this is the funniest comment I've ever read, ever let alone youtuber specific I am still laughing as I write this comment and I've been laughing for the duration of the video XD
A cat(a-pult) launching weapon. . . . . Hmmmmm. Trouble is, mine tends to hang around my neck if I am on a computer. (When she has finished e-mailing her friends that is!). I have enough 'stripes' already :-(
I was never in the zone of danger... but I have a few videos planned for which I still am considering the safety protocol. These types of attacks store enormous amounts of potential energy... true bone breaking force!
A full face shield is very useful around the shop. I wear Jackson shields (any welding supply or online) and they would be ample but you might like one of the more modern style Uvex shields. I even wear one using a Dremel (because Dremel wire brush strands and cutting disk fragments fly off a high velocity!). A heavy coat or jacket (motorcycle jackets work well, I use my old ones for welding outdoors) will slow down fragments. You are correct to be cautious! My friend "shot" himself in the shoulder with a lock shackle fragment when using a cold chisel. Went in about 1/4"! He was wearing a T-shirt.
LockPickingLawyer I have to question the feasibility of doing such an attack in position though, here you have it in a vice and can easily stay out of the line of fire. In the real world how you deploy the lock largely effects how secure it is. For instance on your local bike rack/ streetlight your in a more public space you need to shield what you're doing from prying eyes so you could open the lock in this way but your gambling on the head coming off. I can tell you from industry that we don't use nut splitters to remove nuts and bolts because of this danger if its not backing off with an impact/ impact sockets and penetrating oil we cut the bolts mostly with a torch so that the metal gets to stress relieve as were removing it. What it shows is that these types of locks are vulnerable to this no matter how sturdy but compromising the lock in this way can be incredibly dangerous. If a person is willing to risk life/limb to steal a bike then there's really not a whole lot your gonna be able to do to stop them. I guess the next move if your making this type of lock would be to increase the rivet size by a few mm leave the core how it is and coat the rivets in a ceramic coating that fragments more, then again what you've created there could be classified as a booby trap and would be illegal.
realistically, most bike thiefs aren't going to be able to clamp this tightly in a garage, and I don't know if they'll have the torque needed to do this. Even in a controlled envionment the chain lasted 3 minutes. In addition, this required a rivet AND a nut splitter. I think that this product is strong enough to deter most bike thiefs, who will probably chose a different bike to steal at this point.
No clamp or vise was needed. I (or anyone) could have been done in it about 5 seconds; you'd just use a cordless impact wrench instead. You could use a small handheld hydraulic nut cracker. The bigger issue would be to avoid getting shot by the flying rivet.
In Singapore we have a much better solution. We don't use bike locks. We don't lock our doors. When shops close on our mass transit, they just put black table cloths on top of the goods knowing everything will be there in the morning. Theft is almost unheard of. Why? We have extremely strict and 100% enforced immigration with heavy background checks. We have great public housing and work programs so homeless do not exist. We have mandatory death penalty for drug dealers with a 99% conviction rate, carried out within 1 year of sentencing. We have mandatory jailing, drug program, and supervised work program for addicts to make them productive self-sufficient members of society again. We have public humiliation via stripping and caning that will make it hard to sit for several months for thieves so that they are known in the community and will think twice before ever doing that again and make an example to others. Almost all citizens will report any unlawful behavior immediately to authorities that will investigate, unlike America "snitches get stitches" criminal culture. When we went to the park we would put our phones in our purses on a park bench and when done with our jog we would know the purse would still be there. Lowest crime rate city in the entire world despite 8 million population.
satanclaw this warning was issued since splitting the male genitalia will bring pain, and death from blood loss and possible sterilization of the victim's penis
Your nuts, consists of 2 parts. The Right, and the Left nut. If they are twisted together, the pain is beyond unbelievable as this will cut off bloodflow.
Given the sound reminescent of an exploding grenade and the sheer amount of time spent to break this lock i think it's safe to say the lock is pretty secure
I disagree. The thief can work undisturbed with the nut splitter because it makes basically no sound until the lock is broken. Once broken, it doesn't matter how loud the single bang is. While you (may) scramble to get up to check what this was, the thief is already enjoying his new ride.
yeah like every thief carrie's around a vise to secure the lock for work. try to do this without removing protective covering and holding it with just your hands. good luck. this is not an easy exploit ; video maker fails to meet realistic environment.
@@ryen7335 That's my thinking. No one carries a vice around, and amateur thieves are likely to not carry a nut splitter. Under most situations, this is a decent lock.
I was getting in my afternoon nap phase when I started this video, so by the time the nut splitter was tightening I was seriously on the edge of dozing off. Nearly had a heart attack when it finally popped.
@@ZRTMWA ... and just so happen to fall asleep and then be startled wake when the bolt popped?? more likely just thought you had a clever/interesting comment
@@popparock6506 considering that 1 mill people have watched this, the statistical likelihood of that is not uncommon. Even if he did make it up, who gives a shite. It's funny.
To improve the design, make one side of the rivetted link a larger diameter than the other, making it difficult to get the nut splitter wedge between the 2 links
@@johndododoe1411if one plate is larger than the other, the apex of the wedge will be difficult to center on the seam. It will be awkwardly positioned and has a further chance of sliding off instead of finding the groove, altho you might be able to modify the nut splitter by grinding the wedge into the size of the rivet itself and try to crack the rivet out of the hole. At that point, just cut the damn lock with an angle grinder or steal the whole bike rack.
This is the thing I've noticed about your videos that I like a lot. If a lock takes a few seconds to break open then your videos are super short and you don't pad them out for ten minutes. If a lock is pretty resilient then the videos are longer and I can pick and choose what I watch based on the time because I'm interested to see how easy or difficult it is to break something open. Its a honest way of making these videos so thanks. 👍
You know apart from the hiplok g1000 I'm having a hard time finding any bike law that's going to be at least somewhat of a deterrent to keep people from stealing your bike. Sure wish there was a lock out there that works it doesn't take less than 20 seconds to freaking break!😢
well, no surprise here. But for all who fear for the safety of their bikes: Locks are not about making them unstealable, its all about making the stealing process so time consuming, that the thiefs will simply look for easier prey. I secure my bike with three locks when i have to leave it somewhere public - a chain, a folding lock and a u-lock (all three top-notch). its a four thousand euro bike and it has been standing unbeaten for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week and three years now. Use pitlock for the parts (they TRIED to take my brooks, as some marks showed, but gave up^^) and take it inside at home (not the garage or shed) and you should be able to enjoy your bike until you want a new one.
Samuel Sudhof considering how much japan doesn’t like people immigrating into their country.... what are you at now, 1%? Or have you finally gotten to 2% of residents are foreign? Easy to be safe in a nice xenophobic homogenous country.
It is a Japanese cultural peculiarity. They don't put much value in used goods. That's why most used cars there are sold to exporters at auctions. I spent some time there and frequently left my moped unlocked in the passageway to my apartment building. And btw, I had no issue getting a work visa for Japan, I just had to prove I could perform a useful task.
Still a pretty effective lock considering that the nut splitter technique has the unfortunate side effect of unleashing a sonic boom which would draw quite a bit of attention.
Just curious, would it have been more effective to use a cordless impact wrench instead of a rachet? Possibly stretching the rivet faster and causing it to fail faster?
When he started clamping down on it I put my coffee mug out of jolt range... which proved to be a good idea, as I leaped a foot off the chair when it finally gave :D
How much turning force were you applying? Would you say that lock could have been held in place by hand, feet, or by wedging it in a bike rack/frame like it would be in a real bike theft situtation?
I assume getting the plastic off wasn't that much work and though it was held in a vice the nuts splitter has a square on the body to take a spanned so this is fairly easy to do in the field. Of course these aren't normal tools bike thieves carry so unless they know they are specially going after this lock they may still fail. I'm not sure the washer is actually there for any protection of the joint though, u thing that is there for spacing as the bars are too thick to press an offset in them. Th only way I can see to protect against this attach is to open up the gap so the wedge has no effect. I wounder if list of lower grade locks are better than one of this grade. Or maybe a specific lock designed for that bike which puts the week point in a hard to reach place.
@@claudej8805 Could you name the "simple tool" you have in mind? It should: 1. Be able to be held and operated with one hand while the other hand tightens the nut splitter. 2. Provide leverage and stability equivalent to a vice mounted on a work bench.
@@SourceOfWill I'm no native speaker, that's why I wasn't precise. I was thinking of a wrench on that square shape, probably one fits or make it fit (using 2 wrenches against each other). This seems doable, with the screw the leverage is high and the torque seems manageable. Before you bash me, know I'm a service technician on CNC machines. I've seen and done things. Also remember that his setup on that workbench isn't very stable and still holds easy. But now I'm wondering if my answer is stupid either way, you might just be a dumb thief.
The twisting torque of the screw mechanism is easier to apply than the enormous pressure being applied to the wedge. A pair of locking pliers on the nut splitter would be more than enough. The vice is only being used here to make the whole thing easy to see on camera, not as a necessary part of the operation.
When this kind of lock was new on the market - or at least when I first took notice of it - it looked like a really good idea, being much lighter than a chain and much more flexible than a U-Lock. But I always questioned the riveted construction - though I never knew how to efficiently defeat it. This nut splitter is a real danger I would say. It doesn’t make a lot of noise and requires almost no skill. Thanks for your great videos once again. I think I will keep my security chain bike lock - simple yet effective.
LockPickingLawyer Then what would you recommend? As I see it the rivet is vounerable as long as you can jam something in between the plates. That hardend collar did make it a bit harder but not prevent it. What construction would do the job better?
I was so rooting for the Bordo (sorry nut splitter). My heart beated, with every click of the ratchet! Heartbroken and exhausted, I need to ... go lie down, now.
+Leo Curious Have you ever tried to quit caffeine yourself? It's bloody hart. Never made it longer than 2 weeks! Also I'm in the "transform caffeine into code business", that makes quitting caffeine even harder.
I mean at this point i'd rather just bring a cordless grinder. Put Hi-vis vest, a tool belt, a helmet and some safety glasses on and anyone would think you are removing an abandoned bike.
I would like to see you do some of these exploits in real-world situations. IN your workshop you have control of the lock more but out in the word not so much. Would love to see more of that.
I would like to see this demonstrated in a "real life" scenario, where the lock is loosely dangled off a bike, and the tool is not held firm with a vise. I would imagine that an angle grinder will be more suited to this scenario.
I re watched the video and don’t believe that it would make a difference. The weak point is the rivet and the gap allowing the nut splitter to be positioned at the right angle
Hold the nut splitter with a large adjustable wrench, drop hoody over all of it to muffle sound and hide your hands. The rivet came off with lots of force and speed but it has very little mass so it wouldn't take much to contain it. If you had your hand over it you wouldn't get more than a red mark.
It would be interesting to see if anything would be different if the chain lock would break as easy if it was locked on a bike instead of being held in a vice. I happen to use the same lock on my bike and although this worries me a little of the bike disappearing I still find the test a little biased 😊
As much as I find the design of some of the locks fascinating and find myself trying to think of ways to redesign them to resist a particular type of picking I must admit that I do enjoy the brute force attacks on them. It does seems ironic though that a high end bicycle with carbon fibre components would need a very heavly lock to afford reasonable protection... love these videos, great work.
I hope to see some bolt cutter, hacksaw, and maybe even drilling tests all against the rivet as well. Would the hardened collar do much to inconvenience the bolt cutters and hacksaw? Only one way to find out!
i can tell you right now, yes hardened steel is quite hard to cut. a hacksaw would take maybe twice as long as without the ring. and you would need a full size pair of bolt cutters
What would you say is the best anti theft bike lock! Lock picking lawyer! Our town has had a rash of bike thefts, locks being snipped, pried all sorts! Thanks again!
As I was listening (decent DAC and headphones) there's a point (starts at about 4:30) where the microphone picks up a sound that I recognize as critical material-stress from back when we did material theory in school (decades ago). From the tests where we pulled metal bars until they stretched and cracked. You also see the material of the rivet start to flake a little. I am curious, did you feel a shift in tension too? You shifted the grip just after the first little crack. Thanks for the jump-scare though, the headphones really helped.
I love all your videos and have learned a great deal from them about security for my electric bike. I currently have a Pewag 3/8" chain and Viro Panzer shutter lock for it. I am now wondering if the Viro lock is vulnerable to a nut splitter attack where the chain is trapped by the lock body? Is that a test you would be willing to perform, or does your experience make that an impractical attack?
I'm an automotive technician, and I can simply explain what happened here. The nut splitter cut the rivet in a compression or slip split. What happens is, while you apply force to cut the nut, the tool stops moving in. While you apply even more force eventually cut piece (in this case the rivet) gives way sleightly, and causes the tools cutter to "jump", this sudden decompression hammers the nut just enough to cause a violent separation of the component you want cut. Hope this helps your "autopsy". Cheers Z
Still took about 2 minutes and very visible work on the bike, also, if you also have an alarm on your bike (or the lock) that would also go off. So, it's still good enough for going into the supermarket. This is more of a danger if you leave an expensive bike outside over a long period of time which is never a good idea - there are crews with MiniVans and battery charged angle grinders which will just do a short driveby and the bike is gone within minutes even with the beefiest U-locks available.
It would take longer for the thief. Take the plastic shielding off and it would be very fiddly as it wouldn't be in a vice like here and it might be awkward.
The thieves use box cutters to take that pieces off and go right to work. Some do it with under a minute without fear of getting hurt from the flying rivet.
A layered security is better than a single one off approach. This lock (or two) along with a New York fugetaboutit lock with an alarm will more than be enough. It all depends on how much time/money you want to spend.
@@denisl2760 exactly. even that huge kryptonite u-lock can be cut off in about 1 minute and that's about the best security you're going to get to brute force.
Didn't know about this tool. Thanks for showing how to break these locks. More compact than a cordless abrasive saw and much quieter and won't attract attention. I'm sure it'll be of benefit for a certain group of people. Good job.
Hello sir, thank your for the demonstration. What would you recommend for a good lock then ? I feel nothing works actually. Best locks only need 45 sec to be broken while worse ones 5 seconds. That's the only difference.
The good news: a flying bolt will probably take the thief's eye out. An eye for a bike deal. The bad news is your new bike, your pride and joy, is gone. :-(
@@mickys8065 very true. So far my bike remains unstolen. I had a few close shaves but learnt from those mistakes. Thankfully the one time they tried to steal my baby these security guards beat the shit out of the prick. God bless them. You need to know the bad areas where your bike is at risk and always lock it properly. I have my Giant bike for a year now and it's been great. I don't leave it outside for stupid amount of time.
Cops would probably find the guy easily, people getting shot by flying rivets don't overcrowd hospitals lmao, unless if the thief somehow didnt got hit by it.
Hello and thank you for the video. I am currently on the market to get a bicycle lock. In fact I was looking into the Abus Bordo Granit xplus 6500. Now I am having second thoughts! I do have a question, you put the lock on a vice. Would it be just as easy to break if floating on a bike? Also, what brand of lock would you recommend? I have no intention of leaving my bike outdoors for any long period of time. But you go through these locks pretty fast! I mean even going to the store for 5 min is risky! What are your recomendations? Thanks!
How much time did it take you to cut away the plastic cladding and was it necessary for this attack? This video honestly makes me feel pretty good about locking my bike in any well-travelled area with this lock
i may be late, but honestly, yeah. even though LPL broke the lock, he had it stuck in place where it couldn't move around. if you lock your bike up correctly, the weak point in the lock would be very loose, which would mean that if someone tries to break it, they would put their strength into simply moving the joint side to side, instead of prying it open
Got it... in order to bypass the bike lock i will need a vice, a nut splitter, a ratchet and a torch (given that i will do this at night). Thank you very much!
Video starts: Me: "Hey, I got that lock on my bike": Lawyer: "This is the undisputed champion of folded bike locks." Me: YEAHHHH! I made the right desicion." Lawyer uses Nut Splitter *loud crack* Me: "oh f***k ..."
Hey LockPickingLawyer, first of all: Thanks for your great content, I really enjoy it. 👍 Now my question(s): Do you think this attack on this particular lock would have been possible (or practical) without the bench (can you hold the lock in place with your hands while applying the force) and the plastic still on it (how easy is it to remove the plastic)? Which kind of bike lock would you recommend? Have a nice day, greetings from Germany Mike
To be fair or in this case not fair, LPL normally says in the real world this attack would be awkward to perform. I feel he was actually disappointed that the lock failed in this way. I opened the replies on this thread, hoping to see LPL had replied with what I said.
With the plastic cut away it allowed you to perfectly position the splitter. I wonder if if would have the same effect if you did not remove the plastic first?
Could you try this again, however just try to do it like a normal thief would do in a hurry, straight between the plastic and crank it down fast, im curious as to if the protective ring itself is strong enough to defeat the attack provided it ends up being what gets "squashed". Basically re-do this as if you were not aware of the protective ring, and were in a hurry to "get in and get out fast" like a thief would be in action.
Could you attack the rivet directly with the nut splitter by doing it vertically? Rather than going horizontally and indirectly? I suspect the nut splitter could cut the rivet. You could probably nibble around it until enough of one end is removed that the rivet would pop out.
It would be interesting to see a test of the new Seatylock Forever and the updated ABUS Bordo Granit 6500K. ABUS doesn't claim the rivets have been improved, but you there are "changes to the design and locking mechanism". Seatylock's promotional video shows a snippet of their lock surviving with the very same nut splitter but clearly the splitter was applied off the axis of the rivet.
Well, I did order the lock today. Based on his two videos…and the effort…did you see that vice torque and move? How about trying it on a bike locked to a bike rack….would it still work?
You mean something like the Abus Granit X Plus 540? Or would I be better off with a thick chain and padlock? But not sure which padlock / chain is the best, as you seem to get into all of them in seconds!
Vegan Dog Go for a chain that is of incredibly high carbon content. I used to chain my quad bike into the box of my truck and people were going around cutting locks and picking them off trucks. The higher the carbon content the longer it'll take an angle grinder to go through. But again eventually they will get through its about making it as time consuming as possible.
Impressive! Glad you wore eye protection not to mention full face! My question: Any idea how many foot pounds of force used to open the rivet on this chain?
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4:55 Got a click out of 1
Bloody brilliant comment!
Lmao
rofl
I literally reached 4:55 when I saw your comment the timing couldn't have been perfect 😂😂
this is the funniest comment I've ever read, ever
let alone youtuber specific
I am still laughing as I write this comment and I've been laughing for the duration of the video XD
"We were successful.. However there was a casualty." Good thing there was a lawyer around.
Spoiler bro...
@@CrazyPlayer-pf2hv you're the first person i've seen that provided evidence for being the "nth like," nice.
Omg we have a casualty, is someone here a doctor?
"Nut splitter" is the most viscerally disturbing name for a tool I've ever read.
Split them nuts
Personally, I believe that as punishment, bike thieves should have applied to their genitals, whatever tools they used to steal the bike.
i that that the tool was a nut crakker and sit like what is that for overkill for nuts
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What? I hope you’re okay after that seizure.
It crushes the testies of enemies
I wasn't expecting a jumpscare in a LPL video, damn. Between that and "The Nut Splitter" I feel like this is a halloween episode.
Since he put that much force on it i exspected a grait amount of energy to be released but that was violent.
Oh no, the Nut Cracker is a Christmas ballet. 😊
The volume on my laptop was all the way up. Thank you for launching my cat three feet in the air. I'm sure she appreciates it as much as I do.
Lol, this had me wake my neighbour up with laughter!
Grey Cortez Thanks for the heads up
A cat(a-pult) launching weapon. . . . . Hmmmmm. Trouble is, mine tends to hang around my neck if I am on a computer. (When she has finished e-mailing her friends that is!). I have enough 'stripes' already :-(
Thanks for the warning! I turned my volume down and no kitties were harmed!
Hahaha, I can just see the poor beast taking off like the cat in Tom & Jerry!
Fist video that I had genuine concern for you personal safety.
I was never in the zone of danger... but I have a few videos planned for which I still am considering the safety protocol. These types of attacks store enormous amounts of potential energy... true bone breaking force!
Uh, I think the first one with the nut splitter took out a safety goggle. Good thing he was wearing it.
i agree lmfao haah that was scared.
A full face shield is very useful around the shop. I wear Jackson shields (any welding supply or online) and they would be ample but you might like one of the more modern style Uvex shields. I even wear one using a Dremel (because Dremel wire brush strands and cutting disk fragments fly off a high velocity!).
A heavy coat or jacket (motorcycle jackets work well, I use my old ones for welding outdoors) will slow down fragments. You are correct to be cautious! My friend "shot" himself in the shoulder with a lock shackle fragment when using a cold chisel. Went in about 1/4"! He was wearing a T-shirt.
LockPickingLawyer I have to question the feasibility of doing such an attack in position though, here you have it in a vice and can easily stay out of the line of fire. In the real world how you deploy the lock largely effects how secure it is. For instance on your local bike rack/ streetlight your in a more public space you need to shield what you're doing from prying eyes so you could open the lock in this way but your gambling on the head coming off. I can tell you from industry that we don't use nut splitters to remove nuts and bolts because of this danger if its not backing off with an impact/ impact sockets and penetrating oil we cut the bolts mostly with a torch so that the metal gets to stress relieve as were removing it.
What it shows is that these types of locks are vulnerable to this no matter how sturdy but compromising the lock in this way can be incredibly dangerous. If a person is willing to risk life/limb to steal a bike then there's really not a whole lot your gonna be able to do to stop them. I guess the next move if your making this type of lock would be to increase the rivet size by a few mm leave the core how it is and coat the rivets in a ceramic coating that fragments more, then again what you've created there could be classified as a booby trap and would be illegal.
realistically, most bike thiefs aren't going to be able to clamp this tightly in a garage, and I don't know if they'll have the torque needed to do this. Even in a controlled envionment the chain lasted 3 minutes. In addition, this required a rivet AND a nut splitter. I think that this product is strong enough to deter most bike thiefs, who will probably chose a different bike to steal at this point.
I think if you were trying to do this in the wild you'd want to have a C-clamp with you for sure.
No clamp or vise was needed. I (or anyone) could have been done in it about 5 seconds; you'd just use a cordless impact wrench instead. You could use a small handheld hydraulic nut cracker. The bigger issue would be to avoid getting shot by the flying rivet.
In Singapore we have a much better solution. We don't use bike locks. We don't lock our doors. When shops close on our mass transit, they just put black table cloths on top of the goods knowing everything will be there in the morning. Theft is almost unheard of. Why? We have extremely strict and 100% enforced immigration with heavy background checks. We have great public housing and work programs so homeless do not exist. We have mandatory death penalty for drug dealers with a 99% conviction rate, carried out within 1 year of sentencing. We have mandatory jailing, drug program, and supervised work program for addicts to make them productive self-sufficient members of society again. We have public humiliation via stripping and caning that will make it hard to sit for several months for thieves so that they are known in the community and will think twice before ever doing that again and make an example to others. Almost all citizens will report any unlawful behavior immediately to authorities that will investigate, unlike America "snitches get stitches" criminal culture. When we went to the park we would put our phones in our purses on a park bench and when done with our jog we would know the purse would still be there. Lowest crime rate city in the entire world despite 8 million population.
@@BoopSnoot sounds like a nightmare
@@BoopSnoot based
0:20 “An open-ended nut splitter. As the name suggests this tool is designed for splitting nuts.”
*Covers balls*
Hahaha
The "open ended nut splitter" was going to be my finishing move if I ever became a wrestler.
🤣
Too late
"unplugged the microphone", man, I swear to everything holy that I could visualize the rivet unplugging your eye out as you tightened it...
Working on such a thing you always should wear safety glasses.
@@xXMarvBoyXx I would use full face shild AND safety glasses. And then stand in a location there I think parts will be flying.
Yeah he most likely had his eyes/face/head covered up during this one
I'm surprised he didn't have the bike lock covered with some plexiglass or something to deal with flying debris.
He dude want to buy this nice bike from me? Yes sure but holy shit man what happened to your eye?
*WARNING* please do not split your nuts
It's a lot better to have your nuts split apart than wound together.
satanclaw this warning was issued since splitting the male genitalia will bring pain, and death from blood loss and possible sterilization of the victim's penis
Your nuts, consists of 2 parts. The Right, and the Left nut. If they are twisted together, the pain is beyond unbelievable as this will cut off bloodflow.
4 nuts are better than two
I wear a cup whenever I take it out. 👍
The idea that a thief might take an eye out while attempting to steel my scooter gives me peace of mind! Thank you LPL!
That’s a pretty disgusting thing to say.
@@isabellam1936 Stealing someone else's property is far more disgusting.
The explosion is by far the funniest thing I've seen all day, it's so quiet and then out of nowhere you just hear "Bang" and the mic cuts out 😂
At the Abus factory later that day... "Scheiße! Scheiße! Scheiße! Scheiße! Scheiße! DESIGN-TREFFEN AM MONTAG!"
means: [beep] [beep] [beep] Design meeting on monday! (rofl)
Funktioniert auch freihängend ohne Schraubstock.
So people found translate.google.com. Well done.
ß is deprecated these days. Use double 's' instead.
So some asshole has to come along and spoil a joke. Well done.
Gern geschehen!
A few years from now:
[1725] 152mm APHE Tank Shell Exploit Can Open Any Lock?
If the object is to destroy the bike and not steal the bike
apfsds is a better option.
I overwhelmingly need this video
Team up with Demolition Ranch
@@electrikhan7190 I'd love to see LPL meet the Demolitia!
Given the sound reminescent of an exploding grenade and the sheer amount of time spent to break this lock i think it's safe to say the lock is pretty secure
I disagree. The thief can work undisturbed with the nut splitter because it makes basically no sound until the lock is broken. Once broken, it doesn't matter how loud the single bang is. While you (may) scramble to get up to check what this was, the thief is already enjoying his new ride.
yeah like every thief carrie's around a vise to secure the lock for work. try to do this without removing protective covering and holding it with just your hands. good luck. this is not an easy exploit ; video maker fails to meet realistic environment.
@@ryen7335 That's my thinking. No one carries a vice around, and amateur thieves are likely to not carry a nut splitter. Under most situations, this is a decent lock.
@@billigerfusel until someone confuses the sound with a gunshot and you got armed cops pursuing you for stealing a bike
The sound is no where close to that of a grenade. I threw two of them and you can hear from a long distance.
I never thought I'd get a jump scare from a Lock Picking Lawyer episode.
*"Open-Ended Nut Splitter"*
Sounds like my ex
Thank you Arthur
ᚨᚱᚦᚢᚱ ᛞᚢᛗ geez
my sides
omg
I was getting in my afternoon nap phase when I started this video, so by the time the nut splitter was tightening I was seriously on the edge of dozing off. Nearly had a heart attack when it finally popped.
SUUURE you were....
@@popparock6506 What's so unbelievable? That someone would lay down and watch a UA-cam video at the same time? Lol
@@ZRTMWA ... and just so happen to fall asleep and then be startled wake when the bolt popped?? more likely just thought you had a clever/interesting comment
@@popparock6506 considering that 1 mill people have watched this, the statistical likelihood of that is not uncommon.
Even if he did make it up, who gives a shite. It's funny.
tbh every other video i watch i'm in a half-asleep mode lol
LPL: "As the name suggests, this tool is used for splitting nuts..."
Me: 0_0
LPL: "...that are seized to bolts."
Me: Phew.
Albus' nuts got split.
@@WetaMantis dumbledore?
To improve the design, make one side of the rivetted link a larger diameter than the other, making it difficult to get the nut splitter wedge between the 2 links
@Outlaw JEDI 'There are no problems, only solutions!' 😁
Brilliant.
How would that help against this tool forcing the two plates apart until the rivet breaks?
@@johndododoe1411if one plate is larger than the other, the apex of the wedge will be difficult to center on the seam. It will be awkwardly positioned and has a further chance of sliding off instead of finding the groove, altho you might be able to modify the nut splitter by grinding the wedge into the size of the rivet itself and try to crack the rivet out of the hole. At that point, just cut the damn lock with an angle grinder or steal the whole bike rack.
Looked like the rivet tried to take out the camera. Didn't want any witnesses. 😂
😂
I really hope you were wearing some kind of eye protection for this.
I chuckle every time he says open ended nut splitter.
Me too...
thats what she said.
Reminds me of my ex.
Hey, some people are really into that kind of thing.
-cbt-
Thank you, locking lawyer for the wonderful educational video and I hope that you didn’t sustained any injuries while trying to open this lock.
This is the thing I've noticed about your videos that I like a lot. If a lock takes a few seconds to break open then your videos are super short and you don't pad them out for ten minutes. If a lock is pretty resilient then the videos are longer and I can pick and choose what I watch based on the time because I'm interested to see how easy or difficult it is to break something open. Its a honest way of making these videos so thanks. 👍
You know apart from the hiplok g1000 I'm having a hard time finding any bike law that's going to be at least somewhat of a deterrent to keep people from stealing your bike. Sure wish there was a lock out there that works it doesn't take less than 20 seconds to freaking break!😢
Lock not law😂
well, no surprise here. But for all who fear for the safety of their bikes: Locks are not about making them unstealable, its all about making the stealing process so time consuming, that the thiefs will simply look for easier prey. I secure my bike with three locks when i have to leave it somewhere public - a chain, a folding lock and a u-lock (all three top-notch). its a four thousand euro bike and it has been standing unbeaten for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week and three years now. Use pitlock for the parts (they TRIED to take my brooks, as some marks showed, but gave up^^) and take it inside at home (not the garage or shed) and you should be able to enjoy your bike until you want a new one.
Or you could save time by moving to Japan. Even expensive bikes here are locked with something a mouse could chew through.
Samuel Sudhof considering how much japan doesn’t like people immigrating into their country.... what are you at now, 1%? Or have you finally gotten to 2% of residents are foreign? Easy to be safe in a nice xenophobic homogenous country.
It is a Japanese cultural peculiarity. They don't put much value in used goods. That's why most used cars there are sold to exporters at auctions. I spent some time there and frequently left my moped unlocked in the passageway to my apartment building. And btw, I had no issue getting a work visa for Japan, I just had to prove I could perform a useful task.
j p on one hand you're saying it's safe, on the other you're angry at them for not being diverse? Do you not want to live in a safe country?
Jan Michael Vincent im saying it’s safe BECAUSE they aren’t diverse
lol
getting the urge to put on safety goggles while watching this...
Still a pretty effective lock considering that the nut splitter technique has the unfortunate side effect of unleashing a sonic boom which would draw quite a bit of attention.
Yes, it took a lot of winding and makes a suspicious clicking sound too.
Just curious, would it have been more effective to use a cordless impact wrench instead of a rachet? Possibly stretching the rivet faster and causing it to fail faster?
Well, next time you'll remember to "engage your safety squints" ;)
I wonder how many people here actually get that reference.... There was no schmoo spilled in the making of this video.
I did... and kept my stick on the ice. 👍
keep your pick in a vice..
Lock is not skookum.
we all have our vices
The wedge, a simple but mighty tool that just saved me $150!! Thanks! New sub here!
That jumpscare really got me good. The minute of buildup to the pint that you start to relax followed by a dramatic climax.
That was great, I've used these several times and always jump in surprise
Wasn't expecting that finile bang as the lock gave up, made me jump LOL...
I did. Scary stuff!
When he started clamping down on it I put my coffee mug out of jolt range... which proved to be a good idea, as I leaped a foot off the chair when it finally gave :D
I was expecting it, forcing a wedge between two bits of metal with a rivit holding it together, that rivit is going to fail in a sudden way.
How much turning force were you applying? Would you say that lock could have been held in place by hand, feet, or by wedging it in a bike rack/frame like it would be in a real bike theft situtation?
littlegoobie + the plastic was off. I think, it would have made the task even more difficult. Other than that, it was a nice test :)
I assume getting the plastic off wasn't that much work and though it was held in a vice the nuts splitter has a square on the body to take a spanned so this is fairly easy to do in the field.
Of course these aren't normal tools bike thieves carry so unless they know they are specially going after this lock they may still fail.
I'm not sure the washer is actually there for any protection of the joint though, u thing that is there for spacing as the bars are too thick to press an offset in them.
Th only way I can see to protect against this attach is to open up the gap so the wedge has no effect.
I wounder if list of lower grade locks are better than one of this grade. Or maybe a specific lock designed for that bike which puts the week point in a hard to reach place.
I was just drifting off with that clicking sound when the bang hit me. That was scaring
Thanks man, I've really upped my game. Stealing 10-15 more bikes a day since watching your vids.
This video needed a jump scare warning. jk great job
It scared the fu** out of me I jumped out my chair..
4:54 that scared tf out of me, the suspense was too real😂
I'd be curious to see if he was able to do it if the lock was on a bike and not held in a vice
A vice anchored to a workbench, no less.
I'd say yes, just have to hold the nut splitter with another simple tool. I even wonder why he didn't do it in the first place.
@@claudej8805 Could you name the "simple tool" you have in mind?
It should:
1. Be able to be held and operated with one hand while the other hand tightens the nut splitter.
2. Provide leverage and stability equivalent to a vice mounted on a work bench.
@@SourceOfWill I'm no native speaker, that's why I wasn't precise. I was thinking of a wrench on that square shape, probably one fits or make it fit (using 2 wrenches against each other). This seems doable, with the screw the leverage is high and the torque seems manageable. Before you bash me, know I'm a service technician on CNC machines. I've seen and done things. Also remember that his setup on that workbench isn't very stable and still holds easy. But now I'm wondering if my answer is stupid either way, you might just be a dumb thief.
The twisting torque of the screw mechanism is easier to apply than the enormous pressure being applied to the wedge. A pair of locking pliers on the nut splitter would be more than enough. The vice is only being used here to make the whole thing easy to see on camera, not as a necessary part of the operation.
I must admit that no matter how many times I've watched this video I still have my safety squints engaged when he starts cranking on the ratchet😀.
When this kind of lock was new on the market - or at least when I first took notice of it - it looked like a really good idea, being much lighter than a chain and much more flexible than a U-Lock.
But I always questioned the riveted construction - though I never knew how to efficiently defeat it.
This nut splitter is a real danger I would say. It doesn’t make a lot of noise and requires almost no skill.
Thanks for your great videos once again. I think I will keep my security chain bike lock - simple yet effective.
Still best "folding" lock is chain + padlock .
I suspect Abus will eventually improve the rivet protection. It’s not hard.
LockPickingLawyer Then what would you recommend? As I see it the rivet is vounerable as long as you can jam something in between the plates. That hardend collar did make it a bit harder but not prevent it. What construction would do the job better?
vulnerable
@@lockpickinglawyer I'm not hard either, after hear the words 'nut splitter'. You sure know how to spoil the fun 😂 Just kidding!
“The design is very compiling to break as the lock can and will knock out the thief trying to break the lock.”
"... open ended nut splitter."
Mom: Sounds like an accidental move on your bike that renders you unable to procreate.
Honestly, I'm kind of glad that the mic got unplugged. I was very happy that the noise cut out as fast as it did.
I was so rooting for the Bordo (sorry nut splitter). My heart beated, with every click of the ratchet! Heartbroken and exhausted, I need to ... go lie down, now.
Lol, go have a cigarette. Trust me, the drama factor was high when shooting this!
soundspark
Are you being sarcastic?
When you say "no," is that sarcasm?
That might be so.... if u are addicted already.
+Leo Curious
Have you ever tried to quit caffeine yourself? It's bloody hart. Never made it longer than 2 weeks!
Also I'm in the "transform caffeine into code business", that makes quitting caffeine even harder.
I mean at this point i'd rather just bring a cordless grinder. Put Hi-vis vest, a tool belt, a helmet and some safety glasses on and anyone would think you are removing an abandoned bike.
sad but true, that's why ppl need to pay more attention of what's going on around them instead just ignoring things
Until the owner comes outside and clocks you in the side of the head
@@jeffbrownstain Luckily you have a hard hat on. Jokes on you silly owner.
Watching a LPL vid and seeing some comments will teach you how to rob anything😅
Michael McLaughlin first remove the hard hat
Thank you - This video helped me to know how I can remove this type of lock from a bike I bought on the police auktion! Wish me luck 🤞
i am watching this at night, and almost fell asleep when you were tightening the nut splitter and jumped off my chair when the bike lock broke Lol!
I would like to see you do some of these exploits in real-world situations. IN your workshop you have control of the lock more but out in the word not so much. Would love to see more of that.
I would like to see this demonstrated in a "real life" scenario, where the lock is loosely dangled off a bike, and the tool is not held firm with a vise. I would imagine that an angle grinder will be more suited to this scenario.
swap the ratchet out for a impact.
The angle grinder is loud
I re watched the video and don’t believe that it would make a difference. The weak point is the rivet and the gap allowing the nut splitter to be positioned at the right angle
Hold the nut splitter with a large adjustable wrench, drop hoody over all of it to muffle sound and hide your hands. The rivet came off with lots of force and speed but it has very little mass so it wouldn't take much to contain it. If you had your hand over it you wouldn't get more than a red mark.
@@terravarious same mass as a small calibre bullet i'd say .....
It would be interesting to see if anything would be different if the chain lock would break as easy if it was locked on a bike instead of being held in a vice. I happen to use the same lock on my bike and although this worries me a little of the bike disappearing I still find the test a little biased 😊
I was just about to purchase the Abus lock so thanks!
As much as I find the design of some of the locks fascinating and find myself trying to think of ways to redesign them to resist a particular type of picking I must admit that I do enjoy the brute force attacks on them. It does seems ironic though that a high end bicycle with carbon fibre components would need a very heavly lock to afford reasonable protection... love these videos, great work.
Yes indeed.
Please tell me you are keeping the lock part for picking and so forth, right? Right?
👍
I hope to see some bolt cutter, hacksaw, and maybe even drilling tests all against the rivet as well. Would the hardened collar do much to inconvenience the bolt cutters and hacksaw? Only one way to find out!
i can tell you right now, yes hardened steel is quite hard to cut. a hacksaw would take maybe twice as long as without the ring. and you would need a full size pair of bolt cutters
The anticipation was killing me. Thank you.
What would you say is the best anti theft bike lock! Lock picking lawyer! Our town has had a rash of bike thefts, locks being snipped, pried all sorts! Thanks again!
As I was listening (decent DAC and headphones) there's a point (starts at about 4:30) where the microphone picks up a sound that I recognize as critical material-stress from back when we did material theory in school (decades ago). From the tests where we pulled metal bars until they stretched and cracked. You also see the material of the rivet start to flake a little.
I am curious, did you feel a shift in tension too? You shifted the grip just after the first little crack.
Thanks for the jump-scare though, the headphones really helped.
Omg, I've watched a lot of horror films but I just couldn't take this. My heart was proper going fast in anticipation
I thought your bench vice might be the first casualty, I thought it might break free from your work bench. Another good video, thanks
I love all your videos and have learned a great deal from them about security for my electric bike. I currently have a Pewag 3/8" chain and Viro Panzer shutter lock for it. I am now wondering if the Viro lock is vulnerable to a nut splitter attack where the chain is trapped by the lock body? Is that a test you would be willing to perform, or does your experience make that an impractical attack?
It would be interesting to see if the nut splitter would be more effective with two wedges, instead of just on the one side.
I'm an automotive technician, and I can simply explain what happened here.
The nut splitter cut the rivet in a compression or slip split. What happens is, while you apply force to cut the nut, the tool stops moving in. While you apply even more force eventually cut piece (in this case the rivet) gives way sleightly, and causes the tools cutter to "jump", this sudden decompression hammers the nut just enough to cause a violent separation of the component you want cut.
Hope this helps your "autopsy".
Cheers
Z
But the question still remains, can you use this method when the lock is used to secure a bike, and not conveniently mounted in a vice?
Awesome! Criminal training. Good job.
Still took about 2 minutes and very visible work on the bike, also, if you also have an alarm on your bike (or the lock) that would also go off. So, it's still good enough for going into the supermarket. This is more of a danger if you leave an expensive bike outside over a long period of time which is never a good idea - there are crews with MiniVans and battery charged angle grinders which will just do a short driveby and the bike is gone within minutes even with the beefiest U-locks available.
It would take longer for the thief. Take the plastic shielding off and it would be very fiddly as it wouldn't be in a vice like here and it might be awkward.
The thieves use box cutters to take that pieces off and go right to work. Some do it with under a minute without fear of getting hurt from the flying rivet.
I don't think an angle grinder resistant lock is even possible, unless its made out of pure diamond or something.
A layered security is better than a single one off approach. This lock (or two) along with a New York fugetaboutit lock with an alarm will more than be enough.
It all depends on how much time/money you want to spend.
@@denisl2760 exactly. even that huge kryptonite u-lock can be cut off in about 1 minute and that's about the best security you're going to get to brute force.
I would've used protective clothing or at least a shield, if I thought the nut splitter might shatter. Flying metal shards are no joke.
I think he uses a face Shield and hood
Didn't know about this tool. Thanks for showing how to break these locks. More compact than a cordless abrasive saw and much quieter and won't attract attention. I'm sure it'll be of benefit for a certain group of people. Good job.
Hahaha what the fuck?
Hello sir, thank your for the demonstration. What would you recommend for a good lock then ? I feel nothing works actually. Best locks only need 45 sec to be broken while worse ones 5 seconds. That's the only difference.
The good news: a flying bolt will probably take the thief's eye out. An eye for a bike deal.
The bad news is your new bike, your pride and joy, is gone. :-(
Well thanks to this vid if my bike got stolen and there is a pool of blood next to where it was, i'll probably chuckle
Assuming a bike thief has that specific tool and the time to break it
@@mickys8065 very true. So far my bike remains unstolen. I had a few close shaves but learnt from those mistakes. Thankfully the one time they tried to steal my baby these security guards beat the shit out of the prick. God bless them.
You need to know the bad areas where your bike is at risk and always lock it properly. I have my Giant bike for a year now and it's been great. I don't leave it outside for stupid amount of time.
@@mickys8065 and the leverage to crank it that far
Cops would probably find the guy easily, people getting shot by flying rivets don't overcrowd hospitals lmao, unless if the thief somehow didnt got hit by it.
The power of simple machines.
This. I suppose I could estimate the torque and friction, then calculate the force involved. I bet the number would be shocking.
at a guess, 15-20 tonnes
That's what built the pyramids
@@lockpickinglawyer they built the pyramids with same ideas
@@lockpickinglawyer how long big was the lever on lock breaker or there wasn't one
God this made me laugh so hard. That hard cut after the long build up broke me lol
4:53 Everything is calm, there's a gentle clicking going on ... nothing to be surprised about ...
Amazing ! You turned a bike lock into a .38 calibre weapon with a 5-round mag !
Great job on spotting that weakness in the design.
😂😂😂
The most frightening jumpscare ever
This isn't the video I was searching for, but I'm not mad.
Hello and thank you for the video. I am currently on the market to get a bicycle lock. In fact I was looking into the Abus Bordo Granit xplus 6500. Now I am having second thoughts! I do have a question, you put the lock on a vice. Would it be just as easy to break if floating on a bike? Also, what brand of lock would you recommend? I have no intention of leaving my bike outdoors for any long period of time. But you go through these locks pretty fast! I mean even going to the store for 5 min is risky! What are your recomendations? Thanks!
Nut Splitter: my signature wrestling move...
Jim Ross: "oh no, here comes the nut splitter!!!" 😲😲😲😲😲😲
How much time did it take you to cut away the plastic cladding and was it necessary for this attack? This video honestly makes me feel pretty good about locking my bike in any well-travelled area with this lock
i may be late, but honestly, yeah. even though LPL broke the lock, he had it stuck in place where it couldn't move around. if you lock your bike up correctly, the weak point in the lock would be very loose, which would mean that if someone tries to break it, they would put their strength into simply moving the joint side to side, instead of prying it open
Watching this was more exciting than most of the movies these days.
Got it... in order to bypass the bike lock i will need a vice, a nut splitter, a ratchet and a torch (given that i will do this at night). Thank you very much!
Video starts: Me: "Hey, I got that lock on my bike":
Lawyer: "This is the undisputed champion of folded bike locks."
Me: YEAHHHH! I made the right desicion."
Lawyer uses Nut Splitter *loud crack*
Me: "oh f***k ..."
Hey LockPickingLawyer, first of all: Thanks for your great content, I really enjoy it. 👍
Now my question(s):
Do you think this attack on this particular lock would have been possible (or practical) without the bench (can you hold the lock in place with your hands while applying the force) and the plastic still on it (how easy is it to remove the plastic)?
Which kind of bike lock would you recommend?
Have a nice day, greetings from Germany
Mike
See that's exactly what I was wondering!!
My thoughts too
pair of vicegrips and a rattle gun if youre keen enough
yeah, was also wondering about the plastic part, because it would just center the nut splitter's wedge onto that hardened part
To be fair or in this case not fair, LPL normally says in the real world this attack would be awkward to perform. I feel he was actually disappointed that the lock failed in this way. I opened the replies on this thread, hoping to see LPL had replied with what I said.
such a high tension feeling while
watching him tightening...
I knew what was coming and it STILL made me jump!
With the plastic cut away it allowed you to perfectly position the splitter. I wonder if if would have the same effect if you did not remove the plastic first?
It definitely would have been a bit harder to find the gap, but now that I know where it is, I could do it.
Could you try this again, however just try to do it like a normal thief would do in a hurry, straight between the plastic and crank it down fast, im curious as to if the protective ring itself is strong enough to defeat the attack provided it ends up being what gets "squashed". Basically re-do this as if you were not aware of the protective ring, and were in a hurry to "get in and get out fast" like a thief would be in action.
I second this ^. Please retest on a link with the plastic shrouding intact. It looked to me like the splitter might not even fit, though.
I just wonder is the plastic being in the way would make the splitter slip around rather than get into the gap.
Could you attack the rivet directly with the nut splitter by doing it vertically? Rather than going horizontally and indirectly? I suspect the nut splitter could cut the rivet. You could probably nibble around it until enough of one end is removed that the rivet would pop out.
A+ LPL. Don't forget your safety glasses.
Don’t worry. I didn’t forget.
I'd think about something bigger than just glasses.
Nah, just engage the safety squint!
Great video as always. Did you ever think of going into designing locks yourself? If you made one that I need I WOULD BUY YOURS!
Another victory for the Nut Splitter. Great video brother,thanks for sharing it
From the camera perspective I thought the rivet was going to shoot straight up the lens, Carlos Hathcock style.
Lol, nice reference to the gunny!
It would be interesting to see a test of the new Seatylock Forever and the updated ABUS Bordo Granit 6500K. ABUS doesn't claim the rivets have been improved, but you there are "changes to the design and locking mechanism". Seatylock's promotional video shows a snippet of their lock surviving with the very same nut splitter but clearly the splitter was applied off the axis of the rivet.
Well, I did order the lock today. Based on his two videos…and the effort…did you see that vice torque and move? How about trying it on a bike locked to a bike rack….would it still work?
When I was looking at the bike lock, i straight away knew that the folding joints would be its downfall
What would you say the overall winner is for the best bike lock in terms of ability to withstand brute force attacks and lock picking attacks?
Abus’ top of the line u lock is pretty good (and absurdly expensive).
You mean something like the Abus Granit X Plus 540? Or would I be better off with a thick chain and padlock? But not sure which padlock / chain is the best, as you seem to get into all of them in seconds!
Well, that answered my other question.
Yeah the ABUS 540 Granit X-Plus D Lock, not the cheaper one 540/160HB230.
Vegan Dog Go for a chain that is of incredibly high carbon content. I used to chain my quad bike into the box of my truck and people were going around cutting locks and picking them off trucks. The higher the carbon content the longer it'll take an angle grinder to go through. But again eventually they will get through its about making it as time consuming as possible.
I don't know why, but I felt like I was going to get physically hurt, when he was racheting that tool
rivet stretched and underwent "necking" before failure. Very nice approach
With each turn, the suspense was getting to me.
5:07 It was scary... When the screen became black after this crash, I thought it unplugged you and the microphone altogether...
Impressive! Glad you wore eye protection not to mention full face!
My question: Any idea how many foot pounds of force used to open the rivet on this chain?
No idea... I could do the calcs based on an estimate of torque, but it would be a WAG given the large role played by friction in this system.
All I could think of was “you need a protective shield or you are going to get injured!”
Good video. Do you think that without a vise and a bench do you think that a bad guy could break this lock without getting caught?