One thing that can be discerned from James Tabor is his keen eye for the decorative arts. One his walls, I first noticed the walls to be textured through decorative plaster but closer inspection shows well-executed faux marbling! Also, there's the buffet table right behind time with decorative artwork and gold accents. I Well Done!
Paul was truly an amazing man of God. He loved the fathers, and Moses, and David, and Isaiah. He understood what Messiah had to go through and was ready to follow and join him after he first had been an opposer due to the offense of the ΣΤΑΥΡΟΣ. The churches have never understood him, as they have not James nor John nor his revelation. A new time is to come.
You may find “Jesus’ Biological Father was Joseph: According to the New Testament” by DS WAGGONER of interest. It’s yet another interesting spin on Paul! Treasure!
Very true what you say about Markion and how he was in a weird way received so well by the churches (condemning him while adopting most of his false gnostic views).
A 2-hour video is too long? Well after I get done listening to one of Dr. Tabor's podcast. Then I get my Kindle and listen to an hour of his audiobook. LOL 😮 It's the truth
Excellent Discussion. Its interesting how Paul ( a very well educated Jew) was able to receive and recognize the Will of God concerning non-Jews in the New Covenant. Also how the 'keeping of the law' was ultimately ineffective to have people quit behaving badly so now the walk of faith involving 'receiving spiritual instruction in righteousness via the mind of Christ' is the rule for Christian conduct.
"Keeping of the law" of faith has never changed, remembering all not of faith is sin, those baptised must keep the law of righteousness and only doers of the law are justified.
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
I hear a lot that Catholics don't read the Bible. But in my day, every Catholic home had a family Bible. We could refer to it any time we wanted. I gave both my adult children a Bible as wedding presents. And in weekly Mass, every Sunday, both an epistle and a gospel passage is read. So, we heard a Bible reading at least every week for our entire youth! ( Sunday is A Holy day of obligation for Catholics, in the same way the Shabbat is for Jews) And it was discussed in the Priest's homily and often after Church at home. Also, we had Catechism class in school then, in which the Bible, including the Old Testament was referenced all the time. The psalms are written into most of the hymns we sing in Church too. So we get a good exposure to the Bible, or did when I was growing up.
● O wretched man that i am, who shall DELIVER... im not a student of Paul, but you should remember that the benefits of Christ (the benefactor) include the first three graces (gifts)...to save, to heal and to deliver. Holiness is a faith that trusts in the forgivness of a loving father who has that forgiveness in his hand. Before you even think a sinful thought, his love will cover it. Salvation is of the heart. Healing is of the soul. DELIVERANCE is of the MIND and is directly related to HOLINESS.
Great discussion and good job by the host. I don't like Paul but I really liked the book Paul and Jesus. Looking forward to reading the Schweitzer book on the mysticism angle.
I take biting into the forbidden fruit as creation of agriculture and civilization...the sin in it is going from the lack of need for sin in hunter gatherer culture to the greed of humans that grew with agriculture and civilization...
My understanding is that Paul emphasizes "my Gospel" as preached to the audience/church he planted rather than alternative versions other members were interpreting to appease contentions within the congregation... "my Gospel" narrows it to what he (Paul) initially preached to the same church audience...
Nice decor james is that Carolina...fire going ...must be cold same here perth WA ...enjoy your day ...I am still waiting for my day to walk along city of david pool to wall
🙏💚🧡not seen yet but I'm reading the life of Paul in a french study of the 19th century...so will see if I understand him!🙏 But my big subject is what did he went to study 15years in Mesopotamia, because this is actual and could well explain his problem. And how he tried to solve it.
the Turin Shroud carbon dating has been scientifically overturned for years now - and the processes used were not done to standard rigor (but that is only a portion of the problems that lead to that dating now being rejected as valid)
People who quote Ephesians 2: 8-9 often fail to include the last line of this argument in verse 10, where he brings up the idea of being made for good works. Peace and blessings and thanks for all you do!
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
So are we making more out it Paul than is in the text? Unless Paul is some kind of inspired genius the tons of literature the lifetimes of sermons can't be justified. It's like Shakespeare, he was a smart guy and all but what is written about his plays can't be nearly correct. There is just too much of it and conflicting all over the place. Paul believed that Jesus was returning in his lifetime. How does that square with Jesus and Paul sharing some ultimate truth. Early Christianity was a mess. Sex was almost forbidden. You could not wear jewelry or makeup. Dancing and singing were out. You could not be a soldier or a politician. Christians did not mingle with others except to try and convert them because you might be tempted at any moment. The Christian life was like the ascetics life and that gets reflected down through the early ages. Life was to be endured for a greater life was ahead. To be a martyr was great, something to aspire towards, like Jesus, to die for your belief would mean a high place in heaven.
Of course, the resurrected Jesus could well meet with and train Paul. He can appear at wii and had to have been doing a lot of coaching of his followers or without Jesus and with persecution they would have lost momentum.
@@AereForst And also Paul would not recognize it. Paul was no Christian! The Gnostics have changed the story and Christianity just came into existence after the year 64 when the temple was destroyed. That date is for sure. Paul did not create christianity that was a process after the destruction of the temple. Much texts of Paul have been rewritten espc by Gnostics. And the Gnostic became very opposed to Judaism ad there leading figure was Marcion who did corrupt the NT.
He worked for Rome when they were creating the religion of Christianity. When you work for the elite, you get whatever title they choose to bestow on you.
Almost impossible to find Jesus, because his attitudes and perspectives were much too divergent from those who knew him. I think we have lost any clear statement of his essential message.
The best way to put it is to keep at least the 10 Commandments, including the 7th day Sabbath and holy days...however, he also kept the Torah aka the Laws of Moses...Jesus came as an example of how to honor God, to live like Jesus is to live the right path...he was a Jew that came to cleanse the Law of the Pharisees...easy peasy to answer...
Excellent 👍 The thing is the bible is up to nearly 800k words, depending on version. Thus to discuss in depth, it requires a lot of words to address each biblical word!
I love the long deep dives. I'm still waiting for The Gospel According to James Tabor where you outline the deeds and theology of David Koresh for a popular audience in the style of a gospel narrative. I think it would be a crying shame if that book goes unwritten.
Righteousness is a grace to be accepted. While salvation quickens the heart with new love of family, (as in turning the heart of fathers to children and children to fathers,) salvation does not remove desires offensive to God. Salvation is primarily about the heart. Rightousness is about the soul. By "soul" I mean to say the WILL. There is God's will...and there is a man's will. The will is what moves us to act. When you use the word will in a sentence, you are probably referring to this idea of your will to do a thing. So, to accept the gift of righteousness is to accept God's will--"Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." And if you are truly righteous by faith, you are probably experiencing a conflict...even a war! When your will is offensive to God and man, there is available a circumcision of the heart. It isn't as painful as it sounds.
Paul is taking a cultural identity religion and applying an increment of perennial philosophy to that religion expanding its umbrella to include spirituality within all cultures to include gentiles. (and trying to explain that Christ had this same purpose)
I believe that the 12 apostles and Paul split after the antioch Incident in Galatians 2. Paul says that Barnabas left him, that Peter wants Gentiles to live like Jews and that James basically represents the circumcision party. Paul on the other hand doesn't want anything to do with the law. He even says that anyone who practices circumcision loses Jesus. This is also one reason why the Ebionites rejected Paul. They even quoted this verse. That being said, Acts and Acts 15 are basically propaganda to present unity among the 12 and Paul and is therefore not reliable. Acts also doesn't even mention the antioch incident. And Paul on the hand doesn't mention the 4 commandments of Acts 15. And the reason why Barnabas left Paul in Acts and Galatians are also contradictory. For me it's clear, Paul is basically the founder of today's Christianity
If I could add some small nuance, Paul didn't seem interested in going around telling Jewish people they were not under the law of Moses and instead only made sure Gentiles who were faithful to the gospel know they don't have to be. Paul doesn't ban Jewish-Christians right to be Jewish, but warns Gentiles not to become Jewish for religious reasons and warns Jewish people to not force that idea into the gospel. He is clear that he thinks that no one believing in Christ is under the law but wouldn't purposefully antagonize a group of Jewish-Christians minding their own business with this. All this is to say that maybe they didn't split in an irreconcilable manner but were on neutral terms at the very least. Paul's accusation of Peter is very interesting, speaking to Peter he claims that Peter no longer lived like a Jew himself and so why would he force that idea onto Gentiles?
@@youngknowledgeseeker if you read Romans 7, Ephesians or Galatians, Paul even says that the law is ended for Jewish Christians as well. Anyone who gets circumcised loses Jesus, Christ will be of no value for him. James Tabor says the same. That being said, there was a split. But the problem is, we dont know for sure how and when. If you read Galatians, it could be after the Antioch incident. That would make sense. And Paul says that Peter wants Gentiles to live like Jews. These are not my words but Paul's words. And the reason why Peter didn't to want eat with Gentiles could be that Peter just didn't want to eat meat sacrificed to idols. Or since James is the head of the church, he changed his opinion. Peter never responded to this matter. Acts doesn't cover this incident up. But we know that Barnabas basically sided with Peter and James on the matter of Gentiles having to live like Jews.
@@youngknowledgeseekerAmbrosiaster (First-second Corinthians by Gerald Lewis Bray) "The Jewish believers who nevertheless continued to observe the law of Moses denied that Paul was an apostle because he taught that it was no longer necessary to be circumcised or observe the sabbath. Even the other apostles thought that he was teaching something different because of this, and they denied he was an apostle." 28.5.1-3. Epiphanius on Ebionites: "They break with Paul because he does not accept circumcision, but they also reject him because he said, "You who would be justified by the law have fallen away from grace" [Gal. 5:4] and "If you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you" [Gal. 5:2" James Tabor: *"I nonetheless hold that Paul as a Jew considered the Sinai covenant obsolete and abrogated, for Gentiles of course, but also for Jews."* *"none of Paul’s arguments apply only to gentiles."*
@@JK-qo4zp Yes I said that in my post, that he is clear he thinks that no one believing in Christ and the gospel is under Moses law any longer. However I think a case can be made that he doesn't force that idea and lifestyle change on Jews, he only forcefully demands that Gentiles, and particularly one's he's founded, are to understand this and be under no obligation to Jewish law. In Galatians he's speaking to non-Jewish Christians he himself founded. He's not speaking to Jewish Christians, that would have made his statement nonsensical. Nor is that a blanket ban on already Jewish people, it is simply a warning to Jewish-Gentiles to not attempt to become Jewish for religious purposes. Also, yes, I'm not ignoring that Paul claimed Peter did, I'm just highlighting the other parts of the letter for consideration alongside that. Peter and Barnabas at first *were* convinced that they could eat with the Gentiles (whatever that even means). Also Paul claims rather surely that Peter himself recognized that he didn't have to live like a Jew and wasn't (whatever that means). It sounds like Paul is claiming that Peter and the Apostles ok'd his Gentile conversion gospel and he's mad that Peter and potentiallu James is vascillating now. A split from Galatians is an interesting theory. But I wonder what outside evidence there would be to support or disprove this. You gave the Ebionites (from what century though?). However Marcion also claimed to be descended from Paul but look how much he butchered Paul's teaching as found in his letters. Once again, I should say, Paul thinks and teaches that no one in the gospel and in Christ are obligated to the law of Moses. However I would wager that he doesn't go around purposefully hitting Jews on the head with this and antagonizing them. He goes for Gentiles, and only when Jewish Christians are caught in the crossfire or attempt to create Judaizers in his congregations or Gentile congregations does he intervene. I think he offers compassion, tolerance and understanding to Jewish-Christians minding their own business or Jewish-Christians who respectfully and peacefully live within his congregation. is Paul in Corinthians who says "To to the Jew I became as a Jew. To those under the law, one under the law". It is Paul in Romans who says that the brothers who only eat vegetables are to be loved and tolerated and are still God's. In short, the small nuance I had wanted to add was thus, though Paul's gospel included freedom from the Law of Moses and New enslavement to the Law of Christ, he preached this message to the Gentiles and didn't go from Jew to Jew saying this. Only when Gentile congregations were being pulled away from this message did he intervene, and only if his congregation had become part Jewish believers would he tell the Jews the truth but allow them their practice as it is what they grew up with their whole lives.
@@youngknowledgeseeker this is the interesting part. In Antioch were also hellenestic Jews. In most churches were hellenestic Jews. Maybe not many but they existed outside of Jerusalem. But lets say he did only speak to Gentiles, as you yourself said, he basically teached that no one is under the law anymore. He even said that anybody who is circumcised loses Jesus and he critcises the dietary laws, holidays etc. For me personally, Paul is against the law in general. He also didn't care about food laws, eating blood or meat sacrificed to Idols which we find in Acts 15. As for Peter, Paul just said that Peter ate with Gentiles before the Jews of James came. He did not say that Peter was without the law or rejected the law. But he said that Peter wanted Gentiles to live like Jews and that Barnabas basically sided with the people of James. For me the second "to live like Jews" means to keep the law. Why? Because of the Jews of James, they wanted Gentiles to keep the law. There are now 2 or 3 options. Either Peter was at the beginning at the side of Paul and afterwards switched to the side of James (who was the head of the Church) with Barnabas. Or Peter had a reason why he wouldnt eat with the Gentiles. In the clementine homilies if I remember correctly, Peter says that he just didn't want to eat meat sacrificed to Idols. The letter to the Galatians doesn't say what happened after the Antioch Incident. And Acts doesn't even mention the Antioch Incident. Acts says that Barnabas split because of Mark from Paul. In Galatians its because of Peter and the Jews of James. Many scholars dont view Acts as reliable. And there are scholars who say that Paul and the 12 Apostles split. James Tabor is one of them. For me and others this happened in Antioch. There was early on a split. We have Jewish sects who rejected Paul and only believed in one gospel in Hebrew/Aramaic. And they claim to follow Peter and James too. As for Marcion he came much later. We know from Paul and Acts that during Paul's time already (Jewish) Christians rejected him. And the problem is that we basically have nothing before the Jewish war in 66/70 besides Paul's letters. This makes it impossible to be sure of anything. And we also have basically nothing from Jewish Christians in the first century. And according to scholars we don't have any writing from one of the 12. Chrysostom says that no apostle survived the Jewish war.
The most ignored verse in the Christian Bible is Romans four verse five to him that does not work, but, believes in him who saves the sinner , that man is justified yes, it’s a smack in James’s whole teaching, which is why I believe Paul went after James when he saw that letter circulating teaching that is by “faith, whatever that meant to James and works.
No, because James is not talking about gentiles. James is written to the 12 tribes of Israel . Is pretty clear in the first chapter /verse ! Paul is the apostle of the Gentiles . James isn't ..that's why like it contridict. The rest: 1 John , James , Jude , Hebrews , Peter , etc are written to Israel . And new convenant!!!
@@Moodboard39 James was a 'busy body' ONLY THE JEWS YOU SAY? He went TO MEET WITH all the Apostles on what burden To lay on the Antioch Christians< AFTER paul and BarNABAS HAD WITNESSED TO THEM FOR A YEAR< But James was wOrrIED THEY "too free" ACTS 15- and watch for PETER's CONFESSION!!
Do the six letters Paul didn’t write, nevertheless give us helpful information about the early struggles and formation of Christianity? Also, did any money from the sites Paul set up trickle down to the church in Jerusalem? T/s 1:16:00
Dr Tabor Romans 1 is not written to unbelievers, but backsliders, and 2 is written to the same not hypothetical, and 3 singles out sinners as lost, but now Jesus can save them.
@@Moodboard39 To have the wrong premise of the audience of Romans is terrible. "To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:". Another myth in Christianity, and why I have a Ytube video series 'Myths in so-called Christianity'.
IF you actually want Truth and Facts about the NT, I suggest watching Nehemiah Gordon, Mills Johns and Rood Awakening. Now I love our God Yehovah and His Son our Messiah and after 46 years of studying Scripture I can say without doubt the "Church" has been lying for 18 hundred years. For instance His Ministry was 70 weeks, more importantly the NT was not written in either Aramaic, Greek or Latin but Hebrew. Their findings and manuscripts prove it and you can verify them for yourselves.
That was an eye opener: "The only purpose of the chosen nature of Israel is to redeem the nations " This is not at all what Paul says in Romans: That the Potter has the right to make domestic vessels for noble use and some for common. And further, that this common set of humanity are predestined for destruction. Not earthly destruction...but, eternal destruction. I'm uncertain if this is what Jesus meant by the "narrow and wide gates."
Dr Tabor, thank you for the many hours of instructive content that you have made available. I have greatly benefited from it and it has hugely expanded my knowledge and appreciation of the Bible. I wonder if you might recommend a good commentary on the Proverbs. I’m not interested in “nice thoughts” or “homilies”, but in something that gets to the heart of the Hebrew text and enables me to decipher the contents of the book, its ethics and its philosophy/philosophies. While you are at it, you might like also to recommend a commentary on Kohelet in the same vein. If any of your videos deal with these two books, please point me to them.
indeed good point and he never would have imagined this would happen because he believed that the Kingdom of God would be in his lifetime. So there was no need for anything to write down as scripture. Secondly the Thora was enough for him. The Gospels even were not written yet. Most people forget that there was no gospel!
I have started this conversation several times, and each time there are a number of short disruptions, especially as Dr. Tabor speaks. Is there a fresh copy of this talk? I am not getting the "burps" in other UA-cam videos. I hate missing any word from either man.
The short video rule generally applies when someone just babbles and takes forever to make a point. Too many seem enamored with the sound of their own voice
@Joe Siegfried If good works don't matter then why is the story of the Good Smaratian in the Bible? Why is Matt. Ch 25 the separation of the sheep and the goats in the Bible? But as soon as you say this someone gets hysterical and accuses you of saying Jesus's death on the cross wasn't enough and you stll have to earn your salvation.
James, the Lords brother, along with the 12 apostles according to Acts and Galatians dedicated themselves to reaching the jewish nation for Christ. In that endeavor history would that they failed. The Jewish people didn't Accept Jesus as their messiah. One might say, without Pauls writings and work. Christianity would have been at best a footnote in Jewish history.
Matthew 5:17 Do not think I have come to abolish the law of the Prophets, I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.......The question is did Paul keep to this statement of Jesus Yes or No?
And the Apostle Paul was the last desciple to be called by Jesus Luke 18:22. I believe he was also present at the time of the baptism of Jesus Christ, because he would have known about John the Baptist and everything he said concerning the Messiah, which could have prompted him, as a Pharisee of pharisees, to seek out validation from him in Luke 18. 1) The rich young ruler's main concern was to "inherit eternal life " vs 18. He judged himself worthy because he believed he had been obeying all the laws. 2) He had been listening to Jesus's teachings and was convinced that he was a man of authority, though, he wasn't ready to accept the fact He could be the Messiah, so he approached Jesus in a condescending manner- as he was a pharisee and they believed themselves to be above everyone else. So, he sucked up to Jesus by calling Him "Good Master ". Jesus saw through him and responded in a way that means He was God, if Paul believed that He was good, and went on to poke holes in his legalistic beliefs- he believed he never committed adultery, but Jesus taught that to just look on a maiden lustfully already constituted a breaking of the law, so was bearing false witness, which they were notorious for, but wouldn't admit to, so he was indirectly stealing from the temple coffers in the name of doing business for God Galatians 1:14; as was not honoring their fathers and mothers in the name of bringing offerings to the temple etc. and finally, told him to get rid of the source of his pride: his wealth, and distribute to the poor, as they usually pretended to do to look good before the people. He wasn't ready to even exchange that to gain eternal life, which Jesus understood (and gave him time before answering his calling vs 22). He began to follow Jesus from then onwards, persecuting Him just to get physical proof on Him as a fraud. I believe he was behind all the questions to get Jesus to break the laws- including paying taxes (Jesus was called the Son of David, David and his house have been tax exempt by King Saul, for slaying Goliath, by this they're negating His relationship with King David, hence, cannot be the Messiah, they even insult Him of being born of fornication, as Mary got pregnant before getting married John 8:41 etc.) 3) I believe he spearheaded the group that deceived Judas to betray Him, and those they bought to shout "crucify him " over and over again until Jesus was crucified on the cross. He really did persecute Jesus and by so doing, get to follow Him as other desciples, learning from His teachings all along, even sneaking behind to witness the last supper to confidently say he received it of the Lord 1 Corinthians 11:23, to make hin an Apostle born out of due time - long after his calling 1 Corinthians 15:8. 3) His anger made him turn his his back on his own life, and began to persecute everyone linked to Jesus, from Stephen up till the time he fell off his high horse- so to speak, and was forced to come to reality of who Jesus Christ really was- The Son if man(David), The Son of God, which he knew all along but his legalistic mind was resisting it: he finally called Jesus "Lord", though subconsciously, but he always knew He was Lord when he heard His voice again Acts 9:4-5. After this, he became so overzealous enough to begin to let everyone know that "Jesus was the Son of God, and the Messiah" vs 20,22. He began to immediately experience persecution himself, which got him to Arabia, where he had ample time and opportunity to review all the proof he had collected while he was persecuting Jesus 2 Timothy 4:13. He could even have been the naked young man, who was used to entrap JesusChriston the night of His arrest. Mark 14:51-52. (That was why he could write with so much understanding of the Lord in all his epistles). 4) Philippians 3 was where he finally came to terms with the fact that all his wealth could not be exchanged for the knowledge of Christ and gaining eternal life- his all life pursuit Luke18:18! This came at a price though - he lost all his fortune, that he wasn't willing to give up at that time: Luke 18:18-30, calling them "dung." But now, forgetting all his past life and pressing towards the prize of the "high calling " of Jesus, as he now sees it! That was why it was easy for the other desciples to extend to him the right hand of fellowship as the Apostle of the gentiles Galatians 2:9. That was also why he could withstand the other desciples when they were preaching the law and circumcision together with the grace of God in Christ Jesus in Acts 15. Immediately after preaching in the synagogue that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, Acts 9:20-22, God sent Barnabas to help him fulfill his calling, and spread the gospel if salvation to both Jews and gentiles, especially the gentiles. The gospel of the salvation of our souls is simply by grace through faith in the sacrificial death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and the completed work of the cross that no one can add to or remove from by doing good or bad. The Holy Spirit was sent to guide, teach, interpret, and keep until the end, John 14:26. Thus, He quickenes the believers and takes them all up at rapture. Until then, we give ourselves to studying the scriptures to make ourselves approved unto God as workmen that need not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth-daily! That was the reason why the Apostle loved his Jewish brethren so much that he wouldn't mind being accursed, as long as they can all (the 12 tribes), be saved! Romans 9:3! That was the reason he endures so much beatings and maltreatment from the Jews, who really hated him, but he continued to concern himself with them, even took up collection of money for the Jewish belivers, even though he was sent to the gentiles-39 stripes 5 timed, got shipwrecked, got bitten by a venomous snake, but like the Duracell battery, he still kept going strong till the end! How stinky and painful and full of putrefying sores, his body must have been, yet he kept on going... So he ran and finished his course and ensured that the outcast tribe of Benjamin, finally has a place in the body of Jesus Christ, and will sit with Him on the right hand of the throne of God, in heavenly places! He made and left us all a legacy, so we can all make it. Thus, he is free from the blood of everyone who rejects so great a salvation story!
Paul's letter to the Corinthians (13) explains the relationship between good works and grace, imo. One is nothing without the other. If you have not love ( love being the energy of pure grace, pure Holy Spirit) your good works are nothing but clashing symbols etc... And if your heart is empathic and loving but doesn't express itself in 'good' choices and acts of love, then it is like hiding your light under a bushel. (a bushel is a unit of weight or measurement, very, very interesting) So , grace and good works are both required of us. The organized churches made grace v good works a false dichotomy, imo, concerning 'redemption'. It's a chicken or egg dilemma, lol. Any thoughts?
It was Paul who dichotomized it. Becasue if good works of the believers still valid, then there is no need for jesus to die proving you grace of salvation by faith that he died for your sins.
He is also the one Jesus writes about in His 7 letters (epistles) to 7 CHURCHES, saying don't follow the one who says he's a Jew and is not(he is a Benjamite but claims he is Jew in the same sentence) and the one who claims he is an apostle and is not. No one else claimed to be an apostle. Jesus tells them NOT to eat meat sacrificed to idols, that definitely is Paul. I agree brother, reject Paul, follow the Torah, like Jesus.
@@tookie36 Passover came after Genesis and it was a hurried meal because they had to leave, hence the unleavened bread. Read about the Passover in Exodus. There was no wine.
The points Dr. Tabor makes early on about Paul's authority underline how Paul seems rather insecure (especially compared to the disciples/apostles in Jerusalem), so he has to emphasise his message is direct from Jesus, not from those who KNEW Jesus. He asserts that his message is the only correct one; thus protesting too much - a mark of insecurity.
I don’t understand how you guys can read John chapter 6, where it’s like people thought this was a really hard teaching to accept, and they walked away, and then five seconds later be like this is so hard of teaching to accept I immediately reject it, we should walk away. Like why would you be surprised that the Jews who remain Jews would think such a teaching is abhorrent ? Of course they would that’s why they remain Jews and didn’t become Christians.
One thing that can be discerned from James Tabor is his keen eye for the decorative arts. One his walls, I first noticed the walls to be textured through decorative plaster but closer inspection shows well-executed faux marbling! Also, there's the buffet table right behind time with decorative artwork and gold accents. I Well Done!
Ha! But did you not notice our little dog. Watch closely. My wife is an interior designer, painter, potter.
I was thinking the same thing!
Nice exegesis!
I noticed that too. What a lovely house you feel good vibes just from that little clip.
@@JamesTaborVideos Ah!
I too can listen to James Tabor for hours and hours .
Thank You
2 hours is the bare minimum for starting a conversation like this.
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You’re absolutely right. I love long talks of this type.
I treat the long videos as a podcast and turn it on while i do chores and the like
Thanks for making these 💖
Paul was truly an amazing man of God. He loved the fathers, and Moses, and David, and Isaiah. He understood what Messiah had to go through and was ready to follow and join him after he first had been an opposer due to the offense of the ΣΤΑΥΡΟΣ.
The churches have never understood him, as they have not James nor John nor his revelation.
A new time is to come.
You may find “Jesus’ Biological Father was Joseph: According to the New Testament” by DS WAGGONER of interest. It’s yet another interesting spin on Paul! Treasure!
We do love long in depth videos with you Professor Tabor! Thank you so so much for all you do, truly thank you. Please keep them coming k?
Thank you both!
Mr Tabor, It was a real pleasure.
Time flew by.
Please reconvene
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Very true what you say about Markion and how he was in a weird way received so well by the churches (condemning him while adopting most of his false gnostic views).
The opening backdrop beats the living hell out of that spare bedroom in those other videos I was looking at . . .
A 2-hour video is too long? Well after I get done listening to one of Dr. Tabor's podcast.
Then I get my Kindle and listen to an hour of his audiobook. LOL 😮 It's the truth
Best thing about Paul's letters is they are more real life, unlike the Gospels which are magical adventure texts.
Excellent Discussion. Its interesting how Paul ( a very well educated Jew) was able to receive and recognize the Will of God concerning non-Jews in the New Covenant. Also how the 'keeping of the law' was ultimately ineffective to have people quit behaving badly so now the walk of faith involving 'receiving spiritual instruction in righteousness via the mind of Christ' is the rule for Christian conduct.
"Keeping of the law" of faith has never changed, remembering all not of faith is sin, those baptised must keep the law of righteousness and only doers of the law are justified.
I love information give factually. I appreciate the humor. It never feels like two hours. Thanks for being courageous.
I’m hooked !
Incredible interview. Thank you
I love to hear YOU and David...
You two rock!
Wonderful content, once again. Thank you.
Love your work
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
I love deep dive but not extra long drawn out. Ty
Thank you Dr. Tabor!!! I truly hope there is are two available spots the next time you go to Israel!!!
What do you mean by that.
I hear a lot that Catholics don't read the Bible. But in my day, every Catholic home had a family Bible. We could refer to it any time we wanted. I gave both my adult children a Bible as wedding presents.
And in weekly Mass, every Sunday, both an epistle and a gospel passage is read. So, we heard a Bible reading at least every week for our entire youth! ( Sunday is A Holy day of obligation for Catholics, in the same way the Shabbat is for Jews) And it was discussed in the Priest's homily and often after Church at home. Also, we had Catechism class in school then, in which the Bible, including the Old Testament was referenced all the time. The psalms are written into most of the hymns we sing in Church too.
So we get a good exposure to the Bible, or did when I was growing up.
● O wretched man that i am, who shall DELIVER... im not a student of Paul, but you should remember that the benefits of Christ (the benefactor) include the first three graces (gifts)...to save, to heal and to deliver. Holiness is a faith that trusts in the forgivness of a loving father who has that forgiveness in his hand. Before you even think a sinful thought, his love will cover it. Salvation is of the heart. Healing is of the soul. DELIVERANCE is of the MIND and is directly related to HOLINESS.
Personally love the detail you go into as I like the minutiae of how scholarship works.
I'm so grateful for you guys. It helps me.
I see it was Paul, that did something.
What?
Can't say.
look at that place... very classy home!
Great discussion and good job by the host.
I don't like Paul but I really liked the book Paul and Jesus. Looking forward to reading the Schweitzer book on the mysticism angle.
I take biting into the forbidden fruit as creation of agriculture and civilization...the sin in it is going from the lack of need for sin in hunter gatherer culture to the greed of humans that grew with agriculture and civilization...
We sure do love these long videos. Thank you Prof. Paul is simply fascinating.
My understanding is that Paul emphasizes "my Gospel" as preached to the audience/church he planted rather than alternative versions other members were interpreting to appease contentions within the congregation... "my Gospel" narrows it to what he (Paul) initially preached to the same church audience...
nice how James voice keeps fading in and out!
I love listening to these interviews. Thank you for uploading.
Nice decor james is that Carolina...fire going ...must be cold same here perth WA ...enjoy your day ...I am still waiting for my day to walk along city of david pool to wall
I look forward to watching your long vids they're my escape...
🙏💚🧡not seen yet but I'm reading the life of Paul in a french study of the 19th century...so will see if I understand him!🙏 But my big subject is what did he went to study 15years in Mesopotamia, because this is actual and could well explain his problem. And how he tried to solve it.
the Turin Shroud carbon dating has been scientifically overturned for years now - and the processes used were not done to standard rigor (but that is only a portion of the problems that lead to that dating now being rejected as valid)
Are you responding to a video discussing the Shroud of Turin?
This reminds me of Rudolf Steiner's teachings
They don’t seem long because you pack such quality information into them.
People who quote Ephesians 2: 8-9 often fail to include the last line of this argument in verse 10, where he brings up the idea of being made for good works. Peace and blessings and thanks for all you do!
People because of religious tradition miss that this is a conversion experience or event. It coincides to me with parable of the sower.
True! 💯
What about it
I bought Tabors book Paul and Jesus, excellent work. Thanks.
It’s bs but a great waste of money!!!
Brother James Tabor resembles the face in the shroud of Turin a little bit. 😳😂 Mr. JT is one of my favorite dudes ever!
He met Jesus.. on the Damascus road!!
Just like biblical and historical evidence proves that jesus and his apostles were vegatarians biblical and historical evidence also proves that the trinity, atonement, original sin and hell are very late misinterpretations and are not supported by the early creed hence its not a part of Christianity I pray that Allah swt revives Christianity both inside and out preserves and protects it and makes its massage be witnessed by all people but at the right moment, place and time
The secred text of the Bible says ye shall know them by their fruits
So too that I say to my christian brothers and sisters be fruitful and multiply
Best regards from a Muslim ( line of ismail )
4 different accounts....😂
So are we making more out it Paul than is in the text? Unless Paul is some kind of inspired genius the tons of literature the lifetimes of sermons can't be justified. It's like Shakespeare, he was a smart guy and all but what is written about his plays can't be nearly correct. There is just too much of it and conflicting all over the place. Paul believed that Jesus was returning in his lifetime. How does that square with Jesus and Paul sharing some ultimate truth. Early Christianity was a mess. Sex was almost forbidden. You could not wear jewelry or makeup. Dancing and singing were out. You could not be a soldier or a politician. Christians did not mingle with others except to try and convert them because you might be tempted at any moment. The Christian life was like the ascetics life and that gets reflected down through the early ages. Life was to be endured for a greater life was ahead. To be a martyr was great, something to aspire towards, like Jesus, to die for your belief would mean a high place in heaven.
My question about Paul is, if he thought the end was near, is it because "Jesus" told him such? Paul is the very definition of enigma
Of course, the resurrected Jesus could well meet with and train Paul. He can appear at wii and had to have been doing a lot of coaching of his followers or without Jesus and with persecution they would have lost momentum.
Paul said he got revelation from Christ himself ..he got from no one . He learned it from no man
Impressive house!
If James the Apostle could see his brother’s legacy today…
He wouldn’t recognize it because it isn’t Jesus’s legacy; it’s Paul’s.
@@AereForst True! 💯
@@AereForst And also Paul would not recognize it. Paul was no Christian!
The Gnostics have changed the story and Christianity just came into existence after the year 64 when the temple was destroyed. That date is for sure.
Paul did not create christianity that was a process after the destruction of the temple. Much texts of Paul have been rewritten espc by Gnostics. And the Gnostic became very opposed to Judaism ad there leading figure was Marcion who did corrupt the NT.
@@AereForstImagine how furious they'd be to see it co-opted and propagandised for the Roman Empire they fought against
Prefer the long ones😊
Christians believe in Paul as a apostle of God with no evidence to prove . How does Paul became an apostle ??
Unction led him to acts of faith that seemed impossible.
@@jonathanbarnes3061 Unction by Christ on the road to Damascus?
He wrote 2/3s of the N.T.
He worked for Rome when they were creating the religion of Christianity. When you work for the elite, you get whatever title they choose to bestow on you.
@@shmataboro8634 nope. Come on now. You either don't have a clue or your trolling
Is it still possible to actually reconstruct what Jesus' original school of thought was? Can you make a video about that?
Almost impossible to find Jesus, because his attitudes and perspectives were much too divergent from those who knew him. I think we have lost any clear statement of his essential message.
The best way to put it is to keep at least the 10 Commandments, including the 7th day Sabbath and holy days...however, he also kept the Torah aka the Laws of Moses...Jesus came as an example of how to honor God, to live like Jesus is to live the right path...he was a Jew that came to cleanse the Law of the Pharisees...easy peasy to answer...
Excellent 👍 The thing is the bible is up to nearly 800k words, depending on version. Thus to discuss in depth, it requires a lot of words to address each biblical word!
Paul's letter to the Corinthians at 1Corinthians 1:12-18 we don't follow religion but we are to follow Christ.
I love the long deep dives. I'm still waiting for The Gospel According to James Tabor where you outline the deeds and theology of David Koresh for a popular audience in the style of a gospel narrative. I think it would be a crying shame if that book goes unwritten.
Thank God. This book has a Chinese version.
Luke literally wrote his gospel while traveling with Paul
Maybe.
Such a bummer that the signal on Tabors computer wasn’t stable. So many keywords were muted out.
Righteousness is a grace to be accepted. While salvation quickens the heart with new love of family, (as in turning the heart of fathers to children and children to fathers,) salvation does not remove desires offensive to God. Salvation is primarily about the heart. Rightousness is about the soul. By "soul" I mean to say the WILL. There is God's will...and there is a man's will. The will is what moves us to act. When you use the word will in a sentence, you are probably referring to this idea of your will to do a thing. So, to accept the gift of righteousness is to accept God's will--"Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." And if you are truly righteous by faith, you are probably experiencing a conflict...even a war! When your will is offensive to God and man, there is available a circumcision of the heart. It isn't as painful as it sounds.
Good interview...wish you guys didn't talk over each other as much, but I guess you both have alot to say.
To much talking
...to much detail ...start to sleep ...thats just get to the point
Paul is taking a cultural identity religion and applying an increment of perennial philosophy to that religion expanding its umbrella to include spirituality within all cultures to include gentiles. (and trying to explain that Christ had this same purpose)
Dang , even walter white interviewed this man
In Revelation, John says we hav to have The Torah AND Yeshua to be saved.
I believe that the 12 apostles and Paul split after the antioch Incident in Galatians 2. Paul says that Barnabas left him, that Peter wants Gentiles to live like Jews and that James basically represents the circumcision party. Paul on the other hand doesn't want anything to do with the law. He even says that anyone who practices circumcision loses Jesus. This is also one reason why the Ebionites rejected Paul. They even quoted this verse.
That being said, Acts and Acts 15 are basically propaganda to present unity among the 12 and Paul and is therefore not reliable. Acts also doesn't even mention the antioch incident. And Paul on the hand doesn't mention the 4 commandments of Acts 15. And the reason why Barnabas left Paul in Acts and Galatians are also contradictory.
For me it's clear, Paul is basically the founder of today's Christianity
If I could add some small nuance, Paul didn't seem interested in going around telling Jewish people they were not under the law of Moses and instead only made sure Gentiles who were faithful to the gospel know they don't have to be.
Paul doesn't ban Jewish-Christians right to be Jewish, but warns Gentiles not to become Jewish for religious reasons and warns Jewish people to not force that idea into the gospel.
He is clear that he thinks that no one believing in Christ is under the law but wouldn't purposefully antagonize a group of Jewish-Christians minding their own business with this.
All this is to say that maybe they didn't split in an irreconcilable manner but were on neutral terms at the very least. Paul's accusation of Peter is very interesting, speaking to Peter he claims that Peter no longer lived like a Jew himself and so why would he force that idea onto Gentiles?
@@youngknowledgeseeker if you read Romans 7, Ephesians or Galatians, Paul even says that the law is ended for Jewish Christians as well. Anyone who gets circumcised loses Jesus, Christ will be of no value for him. James Tabor says the same.
That being said, there was a split. But the problem is, we dont know for sure how and when. If you read Galatians, it could be after the Antioch incident. That would make sense. And Paul says that Peter wants Gentiles to live like Jews. These are not my words but Paul's words. And the reason why Peter didn't to want eat with Gentiles could be that Peter just didn't want to eat meat sacrificed to idols. Or since James is the head of the church, he changed his opinion. Peter never responded to this matter. Acts doesn't cover this incident up. But we know that Barnabas basically sided with Peter and James on the matter of Gentiles having to live like Jews.
@@youngknowledgeseekerAmbrosiaster (First-second Corinthians by Gerald Lewis Bray)
"The Jewish believers who nevertheless continued to observe the law of Moses denied that Paul was an apostle because he taught that it was no longer necessary to be circumcised or observe the sabbath. Even the other apostles thought that he was teaching something different because of this, and they denied he was an apostle."
28.5.1-3. Epiphanius on Ebionites:
"They break with Paul because he does not accept circumcision, but they also reject him because he said, "You who would be justified by the law have fallen away from grace" [Gal. 5:4] and "If you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you" [Gal. 5:2"
James Tabor:
*"I nonetheless hold that Paul as a Jew considered the Sinai covenant obsolete and abrogated, for Gentiles of course, but also for Jews."*
*"none of Paul’s arguments apply only to gentiles."*
@@JK-qo4zp Yes I said that in my post, that he is clear he thinks that no one believing in Christ and the gospel is under Moses law any longer. However I think a case can be made that he doesn't force that idea and lifestyle change on Jews, he only forcefully demands that Gentiles, and particularly one's he's founded, are to understand this and be under no obligation to Jewish law.
In Galatians he's speaking to non-Jewish Christians he himself founded. He's not speaking to Jewish Christians, that would have made his statement nonsensical. Nor is that a blanket ban on already Jewish people, it is simply a warning to Jewish-Gentiles to not attempt to become Jewish for religious purposes.
Also, yes, I'm not ignoring that Paul claimed Peter did, I'm just highlighting the other parts of the letter for consideration alongside that. Peter and Barnabas at first *were* convinced that they could eat with the Gentiles (whatever that even means). Also Paul claims rather surely that Peter himself recognized that he didn't have to live like a Jew and wasn't (whatever that means). It sounds like Paul is claiming that Peter and the Apostles ok'd his Gentile conversion gospel and he's mad that Peter and potentiallu James is vascillating now.
A split from Galatians is an interesting theory. But I wonder what outside evidence there would be to support or disprove this. You gave the Ebionites (from what century though?). However Marcion also claimed to be descended from Paul but look how much he butchered Paul's teaching as found in his letters.
Once again, I should say, Paul thinks and teaches that no one in the gospel and in Christ are obligated to the law of Moses. However I would wager that he doesn't go around purposefully hitting Jews on the head with this and antagonizing them. He goes for Gentiles, and only when Jewish Christians are caught in the crossfire or attempt to create Judaizers in his congregations or Gentile congregations does he intervene.
I think he offers compassion, tolerance and understanding to Jewish-Christians minding their own business or Jewish-Christians who respectfully and peacefully live within his congregation. is Paul in Corinthians who says "To to the Jew I became as a Jew. To those under the law, one under the law". It is Paul in Romans who says that the brothers who only eat vegetables are to be loved and tolerated and are still God's.
In short, the small nuance I had wanted to add was thus, though Paul's gospel included freedom from the Law of Moses and New enslavement to the Law of Christ, he preached this message to the Gentiles and didn't go from Jew to Jew saying this. Only when Gentile congregations were being pulled away from this message did he intervene, and only if his congregation had become part Jewish believers would he tell the Jews the truth but allow them their practice as it is what they grew up with their whole lives.
@@youngknowledgeseeker this is the interesting part. In Antioch were also hellenestic Jews. In most churches were hellenestic Jews. Maybe not many but they existed outside of Jerusalem. But lets say he did only speak to Gentiles, as you yourself said, he basically teached that no one is under the law anymore. He even said that anybody who is circumcised loses Jesus and he critcises the dietary laws, holidays etc. For me personally, Paul is against the law in general. He also didn't care about food laws, eating blood or meat sacrificed to Idols which we find in Acts 15.
As for Peter, Paul just said that Peter ate with Gentiles before the Jews of James came. He did not say that Peter was without the law or rejected the law. But he said that Peter wanted Gentiles to live like Jews and that Barnabas basically sided with the people of James. For me the second "to live like Jews" means to keep the law. Why? Because of the Jews of James, they wanted Gentiles to keep the law.
There are now 2 or 3 options. Either Peter was at the beginning at the side of Paul and afterwards switched to the side of James (who was the head of the Church) with Barnabas. Or Peter had a reason why he wouldnt eat with the Gentiles. In the clementine homilies if I remember correctly, Peter says that he just didn't want to eat meat sacrificed to Idols.
The letter to the Galatians doesn't say what happened after the Antioch Incident. And Acts doesn't even mention the Antioch Incident. Acts says that Barnabas split because of Mark from Paul. In Galatians its because of Peter and the Jews of James. Many scholars dont view Acts as reliable. And there are scholars who say that Paul and the 12 Apostles split. James Tabor is one of them. For me and others this happened in Antioch.
There was early on a split. We have Jewish sects who rejected Paul and only believed in one gospel in Hebrew/Aramaic. And they claim to follow Peter and James too. As for Marcion he came much later. We know from Paul and Acts that during Paul's time already (Jewish) Christians rejected him.
And the problem is that we basically have nothing before the Jewish war in 66/70 besides Paul's letters. This makes it impossible to be sure of anything. And we also have basically nothing from Jewish Christians in the first century. And according to scholars we don't have any writing from one of the 12. Chrysostom says that no apostle survived the Jewish war.
The most ignored verse in the Christian Bible is Romans four verse five to him that does not work, but, believes in him who saves the sinner , that man is justified yes, it’s a smack in James’s whole teaching, which is why I believe Paul went after James when he saw that letter circulating teaching that is by “faith, whatever that meant to James and works.
No, because James is not talking about gentiles. James is written to the 12 tribes of Israel . Is pretty clear in the first chapter /verse !
Paul is the apostle of the Gentiles . James isn't ..that's why like it contridict.
The rest: 1 John , James , Jude , Hebrews , Peter , etc are written to Israel . And new convenant!!!
Dispensation as Paul calls it ...separating Israel from the church . Two different
@@Moodboard39 James was a 'busy body' ONLY THE JEWS YOU SAY? He went TO MEET WITH all the Apostles on what burden To lay on the Antioch Christians< AFTER paul and BarNABAS HAD WITNESSED TO THEM FOR A YEAR< But James was wOrrIED THEY "too free" ACTS 15- and watch for PETER's CONFESSION!!
Do the six letters Paul didn’t write, nevertheless give us helpful information about the early struggles and formation of Christianity?
Also, did any money from the sites Paul set up trickle down to the church in Jerusalem? T/s 1:16:00
Paul was talking about the judgement in year 70. and it happened in his lifetime, or almost.
I watched the whole thing...I did watch a Mets game in between however. 🙂 Really fascinating discussion. Thank you.
These academics need the holy spirit to teach them about Jesus Christ
Does anyone here know of MWM The Gospel revolution? How about Mauro Biglio or Paul Wallis??
When did the Gospels n Epistles first show up in the historical record??
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Dr Tabor Romans 1 is not written to unbelievers, but backsliders, and 2 is written to the same not hypothetical, and 3 singles out sinners as lost, but now Jesus can save them.
Roman written to all. Roman is the most powerful book in all the books Paul written
@@Moodboard39 To have the wrong premise of the audience of Romans is terrible.
"To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:".
Another myth in Christianity, and why I have a Ytube video series 'Myths in so-called Christianity'.
IF you actually want Truth and Facts about the NT, I suggest watching Nehemiah Gordon, Mills Johns and Rood Awakening. Now I love our God Yehovah and His Son our Messiah and after 46 years of studying Scripture I can say without doubt the "Church" has been lying for 18 hundred years. For instance His Ministry was 70 weeks, more importantly the NT was not written in either Aramaic, Greek or Latin but Hebrew. Their findings and manuscripts prove it and you can verify them for yourselves.
As an apostle
That was an eye opener: "The only purpose of the chosen nature of Israel is to redeem the nations " This is not at all what Paul says in Romans: That the Potter has the right to make domestic vessels for noble use and some for common. And further, that this common set of humanity are predestined for destruction. Not earthly destruction...but, eternal destruction. I'm uncertain if this is what Jesus meant by the "narrow and wide gates."
Dr Tabor, thank you for the many hours of instructive content that you have made available. I have greatly benefited from it and it has hugely expanded my knowledge and appreciation of the Bible. I wonder if you might recommend a good commentary on the Proverbs. I’m not interested in “nice thoughts” or “homilies”, but in something that gets to the heart of the Hebrew text and enables me to decipher the contents of the book, its ethics and its philosophy/philosophies. While you are at it, you might like also to recommend a commentary on Kohelet in the same vein. If any of your videos deal with these two books, please point me to them.
Ive often wondered if Paul would had wanted his letters to Churches to become "scripture"
Good point because the cannon was put together by men
indeed good point and he never would have imagined this would happen because he believed that the Kingdom of God would be in his lifetime. So there was no need for anything to write down as scripture. Secondly the Thora was enough for him.
The Gospels even were not written yet. Most people forget that there was no gospel!
@@antonius3745huh
In the pauline documents, are there any references to the neviʾim or ketuvim stories?
I have started this conversation several times, and each time there are a number of short disruptions, especially as Dr. Tabor speaks. Is there a fresh copy of this talk? I am not getting the "burps" in other UA-cam videos. I hate missing any word from either man.
it's driving me bonkers too!
I am interested in your academic approach to Christian origins.
The short video rule generally applies when someone just babbles and takes forever to make a point. Too many seem enamored with the sound of their own voice
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Shalom . I listened to it all , in 1 go. Hi James , what are the list of the 7 authentic books of Paul?
@Joe Siegfried
If good works don't matter then why is the story of the Good Smaratian in the Bible? Why is Matt. Ch 25 the separation of the sheep and the goats in the Bible? But as soon as you say this someone gets hysterical and accuses you of saying Jesus's death on the cross wasn't enough and you stll have to earn your salvation.
Amen! And by their fruits you will know them.
I am waiting for James tabor conclusion which he never gets to..
James, the Lords brother, along with the 12 apostles according to Acts and Galatians dedicated themselves to reaching the jewish nation for Christ. In that endeavor history would that they failed. The Jewish people didn't Accept Jesus as their messiah. One might say, without Pauls writings and work. Christianity would have been at best a footnote in Jewish history.
Matthew 5:17 Do not think I have come to abolish the law of the Prophets, I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.......The question is did Paul keep to this statement of Jesus Yes or No?
Yes Paul kept that. You have to remember Jesus was referring to Jews when he said that.
He's talking to Israel
Hope you do fine James Tabor.
Ο ΩΝ Ο ΗΝ Ο ΕΡΧΌΜΕΝΟΣ is near. Η Ο ΘΕΟΣ ΠΑΛΙΝ ΕΝ ΠΑΣΙΝ.
And the Apostle Paul was the last desciple to be called by Jesus Luke 18:22. I believe he was also present at the time of the baptism of Jesus Christ, because he would have known about John the Baptist and everything he said concerning the Messiah, which could have prompted him, as a Pharisee of pharisees, to seek out validation from him in Luke 18.
1) The rich young ruler's main concern was to "inherit eternal life " vs 18. He judged himself worthy because he believed he had been obeying all the laws.
2) He had been listening to Jesus's teachings and was convinced that he was a man of authority, though, he wasn't ready to accept the fact He could be the Messiah, so he approached Jesus in a condescending manner- as he was a pharisee and they believed themselves to be above everyone else. So, he sucked up to Jesus by calling Him "Good Master ". Jesus saw through him and responded in a way that means He was God, if Paul believed that He was good, and went on to poke holes in his legalistic beliefs- he believed he never committed adultery, but Jesus taught that to just look on a maiden lustfully already constituted a breaking of the law, so was bearing false witness, which they were notorious for, but wouldn't admit to, so he was indirectly stealing from the temple coffers in the name of doing business for God Galatians 1:14; as was not honoring their fathers and mothers in the name of bringing offerings to the temple etc. and finally, told him to get rid of the source of his pride: his wealth, and distribute to the poor, as they usually pretended to do to look good before the people. He wasn't ready to even exchange that to gain eternal life, which Jesus understood (and gave him time before answering his calling vs 22).
He began to follow Jesus from then onwards, persecuting Him just to get physical proof on Him as a fraud. I believe he was behind all the questions to get Jesus to break the laws- including paying taxes (Jesus was called the Son of David, David and his house have been tax exempt by King Saul, for slaying Goliath, by this they're negating His relationship with King David, hence, cannot be the Messiah, they even insult Him of being born of fornication, as Mary got pregnant before getting married John 8:41 etc.)
3) I believe he spearheaded the group that deceived Judas to betray Him, and those they bought to shout "crucify him " over and over again until Jesus was crucified on the cross. He really did persecute Jesus and by so doing, get to follow Him as other desciples, learning from His teachings all along, even sneaking behind to witness the last supper to confidently say he received it of the Lord
1 Corinthians 11:23, to make hin an Apostle born out of due time - long after his calling 1 Corinthians 15:8.
3) His anger made him turn his his back on his own life, and began to persecute everyone linked to Jesus, from Stephen up till the time he fell off his high horse- so to speak, and was forced to come to reality of who Jesus Christ really was- The Son if man(David), The Son of God, which he knew all along but his legalistic mind was resisting it: he finally called Jesus "Lord", though subconsciously, but he always knew He was Lord when he heard His voice again Acts 9:4-5.
After this, he became so overzealous enough to begin to let everyone know that "Jesus was the Son of God, and the Messiah" vs 20,22. He began to immediately experience persecution himself, which got him to Arabia, where he had ample time and opportunity to review all the proof he had collected while he was persecuting Jesus 2 Timothy 4:13. He could even have been the naked young man, who was used to entrap JesusChriston the night of His arrest. Mark 14:51-52. (That was why he could write with so much understanding of the Lord in all his epistles).
4) Philippians 3 was where he finally came to terms with the fact that all his wealth could not be exchanged for the knowledge of Christ and gaining eternal life- his all life pursuit Luke18:18! This came at a price though - he lost all his fortune, that he wasn't willing to give up at that time: Luke 18:18-30, calling them "dung." But now, forgetting all his past life and pressing towards the prize of the "high calling " of Jesus, as he now sees it!
That was why it was easy for the other desciples to extend to him the right hand of fellowship as the Apostle of the gentiles Galatians 2:9.
That was also why he could withstand the other desciples when they were preaching the law and circumcision together with the grace of God in Christ Jesus in Acts 15. Immediately after preaching in the synagogue that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, Acts 9:20-22, God sent Barnabas to help him fulfill his calling, and spread the gospel if salvation to both Jews and gentiles, especially the gentiles.
The gospel of the salvation of our souls is simply by grace through faith in the sacrificial death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ and the completed work of the cross that no one can add to or remove from by doing good or bad. The Holy Spirit was sent to guide, teach, interpret, and keep until the end, John 14:26. Thus, He quickenes the believers and takes them all up at rapture. Until then, we give ourselves to studying the scriptures to make ourselves approved unto God as workmen that need not be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth-daily!
That was the reason why the Apostle loved his Jewish brethren so much that he wouldn't mind being accursed, as long as they can all (the 12 tribes), be saved! Romans 9:3!
That was the reason he endures so much beatings and maltreatment from the Jews, who really hated him, but he continued to concern himself with them, even took up collection of money for the Jewish belivers, even though he was sent to the gentiles-39 stripes 5 timed, got shipwrecked, got bitten by a venomous snake, but like the Duracell battery, he still kept going strong till the end! How stinky and painful and full of putrefying sores, his body must have been, yet he kept on going...
So he ran and finished his course and ensured that the outcast tribe of Benjamin, finally has a place in the body of Jesus Christ, and will sit with Him on the right hand of the throne of God, in heavenly places!
He made and left us all a legacy, so we can all make it. Thus, he is free from the blood of everyone who rejects so great a salvation story!
Starts at 1:12
Paul's letter to the Corinthians (13) explains the relationship between good works and grace, imo. One is nothing without the other. If you have not love ( love being the energy of pure grace, pure Holy Spirit) your good works are nothing but clashing symbols etc...
And if your heart is empathic and loving but doesn't express itself in 'good' choices and acts of love, then it is like hiding your light under a bushel. (a bushel is a unit of weight or measurement, very, very interesting)
So , grace and good works are both required of us. The organized churches made grace v good works a false dichotomy, imo, concerning 'redemption'. It's a chicken or egg dilemma, lol. Any thoughts?
It was Paul who dichotomized it. Becasue if good works of the believers still valid, then there is no need for jesus to die proving you grace of salvation by faith that he died for your sins.
Excellent observation!
@@josephbarnabas1911 good point
Paul is the Benjamite wolf and the one save by HIS FAITH, in Habakuk 2 prophecy. Reject Paul...Follow Jesus!
He is also the one Jesus writes about in His 7 letters (epistles) to 7 CHURCHES, saying don't follow the one who says he's a Jew and is not(he is a Benjamite but claims he is Jew in the same sentence) and the one who claims he is an apostle and is not. No one else claimed to be an apostle. Jesus tells them NOT to eat meat sacrificed to idols, that definitely is Paul. I agree brother, reject Paul, follow the Torah, like Jesus.
The Tortured Paul Department 😵💫
CAN we ever "understand" Saul Paul any more than we can "understand" Jesus Chrises??
The blood of Christ satisfies all legal, moral, material & spiritual 'laws' ~Psalm 49:7-9 (think in terms of 'inheritance')
That's an excuse to continue to loosely apply God's wisdom to one's life.
Paul was truly inspired….but not by God.
The Passover didn't originally have wine. That was added because of Roman influence.
No way. Bread and wine was a Jewish tradition since genesis
@@tookie36 Passover came after Genesis and it was a hurried meal because they had to leave, hence the unleavened bread. Read about the Passover in Exodus. There was no wine.
The points Dr. Tabor makes early on about Paul's authority underline how Paul seems rather insecure (especially compared to the disciples/apostles in Jerusalem), so he has to emphasise his message is direct from Jesus, not from those who KNEW Jesus. He asserts that his message is the only correct one; thus protesting too much - a mark of insecurity.
I don’t understand how you guys can read John chapter 6, where it’s like people thought this was a really hard teaching to accept, and they walked away, and then five seconds later be like this is so hard of teaching to accept I immediately reject it, we should walk away.
Like why would you be surprised that the Jews who remain Jews would think such a teaching is abhorrent ? Of course they would that’s why they remain Jews and didn’t become Christians.
Because they reject salvation!
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Judaism stopped teaching blood atonement because the temple was destroyed and they couldn't offer sacrifices anymore.
Mr. Tabor... Do you believe Paul was a true or false apostle?