that's a good thinking at the same time you cannot deny that it's not happening "anymore". It is "over with" in a sense because you cannot bring that same experience back without forcing yourself to really think on it, and even then, it's only for a brief moment.
I was almost afraid to listen to this-Joe was often not the most sensitive guy in the world-but this was “good Joe.” And he’s right. It’s easy to be really bummed that Jaco didn’t get to live a full life, and that there was so much more music we could have had from him. But what’s the point? Might as well just be grateful that we were around (if we’re old enough) while Jaco was streaking across the sky. And grateful that we have so much of his work to listen to.
Joe was a deep cat! I knew him for many years and he never failed to surprise.His last sentence really reflects so much about life that we are watching and maybe not appreciating
Jaco shared his gift with the world. I don't think he had a choice. We received that gift and should continue Jaco's quest. I'll bet most younger people today never heard of Jaco Pastorius the greatest bass player who ever lived. Turn them on to his music & that's how we keep Jaco alive in the human heart. RIP JACO♥♥♥
I remember being present at a Zawinul Syndicate sound check in Glasgow 1990. They played Marvin Gaye's 'What's Going On', after which Joe Zawinul turned to the band and said (and I quote), "I was much more upset when I heard about Marvin Gaye's death than I was about Jaco." Hand on heart, they were his exact words.
@Wayne Long nope, he wasn't drunk. I'd been chatting with him for the previous 30 minutes, along with the tour manager at the time. He was fully alert and lucid. Definitely not drunk.
@@erikosilacius as also Dave Truijllio produced "Jaco" documentary seems to suggest, Zawinul and Pastorius never got along well. Geniuses sometimes do not. Sure Jaco was the weakest, usure, moody and fragile one. Zawinul, egoic asmuch, more accultured and experienced, have had already 15 years of a top career with the likes of Ben Webster, Cannonball, Davis ....
As a huge fan of The Weather Report and Joe Zawinul, even from his time playing with Miles...but, with all due respectNo one was harder and sometimes even came off as envious (yes, there I said it) on Jaco than Joe Zawinul! Maybe he should've told him how much Jaco was important when he was alive! As a matter of fact, ALOT of musicians that were Jaco's peers didn't want to associate themselves with Jaco in his later years! (And yes, we ALL know the psychiatric problems he had) but still...gone TOO soon!
Yes, I can't agree more. Joe was always a music (dictator) in a way without making him a coldblooded tyrant, but Joe had a very clear landscaping of his music in his mind way long before it could reach all of his fellow great musicians to interpret. Jaco had his issues, but He was that kind of genius musician that Joe envy. They were both of same material in that sense! Miss them so, . inspite Joe's phenomenal monologue here!
The same man who upon hearing Liberty City for the first time described it as sounding like "some high school big band bullshit",said of course because Jaco was starting out with his album Word of Mouth and Joe was well pissed off about it.
I think Joe did what he could but unfortunately the drinking really did start him down the wrong path but I've been better if he never got that popular
I saw Weather Report with Jaco two times. The first time it was a brilliant concert with a pretty disciplined Jaco. The second time was disappointing. Jaco had become a diva, he played way too loud, nearly like a hard rock bassman sometimes. The tensions within the band were obvious as suddenly Wayne with his style was kind of isolated as the keyboards and drums tried to cope with Jaco´s style and volume. It was inevitable to say bye to him. Fun fact - at that second consert I sat in the first row together my then girlfriend who was a real beauty. Jaco spent quite some time flirting with her. He kept on playing but stood just right in front of her and making a clown of himself. After a while he looked at me and I made a gesture like: it´s my girlfriend, dude. He smiled at me with an expression like: never mind, it was just a try. Then he turned and reconcentrated on the band. Tell me, would you behave on a concert like that?
We miss you to Joe. We are happy that you were here. I watched you play in person. I will always have those memories with me. Hope to see you and Jaco again in the next world.
If you go back and listen to Jaco's lines, and you appreciate how good he was, then you are probably talented yourself, takes one to know one, right? You might not play as good as him, but one gift Jaco gave the world was the ability to level up through him. Or you can just listen and enjoy. I've heard Palladium enough to make Wayne cry...
Honestly, I all but gave up listening to music when Zawinul died. Jaco was a very bright flame, Zawinul was a slow steady bonfire..Both were genius in their own way,, both brought the best out of the other, rivalry or not. Each did their best work with, and likely because of, the other., starting with Black Market. (Cannonball).
Would Weather Report have existed without Joe Zawinul? We can talk about personal relationships being difficult or going sour, or whatever, but the personalities and their chemistry makes the music. They might have had difficult relations, but they made great music. That's what I'll remember.
Your question truly should be, "Would Weather Report have existed without Joe Zawinul and Wayne Shorter?" Why do you people continue to minimize Wayne's roll in Weather Report? It was clearly Joe and Wayne's project when they started it in 1970. Joe played for Cannonbal Adderly, Wayne played with Art Blakey and Miles Davis. They were both highly recognized jazz musicians who played 3 of the most influential jazz musicians of the lat 1950s and 1960s. Have you actually even deeply listened to the things Wayne Shorter has played? C'mon, now.
Joe was kind of upset, not to say jealous, about Jaco's great, unique talent and notoriety... That is my own feeling... Jaco was indeed the world's best bass player, thank you Mr Pastorius for the music & joy you gave us, I'm so sad because you didn't deserve to end your life in such a tragic way ❣️ Jaco was too sensitive for this foolish world 🙏
Jaco was a young handsome, very talented and musically able young man when he joined Weather Report and Joe's true personality was that of a leader and Jaco's young rock star charisma and unstable personality threw a wrench in that during his time in WR, and Wayne Shorter just laid in the cut and stayed out of that b.s; Jaco was around the same age as people like Steve Howe, Chris Squire and Bill Bruford of Yes and other rock musicians of that era. I mean, it ain't rocket science. That's all it was, the young talented long haired kid and the older and equally if not overall more supremely talented older and balding genius and his project of which he co-founded with the overlooked extreme other genius of Wayne Shorter, whose personality was more laid back, but for some reason..., Jaco fans (who clearly still never listen to anyone else but "Jaco") seem to consistently reduce or view Shorter as the 3rd wheel of a group and concept of which he co-founded who also has played with some of the truest giants of jazz music history and has composed some of the most profound music in the history of music, let alone, jazz music. The dynamic between Joe and Jaco was as obvious as night and day: young talented long haired guy and the older balding talented older guy who co-founded the WR situation 5 to 6 years prior. Obviously, you've NEVER truly paid any attention to Joe Zawanul's compositions or live performances with Cannonball Adderley, other notable greats, and Weather Report before, during and after Jaco's time with WR.
@@skineyemin4276 Jaco was a great player, no doubt, but also a troubled soul. I"m sure he was a challenge for Joe and the whole Weather Report band at times. Some of it was age, as you suggest. Some was personality and his almost singular dedication to his art. It seemed to me that he got lost in his art, to the point of being self destructive. There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I don't think Jaco knew how to walk that line.
We all have a mission, a purpose, a plan. And that's when it becomes tricky: there are two kinds of people, the ones that are lucky enough to accomplish what they were meant to, and then there are the others. Trust me, it can kill you very slowly to be part of the second group (I'm talking from experience, sadly). Jaco and Joe were masters, and they brought us so much. Gratitude forever.
Saw him live in San Diego in 1983..with the love of my life behind me and jaco p on the bandstand 20 feet away. That when I knew it never get better that this...never sat down the entire evening because I knew I was bearing witness to history. How many people ever saw jaco play live.
I had the pleasure and dare I say-- the honor- of seeing Jaco play live with weather report-- 1981 at the Greek Theater-- Berkeley California -had pretty good seats down on the floor-- maybe a hundred feet away from the stage--myself as well as music lovers around me-- knew we were witnessing greatness--weather report was on that night-- powerful magical jazz rock Fusion at its best-- I'm old enough to have witnessed several Jazz Greats playing their hearts out-- but that night was special-- Pete on drums Wayne on sax-- Joe and Jaco--cant remember the percussion--not manolo--but that was one of those times musical virtuosos-- through the power of their talent really hit you upside the head--rest in power Joe and Jaco--
I saw them twice in Austin Texas in the 80s. Brought some of my buddies the second time. One really got into WR after that. Then I moved to LA after college and went to see Peter perform with his small ensemble at club Largo I think it was. Went back stage after and asked him if there was anything that could have been done about Jaco and Peter got kinda upset at me. I was young and star struck and just wanted to talk to Peter. That’s my WR story. One of my favorite bands and individual musicians of all time.
I love "Elegant People" like this. Also we have countless of pictures and videos and interviews of Jaco, including many of his recordings. Therefore not only will his music never die, but his image and and mannerism on stage were captured so that the whole world can see it now on this website, in case you missed him in the "time" period in which he lived. Thanks to technology we have this, hopefully the industries will release more recordings and videos to illuminate his life even more.
Alphonso Johnson played bass on "Elegant People" and on more than half of Weather Report's "Black Market" album. I believe Jaco played on only 2 tracks of that album. Why don't you actually look up the info before posting clueless bullshit comments?
@@skineyemin4276 I know who played on what track and who composed as I have been a fan of WR for about 3 decades (I had all their albums when I was a teenager). I was referring to linear notes from a CD Live & Unreleased where Shorter said that he felt that the individuals were elegant people in general.
It's just seems kind of funny to me that one of the coolest tracks ever composed by Wayne Shorter and recorded by Weather Report seems to still give Jaco credit for something he had absolutely nothing to do with while at the same time minimizing the role of Alphonso Johnson.
i think that was an apporiate response. joe was a seasoned veteran by the point of meeting jaco. so he probably looked a little crazy as an unknown kid saying 'i'm the greatest bassist who ever lived'
Joe really shit on Jaco, as documented in the movie "Jaco." Joe's opinion meant alot to Jaco so he played Joe his (upcoming) Word of Mouth on the plane and Joe completely shut it down as "bullshit." The movie sites this incident as a pivotal point in Jaco's descent, just before the Havana Jam festival.
Nah, Jaco was much young, better looking, had all of his hair..., on top of being a great bassist/musician. That was merely about some normal older cat, younger cat dynamic; happens all the time, especially, in music.
Beautifully said. It's sad that he was made out to be an ass in the Jaco movie and maybe he and Jaco were competitive but I'm sure he always cared about him even after he left Weather Report
Joe, huh? what Joe? 55 seconds of _________, rather than saying something from the heart he spoke in circles. Jaco was a big reason Weather Report rocketed to the next level of fame and popularity in the mid to late 70’s.
That was from the heart he's thinking about how Jaco is still alive in a certain sense when you consider people's impact and I think it's a profound thought
+Michael Howard Which documentary? Would you mind elaborating on this? I know they had a difficult relationship, with gamesmanship and father/son dynamics, and finally the introduction of alcohol and drugs into the situation.
+danjugle The New Jaco documentary. Was a single showing in NYC last night. My understanding soon to be on net flicks. By the Mettalica bass player. Was sad as I loved Joes work. Per the movie-Joe tried the "Miles" treatment on Jaco. Joe is not Miles-and Miles had a tender spot for those he cared for as well.
Thanks for the reply. I had no idea there was a showing, I'm right on LI and would've gone! By Miles treatment, you mean he was sort of cold and treated Jaco like nothing he did was good enough? Sorry to bother you, but you piqued my interest and I feel like I have to know, as the music of Joe, WR, and Jaco in particular is deep in my heart for more than half of my life now. Thanks again.
+Michael Howard He was rough, and he is like this with most co-players, except he didn't do that treatment to Bona at all. Jaco's death did hurt Joe a lot however I can tell you that, but his opinions on Jaco's music was exaggerated out of spite when spoken, but in reality Jaco's composition skills weren't extraordinary as compared to his way of playing, and Joe actually knew this.
+danjugle In the movie, they show how much work Jaco put into the "Word of Mouth" album, and how proud he was of it. But then when he played it for Zawinul, JZ said something like it being "high school big band garbage." Jaco was really hurt by that and I think it even put him into a big state of depression.
@@hjhsyn Because his friends were musicians, not clinical psychiatrist or psychologist :-( Jaco's mental state degenerated to the point that he was literally less than 25% of himself. He could still "quote a lick" another musician just played...in realtime...on the bass, but bi-polarity had made him quite physically and verbally combative. This wasn't a mild case of being bi-polar...it was severe. The guy that killed him was obviously using his martial arts skills in an unethical manner (meaning that Jaco was not "an opponent" who knew martial arts), but again...he was not a clinical psychiatrist or psychologist :-(
Jaco was mentally ill...living on a bench, eating Mcdonald's to survive. The so-called friends were nowhere to be found that night when he jumped on stage at a Santana concert and got killed.
Stupid reasoning. The guy is dead. We get sad at death cause we don't experience the physical person in our arms anymore, the person is gone. What's he on about. Sure his memory is still with us and his music, but it's the person we want back
People are here for a moment. Make a mark in the earth and are gone. Whatever you have been given to do do it with all of your might as they did.
Wow, gotta love that last sentence....."One should never cry that it's over with....one should be happy that it was"
Joe Zawinul
Belman5 he was referencing Dr suess
that's a good thinking at the same time you cannot deny that it's not happening "anymore". It is "over with" in a sense because you cannot bring that same experience back without forcing yourself to really think on it, and even then, it's only for a brief moment.
dETROITfUNK
I’m not sure he hated Jaco. I believe he was more threatened by him.
@@detroitfunk313 this is a pretty ignorant thing to say.
@@TrdFrgsn maybe Zawinul felt contrasted, diminished by Jaco's flowing talent. Who knows why he was so pissed off by him
"A person like that is never gone" that is a great compliment.
RIP Josef Erich "Joe" Zawinul and John "Jaco" Francis Pastorius III
I've never heard anyone say that before. Worth remembering.
I was almost afraid to listen to this-Joe was often not the most sensitive guy in the world-but this was “good Joe.” And he’s right. It’s easy to be really bummed that Jaco didn’t get to live a full life, and that there was so much more music we could have had from him. But what’s the point? Might as well just be grateful that we were around (if we’re old enough) while Jaco was streaking across the sky. And grateful that we have so much of his work to listen to.
So true.we saw WR first row after Night Passage!
Words of wisdom from a man gifted beyond most mere mortals, Thanks Joe
Joe was a deep cat! I knew him for many years and he never failed to surprise.His last sentence really reflects so much about life that we are watching and maybe not appreciating
You knew him?
Jaco shared his gift with the world. I don't think he had a choice. We received that gift and should continue Jaco's quest. I'll bet most younger people today never heard of Jaco Pastorius the greatest bass player who ever lived. Turn them on to his music & that's how we keep Jaco alive in the human heart.
RIP JACO♥♥♥
JACO lives forever in our memories.............. what a talented musician.
We miss both of them.
beautiful said. perfect.
Applies equally to JZ himself...
It brings tears to my eyes to see Josef here. Bless you Joe
I remember being present at a Zawinul Syndicate sound check in Glasgow 1990. They played Marvin Gaye's 'What's Going On', after which Joe Zawinul turned to the band and said (and I quote), "I was much more upset when I heard about Marvin Gaye's death than I was about Jaco." Hand on heart, they were his exact words.
Ouch....
Thanks for this (sad) story.
@Wayne Long nope, he wasn't drunk. I'd been chatting with him for the previous 30 minutes, along with the tour manager at the time. He was fully alert and lucid. Definitely not drunk.
@Wayne Long I know what a drunk man looks and sounds like. He wasn't drunk. He was speaking his mind. Simple.
@@futilityroom Oh wow... why do you think Joe was so cold about Jaco at times?
@@erikosilacius as also Dave Truijllio produced "Jaco" documentary seems to suggest, Zawinul and Pastorius never got along well. Geniuses sometimes do not. Sure Jaco was the weakest, usure, moody and fragile one. Zawinul, egoic asmuch, more accultured and experienced, have had already 15 years of a top career with the likes of Ben Webster, Cannonball, Davis ....
Spectacular! Such an interesting perspective and wisdom. Thank you so much for sharing this.
great words and very profound.
Thank you for sharing.
As a huge fan of The Weather Report and Joe Zawinul, even from his time playing with Miles...but, with all due respectNo one was harder and sometimes even came off as envious (yes, there I said it) on Jaco than Joe Zawinul! Maybe he should've told him how much Jaco was important when he was alive! As a matter of fact, ALOT of musicians that were Jaco's peers didn't want to associate themselves with Jaco in his later years! (And yes, we ALL know the psychiatric problems he had) but still...gone TOO soon!
I COMPLETELY AGREE with what you said there!!!
Yes, I can't agree more. Joe was always a music (dictator) in a way without making him a coldblooded tyrant, but Joe had a very clear landscaping of his music in his mind way long before it could reach all of his fellow great musicians to interpret. Jaco had his issues, but He was that kind of genius musician that Joe envy. They were both of same material in that sense! Miss them so, . inspite Joe's phenomenal monologue here!
The same man who upon hearing Liberty City for the first time described it as sounding like "some high school big band bullshit",said of course because Jaco was starting out with his album Word of Mouth and Joe was well pissed off about it.
I think Joe did what he could but unfortunately the drinking really did start him down the wrong path but I've been better if he never got that popular
I saw Weather Report with Jaco two times. The first time it was a brilliant concert with a pretty disciplined Jaco. The second time was disappointing. Jaco had become a diva, he played way too loud, nearly like a hard rock bassman sometimes. The tensions within the band were obvious as suddenly Wayne with his style was kind of isolated as the keyboards and drums tried to cope with Jaco´s style and volume. It was inevitable to say bye to him.
Fun fact - at that second consert I sat in the first row together my then girlfriend who was a real beauty. Jaco spent quite some time flirting with her. He kept on playing but stood just right in front of her and making a clown of himself. After a while he looked at me and I made a gesture like: it´s my girlfriend, dude. He smiled at me with an expression like: never mind, it was just a try. Then he turned and reconcentrated on the band.
Tell me, would you behave on a concert like that?
We miss you to Joe. We are happy that you were here. I watched you play in person. I will always have those memories with me. Hope to see you and Jaco again in the next world.
I couldn’t agree more. Thank you!
very wise words
To whoever posted this video: 1) thank you, and 2) please correct the title-the word should be “loss,” not “lost”
Thank you Dave. Nicolas.
One should never cry, just be happy that it was...
A great slice of philosophy!
I am so very happy to hear this, and remember the joy that is.
Too bloody right, Joe. I remember parts of some of those concerts, like it was yesterday.
I miss both and the good thing... they never die and keep living in many ways
If you go back and listen to Jaco's lines, and you appreciate how good he was, then you are probably talented yourself, takes one to know one, right? You might not play as good as him, but one gift Jaco gave the world was the ability to level up through him. Or you can just listen and enjoy. I've heard Palladium enough to make Wayne cry...
Joe...going deep. R.I.P sir!
The first time he met Jaco he told him...'get the f..k out of here' after Jaco introduced himself as the world's greatest bass player
TRUE!
"Hi, my name is John Francis Pastorius the third, and I am the greatest electric bass player in the world."
@@edgarcayce2.02 Just reading it makes me laugh beyond belief!
A Man is Never Dead until He Is Forgotten
What a wise and lovely thing to say!
You were so right Joe.
RIP Joe and Jaco. We cry anyway.
Thanks Joe and Jaco
Honestly, I all but gave up listening to music when Zawinul died. Jaco was a very bright flame, Zawinul was a slow steady bonfire..Both were genius in their own way,, both brought the best out of the other, rivalry or not. Each did their best work with, and likely because of, the other., starting with Black Market. (Cannonball).
Ah Black Market. My first WR album. Magical. I was in high school. I’ll never forget those feelings.
just a beautiful person -- both of them...
You are a wise man Mr. Zawinul
True words.
Would Weather Report have existed without Joe Zawinul? We can talk about personal relationships being difficult or going sour, or whatever, but the personalities and their chemistry makes the music. They might have had difficult relations, but they made great music. That's what I'll remember.
Your question truly should be, "Would Weather Report have existed without Joe Zawinul and Wayne Shorter?" Why do you people continue to minimize Wayne's roll in Weather Report? It was clearly Joe and Wayne's project when they started it in 1970. Joe played for Cannonbal Adderly, Wayne played with Art Blakey and Miles Davis. They were both highly recognized jazz musicians who played 3 of the most influential jazz musicians of the lat 1950s and 1960s. Have you actually even deeply listened to the things Wayne Shorter has played? C'mon, now.
WOW! What a great post! We will forever remain reduced by the loss of Joe & Jaco.
"Mercy, Mercy, Mercy" is one of the grooviest tunes of all time. Rest in Power.
what a great way to remember Jaco 💜 a true friend
Sound advice for those of us who have 'lost' someone.
Profound thought
Joe was kind of upset, not to say jealous, about Jaco's great, unique talent and notoriety... That is my own feeling... Jaco was indeed the world's best bass player, thank you Mr Pastorius for the music & joy you gave us, I'm so sad because you didn't deserve to end your life in such a tragic way ❣️ Jaco was too sensitive for this foolish world 🙏
Jaco was a young handsome, very talented and musically able young man when he joined Weather Report and Joe's true personality was that of a leader and Jaco's young rock star charisma and unstable personality threw a wrench in that during his time in WR, and Wayne Shorter just laid in the cut and stayed out of that b.s; Jaco was around the same age as people like Steve Howe, Chris Squire and Bill Bruford of Yes and other rock musicians of that era. I mean, it ain't rocket science. That's all it was, the young talented long haired kid and the older and equally if not overall more supremely talented older and balding genius and his project of which he co-founded with the overlooked extreme other genius of Wayne Shorter, whose personality was more laid back, but for some reason..., Jaco fans (who clearly still never listen to anyone else but "Jaco") seem to consistently reduce or view Shorter as the 3rd wheel of a group and concept of which he co-founded who also has played with some of the truest giants of jazz music history and has composed some of the most profound music in the history of music, let alone, jazz music. The dynamic between Joe and Jaco was as obvious as night and day: young talented long haired guy and the older balding talented older guy who co-founded the WR situation 5 to 6 years prior. Obviously, you've NEVER truly paid any attention to Joe Zawanul's compositions or live performances with Cannonball Adderley, other notable greats, and Weather Report before, during and after Jaco's time with WR.
@@skineyemin4276 Jaco was a great player, no doubt, but also a troubled soul. I"m sure he was a challenge for Joe and the whole Weather Report band at times. Some of it was age, as you suggest. Some was personality and his almost singular dedication to his art. It seemed to me that he got lost in his art, to the point of being self destructive. There's a fine line between genius and insanity. I don't think Jaco knew how to walk that line.
There together again in time
powerful.
Jaco :”) ❤️
Joe👍☮️
We all have a mission, a purpose, a plan. And that's when it becomes tricky: there are two kinds of people, the ones that are lucky enough to accomplish what they were meant to, and then there are the others. Trust me, it can kill you very slowly to be part of the second group (I'm talking from experience, sadly).
Jaco and Joe were masters, and they brought us so much. Gratitude forever.
i love joe Zawinul
Joe was brought up in the ruins of the Second World War . That gives him a slant on life that most people will never have
Saw him live in San Diego in 1983..with the love of my life behind me and jaco p on the bandstand 20 feet away. That when I knew it never get better that this...never sat down the entire evening because I knew I was bearing witness to history. How many people ever saw jaco play live.
I had the pleasure and dare I say-- the honor- of seeing Jaco play live with weather report-- 1981 at the Greek Theater-- Berkeley California -had pretty good seats down on the floor-- maybe a hundred feet away from the stage--myself as well as music lovers around me-- knew we were witnessing greatness--weather report was on that night-- powerful magical jazz rock Fusion at its best-- I'm old enough to have witnessed several Jazz Greats playing their hearts out-- but that night was special-- Pete on drums Wayne on sax-- Joe and Jaco--cant remember the percussion--not manolo--but that was one of those times musical virtuosos-- through the power of their talent really hit you upside the head--rest in power Joe and Jaco--
I saw them twice in Austin Texas in the 80s. Brought some of my buddies the second time. One really got into WR after that. Then I moved to LA after college and went to see Peter perform with his small ensemble at club Largo I think it was. Went back stage after and asked him if there was anything that could have been done about Jaco and Peter got kinda upset at me. I was young and star struck and just wanted to talk to Peter. That’s my WR story. One of my favorite bands and individual musicians of all time.
Same goes for Joe Z. We are all so happy that he was here! He left us so much.
Solid
I love "Elegant People" like this. Also we have countless of pictures and videos and interviews of Jaco, including many of his recordings. Therefore not only will his music never die, but his image and and mannerism on stage were captured so that the whole world can see it now on this website, in case you missed him in the "time" period in which he lived. Thanks to technology we have this, hopefully the industries will release more recordings and videos to illuminate his life even more.
Alphonso Johnson played bass on "Elegant People" and on more than half of Weather Report's "Black Market" album. I believe Jaco played on only 2 tracks of that album. Why don't you actually look up the info before posting clueless bullshit comments?
1. "Black Market" (J. Zawinul) - 6:28
2. "Cannon Ball" (J. Zawinul) - 4:36
3. "Gibraltar" (J. Zawinul) - 8:16
4. "Elegant People" (W. Shorter) - 5:03
5. "Three Clowns" (W. Shorter) - 3:31
6. "Barbary Coast" (J. Pastorius) - 3:19
7. "Herandnu" (A. Johnson) - 6:36
Joe Zawinul - Yamaha Grand Piano, Rhodes Electric Piano, 2 ARP 2600, Oberheim Polyphonic Synthesizer, Production, Orchestration
Wayne Shorter - Selmer soprano and tenor saxophones, Computone Lyricon, Co-Production
Alphonso Johnson - electric bass ⬅︎⬅︎ WHO IS PLAYING on "Elegant People".
Jaco Pastorius - electric fretless bass (tracks 2 & 6) ⬅︎⬅︎ WHO IS NOT playing on "Elegant People".
Narada Michael Walden - drums (1 & 2)
Chester Thompson - drums (1, 3-7)
Alex Acuña - congas, percussion (2-5, 7)
Don Alias - percussion (1, 6)
@@skineyemin4276 I know who played on what track and who composed as I have been a fan of WR for about 3 decades (I had all their albums when I was a teenager). I was referring to linear notes from a CD Live & Unreleased where Shorter said that he felt that the individuals were elegant people in general.
@@flame-sky7148 Ah.., noted.
It's just seems kind of funny to me that one of the coolest tracks ever composed by Wayne Shorter and recorded by Weather Report seems to still give Jaco credit for something he had absolutely nothing to do with while at the same time minimizing the role of Alphonso Johnson.
Yes, don't cry that it is over with, but be happy that it was"
Amen Joe
LOVE JZ
Hes right space and time are one thing.
Can't say it much better than that....
Amen!! Well said.
Joe was dropping pure science
Pastorious FOREVER!!!
...and ever...
Absolutely
Pure
nice words and all but idk man...he was very hard on him
Thinking the same thing..."Im the best Bass player in the world"... Joe: "GTFOH..." That's being kind to someone?....It isn't.
i think that was an apporiate response. joe was a seasoned veteran by the point of meeting jaco. so he probably looked a little crazy as an unknown kid saying 'i'm the greatest bassist who ever lived'
Joe really shit on Jaco, as documented in the movie "Jaco." Joe's opinion meant alot to Jaco so he played Joe his (upcoming) Word of Mouth on the plane and Joe completely shut it down as "bullshit." The movie sites this incident as a pivotal point in Jaco's descent, just before the Havana Jam festival.
Nah, Jaco was much young, better looking, had all of his hair..., on top of being a great bassist/musician. That was merely about some normal older cat, younger cat dynamic; happens all the time, especially, in music.
Right on, Joe...great opening statement about Jaco. "a person like that is never gone"
Beautifully said. It's sad that he was made out to be an ass in the Jaco movie and maybe he and Jaco were competitive but I'm sure he always cared about him even after he left Weather Report
WOW
Joe, huh? what Joe? 55 seconds of _________, rather than saying something from the heart he spoke in circles. Jaco was a big reason Weather Report rocketed to the next level of fame and popularity in the mid to late 70’s.
That was from the heart he's thinking about how Jaco is still alive in a certain sense when you consider people's impact and I think it's a profound thought
❤️🙏
Sadly, Jaco was found.
Wow!
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Zawinul was THE BEST!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏😎
Yup
See the documentary. Sad if true about Joe's treatment of J.
+Michael Howard Which documentary? Would you mind elaborating on this? I know they had a difficult relationship, with gamesmanship and father/son dynamics, and finally the introduction of alcohol and drugs into the situation.
+danjugle The New Jaco documentary. Was a single showing in NYC last night. My understanding soon to be on net flicks. By the Mettalica bass player. Was sad as I loved Joes work. Per the movie-Joe tried the "Miles" treatment on Jaco. Joe is not Miles-and Miles had a tender spot for those he cared for as well.
Thanks for the reply. I had no idea there was a showing, I'm right on LI and would've gone! By Miles treatment, you mean he was sort of cold and treated Jaco like nothing he did was good enough? Sorry to bother you, but you piqued my interest and I feel like I have to know, as the music of Joe, WR, and Jaco in particular is deep in my heart for more than half of my life now. Thanks again.
+Michael Howard
He was rough, and he is like this with most co-players, except he didn't do that treatment to Bona at all. Jaco's death did hurt Joe a lot however I can tell you that, but his opinions on Jaco's music was exaggerated out of spite when spoken, but in reality Jaco's composition skills weren't extraordinary as compared to his way of playing, and Joe actually knew this.
+danjugle In the movie, they show how much work Jaco put into the "Word of Mouth" album, and how proud he was of it. But then when he played it for Zawinul, JZ said something like it being "high school big band garbage." Jaco was really hurt by that and I think it even put him into a big state of depression.
Two giants gone
Why did JZ refuse to appear in the Jaco movie?
Probably because he's dead
Whatever happened to the guy that murdered him and didn’t get much time for it
Joe the master catcher of the rats in the block where he grew up - “I love this building”. Never one to complain.
what the deuce!?
ive heard all the famous jazz players they all sound boring to me dont understand peple treating them like gods
A musical genius albeit not a philosophical wonder.
Maybe you should have treated him better, Joe. He might still be with us today.
Yes, I thought about it always...
Why his friends did not help him?
@@hjhsyn Because his friends were musicians, not clinical psychiatrist or psychologist :-( Jaco's mental state degenerated to the point that he was literally less than 25% of himself. He could still "quote a lick" another musician just played...in realtime...on the bass, but bi-polarity had made him quite physically and verbally combative. This wasn't a mild case of being bi-polar...it was severe. The guy that killed him was obviously using his martial arts skills in an unethical manner (meaning that Jaco was not "an opponent" who knew martial arts), but again...he was not a clinical psychiatrist or psychologist :-(
Jaco was mentally ill...living on a bench, eating Mcdonald's to survive. The so-called friends were nowhere to be found that night when he jumped on stage at a Santana concert and got killed.
Eh...
Stupid reasoning. The guy is dead. We get sad at death cause we don't experience the physical person in our arms anymore, the person is gone. What's he on about. Sure his memory is still with us and his music, but it's the person we want back
Hipity flieger ein de screiger , dans di spiga eins de neiger , on the wall there is a fly , I hit the fly with my bell end
Joe's a jerk..he broke Jaco..!
"Joe Zawinul talking about the loss of Jaco Pastorius"
He was a good musician but here he's talking rubbish.
55 seconds of babbling.......