Motley Crue - Can we defend Theatre of Pain?

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  • Опубліковано 21 тра 2024
  • Rock Daydream Nation panel chat featuring Joe B, Steve Deluxe, Michael Ladano and Melissa Nee (with a special cameo appearance from John Clauser)...We ask the question "Can we defend the Motley Crue album from 1985 Theatre of Pain"? We spotlight the songs, performances, the whole motley thing! Check out the show
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  • @jeffd5759
    @jeffd5759 27 днів тому +11

    I enjoy it. City Boy Blues, Use it or Lose it, Louder than Hell, Home Sweet Home, Fight For Your Rights are all great songs. Their version of Smokin is good. No problem with this album

    • @stephanea5364
      @stephanea5364 26 днів тому

      Tonight and Save Our Souls are great too. DOn't like the chorus for FFYR but aside from that it pretty good. Keep you eyes on the money and Raise your Hands to rock are abysmal, though

  • @scottlowe7343
    @scottlowe7343 26 днів тому +2

    I loved City Boy Blues and it was a great opener.

  • @user-vz3bg2vy3w
    @user-vz3bg2vy3w 27 днів тому +7

    I feel the same about it today as I did back in the day, its alright. I actually like it better than Dr. feelgood.

  • @darinhaller6034
    @darinhaller6034 28 днів тому +3

    It came out when I was 10 and it was a good entry point with Home Sweet Home and Smokin in the Boys Room. I rarely listen to it now.

  • @aristocrat2427
    @aristocrat2427 24 дні тому +2

    its pop rock. But I did see them shoot the video in Sunset Beach. Tommy was lit up at 10 in the morning.

  • @pkdrummer2042
    @pkdrummer2042 23 дні тому +1

    Great guitar solo on Home Sweet Home

  • @tomdeters735
    @tomdeters735 23 дні тому +1

    Back in the day, I loved that album..it's known for smoking in the boys room and home sweet home, but the rest of the album is solid

  • @kevinsmith7-7-7
    @kevinsmith7-7-7 25 днів тому +2

    I think it's better than Girls and with the exception of Smokin it's solid 9/10

  • @Brutal_truthus
    @Brutal_truthus 24 дні тому +2

    Motley crue was note about the music and all about the fashion.
    Its the visuals and new levels of bohemian lifestyle.
    Where the music lacked their values and fashion were the shit and help change our culture

    • @artbell259
      @artbell259 23 дні тому

      Team Crue went for a big fashion grab from Cinderella and from the 1970s Heart perhaps, they could have given credit but then again, they are not about that so much

  • @ericrobertson2581
    @ericrobertson2581 27 днів тому +4

    It's not a horrible album if you don't compare it with Shout or the debut...Use It,Home Sweet Home,Raise Your Hands are ok.

  • @artbell259
    @artbell259 27 днів тому +1

    Subbed 🏆 Nice to hear this CD being discussed. I hated their hard turn to Glam & Blues as a kid, I love Louder than Hell, City Boy Blues. 'TOP' had fewer hits vs Shout which was loaded with great songs.

    • @RockDaydreamNation
      @RockDaydreamNation  26 днів тому +1

      Thanking you!

    • @user-fb3cf3fw1b
      @user-fb3cf3fw1b 24 дні тому +1

      ...same ol' same ol' to me on TOP but yall keep comparing it to shout at the devil and there's no comparison... it's like comparing apples and oranges. TOP is a good album but shout at the devil is a great album. Next question...

    • @artbell259
      @artbell259 24 дні тому

      ​@@user-fb3cf3fw1b I'm going to seek out ad play the entire disc again. Always with major acts like Motley, if you search on youtube, signed in, you will see their songs for the next 5 weeks.
      Vince said he is tired of home sweet home. That can't shock people. I would avoid it, radio sold it then crushed it. Vince is tired of singing, the guys left in Motley are tired of playing. I wish Vince would attempt for the first time ever, live, DANGER, but he won't wave goodbye to tracks and pretend singing, so the sell for live shows is only A+ for cover acts, who do actually play Danger live. Ditto with VH

  • @artbell259
    @artbell259 24 дні тому +1

    TOP Song Order: Louder than Hell - would it be a great first song or great last song for the disc ? As in, end it by showing they still hold hard rock 'dangerous edge' despite the Cinderella glam style borrowing ? A miracle to see this album considering the stress the lads were under. Also maybe an improved version of Smoking in the boys room, too. Bold to say it. More changes to it than Def Leppard did with Rock On in their live shows (a david essex hit).
    My next question is the remasters, is it playing with the master tapes just to earn a dollar (very much a Kiss motivation, which is where they got the make up look from ?). Are the remasters significant. Maybe a show would be discs redone that are WORTH buying. Are the Dokken remasters a leap ahead, or Ratt with their box set
    *Alex Harvey Band might be the first mime makeup and 'acting' band, see faith healer live 1973, just before Kiss show up

  • @jimekberg
    @jimekberg 26 днів тому

    1. Shout at the Devil
    2. Too Fast for Love
    3. Girls, Girls, Girls
    4. Theatre of Pain
    5. Dr. Feelgood
    6. Generation Swine
    7. Mötley Crüe
    8. Saints of Los Angeles
    9. New Tattoo

  • @georgemathie8123
    @georgemathie8123 27 днів тому

    This album came out when I was 7 and my younger brother a.few years later I bought him the cassette of girls,girls,girls for his 7th birthday and he was the metal head of the family from then on that's what big brothers do

  • @scottlowe7343
    @scottlowe7343 26 днів тому +1

    My rank
    Shout
    Too Fast
    Theatre
    Feel-good
    GGG
    And it's hard between TFFL and Theatre for me. I think pretty much most put Shout at #1

    • @RockDaydreamNation
      @RockDaydreamNation  26 днів тому

      Thanks for sharing your picks/comments...cheers! If not already sub to the channel...plenty of stuff coming up!

  • @scottlowe7343
    @scottlowe7343 26 днів тому

    By the time I was old enough and really started to get into music Motley had already released all 5 of the classic albums. I was born in 85. So by the time I was say 8 yrs old, I knew all the major rock bands/music just from what my mom and my aunt's listened to and MTV. So I would just rummage through their cassettes and records. My mom had all the Motley tapes. I remember Shout at the Devil being scary with the intro and I loved it. Too Fast, Live wire sounded like it should've been on Shout. The rest of the album was raw and not as heavy. Theatre of Pain I really liked the first side alot. City Boy Blues, Louder Than Hell, Use it or Lose it, Tonight, Raise your hands. All kick ass songs. Loved Mick's guitar. Definitely better than GGG.

    • @dustdevil9614
      @dustdevil9614 26 днів тому

      Saw Crue on on GGG tour . Wild side rocked our bush party's for a solid yr...u had to be there kid

  • @offtherealm5438
    @offtherealm5438 26 днів тому +2

    ToP helped me close the coffin for Hair Metal. I was primed to move onto Thrash. Shout was the only album I liked of theirs. Very disappointed when it hit the shelves.

    • @RockDaydreamNation
      @RockDaydreamNation  26 днів тому

      Not alone there..few folk felt the same way...

    • @offtherealm5438
      @offtherealm5438 26 днів тому

      @@RockDaydreamNation Even as a kid....in the mid 80s, I noticed once a band started to do photo shoots on a beach with pink and purple clothes....their music started to suck.

  • @KeithSearock
    @KeithSearock 27 днів тому +1

    I'll never forget that day in '81 while at my favorite shop flipping through records and coming across the debut record and thinking "If the music is as obnoxious as the cover, this'll be great!" ... I took it home and IT WAS!! To this day, Too Fast for Love remains an 80s highlight for me. With each successive release though, I was disappointed and even more disappointed. On this record, Vince looked like Dressy Bessy on acid! Hated their look, hated the cover song, hated the ballad. We called those cursory ballads "chick rock"! The rest of the record seems to be "crue-ish" to me and I don't have a problem with it. My interest in this style and genre really took a back seat to darker, less produced, more underground bands at this time and if I "grab a stack of rock" from '85, this one is damn near the bottom for me! Thanks for the emotional roller-coaster of hot-n-cold, love-n-hate memories! 🤪

    • @RockDaydreamNation
      @RockDaydreamNation  26 днів тому

      Nice post as always Keith....a lot of our youth is intertwined with those early Motley albums.....

  • @jayjaytee9944
    @jayjaytee9944 27 днів тому +1

    It's no Shout at the Devil, the imagine change was a shock, Still got that really heavy guitair tone though, mixed with some other less heavy influences. I think it's much better than Girls and yes, I'd take it slightly over Dr. Feelgood also.

    • @RockDaydreamNation
      @RockDaydreamNation  26 днів тому

      Agree to disagree JayJay...there is no kick start my heart or anything as energetic as that on Theater!..as always appreciate your comments mate!

    • @jayjaytee9944
      @jayjaytee9944 26 днів тому

      @@RockDaydreamNation Yeah, but the reason i rate it slightly higher Peter because there is imo nothing as cringe as Sticky Sweet or She Goes Down on T.O.P. Dr Feelgood has great production, but those two songs bring it down for me.

  • @johnthemusicnut5347
    @johnthemusicnut5347 26 днів тому

    Great show and discussion everyone! Yeah, I liked this back in the day but now I would say there are 4 decent songs tops. I didn't like "Home Sweet Home" but in retrospect it's the best song on the album. I respect Steve's take on the record. IMO, the first two records and the self-titled album with John Corabi are very good and then there's a lot of mediocrity. Cheers!

    • @RockDaydreamNation
      @RockDaydreamNation  26 днів тому +1

      I agree with your album picks...spot on with mine! cheers!

  • @joeylodes
    @joeylodes 26 днів тому +3

    My two word review: Shit Sandwich 🥪

  • @pjones8404
    @pjones8404 27 днів тому +3

    Dokken - Under Lock and Key
    Loudness - Thunder in the East
    Y&T - Open Fire
    David Lee Roth - Crazy from the Heat
    King Kobra - Ready to Strike
    Accept - Metal Heart
    Power Station - Power Station
    Stryper - Soldier's Under Command
    Ratt - Invasion of Your Privacy
    Scorpions - World Wide Live
    Heart - Heart
    Dio - Scared Heart
    Yngwie Malmsteen - Marching Out
    Kiss - Asylum
    Vandenberg - Alibi
    Iron Maiden - Live After Death
    Helloween - Walls of Jericho
    Saga - Behaviour
    Honeymoon Suite - the Big Prize
    A small list of albums from 1985 that destroyed "Theater of Pain".
    Very few bands have ever fallen off the cliff as quickly as Motley Crue! This is a painful and dreadful listen. I got it eagerly on the heels of "Shout at the Devil" and few albums disappointed as much. The only thing I can say that I like about this is the production and some of Tommy's drumming. Otherwise, it is pure garbage!! I hate "Home Sweet Home" and please, Tommy Lee is as much a pianist as I am a surgeon because I put a band-aid on someone! It's grade school level at best. His drumming? That is outstanding.
    "Smokin' in the Boys Room" is dreadful. "Louder Than Hell" is barely long enough to even be a song. "Use it or Lose it" is pure crap!!!! And please, they look like complete idiots!!!!!! Women did jump onboard here and stayed with them for the next several albums. MTV was clearly the biggest factor as "Wild Side" and "Girls, Girls, Girls" were played constantly for an entire year!!
    Mr. Kerr, did you just compare Mick Mars to Jeff Beck??? Ouch!!! That is a huge insult to the late Mr. Beck.
    This is a horrible album from a band on the decline in my world!

    • @GrabAStackofRocK
      @GrabAStackofRocK 27 днів тому +1

      LOUDNESS! I know you are a fan of Higuchi.

    • @RockDaydreamNation
      @RockDaydreamNation  26 днів тому +1

      Masterclass post from Mr Jones (always love your work!)...Just to clarify my reference was meant to be Mick Mars was Jeff Beck inspired (one of his influences) not an 80s tapping scratching shredder per se...is he in the same ball park as Beck, nope...

  • @ericzajac5237
    @ericzajac5237 27 днів тому

    Louder than hell is damn good. The rest is okay. More a heavy blues album. The first one is the best.

  • @jackbtlr17
    @jackbtlr17 25 днів тому +3

    I don't care what anyone says the album is magic

  • @Ruleof2Review
    @Ruleof2Review 26 днів тому +1

    Huge lifeline fan of Motley Crue and I can’t for the life of me grasp the concept of “Shout” and “Theater” being viewed as drastically different styles. Those two albums…both of which I enjoy…are remarkably similar in almost every way. Don’t know what the hang-up is over Theater of Pain. It’s a solid album.

    • @RockDaydreamNation
      @RockDaydreamNation  26 днів тому

      I guess we all hears things differently...theater does not have the energy of shout...seems a step down....

  • @BIGD-gj1vb
    @BIGD-gj1vb 23 дні тому

    1. Too fast
    2. Shout
    3. Girls.
    4. Dr.
    5. Theater

  • @LEIFanevret
    @LEIFanevret 27 днів тому

    Smokin' home sweet! Only good ones! Album cover is spot on! The best!

  • @DeadShred9
    @DeadShred9 26 днів тому

    No !!! Worst follow up from a Fantastic 1st big studio record SATD is still a Heavy FKN Album but Crue or Nikki had a plan so ??

  • @offthecharts2272
    @offthecharts2272 25 днів тому +1

    Hey! It's my friend Steve! :) I like the album, but i don't love it... I do think Theater of Pain is less of a ripoff than Girls Girls Girls... I enjoy Theater more than GGG...

    • @RockDaydreamNation
      @RockDaydreamNation  6 днів тому +1

      Thanks for the comment Offthecharts...you should sub to the channel...plenty of content coming up!!!

    • @offthecharts2272
      @offthecharts2272 6 днів тому

      @@RockDaydreamNation oh ive subbed years ago 😋. I just hardly comment. 😂

  • @joepensanti9468
    @joepensanti9468 27 днів тому +1

    The glam is fine, the album is lousy.

  • @jimmyagates
    @jimmyagates 26 днів тому +1

    Their best album. Only real dud is Save Our Souls the rest being some of the greatest written and played songs in their patchy catalogue.

  • @zakhriskin1602
    @zakhriskin1602 26 днів тому +1

    City Boy Blues, Fight For Your Rights and of course Home Sweet Home are the only good songs on the album. Smokin' in the Boys Room is a good cover. The rest of the album lacks the strength of 'Shout.

  • @wealldieatthehandsoflovedones
    @wealldieatthehandsoflovedones 26 днів тому +1

    They had looks, sounds and style. Didnt hear of them till girls album. But i went back a listened to all of their music. I liked micks atitude.

    • @RockDaydreamNation
      @RockDaydreamNation  26 днів тому +1

      Mick had lots of attitude for sure...thanks for the comment!

  • @feihtwodahs
    @feihtwodahs 27 днів тому +1

    This is when the band went off the rails. They are not a good band if you really look at their songs and catalog. Their best was the self titled with Corabi.

  • @inmyhouse11
    @inmyhouse11 22 дні тому +1

    There is no defending this abomination of an album. Complete letdown after their first two classic albums

  • @shadowpoppy
    @shadowpoppy 26 днів тому +2

    Lazy album. Very disappointing.

  • @user-fb3cf3fw1b
    @user-fb3cf3fw1b 24 дні тому

    Yeah Micks guitar playing is thin... thinner than yalls guitar playing on yalls last album!?! Kiss my axx man this is motley fxxkin crue dude! Of course their 1st two albums were best, aren't all decent bands 1st albums usually their best? Really doubt yalls ability to be critiquing this style of music... then yall said yall love Ratt. No doubt anymore... yall wouldn't know good hair rock if you were hit upside the head with it.

  • @Hook74
    @Hook74 27 днів тому +1

    Mike and Joe say they are fans, but it sure doesn't come off that way. 🤔 The truth about this album is, it's 2024 and you just posted a video over an hour long about it, 39 years after it was released. Whether you felt duped by this album in 1985 or not and whether or not you base your opinion of the album based on other's opinions, whether you like the album or not, it is still relevant almost 40 years later.

    • @GrabAStackofRocK
      @GrabAStackofRocK 27 днів тому +2

      Well, I'm pretty sure my 5/5 star reviews for Too Fast, Shout, and Motley '94 will convince you I'm a fan! But I don't worship - I critique what I do not like. And you can't like them all.

    • @Hook74
      @Hook74 27 днів тому

      @@GrabAStackofRocK Based on this video, like I said, it doesn't come off that way.

  • @dustdevil9614
    @dustdevil9614 26 днів тому

    Poorly recorded poorly written poorly thot out sub par in every way imaginably. Louder then hell and Raise ur hands are as empty a 3 minutes as there was in 85.
    Im original Crue (13 in '83) so i know. Embarrassing

  • @treeherder2201
    @treeherder2201 26 днів тому +1

    Fake band.