I always enjoy someone who dont know anything about the game complaining. Most of the issues comes from Servers. People who managed to get the game to run in Single player have reported that it runs perfect with close to no bugs. NPCs are also working fine. THe game jsut need the dynamic server meshing and it will cut away 90% of the bugs.
2026-2027 for release quality my friend, been saying this for over a decade now, like wise for 7+ years been saying 2025-2026 for sq42 release and after all these years if im 1-2 years i frankly wont care either, but i still think my predictions after all these years is still pretty close to nailing it and true my kids will have almost become adults by the time the game hits beta as well.
@@Healthy_Tokihate to break it to you, but this near $1 billion dollar game is simply just a tech demo. It'll never be a real game, because of how delusional Chris Roberts is
This is very true. Especially if you get into a new ship. I'd rather blow past my objective and be able to turn around then the point dead at it and die.
@@I_am_a_human_not_a_commodity Funny thing I don't. Times I died from invisible asteroids are long gone. So I assume you just don't watch your course carefully
@@malkowitchUnless I intend to land, I never fly toward anything I can crash into, even planets. It's a known issue and still happens all the time. Just because you don't encounter the issue doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
the funding model post beta development is cosmetics, its already been starting to switch to cosmetics progressively over recent years, the ships take a long time to make, use DCS jet fighter dev cycle for reference or any game that uses high fidelity, functional models within a non-simplified game engine = lots of time, lots of dev costs, they are infact very expensive to make due to how many man hours and different skill sets are involved, dont believe me? ask a professional dev team for a quote to make a new DCS jet or a new SC multi crew ship to the SAME functionality and spec as the existing completed assets, you will cry, including when they tell you how LONG you will have to wait and they cry when you realize you need to sell your assets to pay for it, especially so if you asked a dev team to make something on the larger side like the javelin, complex engine mechanics, high fidelity assets = costs and time skyrocket with scale. meanwhile games like warthunder with a simplified engine, simplified assets = just takes a few months to drop in a new jet or tank and conversely if you wanted to pay a pro to do it, the price would be pretty cheap, This is why CIG has never wanted ship sales to be the end goal of funding and sustained development post beta as its to much work and infact CIG has never actually had the manpower or budget to do all the work efficiently, so high quality yes, but slow due to lack of manpower, like i said 10+ years ago they needed 1000+ people, 10+ years and 1 billions usd to cover dev costs, this is a MMO which by default increases dev time and costs, but its also a high fidelity MMO, with complex engine simulation and assets and based of the CIG head count, budget and other projections i calaculated 2026-2027 to release quality based on basic industry dev standards and logic compared to what other AAA could do at the time, rockstar actually being my main basis for calculation. eitherway your viewpoint is basically of the mark.
Sorry but this is BS. With a released game incl. SQ42 they will make much more money. Also the costs for developement will go down. Also server meshing will safe them a lot of money. So yeah, your comment is BS.
I agree. There is no incentive to release the game, none at all.if they release the game they will lose money. Unless they go to a subscription model. If they don't lose their player base first.
Who? Way things are going he'll be exposed as pedophile like most of woke hollyweird. My take is that the US will have a civil war before this game goes Beta.
Man i got super burnerd from SC... playing a game where you see an item press F and you pick the item instead of having a seizure feels so good after you play SC, putting something in your inventory and the item being there and not dissapearing, reappearing, moving to your hand, going to the floor... it just feels refreshing Peoplw just get so use to SC, that they no longer realize that nothing really work, and you do the same mission thousands of times for years with no end goal at all but to do the same mission again
Honestly no matter how much I look at "gameplay" I can never tell what the fuck is going on, or what is happening. It all just looks like some dude walking around, pressing endless menus/buttons, flying his ship for no fucking reason and then ending it all.
main issue is its been over 10 years and there isnt a single gameplay loop yet which is not critically bugged, they can't even get delivering singular boxes from one place to another to work, your quests disappear, your boxes disappear, your ships disappear, the turnins disappear, there isn't a single thing that works currently
The irony of him walking past the FOUR remote turret control stations which are directly located in the room next to the cockpit and would have been up and running within seconds is delicious. :D
There is not a single Game engine that would work for Star Citizen, because ALL game engine have a 32bit coordinate system. Unreal Engine 5 max map size is 20.9707km². How would you go about making a seamless space game if you can't even render a full size city without the Engine crashing ? They HAD to pick CryEngine2 because it was the best at rendering big maps, but even it doesn't have capability to render maps as big as StarCitizen would need, so they rebuilt most the engine code and created brand new techniques to render much larger game spaces which is where most of the money went to. this is what most people don't understand, these devs didn't spend 600+ million dollar on an MMO game, they spent 600+ million dollar on a GAME ENGINE. for perspective EPIC games spent 3+ BILLION dollar on the Unreal Engine.
@@Cooltrain only CIG knows for sure but, since they gave it it's own name and showcased it's own Demo last year with some of the features that are unique to it, i think safe to say it's a completely different engine by now (and opening the possibility to commercialize it. *maybe*). i actually think Lumberyard has more to do with Cryengine that StarEngine has with Lumberyard since they also took some code from Lumberyard too and reworked it.
factually engines like that already exist for years, with server meshing for space games with thousands of players in the same universe, walking inside spaceships, full planets, trade, fight etc.
@@jh5kl the reason its normal for things to start complex at SP and get less complex at MP and even less at MMO is pretty basic dev logic, especially if you want to do server meshing as the more complicated the engine, the more complicated the server meshing becomes and also more servers need to be spooled up, spooled down and managed if you want a good player count interacting with each other in the same space = not even blizzard was interested with its prehistoric arcade game engine using 20 year old graphics and its multi billion dollar budget and fully staffed office full of back end engineers, they just NOPE. so im not sure which games your talking about?, EVE doesnt do it, NMS doesnt, all the AAA MMO's dont do it, they may do PRTAS to it, but they dont do it ALL seamless or the same complexity as SC, which will get several times more complex post server meshing... hence why the server jank increases with each update. other games = you still have load screens, player sharding that prevents players in the same zone or server interacting with each other in the same zone so the player interactive count is pretty small unless you cap it and simplify it like COD or BF games for example eg no longer a MMO anymore you reverted back to a basic MP game again to dodge the problems of MMO development, which is what basically most MMO's do these days anyways, they say MMO, but they are closer to a MP game then a MMO. even when the players in a MMO are supposed to be on the same server, if they arent in the same party or group and the shard is full = another sever spools up and they go into that server shard and well the game engine complexity is always minimal, so even EVE just becomes a -1 frame per second map screen despite its lack of complexity.. SC is basically trying to be DCS in space, but with its fidelity spread out over a larger area, so not focused around the cockpit and the jets exterior surface elements, so the cockpits in SC are less functional, but everything around it is several times more functional then DCS, yet if anyone suggested turning DCS into a MMO they would think your f'ing lost your mind, yet CIG is essentially doing way beyond that. again thats why you dont have any comparable examples that make any sense, anything that attempts to compare just makes what CIG is doing look even better, but again its why CIG has taken so long and why others dont try it, gamers already settle for less, they have no reason to make their games that good or good of experience as SC is aiming for. though saying that in around 5 years, doing what took CIG 10 years will be done by Ai in 2-3 years, but this also benefits CIG as well, not just their future competition, so its kind of who makes it first and gains the market share of gamers interesting in that kind of experience before the rest jump all in.
The main problem of SC currently isn't the engine, but rather the Amazon servers. Loading into a fresh server with barely any people on it everything runs so smooth and NPCs actually do their NPC things like not standing on chairs and combat NPCs are extremely lethal. Majority of the jank SC has can be attributed to poor server performance.
The issues would get better if they spent more on servers. However the collision issues are baked into the engine. No game using cry engine has great physics...it's claim to fame was being pretty
Is not their servers, is their current systems, thats why Mesh is vital for SC success so PES can work, if Mesh fails, no server will hamdle SC and the project will burn
@@frogger2011ifyThey're already paying top dollar for servers -- Amazon is just crap. They recently talked about it on SCL, how the data they were generating during the 3.18 launch was unprecedented for Amazon and their data centers literally could not handle the data due to PES plus all of the concurrency (it was several magnitudes more than whatever is above petabytes). It literally brought down Amazon's databases, and so they had to bring in specialist engineers to try to restore everything.
@@Billy-bc8pk which is why they have the lowest their of server agreement with AWS. AWS runs near everything at the moment to call it crap is foolish on its face. They had the opportunity to get the top tier of servers and back end server meshing but they would have had to profit share with amazon. In doing this though you get as many servers as you need no questions. Don't believe what they tell you look for the documents. They played dirty with Crytek and amazon
The biggest issue IMO is that feature creep has run absolutely rampant, there is nobody keeping the "Good idea fairy" in check. If they actually stuck to the original vision of the game they could have released all of the core features they promised within the timeframe they originally advertised, but when they start going "Wouldn't it be great if..." and add random things like eating food, hospital respawns, depressing 1-person raves, etc, it bloats the development to the point where the core features of the game are neglected, and their ~200 employees are working on like 500 disjointed things with no clear vision for how to turn it into a finished, polished product. A comparison to Elite: Dangerous really highlights the flaws with SC's development. They both started at about the same time, but Elite was released core-feature complete 10 years ago, within like 3 years of getting funded, and then new content, like ground combat, has been added on over time as improvements with a very clear sense of direction and timing, which is why it still has a large player-base. Those new features keep the game fun and keep old players interested because there is pretty consistently something new to do. Critically: ever since launch the game has been running bug-free at buttery smooth 60+ FPS on typical hardware, and they were even able to seamlessly completely replace the graphics engine in 2022 because they spent years planning out the shift, with the game only being down player-side for like a couple hours at 1AM to make the change. ED has been able to do the same thing SC is trying to do, adding features beyond it's original vision like ground exploration, fleet carriers, infantry combat, and building/settlement/station interiors over the years, without compromising it's original vision to do it, and because of that, for every second of the last 10 years Elite has been a more stable, fun, playable, complete experience than SC, which in the finite scale of a human lifespan is a very long time. SC is selling a dream, whereas for the last 10 years Elite has been the game you can play today.
@@PapaFenn I definitely agree that the ground combat in ED is not great, but you also can completely ignore it if you don't like it because ground combat is sectioned off as it's own thing, and it didn't delay the development of the core game experience at all. I wasn't bothered at all by it being somewhat mid because it was a 100% optional additonal feature that just didn't appeal to me, but didn't affect the core experience in any way.
It's not scope creep anymore. They just realized that they can make A LOT more money by overpromising and underdelivering. Why finish anything in this game when it's way more profitable to keep it in a shitty alpha state and have people pay 2-10x of what they pay for other games that actually work.
I agree with you there. As far as multi-player games go, it's hooked me the most. It's not perfect, but it's been my go to time since I started playing it after putting down Starfield in late September of last year. I just hit concierge yesterday and I'm excited for the next patch.
If the servers were stable with good NPC AI it would be an amazing game. Even with only the current content. Looking forward to improvements in this regard
I find myself annoyed by any loading screens in other games, even very second short ones. On top of that SC have so many different things to do so its like multiple games in one.
At some point, you need to bring up the sunk cost fallacy when talking to people about this game. I know people who have spent hundreds of dollars over 5+ years who constantly tell me "its almost there, just a little longer and it will be great!" Personally, I think it will be 2 or 3 more generations till they can do everything they want to do, the way they want to do it... if they ever want to release a finished game rather than just spend their time making new ships to sell instead.
For a game thats been in development for 14 years i expect it to be perfect... When i did a free flight there was bugs up the ass and there was ZERO information how to actually play the game or leave the spaceport 99% of this game needs to be youtubed to learn how to play since the game lacks on giving information on how to properly play it just tells you how to drink water and leave your room the rest just leads to your spaceship. Things only get worse when you die in space by another player and lose everything having to go back to collect your stuff when it should just give you your gear on spawn.
@@coth5250 NPCs T-posing, ship doors killing you or not opening or closing, trains passing through stations, losing HP when you shouldn't, game crashing every hour or so, do I need to go on? last time I've played is a year ago and in 3 hours (before I rage quit) I've experienced all of this...
@@coth5250 There was nothing to really do. I tried during 0.3.1 update. The game crashed constantly. I had a pretty strong PC, and it ran very poorly. Some of the controls just didn't work. I think desync was pretty bad. The servers disconnected a few times, and I had to restart multiple times. Just really bad stuff.
Thats because at 5 server fps at moment the physics are not fully working under havy load. Just try it again after .23 maybe wait a for .23.1 for some more fixes and you should be good to go with the the next improvements
The biggest reason not to play this game is so that we don't encourage other companies to do this. The people that invested in this game early on expected a finished product by now. With the money they have, the game should be complete and good. As it stands, this is just a fancy tech demo with some things to do.
Some things to do? It has more gameplay loops than starfield and so many locations and sites to visit. Yeah some stuff is not finished but you have tons of missions from the get go, and even mission givers. Space, ground, atmo, all types of combat, from fps to ships to ground-air combat. Cargo runs, mining, salvage, racing, bounty hunting, illegal missions, etc
Didn’t Starfield take like 10 years to make? People are mad it’s taking so long because the devs are open during the whole development cycle and not just the year before launch
Relative to dev time or what? They have already surpassed anything "traditonally" expensive, bar a few Big time(money will) bring quality) duds, that have managed to spend loads of comparable money, in less time, when Publishers wanted to take down the MMO world, or Overwatch And the like. There Is nothing remotely as expensive And in "uncertain" Waters alike SC, not overall, And as far as other similiarities, not even Anthem fits the bill. And(!), this on a "better vision by gamers", a NEW TYPE of a world/game type, brought by Lots of running away with deadlines And goalposts. Nothing from Rockstar has ever Ate the money this has. As far as dev money, GTA6 probably won't match what they have managed. They Are still(And still Will be) HOT in development for atleast a year-ish time, if all falls into place. But it seems like a 3+yr endeavour still. Like with previous GTAs, or Read dead R, Making a game for 180 million And marketing with 250 more, Is different, than burning it all on dev And being 30-70% Done, depending on how they manage to get to "a game", And what gets toned Down, or cut. As far as history of development, the Books say they might need 1.2 bil, And still Crash with the game And it's delivered scope, when they tie the loose ends And cripple the ambition to match what they Are able to release. The game was supposed to be Done, then expanded upon, years ago, there Is no Reason pre-emptive study would not, could not, say, what Is And isn't possible, yet the game still has "better do it like that And see what happens" kind of "unprepared" all over it. If SC releases in Q3 2025 I do not expect anything Awe inspiring, that gets expanded upon, while not running other aspects of the game into the ground. I mean, they did do some novel work, but with different people, loads of backtracking And rediscoveries fall on CR's shoulders. The mainstay Is being Held back by iffy at best judgement from CR And Co., while He Sells Dreams. CR's most present "attribute" Is Always knowing what to do next, And BEST aswell. In the end, they Are gonna use AI And other, many other things they have Worked hands on, partials of greater whole, that Is a part of developing systems And AI, developed elsewhere. years And 100s of million PooOfeD Away. All of that Will ve void, uf the game makes a billion the first year And some, And 3 in 4 yrs. But for that you need not a Closeted self doubter/vice man like Roberts. This seems nigh every bit a Freelancer 2.0 posing as the 8th iteration.@@paulmorley9894
This game would be right up my alley if it wasn't bloated, buggy, and stuck in forever development. Early Access games like this are "play now while imagining what it could be." If I want to imagine something I'll read a book. Great video liked and subscribed. =P
Have you actually tried it though? It is buggy sometimes for sure but a great many of us sink huuuundreds of hours in it. Even if it never comes out I have more than gotten my money's worth. You should consider trying it out during a free fly week. Just make sure you either watch an up to date 'getting started' video or try out the guide system to have some one walk you through the first 30-45mins...it will really help you to get into the meat of it and to see if you like it. It takes a little effort for sure but the juice is worth the squeeze if you've always wanted to walk around inside your own ship and to fly it from space all the way down to anywhere you feel like on a planet in one smooth, seamless transition.
@@eli34536This is such an excellent point that people like justarams ignore: what good are finished games if they are worse than the games we played 20 years ago? There is literally nothig new, innovative or even remotely engaging about Starfield, yet I see so many people say, "at least it's released!" and it's like... "If it's not fun, what's the point?"
Star citizen is not really stuck in development. It's actually just the second project, the main being SQ42. SQ42 is now features complete and in polish state. So rn update and developement for star citizen will be way quicker since they moved staff from SQ42 to work on PU star citizen, they will implement feature from SQ42 to star citizen and the main thing is that the server meshing will be kind of ready for release "soon". The reason is simple why it's been in developement for so long and will still be, it's useless trying to develop star citizen if the server meshing (surely the most difficult thing to develop, that's why no other studio or even compagnies outside game industry even tries to develop one, most server engineers would and was even saying 10 years ago it's impossible to achieve what they wanted to do) is not ready. So if you know it will take a decade to maybe succeed in making server meshing, it would be absolutly pointless to develop all the feature of star citizen since it could not be implemented in the game since one server only cannot handle the whole thing. Doesn't matter if Pyro is ready or other feature are ready, their goal is to have a huge seamless game, and it's not happening without server meshing.
So every once in a while I’m thinking about star citizen and then watch a video about the current state of the game. Just to find out not much have changed.
It should be something you should already know. All their going to do is just sell ships, that's all their concerned about. We will still have next to zero content, planets remain barren aside from a few outposts for missions, that's it. This year and the next will bring nothing new other than ships, that's is it.
like always, get promises by your overlord Chris Robert this and that will come soon, it gets delayed, it gets delayed again, then after 1 year or delays half of the promises removed then it gets released in a broken halfa**es state and that breaks the game even more and you sheep still keep on playing your failed tech demo of a game while Crish Roberts will probably buy his 3rd SuperYacht in real life XD
This tech demo is like Escape From Tarkov. Development will only get serious when the competition gets serious, or they mess up something so badly that funding could be at risk. They do not give a shit about what the players think, it's all money for them now, and keeping it flowing.
Yes. you get a palpable feeling in these two games that the developers DO NOT WANT YOU TO PLAY THEIR GAME. Even the way it keeps asking you your password like Tarkov sometimes I would be like Wahts my dumb password again that requries like 3 different symbols? and then after 3 attempts u get banned for 20 minutes from logging in or whatever... oh servers are down today? oopsy we just saved some money OOPSY!!!!
As a crowd funder, I left the game in late 2020, after 3.9 drop, they nerfed hauling and implemented the prison system. Cutting my losses and never returning.
Your audio levels are jacked my guy. Maybe some eq and compression would help, you're also clipping hard when throwing in those little samples at times.
@@BeigeAlertHamburg but you are nitpicking. Unless you’re sitting there with your volume on 100 on every setting i dont see how you can be bothered by this video. Its really not that bad
I tried it when there was a free weekend offer. Looked fantastic but controls where too much. Practice would fix that but I just don't have the patience.
most every involved game takes time to learn. Look at the vast amount of things you can do? Ever see the cockpit of a jet? now add mining, salvage, ground vehicles, FPS, buying, selling, modifying, etc. After a few weeks it gets much easier. Ever go Snow skiing? Most quit on first day or weekend...and never get to know how fun it is.
What's really funny is that CIG advertises that they have millions of players and thousands of players online, but I never see any news or anything that confirms this claim, other than shady websites that publish huge amounts of false information such as inflated player counts. It's strange that such a “big” and “great” game has such a small community of streamers and so on.
Great games are based in great gameplay. Why was Tetris and the Sims some of the best selling games of all time? Because its the gameplay, its not the graphics or immersion, its the gameplay and innovation and creativity that makes for a great game. And that is what Star Citizen's devs and Chris Roberts seem to have completely forgotten, instead smothering "great graphics" and useless features that do nothing to improve the gameplay. We've seen this for decades, developers bragging about graphics, are doing it because there is so little else to brag about. And of course, Star Citizen will NEVER allow for player customization of their ships to the extent to being able to design your ship from the ground up to look and feel exactly like what you want, because they want to charge you cash for that.
It's not actually playable to anyone looking to buy it. It's non optimized so alot of FPS drops very inconsistent game play and lots of bugs and crashing. It's in "beta" so it's "ok". But don't run out and buy it expecting a playable experience. It's more like hanging in there because you love the concept. I have a 4070ti and a i9 with 32gbs of ram. I've asked to community, about performance issues and they say it's everyone not just me.
Among the MMO's i've seen, i've never actually met or talked to a person who openly admits they play star citizen. Very surprising they have an estimated player count that large yet its extremely rare to ever hear about it besides the occasional YT vid discussing it as an outsider
I keep seeing the argument that this game develops it's own software and it's a constant fight for RnD, since it's so revolutionary. But the engine it uses is a modified version of CryEngine from early 2000's, (2002 if I'm not mistaken based on very quick google) and the game itself was released in 2012, so it was using a 10 year old outdated engine by the time it was barely playable. Mechanically the game is nothing new, aesthetically I can imagine the art and models took a while but 15 years seems excessive, and as for completed content there seems to be very very little which is actually finished / ready to go. So... I think it was a red flag right from the get go, if you lost money on this, it's your own fault you looked at a game that was titled as "Old, outdated and prebuilt" and expected new, special and amazing.
Played the other day. After spending a while salvaging i went to sell my goods. I went to area 18 and it was dark. I had to be careful because the last time i flew in during the hours of darkness my ship was immediately impounded for going out of bounds in the city. This time i chose to hover above the city and wait for daylight so i could see the landing zone easier. I figured this would give me a chance to sort my cargo. As i climbed down the ladder in my Drake Vulture i clipped through the floor and was standing on the landing gear hanging for dear life. Then i fell and logged out.
Bro that's so tragic :D apparently update 4.0 will fix a lot of bugs, but only time will tell! I think thats when ill jump back in again anyway, so i'll chuck you an invite when i do!
They were going to give us the ability to paint ships using hexcode. That was back in 2016 when they announced that I think. Now they charge for paint and offer zero individual customization. That is one of the most Odd things I have ever heard of in a RPG. That is probably the most predatory monetization of the game.
Hex codes are still coming, but they had to completely overhaul the asset library for Maelstrom. If they implemented the hex codes now they would have to redo the whole paint system with the new visual asset library. They mentioned repeatedly that they will still bring back the cusotm paint system but they have to finish Maelstrom and armour first, since the colours are attached to the new physicalised material system (some of the new ships are already using this new system, like the san tak yai and the Syulen).
The core issues with the management and game direction of Star Citizen are the same as Freelancer. Difference now is that the people who are giving him to money aren't powerful enough to tell him to stop Fing around.
immersion? What a joke!. The immersion is killed the moment you leave the room you spawn in with NPC's frozen in place, standing on tables and chairs. They do nothing, say nothing, don't move, just stand there. immersion killed. ALT F4. Uninstall. $600M and they cant fix that one simple thing. I want my money back!
Really enjoyed this video but dude the audio was pretty bad. Idk if its the mixing or your mic but just inconsistent and i couldn't hear you over the audio of the game at times and your voice sounds muffled and echoing like it's been raised using software
14 years is a looooooong time to wait. But let's be honest , CR made a mistake of thinking they could modify the CryEngine for the original scope of SC , which put it back 2-4 years at least. Then add the CryTek lawsuit that not only drained funds but morale from CIG , that most likely added 2-3 years to the project as well. I think OCS & SSOCS opened CIG's eyes & they knew they had to create the Star Engine or this was going to be one big pile of Tech debt that would never get completed. Now that the tech is here , it needs a few things to be ready & most of have figured , we've waited this long , might as well wait a lil longer. o7
At this point you have to realise it is a scam. As long as the money keeps coming, the scam will keep rolling. Once the money dries up, something 'unusual' will happen and the project will collapse.
just a small correction about star citizen's engine, the devs are calling it star engine and it's an upgrade of amazon's lumberyard engine which itself is an upgrade of cryengine for reference lumberyard is the engine that the mmo new world runs on so it's got potential to work at scale - the main reason for the bugs is the netcode and the absense of server meshing
Lumberyard was the base - but now its its own beast. The engine they started with was capable of 16km maps before needing a loading screen - StarEngine set a world record with 6 billion km captured in engine. I think 16 player was their max when the PU first started ..now the game can handle 100+ players and Server Meshing is being developed which will allow hundreds and hundreds. The latest Cry Engine is capable of 32km maps and None of the additional features and tools that were built into Star Engine.. so that engine is trademarked and proprietary and is 100x more advanced than the Cry/Lumberyard engine it started from
@@JG-nx3jgThey actually did, last year, but they haven't deployed it yet because they didn't want to repeat the 3.18 rollout. So they are doing a staggered tech release for the final foundational pieces of network middleware. I don't agree with that method at all, and I believe they should have just ripped the band aid off back in June of 2023 and brought the replication layer and server meshing online back then, warts and all.
When the game runs properly it’s a lot of fun again when it runs properly this game is comparable to an expensive car like a Ferrari or a nice bike like DUCATI . It has a lot of issues but when it works it’s amazing
Almost all the problems you mentioned are to be fixed with server meshing, which is a bit of the holy grail for SC. Basicly it splits the universe into numerous servers that handle their small zone independantly from one another while allowing seamless transitions from one server/zone to another. They've showed a tech demo during the last Citizen Con and some iterations of the precursor tech necessary for it to works have already been tested by players (replication layer). Now this is a very complex tech and I hope they can pull it off in a not too distant future, but I can't get my hopes too high. For reference, I happened to land on a server that authentication server decided to ignore after letting 3 players in a few months back. The server was running at 30fps, which is the current maximum while they usually run between 2 and 10 fps when loaded with players. AI was incredibly responsive and actually intelligent, physic worked without issue and everything was smooth af. No NPC standing weirdly on benches, no secret protest, bunker missions were really hard to solo and the AI ships reacted in a very smart way to my actions. For exemple the Hurricane I was fighting, which is a 2 seater heavy fighter with a turret on top was trying to outmaneuver me while keeping its turret pointed at me (the one you show at the end of your video). The game works, most of what they've already implemented works, but the servers are the biggest issue for now. Having one server handle an entire solar system with persistent entity streaming, physics, collisions and hundreds if not thousands of AI is just too much. Fingers crossed that they can nail server meshing soon ! Good video, always nice to hear a newbro's opinion on the game after playing it for so long. Hopefully you come back to check on the game from time to time !
Played in 2022 (2 years ago next month), some bugs like the inventory bug or elevator bug just made the game nigh impossible to play but it was good though, just those damn bugs made me refund.
@7:00 the top speed on the ship is like 3,600 kph, you chose to go full speed at a station and only brake in the last second. Also there's no air up there, so you can't just turn your nose and expect to change direction. Best thing would be to turn and boost forwards to change your vector, the biggest thrusters on any ship is on the back so don't brake in an emergency.
The tip I give new players that I encounter is don't travel directly pointed at the station in case you can't stop in time. That way you will pass the station by if you miscalculate your speed. This also tends to happen when players start piloting larger ships for the first time. They are used to flying smaller ships and don't realize that larger ships don't stop on a dime.
@@sawmanUK The rule is to never fly directly at your intended POI until you know for a fact that you have control of your ship. Really sucks when you slam into your friends. Speed control is everything.
@@underleft If you come from modern flight sims, than you understand that air is crucial in how current aircraft turn and change direction. If one isn't used to no atmosphere, it helps to be reminded of that. Also using the broader sides for drag and assist in slowing. But not in zero atmo.
@@underleft Air lets you control your craft with rudders, like you see on planes! You wont need an extra thrust to change directions, thats the benefit of atmospheric flight!
They seem '' stuck '' in a business model that is not aimed at releasing a game. Where's the incentive when you've built a proper business : selling gorgeous ships in a stunning environment. Releasing the game is the side project. It's a bit like Tinder, it is designed for matches, potentially dates, not to create a stable relationship. That's a promise some users made to themselves. Of course I understand that the massive work on the engine and the servers got in the way of it. Yet surely the option of releasing a solo experience within a reasonnable amount of time ( for a project that size ), while working on the sandbox as a test server with all the shenanigans and even the ships business, was a possibility at some point. It is a production aspect. I'm glad it's out there because at least people edit out some great videos out of it and it feeds my imagination. Ps : you might want to work on the EQ to improve your sound :) it is even more important than the video.
Other way around; the single-player was the test environment because it's far easier t odevelop. But they still needed to design a ton of bespoke systems and middleware to accomplish what Chris Roberts wanted. Things that work seemingly well in Squadron 42 are then ported over to Star Citizen.
They're not fixing NPCs and AI as well as many other bugs, just because they have to change the backend system, and there's no point in fixing unimportant things during development because it'll eventually get broken again. That's what a polishing phase is for, fixing unimportant stuff like NPCs.
I still can't walk onto an elevator without falling through the map. After death, I get that medical beep until I kill myself again and sometimes I lose the ability to interact with objects and have to go to main screen to load back in. Forget the visual glitches. After about 20 mins of game time, the station I am on tends to have walls disappear and reappear at random... I love the game but these glitches are insane.
They've claimed that a big reason for the slow development was a focus on the single player game, and that now that's in the final polishing stage development should be ramping up. They also showed offan early working version of server meshing which has been one of the biggest hurdles. So fingers crossed we see some real progress this year.
@@Kleavers Exactly, so now it's time to see if that was accurate. The two biggest hurdles they've used as an excuse for slow progress have supposedly been passed, so time for them to put their money where their mouth is and show some real progress.
@@Kleavers "I know that they have said it all the times before. That in the -50- 15 years of -Peanuts comic strips- Star Citizen development, -Charlie Brown- Star Citizen never manages to -kick the football while Lucy is holding it- advance, but I believe that this time will be the time when -we go kick the ball and they don't remove it- they will do it."
Instead of saying 14 years in production id rather say 11.5 years since the kickstarter so no one can complain about when did production start. At least we all agree on when the kickstarter happened
Interestingly they just did an SCL with one of the guys who worked on the pitch video for the Kickstarter, and he noted there was no development -- just a vertical slice pitch video. They didn't actually start working on the project until they had proper funding in 2013.
Most of the scope creep is shit we wanted. Id rather the game never fully release but strive towards its current goal than for them to polish what would be a turd of a full game, most of the longevity is, in my opinion, going to come from the base building and resource extraction aspects, as powerful orgs fight for control of the resource deposits of the inner systems, building mining camps and military outposts and fighting over them. But I'm just jazzed that there is a high budget game with some actual ambition and courage. Also, watching Chris Roberts get giddy like a child watching his dreams come true inspires a great deal of confidence in me personally.
Why does a massive Space Ship that has the technology to bend space time need someone to physically sit in a gun turret instead of operated remotely which have been around since the B-29 - SC was always at risk of becoming obsolete before it's ever released.
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The biggest problem for me when it comes to SC is the requirements. They are steep. My rig is i5 - 13gen. 64 ram and 4070. I asked some SC players and they said that my i5 would be a bottleneck and i should upgrade my processor if i really wanted to enjoy the game.
Great video. One small correction though, most of the issues you talk about having to do with the engine, like the bad AI and npcs being weird, isn't a problem with the engine, its a problem with the servers being overwhelmed. Enemy AI and NPCs are actually pretty good, when the servers are running properly. Hopefully some of the tech they're implementing in the next year or so will improve server performance quite a bit. the public version of the engine is also quite a bit behind what they have internally. It's going to be updated to match the internal version over the next year or so. A lot of people think 2024 is going to be the make or break year for the game.
@@vtubersubs3803 previous years didn't have a huge shift in CiG's internal structure. With SQ42 being feature complete, most of the devs working on that have been moved over to the live version, providing a much larger dev force than we've ever had on the live build. Whether the end result is good or not, this year is fundamentally very different.
@@sawmanUKUnfortunately, that's just the Unreal Engine 5, it's just overall poorly optimised for large-scale games due to CPU threading issues -- something they haven't refactored since the early days of the UE3 changeover, which is why there isn't one large scale open world game built in the UE4/UE5 that runs well.
I think most can agree that we appreciate their ambition but instead of working on 10 different things at once, focus on each part of the game, then move on to the next. I love the fact there is an fps mode in it...but don't delay the game to work on it. Same with so many other aspects.
The only reason I'm caring about Star Citizen right now is because so many of the single-player dev teams moved over to star citizen. They've more or less admitted the game has been on life support, and that this year they're finally doing some real work on it. I really think this is the make or break year though, if they don't show massive improvements with the full team on board then I'll probably fall off the bandwagon completely, and I'd bet many others will too. In the meantime though, I do enjoy just living in my spaceship and flying around, that part feels pretty good!
The time it's taken/taking hasn't worried me. I play a bit each year and have enjoyed it and I love the vision. Even if it never actually releases I think I've got my money worth and am happy to have been apart of it.
@@festersmith8352 no. I just average how much I play each week after a new patch. It's easy to wrack up 2000 hrs in 10 years. I put 500 hours into New World in 3 months.
Used to being flush with cash + feature creep = alpha forever. This reminds me of Copland OS from Apple back in the 90s; Apple was spoiled with success and took 4 years to develop an OS that promised and promised and promised and then never realized anything after wasting all their money on it.
Ye, I've tried it a couple of time, I think I bought the first pack with sq42 in 2018, but my pc wasn't enough and in 2022 I've got a new pc that was able to play it, but I left the game because after a while it gets boring if you're alone.
I used to mock how long it would take for this game to be in a playable state, but I see that's no longer necessary. Now that I can see actual gameplay, I can mock that instead. You couldn't pay me to play this "game."
The people that play this game are part of a cult. They're too invested to admit the game isn't ever going to release in something that resembles a final product. They just keep throwing money at it, lying to themselves.
TL:DR The engine is definitely not the problem. They hired plenty of the Crytek engineers in the past and they know what they are doing. Apart from the 64-bit coordinate, the engine can stream and render on demand. The way they set the objects to render, the physicalization, ingame UI, the huge explorable gas clouds, the way rivers flow physics-based, the way they scatter the different flora, depending on the biomes, caves, clouds, asteroid fields, nebulas, planet rotation for day and night cycles. UE5 would have problems rendering UI in-game. SC does not have modality in menus, no loading screens, and Loading is asynchronous. Also understand that the networking and database side of things that work with the engine to provide persistence and the possibility to use multiple servers to have the server compute power to process the information for the engine to receive the data and provide a frame is impressive to Google level devs. It is not an easy problem to resolve. In the short term, we are getting DLSS, FSR, and a proprietary upscaling feature. We are getting Global illumination. We are getting FOG on a planetary scale. We are also getting Vulkan and Ray Tracing integration. With the Vulkan API, they will improve the distribution of rendering between the GPU and CPU. Right now it is CPU-heavy. These are features that were presented already working in the engine. We are also getting the networking side. Testing is ongoing with 800 players in a shared universe space. The test worked better than intended. There are a couple of things they need to polish. But FPS, NPC response, and server fps (This is data in a frame in one second for the client to render) increase to almost the desired 30 fps. You are coming into a patch that is not horrible, but right before a load of foundational tech comes in. The game you played in this video will be completely different than the game we play by the end of the year. The engine is not the problem, it is the networking side that is the bottleneck and that is going to get resolved. Plus we will have an additional solar system by the end of the year, bigger and lawless compared with Stanton. Nyx will be next and being worked on, plus Odin is already developed asset and POI wise. 4 systems, and a solid foundational tech (Engine + networking) open the door to faster gameplay integration and the dynamic economy... already been worked on for years. They just need the networking side of things to make it work. This said. If you have fun, good. But come back to the game at the tail end of 2024 or the beginning of 2025. You will notice a sizeable change.
@@UnKnown43783 After almost 12 years of following the game, you find all kids of people with different levels of knowledge. I always preach to know about a subject before speaking, but he is just trying to make sense of it as a noob. The countless info is out there. It would have been smart to watch Citcon and the ISCs after that. He needs a a drink at any of SC bar and relax lol
@@calder2293 yeah but in 2013 you did not have a Solar system with 4 planets, a ton of moons, 200 ships, a ton of space stations, a ton of missions, all kinds of POIs on the ground, cargo, mining, salvage, bounty hunting, ship personalisation, a ton of clothes and armours, forests, seas, rivers, lakes, fauna, etc etc. bro thinks we are in 2013
"if u go away from Hello Game Studios, it actually looks nice" It looks exactly the same! That's what UK looks like everywhere. Fine to me. And i dont live in UK nor am British.
Star Citizen isn't filled with bugs because of the game engine. It's filled with bugs because of CIG's policy of using shitty placeholder code for several important features until Squadron 42 is feature complete (which it apparently is now) and they can transfer over the _"refined"_ versions of said features. This is an annoying a questionable practice, but now that SQ42 is feature complete there's no reason to think they won't follow through, even if this follow-through is hindered by inevitable delays.
There have been many developers in the last few decades who have revolutionized the gaming industry. And when I look at the last few years, no studio has tried to develop something revolutionary besides better graphics.... Bethseda uses assets and the same game engine that was released over 14 years ago. Activision, which feels like it releases the same thing every year, just adapts to the current gaming trends with Call of Duty etc. Ubisoft and Microsoft who are taking over more and more of the gaming market and putting pressure on developers to release something. And Star Citizen's approach tech no one has tried before like server mashing and entity streaming and many more to name a few. This game will revolutionize the gaming market by setting new standards, it will only be a matter of time. I wish Star Citizen had the budget of Gta 6 (2 billion) star citizen budget of 600 million is nothing for a gaming studio that first had to establish itself and partly developed its own engine. Rockstar, Bethseda & other big studios already got the money and the engines the devs to run and raliy on and most of them still fuck up like star field costet 400 million where the main development was development was done within the last 3-4 years. 12 years with 600 million for a studio that has to pay workers, servers, etc. and to make it this far is really impressive. Everyone who works in the gaming industry takes off their hat now at this point. 2024 gone be an awsome year for the game
Im still learning a bit about it but the "scope creep" talked about was very much features they ( mr Chris Roberts) wanted from the start. The thing that did em in was when pne of their planet tech guys was like "hey i can make it so we can fly to and from planet surfaces, not have a load screen" and everyone went wild for it. That was when the single player game and main work on the game drastically changed. It was originally going to be more like Freelancer where planets were kind of instanced Far as i was told most other systems and gameplay they are working on / adding was planned.
Though that is vague way to explain it. You did it well. I am really surprised by how many do not know this information. Remember Pupil To Planet in 2015? And CIG has never required me to pay more since 2013 to play with all they have and are creating. If you define the word scam, CIG really sucks at it.
As someone who came from games that are just torture…. Dayz… no man’s sky…. And a few more… I see star citizen as just an epic adventure. Course I don’t play star citizen like I do dayz quite so much… but I still enjoy the game and keep coming back. Definitely excited to see them get to the 300 planet system that are wanting
It's always gonna be bad man, they are never gonna finish it. Might as well save your money and wait 20 years for some triple a company to make a similar game
What is going on in Star Citizen in 2024, Well lets start that the beginning... STOP! This is becoming a meme on youtube. You can't put a year in your title then rug pull with over half of your video on the history. There are thousands of videos that document the history of SC, I clicked on one that was going to shock me on what's going on in 2024.
As someone who enjoys star citizen and everything it has to offer, the fact that you said you'd buy a $200 ship and the bought it in game is the best. Its the best because you aren't wrong, you DID buy a 200 dollar ship, but you spent probably less than an hour getting to money to do so. I think one of the biggest misconceptions with star citizen is that you have to spend all this real life money to enjoy the game, but in reality its not true at all. The only ships you cant get in game are the ones that release that patch/update. Even so, they become available to buy in game either the next patch/update or the one after. I think that's something CIG (the developers) need to focus more on.
Can you tell me what makes the game exciting for you? I've been thinking about getting this game but in every other comment it is said that theres not much to do in the game😅 i really like how it looks and how little i understand from what I see in videos (I love learning complex game stuff) but I also wanna do exciting things that dont get repetitive fast.
@qwaaq I've been playing SC on and off for a few years now, and in terms of the built in gameplay loops, there is a lot to do, but it's shallow. A lot of the fun of the repetitive loops comes from the immersion, as well as developing your skills and techniques to increase efficiency. I largely enjoy high level bounty hunting for a challenge, and head off to salvage ship wrecks when I just wanna relax, but it's pretty much the same thing every time. Almost anyone will tell you that the most fun to be had in star citizen comes from playing with others, and in that regard, there's a whole lot of stuff to do, and a whole lot of mechanics to deep dive into, a notable one being the flight model. Most of the repetitive loops become way more fun and somewhat chaotic if you do them with friends. There are also massive in game pvp & pve events hosted every other month or so, which are some of the most fun I've had in any video game, and when those aren't running, players host there own unofficial events (such as races, and battles) almost constantly. If you're iffy about buying it, they host a free to try (free fly) event every once in a while, but I don't think the next one will be for a few months. Now is a pretty good time to get into the game, they are getting ready to release one of the largest patches in a while, adding a lot of new mechanics, and quality of life features. Overall, if you're willing to make your own fun with some friends, and work around some (a very large amount of) bugs, you'll have plenty of fun, but the game is absolutely not for everyone. If you want a look at a what pvp with a crew can look like, take a look at bedbananas "the war for jumptown" video. Hope to see you in the verse o7
Honestly, i think they're running out of money and due to insane mismanagement of funds, i'm 100% sure that the remaining "chapters" of Squadron 42 will be compressed and rushed out . Star Citizen has been in development for 12 years now, and it's still just a tech-demo.
you are bringing up a lot of old points that have been addressed already .. :> they are not "adding stuff all the time" they are working on and delivering stuff that has been promised to the community and has been on the agenda for years. The Singleplayer that you said "isn't even completed" was announced as feature complete and is in its final phase before release. The currently Player facing part (PU/MMO) has been in an abysmal state for years because the single player has been the focus .. since that now is largely complete these devs are now in the process of finishing stuff and moving to the PU side of things. Blaming problems on the engine is also not helping .. there is no engine in existance that can do what starcitizen is doing .. (and to be frank .. i am sure that 90% of cryengine has already been replaced with custom code) stuff like NPCs standing on chairs has been an ongoing problem for years .. that is due to it being largely ignored as a minor problem that is not really impacting gameplay and the small department of CiG that actually worked on the PU part prioritized stuff that actually impacts the game ..
You speak with such expertise. How are you so qualified to competently say that Star Engine is the wrong engine? You need to present facts. Truth. Don’t just use opinion to present these things.
Hey thanks for watching! If you want to see more kick starter deep dives , then leave a like!
Do a Valheim! although that may just be an Early Access title not kickstarter.
I would say SC is in the realms of a kickstarter anymore. But sure
I always enjoy someone who dont know anything about the game complaining.
Most of the issues comes from Servers. People who managed to get the game to run in Single player have reported that it runs perfect with close to no bugs. NPCs are also working fine.
THe game jsut need the dynamic server meshing and it will cut away 90% of the bugs.
Already looked at it last year :) ua-cam.com/video/-xvLxDLOqIY/v-deo.html
@@sawmanUK Glorious!
I just became a dad when I crowdfunded Star Citizen. My kid will be 20 when this game releases, that's wild
2026-2027 for release quality my friend, been saying this for over a decade now, like wise for 7+ years been saying 2025-2026 for sq42 release and after all these years if im 1-2 years i frankly wont care either, but i still think my predictions after all these years is still pretty close to nailing it and true my kids will have almost become adults by the time the game hits beta as well.
At some point that billion plus of funding should actually speed up a games development @@JINGWA64
It's never releasing. I said that in 2017. SQ42 isn't real.
Imagine crowd funding a game at age 50 and being 70 when it goes into beta
this is a lot of peoples futures.
@@Healthy_Tokihate to break it to you, but this near $1 billion dollar game is simply just a tech demo. It'll never be a real game, because of how delusional Chris Roberts is
@@Sniped137Hating just to hate lol.
wow imagine 50 + 20 = 70 that's crazy
@@baldmista1907 hating on an unfinished product 14 years in production? Nah it's called using your non brainwashed anti cultist brain
One rule that gonna save your life in SC countless times. NEVER aim at something you don't want to crash into.
This is very true. Especially if you get into a new ship. I'd rather blow past my objective and be able to turn around then the point dead at it and die.
And you still explode randomly in clear and open space 🤦♂
That is because you don't strafe properly. You literally can't crash in yout target if you moving in perpendicular course.
@@I_am_a_human_not_a_commodity Funny thing I don't. Times I died from invisible asteroids are long gone. So I assume you just don't watch your course carefully
@@malkowitchUnless I intend to land, I never fly toward anything I can crash into, even planets. It's a known issue and still happens all the time. Just because you don't encounter the issue doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
From a financial perspective, they'd be crazy to release this game cos rhe funding would stop.
Exactly they will drag this out as long as possible
the funding model post beta development is cosmetics, its already been starting to switch to cosmetics progressively over recent years, the ships take a long time to make, use DCS jet fighter dev cycle for reference or any game that uses high fidelity, functional models within a non-simplified game engine = lots of time, lots of dev costs, they are infact very expensive to make due to how many man hours and different skill sets are involved, dont believe me? ask a professional dev team for a quote to make a new DCS jet or a new SC multi crew ship to the SAME functionality and spec as the existing completed assets, you will cry, including when they tell you how LONG you will have to wait and they cry when you realize you need to sell your assets to pay for it, especially so if you asked a dev team to make something on the larger side like the javelin, complex engine mechanics, high fidelity assets = costs and time skyrocket with scale.
meanwhile games like warthunder with a simplified engine, simplified assets = just takes a few months to drop in a new jet or tank and conversely if you wanted to pay a pro to do it, the price would be pretty cheap,
This is why CIG has never wanted ship sales to be the end goal of funding and sustained development post beta as its to much work and infact CIG has never actually had the manpower or budget to do all the work efficiently, so high quality yes, but slow due to lack of manpower, like i said 10+ years ago they needed 1000+ people, 10+ years and 1 billions usd to cover dev costs, this is a MMO which by default increases dev time and costs, but its also a high fidelity MMO, with complex engine simulation and assets and based of the CIG head count, budget and other projections i calaculated 2026-2027 to release quality based on basic industry dev standards and logic compared to what other AAA could do at the time, rockstar actually being my main basis for calculation.
eitherway your viewpoint is basically of the mark.
Sorry but this is BS. With a released game incl. SQ42 they will make much more money. Also the costs for developement will go down. Also server meshing will safe them a lot of money.
So yeah, your comment is BS.
I agree. There is no incentive to release the game, none at all.if they release the game they will lose money. Unless they go to a subscription model. If they don't lose their player base first.
@@DrPet80 coping
By the time the game is out, no one will remember who Gary Oldman was.
Who? Way things are going he'll be exposed as pedophile like most of woke hollyweird. My take is that the US will have a civil war before this game goes Beta.
Or he'll be gone from Oldman to Diedman.
who?
There is load screen when game crashes to desktop.
😹😹😹😹 yes VERY true
Did you know, IF not poor game will not crash
-Star Citizen Loadscreen
Man i got super burnerd from SC... playing a game where you see an item press F and you pick the item instead of having a seizure feels so good after you play SC, putting something in your inventory and the item being there and not dissapearing, reappearing, moving to your hand, going to the floor... it just feels refreshing
Peoplw just get so use to SC, that they no longer realize that nothing really work, and you do the same mission thousands of times for years with no end goal at all but to do the same mission again
Totally. I thought I was getting too old for games. Then I went and played something besides SC, and found out the game was broken, not me. 😅
You should give SWG legends a try if you want something that actually works but scratches some of the same itch.
Honestly no matter how much I look at "gameplay" I can never tell what the fuck is going on, or what is happening.
It all just looks like some dude walking around, pressing endless menus/buttons, flying his ship for no fucking reason and then ending it all.
thats literally what astronauts do too xD they take samples and push buttons
i like it
Watch Jumptown by Bedbananas, that's literally the best gameplay video of star citizen
@@yous2244 Will do, thanks!
wait until you see eve online
main issue is its been over 10 years and there isnt a single gameplay loop yet which is not critically bugged, they can't even get delivering singular boxes from one place to another to work, your quests disappear, your boxes disappear, your ships disappear, the turnins disappear, there isn't a single thing that works currently
The irony of him walking past the FOUR remote turret control stations which are directly located in the room next to the cockpit and would have been up and running within seconds is delicious. :D
There is not a single Game engine that would work for Star Citizen, because ALL game engine have a 32bit coordinate system.
Unreal Engine 5 max map size is 20.9707km². How would you go about making a seamless space game if you can't even render a full size city without the Engine crashing ?
They HAD to pick CryEngine2 because it was the best at rendering big maps, but even it doesn't have capability to render maps as big as StarCitizen would need, so they rebuilt most the engine code and created brand new techniques to render much larger game spaces which is where most of the money went to. this is what most people don't understand, these devs didn't spend 600+ million dollar on an MMO game, they spent 600+ million dollar on a GAME ENGINE. for perspective EPIC games spent 3+ BILLION dollar on the Unreal Engine.
😂😂😂😂
I think its definitely up for debate how much of the original cryengine/lumberyard is actually left untouched at this point.
@@Cooltrain only CIG knows for sure but, since they gave it it's own name and showcased it's own Demo last year with some of the features that are unique to it, i think safe to say it's a completely different engine by now (and opening the possibility to commercialize it. *maybe*). i actually think Lumberyard has more to do with Cryengine that StarEngine has with Lumberyard since they also took some code from Lumberyard too and reworked it.
factually engines like that already exist for years, with server meshing for space games with thousands of players in the same universe, walking inside spaceships, full planets, trade, fight etc.
@@jh5kl the reason its normal for things to start complex at SP and get less complex at MP and even less at MMO is pretty basic dev logic, especially if you want to do server meshing as the more complicated the engine, the more complicated the server meshing becomes and also more servers need to be spooled up, spooled down and managed if you want a good player count interacting with each other in the same space = not even blizzard was interested with its prehistoric arcade game engine using 20 year old graphics and its multi billion dollar budget and fully staffed office full of back end engineers, they just NOPE.
so im not sure which games your talking about?, EVE doesnt do it, NMS doesnt, all the AAA MMO's dont do it, they may do PRTAS to it, but they dont do it ALL seamless or the same complexity as SC, which will get several times more complex post server meshing... hence why the server jank increases with each update.
other games = you still have load screens, player sharding that prevents players in the same zone or server interacting with each other in the same zone so the player interactive count is pretty small unless you cap it and simplify it like COD or BF games for example eg no longer a MMO anymore you reverted back to a basic MP game again to dodge the problems of MMO development, which is what basically most MMO's do these days anyways, they say MMO, but they are closer to a MP game then a MMO.
even when the players in a MMO are supposed to be on the same server, if they arent in the same party or group and the shard is full = another sever spools up and they go into that server shard and well the game engine complexity is always minimal, so even EVE just becomes a -1 frame per second map screen despite its lack of complexity..
SC is basically trying to be DCS in space, but with its fidelity spread out over a larger area, so not focused around the cockpit and the jets exterior surface elements, so the cockpits in SC are less functional, but everything around it is several times more functional then DCS, yet if anyone suggested turning DCS into a MMO they would think your f'ing lost your mind, yet CIG is essentially doing way beyond that.
again thats why you dont have any comparable examples that make any sense, anything that attempts to compare just makes what CIG is doing look even better, but again its why CIG has taken so long and why others dont try it, gamers already settle for less, they have no reason to make their games that good or good of experience as SC is aiming for.
though saying that in around 5 years, doing what took CIG 10 years will be done by Ai in 2-3 years, but this also benefits CIG as well, not just their future competition, so its kind of who makes it first and gains the market share of gamers interesting in that kind of experience before the rest jump all in.
This game is what it is and it will never be finished, nor will it really get any better.
The main problem of SC currently isn't the engine, but rather the Amazon servers. Loading into a fresh server with barely any people on it everything runs so smooth and NPCs actually do their NPC things like not standing on chairs and combat NPCs are extremely lethal. Majority of the jank SC has can be attributed to poor server performance.
The issues would get better if they spent more on servers. However the collision issues are baked into the engine. No game using cry engine has great physics...it's claim to fame was being pretty
Is not their servers, is their current systems, thats why Mesh is vital for SC success so PES can work, if Mesh fails, no server will hamdle SC and the project will burn
Amazon servers can handle it, but it won't do well until we get full server-meshing and such.
@@frogger2011ifyThey're already paying top dollar for servers -- Amazon is just crap. They recently talked about it on SCL, how the data they were generating during the 3.18 launch was unprecedented for Amazon and their data centers literally could not handle the data due to PES plus all of the concurrency (it was several magnitudes more than whatever is above petabytes). It literally brought down Amazon's databases, and so they had to bring in specialist engineers to try to restore everything.
@@Billy-bc8pk which is why they have the lowest their of server agreement with AWS. AWS runs near everything at the moment to call it crap is foolish on its face. They had the opportunity to get the top tier of servers and back end server meshing but they would have had to profit share with amazon. In doing this though you get as many servers as you need no questions. Don't believe what they tell you look for the documents. They played dirty with Crytek and amazon
why would they ever finish this game, it makes more money never being finished!
The biggest issue IMO is that feature creep has run absolutely rampant, there is nobody keeping the "Good idea fairy" in check. If they actually stuck to the original vision of the game they could have released all of the core features they promised within the timeframe they originally advertised, but when they start going "Wouldn't it be great if..." and add random things like eating food, hospital respawns, depressing 1-person raves, etc, it bloats the development to the point where the core features of the game are neglected, and their ~200 employees are working on like 500 disjointed things with no clear vision for how to turn it into a finished, polished product.
A comparison to Elite: Dangerous really highlights the flaws with SC's development. They both started at about the same time, but Elite was released core-feature complete 10 years ago, within like 3 years of getting funded, and then new content, like ground combat, has been added on over time as improvements with a very clear sense of direction and timing, which is why it still has a large player-base. Those new features keep the game fun and keep old players interested because there is pretty consistently something new to do. Critically: ever since launch the game has been running bug-free at buttery smooth 60+ FPS on typical hardware, and they were even able to seamlessly completely replace the graphics engine in 2022 because they spent years planning out the shift, with the game only being down player-side for like a couple hours at 1AM to make the change. ED has been able to do the same thing SC is trying to do, adding features beyond it's original vision like ground exploration, fleet carriers, infantry combat, and building/settlement/station interiors over the years, without compromising it's original vision to do it, and because of that, for every second of the last 10 years Elite has been a more stable, fun, playable, complete experience than SC, which in the finite scale of a human lifespan is a very long time.
SC is selling a dream, whereas for the last 10 years Elite has been the game you can play today.
I agree with you somewhat on ED, but ED has even worse game balance and refuses to fix any of it over 4 years, and ground FPS is essentially useless
@@PapaFenn I definitely agree that the ground combat in ED is not great, but you also can completely ignore it if you don't like it because ground combat is sectioned off as it's own thing, and it didn't delay the development of the core game experience at all. I wasn't bothered at all by it being somewhat mid because it was a 100% optional additonal feature that just didn't appeal to me, but didn't affect the core experience in any way.
SC is one of those games that actually needed corporate guys in suits cutting things out, setting deadlines, and getting shit done.
It's not scope creep anymore. They just realized that they can make A LOT more money by overpromising and underdelivering. Why finish anything in this game when it's way more profitable to keep it in a shitty alpha state and have people pay 2-10x of what they pay for other games that actually work.
You could go back to this game 5 years later and still see the same buggy trash
Truth. It will never be fixed.
@@Kleavers We'll see :)
@fmartingorb come back here in 5 years 😊
correct, because they wouldn't be able to sell all this shit if they actually finish it
i check the game every 12 months, based of whats occurred over the past decade, your comment doesnt make any sense from a developers perspective.
after more then 10 years i still break the balls of my buddy who bought 50 dollar ship back in 2014 orso
his balls are beyond busted at this point, thats a decade of testicular torture
For me its the game I enjoy the most. Nothing even comes close to it.
Then you haven't played a good game yet
@@Turican76 as a person that does not play single player games, I have not yet seen a multiplayer game that comes near what SC offers.
I agree with you there. As far as multi-player games go, it's hooked me the most. It's not perfect, but it's been my go to time since I started playing it after putting down Starfield in late September of last year. I just hit concierge yesterday and I'm excited for the next patch.
If the servers were stable with good NPC AI it would be an amazing game. Even with only the current content. Looking forward to improvements in this regard
I find myself annoyed by any loading screens in other games, even very second short ones. On top of that SC have so many different things to do so its like multiple games in one.
At some point, you need to bring up the sunk cost fallacy when talking to people about this game. I know people who have spent hundreds of dollars over 5+ years who constantly tell me "its almost there, just a little longer and it will be great!"
Personally, I think it will be 2 or 3 more generations till they can do everything they want to do, the way they want to do it... if they ever want to release a finished game rather than just spend their time making new ships to sell instead.
I wonder when they'll add an uninstaller? Is that the 1 billion funding goal?
For a game thats been in development for 14 years i expect it to be perfect... When i did a free flight there was bugs up the ass and there was ZERO information how to actually play the game or leave the spaceport 99% of this game needs to be youtubed to learn how to play since the game lacks on giving information on how to properly play it just tells you how to drink water and leave your room the rest just leads to your spaceship. Things only get worse when you die in space by another player and lose everything having to go back to collect your stuff when it should just give you your gear on spawn.
Now there is a tutorial (which crashes for a friend and he can only play by skipping it)
I remembered playing a free fly weekend. Holy shit was it bad.
Can you elaborate on what specifically was bad about the game?
@@coth5250 NPCs T-posing, ship doors killing you or not opening or closing, trains passing through stations, losing HP when you shouldn't, game crashing every hour or so, do I need to go on? last time I've played is a year ago and in 3 hours (before I rage quit) I've experienced all of this...
@@coth5250 There was nothing to really do. I tried during 0.3.1 update. The game crashed constantly. I had a pretty strong PC, and it ran very poorly. Some of the controls just didn't work. I think desync was pretty bad. The servers disconnected a few times, and I had to restart multiple times. Just really bad stuff.
Yeah it sucks but it's because you played on free fly week so many people try to get on it overwhelms the servers overall bad experience
@@luis567lrso then why have free weekend if the devs know it'll be bad and leave bad tastes in many mouths?
somehow after all these years, the physics still feels bad. the ship stutters instead of fly like a real aircraft
Thats because at 5 server fps at moment the physics are not fully working under havy load. Just try it again after .23 maybe wait a for .23.1 for some more fixes and you should be good to go with the the next improvements
@@const2499 sure, so many years, I can wait till it fully launched and on sale, or longer
im calling bullshit on those player numbers
Same, you fly around and it's a ghost town on every full server. People are out doing the same 2 loops with almost no interactions.
Alt accounts for free ship promotions offers.
The biggest reason not to play this game is so that we don't encourage other companies to do this. The people that invested in this game early on expected a finished product by now. With the money they have, the game should be complete and good. As it stands, this is just a fancy tech demo with some things to do.
Other companies don’t do this.. this is crowd funded..and for AAA games this cost to date is nothing .
Cyberpunk…. Starfield….. Anthem…. Fallout 4…..
Some things to do? It has more gameplay loops than starfield and so many locations and sites to visit. Yeah some stuff is not finished but you have tons of missions from the get go, and even mission givers. Space, ground, atmo, all types of combat, from fps to ships to ground-air combat. Cargo runs, mining, salvage, racing, bounty hunting, illegal missions, etc
Didn’t Starfield take like 10 years to make? People are mad it’s taking so long because the devs are open during the whole development cycle and not just the year before launch
Relative to dev time or what?
They have already surpassed anything "traditonally" expensive, bar a few Big time(money will) bring quality) duds, that have managed to spend loads of comparable money, in less time, when Publishers wanted to take down the MMO world, or Overwatch And the like.
There Is nothing remotely as expensive And in "uncertain" Waters alike SC, not overall, And as far as other similiarities, not even Anthem fits the bill.
And(!), this on a "better vision by gamers", a NEW TYPE of a world/game type, brought by Lots of running away with deadlines And goalposts.
Nothing from Rockstar has ever Ate the money this has. As far as dev money, GTA6 probably won't match what they have managed. They Are still(And still Will be) HOT in development for atleast a year-ish time, if all falls into place. But it seems like a 3+yr endeavour still.
Like with previous GTAs, or Read dead R, Making a game for 180 million And marketing with 250 more, Is different, than burning it all on dev And being 30-70% Done, depending on how they manage to get to "a game", And what gets toned Down, or cut.
As far as history of development, the Books say they might need 1.2 bil, And still Crash with the game And it's delivered scope, when they tie the loose ends And cripple the ambition to match what they Are able to release.
The game was supposed to be Done, then expanded upon, years ago, there Is no Reason pre-emptive study would not, could not, say, what Is And isn't possible, yet the game still has "better do it like that And see what happens" kind of "unprepared" all over it. If SC releases in Q3 2025 I do not expect anything Awe inspiring, that gets expanded upon, while not running other aspects of the game into the ground.
I mean, they did do some novel work, but with different people, loads of backtracking And rediscoveries fall on CR's shoulders.
The mainstay Is being Held back by iffy at best judgement from CR And Co., while He Sells Dreams. CR's most present "attribute" Is Always knowing what to do next, And BEST aswell. In the end, they Are gonna use AI And other, many other things they have Worked hands on, partials of greater whole, that Is a part of developing systems And AI, developed elsewhere. years And 100s of million PooOfeD Away. All of that Will ve void, uf the game makes a billion the first year And some, And 3 in 4 yrs. But for that you need not a Closeted self doubter/vice man like Roberts. This seems nigh every bit a Freelancer 2.0 posing as the 8th iteration.@@paulmorley9894
This game would be right up my alley if it wasn't bloated, buggy, and stuck in forever development. Early Access games like this are "play now while imagining what it could be." If I want to imagine something I'll read a book. Great video liked and subscribed. =P
in contrast, starfield and skull and bones are released imagine what it could be games lol :P
@@eli34536 not familiar with Skull and Bones. But giving Bethesda money after 2014 is basically just not a thing I do anymore.
Have you actually tried it though? It is buggy sometimes for sure but a great many of us sink huuuundreds of hours in it. Even if it never comes out I have more than gotten my money's worth. You should consider trying it out during a free fly week. Just make sure you either watch an up to date 'getting started' video or try out the guide system to have some one walk you through the first 30-45mins...it will really help you to get into the meat of it and to see if you like it. It takes a little effort for sure but the juice is worth the squeeze if you've always wanted to walk around inside your own ship and to fly it from space all the way down to anywhere you feel like on a planet in one smooth, seamless transition.
@@eli34536This is such an excellent point that people like justarams ignore: what good are finished games if they are worse than the games we played 20 years ago? There is literally nothig new, innovative or even remotely engaging about Starfield, yet I see so many people say, "at least it's released!" and it's like... "If it's not fun, what's the point?"
Star citizen is not really stuck in development. It's actually just the second project, the main being SQ42. SQ42 is now features complete and in polish state. So rn update and developement for star citizen will be way quicker since they moved staff from SQ42 to work on PU star citizen, they will implement feature from SQ42 to star citizen and the main thing is that the server meshing will be kind of ready for release "soon". The reason is simple why it's been in developement for so long and will still be, it's useless trying to develop star citizen if the server meshing (surely the most difficult thing to develop, that's why no other studio or even compagnies outside game industry even tries to develop one, most server engineers would and was even saying 10 years ago it's impossible to achieve what they wanted to do) is not ready. So if you know it will take a decade to maybe succeed in making server meshing, it would be absolutly pointless to develop all the feature of star citizen since it could not be implemented in the game since one server only cannot handle the whole thing. Doesn't matter if Pyro is ready or other feature are ready, their goal is to have a huge seamless game, and it's not happening without server meshing.
So every once in a while I’m thinking about star citizen and then watch a video about the current state of the game. Just to find out not much have changed.
I’m really curious to see how things ramp up through 2024 and 2025.
It should be something you should already know. All their going to do is just sell ships, that's all their concerned about. We will still have next to zero content, planets remain barren aside from a few outposts for missions, that's it. This year and the next will bring nothing new other than ships, that's is it.
cope
like always, get promises by your overlord Chris Robert this and that will come soon, it gets delayed, it gets delayed again, then after 1 year or delays half of the promises removed then it gets released in a broken halfa**es state and that breaks the game even more and you sheep still keep on playing your failed tech demo of a game while Crish Roberts will probably buy his 3rd SuperYacht in real life XD
@@Danickas0😂
And 2026, and 2027, and [...] 2037, 2038....
This tech demo is like Escape From Tarkov.
Development will only get serious when the competition gets serious, or they mess up something so badly that funding could be at risk. They do not give a shit about what the players think, it's all money for them now, and keeping it flowing.
Yes. you get a palpable feeling in these two games that the developers DO NOT WANT YOU TO PLAY THEIR GAME. Even the way it keeps asking you your password like Tarkov sometimes I would be like Wahts my dumb password again that requries like 3 different symbols? and then after 3 attempts u get banned for 20 minutes from logging in or whatever... oh servers are down today? oopsy we just saved some money OOPSY!!!!
This game will take a quarter of a century to complete.
And then it will need remastering 😂😂😂
As a crowd funder, I left the game in late 2020, after 3.9 drop, they nerfed hauling and implemented the prison system. Cutting my losses and never returning.
Haven’t played it since 2018 and it looks the exact same , buggy, barren and bloody boring 😅
Your audio levels are jacked my guy. Maybe some eq and compression would help, you're also clipping hard when throwing in those little samples at times.
Audio nerds have to be the nitpickest mfs on earth 🙄
@@ophbmystik It's not nitpicking. Sound is important. A blurred picture sometimes can be ignored, but bad sound is a quit moment for a lot of people.
@@BeigeAlertHamburg but you are nitpicking. Unless you’re sitting there with your volume on 100 on every setting i dont see how you can be bothered by this video.
Its really not that bad
@@BeigeAlertHamburg and notice how you are the only comment that talks about how “jacked” the audio levels are
@@ophbmystikThe audio is jacked and clipping, it's too damn loud.
You know what would really take this game to the next level? MORE EXPENSIVE SPACESHIP OPTIONS
I tried it when there was a free weekend offer. Looked fantastic but controls where too much. Practice would fix that but I just don't have the patience.
I was the same the first time I played it, luckily I had some friends to guide me this time. It’s 100% better with people who know what they are doing
most every involved game takes time to learn. Look at the vast amount of things you can do? Ever see the cockpit of a jet? now add mining, salvage, ground vehicles, FPS, buying, selling, modifying, etc. After a few weeks it gets much easier.
Ever go Snow skiing? Most quit on first day or weekend...and never get to know how fun it is.
FFS Scam Citizen fans are lost sheep.@@cygnus6623
@@cygnus6623 After a few weeks, you've done everything there is to do in this "game" lol.
My advice is play arena commander pirate swarm until you complete it then play on the PU
What's really funny is that CIG advertises that they have millions of players and thousands of players online, but I never see any news or anything that confirms this claim, other than shady websites that publish huge amounts of false information such as inflated player counts. It's strange that such a “big” and “great” game has such a small community of streamers and so on.
Great games are based in great gameplay. Why was Tetris and the Sims some of the best selling games of all time? Because its the gameplay, its not the graphics or immersion, its the gameplay and innovation and creativity that makes for a great game.
And that is what Star Citizen's devs and Chris Roberts seem to have completely forgotten, instead smothering "great graphics" and useless features that do nothing to improve the gameplay. We've seen this for decades, developers bragging about graphics, are doing it because there is so little else to brag about.
And of course, Star Citizen will NEVER allow for player customization of their ships to the extent to being able to design your ship from the ground up to look and feel exactly like what you want, because they want to charge you cash for that.
Dogfighting is amazing.
But The Sims doesn't have gameplay.
@@danielwesterlund1905 once Star Citizen can beat the Sims, or even Myst's sales numbers then I'll believe you.
@@SkepticalChris Sorry, didn't mean to imply Star Citizen has any gameplay either.
It's not actually playable to anyone looking to buy it. It's non optimized so alot of FPS drops very inconsistent game play and lots of bugs and crashing. It's in "beta" so it's "ok". But don't run out and buy it expecting a playable experience. It's more like hanging in there because you love the concept. I have a 4070ti and a i9 with 32gbs of ram. I've asked to community, about performance issues and they say it's everyone not just me.
Among the MMO's i've seen, i've never actually met or talked to a person who openly admits they play star citizen. Very surprising they have an estimated player count that large yet its extremely rare to ever hear about it besides the occasional YT vid discussing it as an outsider
And yet...we are legion
I keep seeing the argument that this game develops it's own software and it's a constant fight for RnD, since it's so revolutionary.
But the engine it uses is a modified version of CryEngine from early 2000's, (2002 if I'm not mistaken based on very quick google) and the game itself was released in 2012, so it was using a 10 year old outdated engine by the time it was barely playable. Mechanically the game is nothing new, aesthetically I can imagine the art and models took a while but 15 years seems excessive, and as for completed content there seems to be very very little which is actually finished / ready to go.
So... I think it was a red flag right from the get go, if you lost money on this, it's your own fault you looked at a game that was titled as "Old, outdated and prebuilt" and expected new, special and amazing.
Every six months i log on play for 3 hours to see if it doesn’t suck yet. Then i sigh log out and say ill see you in 6 months star citizen.
Hopefully 3.23 will do a lot to improve the game.
3.23 will be an improvement, but the game will have the foundational tech by the end of the year. Just remember they are developing two games not one
@@fmartingorb Indeed. Also, It's great to see Server Meshing testing, so maybe we will get 4.0 with SM on Q1 2025.
Played the other day. After spending a while salvaging i went to sell my goods. I went to area 18 and it was dark. I had to be careful because the last time i flew in during the hours of darkness my ship was immediately impounded for going out of bounds in the city. This time i chose to hover above the city and wait for daylight so i could see the landing zone easier. I figured this would give me a chance to sort my cargo. As i climbed down the ladder in my Drake Vulture i clipped through the floor and was standing on the landing gear hanging for dear life. Then i fell and logged out.
Bro that's so tragic :D apparently update 4.0 will fix a lot of bugs, but only time will tell! I think thats when ill jump back in again anyway, so i'll chuck you an invite when i do!
@sawmanUK yeah man I hope so. I see all these videos with pvp and I'm struggling just trying to survive the bugs lol
They were going to give us the ability to paint ships using hexcode. That was back in 2016 when they announced that I think. Now they charge for paint and offer zero individual customization. That is one of the most Odd things I have ever heard of in a RPG. That is probably the most predatory monetization of the game.
Hex codes are still coming, but they had to completely overhaul the asset library for Maelstrom. If they implemented the hex codes now they would have to redo the whole paint system with the new visual asset library. They mentioned repeatedly that they will still bring back the cusotm paint system but they have to finish Maelstrom and armour first, since the colours are attached to the new physicalised material system (some of the new ships are already using this new system, like the san tak yai and the Syulen).
@@Billy-bc8pkA billion sunk in and still bare minimum is missing
The core issues with the management and game direction of Star Citizen are the same as Freelancer. Difference now is that the people who are giving him to money aren't powerful enough to tell him to stop Fing around.
I just got to see a Star Citizen ad before this video.
They know 👀👀👀👀
immersion? What a joke!. The immersion is killed the moment you leave the room you spawn in with NPC's frozen in place, standing on tables and chairs. They do nothing, say nothing, don't move, just stand there. immersion killed. ALT F4. Uninstall. $600M and they cant fix that one simple thing. I want my money back!
How's the legal case going?
Really enjoyed this video but dude the audio was pretty bad. Idk if its the mixing or your mic but just inconsistent and i couldn't hear you over the audio of the game at times and your voice sounds muffled and echoing like it's been raised using software
Less than 2000 people play star citizen at any given time now
14 years is a looooooong time to wait. But let's be honest , CR made a mistake of thinking they could modify the CryEngine for the original scope of SC , which put it back 2-4 years at least. Then add the CryTek lawsuit that not only drained funds but morale from CIG , that most likely added 2-3 years to the project as well. I think OCS & SSOCS opened CIG's eyes & they knew they had to create the Star Engine or this was going to be one big pile of Tech debt that would never get completed. Now that the tech is here , it needs a few things to be ready & most of have figured , we've waited this long , might as well wait a lil longer. o7
Not a long time they develop two games and check how a game is make and you will understand it's normal time.
At this point you have to realise it is a scam. As long as the money keeps coming, the scam will keep rolling. Once the money dries up, something 'unusual' will happen and the project will collapse.
just a small correction about star citizen's engine, the devs are calling it star engine and it's an upgrade of amazon's lumberyard engine which itself is an upgrade of cryengine
for reference lumberyard is the engine that the mmo new world runs on so it's got potential to work at scale - the main reason for the bugs is the netcode and the absense of server meshing
Lumberyard was the base - but now its its own beast. The engine they started with was capable of 16km maps before needing a loading screen - StarEngine set a world record with 6 billion km captured in engine. I think 16 player was their max when the PU first started ..now the game can handle 100+ players and Server Meshing is being developed which will allow hundreds and hundreds. The latest Cry Engine is capable of 32km maps and None of the additional features and tools that were built into Star Engine.. so that engine is trademarked and proprietary and is 100x more advanced than the Cry/Lumberyard engine it started from
And starengine has a nice demo / trailer of their features
They still havent sorted the server issues? Jeez
@@JG-nx3jg it’s a work in progress 🤷♂️
@@JG-nx3jgThey actually did, last year, but they haven't deployed it yet because they didn't want to repeat the 3.18 rollout. So they are doing a staggered tech release for the final foundational pieces of network middleware. I don't agree with that method at all, and I believe they should have just ripped the band aid off back in June of 2023 and brought the replication layer and server meshing online back then, warts and all.
When the game runs properly it’s a lot of fun again when it runs properly this game is comparable to an expensive car like a Ferrari or a nice bike like DUCATI . It has a lot of issues but when it works it’s amazing
Almost all the problems you mentioned are to be fixed with server meshing, which is a bit of the holy grail for SC. Basicly it splits the universe into numerous servers that handle their small zone independantly from one another while allowing seamless transitions from one server/zone to another. They've showed a tech demo during the last Citizen Con and some iterations of the precursor tech necessary for it to works have already been tested by players (replication layer).
Now this is a very complex tech and I hope they can pull it off in a not too distant future, but I can't get my hopes too high.
For reference, I happened to land on a server that authentication server decided to ignore after letting 3 players in a few months back. The server was running at 30fps, which is the current maximum while they usually run between 2 and 10 fps when loaded with players. AI was incredibly responsive and actually intelligent, physic worked without issue and everything was smooth af. No NPC standing weirdly on benches, no secret protest, bunker missions were really hard to solo and the AI ships reacted in a very smart way to my actions. For exemple the Hurricane I was fighting, which is a 2 seater heavy fighter with a turret on top was trying to outmaneuver me while keeping its turret pointed at me (the one you show at the end of your video).
The game works, most of what they've already implemented works, but the servers are the biggest issue for now. Having one server handle an entire solar system with persistent entity streaming, physics, collisions and hundreds if not thousands of AI is just too much. Fingers crossed that they can nail server meshing soon !
Good video, always nice to hear a newbro's opinion on the game after playing it for so long. Hopefully you come back to check on the game from time to time !
If it works
@@StoneCoolds why be pessimistic if you can be optimistic?
@@LineOfThy Why be either, if you can be realistic?
@@sunny-vega you’re not realistic that’s just pessimism
Played in 2022 (2 years ago next month), some bugs like the inventory bug or elevator bug just made the game nigh impossible to play but it was good though, just those damn bugs made me refund.
@7:00 the top speed on the ship is like 3,600 kph, you chose to go full speed at a station and only brake in the last second. Also there's no air up there, so you can't just turn your nose and expect to change direction. Best thing would be to turn and boost forwards to change your vector, the biggest thrusters on any ship is on the back so don't brake in an emergency.
I blame my friend for his sh*tty instructions 😹
The tip I give new players that I encounter is don't travel directly pointed at the station in case you can't stop in time. That way you will pass the station by if you miscalculate your speed. This also tends to happen when players start piloting larger ships for the first time. They are used to flying smaller ships and don't realize that larger ships don't stop on a dime.
@@sawmanUK The rule is to never fly directly at your intended POI until you know for a fact that you have control of your ship.
Really sucks when you slam into your friends.
Speed control is everything.
@@underleft If you come from modern flight sims, than you understand that air is crucial in how current aircraft turn and change direction.
If one isn't used to no atmosphere, it helps to be reminded of that.
Also using the broader sides for drag and assist in slowing. But not in zero atmo.
@@underleft Air lets you control your craft with rudders, like you see on planes! You wont need an extra thrust to change directions, thats the benefit of atmospheric flight!
They seem '' stuck '' in a business model that is not aimed at releasing a game. Where's the incentive when you've built a proper business : selling gorgeous ships in a stunning environment. Releasing the game is the side project.
It's a bit like Tinder, it is designed for matches, potentially dates, not to create a stable relationship. That's a promise some users made to themselves.
Of course I understand that the massive work on the engine and the servers got in the way of it. Yet surely the option of releasing a solo experience within a reasonnable amount of time ( for a project that size ), while working on the sandbox as a test server with all the shenanigans and even the ships business, was a possibility at some point. It is a production aspect.
I'm glad it's out there because at least people edit out some great videos out of it and it feeds my imagination.
Ps : you might want to work on the EQ to improve your sound :) it is even more important than the video.
Other way around; the single-player was the test environment because it's far easier t odevelop. But they still needed to design a ton of bespoke systems and middleware to accomplish what Chris Roberts wanted. Things that work seemingly well in Squadron 42 are then ported over to Star Citizen.
They're not fixing NPCs and AI as well as many other bugs, just because they have to change the backend system, and there's no point in fixing unimportant things during development because it'll eventually get broken again. That's what a polishing phase is for, fixing unimportant stuff like NPCs.
Yeah definitely
I hear those are scheduled for year 28....
I still can't walk onto an elevator without falling through the map. After death, I get that medical beep until I kill myself again and sometimes I lose the ability to interact with objects and have to go to main screen to load back in. Forget the visual glitches. After about 20 mins of game time, the station I am on tends to have walls disappear and reappear at random... I love the game but these glitches are insane.
To be fair, you can mash all the right buttons in this game and your ship will STILL explode
They've claimed that a big reason for the slow development was a focus on the single player game, and that now that's in the final polishing stage development should be ramping up. They also showed offan early working version of server meshing which has been one of the biggest hurdles. So fingers crossed we see some real progress this year.
Said literally every year.
@@Kleavers Exactly, so now it's time to see if that was accurate. The two biggest hurdles they've used as an excuse for slow progress have supposedly been passed, so time for them to put their money where their mouth is and show some real progress.
@@Kleavers "I know that they have said it all the times before. That in the -50- 15 years of -Peanuts comic strips- Star Citizen development, -Charlie Brown- Star Citizen never manages to -kick the football while Lucy is holding it- advance, but I believe that this time will be the time when -we go kick the ball and they don't remove it- they will do it."
@@MrEsphoenix copetard
Instead of saying 14 years in production id rather say 11.5 years since the kickstarter so no one can complain about when did production start. At least we all agree on when the kickstarter happened
Interestingly they just did an SCL with one of the guys who worked on the pitch video for the Kickstarter, and he noted there was no development -- just a vertical slice pitch video. They didn't actually start working on the project until they had proper funding in 2013.
there is remote turrets quite literally right behind where you were sititing those 4 concolses in the room behind cockpit
Oh , I know, we found them after we ran away
Most of the scope creep is shit we wanted. Id rather the game never fully release but strive towards its current goal than for them to polish what would be a turd of a full game, most of the longevity is, in my opinion, going to come from the base building and resource extraction aspects, as powerful orgs fight for control of the resource deposits of the inner systems, building mining camps and military outposts and fighting over them. But I'm just jazzed that there is a high budget game with some actual ambition and courage. Also, watching Chris Roberts get giddy like a child watching his dreams come true inspires a great deal of confidence in me personally.
Why does a massive Space Ship that has the technology to bend space time need someone to physically sit in a gun turret instead of operated remotely which have been around since the B-29 - SC was always at risk of becoming obsolete before it's ever released.
Why are they even using humans to crew them?
Just imagine the AIs we could run on those things.
Let humans rot on their planets.
It's a convoluted and shitty technology lore universe... EvE did a better job, elite dangerous did a better job even
There are remote turrets, just not on every ship
@@zwerne42 because first that would be pretty boring and second there are lore reasons for that but you probably don't care
Credible critics don't ask shi like this because they know what they're criticizing.
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Man, that ending was wholesome.
Oh wow. I almost fell for that one.
The biggest problem for me when it comes to SC is the requirements. They are steep. My rig is i5 - 13gen. 64 ram and 4070. I asked some SC players and they said that my i5 would be a bottleneck and i should upgrade my processor if i really wanted to enjoy the game.
i play on my laptop.
Just play on 480p like Roberts expects you too.
Great video. One small correction though, most of the issues you talk about having to do with the engine, like the bad AI and npcs being weird, isn't a problem with the engine, its a problem with the servers being overwhelmed. Enemy AI and NPCs are actually pretty good, when the servers are running properly. Hopefully some of the tech they're implementing in the next year or so will improve server performance quite a bit. the public version of the engine is also quite a bit behind what they have internally. It's going to be updated to match the internal version over the next year or so. A lot of people think 2024 is going to be the make or break year for the game.
Untrue. Even on empty 20fps servers the issue exists.
Stutters no matter what,a horrible experience then they have the gall to charge small car prices for ships.
Scam Citizen
Yes, I'm sure 2024 will be the year everything changes. It's not like you guys have been saying this every year for the past decade or anything
@@vtubersubs3803 previous years didn't have a huge shift in CiG's internal structure. With SQ42 being feature complete, most of the devs working on that have been moved over to the live version, providing a much larger dev force than we've ever had on the live build. Whether the end result is good or not, this year is fundamentally very different.
Its biggest problem is that it isnt fun after the wow factor fades
Mortal online 2 heading down the same road if not worse
There’s a lot of similarities between the two. The dumb thing is , mortal is on unreal engine 5, it’s just badly utilised
@@sawmanUKUnfortunately, that's just the Unreal Engine 5, it's just overall poorly optimised for large-scale games due to CPU threading issues -- something they haven't refactored since the early days of the UE3 changeover, which is why there isn't one large scale open world game built in the UE4/UE5 that runs well.
I think most can agree that we appreciate their ambition but instead of working on 10 different things at once, focus on each part of the game, then move on to the next. I love the fact there is an fps mode in it...but don't delay the game to work on it. Same with so many other aspects.
The only reason I'm caring about Star Citizen right now is because so many of the single-player dev teams moved over to star citizen. They've more or less admitted the game has been on life support, and that this year they're finally doing some real work on it.
I really think this is the make or break year though, if they don't show massive improvements with the full team on board then I'll probably fall off the bandwagon completely, and I'd bet many others will too.
In the meantime though, I do enjoy just living in my spaceship and flying around, that part feels pretty good!
If 3.23 to 4.0 doesnt address the basics, I'm out fir certain as well as everyone in the 3 orgs I play with. Enough is enough.
they recently got the warp portal stuff to pyro working
The time it's taken/taking hasn't worried me. I play a bit each year and have enjoyed it and I love the vision. Even if it never actually releases I think I've got my money worth and am happy to have been apart of it.
Best game I've ever played. After 10 years I'm still enjoying it. I have over 2000 hours played and can't wait for the next 2000 hours.
Haha
Yeah I hear you. Been playing games since 1984 on the ZX81 and nothing comes close to Star Citizen.
I did 5 years only box missions. Best game ever its not only AAAA. It's 5xA
Just curious. Is there a tracker that shows time played in SC?
@@festersmith8352 no. I just average how much I play each week after a new patch. It's easy to wrack up 2000 hrs in 10 years. I put 500 hours into New World in 3 months.
We have all crashed into everything at one point or another in our various space MMO gameplay. It'll get better as you learn the mechanics.
Used to being flush with cash + feature creep = alpha forever.
This reminds me of Copland OS from Apple back in the 90s; Apple was spoiled with success and took 4 years to develop an OS that promised and promised and promised and then never realized anything after wasting all their money on it.
Ye, I've tried it a couple of time, I think I bought the first pack with sq42 in 2018, but my pc wasn't enough and in 2022 I've got a new pc that was able to play it, but I left the game because after a while it gets boring if you're alone.
Yep. That's my one gripe with SC. Sooooo much fun in a group but boring & lonely AF when solo. o7
I used to mock how long it would take for this game to be in a playable state, but I see that's no longer necessary. Now that I can see actual gameplay, I can mock that instead. You couldn't pay me to play this "game."
The people that play this game are part of a cult. They're too invested to admit the game isn't ever going to release in something that resembles a final product. They just keep throwing money at it, lying to themselves.
$54...yeah, I'm lying to myself & I must stop throwing money at it 😂💩🧠🤡
I spent like 40 bucks or something on the game. The games not pay to win yknow.
TL:DR The engine is definitely not the problem. They hired plenty of the Crytek engineers in the past and they know what they are doing. Apart from the 64-bit coordinate, the engine can stream and render on demand. The way they set the objects to render, the physicalization, ingame UI, the huge explorable gas clouds, the way rivers flow physics-based, the way they scatter the different flora, depending on the biomes, caves, clouds, asteroid fields, nebulas, planet rotation for day and night cycles.
UE5 would have problems rendering UI in-game. SC does not have modality in menus, no loading screens, and Loading is asynchronous. Also understand that the networking and database side of things that work with the engine to provide persistence and the possibility to use multiple servers to have the server compute power to process the information for the engine to receive the data and provide a frame is impressive to Google level devs. It is not an easy problem to resolve.
In the short term, we are getting DLSS, FSR, and a proprietary upscaling feature. We are getting Global illumination. We are getting FOG on a planetary scale. We are also getting Vulkan and Ray Tracing integration. With the Vulkan API, they will improve the distribution of rendering between the GPU and CPU. Right now it is CPU-heavy. These are features that were presented already working in the engine. We are also getting the networking side. Testing is ongoing with 800 players in a shared universe space. The test worked better than intended. There are a couple of things they need to polish. But FPS, NPC response, and server fps (This is data in a frame in one second for the client to render) increase to almost the desired 30 fps. You are coming into a patch that is not horrible, but right before a load of foundational tech comes in.
The game you played in this video will be completely different than the game we play by the end of the year. The engine is not the problem, it is the networking side that is the bottleneck and that is going to get resolved. Plus we will have an additional solar system by the end of the year, bigger and lawless compared with Stanton. Nyx will be next and being worked on, plus Odin is already developed asset and POI wise. 4 systems, and a solid foundational tech (Engine + networking) open the door to faster gameplay integration and the dynamic economy... already been worked on for years. They just need the networking side of things to make it work.
This said. If you have fun, good. But come back to the game at the tail end of 2024 or the beginning of 2025. You will notice a sizeable change.
yeah this guy is just yapping and has no idea what he's talking about.
@@UnKnown43783 After almost 12 years of following the game, you find all kids of people with different levels of knowledge. I always preach to know about a subject before speaking, but he is just trying to make sense of it as a noob. The countless info is out there. It would have been smart to watch Citcon and the ISCs after that. He needs a a drink at any of SC bar and relax lol
This has been said every year since 2013
@@calder2293 yeah but in 2013 you did not have a Solar system with 4 planets, a ton of moons, 200 ships, a ton of space stations, a ton of missions, all kinds of POIs on the ground, cargo, mining, salvage, bounty hunting, ship personalisation, a ton of clothes and armours, forests, seas, rivers, lakes, fauna, etc etc. bro thinks we are in 2013
@@calder2293 and nothing has changed since 2013? Or you just hang around in your hangar ua-cam.com/video/muMbBMc60e8/v-deo.htmlsi=1OmAjPxxzTn1EKFP
I went to go download this game and genuinely couldn't get it installed. That's hilarious.
Happy to see this
Hello fellow citizen ? 😹
@@sawmanUK hallo follow dog?
"if u go away from Hello Game Studios, it actually looks nice"
It looks exactly the same! That's what UK looks like everywhere. Fine to me. And i dont live in UK nor am British.
Star Citizen isn't filled with bugs because of the game engine. It's filled with bugs because of CIG's policy of using shitty placeholder code for several important features until Squadron 42 is feature complete (which it apparently is now) and they can transfer over the _"refined"_ versions of said features. This is an annoying a questionable practice, but now that SQ42 is feature complete there's no reason to think they won't follow through, even if this follow-through is hindered by inevitable delays.
They've raised $600 million ?????
There have been many developers in the last few decades who have revolutionized the gaming industry. And when I look at the last few years, no studio has tried to develop something revolutionary besides better graphics.... Bethseda uses assets and the same game engine that was released over 14 years ago. Activision, which feels like it releases the same thing every year, just adapts to the current gaming trends with Call of Duty etc. Ubisoft and Microsoft who are taking over more and more of the gaming market and putting pressure on developers to release something. And Star Citizen's approach tech no one has tried before like server mashing and entity streaming and many more to name a few. This game will revolutionize the gaming market by setting new standards, it will only be a matter of time. I wish Star Citizen had the budget of Gta 6 (2 billion) star citizen budget of 600 million is nothing for a gaming studio that first had to establish itself and partly developed its own engine. Rockstar, Bethseda & other big studios already got the money and the engines the devs to run and raliy on and most of them still fuck up like star field costet 400 million where the main development was development was done within the last 3-4 years. 12 years with 600 million for a studio that has to pay workers, servers, etc. and to make it this far is really impressive. Everyone who works in the gaming industry takes off their hat now at this point. 2024 gone be an awsome year for the game
They should restart the project and call it universe citizen. It will take 100 years to finish the game. Time to invest!!
Im still learning a bit about it but the "scope creep" talked about was very much features they ( mr Chris Roberts) wanted from the start.
The thing that did em in was when pne of their planet tech guys was like "hey i can make it so we can fly to and from planet surfaces, not have a load screen" and everyone went wild for it. That was when the single player game and main work on the game drastically changed. It was originally going to be more like Freelancer where planets were kind of instanced
Far as i was told most other systems and gameplay they are working on / adding was planned.
Though that is vague way to explain it. You did it well.
I am really surprised by how many do not know this information.
Remember Pupil To Planet in 2015?
And CIG has never required me to pay more since 2013 to play with all they have and are creating.
If you define the word scam, CIG really sucks at it.
The game has persistent bugs that have been there for 9 years, thats not an "alpha problem" that is a "they arent trying to fix it" problem.
As someone who came from games that are just torture…. Dayz… no man’s sky…. And a few more… I see star citizen as just an epic adventure. Course I don’t play star citizen like I do dayz quite so much… but I still enjoy the game and keep coming back. Definitely excited to see them get to the 300 planet system that are wanting
It's always gonna be bad man, they are never gonna finish it. Might as well save your money and wait 20 years for some triple a company to make a similar game
What is going on in Star Citizen in 2024, Well lets start that the beginning... STOP! This is becoming a meme on youtube. You can't put a year in your title then rug pull with over half of your video on the history. There are thousands of videos that document the history of SC, I clicked on one that was going to shock me on what's going on in 2024.
I dont believe 19 million people have played this im not on pc but do you need a good one to play this
As someone who enjoys star citizen and everything it has to offer, the fact that you said you'd buy a $200 ship and the bought it in game is the best. Its the best because you aren't wrong, you DID buy a 200 dollar ship, but you spent probably less than an hour getting to money to do so. I think one of the biggest misconceptions with star citizen is that you have to spend all this real life money to enjoy the game, but in reality its not true at all. The only ships you cant get in game are the ones that release that patch/update. Even so, they become available to buy in game either the next patch/update or the one after. I think that's something CIG (the developers) need to focus more on.
Can you tell me what makes the game exciting for you? I've been thinking about getting this game but in every other comment it is said that theres not much to do in the game😅 i really like how it looks and how little i understand from what I see in videos (I love learning complex game stuff) but I also wanna do exciting things that dont get repetitive fast.
@qwaaq I've been playing SC on and off for a few years now, and in terms of the built in gameplay loops, there is a lot to do, but it's shallow. A lot of the fun of the repetitive loops comes from the immersion, as well as developing your skills and techniques to increase efficiency. I largely enjoy high level bounty hunting for a challenge, and head off to salvage ship wrecks when I just wanna relax, but it's pretty much the same thing every time.
Almost anyone will tell you that the most fun to be had in star citizen comes from playing with others, and in that regard, there's a whole lot of stuff to do, and a whole lot of mechanics to deep dive into, a notable one being the flight model. Most of the repetitive loops become way more fun and somewhat chaotic if you do them with friends. There are also massive in game pvp & pve events hosted every other month or so, which are some of the most fun I've had in any video game, and when those aren't running, players host there own unofficial events (such as races, and battles) almost constantly.
If you're iffy about buying it, they host a free to try (free fly) event every once in a while, but I don't think the next one will be for a few months. Now is a pretty good time to get into the game, they are getting ready to release one of the largest patches in a while, adding a lot of new mechanics, and quality of life features.
Overall, if you're willing to make your own fun with some friends, and work around some (a very large amount of) bugs, you'll have plenty of fun, but the game is absolutely not for everyone. If you want a look at a what pvp with a crew can look like, take a look at bedbananas "the war for jumptown" video.
Hope to see you in the verse o7
Honestly, i think they're running out of money and due to insane mismanagement of funds, i'm 100% sure that the remaining "chapters" of
Squadron 42 will be compressed and rushed out . Star Citizen has been in development for 12 years now, and it's still just a tech-demo.
you are bringing up a lot of old points that have been addressed already .. :>
they are not "adding stuff all the time" they are working on and delivering stuff that has been promised
to the community and has been on the agenda for years.
The Singleplayer that you said "isn't even completed" was announced as feature complete and is in its final phase before release.
The currently Player facing part (PU/MMO) has been in an abysmal state for years because the single player has been the focus ..
since that now is largely complete these devs are now in the process of finishing stuff and moving to the PU side of things.
Blaming problems on the engine is also not helping .. there is no engine in existance that can do what starcitizen is doing ..
(and to be frank .. i am sure that 90% of cryengine has already been replaced with custom code)
stuff like NPCs standing on chairs has been an ongoing problem for years .. that is due to it being largely ignored as a minor problem
that is not really impacting gameplay and the small department of CiG that actually worked on the PU part prioritized stuff that actually impacts the game ..
You speak with such expertise. How are you so qualified to competently say that Star Engine is the wrong engine? You need to present facts. Truth. Don’t just use opinion to present these things.
Last I checked the crowd funding was over 600 mil not 2 mil
In the Intro he mentioned ony the Kickstarter funding not what comes after
He mentioned the 600M later in the video.