BMW e92 335i N54 Port Injection Install: 17T Hybrid Build
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- Опубліковано 8 кві 2020
- BMW 335i N54 Port Injection Install: 17T Hybrid Build
A quick video on the port injection kit i have just installed on the 17T hybrid turbo build. This was purchased second hand and is an older kit, however, the install process is very much the same for most N54 and N55 Port Injection kits. Let us know if you have any questions.
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My port injection was secondhand. But i may switch to a PI manifold shortly.
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So grateful that all of this info is there for us all to learn and to be archived for our future hopes and dreams of N54 madness! LOL. I must say I still have slim hopes that you'll (You meaning Andrew) will buy another N54 car and bring us all back to the tracks I enjoyed so much and learned from too. But it's his channel and whatever he finds his passion in is all good.
You guys are N54 Heroes I love this channel so much
this reminds me of the old RS500 some what from back in the day. this is the way I would go with it, a plus with this is there will be fuel now cleaning the ports and the back of the valves
Brilliant! Can’t wait for the end result of all the mods
Well done guys i need to look into this to stop dreaded carbon build up.
Great job mates! Very educational!
Thanks Rinaldo. What do you do drive?
Great vids guys. Loving the content. May go the same direction after seeing your results!!
Thanks man, if you have any questions about anything we have done just let us know. This is by far the cheapest way of making power with these motors. It might not be the best way, but we will see how it ends up......
@@ZeroTo60Tube looking forward to the results!!
How do they work? Dose a Hobbs switch fuel pump go in?
Definitely excited to see it all come together. I'm looking at an intake manifold myself. The doc race is so nice... but the Phoenix racing is definitely cheaper haha. This is in the future tho. Build list is a list indeed. MMP 1k turbos are nice as well. Me being a 6AT im curious how far I can take the trans. Thanks for sharing videos guys!
As I installed this kit, I looked back at everything wedged in the engine bay and thought I need a manifold with the port injection built in.
The doc race ones look sexy, but you do have to pay for that sex appeal. I haven’t spent much time looking in to manifolds, but I think once the budget part of this build is finished and I pay my credit cards off 🤣, I’ll be switching the China fuel pumps first then installing a new intake manifold. They are the only 2 parts I don’t like on this car at the moment.
MMP 1k’s are also amazing from what I have read. Maybe one day when these cheap china ones die.
Regarding your trans, ive seen guys kissing 650whp on stock trans. They don’t last forever but they get 20k miles out of them and second hand they are fairly cheap.
Hopefully today I’ll get the latest xHP maps loaded with the higher line pressure it will reduce the chance of the clutches slipping on high power shifts and in turn extend the life of these transmissions on high power cars. Should be good!
@@ZeroTo60Tube yep for sure! Very beautiful but expensive. Phoenix racing isn't bad compared. I'm definitely budget minded myself. Everything about my E60 has been budget. I'm Definitely interested in seeing what those China turbos can do. But was thinking myself. Run the mmp at lower boost and turn it up every once in awhile. Or go all out and do a manual swap or built trans. So many variables.
@@ZeroTo60Tube going on the stock trans lasting 20k let’s say I want to be roughly around 500whp or 450whp do you think my trans will last especially since I’m at 128k rn and it has had a walnut blast but I’m also looking forward to doing a transmission flush or refresh but I wanna make sure it’s reliable enough just for a couple of year you think I’d be able to get out 50k miles on it if I’m on XHP as well? I just want it to last enough to the point when I’d want a manual I can get it but rn I’m just stock with a charge pipe and BOV precatioun with the old charge pipe haha but I just wanna know can I be reliable at 450whp or 500whp with the 6AT? Or would you say be best around?
I haven't really been paying close attention to the whole prot injection idea yet as I've been spending my pennies on everything else so far but this will be coming soon. I didn't realize that it is a "Supplementation" to the OG system. I had thought it was a complete replacement. But now I get it. (I'm a slow learner lol). Thanks again guys!
haha yeah only until recently could you go port injection completely and delete the DI
What are extended intake manifold studs dimensions? Thread and length? Your videos are good and educational. Keep doing what you do. 👍🏽
I am sorry, but i didnt measure them before i fitted them. If you are based in the states you can get them from Black Market Parts pretty cheaply.
I need upgraded fueling but I don't have a jb4. I'm wondering if you would recommend port injection or overdriven hpfp
Its definitely a personal preference thing. The overdriven HPFP option does work the stock fuel pump and injectors more. The long term affects of that on a frequently used vehicle is probably unknown right now. The advantage is you have less failure points. The port injection, removes a lot of stress from the stock fuel system, but you now how another 6 injectors and a control module that could fail. I prefer port inject right now, because its been around for nearly 6 years on the N54s, its relatively well tested. The double barrel overdrive kits have been around for a while, yes, but i still see people switching to port injection from a double barrel setup. The helix kits are very new, the first wave of installs had issues with the bracket holding the bump and cracking the vacuum housing, the new billet brackets are now on cars, so it will be another 6-12 months before we see reliability of the Helix system properly tested. If the helix system works and doesn't hurt the HPFP which is now being spun 3-4 times faster than it was designed for and also the extra flow doesnt where your stock injectors any more i'd probably go for that. But make sure you have a new HPFP already and also index 12 injectors.
I would like to upgrade my stock turbos and go for 550whp max(now I run FBO) but the problem is that we don’t have access to eblends at all.any suggestion for fueling?thank u guys!go on the great job you are doing!
Hey There, you will reach your goals fairly easily with hybrid turbos and meth. But it will take quite a lot of meth. 550whp will be very fast car. Close to 700hp at the crank. So you will have to work for it with full supporting mods.
Thoughts on doing this over something like the Phoenix Racing PI manifold? Also, is controlling the PI still a worry? I know many people just go with upgrade HPFP’s instead because the presumption is it’s easier to deal with. Not sure how true that is, though. Aftermarket solutions keep changing, which I suppose isn’t a bad thing for us car guys lol.
I like the phoenix style manis. Might want to check out todays video on the channel. Just about to do my latest PI install with reflex
So regarding the port injection does it just deliver extra fuel on top of the stock direct injection?
Correct, the dme still reads afrs so with the Pi fuel it takes load of the factory system.
Hey do you guys have the AIC 1 Split second controller
Not in this car. This is a jb4 Pi set up
I have a question about the dual fuel injection setup, will the port injectors be the primary or will it be throttle and rpm dependenant based on the tune?
The port injection is the secondary fuel system. So for all the normal driving, the car still runs through the ultra efficient factory direct injection which stays on all the time even under high load. The port injection will kick in at a predetermined level, it will use a few factors to calculate how much fuel to pump through the port injection, but it really comes down to load on the engine and how close the stock system is getting to its limits. From memory the BMS controller turns the second low pressure fuel pump on at about 7-8psi so the port injection wont be working under that at all and it will feed in as much as needed to maintain required AFRs. This should be more than enough fuel for my power goals, so i dont think port injection will ever be working flat out.
Thanks for your feedback
Do you know if you add that port injection kit can you run the car stock with no issues? In case you wanna pass emissions then reflash to the "go fast tune" again.
Yes. In currently running the car as if the port injection isn’t there. Got one more performance test to do then hopefully enable it tomorrow. 😁
@@ZeroTo60Tube Nice sounds good. That looks pretty easy to do too.
Are those connectors on port injectors for AIC?
They are just standard Bosch injector plugs. But they will connector to however you are controlling the port injection.
Forgive me if you have posted it in other videos, but have you had any issues with your fuel pump control module (ekp)? I have heard a lot of guys had them over heat because of the higher voltage the walboros run.
I thought i was having issues, but it wasnt actually the ekp. I do have a china ekp in it at the moment, but still have my original.
@@ZeroTo60Tube I have seen a video where you can modify the stock one with some thermal pads and I even saw a post where a guy even went to the extent of having his mechanic wire up a computer fan to help cool it. If you don't mind could you point me in the direction of the China EKP? All I have seen is the $700 evolution of speed upgrade available through ECS. Thanks!
@@socalfritos9452 From my understanding its the mosfets (or something) that over heat on the EKP2 which these cars had when new. The EKP3 had a different style of mosfet, so they dont suffer from the over heating issues. However i have read of quite a few people simply cooling the EKP2 and not having issues once done. I like the customisation options on the evolution of speed version and the ability to control multiple pumps. But with my JB4 PI controller the stock ekp3 seems sweet.
@@ZeroTo60Tube Right on!! I appreciate the input my friend! I am hoping mine will hold up with my piggyback walboro 450 set up and 15 psi hobbs switch. Just got my 17t's in so I am starting my journey😬😬
Hi, rewatching this again. After you installed the port injectors and went on your drive, did you have to flash a tune before you went on your drive?
I did yes, i switched to the BMS PI Hybrid turbo map. Now the map is for upgraded turbos, so that wouldn't work perfectly with the stock turbos ( i think this is just in relation to vanos and timing tip in tbh). But the main thing is the PI hybrid flash has a different fuel scaler which reduces how much effort the stock DI fuel pumps in. If you don't switch maps you will possibly run too rich and throw a fault code.
Zero To 60 , thank you. I was thinking that somewhere out there, there is a OTS map for stock turbos because i was planning on using PI to supplement extra fuel because i only want to run pump gas (no e85) on my car. This answered all the questions in my head.
@@bennyang8049 You shouldn't really need PI unless you are running an ethanol blend. You will need some sort of octane booster like meth tho. So if you are running more than say 22psi but no e85, meth will be worth looking in to. Over 22psi on pump fuel you'll probably run in to knock issues regardless of how much pump fuel you can pump in. Most people will only use port injection for e85, or advanced meth injection. Not normally needed for pump fuel. E85 is the cheapest way to make power with the N54s. But next in line in meth injection. It all comes down to how well the N54 picks up knock and how it will pull timing.
Hi does this port injection mod need to be engineered in Aus?
I don't believe you need these engineered in Australia, however, please don't take my word for it. It doesn't really change the factory fuel system, it is a seperate supplementary setup.
Does this replace the original index injectors ?
No its just extra fuel on top of the DI. DI is not very good for making power, this extra fuel helps get past that 600hp mark
Instead of walnut blast every so often.
Can I just get port injection on the stock motor.?
I'm asking.
I thought the same thing. As soon as you have port injection you are going to have fuel running through the intake ports and that will help clean everything. I was concerned that it might dislodge a large chunk of carbon build up and in turn drop in to the engine, get caught in a valve etc, which is why i wanted to clean my valves before installing the port injection. However, now i have actually seen the carbon build up, it was really soft compared to what i was expecting, so it might be fine to put port injection on and hope for the best. In reality for the time it takes to walnut blast, or even what it costs to pay a shop to do it, you really should just clean everything then you know it will stay clean with the port injection.
it would in theory help a little
but remember you're not spraying anything out of the port injectors unless you're @ or near full throttle, and carbon buildup mostly occurs at cruise. if you've plugged the ports in the head and externalized the PCV, i'd say that in that case, yes, it probably entirely eliminates the need for walnut blasting then.
I'm a noob so by running the port injection does it rely on the port injectors only and not the gdi's? And do you gain power by running these plus why did you do this thanks!
The port injection simply supplements the DI under high load situations. So the DI is still doing the fuel most of the time. The port scales in based on boost and rpm. The easiest way to think about it is, the dme is trying to target a specific air fuel ratio. So the amount of fuel the DI pumps is not fixed, it's always checking the AFR and adjusting fuel flow through the DME. As the port injection adds fuel the DME simply winds its fuel back to meet the desired AFR. Which in turn reduces stress on the HPFP and di injectors. I went with the port injection as its by far most tried and tested method. Nearly all fast DI cars on any platform use supplementary port injection. This type of setup with both PI and DI is stock on the V10 lambos. Also N54s now have the ability to turn off the spark plug on a cylinder if there are any issues with the DI, so if the DME wants to shut a cylinder down, the port injection may keep firing for a split second, that cylinder wont go lean as the spark is shut off. With that feature its pretty much impossible to blow an N54 up with port injection. Port injection has the ability to make more power than any other option and it does it while reducing the stress on the direct injection. Lastly if you use a controller like the JB4 and BMS pi controller, the JB4 will limit boost if it senses any issues with the port injection. (It monitors current draw, if an injector isn't drawing normal amounts of current your car wont boost).
@@ZeroTo60Tube wow I think I will do this when I go up in the mods, i just saw this other big UA-cam channel do the overdrive helix and his timing chain blew so it seems as if this might be the better option thanksss!!!! You have really really REALLY good content on n54 mods
@@EdmBassHead Thanks man, although we are not mechanics, we have been involved in parts supply, and racing and running workshops for nearly 20 years. We generally have a better idea what will work better than most. Even if we have no idea how to use tools..... haha.
Might be silly question but would this be useful with pump gas ?
Not a silly question at all. I wondered the same thing. The reality it doesn't help with pump gas. The octane on pump gas ends up being the limitation. The stock fuel system will flow enough pump gas to roll low to mid 500whp with big turbos. If you want to break the 600whp number you really need to be looking at e85 or meth. You can use this systems for meth injection. So if you dont have e85 available you run the same spacer and rail but feed it water meth and that when you will pull some decent numbers.
It is a better way to run high volumes of meth than the bungs in the charge pipe.
is there any long term negative effects of a fuel system like this?
Not to the engine or stock fuel system. It actually reduces the stress on the stock fuel pump and injections. The only downside is adding a few more points of failure. You now have another 6 injectors and another module. My take is, these cars already have about 100 points of failure from the factory so whats another 7....hehe. So really i don't see them as negative effects. Port injection has been going on N54s for well over 5 years now. If installed properly it should be relatively problem free.
@@ZeroTo60Tube thanks for the fast feed back, dont even have an n54 yet but ive been looking for one for about 8 months now lol. Future build plans ya know
I'm going to do the same thing. However I just have MHD tune. Does the BMP module integrate straight to DME and work with MHD?
No, but thats not a problem. You will just need the AIC6 controller. That controller is tried and test and works well. The BMS controller, just uses a few more parameters to calculate port injection flow and it was cheaper for me as well :P. But yeah look in to the AIC6 controller, that also works perfectly with the motiv flex fuel sensor module as well. Flex fuel on one of these would be amazing.
@@ZeroTo60Tube thanks for the advice. My n54 has only done 67,000 kms, you reckon i should still walnut blast?
Have a look at the intake and valves. If there’s anything on them, decide from there. If the build up is very minimal the port injection will clean, but if there a reasonable build, just do the right thing and clean it.
P.s we just got back from testing if the walnut clean improved performance, it did, more than we were expecting.
@@ZeroTo60Tube nice, mine has VRSF 7.5 inch FMIC, VRSF CP, Delphi coils, ngk 1 step colder plugs with MHD stage 1+ tune. With boost leak (didn't tighten one silicon pipe), i managed 385HP at the wheels. The 335 is truly a beast! Looking forward to your next upload.
I'm bolting on some 19t Chinese turbos tonight. Mine are blowing oil. You put yours on yet??
Starting the process right now. Where did you get the 19ts from?
@@ZeroTo60Tube Ebay...China special. Took 5 days. I'm about half way to the turbos now
I hadnt seen 19ts from china. Ahhh awesome regardless.
Where did you get the wire harness
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Nvm i finally got my motiv reflex +
which bosch injectors you order?
The ones in this video were non genuine 750cc, then ended up leaking..... didn’t like 70psi fuel pressure. The manufacturers wouldn’t warrant them for use about 50psi which was a bit shit.
Ended up using genuine Bosch 500cc injectors I’ll have the part number in Pi update video
@@ZeroTo60Tube great. Imma go check ot out.
@@ZeroTo60Tube The top o-rings on my used Motiv PI rail are shot. Figured it was best to just change out the injectors, also. They are about 4 yrs old. Same as yours, I think. 500 or 550 psi.
Can you add methanol into this type of setup or just run it on meth to get 600 whp and low intake temps. How would you compare meth port injection to gasoline port injection advantages and disadvantages.
You can run meth and if you dont have access to e85 meth is a must. However i think if you can get e85 at the pump it is the way to go.
Who will you be getting tuned by?
Im not sure 100% on the hybrid tune yet. Any recomendations?
Zero To 60 yeah I would go with Ken from Wedge Performance 100% hes tuned these 17ts before and made 600+ wheel or @pure_evil_tuning on insta for a kill map. Twisted Tuning is also a great company theres many though.
Currently working with @pure_evil_tuning for a tune for my 335is. Jason has been responsive and quick with getting the tune out to me. Would recommend.
The high power steering pump.... Hahaha
Yeah, i was equally as shocked when i watched that footage back....
@@ZeroTo60Tube ,🤣
Have you fitted the turbos yet? If so where is the video?😂
Not yet, it’s coming though. We have to get the car ready for the turbos. Did you watch the video explaining all the supported mods that are needed for the hybrids?
Zero To 60 I think so bud, only reason I’m saying this is because I have the 16T turbos about 3ft away from me and wanna see how much of a struggle it’s going to be haha.
To be honest I don’t thinks it’s going to be too bad. I will be removing the subframe which only takes about hour so, should have good access. My biggest concern is battling with misfires when I wind them up. Which is why I’m fitting things one at a time, driving it for a day or so, making sure it’s all sweet then moving on to the next part.
The port injection was the last piece of the puzzle before the the turbos. Hopefully have that working tomorrow or Monday at the latest. I’ve already paid for a “kill tune” for the stock turbos so I might run that for a week and see what times I can get with the stockies on full e85. Well see this virus is causing some problems with work tho. I’m hoping I don’t loose my workshop space.