Great information! I've never fished for drum in the fall, and I'm heading down this week. I'll be tying up a few of each! Just subscribed, keep em coming!
In the Chesapeake bay up on Cedar point Beach we use a double rig with pieces of spot or menheden the size of quarters. In the last 12 years the bay has had many puppy drum up to 10 pounds and some fish over 28". I always use a fish finder rig with large piece of spot or menheden. You must use non off set circle hooks in Maryland. Good luck all.
What I wonder is the pyramid weight gets buried in the sand or hooked on a rock then a fish is hooked, you'll reel the fish to the buried sinker and boom! Stuck! Does the snap at the weight fail easy enough to get the fish in?
Great simple and helpful demo. I'll see you in early May and Fin & Feather is gonna be home once again. I lived on the OBX for 7 years year round that remains the best time of my life! Glad I found your channel also a new subscriber/liked visitor. I know that You may know where I get live bait either private cast netting or Wancheese fish house. Drop me a reply.
So when you're on the beach using something like this, do you just allow slack in your line? I'm used to using a high low rig and a sinker so I'm able to get constant tension on the line. If I have to allow slack in this line so that the hook isn't stuck right next to the weight, wouldn't the wind jerk the bait around? A normal day here, there's enough wind to see a bow in my line even with my rod tipped over.
No. You reel in all the slack so that the bait is right next to the weight. These rigs were developed by guys fishing for big drum at Cape Point. These guys do not spike their rods, they hold them in their hands. By holding the rod it allows you to keep the line tight without pulling the weight. Using a fish finder when spiking the rod is trickier. It usually means using a heavier weight than you would with a two hook bottom rig but it can be done, getting the right drag setting for the conditions is key to this as well.
I bought a lot of these Rigs a couple years ago. They were shipped to me. I tried to reach out to buy more but he said he got a new job. Is there any way I can order more somehow?
It will slide depending on current but not to much and depends if you double beed and put one on each side want slide around as much but prefer one beed just on inside
Having never used these rigs before , Does having the weight so close to the hook not put fish off ?. My main rigs are 4ft pully rig but i will try this on our beach to try Thanks.
I would wager it matters, I would use the fish finder rig with a slip snap swivel above a ball swivel with a 16” leader, so the closest the bait can get to the pyramid weight would be 16” (roughly)
Okay, here we go. Every serious drum fisherman I know if they use a bead, puts the bead above the sinker. The bead is to prevent the sinker slide from running up and over your shock knot, nothing else.
On the south east coast of North Carolina, we are using 17lb to 20lb mono as our mainline. (Guys running 16 or 17lb are using it for further casting distance) and then a good 4-8ft shock leader of 60 or 80lb mono. For the weight we are running 6-10oz depending on current and conditions. And we run these rigs for Pier and Surf, and that setup can land you a 30in to 55in Red. Tight lines!
Jason, that is hard question to answer as there is no standard for hook sizes between manufactures or even hook styles. Using circle hooks is different than using J hooks which will confound you even more. Best advise I can give you, go into a local tackle shop and ask them - local knowledge is invaluable anywhere you go that is new to you.
The bite leader on those rigs is too short ..will hide the bait in the sand ...also you don't need 100lbs and the extra swivel for bull reds ...save yourself the extra hardware and two more knot connections ....kind of like the cannon ball rig shown...but without the weight sliding all the way to the hook...you can make it all out of a 4ft length of 50lbs with a stopper bead about 4-6" from the hook(snelled) sinker slide, a free sliding bead and then one knot to a barrel swivel... making it 4ft long with 50lbs your rig is your shock leader all in one piece of line
Owen Lupton rig is very popular. These are very standard rigs where I live. Very effective as well. To each his own, they all work depending on location and conditions.
If you’re going for Red Drum, Spot is the best cut bait. But that all factors down to were you live and what the fish are actively feeding on, I’m seen drum caught on Spot, Croaker, Mullet, pinfish
I can't tell you how much your video helps. Jeez, you talked clearly and deliberately. I would be honored to fish with you my man.
Bought a heaver off that guy like 3 weeks ago, he’s the absolute best tackle salesman on the island!
Thanks. Very informative. I'm fairly new to saltwater fishing and will refer to this several times.
Great information! I've never fished for drum in the fall, and I'm heading down this week. I'll be tying up a few of each! Just subscribed, keep em coming!
In the Chesapeake bay up on Cedar point Beach we use a double rig with pieces of spot or menheden the size of quarters. In the last 12 years the bay has had many puppy drum up to 10 pounds and some fish over 28". I always use a fish finder rig with large piece of spot or menheden. You must use non off set circle hooks in Maryland. Good luck all.
AWSOME BRO THANKS! BEST FINDER VID I HAVE WATCHED.. FULL STOP!❤
Thank you for the great info.
Absolutely informative thanks 👌👍
Thanks for the information you helped me out a lot!!!
Nice clip Ward!
What size hook was at the end of the video? Great job
What I wonder is the pyramid weight gets buried in the sand or hooked on a rock then a fish is hooked, you'll reel the fish to the buried sinker and boom! Stuck! Does the snap at the weight fail easy enough to get the fish in?
Thanks for the info! Just curious what your success has been with the cannonball rig for bull drums (without the swivel between hook and slider)?
Every time I go into your store I feel like a fat kid at a cake shop.
Great simple and helpful demo. I'll see you in early May and Fin & Feather is gonna be home once again. I lived on the OBX for 7 years year round that remains the best time of my life! Glad I found your channel also a new subscriber/liked visitor. I know that You may know where I get live bait either private cast netting or Wancheese fish house. Drop me a reply.
Appreciate it! Our VB, Cape Charles, & OBX location in Nags Head all supply live bait when seasonally available!
@@OceansEast I will be in touch with you close to May 😁
Thanks 👍
So when you're on the beach using something like this, do you just allow slack in your line? I'm used to using a high low rig and a sinker so I'm able to get constant tension on the line. If I have to allow slack in this line so that the hook isn't stuck right next to the weight, wouldn't the wind jerk the bait around? A normal day here, there's enough wind to see a bow in my line even with my rod tipped over.
No. You reel in all the slack so that the bait is right next to the weight. These rigs were developed by guys fishing for big drum at Cape Point. These guys do not spike their rods, they hold them in their hands. By holding the rod it allows you to keep the line tight without pulling the weight. Using a fish finder when spiking the rod is trickier. It usually means using a heavier weight than you would with a two hook bottom rig but it can be done, getting the right drag setting for the conditions is key to this as well.
I bought a lot of these Rigs a couple years ago. They were shipped to me. I tried to reach out to buy more but he said he got a new job. Is there any way I can order more somehow?
Is it alright to use like a 6 inch steel leader as a bite leader?
Does the sinker slide have a knot that it stops on on the main line? Or will it slide as far as it wants when needed?
It will slide depending on current but not to much and depends if you double beed and put one on each side want slide around as much but prefer one beed just on inside
No mention of the carolina jigg???
Having never used these rigs before , Does having the weight so close to the hook not put fish off ?. My main rigs are 4ft pully rig but i will try this on our beach to try Thanks.
I would wager it matters, I would use the fish finder rig with a slip snap swivel above a ball swivel with a 16” leader, so the closest the bait can get to the pyramid weight would be 16” (roughly)
No, the weigh will look like a rock or other object on the bottom of no concern. The bait attracts the fish.
Is this similar to a Carolina rig?
Okay, here we go. Every serious drum fisherman I know if they use a bead, puts the bead above the sinker. The bead is to prevent the sinker slide from running up and over your shock knot, nothing else.
What is your mono lbs you recommend for sliding weight, and length?
On the south east coast of North Carolina, we are using 17lb to 20lb mono as our mainline. (Guys running 16 or 17lb are using it for further casting distance) and then a good 4-8ft shock leader of 60 or 80lb mono. For the weight we are running 6-10oz depending on current and conditions. And we run these rigs for Pier and Surf, and that setup can land you a 30in to 55in Red.
Tight lines!
@@Reeebie what is your thoughts on fluorocarbon as your finder rig 20#-50#?
to bead or not to bead
that is the question
What sinker slide is that?????
Its called a McMahon snap swivel.
What size weight do I use
Would depend on the current. Start off at a 4 OZ and go up if it moves down the beach.
Circle hooks and Owen Lupton Rig. Only way to fish these old drum. Protect the fishery.
What size hooks are you using in these rigs?
2/0 circle will catch anything on the surf and allow for more hookups.
Jason, that is hard question to answer as there is no standard for hook sizes between manufactures or even hook styles. Using circle hooks is different than using J hooks which will confound you even more. Best advise I can give you, go into a local tackle shop and ask them - local knowledge is invaluable anywhere you go that is new to you.
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Can a slide rig be done with braided line?
It could but I’ve heard that the slider eventually starts to fray the braided line and it makes it weaker within time
Yes it can. It is no harder on braid than it is on mono - braid is actually slicker.
Usually with braid you’ll have a leader anyway.
Regardless of which rig set up I use, I still have never caught a Drum from the surf.
Today in port aransas I saw a guy with two that were as long as him. Granted he was Hispanic and 4ft but still.
@@Bobcat8188 lol
@@Bobcat8188 lmao 🤣
The bite leader on those rigs is too short ..will hide the bait in the sand ...also you don't need 100lbs and the extra swivel for bull reds ...save yourself the extra hardware and two more knot connections ....kind of like the cannon ball rig shown...but without the weight sliding all the way to the hook...you can make it all out of a 4ft length of 50lbs with a stopper bead about 4-6" from the hook(snelled) sinker slide, a free sliding bead and then one knot to a barrel swivel... making it 4ft long with 50lbs your rig is your shock leader all in one piece of line
Owen Lupton rig is very popular. These are very standard rigs where I live. Very effective as well. To each his own, they all work depending on location and conditions.
How about the bait?
If you’re going for Red Drum, Spot is the best cut bait. But that all factors down to were you live and what the fish are actively feeding on, I’m seen drum caught on Spot, Croaker, Mullet, pinfish
I’m sorry, but what in the hell is a “puppy drum”? Lol
The Koreans have been doing sense the beginning of time this BS
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