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Wave 1 christian UA-cam: sex bad because most of them are single / not married yet Wave 2 christian UA-cam: sex good because now they're married Yeah, no idea how those two are connected Scoob 🤔
@toomuchsci-fi7440 wave 3 hypothetical here... What do you think these two would be saying about sexuality 'post marraige'? Like after divorce? If they were to get divorced (which I in NO way hope for btw), I think it would be interesting to see if it affected the perspectives and advice they give.
@@chronicpain_invisibleillness good question - I think two paths would occur. One would be the anti divorce side that would rant against it and the other would be all "god doesn't want you to be miserable"
They’re so close to realizing that purity culture/modesty, and all of the sexual “ethics” they preach about constantly is what causes women to feel shame around sex or to find it unenjoyable. They’re both adding to the problem they’re trying to solve!
Hah I know, they’re so close, but I don’t think they’ll ever admit online that they were (still are) a part of the problem. Maybe they’ll find a mother word for purity culture though
Hi there! I am a trained somatic sex coach and my two biggest observations of this Instagram live is 1) So much of what they talk about is still about feeling sexy for external reasons and using external stimuli (lingerie, lap and pole dances). We don't need to add more for "excitement" or "tension" when sex still feels uncomfortable (emotionally or physically). In fact, a great deal of sexual challenges people face is down to anxiety. So, taking emotional risks like being vulnerable in learning a lap dance or putting on lingerie can raise the stakes for their anxiety. So, 2) rather than prescriptive, additive exercises to "feel sexy," learning how to live in your body and truly connect and repair your relationship with pleasure will enrich your relationship with eroticism in a long-term, meaningful way. Lingerie is about aesthetics, but learning to notice sensations in your body is a solid pathway to pleasure.
all their advice in regards to sex and intimacy seems to be externalizing it. it's like all these things women can do to get in touch with their sexuality (except of course the obvious self pleasure, because unless you include your husband, that's ungodly). and obviously, they're not gonna ever talk about how damaging purity culture is and how it breeds shame and anxiety about female sexuality, because that would mean admitting that the particular brand of Christianity they subscribe to is toxic and unhealthy. but even beyond that, it's all external stuff. And none of the advice is ever as simple "have a good, deep conversation with your partner about what can be done to make you more comfortable, about what you like and dislike, about what you need in order to feel confident in your sexuality." cuz you know, that would be too simple and make too much sense. like, or, you could just have a healthy relationship with your partner, one where you feel comfortable and empowered to be vulnerable with them because you trust them, which will then translate to having an easier time with physical intimacy. you know, or learning to feel empowered within your own sexuality by embracing it and taking the time to learn what works for you, makes you feel comfortable, makes you feel good, and then bringing that info to your partner (who, obviously, cuz it's a healthy relationship, will enthusiastically take any direction and WANT to help make things easier for you). nope, none of that. not them. guess it's not "god-honoring" enough.
Carlyo out here doing the Lord’s work lol.. but seriously, I love that there are people like you helping spread this information.. purity culture has damaged so many people, that sadly young Christian girls/women think the problem is on the outside instead of internal.
That is sooo true! There were a couple times where I expected her to do her awkward giggle and she didn't. She definitely would have on a Paul and Morgan video.
He's horrible. I cannot stand him, and I think he's emotionally abusive. I liked Morgan, and I actually think she's a lot more Biblically sound than Paul is, but she says the things Paul wants to hear her say. I truly don't think she believes a lot of it.
where did you get these crazy ideas? it couldn't possibly be the shaming purity culture we shoved down your throat for like a decade. no. it has to be because you're just not praying enough. that's it. if you were holier, you wouldn't feel so crappy about yourself
@@bottomofastairwell right like wtf 😂😂 I also love when homophobic religious people who are called out on their homophobia always act shocked and then go on to say gay people shouldn’t be living their full existence as a human being because something something sky daddy? Idk it’s bizarre.
@@Sarah-re7cg and yet we're the screwed up ones who are "indoctrinating" kids. you know, into not feeling shame about their own bodies and giving them crazy ideas like, i dunno, autonomy being a good thing.
Me- I just turned 60 last week and have been married 37 years last month Also me (and husband) laughing wildly picturing me pole dancing, much less lap dancing! I'm not against these things but having had back surgery a few months ago, I don't think it would be anything to attempt at this time. I would love for these conversations to be more open and less shameful for young women, or any age for that matter. My win- getting through 6 decades of life, so far! Geez Louise, I sound ancient! But I've been to GREAT concerts! (Another win!) Thanks B for your thoughtful content. I love your channel! 👍❤️
It never ceases to amaze me how absolutely delicate these two are "How to achieve certain things?" ------ really is it really that hard to say "Orgasm" I mean are we 12 here?
In a separate comment bc the other one was positive: I am honestly really upset that these two are the ones having this conversation when they’ve both spent so long shaming other people for being sexual - especially the question of “why do you think women are not comfortable being sexy for their husband” as if everything that Bethany just said to explain that phenomenon are not what her and her sister and Paul and Morgan have promoted to their audience of sexuality. I don’t know how they can lack the self-awareness in this situation to not see the problem here
They want their cake and to eat it too. Notice how they genuinely think marriage to be some kind of gatekeeping club of sexuality. If they had a woman on the show that wasn’t married and talking about this, they would shame them into oblivion.
@@Sarah-re7cg fr they really believe that after you’re married you’re just magically able to work on your sexuality as if suppressing it your whole life wouldn’t fundamentally change how you viewed it and yourself smh
It really pisses me off that they keep acting so confused why Christian women specifically are struggling so much with sexuality. Bethany and Morgan are literally a part of that problem. They actively participate in shaming women. They are not sex positive at all when it comes to anyone but themselves and putting on a sexual performance for their husband
Morgan completely befuddled by the backlash she received for talking about sex (something so natural and normal) while failing to realize that this is exactly how she treats the LGBTQ+ community in EVERY. FUCKING. VIDEO. My question to Morgan: Why are you so strongly against US?
This is like homophobes freaking out about gay people being more visible and wondering why everything is “political” and not having the mental capacity to understand that their entire existence and perception of the world is built for them so any deviation is “political.” I lol every time religious zealots freak out about everything being about different facets of identity and it’s like ???? they do realize they’re the reason why everything is political, right?
This is a good question. If she believes God doesn’t make mistakes, than someone who isn’t born the sex they identify with, that is not wrong. I am Christian too and I don’t know why so many so called “Christians” spend so much energy of sex, sexual orientation and identity when there are actually problems to solve like homelessness, health care, gap in earning capacity, etc.
Thank you so much for bringing this up; I understand that no one is all good or bad but ppl like to excuse Morgan’s rampant transphobia and homophobia CONSTANTLY bc they feel bad for her being with Paul. I feel bad for her too, but I’m not wasting too much of my empathy when she has none to spare for marginalized ppl.
@@JulieAVL i mean, wasn't jesus out curing the blind and feeding the hungry and stuff? you'd think they'd care more about things like that, and less about what people do with their own bodies or with each other in their private lives
I actually agree with Morgan about women being taught those areas are ugly. Maybe ugly isn’t quite the right word, but shameful. It’s conflicting messages that are thrown at us constantly: we have to keep everything covered from a man’s eyes because he can’t possibly have his own self control; but also, we should be ashamed if we want to find ourselves beautiful and give ourselves pleasure.
I’ve been married for 7 years. I feel like we’ve just barely figured out how to function😂 I just can’t imagine having the audacity of these people speaking like an expert with zero education, training, meaningful personal experience or self awareness.
My win: I've been fighting depression/ennui, and actually managed to do my laundry yesterday (and put it away!) and post an edited video this morning. And now I need a nap. 💙💙
Fascinating to see them try to "lift the taboo" arround whole sex topic, yet still avoid every explicit term by saying "ya know, doing sexy stuff in sexy clothes during sexy time to get the sexy feeling inside 👀". Someone who's not already educated on the topic would still comme out of this conversation having at best a very blurred idea of everything that was talked about, and a reenforced feeling that this topic is in fact not ok to be talked about explicitly 😅
As a former Christian, I actually love your videos. They give me hope for the future. I have found my path in my life, but have great respect the work you do.
The big problem in church is that they preach purity culture so much in church, that a bunch of my friends got married SUPER young just so they could have sex “the right way”. Then they get divorced later, because they jumped in way too quickly
The total lack of self awareness about how their whole worldview builds up these types of attitudes about sex is astonishing. They keep asking 'where did they get these ideas from?' and I am screaming at the screen FROM YOU
@@firedjinndragon technically speaking, since we're going there, lol, I think both, because a term that's without gender at all would then be completely gender neutral, by virtue of being without gender in the first place, and therefore not choosing one or the other side of the binary. Lol, that was a really long way of saying "same thing"
What bothers me and kills their intentions to create “healthy Christian sex” in my eyes is the ignorance around “where these oppressive ideas around sex come from?” As if they haven’t talked about how their church and believes contributed to how they feel upon marrying without having any sexual education or knowledge. Appreciate the point but they’re gonna have to start denouncing purity culture for this to ever stick long term for me.
I think seven years of marriage is very subjective. Yeah it’s a a short amount of time on its own. But if you get married at 21, seven years later that’s a 1/4 of your lifetime. That’s the majority of your adult life. If you’re a career professional seven years is a lot of experience. I think it’s important to remember to always keep learning. But seven years is a lot of time.
My Win: I applied for my first ever scholarship, and I applied to a pre-law summer program. Hopefully, I'll get awarded the scholarship, and I'll get accepted to the program.
THANK you for protecting that childs privacy! I find it absolutely reprehensible how this is only legal because it's the parent, but it is the exact same result for that child when they grow up: photos and videos they DID NOT CONCENT to be posted are all over the internet. Thank you for respecting them
My win this week is realizing how amazing of a boyfriend and friends I have. I had a bit of a breakdown from getting so stressed out and today my bf sent me a joke first thing in the morning to make sure I started my day with a smile while some other friends made sure I was doing okay and gave some very encouraging words. I love having those moments of realizing how blessed you are with the people in your life. It was honestly amazing how much I seemed to relax just a bit later.
My win of the week: making time to do fun art projects for myself. I'm learning self-expression and being happy with doing it, not worrying about it looking 'good' or trying to be perfect at it.
Freudian slip at the beginning there by Morgan. I commented on this Instagram live and it got deleted. So, they aren't open for healthy hard conversations. One issue I have is both GD and P&M have contributed to the uneducated modesty/purity culture fear-based exploring sexuality discussion and then they bluntly state that they have no concept of where these ideas that women are messaging them saying 'seductiveness is bad' and 'being kinky marriage is evil' when this has been their rhetoric online since the beginning. Great to see their worldviews are expanding on these topics, but it feels a bit clickbaity, there was no reflectiveness from either of them, denial the church has had anything to do with fearing sexuality, and low-key shaming women's genuine fear in opening these conversations- Morgan even gaslit her audience regarding the response she gave about the spicy pole dancing becoming sexy in marriage idea- saying 'I don't even know where this came from'
My win? I broke up with my toxic boyfriend and got a date within a week after he told me I’m insufferable and awful to deal with. Idk maybe that was just him. Anyway, the date went well. He’s not a forever partner, but I can have some fun for now lol
just make sure you're both on the same page about "not forever, but fun for now." wouldn't wanna accidentally hurt anyone, you know? but otherwise, have fun! and good for you for ditching the toxic ex. don't you ever settle for less than you're worth again!
55:00 TBH, I actually get what Morgan was talking about here in the sense that society in general likes to tell women and girls that everything that makes them a woman is a flaw and makes them inferior. Young girls can associate the disgusted attitude they endure from those around them concerning their menstrual cycle to their body parts as a whole because of all the fluids and whatnot. It's not just religion that makes girls feel like their body parts are dirty and shameful. It's society at large. And that's not even mentioning the aspect of feeling like you have to compare yourself to others that are presented as being more desirable (like in porn). I may be wrong, but I thought Morgan didn't grow up christian. She likely is referring to these experiences as a girl rather than the religious aspect.
I’m a new subscriber, and I have to say, I really appreciate the fact that you show grace to these fundamentalists and understand that while they may believe and say harmful things, there is always opportunity for growth. Some snarking is too mean-spirited for my liking because it does not take into account that these young women have been brainwashed for their entire lives in very patriarchal churches, and it takes a long time to deprogram sometimes. Looking forward to watching more of your videos!
I've been with my husband for 10 years total, married in 2018. I would never ever call myself an expert. In fact we started couples therapy to work on our communication skills. Even after all these years we still have those issues, and it feels so good. I can only relate to what marriage is like, but I wouldn't want other to model after us.
I cleaned my car! I'm super messy in my car, and I finally decided it needed a full detail. My daughter even helped ( probably because she now drives it sometimes).
My win: nothing super amazing or brilliant but suddenly remembering the Bible for normal people podcast had started its new podcast and having a few episodes to catch up on making the housework during low mental health a little easier for me to get through.
Just here to remember everyone that those two women shamed people for having sex. They literally planted those thoughts of shame, sin and guilt into the heads of their followers. I really appreciate that you as a christian that not every theist is as conservative as those two. If any of those two will talk about drag queens/trans people and grooming, we need to call them out for literally talking about sex while having their children on their laps.
I am living for these yt channels pushing back against these religious fundamentalist groups. What pisses me off is them trying to integrate into “secular” society while also trying to normalize their blatant hate of women, poc, the lgbtq+ community. No. Just no.
Their lack of knowledge about a healthy, fun, enjoyable sexual relationship with their spouse is in part because of how sex education is super restricted for unmarried people. Kind of like what they talked about with how it's not discussed because the church/Christians fear it'll cause others to be tempted or sin. And on top of this, youth aged Christian boys are taught all about how they're super sexual and will have to fight off those urges until they're married, meanwhile sexuality is a taboo subject among Christian girls. It's hardly even acknowledged, with the focus more on "guarding your purity" rather than "keep all those lustful feelings you have under control!" I'm so happy for them that they're interested in learning more about expressing their own sexuality and investing in their own sexual enjoyment, it's not all centered on pleasing their husband.
I was surprised that I didn't disagree with a lot of what was said here. I will say, it felt like Bethany was giving genuine feedback and Morgan was basically just regurgitating what Bethany had already said. This is a good start but lots of growth still needs to happen with both and maturity on Morgan's end I believe.
I’m truly surprised about this conversation because normally Bethany is incoherent, but here she’s got a pretty well-thought out take and articulates herself really well. Talking about sex in Christian marriage should be her focus.
I genuinely think it’s because this is the first time this is like her actual beliefs and not things she’s learned from her parents or her church. This is actually her personal experience and beliefs. Crazy how different she articulates both ideas.
Why do we always put the burden on women? If there’s a discrepancy in sex drive, we say to women, “just want more sex.” We don’t tell the partner with the higher sex drive, “ok, how can YOU take initiative and make sex more comfortable or pleasurable for your partner? Can you try something new with their pleasure in mind, not yours? Are there other ways you can enhance physical intimacy outside of the specific type of sex you want?”
I have a comment, I’m 72 years old and have wondered for a lifetime if how people are interpreting the Bible why is it causing so much hate harm and discontent in our world, has anyone taken a step back to ask is this really what Jesus wanted?
I think if your church is in control of your sex life especially after marriage then your church has a problem. My husband and I figured it out very quickly.
My sex life is between me and my partner. If we start having problems in that regard that we can't work through together alone, then I'll/we'll go to a licensed secular counselor or therapist. I think discussing sex generally should be far less taboo. It should be normalized as a topic, but going to a bunch of friends and family to try to work through your specific sexual issues with your partner seems disrespectful and icky.
I understand your point of view for sure especially if there is a very specific sexual issue someone is dealing with! I do just wish the concept in general wasn’t presented as being so shameful because it makes people embarrassed to talk to the people they trust (or even Google things sometimes) about the broader topics like sex drive, physical discomfort in certain positions, and safe sex/pregnancy prevention in general for those who don’t follow the quiver full line of thinking.
right? like i don't WANT people know to help me with my sex life. i'd much rather it be a licensed stranger. you know, someone i don't have to see in my daily life, who knows my most intimate (literally) secrets and problems.
Christian’s love to say that married Sex (especially if you were both virgins before) is the best sex possible and that “the world” could never know how great it is. But then you see married Christian women struggling with the thought of even being sexy…
Okay, so, I'm going to share something quite personal to me, so apologies in advance for being wordy. I want to give background and context. B, I think you really deserve to hear it my thoughts, and I feel safe telling you a bit of my experiences. I want to speak to what you said about people criticizing you for, like, not knowing about Christianity and wanting to "tear things down". I, very literally, subscribed to your channel BECAUSE of your approach. (Until listening to this particular video, I didn't realize that you're also a believer.) Recently, and over the last couple of years I've found myself deeply struggling with the culture of organized religion, but I am torn because I still find value in and genuinely believe in the teachings of Christ; so I've been on this personal journey of introspection and listening authentically to a wide variety of people's perspectives on spirituality, organized religion, and being human. I've heard people call the process "de-programing"-I'm not sure if that's exactly what I'm doing, but it's certainly akin to it. Anyways, long story short, I have very serious critiques of organized religion and think change needs to happen, but I am also still religious, and reconciling those conflicting feelings has be difficult. There's not been many people I feel comfortable sharing this struggle with, because of polarity on both ends. Generally when I talk to people who have religious paradigms, I'm made to feel like I'M the problem and need dismantling. When I talk to folks who have an atheistic paradigms, GOSPEL is the problem and needs dismantling. Neither, for me, has made sense or felt right. I'm still searching and trying to learn. Absolutely everyone has the right to decide in their lives what is right for them, and that means we'll have lives that look different to each other. I wholeheartedly believe, support, and work to live by that. You're the first person who I have felt such strong resonance with. I so tremendously appreciate your perspective and the way you create content. Thank you so, so much. Your empathy and paradigm matters to me and is helping me in a time where I'm reevaluating my identity and thinking ethically, morally, and spiritually about my life and my relationship with the world. Thank you for your patience, care, and understanding. Thank you for making a channel and being brave in sharing your thoughts. It means so much. Even if it's just to me, you're making a positive difference. Thank you!
I get the impression they don't plan or ponder thier chats, thats why they have no breadth to thier ideas. The conversations they imagine are so husband focused Not have you ever thought... I was thinking i might like ... They seem to lack ownership of an idea.
Hello! I've been watching a few of your videos lately and I really enjoy how you cover these topics. I'm not religious at all and never grew up with that, so it's really helpful when you provide context to the references that I would otherwise not be knowledgeable on- especially related to the Bible. I do think it's interesting to hear Bethany and Morgan talk about these things without recognizing their role their own channels and online presences have contributed to shame regarding sex and sexuality. I say this not to put them down for now talking about sex, but because it might be helpful for other Christian people to be reflective of their views and how they can grow and change their mind over time. Another thing I couldn't help to notice is the fact that Christians, and I think Bethany and Morgan may be included in this, view LGBTQ+ people as groomers or predatory towards children... and yet have no issue talking about sex when their own children are in the room. While I personally don't have an issue with that, I do believe if it were anyone queer doing the same thing that these same Christians would accuse them of predatory behaviour. It's just interesting how hypocritical these particular views can be. Anyway thanks for the content! Have a lovely day.
My win for the week is that a) my BFF is coming to visit tonight! and b) My patience is getting far better with my one year old students. I was never mean or truly impatient but I’m doing much better keeping my emotions in check when dealing with tantrums and I’m really proud of myself. It’s been hard because my parents were not the type for that LOL!
girl you've not heard all the disgusting misogynistic shit men say about our genitalia? Roast beef? comparisons to sandwiches, donuts, etc? I think its a bit delusional to say that women arent made to feel bad about their genitalia by men.
I just wanted to say that I recently discovered you and am so glad I did! These sorts of Christian ethics fascinate me, but the only reacts I find to them are from Athiests who use the fodder to bash on all Christian’s. We aren’t all like this 😂 but I love your reactions and feedback!
My win: I’m a classically trained singer but haven’t been able in front of an audience in almost 25 years. I miss it so much, have considered joining a community choir but haven’t bc I have so much on my plate…. This week I made up my mind! Self care is important, *I* am important, and my psychiatrist says it would be GREAT for my mental health (as opposed to “good” like most self-care practices. Most community choirs where I live (Minneapolis) are by audition. I’ve resumed my old vocal exercises and begun to choose a solo piece. If anyone wants to help me decide, I think I have it narrowed down to two: ua-cam.com/video/AOmLhuC67m4/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/atGa-gkqAsc/v-deo.html
Omg I didn’t know they responded to Jen from fundie Fridays. Totally can’t wait to watch that next 😂 and I can’t wait for One m or both of them to respond to Morgan’s response lol
I can’t tell if Bethany is coming from a place of “I used to struggle to enjoy sex and I learned how to enjoy it and here’s how you can enjoy it too” or “I have yet to enjoy it and I use my platform as a vessel to search for answers.” Either way she gives off a frantic energy and claims to be super open and honest without ever getting to the heart of the topic. No clarity is ever provided. There’s no step A to step B to step C. She seems like 4 years into marriage she’s still learned nothing about herself or her husband.
I think a part of their narrative that is also super damaging is the idea that because they strongly support virginity before marriage, they lack the understanding of those who may fall outside of the sexuality binary they’ve created. Yes, women are constantly shamed for being sexual beings, and purity culture is a huge aspect of this, but it also doesn’t account for the people who may not be into sex with the opposite gender, or anyone at all. Someone who may be struggling because they don’t understand their own sexuality is not taken into account, and then would be forced to “make it work” with a spouse they don’t have any kind of sexual connection with. It’s really sad and disappointing that a lot of Christians may be forced into that for their entire lives without knowing why they feel the way they do.
Like it’s such a heteronormative take on sex and sexuality that it doesn’t acknowledge the fact that the reason you feel this way could be because you’re not attracted to your spouse in the way you’ve been expected to be (not saying that’s the case with Morgan or Bethany, but it is a possibility reason why others may be struggling!)
Well now they have the freedom to actually gain some life experience and knowledge about sexuality. Most of their bad advice has been them encouraging sexual repression via shame.
47:53 I think the “group” that Morgan is referring to is the Daughters of Israel, who serve almost as a sort of Greek chorus in SoS. Literally just read a chapter that is super relevant to this in Rachel Held Evans’ book “A Year of Biblical Womanhood”.
“And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, THAT THEY MAY BE SEEN BY OTHERS. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward."--Matthew 6:5 (emphasis added)
🚨 Big huge TW with flashing lights🚨 …Talk about a husband needing to be shown how to please his wife, 🚨🚨🚨SERIOUSLY TW🚨🚨🚨 My husband was married before, to a woman from his native country…. I have body parts that he’d never seen before. Body parts that are pretty important for s3xual pleasure. 😭😭😭 He’s not happy if I DON’T have an 0rg@$m… so guess what I explained an intact woman’s anatomy. It took about 10 seconds - it’s not that difficult (assuming the wife feels safe in other areas of marriage) It makes me sad that anyone needs to make this a public conversation, and it makes me sad that any woman feels so ashamed that she needs encouragement to communicate with her husband. Especially when I suspect that most men - like my husband - WANT to make their wives feel good!
PASTOR GOES OFF ON HIS CONGREGATION | I see why Mars Hill fell - ua-cam.com/video/uNbW7bq4yCA/v-deo.html
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My win: I have cerebral palsy and from a young age I was worried that I wouldn't be able to have a family of my own. I found out that I'm pregnant.
congratulations!!!!! that is so amazing i hope you have a healthy & happy pregnancy!!
Congratulations! That's wonderful!! ❤️
Congratulations!! 💖
So excited to hear about your pregnancy!! That’s such good news! 💛
Congrats!! I pray you will have a safe birth and a happy healthy baby :)
“Why do we have these ideas about sex?”
THE CALL IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE.
LITERALLY!!
🤣🤣 So true!
Wave 1 christian UA-cam: sex bad because most of them are single / not married yet
Wave 2 christian UA-cam: sex good because now they're married
Yeah, no idea how those two are connected Scoob 🤔
@toomuchsci-fi7440 wave 3 hypothetical here...
What do you think these two would be saying about sexuality 'post marraige'? Like after divorce? If they were to get divorced (which I in NO way hope for btw), I think it would be interesting to see if it affected the perspectives and advice they give.
@@chronicpain_invisibleillness good question - I think two paths would occur. One would be the anti divorce side that would rant against it and the other would be all "god doesn't want you to be miserable"
They’re so close to realizing that purity culture/modesty, and all of the sexual “ethics” they preach about constantly is what causes women to feel shame around sex or to find it unenjoyable. They’re both adding to the problem they’re trying to solve!
Yes. So close and yet so far!
@Katiebobeauty I literally just said this under another comment. Lol! So close and still so far away from getting it. 🤦♀️
Hah I know, they’re so close, but I don’t think they’ll ever admit online that they were (still are) a part of the problem. Maybe they’ll find a mother word for purity culture though
running face first into the point and still missing it. gotta love the willful ignorance
Hi there! I am a trained somatic sex coach and my two biggest observations of this Instagram live is 1) So much of what they talk about is still about feeling sexy for external reasons and using external stimuli (lingerie, lap and pole dances). We don't need to add more for "excitement" or "tension" when sex still feels uncomfortable (emotionally or physically). In fact, a great deal of sexual challenges people face is down to anxiety. So, taking emotional risks like being vulnerable in learning a lap dance or putting on lingerie can raise the stakes for their anxiety.
So, 2) rather than prescriptive, additive exercises to "feel sexy," learning how to live in your body and truly connect and repair your relationship with pleasure will enrich your relationship with eroticism in a long-term, meaningful way. Lingerie is about aesthetics, but learning to notice sensations in your body is a solid pathway to pleasure.
great great point
@carlyo7538 - Thank you for this comment!! Do you have a website?
all their advice in regards to sex and intimacy seems to be externalizing it. it's like all these things women can do to get in touch with their sexuality (except of course the obvious self pleasure, because unless you include your husband, that's ungodly).
and obviously, they're not gonna ever talk about how damaging purity culture is and how it breeds shame and anxiety about female sexuality, because that would mean admitting that the particular brand of Christianity they subscribe to is toxic and unhealthy.
but even beyond that, it's all external stuff. And none of the advice is ever as simple "have a good, deep conversation with your partner about what can be done to make you more comfortable, about what you like and dislike, about what you need in order to feel confident in your sexuality." cuz you know, that would be too simple and make too much sense.
like, or, you could just have a healthy relationship with your partner, one where you feel comfortable and empowered to be vulnerable with them because you trust them, which will then translate to having an easier time with physical intimacy. you know, or learning to feel empowered within your own sexuality by embracing it and taking the time to learn what works for you, makes you feel comfortable, makes you feel good, and then bringing that info to your partner (who, obviously, cuz it's a healthy relationship, will enthusiastically take any direction and WANT to help make things easier for you). nope, none of that. not them. guess it's not "god-honoring" enough.
Carlyo out here doing the Lord’s work lol.. but seriously, I love that there are people like you helping spread this information.. purity culture has damaged so many people, that sadly young Christian girls/women think the problem is on the outside instead of internal.
Is interesting how much more confident and articulate Morgan is when she is not with Paul.
I’ve noticed this too. He discouraged her from pursuing a career in music, where she really seemed to thrive, too.
That is sooo true! There were a couple times where I expected her to do her awkward giggle and she didn't. She definitely would have on a Paul and Morgan video.
He's horrible. I cannot stand him, and I think he's emotionally abusive. I liked Morgan, and I actually think she's a lot more Biblically sound than Paul is, but she says the things Paul wants to hear her say. I truly don't think she believes a lot of it.
@@Nomarcaper. He seems extremely controlling.
Bc Paul interrupts her!!!
My win: I had a mature adult conversation with someone to clear up a miscommunication and now we are doing better than we were before!
I love that! Those kinds of convos can feel kind of awkward to initiate but I’m so glad it worked out for the better 😊
@@BHaney definitely it was pretty nerve-racking to have it!
that is so so hard, very proud of you!!!!
I feel gaslit with them pretending like women are just coming up with these weird ideas that women are so uncomfortable with sexuality
omg it does feel like gaslighting
@@LipSyncLover right?! I feel like I entered the twilight zone
where did you get these crazy ideas? it couldn't possibly be the shaming purity culture we shoved down your throat for like a decade. no. it has to be because you're just not praying enough. that's it. if you were holier, you wouldn't feel so crappy about yourself
@@bottomofastairwell right like wtf 😂😂 I also love when homophobic religious people who are called out on their homophobia always act shocked and then go on to say gay people shouldn’t be living their full existence as a human being because something something sky daddy? Idk it’s bizarre.
@@Sarah-re7cg and yet we're the screwed up ones who are "indoctrinating" kids. you know, into not feeling shame about their own bodies and giving them crazy ideas like, i dunno, autonomy being a good thing.
I have a hunch that their idea of "spicy" is what most would call lukewarm. 🤔
I like the word "tepid" in this case. I know it basically means lukewarm, but it sounds colder 🤣
I know. But if it take sex from duty to joy then let the lukewarm speak flow 💚
Haha! Yes
@@cphcardslinger6871it won't
Win of this week: I enrolled in my Masters!!
Me- I just turned 60 last week and have been married 37 years last month
Also me (and husband) laughing wildly picturing me pole dancing, much less lap dancing! I'm not against these things but having had back surgery a few months ago, I don't think it would be anything to attempt at this time.
I would love for these conversations to be more open and less shameful for young women, or any age for that matter.
My win- getting through 6 decades of life, so far! Geez Louise, I sound ancient! But I've been to GREAT concerts! (Another win!)
Thanks B for your thoughtful content. I love your channel! 👍❤️
hey, concerts are my entire LIFE. so having gone to some great shows is DEFINTEILY a win in my book
It never ceases to amaze me how absolutely delicate these two are "How to achieve certain things?" ------ really is it really that hard to say "Orgasm" I mean are we 12 here?
In a separate comment bc the other one was positive: I am honestly really upset that these two are the ones having this conversation when they’ve both spent so long shaming other people for being sexual - especially the question of “why do you think women are not comfortable being sexy for their husband” as if everything that Bethany just said to explain that phenomenon are not what her and her sister and Paul and Morgan have promoted to their audience of sexuality. I don’t know how they can lack the self-awareness in this situation to not see the problem here
💸💸💸💸💸💸 anything for money and engagment
They want their cake and to eat it too. Notice how they genuinely think marriage to be some kind of gatekeeping club of sexuality. If they had a woman on the show that wasn’t married and talking about this, they would shame them into oblivion.
@@Sarah-re7cg fr they really believe that after you’re married you’re just magically able to work on your sexuality as if suppressing it your whole life wouldn’t fundamentally change how you viewed it and yourself smh
It really pisses me off that they keep acting so confused why Christian women specifically are struggling so much with sexuality. Bethany and Morgan are literally a part of that problem. They actively participate in shaming women. They are not sex positive at all when it comes to anyone but themselves and putting on a sexual performance for their husband
@soph1377 YOU SAID IT!!! AGREE 100%❤
It's rules for thee but not for me kina thing with people like them 💀✋🏽
Morgan completely befuddled by the backlash she received for talking about sex (something so natural and normal) while failing to realize that this is exactly how she treats the LGBTQ+ community in EVERY. FUCKING. VIDEO.
My question to Morgan: Why are you so strongly against US?
THIS 👏🏾👏🏾
This is like homophobes freaking out about gay people being more visible and wondering why everything is “political” and not having the mental capacity to understand that their entire existence and perception of the world is built for them so any deviation is “political.” I lol every time religious zealots freak out about everything being about different facets of identity and it’s like ???? they do realize they’re the reason why everything is political, right?
This is a good question. If she believes God doesn’t make mistakes, than someone who isn’t born the sex they identify with, that is not wrong. I am Christian too and I don’t know why so many so called “Christians” spend so much energy of sex, sexual orientation and identity when there are actually problems to solve like homelessness, health care, gap in earning capacity, etc.
Thank you so much for bringing this up; I understand that no one is all good or bad but ppl like to excuse Morgan’s rampant transphobia and homophobia CONSTANTLY bc they feel bad for her being with Paul. I feel bad for her too, but I’m not wasting too much of my empathy when she has none to spare for marginalized ppl.
@@JulieAVL i mean, wasn't jesus out curing the blind and feeding the hungry and stuff?
you'd think they'd care more about things like that, and less about what people do with their own bodies or with each other in their private lives
I actually agree with Morgan about women being taught those areas are ugly. Maybe ugly isn’t quite the right word, but shameful. It’s conflicting messages that are thrown at us constantly: we have to keep everything covered from a man’s eyes because he can’t possibly have his own self control; but also, we should be ashamed if we want to find ourselves beautiful and give ourselves pleasure.
I’ve been married for 7 years. I feel like we’ve just barely figured out how to function😂 I just can’t imagine having the audacity of these people speaking like an expert with zero education, training, meaningful personal experience or self awareness.
My win: I've been fighting depression/ennui, and actually managed to do my laundry yesterday (and put it away!) and post an edited video this morning. And now I need a nap. 💙💙
It’s so good you accomplished both of those things! I hope you enjoyed your nap 💛
I think it’s funny that they are both suddenly ok with acting like a stripper, and will turn around and trash the women who know how to pole dance.
Paul owes an apology to the democratic party and the “sexual revolution” he was complaining about in another video
Fascinating to see them try to "lift the taboo" arround whole sex topic, yet still avoid every explicit term by saying "ya know, doing sexy stuff in sexy clothes during sexy time to get the sexy feeling inside 👀". Someone who's not already educated on the topic would still comme out of this conversation having at best a very blurred idea of everything that was talked about, and a reenforced feeling that this topic is in fact not ok to be talked about explicitly 😅
As a former Christian, I actually love your videos. They give me hope for the future. I have found my path in my life, but have great respect the work you do.
The big problem in church is that they preach purity culture so much in church, that a bunch of my friends got married SUPER young just so they could have sex “the right way”. Then they get divorced later, because they jumped in way too quickly
So true! I’ve known a few people who have gone through that as well 🙁
The total lack of self awareness about how their whole worldview builds up these types of attitudes about sex is astonishing. They keep asking 'where did they get these ideas from?' and I am screaming at the screen FROM YOU
Also Bethany calling her son 'that?' I was so shocked, poor kid...
I agree and I’m surprised B didn’t point that out
@@firedjinndragon how much do you think she'd flip out if someone pointed out calling her son "that" was indeed using a gender neutral pronoun?
@bottomofastairwell would it be gender neutral or without gender though?
@@firedjinndragon technically speaking, since we're going there, lol, I think both, because a term that's without gender at all would then be completely gender neutral, by virtue of being without gender in the first place, and therefore not choosing one or the other side of the binary.
Lol, that was a really long way of saying "same thing"
What bothers me and kills their intentions to create “healthy Christian sex” in my eyes is the ignorance around “where these oppressive ideas around sex come from?” As if they haven’t talked about how their church and believes contributed to how they feel upon marrying without having any sexual education or knowledge. Appreciate the point but they’re gonna have to start denouncing purity culture for this to ever stick long term for me.
Morgan: I don’t think its the church’s fault
also Morgan: I don’t know why its a hard topic. Its BAFFLING
I think seven years of marriage is very subjective. Yeah it’s a a short amount of time on its own. But if you get married at 21, seven years later that’s a 1/4 of your lifetime. That’s the majority of your adult life. If you’re a career professional seven years is a lot of experience. I think it’s important to remember to always keep learning. But seven years is a lot of time.
My Win: I applied for my first ever scholarship, and I applied to a pre-law summer program. Hopefully, I'll get awarded the scholarship, and I'll get accepted to the program.
That’s super cool! Good luck with your scholarship and program application!!
Clean cancer scan
That is amazing 🎉🎉 so happy to hear that!
THANK you for protecting that childs privacy! I find it absolutely reprehensible how this is only legal because it's the parent, but it is the exact same result for that child when they grow up: photos and videos they DID NOT CONCENT to be posted are all over the internet. Thank you for respecting them
My win for the week: I work as a sweets decorator. Someone that came in the store complimented my work 😊
My win this week is realizing how amazing of a boyfriend and friends I have. I had a bit of a breakdown from getting so stressed out and today my bf sent me a joke first thing in the morning to make sure I started my day with a smile while some other friends made sure I was doing okay and gave some very encouraging words. I love having those moments of realizing how blessed you are with the people in your life. It was honestly amazing how much I seemed to relax just a bit later.
My win of the week: making time to do fun art projects for myself. I'm learning self-expression and being happy with doing it, not worrying about it looking 'good' or trying to be perfect at it.
That’s so important! It’s awesome you’re doing that for yourself 😊🎉
"We've somehow come up with this box in our head." Again, they are so close!
Freudian slip at the beginning there by Morgan. I commented on this Instagram live and it got deleted. So, they aren't open for healthy hard conversations. One issue I have is both GD and P&M have contributed to the uneducated modesty/purity culture fear-based exploring sexuality discussion and then they bluntly state that they have no concept of where these ideas that women are messaging them saying 'seductiveness is bad' and 'being kinky marriage is evil' when this has been their rhetoric online since the beginning. Great to see their worldviews are expanding on these topics, but it feels a bit clickbaity, there was no reflectiveness from either of them, denial the church has had anything to do with fearing sexuality, and low-key shaming women's genuine fear in opening these conversations- Morgan even gaslit her audience regarding the response she gave about the spicy pole dancing becoming sexy in marriage idea- saying 'I don't even know where this came from'
My win? I broke up with my toxic boyfriend and got a date within a week after he told me I’m insufferable and awful to deal with. Idk maybe that was just him. Anyway, the date went well. He’s not a forever partner, but I can have some fun for now lol
just make sure you're both on the same page about "not forever, but fun for now." wouldn't wanna accidentally hurt anyone, you know?
but otherwise, have fun! and good for you for ditching the toxic ex. don't you ever settle for less than you're worth again!
55:00 TBH, I actually get what Morgan was talking about here in the sense that society in general likes to tell women and girls that everything that makes them a woman is a flaw and makes them inferior. Young girls can associate the disgusted attitude they endure from those around them concerning their menstrual cycle to their body parts as a whole because of all the fluids and whatnot. It's not just religion that makes girls feel like their body parts are dirty and shameful. It's society at large.
And that's not even mentioning the aspect of feeling like you have to compare yourself to others that are presented as being more desirable (like in porn).
I may be wrong, but I thought Morgan didn't grow up christian. She likely is referring to these experiences as a girl rather than the religious aspect.
I’m a new subscriber, and I have to say, I really appreciate the fact that you show grace to these fundamentalists and understand that while they may believe and say harmful things, there is always opportunity for growth. Some snarking is too mean-spirited for my liking because it does not take into account that these young women have been brainwashed for their entire lives in very patriarchal churches, and it takes a long time to deprogram sometimes. Looking forward to watching more of your videos!
I've been with my husband for 10 years total, married in 2018. I would never ever call myself an expert. In fact we started couples therapy to work on our communication skills. Even after all these years we still have those issues, and it feels so good. I can only relate to what marriage is like, but I wouldn't want other to model after us.
My win: I finally took the step to make sourdough and I love the journey so far 🎉
That’s so fun! I hope it turns out delicious 💛🎉
I cleaned my car! I'm super messy in my car, and I finally decided it needed a full detail. My daughter even helped ( probably because she now drives it sometimes).
That’s great! Having a clean car is such a good feeling 😍
My win: nothing super amazing or brilliant but suddenly remembering the Bible for normal people podcast had started its new podcast and having a few episodes to catch up on making the housework during low mental health a little easier for me to get through.
I’m so glad you posted this reaction because I could not get through their video on it’s own.
Girl Defined is the incarnation of religious trauma
Just here to remember everyone that those two women shamed people for having sex. They literally planted those thoughts of shame, sin and guilt into the heads of their followers. I really appreciate that you as a christian that not every theist is as conservative as those two.
If any of those two will talk about drag queens/trans people and grooming, we need to call them out for literally talking about sex while having their children on their laps.
Aw, killer "Win!" My Win for the week: My roommate got this $600 Costco credit thing, so we stocked the fridge/freezer for the apocalypse 🤘
Thank you 💛 and very nice! There’s nothing quite like a massive Costco haul!
My win: my husband and I bought a house! We close in a month :)
I am living for these yt channels pushing back against these religious fundamentalist groups. What pisses me off is them trying to integrate into “secular” society while also trying to normalize their blatant hate of women, poc, the lgbtq+ community. No. Just no.
I feel like the pole dancing class for wives is fun concept. 😂
Their lack of knowledge about a healthy, fun, enjoyable sexual relationship with their spouse is in part because of how sex education is super restricted for unmarried people. Kind of like what they talked about with how it's not discussed because the church/Christians fear it'll cause others to be tempted or sin. And on top of this, youth aged Christian boys are taught all about how they're super sexual and will have to fight off those urges until they're married, meanwhile sexuality is a taboo subject among Christian girls. It's hardly even acknowledged, with the focus more on "guarding your purity" rather than "keep all those lustful feelings you have under control!"
I'm so happy for them that they're interested in learning more about expressing their own sexuality and investing in their own sexual enjoyment, it's not all centered on pleasing their husband.
I was surprised that I didn't disagree with a lot of what was said here. I will say, it felt like Bethany was giving genuine feedback and Morgan was basically just regurgitating what Bethany had already said. This is a good start but lots of growth still needs to happen with both and maturity on Morgan's end I believe.
I’m truly surprised about this conversation because normally Bethany is incoherent, but here she’s got a pretty well-thought out take and articulates herself really well. Talking about sex in Christian marriage should be her focus.
I genuinely think it’s because this is the first time this is like her actual beliefs and not things she’s learned from her parents or her church. This is actually her personal experience and beliefs. Crazy how different she articulates both ideas.
Why do we always put the burden on women? If there’s a discrepancy in sex drive, we say to women, “just want more sex.” We don’t tell the partner with the higher sex drive, “ok, how can YOU take initiative and make sex more comfortable or pleasurable for your partner? Can you try something new with their pleasure in mind, not yours? Are there other ways you can enhance physical intimacy outside of the specific type of sex you want?”
I have a comment, I’m 72 years old and have wondered for a lifetime if how people are interpreting the Bible why is it causing so much hate harm and discontent in our world, has anyone taken a step back to ask is this really what Jesus wanted?
my win: My husband took me to a lake on top of a mountain yesterday🌞 love your videos💖
How fun! That must have been gorgeous 😊
Win for the week: I had a therapeutic breakthrough which caused my confidence to skyrocket and had a heart to heart with my mom.
I think if your church is in control of your sex life especially after marriage then your church has a problem. My husband and I figured it out very quickly.
My sex life is between me and my partner. If we start having problems in that regard that we can't work through together alone, then I'll/we'll go to a licensed secular counselor or therapist. I think discussing sex generally should be far less taboo. It should be normalized as a topic, but going to a bunch of friends and family to try to work through your specific sexual issues with your partner seems disrespectful and icky.
I understand your point of view for sure especially if there is a very specific sexual issue someone is dealing with! I do just wish the concept in general wasn’t presented as being so shameful because it makes people embarrassed to talk to the people they trust (or even Google things sometimes) about the broader topics like sex drive, physical discomfort in certain positions, and safe sex/pregnancy prevention in general for those who don’t follow the quiver full line of thinking.
right? like i don't WANT people know to help me with my sex life. i'd much rather it be a licensed stranger. you know, someone i don't have to see in my daily life, who knows my most intimate (literally) secrets and problems.
Performed w a professional jazz group, felt out of my league but killed it 😁
Christian’s love to say that married Sex (especially if you were both virgins before) is the best sex possible and that “the world” could never know how great it is. But then you see married Christian women struggling with the thought of even being sexy…
Okay, so, I'm going to share something quite personal to me, so apologies in advance for being wordy. I want to give background and context. B, I think you really deserve to hear it my thoughts, and I feel safe telling you a bit of my experiences.
I want to speak to what you said about people criticizing you for, like, not knowing about Christianity and wanting to "tear things down". I, very literally, subscribed to your channel BECAUSE of your approach. (Until listening to this particular video, I didn't realize that you're also a believer.) Recently, and over the last couple of years I've found myself deeply struggling with the culture of organized religion, but I am torn because I still find value in and genuinely believe in the teachings of Christ; so I've been on this personal journey of introspection and listening authentically to a wide variety of people's perspectives on spirituality, organized religion, and being human. I've heard people call the process "de-programing"-I'm not sure if that's exactly what I'm doing, but it's certainly akin to it. Anyways, long story short, I have very serious critiques of organized religion and think change needs to happen, but I am also still religious, and reconciling those conflicting feelings has be difficult. There's not been many people I feel comfortable sharing this struggle with, because of polarity on both ends. Generally when I talk to people who have religious paradigms, I'm made to feel like I'M the problem and need dismantling. When I talk to folks who have an atheistic paradigms, GOSPEL is the problem and needs dismantling. Neither, for me, has made sense or felt right. I'm still searching and trying to learn.
Absolutely everyone has the right to decide in their lives what is right for them, and that means we'll have lives that look different to each other. I wholeheartedly believe, support, and work to live by that.
You're the first person who I have felt such strong resonance with. I so tremendously appreciate your perspective and the way you create content. Thank you so, so much. Your empathy and paradigm matters to me and is helping me in a time where I'm reevaluating my identity and thinking ethically, morally, and spiritually about my life and my relationship with the world. Thank you for your patience, care, and understanding. Thank you for making a channel and being brave in sharing your thoughts. It means so much. Even if it's just to me, you're making a positive difference. Thank you!
@Elizabeth Webb Thank you very much for your kind words. I really appreciate it!
😂 these women just need a cosmopolitan magazine.
My win: I didn’t have any photo radar tickets from the past year when I went to re-register my car.
My dad would have loved something like that golf tournament! I'm so glad you both had a great time!
She Works Smart sounds like a knock off of She Lives Freed and I do not believe that is a coincidence.
Win: getting to take walks in my neighborhood after work since it's staying lighter later!
Yay!! It’s so nice when the days get longer 😊
This economy has all of us out here working.
I get the impression they don't plan or ponder thier chats, thats why they have no breadth to thier ideas.
The conversations they imagine are so husband focused
Not
have you ever thought...
I was thinking i might like ...
They seem to lack ownership of an idea.
My win is that I made cupcakes with my little brother and they turned out great:)
Hello! I've been watching a few of your videos lately and I really enjoy how you cover these topics. I'm not religious at all and never grew up with that, so it's really helpful when you provide context to the references that I would otherwise not be knowledgeable on- especially related to the Bible.
I do think it's interesting to hear Bethany and Morgan talk about these things without recognizing their role their own channels and online presences have contributed to shame regarding sex and sexuality. I say this not to put them down for now talking about sex, but because it might be helpful for other Christian people to be reflective of their views and how they can grow and change their mind over time.
Another thing I couldn't help to notice is the fact that Christians, and I think Bethany and Morgan may be included in this, view LGBTQ+ people as groomers or predatory towards children... and yet have no issue talking about sex when their own children are in the room. While I personally don't have an issue with that, I do believe if it were anyone queer doing the same thing that these same Christians would accuse them of predatory behaviour. It's just interesting how hypocritical these particular views can be.
Anyway thanks for the content! Have a lovely day.
I love the deflection from blaming the church
my win is definitely managing to snag beyoncé tickets for me and my cousin 🥳🥳🥳
Aaah!! That’s so exciting! 🎉
My win: my two cats love me!! Thusly, I win every week ~
My win was securing a hotel for my trip to Tampa Fl in 2 weeks!! 🥰 going to busch gardens and the beach with my boyfriend for the week
So cool! I hope you have an amazing trip!!
My win for the week is that a) my BFF is coming to visit tonight! and b) My patience is getting far better with my one year old students. I was never mean or truly impatient but I’m doing much better keeping my emotions in check when dealing with tantrums and I’m really proud of myself. It’s been hard because my parents were not the type for that LOL!
The one on the bottom looks like a judgy Christian Meghan trainor
girl you've not heard all the disgusting misogynistic shit men say about our genitalia? Roast beef? comparisons to sandwiches, donuts, etc? I think its a bit delusional to say that women arent made to feel bad about their genitalia by men.
Absolutely. The patriarchal standards and objectifation of women's bodies is prevalent to us even from a young age.
I just wanted to say that I recently discovered you and am so glad I did! These sorts of Christian ethics fascinate me, but the only reacts I find to them are from Athiests who use the fodder to bash on all Christian’s. We aren’t all like this 😂 but I love your reactions and feedback!
Lol it makes me so uncomfortable how uncomfortable they sound talking about this
My win: I’m a classically trained singer but haven’t been able in front of an audience in almost 25 years. I miss it so much, have considered joining a community choir but haven’t bc I have so much on my plate…. This week I made up my mind! Self care is important, *I* am important, and my psychiatrist says it would be GREAT for my mental health (as opposed to “good” like most self-care practices.
Most community choirs where I live (Minneapolis) are by audition. I’ve resumed my old vocal exercises and begun to choose a solo piece.
If anyone wants to help me decide, I think I have it narrowed down to two:
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My win is starting my garden.
i love that- sounds awesome
Omg I didn’t know they responded to Jen from fundie Fridays. Totally can’t wait to watch that next 😂 and I can’t wait for One m or both of them to respond to Morgan’s response lol
wun for the week: Got most of my hw done lmao
They so badly need to read Shelia Wray Gregoires book “The Great Sex Rescue”… but they probably never will.
They are so close to the point when talking about there not being a box that sexuality has to fit in, the cognitive dissonance is so frustrating.
I can’t tell if Bethany is coming from a place of “I used to struggle to enjoy sex and I learned how to enjoy it and here’s how you can enjoy it too” or “I have yet to enjoy it and I use my platform as a vessel to search for answers.” Either way she gives off a frantic energy and claims to be super open and honest without ever getting to the heart of the topic. No clarity is ever provided. There’s no step A to step B to step C. She seems like 4 years into marriage she’s still learned nothing about herself or her husband.
Morgan comes across more laidback without Paul there.
I think a part of their narrative that is also super damaging is the idea that because they strongly support virginity before marriage, they lack the understanding of those who may fall outside of the sexuality binary they’ve created. Yes, women are constantly shamed for being sexual beings, and purity culture is a huge aspect of this, but it also doesn’t account for the people who may not be into sex with the opposite gender, or anyone at all. Someone who may be struggling because they don’t understand their own sexuality is not taken into account, and then would be forced to “make it work” with a spouse they don’t have any kind of sexual connection with. It’s really sad and disappointing that a lot of Christians may be forced into that for their entire lives without knowing why they feel the way they do.
Like it’s such a heteronormative take on sex and sexuality that it doesn’t acknowledge the fact that the reason you feel this way could be because you’re not attracted to your spouse in the way you’ve been expected to be (not saying that’s the case with Morgan or Bethany, but it is a possibility reason why others may be struggling!)
I’ve seen both objectification and shame/disgust of women’s bodies and it’s something that was always confusing to see growing up.
See this is real advice, some much better than their books. You can tell they're grown a lot.
I agree. I think they have some more growing to do (just like we all do!) but this is a good start!
Well now they have the freedom to actually gain some life experience and knowledge about sexuality. Most of their bad advice has been them encouraging sexual repression via shame.
Welcome to the sixties ladies.
I’m also uncomfortable with the baby given the content.
47:53 I think the “group” that Morgan is referring to is the Daughters of Israel, who serve almost as a sort of Greek chorus in SoS. Literally just read a chapter that is super relevant to this in Rachel Held Evans’ book “A Year of Biblical Womanhood”.
my win: spending officially 4 years w the loml
“And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, THAT THEY MAY BE SEEN BY OTHERS. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward."--Matthew 6:5 (emphasis added)
I also do the “miss” and “Mr” thing with my kids lol 10:25
My win: I started a second job!
"Whole could have two meanings." 😆 ...you made me giggle. I love when I genuinely make an accidental pun. I feel so proud afterwards. Haha
I’m glad I’m not the only one who laughed about that 😂
🚨 Big huge TW with flashing lights🚨 …Talk about a husband needing to be shown how to please his wife, 🚨🚨🚨SERIOUSLY TW🚨🚨🚨
My husband was married before, to a woman from his native country…. I have body parts that he’d never seen before. Body parts that are pretty important for s3xual pleasure. 😭😭😭
He’s not happy if I DON’T have an 0rg@$m… so guess what I explained an intact woman’s anatomy. It took about 10 seconds - it’s not that difficult (assuming the wife feels safe in other areas of marriage)
It makes me sad that anyone needs to make this a public conversation, and it makes me sad that any woman feels so ashamed that she needs encouragement to communicate with her husband. Especially when I suspect that most men - like my husband - WANT to make their wives feel good!
Pole dancing and lap dancing seems like topics Paul would be horrified with.
The makeout sesh : rachel hollis vibes...
True! I forgot she used to talk about that lol.