Motley Crue - Can we defend Theatre of Pain?
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- Опубліковано 21 тра 2024
- Rock Daydream Nation panel chat featuring Joe B, Steve Deluxe, Michael Ladano and Melissa Nee (with a special cameo appearance from John Clauser)...We ask the question "Can we defend the Motley Crue album from 1985 Theatre of Pain"? We spotlight the songs, performances, the whole motley thing! Check out the show
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I enjoy it. City Boy Blues, Use it or Lose it, Louder than Hell, Home Sweet Home, Fight For Your Rights are all great songs. Their version of Smokin is good. No problem with this album
Tonight and Save Our Souls are great too. DOn't like the chorus for FFYR but aside from that it pretty good. Keep you eyes on the money and Raise your Hands to rock are abysmal, though
I loved City Boy Blues and it was a great opener.
I feel the same about it today as I did back in the day, its alright. I actually like it better than Dr. feelgood.
It came out when I was 10 and it was a good entry point with Home Sweet Home and Smokin in the Boys Room. I rarely listen to it now.
its pop rock. But I did see them shoot the video in Sunset Beach. Tommy was lit up at 10 in the morning.
Great guitar solo on Home Sweet Home
Back in the day, I loved that album..it's known for smoking in the boys room and home sweet home, but the rest of the album is solid
I think it's better than Girls and with the exception of Smokin it's solid 9/10
Motley crue was note about the music and all about the fashion.
Its the visuals and new levels of bohemian lifestyle.
Where the music lacked their values and fashion were the shit and help change our culture
Team Crue went for a big fashion grab from Cinderella and from the 1970s Heart perhaps, they could have given credit but then again, they are not about that so much
It's not a horrible album if you don't compare it with Shout or the debut...Use It,Home Sweet Home,Raise Your Hands are ok.
Subbed 🏆 Nice to hear this CD being discussed. I hated their hard turn to Glam & Blues as a kid, I love Louder than Hell, City Boy Blues. 'TOP' had fewer hits vs Shout which was loaded with great songs.
Thanking you!
...same ol' same ol' to me on TOP but yall keep comparing it to shout at the devil and there's no comparison... it's like comparing apples and oranges. TOP is a good album but shout at the devil is a great album. Next question...
@@user-fb3cf3fw1b I'm going to seek out ad play the entire disc again. Always with major acts like Motley, if you search on youtube, signed in, you will see their songs for the next 5 weeks.
Vince said he is tired of home sweet home. That can't shock people. I would avoid it, radio sold it then crushed it. Vince is tired of singing, the guys left in Motley are tired of playing. I wish Vince would attempt for the first time ever, live, DANGER, but he won't wave goodbye to tracks and pretend singing, so the sell for live shows is only A+ for cover acts, who do actually play Danger live. Ditto with VH
TOP Song Order: Louder than Hell - would it be a great first song or great last song for the disc ? As in, end it by showing they still hold hard rock 'dangerous edge' despite the Cinderella glam style borrowing ? A miracle to see this album considering the stress the lads were under. Also maybe an improved version of Smoking in the boys room, too. Bold to say it. More changes to it than Def Leppard did with Rock On in their live shows (a david essex hit).
My next question is the remasters, is it playing with the master tapes just to earn a dollar (very much a Kiss motivation, which is where they got the make up look from ?). Are the remasters significant. Maybe a show would be discs redone that are WORTH buying. Are the Dokken remasters a leap ahead, or Ratt with their box set
*Alex Harvey Band might be the first mime makeup and 'acting' band, see faith healer live 1973, just before Kiss show up
1. Shout at the Devil
2. Too Fast for Love
3. Girls, Girls, Girls
4. Theatre of Pain
5. Dr. Feelgood
6. Generation Swine
7. Mötley Crüe
8. Saints of Los Angeles
9. New Tattoo
This album came out when I was 7 and my younger brother a.few years later I bought him the cassette of girls,girls,girls for his 7th birthday and he was the metal head of the family from then on that's what big brothers do
My rank
Shout
Too Fast
Theatre
Feel-good
GGG
And it's hard between TFFL and Theatre for me. I think pretty much most put Shout at #1
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By the time I was old enough and really started to get into music Motley had already released all 5 of the classic albums. I was born in 85. So by the time I was say 8 yrs old, I knew all the major rock bands/music just from what my mom and my aunt's listened to and MTV. So I would just rummage through their cassettes and records. My mom had all the Motley tapes. I remember Shout at the Devil being scary with the intro and I loved it. Too Fast, Live wire sounded like it should've been on Shout. The rest of the album was raw and not as heavy. Theatre of Pain I really liked the first side alot. City Boy Blues, Louder Than Hell, Use it or Lose it, Tonight, Raise your hands. All kick ass songs. Loved Mick's guitar. Definitely better than GGG.
Saw Crue on on GGG tour . Wild side rocked our bush party's for a solid yr...u had to be there kid
ToP helped me close the coffin for Hair Metal. I was primed to move onto Thrash. Shout was the only album I liked of theirs. Very disappointed when it hit the shelves.
Not alone there..few folk felt the same way...
@@RockDaydreamNation Even as a kid....in the mid 80s, I noticed once a band started to do photo shoots on a beach with pink and purple clothes....their music started to suck.
I'll never forget that day in '81 while at my favorite shop flipping through records and coming across the debut record and thinking "If the music is as obnoxious as the cover, this'll be great!" ... I took it home and IT WAS!! To this day, Too Fast for Love remains an 80s highlight for me. With each successive release though, I was disappointed and even more disappointed. On this record, Vince looked like Dressy Bessy on acid! Hated their look, hated the cover song, hated the ballad. We called those cursory ballads "chick rock"! The rest of the record seems to be "crue-ish" to me and I don't have a problem with it. My interest in this style and genre really took a back seat to darker, less produced, more underground bands at this time and if I "grab a stack of rock" from '85, this one is damn near the bottom for me! Thanks for the emotional roller-coaster of hot-n-cold, love-n-hate memories! 🤪
Nice post as always Keith....a lot of our youth is intertwined with those early Motley albums.....
It's no Shout at the Devil, the imagine change was a shock, Still got that really heavy guitair tone though, mixed with some other less heavy influences. I think it's much better than Girls and yes, I'd take it slightly over Dr. Feelgood also.
Agree to disagree JayJay...there is no kick start my heart or anything as energetic as that on Theater!..as always appreciate your comments mate!
@@RockDaydreamNation Yeah, but the reason i rate it slightly higher Peter because there is imo nothing as cringe as Sticky Sweet or She Goes Down on T.O.P. Dr Feelgood has great production, but those two songs bring it down for me.
Great show and discussion everyone! Yeah, I liked this back in the day but now I would say there are 4 decent songs tops. I didn't like "Home Sweet Home" but in retrospect it's the best song on the album. I respect Steve's take on the record. IMO, the first two records and the self-titled album with John Corabi are very good and then there's a lot of mediocrity. Cheers!
I agree with your album picks...spot on with mine! cheers!
My two word review: Shit Sandwich 🥪
Sure was and I didnt take a bite.
Theatre of Poop
Dokken - Under Lock and Key
Loudness - Thunder in the East
Y&T - Open Fire
David Lee Roth - Crazy from the Heat
King Kobra - Ready to Strike
Accept - Metal Heart
Power Station - Power Station
Stryper - Soldier's Under Command
Ratt - Invasion of Your Privacy
Scorpions - World Wide Live
Heart - Heart
Dio - Scared Heart
Yngwie Malmsteen - Marching Out
Kiss - Asylum
Vandenberg - Alibi
Iron Maiden - Live After Death
Helloween - Walls of Jericho
Saga - Behaviour
Honeymoon Suite - the Big Prize
A small list of albums from 1985 that destroyed "Theater of Pain".
Very few bands have ever fallen off the cliff as quickly as Motley Crue! This is a painful and dreadful listen. I got it eagerly on the heels of "Shout at the Devil" and few albums disappointed as much. The only thing I can say that I like about this is the production and some of Tommy's drumming. Otherwise, it is pure garbage!! I hate "Home Sweet Home" and please, Tommy Lee is as much a pianist as I am a surgeon because I put a band-aid on someone! It's grade school level at best. His drumming? That is outstanding.
"Smokin' in the Boys Room" is dreadful. "Louder Than Hell" is barely long enough to even be a song. "Use it or Lose it" is pure crap!!!! And please, they look like complete idiots!!!!!! Women did jump onboard here and stayed with them for the next several albums. MTV was clearly the biggest factor as "Wild Side" and "Girls, Girls, Girls" were played constantly for an entire year!!
Mr. Kerr, did you just compare Mick Mars to Jeff Beck??? Ouch!!! That is a huge insult to the late Mr. Beck.
This is a horrible album from a band on the decline in my world!
LOUDNESS! I know you are a fan of Higuchi.
Masterclass post from Mr Jones (always love your work!)...Just to clarify my reference was meant to be Mick Mars was Jeff Beck inspired (one of his influences) not an 80s tapping scratching shredder per se...is he in the same ball park as Beck, nope...
Louder than hell is damn good. The rest is okay. More a heavy blues album. The first one is the best.
I don't care what anyone says the album is magic
Huge lifeline fan of Motley Crue and I can’t for the life of me grasp the concept of “Shout” and “Theater” being viewed as drastically different styles. Those two albums…both of which I enjoy…are remarkably similar in almost every way. Don’t know what the hang-up is over Theater of Pain. It’s a solid album.
I guess we all hears things differently...theater does not have the energy of shout...seems a step down....
1. Too fast
2. Shout
3. Girls.
4. Dr.
5. Theater
Thanks for the picks!
Smokin' home sweet! Only good ones! Album cover is spot on! The best!
No !!! Worst follow up from a Fantastic 1st big studio record SATD is still a Heavy FKN Album but Crue or Nikki had a plan so ??
Hey! It's my friend Steve! :) I like the album, but i don't love it... I do think Theater of Pain is less of a ripoff than Girls Girls Girls... I enjoy Theater more than GGG...
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@@RockDaydreamNation oh ive subbed years ago 😋. I just hardly comment. 😂
The glam is fine, the album is lousy.
Their best album. Only real dud is Save Our Souls the rest being some of the greatest written and played songs in their patchy catalogue.
Thanks for the comment...
City Boy Blues, Fight For Your Rights and of course Home Sweet Home are the only good songs on the album. Smokin' in the Boys Room is a good cover. The rest of the album lacks the strength of 'Shout.
Thanks for your comment!
They had looks, sounds and style. Didnt hear of them till girls album. But i went back a listened to all of their music. I liked micks atitude.
Mick had lots of attitude for sure...thanks for the comment!
This is when the band went off the rails. They are not a good band if you really look at their songs and catalog. Their best was the self titled with Corabi.
Lot of folk love that Corabi album
There is no defending this abomination of an album. Complete letdown after their first two classic albums
Thanks for the comment! you are not alone...
Lazy album. Very disappointing.
Lot of folks agree
Yeah Micks guitar playing is thin... thinner than yalls guitar playing on yalls last album!?! Kiss my axx man this is motley fxxkin crue dude! Of course their 1st two albums were best, aren't all decent bands 1st albums usually their best? Really doubt yalls ability to be critiquing this style of music... then yall said yall love Ratt. No doubt anymore... yall wouldn't know good hair rock if you were hit upside the head with it.
Mike and Joe say they are fans, but it sure doesn't come off that way. 🤔 The truth about this album is, it's 2024 and you just posted a video over an hour long about it, 39 years after it was released. Whether you felt duped by this album in 1985 or not and whether or not you base your opinion of the album based on other's opinions, whether you like the album or not, it is still relevant almost 40 years later.
Well, I'm pretty sure my 5/5 star reviews for Too Fast, Shout, and Motley '94 will convince you I'm a fan! But I don't worship - I critique what I do not like. And you can't like them all.
@@GrabAStackofRocK Based on this video, like I said, it doesn't come off that way.
Poorly recorded poorly written poorly thot out sub par in every way imaginably. Louder then hell and Raise ur hands are as empty a 3 minutes as there was in 85.
Im original Crue (13 in '83) so i know. Embarrassing
Fake band.