Rockford Fosgate: Punch Pro Speakers (2.3)
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- Опубліковано 25 січ 2017
- Rockford Fosgate educational overview on the PUNCH PRO series of speakers and what sets them apart from traditional speakers.
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Love these video! The exact information I'm looking for. Thanks!
Just bought set . Thanks for the Video
I'm definitely upgrading to the pro series tweeters and mids. I've already got the p1000.1 and p400x4, (4) p1692 6x9's, p132 3.5's, and (2) p3d4-12's wired to 1ohm. I'm working on changing my head unit beforehand though. But I will make that purchase soon enough!
Nice Shaun! Looks like you have quite a LOUD system there. Switching to the Punch Pro speakers will make it even LOUDER!
Rockford all the way
nice..thinking to get 4-6.5" punch pro with a pair PP8-T and crossover with a R400-4D or P400x4..thanking for the info!! 😉👌
I had the 6.5 and switched to 8 inch way better
Hi, I have a pair of pps4-10 and a pair of pp4-t and I'll be pairing a midrange and tweeter in a cabinet. Now paired together,one 10" and one tweeter is 400 watts rms and the rockford crossover only handles 125rms. So if I use the crossover I will be under powering my speakers,correct? So will I be better off using the crossover from my headunit?
An amplifier "sees" speakers and allocates power based on the speaker's frequency crossover range, like the way a prism divides light into colors. The amplifier will "see" a 4-ohm load between 40Hz - 4kHz for the PPS4-10 which is rated to handle 350 Watts RMS. The amplifier will "see" a 4-ohm load between 4kHz - 20kHz for the PP4-T that is rated to handle 50 Watts RMS. The crossover is rated to pass up to 125 Watts through its circuitry to the speakers. This is plenty of power to feed these drivers because they are ultra-high sensitivity, meaning they don't require as much power compared to an equivalent speaker of the same size.
I currently have a 6 and tweet for midrange but want to add a mid bass woofer to the foot wells in an enclosure, will these be appropriate?
Yes, you can use the PPS4-8 has an 80Hz-5kHz frequency response, so it can work as a good mid-bass woofer.
If i have the 6. 5 and the tweeters , do i atii need a midbass woofer as well as a aubwoofer? I have the tockford t1 12
Most systems work fine with a tweeter, 6" or 6.5" and subwoofer. Midbass drivers are typically for SQ installations where your midrange drivers may bottom out and need to be crossed over at a higher frequency.
hey,could I run a pair of pps4-10 bridge at 2ohms on a T600-2. I heard they are stable at 2ohm bridge.
Yes you can, but the amplifier will have limited runtime. It can thermal is operated at that impedance hard to an extended amount of time.
Rockford Fosgate- I have a pair of PP4-T pro tweeters and two pairs of PPS4-6 Punch pro. What amp do you recommend to use?
The PPS4-6 are rated to handle 100 Watts RMS and are 4-ohm drivers. The PP4-T are rated to handle 50 Watts RMS. We assume you'll be using a tweeter+midrange for the left and a tweeter+midrange for the right, correct? If you're looking for a 2-channel amplifier, be absolutely sure you use the capacitor for the tweeter (+) terminal for each side. You could use either the Punch P300X2 or the compact Punch PBR300X2.
@@rockfordfosgate l have the punch P600X4 when bridged it gives 300RMS but the impedance can only go at 4ohms when bridged is there another way to make it work?
@@Polk8637 Yes, I would simply run the tweeters on the front channels and the 6" on the rear channels. You'll want to play close attention to the gain controls and set them using one of our many level setting instructions so you don't burn up the speakers.
Can i parallel wire 1 4 ohm woofer to the two woofer inputs on the ppx8?
Technically it's possible, but it won't work correctly as this changes the crossover frequency.
So the 6.5" speakers won't do no good as front door speakers to produce mid-bass? i'm looking for strong mid-bass in my front doors.
The frequency response of the 6.5" Punch Pro is 85Hz-5kHz so these will work fine for midbass frequencies (200Hz-400Hz). Keep in mind, these are SPL speakers so they are designed to be ultra-loud! If you're looking for more balanced sound (sound quality), we suggest using traditional Punch speakers.
Rockford Fosgate how good do these sound? i am into sound quality, but i am generally looking for clear loudness with no distortion. any sql speakers?
Rockford Fosgate produces SPL speakers and SQ speakers. If you want Sound Quality with extra loudness, then use multiple Punch or Power midrange or component systems.
Hey can you hook up the 6.5 pro speaker straight to your 4 Channel amp or do NEED a crossover??
Bill Goldberg
No you dont, iT Will Naturally roll of at 5000 hertz
I have a question.... I'm about to install 2 PPS4-8 - Punch Pro 8 "4-Ohm Midrange and 1 PP4-T - Punch Pro 1.5" 4-Ohm Tweeter on a PP4-X - Punch Pro Passive Crossover for use with 4- Ohm Midrange, on a p300x2 amp, I wanted to know if I have to bridge my amp to 300rms and equal to the 3 Speaker and with the cross over its dispatache the power exeacte on each speaker ??? or or 125watts rms recomended is real power handling crossover is dispatch the power exactly 3 speaker ??? 😕 50watts rms is PP4-T and PPS4-8 is 125rms ...is two 250rms + 50= 300rms...
No, you don't need to bridge your amplifier. Just use the instructions that came with the crossover since the amplifier "sees" impedances based upon their crossover frequency "ranges". In other words, the amplifier will "see" a 2-ohm load in the MIDRANGE frequency range (two 4-ohm wired in parallel creates a 2-ohm load), and will "see" a 4-ohm load for the TWEETER frequency range (one 4-ohm speaker creates a 4-ohm load).
my question and esque I need only 125 watts rms on 4ohm my amp as is recomend in the crossover to be able to funcntionné the two 8 "125 rms 4ohm and the tweeter 50rms 4ohm ?? it seems odd I thought that 300rms come in the crossover sa will distribute the power in the 3 channels of the cross over! tweeter and two woofer!
The Punch 300X2 is rated to produce 100 Watts x 2 @ 4-Ohm or 150 Watts x 2 @ 2-Ohm.
For the Midrange, you will be connecting two PPS4-8 operating at 80Hz to 4kHz. The midrange will present a 2-ohm load on the amplifier between 80Hz to 4kHz, therefore producing 150 watts, divided between the two midrange, so each midrange will receive 75W each.
For the Tweeter, you'll be connecting one PP4-T to the crossover operating at 4kHz to 20kHz. The tweeter will present a 4-ohm load on the amplifier between 4kHz to 20kHz, therefore producing 100 watts to the tweeter. A little high, so you'll want to be careful how hard you drive them.
is posibilty to PP4-x crossover with two tweeter T2T-s or T1T-s Rockford fosgate 4ohm and parelle for 8ohm .. pp4-x crossover MODE 8OHM accepted or only punch pro tweeter? ???
No, please use the crossover supplied with the T1T-S and T2T-S. Please only use PP4-X for Punch Pro speakers.
@@rockfordfosgate yes just question ;) thanks !!!! :)
Ife got 1 more question,
I see that the 8 OHM versions are less efficiënt then the 4 OHM of the 8 inch speaker, wich Will give me more output, 125 rms on the 8 ohm or 75 rms on the 4 ohm, and i can also go with the 10 inch and give that one 250 rms,
You're only talking about a 1.5 dB difference between the 4-ohm and 8-ohm. The ear can least detect a 1dB difference when side-by-side. Don't get caught up in specifications. Use the 8-ohm versions so you can power them with adequate power while optimizing the amplifier impedance.
Rockford Fosgate
Oke, thanks alot, then i go with the 8 ohm 8 inch, order them right away
Rockford Fosgate
I orderd. Two 6,5. 8 ohm, they Will get 90 rms each from my other amp and two 8 inch 8 ohm getting 125 rms each. Those 4 Will replace two 6x9 coaxels, very curious how much loader iT Will be
Look at the "Sensitivity" or "SPL" of the 6x9 speakers and compare that with the Punch Pro models. Each +1 dB indicates a minimal detection of loudness, +3 dB is a considerable loudness increase, and +10 dB is double the loudness.
Rockford Fosgate
Efficiency is about the same, but those coaxels have only a small midrange, so i think the punch pro Will be way louder and more vocals, thanks alot
Can i wire two 8 OHM of these speakers in parallel to my 4 channel amp brigded ?
Yes, you can. Wiring two 8-ohm speakers in parallel will create a 4-ohm load for the amplifier. I'm assuming you'll be running two for the left side and two for the right side? If so, you can then bridge the front/rear LEFT channel to a pair of Punch Pro speakers, then bridge the front/rear RIGHT channel to the other pair.
Rockford Fosgate
Thanks for your quick answer,
First im gonne buy 2 and bridge 2 Chanels of my amp to one, i have a rockford p500x4d amp, 250 rms bridged, i gues they Will be pritty loud on that amp,
You're welcome. They are super LOUD so be careful not to exceed the RMS power ratings of the speakers so you can keep them for a very long time :-)
Rockford Fosgate
My amps birthsheet was 593 but thats tested on 14,4 volts and on a test tone, i think so bridging that amp would give 125 rms or mabey a little more. Should be a great match
I really want to run eight of the 6.5 punch pro speaker and 4 pro tweeters. Can i do this with the t1000-4 ad amp?
It's a lot of power and literally a 1,000 watt RMS amplifier. This amp will produce 250 Watts RMS x 4 @ 2-Ohm. So we assume you're wiring 2x 6.5" Punch Pro 4-ohm drivers and wiring them in parallel to create a 2-ohm load per channel. One tweeter will run off each channel, and will receive 250 Watts x 4 @ 4-Ohm, which will over-power the tweeters. We'd recommend stepping up to a 12dB crossover instead of the supplied 6dB.
@@rockfordfosgate thank you for helping me out. The crossovers that you mention are they the PP4-X? Is it going to be 2×6.5" punch pro drivers and 1 pro tweeter per crossover? One crossover per channel on the t1000-4ad? What is the best and correct way for this setup? (8×6.5" punch pro drivers and 4× pro tweeters)
@@victorl147 Yes, you can use the Punch Pro crossovers. There are wiring diagrams in the owner's manual that you can download here: rftech.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1194
If this was my vehicle, I would go with a smaller amplifier like the P400X4 or even the P600X4 since it's a lot of power for 1 tweeter per channel, but it's totally up to you. Better to have more power than not enough.
P400X4: www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/p400x4/
P600X4: www.rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/p600x4/
@@rockfordfosgate ok ive read through the specs. Yes I am going to go either with a t600-4 or P600X4 to be safe. Im a little confused in choosing one of those two. I own a t1000-1ad now for my bass and i love it. The t600-4 says it will produce 100w rms @ 4ohm. I read that each speaker on the crossover will have the same power output based on the amp. Does that mean in this case each speaker will get its 100rms? What about the pro tweeter?
Hi rockford what amplifier you recommend for the 2 pair of pps4-8 with ppt.. thank you
Do they play good I'm thinking about getting a pair?
So does this mean I can ditch my Component set I have in my car now and put these in and just keep my crossover along with the tweeters i have now?
Most likely not. Keep in mind, the Punch Pro speakers have a very high sensitivity rating, so you'll want to compare the SPL (1watt / 1meter) rating between the midrange and tweeters. If there is more than a 3 dB difference, you'll likely want to use matching Punch Pro tweeters. This is because your midrange will be loud, but your tweeters will be struggling to keep up.
Rockford Fosgate I see I was thinking I could get these speakers and hook them up with the Punch Tweeters but seeing that they 90db and these pros are 93db, I guess it won’t happen....unless I use the Skar Audio TX which are 93db 🤔🤔🤔 I guess I’ll go back to the Punch Components and Coaxial 🤷🏽♂️ idk help?
@@thekidbart4528 Let's backup and determine what you're after ... if you're looking to get a little louder without changing any amplifiers, use the Punch Pro midrange with the Punch Pro tweeters. If you're looking for Sound Quality, keep the Punch Components. The Punch Pro are better for SPL, but the Punch Components are much better for SQ.
Rockford Fosgate I’m for the sound quality....thanks Punch seems to be what I’m looking for
@@thekidbart4528 That's great! I think you'll be best sticking with the Punch Components you have. The Punch Pro's definitely get a lot of press, but they are designed primarily for SPL.
I'm freaking confused if you have a built in tweeter xover then why spend 100 bucks on a xover when you can just set your amp xover ?
If you have discrete channels, then you can do an all-active system. However, if you only have 2-channels to work with, a passive crossover is the best solution.
I'm really debating these for midbass in the rear seat speaker spot for my rsx. You don't really get much anything from those speakers now ( prime 3 way 6.5 on old school punch 400.4 ) would these be a good mid bass rear speaker and run good on my 400.4 which I believe is closer to 75w than 50w at 4 ohm?
I also have 2 p2d2 12s on 2 ohm on about 1000w I'm sure they would keep up though.
The PPS4-6 are rated to handle 100W RMS and have a sensitivity of 92.5 dB. The Prime R169X3 are rated to handle 65W RMS and have a sensitivity of 90 dB. You'll hear a noticeable increase in output with the Punch Pro's, so they are a feasible upgrade to what you have now.
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Hola Elmer, ¿necesitas asistencia técnica para que tu sistema de audio vuelva a funcionar? ¿Dónde están ubicados?
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Would these be good for kick drums in rock and metal?
The Punch Pro speakers are light-weight, high sensitivity drivers that actually replicate musical loudspeakers for sound stages. They work great for all types of music, and keep in mind, their primary design is to be LOUD, perfect for rock & metal.
Should I buy a 600 watt amp for two 6.5s and two 6x9s?
You'll need to make sure the power output of the amplifier at the wired impedance doesn't exceed the RMS power handling of the speakers. The Punch Pro 6.5" (PPS4-6) are rated to handle 100 Watts RMS, and the Punch P1692 are rated to handle 75 Watts RMS. If you'll be running a 4-channel amplifier and using one speaker on each channel, choose an amplifier that doesn't exceed 75W / channel at 4-ohms. If you'll be running a 2-channel amplifier and wiring a 6.5" and 6"x9" on each channel, this will create a 2-ohm load and you'll want to make sure the amplifier doesn't exceed 87 Watts per channel at a 2-ohm load.
@@rockfordfosgate I have 2 Rockford pro audio 6.5 4 ohms in each door of my car how would I wire them to each channel on my amp
That's not a midrange like rockford separates in the 90s, these are midbass in reality. Lack of a good 3 to 4 inch mid sucks.
The Punch Pro speakers are a speciality line not designed to compete with older Punch single midrange speakers since the Punch Pro are frequency response tailored for extremely high output. The original Punch separates had a flatter frequency response and are better matched to the current P132 and P142 full range speaker models:
P132: rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/p132/
P142: rockfordfosgate.com/products/details/p142/