The Truth About Hitboxes In Rocket League
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Rocket League hitboxes are changing. As of recently, Psyonix has been adding new unique hitboxes to the game that play out differently in the gameplay. In this video, I talk all about that and more.
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Rocket League hitboxes have quite the history. Psyonix has tried many different strategies to get as many players as possible to buy their new items, and especially new cars, when they release. In this video, I go over the history of their attempts at this and their most recent change in approach that might have you a little concerned or excited. Rocket League hitboxes are changing so be ready. This is The Truth About Rocket League Hitboxes.
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So why do you still only use the octane? Why not get a new main and go against the crowd.
The biggest problem is the paywall (and even unavailability for purchase) to access these "new" hitboxes. In the beginning everything was unique but also free (or very cheap in case of the early DLCs). The hitbox consolidation was only good because you never *had* to buy any newly released car to access its hitbox.
Just trade and make some credits……oh wait
that's becuase in the beginning the game was $20 so things could be cheap. Now the game is free to play it has to make money somehow
@@gbamuchukwu6775 But not money with P2W. Other games manage just fine with purely cosmetic items.
@@gbamuchukwu6775 Making the game Pay to Win is not exactly an acceptable solution in a competitive setting. Selling cosmetics is how you are supposed to make money in these types of game
epic makes a good amount of money
removing trading is just a way to get more money short-term instead of long-term@@gbamuchukwu6775
0:50 that car body transition was disgustingly clean
I DIDNT NOTICE OMG
Totally thought I was tripping!!
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I'm 50/50 on this. I've always wanted unique hotboxes to come back. I was very disappointed with the change back then. But at least it completely removed the chance of a pay to win car. If they continue to stick to just hotbox relocations, I think we should be okay. All the relocations so far have been to match the car model. The worry is if they decide to make a completely new hotboxes for a new car that's just bigger in all directions. I would hate hate to see Octane dethroned because of a DLC car that's designed to be better then it. Being owned by Epic doesn't give me confidence..
Same with me
your mom also has a nice hotbox
@@nevill1947 thanks bro
you missed his point...they are just moving the hitboxes now but that has made a pay to win car with more powerful shots. it ain't even pay to win cause i can't even buy the damn f1 car if i wanted
My guess is if they make anything better than Octane then it will not be on purpose. It will just happen naturally. I feel like they just changed the Ace hitbox to fit that car and didn't even consider nor test it out before release. They didn't think about the narly flicks and mustys . If they bring in a better hitbox that beats the Octane, it will probably just be based of the car design rather than trying to be better.
Still waiting for the hitbox that makes my tm8 rotate back post.
Made my day bro.😂
Bro... i hear ya... Trying to get my brother up to GC1 so i can have a teammate , were in champ 1....
There's one thing you forgot to mention tho. While most of the very recent car bodies have shifted/adjusted hitboxes, cars like the Diesel and Scorpion remained with the usual standartised hitboxes
This will likely come, if these changes are well-received.
Scorpion is so weird.
It kinda looks good but it feels so sluggish.
I normally use my glorified golden Fennec for casual fun or the retro Primo for its “snappy” feel for sweaty games, but Scorpion just feels… wrong.
I don’t know if it’s just the Dominus hitbox or the car itself.
You’re definitely onto something with the “pros need to use the car” idea. I remember the Ford Mustang gained a bit of popularity after Joyo first used it. Good stuff as always Wayton
I think it would be interesting if Psyonix held an RL Esport event where the players have to play with a car outside the meta (octane, fennec, dominus, batmobile). Maybe something could catch on and shake the meta some more? Maybe players will specialize in random cars because an event like that would exist? Just something I thought about during the video.
That would be cool. "Which pro will ball out with what random non-meta car?" I'd watch that. lol.
they did, it was an event with the porsche 911 car, it was a 2v2 tournament with pros and content creators and it was won by Firstkiller and JamaicanCoconut
@@Fusion7857_ but I mean an event where any car can be chosen. Pros gotta find the best cars outside the norm, and maybe they would find a car that works better than previously thought.
@@EboRLThing is, there is no objective difference, so there won't be any cars that miraculously just work better. Since in such an event people would not be allowed to use the standard meta cars, that would only solidify those as "better" because of the fact that they got banned from that contest
THE EDITING, dam that was well edited. props to the guys who did that. a work of art.
so cool they make the pay2win cars special. the f1 car is pretty expensive
Good video. I've been pretty disconnected for rl recently and didn't realize they shifted the position of more hitboxes after the initial changes to the f1. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out
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Why did you type it like that lol
@@Zympt I got confused aswell lol
What do you mean "typed it like that"?
@@RunicSkywith cap letter at start of every word
Yeah I just type like that on KBM
I think the adjustment should be made to many cars. The physics principles in rocket league make it so there's a real trade off of benefits and drawbacks to those adjustments. And like many things in the real world, a hitbox that is a generalist will often be better overall because it's not terrible at any one thing. But mainly, I'm all for the hitboxes matching their appearance more closely. They should make a hitbox specifically for the scarab, that thing is awful.
It's true. Longer lever means more power, but less controlled touches.
I see this going three directions depending on how psyonix handles this going forward: either they release a "broken" hitbox like you suggested that breaks out on the pro scene or things stay more or less as they are with players sticking to what they prefer and not spending the money to test every single new hitbox that gets released or, the most interesting option, psyonix updates every single hitbox to bemore accurate (while retaining some kind of standardization) so that each car has at least some unique potential which would open up a lot of possibilities for players of all skill. Specializing in a specific hitbox will be more important than ever.
Somehow Wayton's video quality gets better each time
I would love to have every car match its hitbox perfectly, even if that means going back to 100+ hitboxes in the game.
The only change that needs to preceed this is that all cars are available for free. And it would still be a big win for Epic, as people would rush to buy skins for their new personal favorite.
holy cow wayton never disappointed with his great well rounded vids and editing!
The editing skills on this video are insanely good. Well done!
I get what your saying. But I feel that the fennec and octane looks wise look cleaner. Which as you talked about the placebo affect b4 understand where I’m going. I feel that the harbinger for example doesn’t have those clean lines to follow on car designs.
I’m happy abt this bcz i’ve always wanted every car to have it’s one hitbox that matches up perfectly with the car
11:32 I think it's important to remember, this is a game. Nearly all competitive games manually shake up their META to draw attention and keep people coming back. Compared to actual sports where nothing is changed except maybe a new shoe that has 0.2% better spring to it.
Rocket League NEEDS these changes and interesting updates. Sucks they're still so subliminal and silent about them.
Is it right not to consider it a sport at this point? RL is so attractive just because it's no play-once-a-month-and-be-entertained-game, but precisely because you have to put in the hours and get rewarded for honing your skill, not just exploiting the newest patches. I don't generally oppose the trend, but I think Psyonix should be very careful with the speed at which they change the game, because it's great as it is right now.
@@raphaelefranco1123 no, it's a game, not a sport... 99.9% of the playerbase are not competitive professionals. You can argue that is an e-sport, but I am not participating in e-sports when I play, I'm just having fun with friends, win or lose, like any other game.... just like the rest of us.
@@SA80TAGE Football is a game, too, when you're not professional, but you still appreciate the sport-like character of it that not the game evolves, but the approaches do. Just because not everyone is playing at the top level doesn't mean that changes the character of the game. I for my part would never consider myself anything of a good player, but I love that the progress I make is based on the work I put in, not the exploits I use. Sure, those never stay around for too long, but IMO Rocket League shouldn't become another game where the meta changes with every update. That's why I feel like it belongs more to the sport-category
I disagree rocketleague is unique the Meta is defined by mechanical skill only
@@raphaelefranco1123 football had 100+ years to evolve. It’s fair to say sport/game whatever, but we live in a modern time where UA-cam shorts and tiktok exists. People need shakeups and their attention held.
That’s not to say some people would prefer nothing to change. They’ll exist, but for the health of the game, they gotta start doing something. Someone’s gonna create a competitor at this point. Just like how Fortnite competed against PUBG.
Very informative as always, great video Wayton
Played Octane starting out but now I really only just use the Paladin for each match. Something about that car just feels so gooooooood.
I remember linkuru hyping up the fast 4wd and metsanauris playing with it in rlcs. The car is almost entirely forgotten now.
I'm scared to see the day rocket league becomes a pay to win game...
Been ages since I’ve seen Rocket League stuff, suddenly you popped up again, really happy to see you’re still putting out great content!
Thanks for sharing this information. I'm glad they're taking it more serious and implementing more accurate "car tools" in the game. Certainly other pros have commented on this. Like JZR documenting miss touches and touches that shouldn't have happened. That's also the reason for toppers not sitting on the car correctly.
Finally, I have been asking about this but being ignored in the comments or told. Look at the video bro even though their video didn't talk about the CG point. The fact that the CG point remains in the same spot but the hit box moves is huge and can completely change how the care plays. For the Octane, one of the things that has uniquely about its CG. It has the lowest CG relative to the hitbox. Which creates a sweeping motion as the hit box rotates around the CG during spins and dodges. Creating a artificially larger hitbox.
In the video, you focused on the distance between CG and front of hit box which helps with things like musty, 45, 90 deg flicks. On the flip side, a hit box that has been shifted backward will also help other things like standard flicks. With the subtleys that come with this game. It could open up more standard flicks where the back corners are used to strike the ball. Also, a shorter lever, as you called it. Would have a slower motion when rotating. So it could make soft touches during an air dribble easier and more controllable or possible make the car more stable as the nose of the car doesn't get knocked around as much.
I'm most worried about this game becoming p2w. Imagine epic releases a car with some OP hitbox in the item shop for 20€.
I USE THE DINGO!
am always hyped when I see another player using it… doesn’t happen often 😅
Your RL videos are the best my dude. Smart as always. Looking forward to 2024.
Honestly they could probably just get right down to it and have a popular pro/content creator sign a contract to play with a car for a certain amount of time as an advertisement. It really seemed like Leth was driving up Dingo usage back when that came out.
Saw Leth talk about this I kind of understood till now. Wow that's a big change
His videos are just getting higher and higher quality! Love the intros and videos!
You know its a good day when Wayton uploads :D
I used the primo for a little while and it felt really good. I ultimately went back to fennec, but that may change while I play around at a mid rank and cycle through dominus boxes as well. I assumed primo was breakout and had no clue it was a modified hybrid. Personally I'm a fan of unique hitboxes rolling back in. I'm nowhere near breaking through to higher ranks, and experimenting with different cars is a fun learning experience. Great video, great editing, and very informative. Thanks Wayton
Also something is that It has only happened to DLC cars which if the shift octane hitbox but only on a DLC car It would make It kind of pay to win right?
Cudos to the FX editor, this video is sick
It’s really good. The edit of the cars switching mid aerial was so good.
Hey Wayton! Great video!🎉❤
Imo, the whole "standardization" of hitboxes was honestly the WORST decision Psyonix devs could've made to the game. They had no business doing this whatsoever. Every car was unique and viable in some way. Now you only see two cars in RLCS and those same two cars are always given preferential treatment when it comes to cosmetics, payed or free.
“2024 is gonna be a great year” yes, for other games 😂
facts 😂
I use the Artemis GXT for some reason,it has strong flicks decent challenges and good airplay but I really like the groundplay
This has gotta the weirdest car, it is supposed to have the same hitbox as the batmobile, but it feels so different
I really hope these changes get reverted. Like you said, the best thing about this game is that the meta is defined by the players and their abilities, not by the devs.
The worst part about this is probably just the ptw thing. Anybodu with money can get an advantage as well as removing trading this could be really bad for rocket league
You're getting so manny shout outs from leths channel that i had to come check you out😂
Imagine all cars have the hitbox more matched to its looks now. I would be grinding different cars to find my own type.
I love your analytic videos. 💯
always a good day when wayton uploads
ngl ur intros keep getting better and better👀
Thank you, this is really informative and much appreciated!
nice cut and thks for the infor
I think this is a good change tbh. I think it’s nice to add a little bit more actual different content to the game
for the octane in the beginning, its not weak flicks, you just gotta go at it differently, and they can be as high as an dominus
Hiiiiii wayton this was very useful for me thank you keep up the great work
Says the one who just went straight for the comments without watching the video😏
bro watched in x50
@@MarouRL 😂ok
finally, an in depth explanation on the f1 situation
im so excited every time you release a new video (your my favourite youtuber).
finally!!! ,missed you wayton
I think that this is the way it should be, it will make skill ceiling even higher and it will be way more fun to watch the pro play too as players will start using different cars rather than the 3 main ones. The only problem would be the paywall behind hitboxes, but for a free to play game epic is falling behind on money made as new things dont interest the dedicated players
mainly the reason i use old cars like octane or fennec, are mainly because they feel better, and i been using then for so long so it just feels more nostolgic.
I forgot about the dingo. I have a tw one and some nice decals. I'm gonna use it more because I already mostly play fennec.
Maybe its just me but I prefer when cars have 2 thrusters at the back instead of one in the centre.
A lot of the cars they release that i considered using have a single thruster
great vid, keep it up big boy
Always a good day when Wayton uploads.
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I have friends who play league and valorant and other competative games and there are constant developer notes, characters getting buffed and nerfed and balance issues being resolved. There is a constant cycle of finding exploits, winning a bunch of games and then having the devs patch it. (this inevitably destroys the traditional gameplay and some regular players have to shift). And then they go looking for a new exploit. Following the meta pays big in these games.
I think that phyonix's approach to just standardize everything and to have at least 1 free car in each category was brillant. It might not make as much money tomorrow, but it solidified rocket league as a game that will continue to be competative into the future. If it's all standardized, there is consisency; you can count on it being the same for years. Those who work on core skills will consistently pass those who look for loop holes and exploits. The pro scene will always have the most competative players. This is one of the reasons I've always felt that rocket league is more similar to real sports (soccer or basketball) than any other eSport.
While this update isn't a garunteed bad thing, it does leave our beloved game vulnerable to accidental exploits. As wayton was showing, the F1 (an in game purchase) has a lot more power. If your opponent isn't aware of this update they might get surprised at the power coming out of flicks. It's a small thing, but this may be just the beginning. Could it get worse? could we get circle or triangle hit boxes? or maybe wheels that extend past the nose of the car? who know what is now possible....or maybe it will be fine and nobody will care.
5:24 Its kinda hilarious that this whole vid is about people/pros only using a few cars but there’s a merc right here
This is so interesting 🤔
Just a few days ago, I wanted to use the f1 2021 car just for fun, I take it into training after not using it in years and I said “tf is wrong with the hit box, why is it so weird” because when I had bought it in 2021, it was still shifted back, which is how I got used to it
I like how the fennec says weak flicks when mawkzy exists
It was GarretG who inspired me to use Fennec, long before Zen came on the stage.
As much as I like the concept of the new unique car hitboxes I'm worried at how hard it will be to make one that is competitively viable while also not just being strictly better than the other cars.
funny thing is I thought fennec was more popular car when I first found the car in a reddit clip, I was like: "what is that car I love the looks of it" I was hesitant to switch from octane for muscle memory but when I found out it's octane hitbox I switched immediately even now I love this car if memory serves correct this one of the few that not not only has two exhaust but also it's boost comes from it's tail lights instead of separated space in the midle that is created for every car I saw these two are one of the reasons why I love this car and main reason being ofc octance hitbox, I really wanted DINGO to gain popularity but sadly it did not get that much attention I also the civic type car normal variant specially TW PAINT it's like underglow
I LOVE switching cars, every season I run with the featured car(s).
Also always sicken of Octanes since I picked up the game.
😂❤ GGs
nice, I'm sure I'll be able to sell some of my items to get the best car in the game
... oh wait
>new car releases*
>CC make videos "WOW THIS IS SO GOOD OMG BEST CAR???!?!???!?!?"
> no one uses it ever after the first week*
Everytime a new good BP car comes out LMAO
Its pretty cool that you can kinda have "builds" in Rocket League. Want to focus on Flicks? use a flat car. Want better 50s? use merc
Imagine they made hitboxes become 1:1 with the vehicle shape… that would be kinda cool
bro, finally someone said it.
Just make the hitbox same as the shape of the cars, doh....🤘🤘
1000% agree with it.
@@MadNoisy definitely takes more time in the development however it creates authenticity and uniqueness and every other big word that has something to do with this idea
That my truck, harbinger for life yo!!!!!!!🎉🎉🎉 0:36
Fennec a.k.a. Jeep Renegade without the seven bars grid.
idk if its just me but i like the fennec bc its boxy shape looks good, maybe they should just make another box car (and they better put two boost holes, looks way better)
"Don't fix what ain't broke." the community told Epic.
"But... but money. I want the money!" Epic replied without making eye contact, shivering and gleaming from cold sweat.
I don't think they should be moving the hitbox relative to the center of mass. They should instead move the car body relative to the hitbox to make it match (and rather move the hitbox wheels than the hitbox itself if the wheels need matching).
what im afraid of is them adding a broken hitbox that becomes essentially a pay to win
Very interesting video, new cars are too expensive I don’t spent a dime anymore on this game anymore and haven’t for awhile. I’ve always just found Dom and fennec most comfortable for me personally. I still like to mix up cars once in awhile.
I'm not sure what you are saying is true. The amount of force is determined by the distance from the center of mass to the outer edge of the hitbox like you said, but longer and lower means you are very likely to hit it on the diagnoal which isn't longer on the new cars and only slightly on the F1,but like with the batmobile, much much harder to hit because it's so skewed from the visual box. A good example is the breakout, I'm sure there's a specific point where you can shoot very powerfully from, but in practice, the dominus has much more powerful shots because the box is the biggest from the center to the farthest point AND because of the shape us humies are way more likely to get a properly powerful shot, vs what is actually possible.
Great video!
I want to see unique hitboxes for each car to make a return and maybe even the option to choose your hitbox and turn radius preset
Nice vid man
I’m a fennec main but my reasoning for switching to it from octane was because it was the same hitbox and it felt better and more consistent.
The problem is that shifting the hitbox without moving the center of mass causes HUGE problems - especially for muscle memory. Lightning McQueen has absolutely abysmal flicks and power because the center of mass was too far forward after the hitbox shift. It feels nothing like a Dominus at all, and that’s the main reason that I can’t use it even though I bought the car.
If they’re going to shift the hitboxes, the cars still need to feel similar to their original hitbox.
Been using the bronco as my main. Love it
I kinda wanna see an octane hitbox that gets shifted 👀 wonder how that would feel
Wait the car that u showed at the end while talking about the octane hitbox change did it really happened?
I use the dingo, and I love it. I feel like it is easier to handle and control
You going for that Mr. Ballen look bro? 😂
wow i was a freestyler in diamond with about 2.5k hours and i had to stop playing cause my controller broke and its been like 10 months now and i really miss the game
I personally think hitboxes should be unique to each car to best fit their model, but have models be scaled up/down so that every hitbox is within a certain range of volume.
i love wayton
The Ace has become one my favorite cars! It's currently my main and my control is much better. (Might just be placebo but it works xD)
How does shifting the hitbox forward increase the length of the "lever"? Wouldn't the center of mass also shift?