I hate to point this out two years after he made the comment but you use the correct form of there in the quote but then didn't in your sentence how is that possible?
I always got the impression that Mr. Miyagi's 'Wax On, Wax Off, paint the fence' method was to teach Daniel patience, while also instilling some muscle memory into the lad.
@@danmann861 Amazing how movies used to trust their audience to have enough brain-power to figure things out for themselves, instead of info-dumping every little thing *cough* most modern movies *cough*
Its actually kindve funny that Doug brings up the point that the new Karate Kid is still called Karate Kid despite the fact that he's learning Kung- Fu. I did Kung-Fu when I was about 17 and whenever I told someone I practiced Kung-Fu do you know what they called it 30 seconds later? Karate.
What people fair to understand is that all martial arts can trace their roots back to Shaolin style Kung Fu or specifically the dance of the Geishas where the Emperor’s wives and daughters would learn it to protect him since they were the closest to him. It doesn’t really matter the name all Martial arts have the same roots.
I loved Jackie Chan in Karate Kid, it felt like the role he was born to play lol. I loved the kid bully for some reason too. I think I might've been too young for the original Karate Kid, but it's cool learning he was from Jersey too.
As someone born and raised in Jersey, Daniel son is my role model..... Who also shares my name...... And yes the non asshole jersians like myself do suffer when that fucking reality shitshow is brought up.......
I think one main variable that was missed was that the original wasn't really much about martial arts. That was merely the means for the story to be communicated. The remake was more about the value of martial arts and how martial arts itself was almost the main character. The first one does some obviously over-the-top things with karate in general, but that's mainly because (I think) that it was just the tool that showed us a drama (and a good drama, I think) rather than an "action movie"....
@@Sewblon its fake ..been proven. Thats why i respect the original karate kid more because the simplicity and sloppyness of the karate in that film is way more realistic.Have you ever seen anybody in real life do spinning back flip kicks and actually land them and win tournaments ? If you ask me have i ever seen a crane kick type thrown in a real fight to win the bout ..i would say yes...Anderson Silva did it
Speaking of Karate Kid villains, at 12:56 - 13:05 nostalgia critic says he can't understand why Kreese was the way he was. Actually, Kreese was that way because he was a traumatized Vietnam veteran. I understand nostalgia critic not mentioning Kreese's history being stated in Cobra Kai in this video because it was made before that series started. But Kreese's Vietnam history was also brought up in Karate Kid 3, which came out in 1989
My theory behind why Mr. Miyagi didn't teach Daniel the straight forward way to Karate is because he probably knew that Daniel would put too much focus than needed into learning the moves, and rush head on into fighting the bullies again long before he was ready, probably the whole, "Youth are always overeager" sort of thing you saw in those kind of movies back then.
Considering what happened to Miguel in the new series, "Cobra Kai", Red4Eyed2Jedi0's theory actually makes sense! Daniel was trained by doing chores to develop muscle memory, and be able to make the connection as to why he was doing chores in a specific way. Miguel learned various offensive moves but tried to attack his bully before he was ready. It didn't end well.
Roope Pirunpää-konttiori all of u are 100% correct I love both karate kid tbh both actors set the ages and emotions there going through in remake and original
"Why'd you have me paint the fence" Because it reflects the kohai/Sensei relationship, where a kohai who actually wants to learn martial arts will work for the Sensei, potentially for years, before the Sensei will impart their knowledge to them. Often the styles taught to the kohai would be styles taught only in-family, and sometimes contain Kata that were very personal to the family, this would mean the kohai would have to show a great level of commitment to be worthy of being trained. There's also the fact Miyagi was helping to build 'muscle memory' via repetition. By doing the movement over and over, Daniel was building the fundamental basics of how to do each move. *It's literally explained in the movie*.
I realize this was done years ago, and that it was released in 2011 and again in 2015. However, you state in the video that Miyagi never explains to Daniel the reason he had him do the chores, and even question whether Daniel even realizes he's being used by Miyagi for doing chores he wanted done. But he actually does explain, and Daniel does come to the conclusion that Miyagi might be using him just to get chores done. So basically the claims are wrong. Allow me to explain: At one point Daniel has an impatient outburst with Miyagi, accusing him of just using him for doing chores and starts to storm off and abandon his learning. As a result of this outburst Miyagi shows Daniel how the specific movements he has Daniel use while doing the chores translate into the basics for learning how to defend himself from attack, the basis of Karate and a major element of the movie as well. So as you can see you are wrong, that it is never explained or that Daniel never comes to the conclusion he's being used. Does Miyagi explain the purposes as soon as Han does in the remake? No. But there was also a method to his lessons as well. Given Daniel's obvious Impatience, desire to fight, and his anger issues, all of which are elements in the movie that are explored at least a bit. So Miyagi chose a method that would make it easier for Daniel to learn the basic movements, eventually display his impatience and anger and how it would have hampered his learning had Miyagi tried to teach him in a more traditional way.
There's a common thing between these two teaching methods between movies. Muscle memory. Doing something again and again so you can do it without having to think about it
To his credit, though, that “sketch”, so to speak, where he wonders if Daniel came to the realization that he’s being used (8:33) is still hilarious, anyway.
I think the issue was why Mr. Miyagi taught Daniel that way rather than teaching karate directly. In the original movie, it ends up with Daniel learning the motions and having the muscle memory built into him through the repetitive motions, but as far as I'm aware, there's not an explanation of why that method was preferred over direct karate techniques. In the 2010 movie, Mr. Han explains that 'everything' is kung fu. In other words, it wasn't just an alternative method to teach Dre the techniques and the motions, but an important step in teaching the core principles.
@@MJS-kg1cd this argument is only valid if miyagi knows about Daniel’s hot headed temper, and his impatience, prior to teaching him self defence through the chores. I’ve never watched the movie so idk if he saw it himself.
16:52 - 17:14 I think the reason they did that is because they wanted the movie to have more marquee value. If they called it "The Kung Fu Kid" people might've thought it would be a "Karate Kid" knock-off. But that's just my speculation.
I'm pretty sure it's obvious, but the entire point of wax on/wax off and paint the fence and such was to teach Daniel muscle memory, so it'd be much easier later to show him how to interpret those as moves. That and to find some degree of patience and persistence.
+peachelijah Actually the old movie the karate taught was Goju ryu. Mr. Miyagi is named after Goju ryu's founder, Chojun Miyagi. Karate did , however, have a lot of founders who learned a lot of kung fu. That's why there are a lot of similarities between them. That is ESPECIALLY true for Goju ryu.
From what I understand, the remake is called the Karate Kid because Dre attempts to use karate against Cheng in their first fight (to very little success). At least, that's the official reason. Everyone knows it's called Karate Kid because that's a much more profitable name to cash in on. Although it's apparently called The Kung Fu Kid in Asia, so there's that.
They could of made more effort to tie in the Karate aspect in the New version but there was little reason to call Jaden the Karate Kid. I still think it was still an enjoyable movie but the lack of Karate in a film called the Karate Kid seems they were cashing in on the brand.
I feel like they had no choice other than call it Karate Kid. Sure, they were cashing on the name of the original, but if they called it anything else, everyone would think it was just ripping off the OG Karate Kid's plot, characters and etc.
Miyagi had Daniel do those things to also do a thing called muscle memory. If you do a movement I forget how many hundred times you can then do it instinctively. Hence paint, sand, and wax.
I do like the remake, but I prefer the old one. As for the masters, I found Miyagi's to pull more at my heartstrings. Just the words, "Complication. No Doctor came." sends chills down my spine.
Also not to mention that in the original he does a jump kick, but in the remake he does a FUCKING back flip/kick to finish off the villian! it all on the one good leg he has at the time and what doug said about using phsychological and physical tatics to win.
If we follow the argument that "the jump kick is fucking easy to block"... the back flip/kick is even easier to step aside and punish, even with all the mindgames in the world. The moment Drew tuns his back on the psycho asian kid, said kid, even if he was charging like a bull instead of fighting clever, would... well, charge at him like a bull and punish the whole "turning his back on him". It is spectacular, don't get me wrong. But it made me roll me eyes so hard I got dizzy (obviously an exageration, I know). And even if Drew was so fast as to turn his back and jump before the other was able to reach and pummel him... the kick is still so telegraphed that he may as well told the kid "I'm going to kick your head, please step aside and punch me on the kidneys once I finish the movement, thank you very much". It may be me, of course, but that kind of things break my suspension of disbelief. I don't deny what Doug says, though. I like better Mr Miyagi than Mr Han, but Jackie Chan *do* know what he is doing it, and it shows. And his character is more involved in the story, instead of being the wise mentor. Miyagi is better at being wise, giving all the protagonism to Daniel. While Han is as much the protagonist as Drew, and it shows. Daniel gets reinforced for this, so it beats Drew because it is entirely his journey, while Miyagi shares his wisdom with Daniel instead of having his own story, and it loses to Han, who has his own journey to travel. Ultimately, as it usually happens in old vs new, both movies are products of their time, so of course a newer version, if it has a similar level, will hold better. It's closer, or a match, to the tastes we have right now. Specially when the original Karate Kid is one of the creators of the cliches Doug likes to punish.
@@lenlimbo but you are missing the point...in the old version miyagi literally says that the crane kick is unstoppable if done right, that's the reason doug points out that its clearly not unstoppable...hell in the sequel he Daniel gets his ass handed despite mastering crane kick...in drew's case han never taught him the backflip kick, he just told him the concept behind the mind game which drew understood...the last move was drew's unlike in case of Daniel who was taught the move by myagi… so you can't really call out drew for his move being easy to block as no one said it was unstoppable...its literally something drew came up with...similarly you can hold the crane kick for not being unstoppable cause myagi says its unstoppable when it clearly isn't
@@lenlimbo No the new won't hold better easily if it has a similar level to the original. Die Hard 6 won't beat Die Hard 1, all Rambo movies won't hold to the original First Blood for what it was about and not just a macho ex veteran forced back and Disney classics will always be better than remakes that lack the energy, feel and passion as they are taking elements made for an animated movie and trying to put it in a stale live action movie
I think that the villain teacher in the newer version is also a lot more abusive to his students where as the villain teacher in the old one is just one of those douche bag teachers who are just...mean.
He meant that the original use many characters and tropes that were already cliche at the time from movies that had previously come out. I'm actually not really sure what cliche's started with the original Karate Kid.
The reason mr. Miyagi makes Daniel to do all of these chores is to teach him patience and restraint, and to build Daniels strength so he could perform as a fighter. Also the wax on, wax off thing was a physical conditioning, to make his arms to be accustomed to the parrying used in karate. 😁 Hope that helps. 😎
Because of the fact that people at that age tend to be confused on their identity or realizing the unfairness of life (economic class, abuse). This causes some people to try and gain control is a physical way by fighting or an emotional way through humiliation. Because of America's belief in self reliance and the working man they tend to try and settle disputes themselves by fighting
Not even. There’s no badass group fights with one dimensional bullies you’ll have to take down. No, maybe you’ll witness a slap fight in the corner of the quad but that’s it.
16:58 I think both movies should be renamed, the original one should be renamed to "The karate teenager". While the remake should be renamed to ?The kung fu kid"
The manual labor thing was used to build his muscles and build his muscle memory, this was demonstrated when myagi attacked Daniel and Daniel blocked all his basic attacks.
+clericofchaos1 and also humility i think what doug was pointing out was that mr miyagi was not very forthcoming with this idea and that he let daniel-san believe that he was doing chores with the promise of reward instead of letting him focus on the lesson itself to motivate him
@@sylvanvixen6887sure but the original then proceeded to give us a moment of show don't tell he didn't have to say a word and the scene would still work.
actually in the old days when you really want to learn from a master you live with them, do chores around their house, cook for them, and basically stay with them 24/7, then you really learn their secrets, so the chores thing isnt that strange, not that Daniel-san knows that
Miyagi was also a lost soul. This is stated in the Cobra Kai series but it's also easily deduced from the first Karate Kid movie. Miyagi basically adopts Daniel, teaches him everything he knows for free, gives away trees that probably holds a lot of personal sentiment and he gives him a car. Daniel is what made him find purpose again in life. Like the son that he never had. Also not to mention how he suffers during his wife's anniversary and how he probably spent many night drinking before meeting Daniel. He was definitely not content
Miyagi DID show Daniel why he was making him paint the fence and wax on and off. He called out the moves when Daniel finally got frustrated and Miyagi showed him how those moves would defend himself. It was about strengthening and memory control. It also showed him discipline to his Sensei. He didn't need to spell it all out for him, he demonstrated why it was working.
Miyagi works better as the wise mentor. As I told to another comment here, he was teaching his pupil to understand what they are learning instead of spelling it to them, while Han came across as a man desperate to teach, but also scared of it. One is a wise mentor, the other one is a scared and scarred man. Both characters are great at what they do, but they also have very different roles, besides teaching martial arts to the young kid in need of them.
I actually liked the remake. I think Jaden Smith wasn't that good of an actor (to me he wasn't bad, just not that good) but still, the movie was well written and the rest of the cast did good jobs so it didn't matter for me... but maybe this is a bit of bias because I expected the movie to suck so hard, that when it didn't that was enough for me to see it as a "good" movie.
His wife was in an internment camp. That's what makes his story so gripping. He was off fighting for a country that openly condemned his people and locked them up based on their race, and lost his wife and son despite his service.
The argument about the cliches being carried over from the original, falls apart when you consider the remake didn't need to be a remake at all. Just like they didn't need the name 'Karate Kid' for a kung-fu movie. Also it's a bit unfair judging an 80's film for having 80's cliches, keeping those tired old archetypes in a movie made 25 years later is far less acceptable.
The problem with the cliches, is they really date the film. The way over the top villains, can only be from the 80s, so the movie only relates to kids from the 80s; who look past that cheesiness. To everyone else it’s the same old question, Why are they all 1 dimensional psychopaths?
Doug used the exact opposite reasoning in the old vs new of King Kong. He excused the cheesy stuff from the old because it was the 30s. He refused to tolerate the cheesy stuff in the Peter Jackson version because it came out in the 2000s when it was impossible to take it seriously. So he is being inconsistent in condemning the original Karate Kid for being a product of its time and giving the new one a pass for still having the cliches of the original.
While I can't say I agree, I think that's because I'm a big fan of the series Cobra Kia. That series expands the Karate Kid world and characters in amazing ways that feel very natural. I understand that the show wasn't around when this was made, but it certainly has elevated the original far above what any remake could do.
Agreed. It really puts a spin on the idea that Daniel was "the hero" and Johnny was "the villain", giving insight to his life, what he endured and how Daniel just swooping into his life really did more damage than one would first think. Then having similar parallels with their students makes it all the more fascinating. I was so hooked watching every season, you grew to either really love or really hate the characters, and every time something went wrong I remember just being so devastated for the protagonists.
Yeah, Cobra Kai is a great series. When he mentioned the spin-off series years later, I thought that he was referring to Cobra Kai, but he then mentioned Karate Kid cartoon series and I was like "Whaaat??"
@@brideofcthulhu347 Yeah. I saw the "Daniel's the real bully" video. And also in the Cobra Kai episode where that's referenced during a school parent/faculty meeting when someone responds to Daniel with "I heard you were the real bully!". Also, see my above reply to @ladyarcanine1432
@@brideofcthulhu347 yeah, I also really appreciate that just because they reframe Johnny as a good guy they don’t suddenly make Daniel into a villain. He’s still just as nice a guy as he was before and even if he does some bad stuff (at one point he basically becomes the evil business man trying to shut down a dojo) with what he went through because of cobra Kai you understand where he’s coming from and why he does that. It isn’t clear cut good guys/bad guys, you understand where each came from and why they see the other as the villain in their story. Way too many stories that try to repaint the villain as misunderstood end up turning the good guy into just genetically evil as the “villain” and I’m glad the series actually tries to show the grey of both parties (even kreese who was just the crazy dojo teacher gets depth and you see why he ended up like this)
As a remake, The Karate Kid (2010) is one of the best examples of how differentiate yourself from the original. The problem with a lot of remakes is that they either stray too far or stick too close to to the source material. This is different, but it's still The Karate Kid.
The main problem with the new one is that there are some scenes that definitely pad the runtime. Some prime examples are when Dre was starting to explain his doubts about his new home. Another big example was the dance scene, and that whole scene when Dre was with that girl, with the water and the dance.
I know it wouldn't be a close call, but Judge Dredd vs. Dredd (3D) would be an interesting talking point. Also, I'd never even heard of the Karate Kid cartoon back in the day O_O
The karate kid is an appropriate title for the new one based on the fact that Kung Fu and Karate, etc.... are closely related and all originated in Manchuria/old school Korea.
12:20 I’d like to add Kreese the original cobra Kai is a Special Forces Veteran from the Vietnam war, he faced the worst of mankind was forced to kill in brutal Ways and even was Taken a prisoner of war who had fight his commander over a Pit of Snakes! It’s no wonder he’s crazy how could anyone go through that brand of Trauma and be OK after that?
I’ll always like the new one more because it has so many elements of my childhood. I was 9 when the new one came out, Jaden Smith was a child star I was familiar with, and from his pointless cartoon to his silliest movie roles, I loved Jackie Chan. Now I kinda want to go and watch it. I haven’t seen that movie in years.
Its a movie made at a time when most people believed martial arts were magic, thats why millions did it at the time.. UFC changed that.. Point fighting and hands down fighting gave people a false impression..
That flying seagull move at the end actually made the movie for me. It was a secret move that only Mr Miyagi knew about, and Daniel had the sense to use it at just the right time in the fight to win. I guess the reason it was a winning move was because the other guy just didn't see it coming. Obviously if Daniel tried using it again it wouldn't work. But undoubtedly Mr Miyagi would have had other secret moves he could teach him.
are u talking about the crane kick? That is most def not unbeatable. IMO it was kinda a lame ending to the movie cuz johnny clearly should NOT have got hit by that. It leaves u so wide open and if u miss u are gonna get smacked for it. He couldve ran in and out to bait it out or just waited there long enough for daniel to lose balance or something except run directly into it. Everything else about the movie is super good tho
I took martial arts because of the new movie when I was little, and only realized I was in Tae Kwon Do instead of Karate after I had already been going to classes for a year.
It wasn’t about the floor or the fence or just the move. Doing the same motions over and over WITH the pressure Daniel exerts strengthens the muscles to do the moves. Just knowing the motions doesn’t mean he could block a fart, he gained the strength needed to use the moves.
The remake is called "The Karate kid" because at the beginning of the movie they point out how the main character has a Black belt in American Karate, which all the other kids laugh at, because in their land American Karate is inferior to the standard taught Kung fu. So in turn the movie "Jabs" at the original's name sake, and uses the name "Karate Kid" as a taunting nickname that the main character gets in the beginning of the film when all the other Asian kids out class him in a better art form. Unfortunately it's lost within about 15 minutes of the story as they find better things to pick on him over.
This video kinda aged badly since Cobra Kai exists and there hasn't been any follow-up or update on the Jaden Smith/Jackie Chan Karate (Or Kung Fu) Kid getting a sequel so the original actually wins
The new one didn't need a sequel much like how movies like the 7 Samurai or it's a wonderful life don't need sequels. The ending they had was fine just where it is no need to expand or update it
Funnily enough, there’s going to be a new Karate Kid movie that actually does connect both the original movie and the 2010 movie, right down to having both Ralph Macchio (the original main character from the original movie) and Jackie Chan (from the 2010 movie).
I always figured Miyagi had Daniel paint the fence as a way to pay him for karate lessons... while learning karate lessons. I don't understand your problem with it really.
the thing is i watched karate kid (1984) out of curiosity and turned out to be one of the best movies i've ever watched; and the karate kid (2010) one i only watched because of jackie chan it's kinda' good tbh
It's the same reason Han had Dre do the jacket so much. You don't learn martial arts by doing each move once, it's repetition. It becomes second nature, your first response to a situation, and something you don't even think about. Waxing the cars, sanding the floor, and painting the fence not only taught Daniel three different ways to block an attack, doing it so much engrained it in him that they were natural. Did you notice when he was complaining about his muscles aching? He hadn't used them very much, and they needed to be strong for the fights. After he gets fed up and Myagi stops him, he finally shows him why he's been doing all the work. He corrects his posture and arm position, makes sure his moves are strong and solid, and then proceeds to attack him in various ways, letting him use those very moves to defend himself. Above all, martial arts is about discipline, and I'd be willing to bet he wouldn't have continued to teach him of he'd quit early.
It's pretty simple why Mr. Miyagi made Daniel do chores. He was teaching Karate but also was teaching Daniel patience because it was his impatience that brought him down and got him into fights. Also, I think Mr. Miyagi's past is a great explanation why he doesn't blow up on situations anymore (at least in the first movie). He basically lost everything so he really doesn't have anything to fight for anymore. His relationship with Daniel is really the only thing keeping Miyagi going. Plus Daniel cares just as much about Miyagi.
I always knew about that "two for one deal." Dad always joked that that was the true genius of Mr. Miyagi. He taught Daniel Karate and got all his housework done at the same time!
I didn't watch the whole remake because of Jayden Smith, I personally think He's not that good of an actor but I did watch the final fight between Jayden and the crazy asian kid and that was stupid, almost to the point of being an satirical adaptation of the original, with flips and shit all the time, at least the original seemed more realistic in that regard. My only regret is not watching Jackie Chan, 'cause I friggin' LOVE Jackie Chan, not only when He's funny
ZEeduardo94 Jaden isn’t even bad in this movie, he’s actually really good tbh. And the ending is much more satisfying than the original. The kid is literally using psychology, that’s some Art of War shit. The American one just goes “use this move and you win!” which is honestly lazy. The original is also dated
I just rewatched these two back to back (not in one sitting) and I think my favorite shot in the whole of the two films is when the Fighting Dragon students go and bow to Mister Han and it cuts to their sifu and he looks like he's about to cry.
Mr. Miagi had only a few days to get Daniel to be able to do 'karate moves', pretty much in his sleep. It's called muscles training and the use of practical movements (not to mention the work that increases stamina) is more demanding and more effective than 'ghosting moves' in thin air or imitating stances. If Daniel had years to learn, that would have been a different matter. One of the reasons everyone loved Mr. Miagi is because of his ingenious way of training Daniel using the muscles the latter would require to master basics.
The fence painting and car waxing was Daniel's tuition for the training. He could have disciplined his muscles with weights or something. But then the training would be free of charge.
I want to point out that the "no can defense" line was talking about timing. Your attacks have to affect is the timing is off, making the crane actually very effective as long as the timing is right.
Mr. Miyagi's chores did a lot for Daniel other than teach him motions in the background. It worked his muscles to the bone and tested not only Daniel's patience, but his physical and mental endurance. You can even see that it tested Daniel's promise to Mr. Miyagi to learn from him, no questions asked. Not to mention, Mr. Han did not once try to correct Dre as he was doing the same damn motions over and over again. Mr. Miyagi checked in on Daniel and made it very clear how he was supposed to do the motions. It's not as simple as one explained why and one didn't. You cannot tell me seriously that Mr. Miyagi didn't learn a thing from Daniel. Mr. Miyagi had to learn to get along with someone far younger in years after having never taken care of a son. He didn't even get the chance, where as Mr. Han actually had a son for a while. If there's only bad teachers, then there's no reason the asian kid in 2010 should have been as bat-shit crazy as he was.
Agreed. I think Doug said this because it was a newer film. Remember that this review is from 2011 which is a year after the Remake. In other words, it still had that new car smell to it. I doubt he would say the same thing a decade later, especially since Cobra Kai has become a phenomenon.
"They're Karate Kid villains, they could practically have their own movies"...or you know, there own UA-cam red series
It was worth it
Do you think Mercy's a Penis would be a better show than Cobra Kai?
Little did we know back in 2015..
Was going to say the same thing lol
I hate to point this out two years after he made the comment but you use the correct form of there in the quote but then didn't in your sentence how is that possible?
I always got the impression that Mr. Miyagi's 'Wax On, Wax Off, paint the fence' method was to teach Daniel patience, while also instilling some muscle memory into the lad.
Yeap, and the film doesn’t need to tell you this because it trusts the audience will get it on their own
@@danmann861 Amazing how movies used to trust their audience to have enough brain-power to figure things out for themselves, instead of info-dumping every little thing *cough* most modern movies *cough*
I guess for people that never did martial arts it makes sense
@@danmann861 but Doug failed to get it
Yeah but Doug is a moron lol
Its actually kindve funny that Doug brings up the point that the new Karate Kid is still called Karate Kid despite the fact that he's learning Kung- Fu. I did Kung-Fu when I was about 17 and whenever I told someone I practiced Kung-Fu do you know what they called it 30 seconds later? Karate.
I did karate from 9-16, the first film had pretty much no karate and was just generic martial arts
Same thing with me learning at the age of 6 but it was Taekwondo.
@@_PuppetMaster86 same here, I've had to correct a few folk before
What people fair to understand is that all martial arts can trace their roots back to Shaolin style Kung Fu or specifically the dance of the Geishas where the Emperor’s wives and daughters would learn it to protect him since they were the closest to him. It doesn’t really matter the name all Martial arts have the same roots.
I feel your pain man lol
I loved Jackie Chan in Karate Kid, it felt like the role he was born to play lol. I loved the kid bully for some reason too. I think I might've been too young for the original Karate Kid, but it's cool learning he was from Jersey too.
*NOTE:* MR MIYAGI'S WIFE AND CHILD DIED IN AN WWII JAPANESE INTERNMENT CAMP
Welp.....now my day is ruined
@@alextelson4416 I sense another F ups video, in fact i know there is cause I scouted ahead to season 5.
"Even I know that not everyone from Jersey is totally nuts" and on that day balance was restored to the world
As someone born and raised in Jersey, Daniel son is my role model..... Who also shares my name...... And yes the non asshole jersians like myself do suffer when that fucking reality shitshow is brought up.......
Also most of the people from Jersey Shore were from New York.
I think one main variable that was missed was that the original wasn't really much about martial arts. That was merely the means for the story to be communicated. The remake was more about the value of martial arts and how martial arts itself was almost the main character. The first one does some obviously over-the-top things with karate in general, but that's mainly because (I think) that it was just the tool that showed us a drama (and a good drama, I think) rather than an "action movie"....
KungFu is bullshit though so, fake ass martial art isn't about shit.
@@SM-nz9ff How is Kung Fu bullshit?
@@Sewblon its fake ..been proven. Thats why i respect the original karate kid more because the simplicity and sloppyness of the karate in that film is way more realistic.Have you ever seen anybody in real life do spinning back flip kicks and actually land them and win tournaments ? If you ask me have i ever seen a crane kick type thrown in a real fight to win the bout ..i would say yes...Anderson Silva did it
christisn salas umm kung Fuu isn’t bullshite. In fact it’s one of the oldest martial arts in history.
@@crimsonblade25 rent UFC 1 . Its scientific evidence of what really works
How weird is it that Doug kinda correctly guessed Kreese’s backstory years before it was revealed? Right down to needing a girlfriend...
“They’re Karate Kid villains! They should practically have their own movie!”
Or their own UA-cam TV series.
Foreshadowing much?
Now on netflix
Cobra Kai and is on Netflix.
And its great
Speaking of Karate Kid villains, at
12:56 - 13:05 nostalgia critic says he can't understand why Kreese was the way he was. Actually, Kreese was that way because he was a traumatized Vietnam veteran. I understand nostalgia critic not mentioning Kreese's history being stated in Cobra Kai in this video because it was made before that series started. But Kreese's Vietnam history was also brought up in Karate Kid 3, which came out in 1989
My theory behind why Mr. Miyagi didn't teach Daniel the straight forward way to Karate is because he probably knew that Daniel would put too much focus than needed into learning the moves, and rush head on into fighting the bullies again long before he was ready, probably the whole, "Youth are always overeager" sort of thing you saw in those kind of movies back then.
+HeyGuy09314 Plus, he needed his cars waxed, deck sanded, and fences and house painted. Mr. Miyagi knew how to capitalize! =D
+korruption ah, old fashioned capitalism. The good ole days. :P
Considering what happened to Miguel in the new series, "Cobra Kai", Red4Eyed2Jedi0's theory actually makes sense! Daniel was trained by doing chores to develop muscle memory, and be able to make the connection as to why he was doing chores in a specific way. Miguel learned various offensive moves but tried to attack his bully before he was ready. It didn't end well.
Also doing the chores was building up his strength and teaching him discipline.
@@MannyBracamontes yeah endurance and discipline
Jackie Chan is one of the biggest badasses of our time!
That guy is just amazing!
@@christopherrajecki3377 Problem with Chuck Norris is that outside of the camera he is kind of a shitty guy, unlike Chan.
Roope Pirunpää-konttiori all of u are 100% correct I love both karate kid tbh both actors set the ages and emotions there going through in remake and original
vaikka oikeasti Jackie Chan onkin kiinan valtion orja. kannattaa ottaa selvää.
@@beganfish Chan believes in the very questionable chinese political system and is a nationalist...so quite a.jerk too :/
@@RedDeathShinigami if we are judging people based on their political views then you may just call 80 % of the people or celebrities you know jerks.
"Why'd you have me paint the fence"
Because it reflects the kohai/Sensei relationship, where a kohai who actually wants to learn martial arts will work for the Sensei, potentially for years, before the Sensei will impart their knowledge to them. Often the styles taught to the kohai would be styles taught only in-family, and sometimes contain Kata that were very personal to the family, this would mean the kohai would have to show a great level of commitment to be worthy of being trained.
There's also the fact Miyagi was helping to build 'muscle memory' via repetition. By doing the movement over and over, Daniel was building the fundamental basics of how to do each move. *It's literally explained in the movie*.
I realize this was done years ago, and that it was released in 2011 and again in 2015. However, you state in the video that Miyagi never explains to Daniel the reason he had him do the chores, and even question whether Daniel even realizes he's being used by Miyagi for doing chores he wanted done. But he actually does explain, and Daniel does come to the conclusion that Miyagi might be using him just to get chores done. So basically the claims are wrong. Allow me to explain:
At one point Daniel has an impatient outburst with Miyagi, accusing him of just using him for doing chores and starts to storm off and abandon his learning. As a result of this outburst Miyagi shows Daniel how the specific movements he has Daniel use while doing the chores translate into the basics for learning how to defend himself from attack, the basis of Karate and a major element of the movie as well.
So as you can see you are wrong, that it is never explained or that Daniel never comes to the conclusion he's being used. Does Miyagi explain the purposes as soon as Han does in the remake? No. But there was also a method to his lessons as well. Given Daniel's obvious Impatience, desire to fight, and his anger issues, all of which are elements in the movie that are explored at least a bit. So Miyagi chose a method that would make it easier for Daniel to learn the basic movements, eventually display his impatience and anger and how it would have hampered his learning had Miyagi tried to teach him in a more traditional way.
Well then you're late to the party TOTS!!!
There's a common thing between these two teaching methods between movies. Muscle memory. Doing something again and again so you can do it without having to think about it
To his credit, though, that “sketch”, so to speak, where he wonders if Daniel came to the realization that he’s being used (8:33) is still hilarious, anyway.
I think the issue was why Mr. Miyagi taught Daniel that way rather than teaching karate directly. In the original movie, it ends up with Daniel learning the motions and having the muscle memory built into him through the repetitive motions, but as far as I'm aware, there's not an explanation of why that method was preferred over direct karate techniques. In the 2010 movie, Mr. Han explains that 'everything' is kung fu. In other words, it wasn't just an alternative method to teach Dre the techniques and the motions, but an important step in teaching the core principles.
@@MJS-kg1cd this argument is only valid if miyagi knows about Daniel’s hot headed temper, and his impatience, prior to teaching him self defence through the chores. I’ve never watched the movie so idk if he saw it himself.
Let's be honest, if it was called the Kung-Fu Kid, the movie would just be disparaged as a shameless knock-off.
Plus, Americans have a tendency to call all martial arts karate
I think it should've just had a whole new name.
@@anton_lezama_art Oh that's also totally fair, just not a solution me 4 years ago came up with lol
@@jacobbrown9894 In China, and Korea is called "The Kung-Fu Dream"
Japan called it "Best Kid"
I mean... Still kind of is a knock off
16:52 - 17:14
I think the reason they did that is because they wanted the movie to have more marquee value.
If they called it "The Kung Fu Kid" people might've thought it would be a "Karate Kid" knock-off. But that's just my speculation.
+NCfanboy1 the studio said no to calling it Kung Fu kid and that it had to be called Karate Kid.
@@SR2XO So why ddin't they sue them for being racist?
Bring back this series! I love it!
+Brandon Roberts JUST DO IT!
+TheFarnch. It's an old episode.
+TheFarnch not really my boy, this is a reupload
*****
hopefully, Doug have been reuploading his old videos. but maybe he will come back to old vs new (there was the Spiderman one not so long ago)
Speaking of series, what happened to "Actual Thoughts On" and "Sibling Rivalry"?
I'm pretty sure it's obvious, but the entire point of wax on/wax off and paint the fence and such was to teach Daniel muscle memory, so it'd be much easier later to show him how to interpret those as moves. That and to find some degree of patience and persistence.
"They're Karate Kid villains, they should practically have their own movie."
Three years later...
I've always wondered why the new karate kid isn't called Kung fu kid.
Kung Fu is Chinese and karate is Japanese
I herd that they wanted to call it the kung fu kid but the studio didn't let them.
+Thatguywhoplaysguitarandsingsonthatcornerdowntown and kung fu kid does not have the same ring to it
+William Yang Actually, it was never truly Karate, It was always Kung Fu, but being merican rids you of all those pesky details.
joe mcnoe Oh that's right, since mantis style became Karate around the same time that dragons became donkeys.
+peachelijah Actually the old movie the karate taught was Goju ryu. Mr. Miyagi is named after Goju ryu's founder, Chojun Miyagi.
Karate did , however, have a lot of founders who learned a lot of kung fu. That's why there are a lot of similarities between them. That is ESPECIALLY true for Goju ryu.
From what I understand, the remake is called the Karate Kid because Dre attempts to use karate against Cheng in their first fight (to very little success). At least, that's the official reason. Everyone knows it's called Karate Kid because that's a much more profitable name to cash in on.
Although it's apparently called The Kung Fu Kid in Asia, so there's that.
But the title still sounds misleading.
I think it’s because of that scene where his mom was like “You wanna learn Karate” and he was like “No, Kung Fu” or something like that
I think the title is just a homage.
They could of made more effort to tie in the Karate aspect in the New version but there was little reason to call Jaden the Karate Kid. I still think it was still an enjoyable movie but the lack of Karate in a film called the Karate Kid seems they were cashing in on the brand.
I feel like they had no choice other than call it Karate Kid. Sure, they were cashing on the name of the original, but if they called it anything else, everyone would think it was just ripping off the OG Karate Kid's plot, characters and etc.
Only reason i watch the new Karate kid was only becouse i am big fan of Jackie Chan.
Why's it even called karate kid?!
I feel sorry will Smith son that died
Because if they called it Kungfu Kid it would sound like a cheap bootleg.
That's a hoax, mate. He didn't die.
A hoox eh?
Is that a Scottish hoax?
2:51 - Best Karate Kid
6:21 - Best Teacher
10:43 - Best Villains
14:07 - Best Support
16:26 - Best Story
Miyagi had Daniel do those things to also do a thing called muscle memory. If you do a movement I forget how many hundred times you can then do it instinctively. Hence paint, sand, and wax.
Please tell me that characters name is actually "crazy asian kid"
ThatOneShyguy it’s Cheng.
I would love for it to be crazy asian kid
That's racist!
It reminds me of Angry German kid
@@ikarikid - They just use his surname?
I do like the remake, but I prefer the old one. As for the masters, I found Miyagi's to pull more at my heartstrings. Just the words, "Complication. No Doctor came." sends chills down my spine.
Also not to mention that in the original he does a jump kick, but in the remake he does a FUCKING back flip/kick to finish off the villian! it all on the one good leg he has at the time and what doug said about using phsychological and physical tatics to win.
If we follow the argument that "the jump kick is fucking easy to block"... the back flip/kick is even easier to step aside and punish, even with all the mindgames in the world. The moment Drew tuns his back on the psycho asian kid, said kid, even if he was charging like a bull instead of fighting clever, would... well, charge at him like a bull and punish the whole "turning his back on him". It is spectacular, don't get me wrong. But it made me roll me eyes so hard I got dizzy (obviously an exageration, I know).
And even if Drew was so fast as to turn his back and jump before the other was able to reach and pummel him... the kick is still so telegraphed that he may as well told the kid "I'm going to kick your head, please step aside and punch me on the kidneys once I finish the movement, thank you very much".
It may be me, of course, but that kind of things break my suspension of disbelief.
I don't deny what Doug says, though. I like better Mr Miyagi than Mr Han, but Jackie Chan *do* know what he is doing it, and it shows. And his character is more involved in the story, instead of being the wise mentor. Miyagi is better at being wise, giving all the protagonism to Daniel. While Han is as much the protagonist as Drew, and it shows. Daniel gets reinforced for this, so it beats Drew because it is entirely his journey, while Miyagi shares his wisdom with Daniel instead of having his own story, and it loses to Han, who has his own journey to travel.
Ultimately, as it usually happens in old vs new, both movies are products of their time, so of course a newer version, if it has a similar level, will hold better. It's closer, or a match, to the tastes we have right now. Specially when the original Karate Kid is one of the creators of the cliches Doug likes to punish.
@@lenlimbo but you are missing the point...in the old version miyagi literally says that the crane kick is unstoppable if done right, that's the reason doug points out that its clearly not unstoppable...hell in the sequel he Daniel gets his ass handed despite mastering crane kick...in drew's case han never taught him the backflip kick, he just told him the concept behind the mind game which drew understood...the last move was drew's unlike in case of Daniel who was taught the move by myagi… so you can't really call out drew for his move being easy to block as no one said it was unstoppable...its literally something drew came up with...similarly you can hold the crane kick for not being unstoppable cause myagi says its unstoppable when it clearly isn't
@@lenlimbo No the new won't hold better easily if it has a similar level to the original.
Die Hard 6 won't beat Die Hard 1, all Rambo movies won't hold to the original First Blood for what it was about and not just a macho ex veteran forced back and Disney classics will always be better than remakes that lack the energy, feel and passion as they are taking elements made for an animated movie and trying to put it in a stale live action movie
Souvik Bose, bud he’s a little kid, you can’t master karate at that time, so it wasn’t done right
I think that the villain teacher in the newer version is also a lot more abusive to his students where as the villain teacher in the old one is just one of those douche bag teachers who are just...mean.
"I hope it was something important" always gets me teary
Not gonna lie, I love the psycho kid from the new movie.
Ayyy! I see what you did there! :D
I think the old is not a cliche, its the one who invented what later became a cliche.
Ahhh so it falls under the "Seinfeld is not funny" trope.
Go google what the phrase means and where it came from.
He meant that the original use many characters and tropes that were already cliche at the time from movies that had previously come out. I'm actually not really sure what cliche's started with the original Karate Kid.
We get it the old Karate Kid was the first movie you've ever seen
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The new one is Kung Fu Kid. They are totally different.
The reason mr. Miyagi makes Daniel to do all of these chores is to teach him patience and restraint, and to build Daniels strength so he could perform as a fighter.
Also the wax on, wax off thing was a physical conditioning, to make his arms to be accustomed to the parrying used in karate.
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Hope that helps.
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"The Karate Kid villains should get their own movies"
The first video in my sidebar: Cobra Kai review.
"In high school, you got no choice, you have to fight."
The heck kind of high school does America have? Freaking scary!
Right, only in America do they have bullies and fighting in HS. I can see you're not intelligent, cultured, or educated.
Because of the fact that people at that age tend to be confused on their identity or realizing the unfairness of life (economic class, abuse). This causes some people to try and gain control is a physical way by fighting or an emotional way through humiliation. Because of America's belief in self reliance and the working man they tend to try and settle disputes themselves by fighting
It’s a shitty system for sure
Not even. There’s no badass group fights with one dimensional bullies you’ll have to take down. No, maybe you’ll witness a slap fight in the corner of the quad but that’s it.
@@SM-nz9ff only in USA kids are shooting in their schools. And maybe in some fkd up Russia or some other shthole
If the new one would've had "You're The Best Around" at the end tournament I would've lost my shit to awesomeness.
Ok it's 2018 now and after visiting this video and finding this comment I just wanna say what the fuck is wrong with me
Arson Bjork liked so you can get 100 :)
Arson Bjork surprised they didn’t try using R Kelley I AM THE GREATEST lol
SAMURA1 lmao
South Park: Hold my PBR.
16:58 I think both movies should be renamed, the original one should be renamed to "The karate teenager". While the remake should be renamed to ?The kung fu kid"
Exactly, I was saying this the other day.
Except teenagers are technically kids though, so the title still fits the old movie.
The Batman Of Neo-Gotham the new title was more to dupe the rest of us into thinking it was a remake when technically it wasnt
"The karate teenager." Really rolls off the tongue. How about "Karate Teen." Or "Karateen." Nope, one to far.
The kitten of approval! In Asia the new one is called "The Kung Fu Kid"
The manual labor thing was used to build his muscles and build his muscle memory, this was demonstrated when myagi attacked Daniel and Daniel blocked all his basic attacks.
And I imagine discipline and obedience were object lessons as well.
+clericofchaos1 and also humility i think what doug was pointing out was that mr miyagi was not very forthcoming with this idea and that he let daniel-san believe that he was doing chores with the promise of reward instead of letting him focus on the lesson itself to motivate him
Yes!!! Wrote something similar before I read this. Props.
Yes!!! Wrote something similar before I read this. Props.
@@sylvanvixen6887sure but the original then proceeded to give us a moment of show don't tell he didn't have to say a word and the scene would still work.
actually in the old days when you really want to learn from a master you live with them, do chores around their house, cook for them, and basically stay with them 24/7, then you really learn their secrets, so the chores thing isnt that strange, not that Daniel-san knows that
Also, does anyone even remember that he got a convertible out of it, as well?
Or you can learn something from kreese like just staying in his dojo alone can teach you something
NomadicStranger kreese is a psychopath
@@JohnZ117 So much for the 'free labour' argument. Meanwhile, Daniel in Cobra Kai owns a luxury car dealership and doesn't give his students squat!
Miyagi was also a lost soul. This is stated in the Cobra Kai series but it's also easily deduced from the first Karate Kid movie. Miyagi basically adopts Daniel, teaches him everything he knows for free, gives away trees that probably holds a lot of personal sentiment and he gives him a car. Daniel is what made him find purpose again in life. Like the son that he never had. Also not to mention how he suffers during his wife's anniversary and how he probably spent many night drinking before meeting Daniel. He was definitely not content
In the new one it was showed way better
Even if Jaden Smith is just a meme these days, I still really love the Karate Kid remake
Miyagi DID show Daniel why he was making him paint the fence and wax on and off. He called out the moves when Daniel finally got frustrated and Miyagi showed him how those moves would defend himself. It was about strengthening and memory control. It also showed him discipline to his Sensei.
He didn't need to spell it all out for him, he demonstrated why it was working.
Agreed
Miyagi works better as the wise mentor. As I told to another comment here, he was teaching his pupil to understand what they are learning instead of spelling it to them, while Han came across as a man desperate to teach, but also scared of it. One is a wise mentor, the other one is a scared and scarred man. Both characters are great at what they do, but they also have very different roles, besides teaching martial arts to the young kid in need of them.
SerialQiller agreed and then it all combines into a fighting style
@@gamesincharacter5106 It was teaching Daniel about patience.
I thought Miyagi was teaching Daniel about patience and endurance, but this makes more sense.
Doug you should make a Rob Schneider month!
Why torture him?
+Napalm Blaziken He remembers it so we don't have to.
+The PaRoSpEcTaH No. What you said makes no sense.
+Zokalex Good lord, man, do you want to kill him?!
What about Adam Sandler?
I actually liked the remake.
I think Jaden Smith wasn't that good of an actor (to me he wasn't bad, just not that good) but still, the movie was well written and the rest of the cast did good jobs so it didn't matter for me... but maybe this is a bit of bias because I expected the movie to suck so hard, that when it didn't that was enough for me to see it as a "good" movie.
It's still his best movie though. Which doesn't really say a lot.
Damion Dixon I haven't watched any other movie with him so I don't know about that, a lot of people say he's now a terrible actor but I am not sure.
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Sweet icon ;3
TheNashNetwork thankies
His wife was in an internment camp. That's what makes his story so gripping. He was off fighting for a country that openly condemned his people and locked them up based on their race, and lost his wife and son despite his service.
Lol, "villains should have there own movie" and 2018 kobra kai the movie is being released. Good call critic
Justin William it’s not a movie, it’s a series on UA-cam
@@iamchristian1129 Still cool tho
I KNOW RIGHT!!! HOW DID HE CALL THAT!!!!
it is a series, but the producers stated each season is a 5 hour movie divided into 30 minute segemtns
Except Johnny is not just a villain. Just a guy who refuses to let go of the past and makes bad decisions.
I actually liked both films a lot, though it's been a long time since i've seen either
The argument about the cliches being carried over from the original, falls apart when you consider the remake didn't need to be a remake at all. Just like they didn't need the name 'Karate Kid' for a kung-fu movie. Also it's a bit unfair judging an 80's film for having 80's cliches, keeping those tired old archetypes in a movie made 25 years later is far less acceptable.
Mase Carlson my theory is name and probably the cliches were forced on the writers by the producers or someone, just a feeling I have...
The problem with the cliches, is they really date the film.
The way over the top villains, can only be from the 80s, so the movie only relates to kids from the 80s; who look past that cheesiness.
To everyone else it’s the same old question, Why are they all 1 dimensional psychopaths?
Doug used the exact opposite reasoning in the old vs new of King Kong. He excused the cheesy stuff from the old because it was the 30s. He refused to tolerate the cheesy stuff in the Peter Jackson version because it came out in the 2000s when it was impossible to take it seriously. So he is being inconsistent in condemning the original Karate Kid for being a product of its time and giving the new one a pass for still having the cliches of the original.
Hey, you show do a old vs new of annie
+SuperDuper Annie vs Tannie.
+SuperDuper Which would be funny as hell since Doug doesn't like Annie.
How bout Carrie?
+ManiacX1999 the new Carrie bombed tho didn't it?
Brandon Roberts
which is why the joke is to call it Tannie... As in Tan... cause her skin is dark.
Dawn of The Dead (1979) Vs Dawn of The Dead (2004) plz
Vs Shawn of the Dead
Spoiler alert: Shawn of the Dead wins
He should've done that for nostalgiaween
He should do Cinderella(1950) vs. Cinderella(2015)
Psycho (Alfred Hitchcock vs. Vince Vaughn)
While I can't say I agree, I think that's because I'm a big fan of the series Cobra Kia. That series expands the Karate Kid world and characters in amazing ways that feel very natural. I understand that the show wasn't around when this was made, but it certainly has elevated the original far above what any remake could do.
Agreed. It really puts a spin on the idea that Daniel was "the hero" and Johnny was "the villain", giving insight to his life, what he endured and how Daniel just swooping into his life really did more damage than one would first think. Then having similar parallels with their students makes it all the more fascinating. I was so hooked watching every season, you grew to either really love or really hate the characters, and every time something went wrong I remember just being so devastated for the protagonists.
Yeah, Cobra Kai is a great series. When he mentioned the spin-off series years later, I thought that he was referring to Cobra Kai, but he then mentioned Karate Kid cartoon series and I was like "Whaaat??"
@@brideofcthulhu347 Yeah. I saw the "Daniel's the real bully" video. And also in the Cobra Kai episode where that's referenced during a school parent/faculty meeting when someone responds to Daniel with "I heard you were the real bully!".
Also, see my above reply to @ladyarcanine1432
@@brideofcthulhu347 yeah, I also really appreciate that just because they reframe Johnny as a good guy they don’t suddenly make Daniel into a villain. He’s still just as nice a guy as he was before and even if he does some bad stuff (at one point he basically becomes the evil business man trying to shut down a dojo) with what he went through because of cobra Kai you understand where he’s coming from and why he does that. It isn’t clear cut good guys/bad guys, you understand where each came from and why they see the other as the villain in their story. Way too many stories that try to repaint the villain as misunderstood end up turning the good guy into just genetically evil as the “villain” and I’m glad the series actually tries to show the grey of both parties (even kreese who was just the crazy dojo teacher gets depth and you see why he ended up like this)
10:44 Even better, they're getting their own spinoff series.
You're WAY too harsh on Miyagi.
how can u not when Han is Jackie chan and his student is a smith !!!
much love to the original tho cause there would be no remake
"They're Karate Kid villains, there should practically have their own movie!"
Nostalgia Critic, predicting the future since 2011.
As a remake, The Karate Kid (2010) is one of the best examples of how differentiate yourself from the original. The problem with a lot of remakes is that they either stray too far or stick too close to to the source material. This is different, but it's still The Karate Kid.
Different? It was KUNG FUUU 🤣
@@AlobytesOgniddove Doesn't really matter, Kung Fu is just different style than Karate, it's just different that's all
10:48 ... This aged oddly well.
The main problem with the new one is that there are some scenes that definitely pad the runtime. Some prime examples are when Dre was starting to explain his doubts about his new home. Another big example was the dance scene, and that whole scene when Dre was with that girl, with the water and the dance.
I know it wouldn't be a close call, but Judge Dredd vs. Dredd (3D) would be an interesting talking point.
Also, I'd never even heard of the Karate Kid cartoon back in the day O_O
The karate kid is an appropriate title for the new one based on the fact that Kung Fu and Karate, etc.... are closely related and all originated in Manchuria/old school Korea.
12:20 I’d like to add Kreese the original cobra Kai is a Special Forces Veteran from the Vietnam war, he faced the worst of mankind was forced to kill in brutal Ways and even was Taken a prisoner of war who had fight his commander over a Pit of Snakes!
It’s no wonder he’s crazy how could anyone go through that brand of Trauma and be OK after that?
I’ll always like the new one more because it has so many elements of my childhood. I was 9 when the new one came out, Jaden Smith was a child star I was familiar with, and from his pointless cartoon to his silliest movie roles, I loved Jackie Chan. Now I kinda want to go and watch it. I haven’t seen that movie in years.
As a semi-big fan of Martial Arts, the aspects of an "unbeatable" move really killed the original movie for me.
Its a movie made at a time when most people believed martial arts were magic, thats why millions did it at the time.. UFC changed that.. Point fighting and hands down fighting gave people a false impression..
That flying seagull move at the end actually made the movie for me. It was a secret move that only Mr Miyagi knew about, and Daniel had the sense to use it at just the right time in the fight to win. I guess the reason it was a winning move was because the other guy just didn't see it coming. Obviously if Daniel tried using it again it wouldn't work. But undoubtedly Mr Miyagi would have had other secret moves he could teach him.
are u talking about the crane kick? That is most def not unbeatable. IMO it was kinda a lame ending to the movie cuz johnny clearly should NOT have got hit by that. It leaves u so wide open and if u miss u are gonna get smacked for it. He couldve ran in and out to bait it out or just waited there long enough for daniel to lose balance or something except run directly into it. Everything else about the movie is super good tho
Jackie's story about his family's death made me wanna cry... :'
I took martial arts because of the new movie when I was little, and only realized I was in Tae Kwon Do instead of Karate after I had already been going to classes for a year.
I agree with Danny at the end, this is bullshit I'm going home.... still liked the review though
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8:25 He’s teaching him Discipline.
the original is paced better, imo
Exactly
I disagree. It wasn't bad though. But the cinematography really brought it down
@@xeonbladev18 It was the 80s dude
Sooo, watch both?
Watching the original Karate Kid trilogy after watching Cobra Kai makes all of the movies hit so different. It made me really like Johnny Lawrence.
The title should have been
"The Kung Fu Kid"
"They are Karate Kid villains. They should have their own movie!"
Would you settle for a Netflix show?
Casino 119 Gaming no, but maybe a youtube red series, oh wait.
20:30 "that's bullshit I'm going home" basically the comment section
It wasn’t about the floor or the fence or just the move. Doing the same motions over and over WITH the pressure Daniel exerts strengthens the muscles to do the moves. Just knowing the motions doesn’t mean he could block a fart, he gained the strength needed to use the moves.
"Paint the House."
Me: Whats Next? Build A House?
Dude, you missed a huge and tragic part of Miyagi's backstory. Also the meaning behind Daniels chores.
Original wins it definitely!
THANK YOU. I can't understand why so many folks nowadays forget about the forced relocation of Japanese-American citizens to internment camps.
He lost his wife and unborn son. This annoying critic didn't even watch the film it seems
The remake is called "The Karate kid" because at the beginning of the movie they point out how the main character has a Black belt in American Karate, which all the other kids laugh at, because in their land American Karate is inferior to the standard taught Kung fu. So in turn the movie "Jabs" at the original's name sake, and uses the name "Karate Kid" as a taunting nickname that the main character gets in the beginning of the film when all the other Asian kids out class him in a better art form. Unfortunately it's lost within about 15 minutes of the story as they find better things to pick on him over.
This video kinda aged badly since Cobra Kai exists and there hasn't been any follow-up or update on the Jaden Smith/Jackie Chan Karate (Or Kung Fu) Kid getting a sequel so the original actually wins
The new one didn't need a sequel much like how movies like the 7 Samurai or it's a wonderful life don't need sequels.
The ending they had was fine just where it is no need to expand or update it
Funnily enough, there’s going to be a new Karate Kid movie that actually does connect both the original movie and the 2010 movie, right down to having both Ralph Macchio (the original main character from the original movie) and Jackie Chan (from the 2010 movie).
I always figured Miyagi had Daniel paint the fence as a way to pay him for karate lessons... while learning karate lessons. I don't understand your problem with it really.
It was to build muscle memory.
F that the original is better then the new one
Umm... He does explain it. In fact, there's a whole blow-up scene where he does.
“Seeing little kids get hurt isn’t exactly fun. Unless if you’re Willy Wonka”
I’m dying XD
Cobra Kai is getting its own series so...
So what?
And?
the thing is i watched karate kid (1984) out of curiosity and turned out to be one of the best movies i've ever watched; and the karate kid (2010) one i only watched because of jackie chan it's kinda' good tbh
It's the same reason Han had Dre do the jacket so much. You don't learn martial arts by doing each move once, it's repetition. It becomes second nature, your first response to a situation, and something you don't even think about. Waxing the cars, sanding the floor, and painting the fence not only taught Daniel three different ways to block an attack, doing it so much engrained it in him that they were natural. Did you notice when he was complaining about his muscles aching? He hadn't used them very much, and they needed to be strong for the fights. After he gets fed up and Myagi stops him, he finally shows him why he's been doing all the work. He corrects his posture and arm position, makes sure his moves are strong and solid, and then proceeds to attack him in various ways, letting him use those very moves to defend himself. Above all, martial arts is about discipline, and I'd be willing to bet he wouldn't have continued to teach him of he'd quit early.
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I feel like the Critic does NOT understand the old Karate Kid movies.
It's pretty simple why Mr. Miyagi made Daniel do chores. He was teaching Karate but also was teaching Daniel patience because it was his impatience that brought him down and got him into fights. Also, I think Mr. Miyagi's past is a great explanation why he doesn't blow up on situations anymore (at least in the first movie). He basically lost everything so he really doesn't have anything to fight for anymore. His relationship with Daniel is really the only thing keeping Miyagi going. Plus Daniel cares just as much about Miyagi.
I always knew about that "two for one deal." Dad always joked that that was the true genius of Mr. Miyagi. He taught Daniel Karate and got all his housework done at the same time!
black moms Doug. you gotta understand black moms and thier attitudes to understand that. lol
Meh. I feel like she still could've had a more well rounded personality.
+sigh824 i mean she aint Angela Basset but Taraji Henson does do a well rounded job of playing a mom role
+Edd Dowling She's a great actor, yeah, but like they didn't give her much to work with here.
i definately agree with you on that
+crazycherry1995 I'd be Lyon if said i hadn't thought about it.
I didn't watch the whole remake because of Jayden Smith, I personally think He's not that good of an actor but I did watch the final fight between Jayden and the crazy asian kid and that was stupid, almost to the point of being an satirical adaptation of the original, with flips and shit all the time, at least the original seemed more realistic in that regard. My only regret is not watching Jackie Chan, 'cause I friggin' LOVE Jackie Chan, not only when He's funny
ZEeduardo94 Jaden isn’t even bad in this movie, he’s actually really good tbh. And the ending is much more satisfying than the original. The kid is literally using psychology, that’s some Art of War shit. The American one just goes “use this move and you win!” which is honestly lazy. The original is also dated
@@Deltasquad382943 this guy is sitting facts
His father is not a good actor. Jayden is not an actor at all.
I just rewatched these two back to back (not in one sitting) and I think my favorite shot in the whole of the two films is when the Fighting Dragon students go and bow to Mister Han and it cuts to their sifu and he looks like he's about to cry.
Mr. Miagi had only a few days to get Daniel to be able to do 'karate moves', pretty much in his sleep. It's called muscles training and the use of practical movements (not to mention the work that increases stamina) is more demanding and more effective than 'ghosting moves' in thin air or imitating stances. If Daniel had years to learn, that would have been a different matter. One of the reasons everyone loved Mr. Miagi is because of his ingenious way of training Daniel using the muscles the latter would require to master basics.
8:28 duuh Mijagi taught him as well as had his things done. It makes it cool and funny
The fence painting and car waxing was Daniel's tuition for the training. He could have disciplined his muscles with weights or something. But then the training would be free of charge.
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well sorry Critic but Cobra Kai wins :>
EddieBrooks no doubt
I want to point out that the "no can defense" line was talking about timing. Your attacks have to affect is the timing is off, making the crane actually very effective as long as the timing is right.
Why did I never hear that cartoon until now?... animation for the intro looked good, and stupid can be fun?
Mr.Miagi LOST!!!! WHAT?! THATS BS!
Mr. Miyagi's chores did a lot for Daniel other than teach him motions in the background. It worked his muscles to the bone and tested not only Daniel's patience, but his physical and mental endurance. You can even see that it tested Daniel's promise to Mr. Miyagi to learn from him, no questions asked. Not to mention, Mr. Han did not once try to correct Dre as he was doing the same damn motions over and over again. Mr. Miyagi checked in on Daniel and made it very clear how he was supposed to do the motions. It's not as simple as one explained why and one didn't.
You cannot tell me seriously that Mr. Miyagi didn't learn a thing from Daniel. Mr. Miyagi had to learn to get along with someone far younger in years after having never taken care of a son. He didn't even get the chance, where as Mr. Han actually had a son for a while.
If there's only bad teachers, then there's no reason the asian kid in 2010 should have been as bat-shit crazy as he was.
Agreed. I think Doug said this because it was a newer film. Remember that this review is from 2011 which is a year after the Remake. In other words, it still had that new car smell to it. I doubt he would say the same thing a decade later, especially since Cobra Kai has become a phenomenon.
@@lancethefilmguy9392 "There's only bad teachers" was mentioned by Kreese numerous times in Cobra Kai
Now look in 2018 with Cobra Kai being amazing Nostalgia Critic was wayy off
It proves the original was far deeper than he could have ever imagined
Sometimes when I watch these video I feel like you haven't seen the movies in a while