen
@@TheCheapBikeChannel Answer to both of you: Your correct with the square shackle, at the time I wasn't sure if this would help. And I definitely hope people would do something, because here is the catch: Most people ignore someone using tools to break a lock, seen in many videos on youtube or in my city, where the thief's are not scared of taking bikes at busy places. They are not even scared to use angle grinders, which are wayyyy louder and should catch anyone's attention. Maybe electric bolt cutters would do the job, but they seem to fail against hardened steel bigger than 16 mm. Anyway, stay save💪
yo what if I use the folding lock with a combination of a u lock. My bike is 300 dollars so I also don't want to spend too much on a lock. so with the 2 locks, it should be under 100 dollars.
Both of those locks sound easy to break. It depends where you are leaving the bike. Probably it would be better to buy one high quality lock like the Abus Granit X Plus, with a cable going through the other wheel to stop it being removed.
1. Many accuse him of not backing up his claims. His fault goes the other way: that a 16mm U-lock would last longer than 30s-60s. There are numerous videos on UA-cam showing bicycle locks being cut open. The only advantage of a (good) U-lock is that one has to make 2 cuts and then you may need 60 seconds (with the bad ones you simply turn the shackle to the side). 2. In the event of organized theft, neither folding locks nor U-locks are of any use. Only good against occasional thieves (e.g. junkies) who roll away an unlocked bike (and may still have string cutters). There were already reports of children's gangs with a cheap battery flex. 3. The calculation with the cracking time often doesn't add up either, because passers-by just keep walking (at least in cowardly Germany; there are reaction tests with simulated theft attempts). 4. Due to the inflexibility of a U-lock you are much more likely to put your bike out of sight and that is a lot worse than buying 30 seconds more time.
Terrible review. This is a perfect lock for bikepacking. I’m never far away from my bike and so this stops opportunist thieves. Its handy as it folds up and is compact. Yes I wouldn’t lock my bike up with it overnight in the middle of London but then again most locks can be cut with an angle grinder so it’s a moot point anyway.
Just because I sometimes get confused by marketing, is the Abus Granit Bordo a different and (hopefully) improved version of the Abus Bordo? Or is it the same exact thing?
yes it is, but its still rubbish, i' posted it more in this thread, but i got my bike stolen withing just minutes i was quickly in and out of a shop.... the very best granit bordo, cut like a laser beam with one of these circle cutters...don't buy it!
Well written advice! Because my Abus has done well for me, except when I wanted to change the code after a year. Highly functional, it would be great to have a 4 fold. The trifold is a little short.
Bought this lock at the bike shop with a 10% discount and a this is the best lock on the market sales pitch.. brand new ebike was stolen last night.. 3 weeks into it 😢.. wish I watched this video before hand!
I'm glad I found you. I just got that lock earlier today but a slightly different version with 1" (2.5cm) links instead of the longer one you showed, but that doesn't fix its flaws.
Locks are for when you leave your bike alone while grocery shopping so someone just doesn’t jump on and leave unnoticed. If you leave your bike outside where someone can be alone with it for more than 10 minutes it’s gone, no matter the lock. I’m buying this lock because it works well enough, but I’m not stupid, ofc someone can break it if I let them.
@@TheCheapBikeChannel honestly no. I have a chain from there and another from a bike shop that I bought my current bike. I'm quite sure both are not a challenge to a good bolt cutter, so I was just curious if you had more reviews. In general, thank you for your advise. I will have two different lockers in my bike now to give thiefs incentive to target the bike next to it and not mine.
Good advice , i have a top of the range Riese & Muller supercharger e-bike which came with that lock . a very expensive bike with a cheap lock never makes sense , I back it up with a Litelok gold
Locks are for bike thefts that are not planned.. so your locks should be strong enought to withstand theft without any tools.. If thief have tools.. it’s game over.. nothing stops angel grinder..
What is the 'circular saw ' that is used to cut such a device ? I have a DeWalt angle grinder thinking that me the tool for the job ,which i use to cut off the ends of bolts and nails, so can you enlighten me what circular saw have i been missing?
insurance for a bike is a dumb idea, you'll pay 400/year for it and buy the time its stolen you will have spend more than the cost of the bike, then if you do make a claim they'll jack the rte up to 800/year making it even more useless. insurance is a 100% scam
I have no clue how you cut a U lock in 90 seconds using a circular saw. in my opinion it's impossible, not even in a week. I didn't watch the video, anyways... If you used an angle grinder it's another story. but a circular saw? hmmm.... I'm confused o.O
food for thought,I got a riese and muller cargo bike to do the school run on,when my wife was collecting it,she bought one of these locks,luckily I live in a small town where bike thieves aren't much of a problem.However a 6k bike might tempt somebody.....will look into a more suitable lock for peace of mind after seeing your video
I completely disagree with this guys video. First, those types of locks are fine for going out for a cruise with a friend. It’s not like I’m parking my 10k Ruffian ebike out in front of a mall and going in to shop for an hour. Let’s face it any lock can be cut, no matter what you pay for it. All a lock does is keep the good guys from taking your bike.
Stealing a horse used to be punishable by death; I think we should bring that back and apply it to cars and bikes, too. The easier a crime is to accomplish, the harsher the punishment should be, because the rewards far outweigh the risk for bike thieves.
sure dude. i always carry a circular saw with me. and a car battery. and a high power laser. and other unimaginable things when i search for stuff wich were left behind for more then 24h. you clearly have no experience with your 100$ bikes back in your garage ;^) no offense
I think that the point is that if you are leaving the bike in an area where there are professional thieves that make a good living stealing bikes then this bike lock won’t be good, but if you are in an area where there are only causal thieves or opportunists then this should fare well as long as you’re not gone for too long, preferably also better if it’s in your line of sight.
I got my 2000 euro carbon MTB stolen exactly like that, this same lock, while i was not even for 5 minutes in a store getting a sandwich, someone with a battery driven circle cutter appeared to be standing close and left the lock with a perfectly clean cut...i kid you not this was in perhaps 3-4 minutes. we live in a world you do have people walking around with these kind of tools, i learned it the hard way
@@bekhele sounds like they already knew you and your bike man, its hard to believe people have such random luck, running around with professional tools to steal bikes on first opportunity. i had a decision to make, when i needed a new lock.. buy a new one for decent price and risk some pro with a nutsplitter or other tool breaking your exact mechanism of security, or just get a lock to "scare" those away who dont carry tools with them... i decided to watch over my bike where ever i go and only leave my bike alone when i leave it in a well populated area while im shopping so they dont dare
@@Liqweed1337 nope, this was an area i rarely came, i came back from a stroll, friday afternoon nearing rush hour so many people actually on the streets. jumped in and out the shop and bike gone, lock left behind. my theory is first of all that was a bike that truly looked premium, i believe that makes potential thieves motivated to take risks since the reward is potentially high. and second i truly had the most unfortunate luck in the universe, either i locked my bike coincidentally right under the nose of someone with such equipment or, by coincidence someone past by coincidence right after i left it behind him having these tools on him. how it also be, it was bad misfortune for me. and again i was doing a long stroll across a channel far away from home, there was no following me or this was not an area people where aware me having this bike or coming there regularly. my biggest lessen learned is i never cycle on an expensive premium bike anymore in the city, only dirt cheap unattractive second hand. my premiere bike is only for outside of the city. this is btw my second premium bike stolen, first one was after a burglary, just came to pick it up inside. in that case however i was convinced they followed me and knew where they needed to be. so i have one stolen when safe inside, and one nt having left even 5 minutes behind both with great locks... if pro's with good equipment want your bike, its gone. like i said for me the only prevention is to make the incentive lesser rewarding for them. chances are much smaller they'll take these high risks, high efforts for non premium bikes. anyway i whish you the best of luck!
@@bekhele holy shit, sounds scary to ride the premium bike in town cause you literally had bad luck as it seems... Definately will keep your story in my back-mind for sure
The problem isn't that you can open these with big tools. The problem is that no one cares about persons using angle grinder in the city centre at lunchtime. Thieves can be so brazenly obvious and get away with it most of the time.
Don't compare cutting time with angle grinders because they are rarely used. Less than 1% of thieves would use such a loud power tool. They are mostly using no tool, hammer, snips or bolt cutters. Bolt cutters can be hidden, quiet and can get the job done pretty quickly. I was thinking of getting a folding lock but I will pass. Do not forget that these 3mm link is just one cut and then you grab the bike. With the u-lock, a thief needs to cut twice so cut through like 13-16mm hardened steel and another cut of 13-16 mm hardened steel.. total 26-32mm hardened steel.... It appears the steel of these folding locks is a weaker steel as well. Hardened steel vs steel vs alloy steel? Pretty much you are trading off security for portability, carry convenience, light weight and cool style with these folding locks. One may take the gamble with a cheap bike or use this lock for real quick stops or locking up by a window while for a quick meal in safe neighborhood. I always use my kryptonite standard ny u-lock for my more expensive bikes but I also use a onguard pitbull mini u-lock with my commuting bikes. I also use a cable for front wheel. Update: I bought a folding lock. Received it yesterday. I know it is less secure than my kryptonite ny standard u-lock for my expensive bikes and onguard mini pitbull u-lock for my cheaper hybrids but I can't stand riding with a backpack with a u-lock with my road bike. I am sacrificing some security for more comfort, lock weight reduction, more open locking space and a sleek compact cool style. I can ditch the backpack for a waist bag. I do lock up in a low bike theft area and in front of a window with other bikes. I see $1000-$1500 bikes locked up with cables and they aren't stolen so it gives me more peace of mind that my bike would be safe. People ride ebikes and lock it up with flimsy cable locks at my gym. I also have a bike alarm too that is ear bleeding loud. If I lived in NYC or San Francisco, I wouldn't ever use a folding lock. I would never ride my expensive bikes there. I am taking a risk. I have always used u-locks for all my life. If I instead used a combination cable lock and never gotten my bikes stolen, I wouldn't be surprised. I ride in a low bike theft area. Definitely not a high theft city or campus.
I'm glad to hear you were able to weigh the pros and cons of the lock and make a decision with your own situation in mind rather than taking a reviewer's word verbatim. I use a Bordo Granit X Plus as a secondary lock for my ebike in a high bike theft city; the primary one is a Hiplock D1000, the tertiary one is a Kryptonite Kryptolock standard, and I've replaced every nut with security nuts and filled every allen key'd screw with security stoppers. Not a replacement for proper lockup habits This thing is my pride and joy and the most expensive thing I own right now, and if it disappeared I would be absolutely devastated. Anyway, the actual reason I wanted to comment: Be careful with assuming the thief needs two cuts on every U-lock. Lower end ones are NOT double-shackled; they only lock on one side. The thief only needs to make one cut and the other side just falls out. Be safe!
@AfrinonM Yea. I would never use any single bolt u-lock with a crow foot as they tend to be using weak metal. One cut. Even some lesser name brand u-locks with dual bolt can be cut once and be bent because the metal is weak. I have a quad bolt onguard mini pitbull u-lock and kryptonite NY standard u-lock. I eventually got folding locks and I know they are weaker but I use it on my scooters. I can't use a u-lock or chain lock for my scooters. A thin chain lock could work but i would rather use a folding lock. No way I am carrying a u-lock or heavy chain lock for my scooters. I can get away with some security because I am in a low theft neighborhood and not high theft city or campus. If I were in the city, I am using my kryptonite NY standard u-lock or NY Cinch chain lock all the time.
He's talking from the perspective of a prepared and knowledgeable bike thief which are rare, and not opportunists but aim for bikes they know will be in a location. Folding locks are not for long term .
I've been riding this bike for about a month ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxwC0IIeIomGQVeBWg-kKJaToZkLEFIA2W and a half now and I think it's fantastic. It helps me get to work on time every day since I'm able to fit it inside of public transportation rush hour. The price is great too, people are always shocked when they ask me how much I paid for the fold up and I tell them "200". It's easy to fold and installation when it ships is insanely easy. All you have to install when the bike arrives is one foot pedal, everything else is done for you. I do recommend you carry some sort of wrench to tighten any loose screws on the handle bar and seat whenever they get a little bit loose. Other than that I think it's a fantastic bike. Easily fits in the home, can fit inside a car trunk and can even fit in subway rush hour.
I had a Schwinn cruiser that I left on my porch unlocked to see if it would get stolen (it did and I was surprised and pissed - yeah, I'm stupid). Took about a month. All security depends on your location and your local asshole criminals. I was in suburban Houston, Texas (cars not bikes). I'd imagine any bike centric big city (not Houston) would be a problem - London, Brussels, San Francisco, New York.
yep im one of those, getting a very nice carbon 2000€ MTB stolen with this lock in just the time span i got myself a sandwich in a shop, truly just minutes. they left the lock, it was clearly done by one of those circle cutters regarding the clean cut. this locks are expensive and marketed as safe, but its horse crap. the viedo poster is right you absolutely do have people walking around with these kind of tools
@@TheCheapBikeChannel happened last year, even tough painful i got quickly over it, there are worse things in life then material loss. you are from Brussels you say? well it happened by all coincidence in anderlecht! this city is a plague in this regard! i had 2 years prior to this another premium mountain bike stolen after a burglary! chained indoors! gone! on broad daylight while normal people where at work! one of the fancier areas of upper St gilles that was. premium bikes are just not safe. it makes criminals very motivated to take risks and do lots of effort,and no lock will save you from that is what i learned
@@FreezingFroggie no lock is safe against an angle grinder. So it's just a matter of locking your bike next to another bike with a lock worse than yours. That's the sad reality of it.
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I'm a locksmith...less then 2 min to cut that one .
Max 30sec....😊
You get 50% more protection with a 3 minute lock.
It doesn't matter what lock you have. If someone wants your bike and has more than 10 minutes alone with it. It's gone.
plus bike alarm
It's not how it works, though. While your claim is true in general, thieves usually don't want *your* bike. They want to steal bikes that they can sell while exposing themselves to minimal risk. So if your bike is harder to steal than the other ones the thieves have access to, then it will increase your chances of keeping the bike. Of course, if your bike is very valuable compared to the other ones *and* the thieves know that they can sell it then your chances go down. All in all, it's multi variate and complex and better locks definitely improve your chances.
Not with Abus Granit 2500 ;)
Try hiding a GPS tracker on it. That'll work unless they have aluminum foil paper...
Fits perfectly on my electric scooter, no noise, tight fit and well worth the money I paid. Use it when I nip in the shop. (Even the key has a little light on it to see the keyhole in the dark, ffs! 😂 It's a great German design and best lock I ever bought). Nothing is going to withstand a prolonged angle grinder attack, so you're overlooking all the benefits of this item, of which it has many)
Excellent reply! This Mon thinks every thieving scroat marches around with a industrial angle grinder. 😂 This lock will keep most urban tea leafs at bay. No lock is foolproof. Where there's a will there's a way. Excellent lock. & Works well for me. I'm like a rottweiler though. Pie shop. paper shop. Etc. My bike is watched it's within my line of sight. I never ever leave it unattended. 28 Years & not one incident. I've caught em. At it. Doing a recce. Weighing it
Exactly
I think the best use case of these foldable locks is that they are far more resistant to the bolt cutter, and they are, and the bold cutter is still the weapon of choice for most bike jackers, Id say even now less than 10% of them will actually carry a grinder.
They also twist well when thieves try to break the lock by yanking and twisting the whole bike.
@@johnpsyclex147 I don't own a bike, and no lock is unbreakable. For locking up a Zero 10X whilst I run in the shops for 3mins it's perfect
Coming from the point-of-view as a cycle tourer - the bike is going to be locked up on a campsite. You need to get a lock around random objects like fence posts and trees. U-lock doesn't work here and (hopefully) people aren't tooled up with angle grinders on campsites. So I have one, on the basis that's it's better than a cable. Also nice that it folds up and you can put it somewhere out the way on the frame, as you've got bottle mounts and other lugggage to deal with. I can see however, that it's not the best lock in an urban setting.
Breaking a lock is always a matter of time. With a circular saw it is very noisy and still takes a bit. With a nut splitter it takes quite a while and it can damage you and/or the bike when it breaks. I think the bordo is quite a good compromise being compact but not quickly cut with a bolt cutter. This not a lock to leave a 5000 EUR bike with over night at the station (none is) but very much good enough to leave the 1000 EUR bike outside when going shopping. I think you should put things a little more into perspective here.
and i think, he should tell us witch abus Bordo he has.
I agree 100%. And is this guy actually promoting not locking your bike up against an immovable object because it is easier to cut it with a circular saw if it is?
The main thing a bike lock protects against is the opportunists.
If a bike is completely unlocked, someone will just ride away on it.
If a bike is locked with the worlds safest lock, but not locked to an immovabe object, someone will just carry the bike away.
Sure, someone can bring out big powertools and grind the locks away, but that is far less of a risk. Depending on where the bike is, it could be an non-existinf risk.
And yes, picking the lock is just as viable as breaking it. In some situations, it could be faster and more discrete, given the right tools.
There is always a tradeoff between weight, compactness, price and security. This lock seems decent for what it is. There are many many worse locks.
like i posted here already, this lock got me a very nice 2000€ bike stolen in less then 4 min i was getting a sandwich in a shop.
there are truly people walking around with these kind of tools. again not even safe for such a small time in daylight
@@bekhele I truly believe this lock should be used combined with a U-LOCK, so they both can delay more the thieves or protect the wheels. One friend found his foldable lock sliced like yours, but the u-lock was intact attached to the bike and the pole, the bike was on the floor, it seems the thief thought it already got the bike by cutting the foldable lock, then he realized he will need to cut the other lock too, so he fled. This happened in Grenoble, the french capital of bike thieves.
@@ELVERTGONNE you are only confirming this lock is a piece of trash my friend
Mate, if you can cut through heavy and incredibly inconvenient U-lock in 30 seconds, then it makes zero difference what lock you're going to use, might as well use what is more convenient to carry. If this is not good for you, then what do you recommend instead? 2" thick anchor chain?
multiple ulocks might slow them down... honestly Id hope that just the noise of someone using an angle grinder should be enough to attract some attention
@@aegisgfxyou're not wrong, but even if they're in the middle of busy street, what're you (no you personally) going to do? Go approach a guy with an angle grinder? Call a police? Works, but the bike is already gone in that time.
@@Sapemies58 yeah since my original comment I have determined that no one angle grinds a bike lock in broad daylight, its one of things that only happens on youtube, its click bait. Real thieves are quiet, they are fast, and they take the bike of least resistance with bolt cutters.
@@aegisgfx the true pros use a van and hydraulic bolt croppers. I mean the tool is literally made to cut thick chains and bars. Or up another notch and the have hydraulic rebar cutter. Takes about 10s with no sound.
Like you said, all the angle grinder talk is just absolute clickbait bs.
@@Sapemies58 yep, its staged by the people who make these videos to get clicks. The odds of anyone anywhere ever catching a bike thief in the process of stealing a very is very small, yet we see thousands of videos of it happening, all of them are fake.
Still gonna buy one. It's got a ART 2 security rating and that is also what the insurance asks for bikes. Any lock can get cut/grinded with enough time.
This video failed to address the main (only?) advantage of this lock which is its ability to be used successfully as a quick, light lock when going into a store, deli, restaurant where one can keep one's eyes on the bicycle or where the away time involved is less than it takes for a thief to break the lock.
True! I am still considering buying one of these for my bike. It packs nicely in my half frame bag
@@samt.1369 hello i posted this already a few times already in this thread but please dont buy it, i had my bike stolen in less then 4 min going into a store, there are people walking with these kind of tools like the cvideo poster is saying.
a 2000€ bike, just like that, they left the lock, perfect laser cut, it had to be one of those battery driven circel cutters. again the time span i grabbed a sandiwh in a store with no que, grabbed it, payed it...and this lock was defeated and bike gone
@@bekhele What a rubbish advice ... you can cut any steel lock with those. So I guess your advice is to not buy a lock?
@@LipziG3R this one offered kess resitance then a peicecof rope,but yet its marketed as one of the strongest locks,asking preium money,2,3 times as much then much more durable locks,that is my issue with this one,not thatvits breached,but that it give less resitance,while being vastly more expensive .mycadvice is get a lock,only don't spend silly money to this overrzted gadget
@@bekhele where was this? Spain? France?
We purchased 2 and they are 5mm hardened steel plate and also have a movement alarm built in at 100db...!
Don't leave your bike in sketchy locations, try and lock them out the front where people are and well lit.
Any grinder or circular metal saw with time can destroy any lock....
PS: get decent insurance...!
Could you please try these methods to see if what you’re saying is true?
Obviously not the lock you want to use when you'll be away from your bike for too long, but perfect for long rides where you don't want to bring a heavy u-lock so its a nice deterrent for just popping into a shop real quick. Honestly if you have a nice bike you should never leave it locked outside anywhere anyway.
I use it to pop inside the shops for upto 30 mins with bike by cameras but I feel like it may as well just be stool leaning against the very chunky posts in the car park aha
I'm in the market for a lock too but I'm becoming more confused the more I research. Conclusion is that breaking ANY lock is a matter of time, tools and commitment. Casual thieves can be held of be a decent lock, but committed thieves not. Frustrating, I know. In the end it's the story of you and your friend getting chased by a bear. You don't need to outrun the bear, just outrun the friend. I guess the same applies unfortunately for locks.
In the end it's the story of you and your friend getting chased by a bear. You don't need to outrun the bear, just outrun the friend. I have never heard this expression and I LOVE IT.
@@antonip1114 It is very ugly expression. How about stopping and helping your slower friend, for both of you to drive away/distract the bear? I wouldn't want to go to a forest with a friend ready to "outrun" me, how about you? :)
@@ValleysOfSaturn
Are you going through the change?
It's a joke.
Used to prove a point. Lighten up.
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@@cheeks8112 I already made my point. Let the readers judge over.
Any lock can be cut with an angle grinder in less than a minute. This one resists bolt cutters which is preferred by most bike thieves.
there are lot of videos of random bike jackers using angle grinders, but the majority of those crack heads are still using the trusted bolt cutters because they are quiet. Only a complete psycho thief is going to pull out angle grinder and make all that noise + sparks in a public place.
@@aegisgfxdude with a angle grinder stole the an e-bike inside of a bike storage area in an apartment complex. They don’t give two shits.
@@FinnishArmy I dont believe you
@@aegisgfx my buddy literally showed me the video of the dude breaking into the bike storage at 2:30am, had a friend outside of it for lookout. He took the angle grinder to the $100 Kryptonite Evolution, took around 1-2 minutes, then he walked the Lectric 3.0 bike out. Luckily my friend took the battery, so the dick head got a 80lb e-bike with no battery. Fucking asshole of a guy he is. The apartment complex has well over 200 units, SOMEONE 100% heard that shit.
@@aegisgfx yeah, sure.. that's why most of the lock companies are making angle-grinder resistant locks, because no thief is using them.
I got one of these and today my key snapped in half and half of the key is stuck in the lock. I have to go back to town later to try and remove it. I will go with a 12 inch standard hacksaw and report back
I was unable to even scratch the steel bars with a brand new hacksaw blade. It was like trying to cut glass. Wouldn’t even make a scratch. We tried over stressing the joints and this also was in vain. My bike is still stuck in town so will have to ask a professional.
Ok so here is the third and final part of my story: I went back today with 40cm bolt cutters. They were simply too small and did nothing. You can forget cutting through the steel arms. These normal size bolt cutters made very slight indents to the surface but were no way on earth going to cut through the steel - even if it is only 4mm thick, it's just so hard. Then I went to the shop and purchased 750mm bolt cutters. These are pretty massive and heavy and with these I was able to prise apart one of the joints connecting two of the arms. In order to do this, the lock was sitting on top of a metal post to which the bike was locked. It was still extremely difficult, and I had to use all my force pulling down right at the ends of these almost 3 foot handles. The bolt cutter did not cut through so much as prise apart the two arms popping out the hardened steel rivet that allows the lock to fold. It was touch and go and I had a big audience as it was outside a coffee shop, so I had to kind of explain to everyone that I wasn't a thief! So, it is possible to break, but you need an enormous tool, or an angle grinder. But then again, look at all the D lock videos on youtube and you will see that ALL of them can be compromised with an angle grinder, so I think this review is rather harsh given my experience. I would say this is a very strong lock for all but the most determined of thieves.
Cheers.
Thank you for posting that story. I’ll buy this lock today)
I think he’s incorrectly calling an angle grinder a circular saw.
exactly
Yes, but so what? He still got his points across very well, IMO
@@mikelane1713 I thought it was a chainsaw but it doesn't matter IMO.
Circular saw or angle grinder who cares the point was made and the image was planted firmly in your mind and what about mini circular saw?
@@blakey271able what in your misguided mind thinks a circ saw is the same as an angle grinder? Because they are completely different. Clearly you play on the computer and dont play with actual power tools to not even know theres a big difference.
Think about it like this, if you are unlucky to leave your bike where a bike thief happens to be with an angle grinder. Unfortunately having a lock that takes 5 seconds or 30 seconds to cut isn't going to make much difference to the outcome as it wont deter them if you have the bike they want.
My expensive bikes I never use a lock on, I either leave with friends or take with me. I bought myself a cheap bike for riding places where I'm going to need to lock it. My lock is actually worth as much as my bike lol, that's really the only solution is having a cheap bike as they wont both trying to steal it.
You want the abus lock with the alarm attached. If someone tries to cut the lock it will set the alarm off and hopefully bring attention to the thief
Just theory but no proofs. I‘m pretty sure that you won‘t be able to crack the lock in 90sec. And professionel thiefs are able to kill almost every lock. This lock is good enough to safe your bike at public places for a few hours. All i need.
I had the light version of this and tested its strength after replacing it. I could literally break it with my bare hands by pressing down and pulling up. It was a light version of the lock, so I don’t know if this works for the heavier versions.
Nope the bordo 6000 is rated as sold secure bronze its absolute garbage
told the story before, but reitarate again, i had my bike with this lock stolen in the time span i grabbed a sandwich and payed in a store with no que... 3-4 minutes tops and the security of it failed miserably
Probably stolen by this guy with a circular saw 😂
You can cut every lock, chain or bolt if you have enough time and the right tools to cut it.
Every owner of an expensive bike has to think about were he can leave his bike alone without a high risk of getting it stolen.
Totally anecdotal, but I can only say that I haven't had a bike stolen in 7-8 years of using this lock, and had 2 stolen in the 4 years before using cable and U locks
An angle grinder is a slightly less common tool for a bike thief to carry than bolt cutters. If the bike is locked in a busy area then using an angle grinder is very high risk as it draws everyone's attention, whereas bolt cutters can be used discreetly. Therefore I believe a combination of this lock, which is highly resistant to bolt cutters, and making sure to leave it in populated areas is a good strategy if you don't want to lug a heavy chain lock around with you
For a real high end bike you would probably want to go with something less convenient, more heavy duty. But I think it's a good compromise for my £1,200 one
Always lock mine and unhook the chain from the pedals looks like someone has had a go at it and gave up never gets touched
Yeah but this version is without alarm. The new versions have alarms sensors and it will start to scream if you will start to even touch it.
Abus Bord o 6000 gone with my bike in Berlin, , what do you think of combination of Abus 540 ulock + frame lock ?-- what’s the reason they take the cut locks with them?
Taking the cut lock removes the evidence of any fingerprints / DNA, and an indication of which tool was used. Also it raises a tiny doubt about the owner's story. Yes an abus 540 plus a frame lock is a good combination IMO
I wish you put a link to the video where you mention the bike locks you like.
Same here, I'd love a list of recommendations
So, if you don't recommend an Abus Ulock or a foldable lock....what do you then recommend?
The Abus Granit-X PLUS - the steel seems denser than other u-locks, and it's not massively heavy like those Kryptonite chains...
Bought this Abus lock and use it only when go into town for a short while. The alarm is why I bought it.
This video is rubbish, how does he come up with the actual steel being only 2mm? I measured mine, with the plastic coating it is 7mm thick, if you remove the plastic the actual steel is 5mm as advertised!
still what he says is true, wit ha circle disk you cut like butter trough it, i got my bike stolen with this lock under 3-4 min i jumped into a store.it was a perfectly cut. so yeah i experienced this video is absolutely anything but rubbish
@@bekhele this is anecdotal evidence at best, a one-of recount, not true scientific proof ; yes, it happened to you (I guess?), but that doesn't mean is is a standard occurring instance, based on this anecdotal evidence, you can be hold liable by the company for damaging their credibility
@@johaniojo well that anecdotal evidence was my reality, i dont see why it could not be other people's reality?
based on the clean cut in this short amount of time ( they left the lock) it had to be with one of those easy portable battery driven circle cutters.
and so since it happened, meaning, you evidentially do have criminals wandering around having these kind of tools tools just at hands.
it was a very nice fancy premium carbon MTb valued over more then 2000€!
as you can understand after such an experience i can not recommend this product.
i kid you not, went in a store, grabbed a sandwich ,no queue,just payed...bike gone.
this is one of the most expensive of the abus locks , but as i experienced,"anecdotal" its an expensive overpriced over marketed piece of trash.
but you will probably know it all better in your extensive experience...
Anyone can see that these folding locks are crap, they are thin metal with points that are vulnerable. Treat them like cable lock only very quick stops as s secondary lock but never a main one. As Powered tools will get through them in seconds
The protective covering is 1.5 mm on each side, leaving just 2 mm for the steel blades. That's only 1/8 of an inch.
There is another version of this lock with an alarm that will warn you if someone is tampering with the lock or the bike.
Good to point out the various potential issues with this type of lock.
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The major benefit with this type of lock is that they are great for its portability and mounting on the bicycle.
I find that this type of lock is a decent second lock - that you can use e.g. to lock the front wheel to the bicycle frame. It will at least be much better than a cable lock, whilst still being very portable.
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I think that using a good U-lock on the back wheel / frame and one of these folding locks to secure the front wheel is a good combination.
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cheers
JB
Thanks but what would you recommend?
Abus granit X plus 540 - check the link in the description
I have two alarms on my bike. I had one then bought a tail light combo. So they can be cutting while two seperate alarms are going off. I don’t think so.
Lost my bike that had one of those on it. The the Bordo alarm. It was parked under my window at the office and thought that would give me ntice so that I could rush downstairs. The technique they used is to grab a seat post from another bike to use as a lever and simply twist the lock until it breaks.
My 2 bikes got stolen from home, 1 ebike and 1 mtb. I used long wire based lock, i know i know they can be cut with simple cutter, learned my lesson. I got into my car and roamed around vancouver, and was able to find my ebike lol. Still missing 1 i guess it's gone forever. Was going to buy this lock i thought let's do youtube search 1st. Guess i will go for u lock or something better. Thanks for the video.
Think you're missing the point of the lock. It's better than a cable (wire cutters), less than a U lock (angle grinder). It's for low value / low risk IMHO. If you secure a £5k e-bike with this, then good luck. You'll need it!
cable lock 2/10, foldable lock 8/10, ulock 9/10. nothing will ever be 10/10
@@aegisgfx8/10 for a lock that doesn’t take up a lot of space. That’s really worth it lol
I worked here its bs. In arizona under the hot sun these locks become warped. Orders are shipped out weeks late. Confusion in all areas assembly sales and warehouse has no clue on how to use scan guns.
I use the bordo lite lock on my daughers bike because it's easy and you will need heavy gear to break it. With heavy gear every lock can be broken in seconds. You advise buying the Abus Granit X PLUS U-lock, but this lock is expensive. Do you know which lock to buy in the 60 euro price range?
Hello! One of the older Kryptonite Evolution series 4 model U-locks are exactly 60 euros, with a cable to thread through the wheel or under the seat. You could add a framelock over the back wheel too for 10 - 30 euros : amzn.to/3EGTbOW
@@TheCheapBikeChannelthanks, the kryptonite locks are good. But i ordered an abus ivera 7210 two days ago for 46 euro.
Compromise between a cable lock & U lock. Will stop small to medium bolt cutters, unlike cable.
Abus locks are great if they are high level, but some can dissapoint
these are for quick park outside a shop and this at it's weight and compactness is perfect for that
if you leave a bike in a remote area where someone can come with a loud grinder and noone cares nothing will prevent it from being stolen
imo anything that requires an angle grinder and cannot be snipped with a pocket 7" wire cutter is ok for a 10min shop visit
very unlikely someone will steal it if it requires 2 minutes of loud grinding to get through
Thanks a lot. You saved me from a not-so-good buy. What do you think about the Kryponite counterpart of those Abus ? At least, they come with their ATPO eligibility.
Hello! Yes ATPO is a good idea, though slightly cynical that a person has to pay again to register the lock - the locks are already quite expensive. The Fahgettaboudit is a good model, though pretty heavy, and I think perhaps more appropriate for motorbikes or mopeds, where you can carry it easier in the top box or under the seat. I think the Abus Granit X U-locks are better that the Kryptonite U evolution locks.
I don't know about Brussels, but in the US the name of the game is... make your bike look harder to steal than the next guy's. Most people have never SEEN this lock here, and so they move on to one that they know how to cut, and that they know how long it will take to cut. Also we don't lock up $5k bikes here. My commuter cost $500 and my mountain bike goes into the car and into my house. It doesn't get locked up outside anywhere. The lock is incredibly convenient as you said, because you can lock up to all manner of fixed objects, from fences to trees to light poles. And mine is the combo lock, so I don't have to bother with keys. It's always on my bike. I too would like to see a video where you cut one. Abus might even be willing to send you one for just that reason.
Szyfrowe zamki to cicha zabawa w szukanie odpowiedniego kodu otwarcia. Lubię rozbrajać takie zamki w chwilę... to zabawki, dodatkowe ułatwienie bez kluczy...
Horses for courses. It’s not going to stop someone outside with an electric saw but it will stop an opportunist from nabbing a Brompton from a luggage rack just as the train doors are closing.
Why didn't you open it if it's so simple?
Actually a cable lock is worse as it takes less than 5secs to snip a cable lock. This lock is still better than a cable but I wouldn't trust it.
these foldable locks are like and 8/10 compared to ulock 9/10 compared to cable lock being 2/10, so Id say they are close to being as good as ulock, but nothing is 10/10 cuz anything can be cut
true story! lost my key chain, took me less then 30 seconds to cut the steel. I used a cordless DeWalt angle grinder
almost no bike jackers want the massive noise and sparks from an angle grinder, 99% of them are looking for the easy steal and they'll use the super quiet good old bolt cutters.
Aren’t all lightweight locks easy to break? How about breaking this if it’s so easy?
they are easy to cut, but almost no one carries a grinder, they make too much noise, thieves want to be fast and quiet as possible
Which model is at the end of this video, any clue?
Its redicolous to have ppl bs-ing about how save a lock is, regarding to a power tool... there are none. Theses locks are not ment to hold a anglegrinder attack xD
But i know the large ABUS X-Plus withstand a large bolt cutter.
Circular saw breaks u-locks just as easily.
About the folding lock's 5mm: You did not mention WHICH model you talk about. Anyway, that's the thickness. The width is much larger. Both together determine the time to break it via circular saw. So you compare apples with oranges when comparing it with a circular cross-section.
Moreover, just claims without any demonstrations in this video. Talk is cheap.
NO LOCK provides 100% security ... except the big model from Hiplok which cost 300 euros so what are the good alternatives around 100-150 euros? of course having 2 locks instead of one to increase a bit the time for the thief but still...
2:09 yep. I 1000% agree. All those links are twice the advantage for a thief.
2:31 forget about handiness. If the lock is a pain to put on AND it's strong? It's going to be a pain to get off!
4:02 I'm interested in that now
Clearly not the lock you want to use for areas that require higher security but my local cafe in a bike shop doesn't attract people with bolt cutters and angle grinders.
Very Very informative man. Thanks!
So break it open?
Just some corrections, so we're on the same page ;-)
It is not not an Circular Saw", but an Angular Grinder, Disc grinder, Side grinder or a Flex...
And the folding Abus is not 2 mm thick, the steel is more like 4 - 5 mm thick... And Yes it's only a matter of time to cut through steel-locks.
Otherwise we need a whole another approch with e.g. boobytrapped locks with explosives to make it less attemting to steel other persons bikes. But Eouropes society have grown way too weak against the often more harsh immigrations boys
The Germans have a saying too: If an Aldi-Flex can't make it, then use a Makita-Flex ;-)
(In Germany and Denmark we had Aldi-stores sometimes with cheap handtools)
What is best for budget?
A Claymore mine
You recommend the abuse Granit which only has 13mm hardened steel. That's not enough, would even call this enough to be cut with a huge and good bold cutter, not even a angle grinder. If you are talking about a REALLY secure lock you need some for 200€+ protected and hardened against angle grinders. But non the less, they will still be cut and your bike will get stolen
Hello! Yes but when you try and use "huge and good" bolt cutters in the street, people punch you, or call the police, or both =)
@@TheCheapBikeChannel Answer to both of you: Your correct with the square shackle, at the time I wasn't sure if this would help.
And I definitely hope people would do something, because here is the catch: Most people ignore someone using tools to break a lock, seen in many videos on youtube or in my city, where the thief's are not scared of taking bikes at busy places. They are not even scared to use angle grinders, which are wayyyy louder and should catch anyone's attention.
Maybe electric bolt cutters would do the job, but they seem to fail against hardened steel bigger than 16 mm.
Anyway, stay save💪
yo what if I use the folding lock with a combination of a u lock. My bike is 300 dollars so I also don't want to spend too much on a lock. so with the 2 locks, it should be under 100 dollars.
Both of those locks sound easy to break. It depends where you are leaving the bike. Probably it would be better to buy one high quality lock like the Abus Granit X Plus, with a cable going through the other wheel to stop it being removed.
@@TheCheapBikeChannel yeah figured it was easy to break. Will buy a squire d16 now lmao
1. Many accuse him of not backing up his claims. His fault goes the other way: that a 16mm U-lock would last longer than 30s-60s. There are numerous videos on UA-cam showing bicycle locks being cut open. The only advantage of a (good) U-lock is that one has to make 2 cuts and then you may need 60 seconds (with the bad ones you simply turn the shackle to the side).
2. In the event of organized theft, neither folding locks nor U-locks are of any use. Only good against occasional thieves (e.g. junkies) who roll away an unlocked bike (and may still have string cutters). There were already reports of children's gangs with a cheap battery flex.
3. The calculation with the cracking time often doesn't add up either, because passers-by just keep walking (at least in cowardly Germany; there are reaction tests with simulated theft attempts).
4. Due to the inflexibility of a U-lock you are much more likely to put your bike out of sight and that is a lot worse than buying 30 seconds more time.
Terrible review. This is a perfect lock for bikepacking. I’m never far away from my bike and so this stops opportunist thieves. Its handy as it folds up and is compact. Yes I wouldn’t lock my bike up with it overnight in the middle of London but then again most locks can be cut with an angle grinder so it’s a moot point anyway.
They are terrible locks u lock or chain lock is the only one people should buy!
please show us a lock that you cant cut with angle grinder.
Just because I sometimes get confused by marketing, is the Abus Granit Bordo a different and (hopefully) improved version of the Abus Bordo?
Or is it the same exact thing?
Granit is impruved
yes it is, but its still rubbish, i' posted it more in this thread, but i got my bike stolen withing just minutes i was quickly in and out of a shop.... the very best granit bordo, cut like a laser beam with one of these circle cutters...don't buy it!
@@bekhele "circle cutters" what are you talking about?
Full of opinions with no facts to back it up look elsewhere for advice on locks
Well written advice! Because my Abus has done well for me, except when I wanted to change the code after a year. Highly functional, it would be great to have a 4 fold. The trifold is a little short.
I got my bike stolen exactly like he described, breaking the link joints..
💯💯💯💯💯
Bought this lock at the bike shop with a 10% discount and a this is the best lock on the market sales pitch.. brand new ebike was stolen last night.. 3 weeks into it 😢.. wish I watched this video before hand!
Sorry to hear that Vino, next time try an Abus Granit X PLUS U-lock: amzn.to/3eG8A7o
thank you for your information. listening to someone with a valid argument can avoid a lot of future damage.
I'm glad I found you. I just got that lock earlier today but a slightly different version with 1" (2.5cm) links instead of the longer one you showed, but that doesn't fix its flaws.
Wouldn't two adjustable wrenches break them at the hinge rivets?
I thought that too, but the teeth of the wrench keep slipping off when you try and twist them
Great solution as I got a Brompton
Locks are for when you leave your bike alone while grocery shopping so someone just doesn’t jump on and leave unnoticed. If you leave your bike outside where someone can be alone with it for more than 10 minutes it’s gone, no matter the lock.
I’m buying this lock because it works well enough, but I’m not stupid, ofc someone can break it if I let them.
Do you have an analysis of the bike locks Action sells?
Hello! No - but the ones I saw look quite generic - is there a specific type there?
@@TheCheapBikeChannel honestly no. I have a chain from there and another from a bike shop that I bought my current bike. I'm quite sure both are not a challenge to a good bolt cutter, so I was just curious if you had more reviews. In general, thank you for your advise. I will have two different lockers in my bike now to give thiefs incentive to target the bike next to it and not mine.
Good advice , i have a top of the range Riese & Muller supercharger e-bike which came with that lock . a very expensive bike with a cheap lock never makes sense , I back it up with a Litelok gold
Hopefully I can do a video one day testing a Litelok Gold =)
If this LiteLok Gold is what I think it is the Lock Picking Lawyer cut it through in 16 seconds with a steel cable cutter! 😜
Yes but surely it has the alarm with it as well. All the videos of thar bike I looked at it has an alarm built onto it.
Locks are for bike thefts that are not planned.. so your locks should be strong enought to withstand theft without any tools.. If thief have tools.. it’s game over.. nothing stops angel grinder..
Great demonstration
What is the 'circular saw ' that is used to cut such a device ? I have a DeWalt angle grinder thinking that me the tool for the job ,which i use to cut off the ends of bolts and nails, so can you enlighten me what circular saw have i been missing?
There are 3 types of thief: no tools; small tools; big tools. This lock is good for the first two and no lock is good for the third.
This grade of lock helps with insurance claims, that's enough of a reason for me to buy it
insurance for a bike is a dumb idea, you'll pay 400/year for it and buy the time its stolen you will have spend more than the cost of the bike, then if you do make a claim they'll jack the rte up to 800/year making it even more useless. insurance is a 100% scam
Does it come Assembled
Yes - and folded up.
I have no clue how you cut a U lock in 90 seconds using a circular saw. in my opinion it's impossible, not even in a week. I didn't watch the video, anyways... If you used an angle grinder it's another story. but a circular saw? hmmm.... I'm confused o.O
One Zero: He obviously made a small error and meant to say angle grinder instead of circular saw.
so what hte f should we use then?
food for thought,I got a riese and muller cargo bike to do the school run on,when my wife was collecting it,she bought one of these locks,luckily I live in a small town where bike thieves aren't much of a problem.However a 6k bike might tempt somebody.....will look into a more suitable lock for peace of mind after seeing your video
I completely disagree with this guys video. First, those types of locks are fine for going out for a cruise with a friend. It’s not like I’m parking my 10k Ruffian ebike out in front of a mall and going in to shop for an hour. Let’s face it any lock can be cut, no matter what you pay for it. All a lock does is keep the good guys from taking your bike.
I literally bought one for $100+ I had a feeling it was a bad idea. I should have listened to my gut.
Stealing a horse used to be punishable by death; I think we should bring that back and apply it to cars and bikes, too. The easier a crime is to accomplish, the harsher the punishment should be, because the rewards far outweigh the risk for bike thieves.
YES - I thought about this too, the bike (or horse) actually aids the thief in escape, by providing them with a quick getaway...
sure dude.
i always carry a circular saw with me.
and a car battery.
and a high power laser.
and other unimaginable things when i search for stuff wich were left behind for more then 24h.
you clearly have no experience with your 100$ bikes back in your garage ;^) no offense
I think that the point is that if you are leaving the bike in an area where there are professional thieves that make a good living stealing bikes then this bike lock won’t be good, but if you are in an area where there are only causal thieves or opportunists then this should fare well as long as you’re not gone for too long, preferably also better if it’s in your line of sight.
I got my 2000 euro carbon MTB stolen exactly like that, this same lock, while i was not even for 5 minutes in a store getting a sandwich, someone with a battery driven circle cutter appeared to be standing close and left the lock with a perfectly clean cut...i kid you not this was in perhaps 3-4 minutes.
we live in a world you do have people walking around with these kind of tools, i learned it the hard way
@@bekhele sounds like they already knew you and your bike man, its hard to believe people have such random luck, running around with professional tools to steal bikes on first opportunity.
i had a decision to make, when i needed a new lock.. buy a new one for decent price and risk some pro with a nutsplitter or other tool breaking your exact mechanism of security, or just get a lock to "scare" those away who dont carry tools with them... i decided to watch over my bike where ever i go and only leave my bike alone when i leave it in a well populated area while im shopping so they dont dare
@@Liqweed1337 nope, this was an area i rarely came, i came back from a stroll, friday afternoon nearing rush hour so many people actually on the streets. jumped in and out the shop and bike gone, lock left behind.
my theory is first of all that was a bike that truly looked premium, i believe that makes potential thieves motivated to take risks since the reward is potentially high. and second i truly had the most unfortunate luck in the universe, either i locked my bike coincidentally right under the nose of someone with such equipment or, by coincidence someone past by coincidence right after i left it behind him having these tools on him.
how it also be, it was bad misfortune for me.
and again i was doing a long stroll across a channel far away from home, there was no following me or this was not an area people where aware me having this bike or coming there regularly.
my biggest lessen learned is i never cycle on an expensive premium bike anymore in the city, only dirt cheap unattractive second hand. my premiere bike is only for outside of the city.
this is btw my second premium bike stolen, first one was after a burglary, just came to pick it up inside. in that case however i was convinced they followed me and knew where they needed to be.
so i have one stolen when safe inside, and one nt having left even 5 minutes behind both with great locks...
if pro's with good equipment want your bike, its gone.
like i said for me the only prevention is to make the incentive lesser rewarding for them. chances are much smaller they'll take these high risks, high efforts for non premium bikes.
anyway i whish you the best of luck!
@@bekhele holy shit, sounds scary to ride the premium bike in town cause you literally had bad luck as it seems...
Definately will keep your story in my back-mind for sure
What bike lock you recommend? THANKS.
Hi - this one: Abus Granit X PLUS U-lock: amzn.to/3EkYDmF
The problem isn't that you can open these with big tools. The problem is that no one cares about persons using angle grinder in the city centre at lunchtime. Thieves can be so brazenly obvious and get away with it most of the time.
Have you tested the FoldyLock Forever ?
No - but I've used one for a few days - it was big and bulky, I ended up carrying it in a front basket. I wasn't a fan =)
LockPickingLawer said it's a good lock. So I have one.
Honestly, nothing is gonna protect you from someone with a grinder and a cutting wheel (what you are calling a circular saw, but it isn't)
Don't compare cutting time with angle grinders because they are rarely used. Less than 1% of thieves would use such a loud power tool. They are mostly using no tool, hammer, snips or bolt cutters. Bolt cutters can be hidden, quiet and can get the job done pretty quickly. I was thinking of getting a folding lock but I will pass. Do not forget that these 3mm link is just one cut and then you grab the bike. With the u-lock, a thief needs to cut twice so cut through like 13-16mm hardened steel and another cut of 13-16 mm hardened steel.. total 26-32mm hardened steel.... It appears the steel of these folding locks is a weaker steel as well. Hardened steel vs steel vs alloy steel? Pretty much you are trading off security for portability, carry convenience, light weight and cool style with these folding locks. One may take the gamble with a cheap bike or use this lock for real quick stops or locking up by a window while for a quick meal in safe neighborhood. I always use my kryptonite standard ny u-lock for my more expensive bikes but I also use a onguard pitbull mini u-lock with my commuting bikes. I also use a cable for front wheel. Update: I bought a folding lock. Received it yesterday. I know it is less secure than my kryptonite ny standard u-lock for my expensive bikes and onguard mini pitbull u-lock for my cheaper hybrids but I can't stand riding with a backpack with a u-lock with my road bike. I am sacrificing some security for more comfort, lock weight reduction, more open locking space and a sleek compact cool style. I can ditch the backpack for a waist bag. I do lock up in a low bike theft area and in front of a window with other bikes. I see $1000-$1500 bikes locked up with cables and they aren't stolen so it gives me more peace of mind that my bike would be safe. People ride ebikes and lock it up with flimsy cable locks at my gym. I also have a bike alarm too that is ear bleeding loud. If I lived in NYC or San Francisco, I wouldn't ever use a folding lock. I would never ride my expensive bikes there. I am taking a risk. I have always used u-locks for all my life. If I instead used a combination cable lock and never gotten my bikes stolen, I wouldn't be surprised. I ride in a low bike theft area. Definitely not a high theft city or campus.
I'm glad to hear you were able to weigh the pros and cons of the lock and make a decision with your own situation in mind rather than taking a reviewer's word verbatim. I use a Bordo Granit X Plus as a secondary lock for my ebike in a high bike theft city; the primary one is a Hiplock D1000, the tertiary one is a Kryptonite Kryptolock standard, and I've replaced every nut with security nuts and filled every allen key'd screw with security stoppers. Not a replacement for proper lockup habits This thing is my pride and joy and the most expensive thing I own right now, and if it disappeared I would be absolutely devastated.
Anyway, the actual reason I wanted to comment: Be careful with assuming the thief needs two cuts on every U-lock. Lower end ones are NOT double-shackled; they only lock on one side. The thief only needs to make one cut and the other side just falls out.
Be safe!
@AfrinonM Yea. I would never use any single bolt u-lock with a crow foot as they tend to be using weak metal. One cut. Even some lesser name brand u-locks with dual bolt can be cut once and be bent because the metal is weak. I have a quad bolt onguard mini pitbull u-lock and kryptonite NY standard u-lock. I eventually got folding locks and I know they are weaker but I use it on my scooters. I can't use a u-lock or chain lock for my scooters. A thin chain lock could work but i would rather use a folding lock. No way I am carrying a u-lock or heavy chain lock for my scooters. I can get away with some security because I am in a low theft neighborhood and not high theft city or campus. If I were in the city, I am using my kryptonite NY standard u-lock or NY Cinch chain lock all the time.
Was about to buy this lock, thanks very much for the heads up.
Its rare to steal bikes with circular saws, theyre to loud they mostly use bolt cutters.
He's talking from the perspective of a prepared and knowledgeable bike thief which are rare, and not opportunists but aim for bikes they know will be in a location. Folding locks are not for long term .
I've been riding this bike for about a month ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxwC0IIeIomGQVeBWg-kKJaToZkLEFIA2W and a half now and I think it's fantastic. It helps me get to work on time every day since I'm able to fit it inside of public transportation rush hour. The price is great too, people are always shocked when they ask me how much I paid for the fold up and I tell them "200". It's easy to fold and installation when it ships is insanely easy. All you have to install when the bike arrives is one foot pedal, everything else is done for you. I do recommend you carry some sort of wrench to tighten any loose screws on the handle bar and seat whenever they get a little bit loose. Other than that I think it's a fantastic bike. Easily fits in the home, can fit inside a car trunk and can even fit in subway rush hour.
when will they make a U lock that has a chemical inside when you cut it , like skunk odor lol
YEAH! Or that paint which explodes in bags of cash =)
@@TheCheapBikeChannel the odor would be great on the Villain , the paint is actually a good idea, dye for the police would be smart
Skunklock already exists
If they want your bike no lock will prevent them. Some are definitely easier than others!
It is only good to lock the front wheel
You mean an angle grinder not circular saw mate but I wouldn’t consider one of these to begin with.
I had a Schwinn cruiser that I left on my porch unlocked to see if it would get stolen (it did and I was surprised and pissed - yeah, I'm stupid). Took about a month. All security depends on your location and your local asshole criminals. I was in suburban Houston, Texas (cars not bikes). I'd imagine any bike centric big city (not Houston) would be a problem - London, Brussels, San Francisco, New York.
yep im one of those, getting a very nice carbon 2000€ MTB stolen with this lock in just the time span i got myself a sandwich in a shop, truly just minutes.
they left the lock, it was clearly done by one of those circle cutters regarding the clean cut.
this locks are expensive and marketed as safe, but its horse crap.
the viedo poster is right you absolutely do have people walking around with these kind of tools
Sorry to hear that! Thanks for your comment though - important for other people to know how quick this can happen. Wishing positive karma your way.
@@TheCheapBikeChannel happened last year, even tough painful i got quickly over it, there are worse things in life then material loss.
you are from Brussels you say? well it happened by all coincidence in anderlecht! this city is a plague in this regard! i had 2 years prior to this another premium mountain bike stolen after a burglary! chained indoors! gone! on broad daylight while normal people where at work!
one of the fancier areas of upper St gilles that was.
premium bikes are just not safe. it makes criminals very motivated to take risks and do lots of effort,and no lock will save you from that is what i learned
I worked there they have no tests at all for heat in Germany. Go with a masterlock stop funding germany
Which is recommended then? I've heard U-locks are secure but very inconvenient to carry
@@FreezingFroggie no lock is safe against an angle grinder. So it's just a matter of locking your bike next to another bike with a lock worse than yours. That's the sad reality of it.
Show a video of you breaking it 😂 that way we can actually see how easy it is to break