I own a Surly Ogre. Absolutely love it! Commuting, bike packing, pulling a trailer, it does it all without any issues. Keep in mind, I am a 300# rider as well. Durable, versatile....you can't go wrong with the Ogre.
@@ottawabikeandtrailnot really, the Ogre has the better dropouts, trailer hitching options and Internal gear hub options. Also old ogre had weight limit of 165 kilos, now the bridge club has a limit of 136 kilos.
I bought a holdover black Bridge Club with the Deore drive train. I’m loving the bike and its versatility, but I changed the 30 tooth front chain ring and installed a 34 tooth. I still have plenty of low gearing for hills, but gained 10 gear inches on the high end. I also installed the 8 pack front rack. Great rack, and like everything Surly makes, it’s built like a tank. I also have a Long Haul Trucker that’s about 10 years old. Both bikes are extremely versatile, and between the 2, I have most riding situations covered.
Ive got the 2023 Ogre from my local Surly supplier here in Oz. Love it. Ive since fitted Sunrise bars and 8pack rack on it plus muckynutz fenders. My commute is a bit of trail riding and road - it also makes a great pub bike.
As a 70's kid, I was a one bike man; woods paths, gravel, road, jumps, wheelies. As a 60 year old, I'm still a one bike man and, the Surly Bridge Club is the cat's meow, it's cracker jack. I feel like a kid when I'm on it with a hooligan grin at the corner of my mouth. It's the bee's knees.
At 59, I am one year behind you and feel the same about my new Krampus. It’s just a simple and fun bike to ride. I just gave away my Felt carbon 29er and am about to do the same with my Scott CR1 and Specialized Tarmac.
Built my first surly in 2020. Wanted the ogre, but, being the pandemic, settled on the Bridgeclub. It has served me well as a daily all weather commuter carrying 2 loaded panniers.
I just sold my Ogre and just built up a Krampus in First Loser Silver with 1x11 XT, Microshift thumb shifter, Paul’s Klampers, Ritchey cockpit, Brooks Swift saddle, and WTB/DTSwiss wheelset wrapped with Knards. .
I live in Montana and I have the 2023 ogre after switching from my Kona Sutra that had slippage problems with the dropper post in the frame. I change the seat and change the bars to the salsa factory band deluxe and gloss black, some Ergon grips and 2.25 maxis Race Rekon. next step will be an improvement with the mechanical brakes and that will do it. I intend on riding this on the last great ride in whitefish Montana for 91 miles this summer.
Thank you for the explanation on these two bicycles. I haven't found my Surly yet but I am in the hunt. This video has helped me understand these two models better.
@@johnysky6066They were pretty similar in function. I think that’s why they discontinued the ECR. I think the biggest difference was that the ECR was built around 3” wheel. The OGRE has a little less tire clearance, 2.5-2.8 inches.
I'm really impressed with their rear dropout and brake mounting (horizontal sliders) surfaces on the Ogre. I haven't used anything like that for brakes, but I presume it's to allow rotor upgrades without the use of adapters? Very cool imho.
Bridge club, small frame, build it myself !!, By spring Hopefully!! P.S. own a Crosscheck , small ! , a E C R 29" Small , A straggler frame (TOO SMALL) XS, Will , sell in spring ! Looking forward to building the Bridge Club bike With most of those parts, and the 27.5 wheel set I have on hand !! I spend most of my time, riding bike paths to dirt roads , In the middle of nowhere !! I am a 50,s kid!! My sisters are still waiting for me to grow out of the bicycle phase !!! They jump on my bikes in a heartbeat though to go riding with me.
I own a surly ogre and love it. Great all-around bike. I have it set up as a commuter with fenders and panniers. It's a great bike that will last for years
Would love to get an ogre but when I was ready to buy one the LBS didn't have one my size back in 2023...so I got a BC and love the bike...but I'm seriously thinking of getting your conversion kit to go to 2x drivetrain so I can get more gear range for touring. But one thing I'd like all bike companies who make bikes would be to have an option to get the rear triangle split so you could install a gates carbon belt drive to work with an IGH on rear wheel.
Was so excited to hear there's a shop in Ottawa with a full range of Surlys in stock. Then I realised it's a different Ottawa. In any case, cheers from Ottawa, ON Canada..
We get that a lot!! We do ship to Canada if you need anything. Unfortunately, shipping bikes is usually too expensive. But we do ship accessories and components to customers in Canada.
I live in the Netherlands Europe and own a Surly ecr which look the same as the Ogre here except it has a dark brown color. Build with a Shimano SLX 30 gear drivetrain and Topeak rear rack and right up touring position, the 3 inch Knards are doing well in dry sand conditions. Not at all at the moment here btw, many places in nature are flooded now. 😂 Surly is a seldom appearance where I live, although people here do a lot of mtb riding. I specifically like the classic looks and the versatility of the bikes. I love to tinker with my bikes. So, I hope that they stick with what they do.
I just visited Amsterdam for a few days. We left yesterday. I didn’t see any Surlys! Glad to hear there are a few out there. Are there any Surly dealers in the Netherlands? We had rain for most of our visit so I didn’t get to ride. Maybe next time.
@@ottawabikeandtrailI hope you enjoyed your stay here and yes this time we had much more rain than normal. MTB routes are in many cases blocked by water in lower terrain. I bought mine in Eindhoven nearby but this shop is closed (personal reasons I think) a few years back. There's an online shop called 'Just Pedal Bikeshop' that I know of. They offer frames, parts and so on. It seems that there is not a lot around, only some shops who know and like Surly, however the parts are there anyway. 😀 I love unusual bikes like this ecr I own.
Love my bridge club but I’m liking the changes made to the fork. Less is better in this case. Helps with turning radius when attaching bigger bags. Thanks for the comparison
Enjoyed that, thanx, a Brit riding a gen 1 2007 KM in XL frame size (some call it a Riv-Monkey style wise...) in NE Thailand, 30 miles from the Mighty Mekong river and the Laos border. Subsribed.
I bought an Ogre frame set in 2022 and built it up custom. It is an incredibly versatile bike that can be built up so many ways. One thing I would say is that you do need a little more knowledge of bikes to get good results out of the rear end because of the sliding dropout. So while the sliding dropouts give you a huge amount of drivetrain options they do complicate things just a little bit. Totally worth it for me though, this bike is an absolute tank and so fun to ride, pure fun, loads up great for touring or makes a fun rigid MTB. It really does everything and it's always a blast to ride.
I got a second hand Surly Ogre last week! I hadn’t had a bike more than 10years. I cycled perth to Sydney in Aus without any knowledge About 5000 with Ogre absolutely amazing bike. It didn’t make big problem some times small issues but that one was from my ignorance of bike haha btw I’m cycling from Cape to Cairo with same bike this time i got more issues than before because of dirt roads and gravel roads but still my bike’s been amazing! I am truly happy i got this one from second hand market! I recommend ogre!
I live in Alaska and had a 2013 ogre for many years. I traded it for an ECR that I really didn’t care for actually. I sold ECR and put the money towards a custom bridge club with SRAM eagle gx drive and e13 9-50 in the back and 38 up front with sun ringle carbon wheels and the molokos. I much prefer this to ogre. I have the surly ET in 27.5x2.5 and find it to be the true jack of all trades (master of none) bike. The ogre feels bomb proof, which is awesome, but the BC is far more playful (in my experience) and over all much more fun to ride. I live in Fairbanks and throw some 27.5x2.8 studded cake eaters for winter and it does really well, except for in deep snow. But usually it doesn’t snow a ton here; just super duper cold
@ as a bike packing rig that is dedicated to purely off road - it’s amazing. I needed something that could be snappier and quicker on roads. I liked the fit and capabilities of the bike, just wasn’t perfect for my needs
A huge thank you to Surly for retaining the venerable IS brake mounting standard. It's a versatile, common, widely used standard that's easy to understand, making it easy to service and upgrade the brakes and, in conjunction with external routing, even swap them out at any time for different riding needs.
Awesome! I had a Surly Ghost Grappler v1 until it got stolen, I really love that bike so now I am in the market to get my next Surly, I am thinking the Ogre and make it a drop bar bike hopefully it would have the same lively feel like the Ghost grappler.
I had ride both of it. It's all about where is your planning ride in it. If you'll ride it most of the time in forest which have mostly wild roads, bridge club can be better option. If your paths are less wild compare to fully jungle; like %75 dirt road and %25 wild forest then Ogre can be better. The bikes have very close riding genre so other options can be more important then these slight differences. Like if you have favorite personal tyre size or wanna gear-hub or not. My path was more wild but i selected the Ogre because there is an Rohloff option
2020 Bridge Club owner here. The OEM SX 1x12 was horrible. I now have a podge of NX and GX but a switch to CUES 2x11 next year. IMO the Eagle is just not stout enough for loaded touring. I love my BC. I do wish it had had the Ogre thru axle and drop out. The add of a kick stand mount on the BC is great. I use a Click Stand.
I would love to see an ogre vs. krampus comparison. How Surly makes all purpose bikes but yet I still can't decide between them is beyond me. LONG LIVE SURLY!
I own a Surly Preamble. I wanted a Cross Check, but I did not find one. I have the straight bar version with a few upgrades. I like gravel and added gravel tires. It's used as a cool commuter bike. Non racing. Lol. I am here to better understand the difference in the bikes.
I see a Tanglefoot in the background. I came here to say that a Tanglefoot Hardtack is a better choice than the Surlys. Primarily due to thru axles and a much longer front center on the Hardtack.
Good eye! Yes, we are a Tanglefoot dealer and we also love the Hardtack. The bike in the background is a Moonshiner. Videos on our Hardtack builds will be coming soon.
I have both the bridge club and the ogre. The verdict is still out, but my rear wheel on my ogre is little bit canted is there a shim or something I put in there or do you just put it where the wheel is center and then tighten the bolts or not
Center the wheel and tighten the axle bolts. If possible move the axel all the way to the front of the dropout. This should make sure everything is aligned. But, it depends on how the bike was setup.
I have the new Bridge Club with the kickstand mount and I am having issues. m5 screws are too small and M6 screws are too big. Surely it's supposed to be one of those?!
I have a 2020 Surly Ogre in L. SKS fenders, 2 inch tyres and Tubus Logo rack. Rizer MTB bar. Use it as a commuter with Schwalbe Marathon Supreme. Deore/SLX mix. 100-150km a week.
The Ogre uses Surly Universal Thru Axel in the rear. Many of their bikes use the Universal Thru Axel front and rear. But, you are correct on Bridge Club, it's QR only.
@@ottawabikeandtrail thats so annoying. i wouldnt really call the rear a "thru axle" it uses a horizontal drop out and still will have alignment issues. which is the sole reason i prefer thru axle over QR. disc alignment and no chance it just sliding out of drop out. i wish surly would get their head of their ass and realize the people want thru axles not some proprietary "universal" thru axle. I guess im not getting surly what a shame because it checks every box besides thru axles
thank you so much for this great explanation. I have some questions. first, can i put on Bridge club a Rohloff naaf? second, i am a woman which is160 cm and i see that Bridge has xs and Ogre not . which one you think is better for me ? should i buy a ogre S , or a xs Bridge ? I am going to Mongolie so mountain . Thank you so much .
If you are set on a Rohloff Hub I would go with an Ogre. You can make a BC work, but it will be difficult. Since you are building a wheel I would consider getting the wheels built as 27.5 rather than 29 if you need a smaller bike. This will make the bike easier to handle and better for a smaller ride. Obviously I don’t know your size, but if the small Ogre is close the smaller wheels might give you the right fit.
Both bikes will be fine if you get the right size. But, I prefer the smaller 27.5" wheel size of the Bridge Club for shorter riders. If you want the other capabilities of the Ogre you could put a smaller 27.5" wheel on it and have a very similar fit and ride as the Bridge Club.
That's for the review of the two bikes. Did you say there's no inner eyelet on the Ogre fork? So a Tubus Duo front rack can now only be installed on the BC, not on the Ogre? Why do you think they did that?
As a shorter rider who prefers basic bikes with highly standardized components that just work as designed and as intended out of the box, the Bridge Club would be the no-brainer choice for me.
These bike's look heavy duty.. I notice how the cables are continuous throughout the design. I wonder how that effects maintenance.? Sort of ziptied on there..
I hope not. I think Surly dropped the Troll and ECR to consolidate down to the Bridge Club and Ogre in the All-Road touring group. I'd like to think this is a good mix.
Someone designed a 3D plug inset into the space on the rear of the BC that allows you to mount the kickstand....would like to see those made so BC owners could just buy one instead of hunting down a 3D printing company to make one from the CAD drawings.
Жаль эти велосипеды не продаются в России. Но зачем они уменьшили количество бонок на вилке в два раза? На старые вилки можно было повесить гораздо больше багажа.
My 2022 Ogre has water color for paint - pure junk. The rear wheel flexes hard on corners. The frame mounts are awesome, bike pedals easy and rolls forever. Will go for "normal people" brand if anything comes out in touring bikes. In mean while will paint frame and fork.
What color was your Ogre? Some of the paint holds up better than others. I’ve never really had a paint problem, but I have seen a few colors that were more prone to scratches.
The biggest bummer to me is that i bought a moss green bridge club 1month before the updated model came on the market.... And the bummer is that i wanted a peg-stand but i couldnt without wrecking the frame , i mean i cant live without a peg stand ,,now i cant plus i could if only i knew and i had waited....
I own a Surly Ogre. Absolutely love it! Commuting, bike packing, pulling a trailer, it does it all without any issues. Keep in mind, I am a 300# rider as well. Durable, versatile....you can't go wrong with the Ogre.
Yes, either bike is great for bigger riders!
@@ottawabikeandtrailnot really, the Ogre has the better dropouts, trailer hitching options and Internal gear hub options. Also old ogre had weight limit of 165 kilos, now the bridge club has a limit of 136 kilos.
Can u tow camper with it?
I bought a holdover black Bridge Club with the Deore drive train. I’m loving the bike and its versatility, but I changed the 30 tooth front chain ring and installed a 34 tooth. I still have plenty of low gearing for hills, but gained 10 gear inches on the high end. I also installed the 8 pack front rack. Great rack, and like everything Surly makes, it’s built like a tank. I also have a Long Haul Trucker that’s about 10 years old. Both bikes are extremely versatile, and between the 2, I have most riding situations covered.
Yes, glad you like the Bridge Club. The LHT and Bridge Club are a great combination.
Ive got the 2023 Ogre from my local Surly supplier here in Oz. Love it. Ive since fitted Sunrise bars and 8pack rack on it plus muckynutz fenders. My commute is a bit of trail riding and road - it also makes a great pub bike.
Love the Sunrise bars for an Ogre! Thanks for watching.
Have had an Ogre with Jones bars for about 10 years. Fantastic bike. Lots of miles and smiles.
As a 70's kid, I was a one bike man; woods paths, gravel, road, jumps, wheelies. As a 60 year old, I'm still a one bike man and, the Surly Bridge Club is the cat's meow, it's cracker jack. I feel like a kid when I'm on it with a hooligan grin at the corner of my mouth. It's the bee's knees.
If you are going to have one bike the Bridge Club is a great choice for sure! Thanks for watching!
At 59, I am one year behind you and feel the same about my new Krampus. It’s just a simple and fun bike to ride.
I just gave away my Felt carbon 29er and am about to do the same with my Scott CR1 and Specialized Tarmac.
That’s the bike I need! I’m getting a BC.
Me too...b
But now one for trals one for pavment
Built my first surly in 2020. Wanted the ogre, but, being the pandemic, settled on the Bridgeclub. It has served me well as a daily all weather commuter carrying 2 loaded panniers.
Yeah, the pandemic really put a limit on availability.
I just sold my Ogre and just built up a Krampus in First Loser Silver with 1x11 XT, Microshift thumb shifter, Paul’s Klampers, Ritchey cockpit, Brooks Swift saddle, and WTB/DTSwiss wheelset wrapped with Knards. .
I live in Montana and I have the 2023 ogre after switching from my Kona Sutra that had slippage problems with the dropper post in the frame. I change the seat and change the bars to the salsa factory band deluxe and gloss black, some Ergon grips and 2.25 maxis Race Rekon. next step will be an improvement with the mechanical brakes and that will do it. I intend on riding this on the last great ride in whitefish Montana for 91 miles this summer.
We've had great luck with Paul Klampers and Yokozuna brakes if you want to stick with mechanical.
I have the same problems on my Kona Sutra hmmmmm
@@ottawabikeandtrailhow about TRP HY/RD brakes?
Thank you for the explanation on these two bicycles. I haven't found my Surly yet but I am in the hunt. This video has helped me understand these two models better.
You bet, thanks for watching!
@@ottawabikeandtrailHi is there a big difference between ECR and Ogre?
@@johnysky6066They were pretty similar in function. I think that’s why they discontinued the ECR. I think the biggest difference was that the ECR was built around 3” wheel. The OGRE has a little less tire clearance, 2.5-2.8 inches.
I ride a straggler! But considering the Bridge Club to add to the stable.
N+1 right!
My wife has a bridge club and really likes it. We’ve ridden both the GAP and C&O and it worked great.
I'm really impressed with their rear dropout and brake mounting (horizontal sliders) surfaces on the Ogre. I haven't used anything like that for brakes, but I presume it's to allow rotor upgrades without the use of adapters? Very cool imho.
Bridge club, small frame, build it myself !!, By spring Hopefully!! P.S. own a Crosscheck , small ! , a E C R 29" Small , A straggler frame (TOO SMALL) XS, Will , sell in spring ! Looking forward to building the Bridge Club bike With most of those parts, and the 27.5 wheel set I have on hand !! I spend most of my time, riding bike paths to dirt roads , In the middle of nowhere !! I am a 50,s kid!! My sisters are still waiting for me to grow out of the bicycle phase !!! They jump on my bikes in a heartbeat though to go riding with me.
I just got an Ogre. My first Surly. So far I love it! Can't wait to push it on longer, rougher rides!
Great first Surly! My first was a Troll.
Great comparison video. Have you thought of a KarateMonkey vs Krampus video?
I own a surly ogre and love it. Great all-around bike. I have it set up as a commuter with fenders and panniers. It's a great bike that will last for years
Both 👍I have a 2018 Rover Brown Ogre and a 2023 Moss Green Bridge Club
Would love to get an ogre but when I was ready to buy one the LBS didn't have one my size back in 2023...so I got a BC and love the bike...but I'm seriously thinking of getting your conversion kit to go to 2x drivetrain so I can get more gear range for touring. But one thing I'd like all bike companies who make bikes would be to have an option to get the rear triangle split so you could install a gates carbon belt drive to work with an IGH on rear wheel.
Still have the kits available if you want one. The belt drive idea is a good one.
@@ottawabikeandtrail yes...especially for those doing the tour divide or riding from Alaska down to Argentina
Was so excited to hear there's a shop in Ottawa with a full range of Surlys in stock. Then I realised it's a different Ottawa.
In any case, cheers from Ottawa, ON Canada..
We get that a lot!! We do ship to Canada if you need anything. Unfortunately, shipping bikes is usually too expensive. But we do ship accessories and components to customers in Canada.
Just bought my bridge club from you all and it's ɓeen great. Jeff ordered the whipped butter color for me and added the 700 wheels. Thanks.
Yes! I think you got the first Whipped Butter bike.
Hi, nice detailed video. What size frames were each please?
Both are medium. I’m 5’9” and both fit me perfectly.
Just bought an Ogre because of this video. Can’t wait for it to get here.
This makes me really happy! Glad we could help. It’s such great bike.
I live in the Netherlands Europe and own a Surly ecr which look the same as the Ogre here except it has a dark brown color.
Build with a Shimano SLX 30 gear drivetrain and Topeak rear rack and right up touring position, the 3 inch Knards are doing well in dry sand conditions.
Not at all at the moment here btw, many places in nature are flooded now. 😂
Surly is a seldom appearance where I live, although people here do a lot of mtb riding.
I specifically like the classic looks and the versatility of the bikes.
I love to tinker with my bikes.
So, I hope that they stick with what they do.
I just visited Amsterdam for a few days. We left yesterday. I didn’t see any Surlys! Glad to hear there are a few out there. Are there any Surly dealers in the Netherlands? We had rain for most of our visit so I didn’t get to ride. Maybe next time.
@@ottawabikeandtrailI hope you enjoyed your stay here and yes this time we had much more rain than normal.
MTB routes are in many cases blocked by water in lower terrain.
I bought mine in Eindhoven nearby but this shop is closed (personal reasons I think) a few years back.
There's an online shop called 'Just Pedal Bikeshop' that I know of.
They offer frames, parts and so on.
It seems that there is not a lot around, only some shops who know and like Surly, however the parts are there anyway. 😀
I love unusual bikes like this ecr I own.
Love my bridge club but I’m liking the changes made to the fork. Less is better in this case. Helps with turning radius when attaching bigger bags. Thanks for the comparison
Totally agree, I like the tidy look of the new fork.
Unfortunately the WTB rim on that model ogre is cracking at the drive side spokes. So expect a warranty claim if you get any good amount of miles
Watching because I want a Surly. Just don't know which one. So many great models.
Enjoyed that, thanx, a Brit riding a gen 1 2007 KM in XL frame size (some call it a Riv-Monkey style wise...) in NE Thailand, 30 miles from the Mighty Mekong river and the Laos border.
Subsribed.
Nice! Thanks for watching!
AWESOME video. I'm trying to decide.....
I bought an Ogre frame set in 2022 and built it up custom. It is an incredibly versatile bike that can be built up so many ways. One thing I would say is that you do need a little more knowledge of bikes to get good results out of the rear end because of the sliding dropout. So while the sliding dropouts give you a huge amount of drivetrain options they do complicate things just a little bit. Totally worth it for me though, this bike is an absolute tank and so fun to ride, pure fun, loads up great for touring or makes a fun rigid MTB. It really does everything and it's always a blast to ride.
I agree! Thanks for watching.
I got a second hand Surly Ogre last week! I hadn’t had a bike more than 10years. I cycled perth to Sydney in Aus without any knowledge About 5000 with Ogre absolutely amazing bike. It didn’t make big problem some times small issues but that one was from my ignorance of bike haha btw I’m cycling from Cape to Cairo with same bike this time i got more issues than before because of dirt roads and gravel roads but still my bike’s been amazing! I am truly happy i got this one from second hand market! I recommend ogre!
Just curious, what do you think of ECR?
I live in Alaska and had a 2013 ogre for many years. I traded it for an ECR that I really didn’t care for actually. I sold ECR and put the money towards a custom bridge club with SRAM eagle gx drive and e13 9-50 in the back and 38 up front with sun ringle carbon wheels and the molokos. I much prefer this to ogre. I have the surly ET in 27.5x2.5 and find it to be the true jack of all trades (master of none) bike. The ogre feels bomb proof, which is awesome, but the BC is far more playful (in my experience) and over all much more fun to ride. I live in Fairbanks and throw some 27.5x2.8 studded cake eaters for winter and it does really well, except for in deep snow. But usually it doesn’t snow a ton here; just super duper cold
Out of curiosity what did you not like about the ECR?
@ as a bike packing rig that is dedicated to purely off road - it’s amazing. I needed something that could be snappier and quicker on roads. I liked the fit and capabilities of the bike, just wasn’t perfect for my needs
A huge thank you to Surly for retaining the venerable IS brake mounting standard. It's a versatile, common, widely used standard that's easy to understand, making it easy to service and upgrade the brakes and, in conjunction with external routing, even swap them out at any time for different riding needs.
Awesome! I had a Surly Ghost Grappler v1 until it got stolen, I really love that bike so now I am in the market to get my next Surly, I am thinking the Ogre and make it a drop bar bike hopefully it would have the same lively feel like the Ghost grappler.
Good man for staying out of prison for murdering whoever stole your Grappler
@@SummeRulz lol I almost did that good thing my local bike shop has a brand new old stock of the same bike and size so I got the Ghost Grappler again.
Hi 👋 whats the max tooth chain ring size when going 1X???
Is there a video comparing the Surly Ghost Grappler to these bikes?
Great idea!
How can you get any speed up with 32-11? My Crosscheck came with 48-11 which can easily leave me spinning on downhills
I had ride both of it. It's all about where is your planning ride in it. If you'll ride it most of the time in forest which have mostly wild roads, bridge club can be better option. If your paths are less wild compare to fully jungle; like %75 dirt road and %25 wild forest then Ogre can be better. The bikes have very close riding genre so other options can be more important then these slight differences. Like if you have favorite personal tyre size or wanna gear-hub or not. My path was more wild but i selected the Ogre because there is an Rohloff option
10:45 you can run 26+ on a BC, too
Which one to climb hills? Its all hills where i live,i have an ebike,but want to take a long ride without relying on a battery
2020 Bridge Club owner here. The OEM SX 1x12 was horrible. I now have a podge of NX and GX but a switch to CUES 2x11 next year. IMO the Eagle is just not stout enough for loaded touring. I love my BC. I do wish it had had the Ogre thru axle and drop out. The add of a kick stand mount on the BC is great. I use a Click Stand.
I would love to see an ogre vs. krampus comparison. How Surly makes all purpose bikes but yet I still can't decide between them is beyond me. LONG LIVE SURLY!
That would make a good video. I’ll work on it.
I own a Surly Preamble. I wanted a Cross Check, but I did not find one. I have the straight bar version with a few upgrades. I like gravel and added gravel tires. It's used as a cool commuter bike. Non racing. Lol. I am here to better understand the difference in the bikes.
I see a Tanglefoot in the background. I came here to say that a Tanglefoot Hardtack is a better choice than the Surlys. Primarily due to thru axles and a much longer front center on the Hardtack.
Good eye! Yes, we are a Tanglefoot dealer and we also love the Hardtack. The bike in the background is a Moonshiner. Videos on our Hardtack builds will be coming soon.
I have both the bridge club and the ogre. The verdict is still out, but my rear wheel on my ogre is little bit canted is there a shim or something I put in there or do you just put it where the wheel is center and then tighten the bolts or not
Center the wheel and tighten the axle bolts. If possible move the axel all the way to the front of the dropout. This should make sure everything is aligned. But, it depends on how the bike was setup.
Did you need an adaptor to install the Giant kickstand? Can I mount the same kickstand on my 2019 BC?
The new Bridge Club has the mounting point - no adapter needed. The older Bridge Club does not have a mounting point.
I have the new Bridge Club with the kickstand mount and I am having issues. m5 screws are too small and M6 screws are too big. Surely it's supposed to be one of those?!
Is there a kickstand that will fit the older Bridge Club?
Can the Ogre be built with a larger-range drivetrain? I need WAY more than 10 gears in VT......
I have a 2020 Surly Ogre in L. SKS fenders, 2 inch tyres and Tubus Logo rack. Rizer MTB bar. Use it as a commuter with Schwalbe Marathon Supreme. Deore/SLX mix. 100-150km a week.
Great information. Answered all my questions! Thanks!
but idk what to do with the rear hub, i have a hope hub which is a 135x9qr they said i need a special drop out to be able to fit that
Usually rear QR axels are 10mm. I would contact Hope and see if you have the right end caps for your hub.
Is 700x42 slick tire possible on Bridge Club? I have a wheel set I’d ideally want to use for road tours
Yes, it can go up to 47mm I believe in 700c.
Have LHT, but want more rugged all terrain bike for bikepacking
I got the Ogre love it.
Awesome! Thanks for watching.
Awesome breakdown thank you
Thanks for watching!
why no thru axles? putting me off of surly even though it checks every box
The Ogre uses Surly Universal Thru Axel in the rear. Many of their bikes use the Universal Thru Axel front and rear. But, you are correct on Bridge Club, it's QR only.
@@ottawabikeandtrail thats so annoying. i wouldnt really call the rear a "thru axle" it uses a horizontal drop out and still will have alignment issues. which is the sole reason i prefer thru axle over QR. disc alignment and no chance it just sliding out of drop out. i wish surly would get their head of their ass and realize the people want thru axles not some proprietary "universal" thru axle. I guess im not getting surly what a shame because it checks every box besides thru axles
thank you so much for this great explanation. I have some questions. first, can i put on Bridge club a Rohloff naaf? second, i am a woman which is160 cm and i see that Bridge has xs and Ogre not . which one you think is better for me ? should i buy a ogre S , or a xs Bridge ? I am going to Mongolie so mountain . Thank you so much .
If you are set on a Rohloff Hub I would go with an Ogre. You can make a BC work, but it will be difficult. Since you are building a wheel I would consider getting the wheels built as 27.5 rather than 29 if you need a smaller bike. This will make the bike easier to handle and better for a smaller ride. Obviously I don’t know your size, but if the small Ogre is close the smaller wheels might give you the right fit.
@@ottawabikeandtrail Thank you so much
@@ottawabikeandtrail i just dont understand wat is the meaning of BC work ?
What size are the bikes in the video and how tall is the presenter?
They are both mediums and I am 5’ 9”.
if I order an Ogre can I have it built up with a rohloff upon delivery?
Yes.
Great presentation!
My biggest regret is not buying the Illegal Smile BC when it was available a few years ago. That was my dream bike 😭
Is the Bridge Club better for shorter riders? I'm 5'6"
Both bikes will be fine if you get the right size. But, I prefer the smaller 27.5" wheel size of the Bridge Club for shorter riders. If you want the other capabilities of the Ogre you could put a smaller 27.5" wheel on it and have a very similar fit and ride as the Bridge Club.
Thank you so much! @@ottawabikeandtrail
Ogre just of the 29 inch tyres and the thru axle. Like the new ogre color.
That's for the review of the two bikes. Did you say there's no inner eyelet on the Ogre fork? So a Tubus Duo front rack can now only be installed on the BC, not on the Ogre? Why do you think they did that?
Yes, inner eyelet is gone. Not sure about Tubus but the Surly racks accommodate the wider mounting points on the outside of the fork.
Hi , I am from Vietnam . I.would like to purchase Surly Bridge Club . Can you answer me how much is it ?
They are $1499 US dollars. Shipping to Vietnam would be challenging.
Where can I buy surly? I'm from Malaysia
The bridge club has 141 qr boost hub no through axle and vertical dropout it has been a big No for me.
So I choose the Ogre and it's an amazing bike
As a shorter rider who prefers basic bikes with highly standardized components that just work as designed and as intended out of the box, the Bridge Club would be the no-brainer choice for me.
Same. 5 foot nothing
These bike's look heavy duty.. I notice how the cables are continuous throughout the design. I wonder how that effects maintenance.? Sort of ziptied on there..
How heavy are they?
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So helpful. Thank you.
I’ve an Ogre…..check it out …sometimes i’ll use a bob yak too 🙂👍🏻
I was recently facing the exact same dilemma and ended up with a straggler wtf?! 🤷
So that's why Surly had their first ever yard sale in the summer of 2023. That's when I got my Bridge Club.
OMG KRAMPUS ♥️ Will there be a video about this bike? :)
Probably! Krampus is a great bike.
I have a feeling the ogre is going to be gone soon. They seem too similar and times are too tough rn. Just like how the ECR is gone now.
I hope not. I think Surly dropped the Troll and ECR to consolidate down to the Bridge Club and Ogre in the All-Road touring group. I'd like to think this is a good mix.
Not a cheap bike and they use ‘cues’ group set!
Not what I expected.
Frame Bag???
Maybe I'll do a frame bag options video! The three bottle mounts should allow you to run a half frame bag with bottles.
On the new bridge club, can you mount the surly nice rack onto the front fork with the way the new mounting points are located?
Someone designed a 3D plug inset into the space on the rear of the BC that allows you to mount the kickstand....would like to see those made so BC owners could just buy one instead of hunting down a 3D printing company to make one from the CAD drawings.
Surly Pugsley for me
I'm a Bridge Club guy.
I got the Champagne Ogre. I love it!!!
Camera focus wrong
The new fork on the ogre is unfortunately catastrophic. The less mounts makes it almost useless for long distance adventures…
Жаль эти велосипеды не продаются в России. Но зачем они уменьшили количество бонок на вилке в два раза? На старые вилки можно было повесить гораздо больше багажа.
I probably will never buy a 1X.
My 2022 Ogre has water color for paint - pure junk. The rear wheel flexes hard on corners. The frame mounts are awesome, bike pedals easy and rolls forever. Will go for "normal people" brand if anything comes out in touring bikes. In mean while will paint frame and fork.
What color was your Ogre? Some of the paint holds up better than others. I’ve never really had a paint problem, but I have seen a few colors that were more prone to scratches.
ogre and troll here
The long haul trucker
Neither. 😂❤
The biggest bummer to me is that i bought a moss green bridge club 1month before the updated model came on the market.... And the bummer is that i wanted a peg-stand but i couldnt without wrecking the frame , i mean i cant live without a peg stand ,,now i cant plus i could if only i knew and i had waited....
Thank you for the video! Appreciate the thorough explanations.