Dangers of Mixing Carbs and Fat | Randle Cycle Discussion - Bart Kay
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
- I had the pleasure of sitting down with Bart Kay. We talked about the Randle cycle and his recommendations for people on the carnivore diet.
Bart Kay is a former senior lecturer in human physiology and a professor of Health Science. He worked in academia for several decades as a teacher, a publishing researcher, and a consultant. He retired in 2018 to pursue his own goals as a social media influencer, entertainer, and educator. He is the Nutrition Science Watchdog on UA-cam, debunking false science and helping people get to better health.
Bart Kay’s areas of expertise are in cardiovascular and respiratory physiology, exercise physiology, nutrition, research methods, and statistics. Bart Kay has published several peer-reviewed research articles, as well as book chapters. Bart has been an external consultant for organizations such as the NZ All Blacks, the NRL, and both NZ and Australian Defense Forces.
We discuss the following:
0:00 Intro
2:36 About the Randle cycle
11:43 Glucose as the predominant source diagram
14:17 Rich in carbohydrates
18:31 Krebs cycle
22:43 Activating the Randle cycle
34:54 Meal rich in carbohydrates and fats
37:07 Fat consumption on a carnivore diet
41:36 Thoughts on organ meats
43:37 Adding fruits to the meat-only diet
49:33 Recommendation on the carnivore diet
55:03 Amount of fruit to eat
58:22 Where to find Bart Kay
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You can find Bart Kay here: ua-cam.com/users/BartKayNutritionScienceWatchdog and another one of his videos on the Randle cycle here: ua-cam.com/video/PvjdgjCORfE/v-deo.html
Great video Judy and great interview. I have a question. What about eggs? I just made myself a meal of ground beef cooked in butter with 5 scrambled eggs. That probably comes out to 2.5 grams of carbs so its obviously triggering the randle cycle? Surely eggs are a viable part of a carnivore diet? And what is you love eggs and eat 12 eggs in one sitting, thats 6 grams of carbs.
@@XXXmar123 2.5 grams isnt a significant amount. eggs are fine. the randle cycle is an issue if theres alot of carbs mixed with fat.
i just finished medical school and ive never once heard about the Randle cycle.. what a shame, seems like quite an important piece of biochem to learn.
What kind of doc there Tommy? Are you familiar with The Flexner Report? Your industry is designed to TREAT (pill$) us and not help us prevent illness. Facts. Most general docs are simply foot soldiers used to generate sales of drugs. Sorry but it is true. You are note even allowed to go off script- or add your opinion. Yours is to write RX's, period. You might give some lip service here and there about this or that, but your clinic, hospital, etc., will not tolerate a free thinker who wants to prevent. Yours is to TREAT. Now if you are a surgeon, or ER Doc, you can mostly disregard- but general docs are sales people who wear a white coat of credibility. Sadly, people trust you and their trust is betrayed. I'm sure you know all about polypharmacy- the dream goal of most docs. Get that Hawaii trip! You are new so you are not cynical yet- but you will see. Remember your oath- DO NO HARM. Most docs do harm daily. I know many. Many have switched over to integrative medicine and told me they are much happier now. They sleep better. I hope you turn out to be a good one, but I doubt it.
Well if you want customers, there’s gotta be sick clients.
@@emh8861 Very true. Have you yet read The Flexner Report circa 1910? Funded by deep pockets (Carnegie and Rockefeller), the infamous Flexner an educator, recommended to the health authorities they adopt a TREATMENT model and reject a prevention model. He, Abraham Flexner calculated it would make a lot more profit (making people truly sick, then treating them with meds.) It is disgusting and is the cause for 480k additional deaths every year in the US (relative to other countries in the study), said a doctor who retired and put that stat in his book. The model is very much still used today. This is why docs will never talk to you about diet and exercise. It is a conflict of interest. In fact, unless they are a functional doc, they are not even allowed to breach the subject at risk of losing privilege's in hospital, licenses from state and loss of liability insurance coverage for recommending "unapproved TREATMENTS."
The game is rigged. I know doctors who tell me they lose sleep because they know they do harm every single day with their little RX pads. Many got into it for the right reasons but soon found themselves invested in a career and trapped by a system- no way out. They go along to get along. These are intelligent folks too- it eats them up inside. Some pivot to the less profitable functional medicine side. The catch is, the system will not allow insurance to pay for function medicine visits most of the time. I recently tried.
It is all very intentional. Look no further than school lunch (SUGAR) programs. Then they mention diabetes is on the rise. Of course it is but good news, they have very expensive treatments for that! Their goal is to get you on polypharmacy- 5 or more drugs at a time.
The healthcare industry works in lock step with the 1.5 TRILLION dollar processed food industry. They are very dependent on each other. "They need you as sick as legally possible. "General docs use their White Coat Credibility to trick people into becoming drug addicts. It is that simple. Even some educated people fall for it. I know nutrition and I do not fall for it- ever. Ironically, even many docs themselves are in terrible shape. They often ask me for tips. My BI is a low 21, by BP is 102/75. I have less of an issue with ER docs and Surgeons but general docs are foot soldiers and drug sales people, plain and simple and everyone is starting to finally see this.
Cheers!
Probably because there's another side to the story.
And not why people think doctors are drug pushing murderers?
This should be standard textbook knowledge for all dieticians, nutritionists and even medical doctors. The fact that it isn’t, is the reason why society is getting sicker and sicker every year.
Considering My sweaty unwashed hairy taint after a 5 mile run has more business discussing nutrition than this lady its fitting she made another pointless video. A channel comprised ofexclusively videos of paint drying would be more interesting. Welcome to Paint drying with judy. This is judy
That would be admitting faults and incompetence by all medical institutions over all these years. Wouldn't be a good look. Not likely to happen.
I go to a low carb Dr they didn’t know the Randal cycle go figure
People are not taught what will help the general public, they are taught what helps the pharmaceutical/healthcare system. Sorry for the cynisism.
@@trinode8646 don't apologize. Cynicism toward our sick society shows that you care enough to want things to change.
I love Doctors Chaffee, Baker and Berry but Professor Kay is at another level
You may like to add Dr Paul Mason to that list.👍
I’ve not seen him. I’ll take a look.
'another level' ? You're not wrong!
I’m glad you mentioned it. Professor Kay is so clinical!!
And professor Ben Bikman
Oh not to forget dr Paul Mason too
I’m a clinical nutritionist - studied nutritional medicine at a natural therapy, but the wake up to carnivore has been incredible thanks predominantly to Judy. Also never heard of the Randle cycle and am a new fan of Bart Kay. Loved it - thanks for your amazing educational videos Judy.
What did you learn getting your degree compared to now?
@@cockroachvI'll answer. The small number of nutritionists learned through personal experience that their education has no scientific basis and is a pile of vegetarian activist dogma. Good to some of them wake up and become "low carb" nutritionists.
Awesome to see Bart on the show! Thanks for the amazing work Judy!
Very welcome! Bart is always a pleasure!
Sorry Dr. Bart but nothing is a slam dunk. If you can not question something knowledge can become dogma.
@@NutritionwithJudy would love to see a simplification diagram or visual so that a lot of others that Are suffering from diet related brain fog can "catch this concept" and make the needed changes.
I get such great results with a carnivore diet. My sleep is better, I drop belly fat that doesn't budge on keto, and hunger is under control without effort. My skin glows. too. This interview was fascinating!
Skin is the best one for me. I no longer fear sun burns and being outdoors without fear is so liberating.
We are comprised of flesh NOT plant matter. Of course our body can better assimilate a meal of flesh rather than plant matter. An egg is a self-contained microcosm with every nutrient necessary to develop a live, completely functioning chicken. That fact alone supports eggs as a superfood.
@ozzieabroad2 grams of salt in 1 litre of water per day. Protein untill your are full with not more of 50 percent fat is you are thin. Less fat if you want to lose weight. Dr Roberts cywes can help you.
Technically you're still keto. Just keto without any plant foods.
Awesome interview! So informative. I’m carnivore almost 4 years. Meat is so healing. Thank you Judy and Bart!
At least he behaves off his channel, lol.
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This is such informative information! I believe I caused my body a lot of confusion by reading bites of carbs/sugar the 2nd half of my carnivore journey I started in 2020. Also I went from vegetarian overnight. I did it all wrong. I'm now doing only BBB to try and repair the damage. I was just diagnosed with Graves disease and Fatty liver. I'm a perfect example of how mixing the two doesn't work. Ihaven't met with the endocrinologist yet nor gotten my ultrasounds for my liver or thyroid but I'm not going to go on any meds. I'm 66 yo and can't spare to lose any weight. So I'm ramping up my meat and butter intake as well as I can handle.
Thank you so much for sharing your expertise, Bart Kay!! And thank you, Judy, for sharing all of your knowledge over the years. ❤ You convinced me to take the leap; unfortunately I failed executing it correctly. Starting carnivore over after 29 months of a poor attempt. I'm going to get my body into alignment yet! 😊
Get some liver in there. The choline helps fatty liver a LOT. Google "choline fatty liver disease" and you'll find lots of info.
Thank you so much for this post. You are answering questions on such a deeper level. Addiction is not a excuse to fall off the wagon. My "why" just got so much stronger.
Hi Judy, you are a great host! Patient, thoughtful and present great sincerity.
Thank you Judy for this interview with Bart, I listened to it twice and enjoyed reading the comments also.
SO GOOD!!! Thanks, Judy, for your lovely, exuberant, gracious self! You’re a joy to listen to!
Awesome having Bart. Great talk, great info, thank you Judy 💕
This was a great conversation! Thank you judy to bring Bart to the channel, this was really great content to watch!
Thank you for that video. I’ve been following Dr Kay for a few months now and have watched his lecture on the Randle cycle. It’s nice to watch his explanation again.
AND, i forgot to add, the questions that you ask are perfect. Another AND, your summaries are so helpful. Dr. Kay is very knowledgeable BUT sometimes a little hard to follow. You make it all come together. Love your videos!
Thank you Judy for hosting Bart again. Packed full of important information. I really appreciate this side of Bart. Imposing intellect, yet obviously cares about people avoiding the health consequences of our current ways of eating.
The guy is a psychopath lol 😂🤡
@@insertmyidentityhereyeah he's got some cluster b tendencies.
Judy you have contributed significantly to me and my families health thank you
I’m fully prepared to play this on repeat and quite looking forward to it. BRB - gotta grab my notepad. 🙌🏻💪🏻
I feel like the discussions go all over the place.
- When I listened to the interview with Kiran Krishnan, I felt a sense of awe, deep nuance, and hope-giving. Awe in the complexity of the microbiome, of the nuances of our symbiosis, and hope in true healing.
- When I listened to the interview with Bill Schindler, I felt nuance. Nuance brought to the certainties, reflecting the complexity of human evolution, and the incredibly smart technological adaptations that allowed us to survive. Again, I felt it gave hope.
- When I listened to the interview with Bart Kay, I felt fear. I do not doubt all of it is true, and the Randle cycle probably deserves more publicity. Still, it feels extremely zoomed-in on the cellular level. The message “YOU-WILL-PAY” feels completely deprived of nuance, to the benefit of fear.
What happened to the messages brought by the two former guests?
The facts are the facts. Nothing strong with strict carnivore, in my experience.
I loved this comment, and find it very perceptive. I agree - Kay is very fear mongering, and he has some strong views, and he is showing you parts of metabolic pathways. Nothing he says is false, however there are many more nuances. i.e I have eaten high fat and high carbohydrate my entire adult life, never gained weight, have good labs, no diabetes, etc. I am not arguing that a carnivore diet is not good, or for anything. Just, that I observe for myself and some other people , that it is not an either or situation. We are always burning both fat and glucose as he admits. We always are making some glucose. When it becomes excessive - this is a problem. The Randle cycle does exist, but the real driver is the oxidative phosphorylation , which he doesn't go into. If we are metabolically healthy, i.e the mitochondria are functioning well - it will allow the energy from both of these cycles to be processed and there will be no 'backlog'. He is not showing you all the other things that affect this pathways. So - it is not that it isn't true, but rather that metabolism is so much more complex, and when you take one pathway out of the entire system - that is not how things work in real life. Follow your gut - don't be led by fear mongering.
@jeannedigennaro6484 how are you, 2 years after your comment?
Judy - This was a terrific discussion. Love the frankness! So refreshing.
Always a joy & gift to receive your videos! Thank you !!
Thank you!
Great interview. You are an excellent host and Bart has an extensive knowledge of many finer points of physiology
Wow 🤩 wow I needed to hear this today!
Thank you so much Judy! This man is awesome! Love it!
I’m a mission to change my friends and family’s mind!!
Bart's very entertaining + informative. It's a great duo.
That's the best nutrition presentation I've seen and explains so much. Thank you very much Judy and Bart. You've put me firmly on the correct path.
or you're being tricked.
That was awesome. Have just subscribed to your channel. Between the two of you that was perhaps the best explanation I have heard Bart make on the Randall Cycle. Thanks
Great interview...so much packed in there I'll need to re-watch to get it all.
Thank you for the interview! The Randle Cycle was very well explained!
I’ve been strict carnivore for 18 months. I experimented with adding some sweet potato and honey. Did it for about a month. I noticed ZERO difference in terms of how I felt, gym performance, etc, so I stopped and dropped them from the diet.
Did you have a hard time sleeping when starting carnivore? Did your eyes get dark and puffy, headaches, no sleep, no energy for awhile? I tried carnivore but my symptoms kept getting worse over the month and had to add some carb foods that have electrolytes in them to get better.
@@vanessap8717 no. I didn’t have any issues, but since my original post, I modified my diet a bit. I have added a lot more fat in the form of avocados and butter. I’ve also added a little bit of broccoli and cauliflower. I also will have about 75 g of blackberries every day. I’ve also significantly cut my protein. I basically cut my protein in half and doubled my fat. I noticed when I was strict carnivore my sugars tended to be high. Not super high, but higher than I would expect from not taking in any carbs. my theory is that all the protein was being converted to sugar through gluconeogenesis.
Since modifying my diet, my sugars are much more stable. My ketone levels are also higher. I’ve actually built muscle and gotten stronger despite cutting the protein in half. I’m not convinced that protein is ass important as everybody makes it out to be. I think that fat may be more important for overall health and even muscle growth.
Yet, you were activating the randle cycle during those moments which is still not good. You might have felt fine but its not like you can "feel" this chemical process inside.
@@MElixirDNB I mean, I don’t know to any significant degree. I was having one small sweet potato and a tablespoon of honey. This is maybe 20 to 25 g of net carbs.
@@keywestfan2503 May I ask you, how many times you eat on daily basis and how much protein.
I've been on keto for 25 months, I lost weight but also lost a lot of muscles, especially in my buttock area and it's been 12 months that I really struggle to regain in that area, also after dinner I feel super weak, by the way nowadays I stick with 18/6 intermittent fasting, very little carbs.
I forgot to mention, after I started two years ago, sometimes I was doing some cheating because I used to eat sweets especially chocolate.
Many thanks in advance for sharing your experience,🙏🙏🙏.
Thank you for bringing this topic to our attention, it is of immense value.
Thank you Judy, great interview. And thank you for leaving each of the slides up while Bart discussed the various components of the metabolic cycles - they were helpful to follow along with his discussion.
Judy, this is an excellent video and full of information. I learn so much from you. Well done!
Wonderful! Thank you Judy and Bart!
Thank you Judy for a highly enlightening interview 😊
I just got your book in the mail! I love it. Thank you for all that you do!
Judy Rocks! Great interview- Bart is the man. He keeps it real and I like how he is very clear. He must have been a great teacher- still is.
Amazing conversation. Thank you both.
It's great to know why the cells refuse glucose, resulting in hyperglycemia. This was not taught at my med school or learned at Metabolic Syndrome conferences (I attended four) through my years of primary care practice.
This explains why the endothelium gets damaged and opens the door for atherosclerosis...
The body can't hold an infinite amount of glucose people use carbs wrong
Wonderful interview. Just found your channel & subscribed. This is cutting edge nutritional information, easy to "digest". Thanks.
What a great interview!!!! Thank you so much for the clearest explanation of our bodies mechanism regarding sugar and fat.❤
Judy, thank you for interviewing Bart Kay on this topic! ....looks like i need a Bart-ized diagram showing how 1 teaspoon of buckwheat honey & 3 teaspoons of cream in my coffee flows down to stick to my thighs, LOL...
....it's been my only carb treat all Winter, so pretty soon I'll be switching to ACV & lemon hot tea for Spring & Summer.
Thank you both!
just great, looking into years of research (Ph.D.) I have concluded that fat vs sugar is the problem, one is the starch diet vs carnivore which both gives some solution and now I find the Randle Cycle (haven't learned in Vet School)
Thank you Judy for a great discussion, incredibly educational
Hey Judy, just subscribed, really need to dig more into you work. You really are great. Thanks so much.
I wish we could dig deeper into Bart's confidence in the belief that the Randle Cycle is the cause of everything, from insulin resistance to the deadly diseases. To me the randle cycle doesn't make sense completely, at least with such simplified explanation. So we fall victim to the randle cycle when we have too much carb, too much fat, or too much of both carb & fat? Does it only apply if there's energy surplus? What if you mix carb and fat but don't exceed your energy expenditure and the cells have room for more substrates? It just sounds like the Randle cycle means the cells can use both glucose and fat, and when it's full of substrates, it doesn't let more in. That doesn't quite explain what Bart keeps repeating "there's zero room for carb and you'll pay the price for it". Sure, the anthropological history and the isotop analysis tell us that we're mainly meat eaters, but I still haven't heard the real reason for why carb will harm us.
Also Bart always points out others' view as "reductionist" but he always points all issues to the Randle cycle and never mentions topics such as linoleic acid & PUFAs, how refined sugar and refined oils can harm you (in scientific details), and how eating more than 1 meal a day (which he suggests is the only right thing to do) is harmful to you, etc. I also wish he makes some effort to interview the people he disagrees with, like Paul Saladino.
One thing for sure is that we need more discussions around the Randle cycle and what it does and doesn't cover on the topics of metabolic syndrome, insulin resistance, and deadly diseases.
Thank you! These are my thoughts also, but you just said it much better!!!
Exactly well said . Zero carbs sounds too extreme , why about people in the tropics or in islands with coconuts and pineapples ? plus once the body starts making its own glucose wouldn’t that on itself be creating a randle cycle too while I’m eating protein / fats ? These topics need more discussion and I appreciate Judy for bringing such topic on her show .
@@TaVo78 this is my issue with this “science” business and entertainment industry.
The research is usually on northerners and we in the tropics are left with science that doesn’t apply to us.
The next thing is that these people need money to survive. Meaning they have never lived from the natural environment on their own. Their food comes from supermarkets, they don’t know their food. They do not hunt, plant, forage, raise their food but yet they want to tell us how food and human beings works?
@@TaVo78 exactly my point! Apart from people in tropics eating high fat and high carb, there is also an example of France where people remained slim by eating lots of carbs and fat .May be the topic of which fat? should enter at this point of the discussion
I agree, but Paul Saladino won't interview him :(
Thanks for having Bart on your show! Also, thanks for saying that we don’t need to eat animal innards! I’m tired of trying to eat liver! I really, really dislike it!!
I'm pretty good with beef heart, but I suddenly don't care for liver as I did when I was younger. Some need I had for it must have ended.
I’ve never had such a validating and reassuring feeling than the one I got from this conversation and being carnivore. Thank you Prof Bart and Judy!
Thanks to Bart, I have finally got the answer to my electrolyte problem which was resulting in a crushing and tightness feeling in my chest. I was eating less protein!! Thank you so much🙏
Great video Judy & Bart! One more thing about fruit and the tropics... in nature, its also seasonal there too! Only because of farming they have fruit year round.
Great point!
" fruit and the tropics... in nature, its also seasonal there too! "
What you're missing is
* Seasons are limited in the tropics. There's no winter.
* All fruit trees have a yearly cycle. I period of weeks where they grow fruit. But the trees have different times of year when they produce. With thousands of varieties, there's always fruit available.
Thanks so much for this Judy, I adore Bart Kay and I love you both for explaining this in simple terms for laymen like me ❤️🔥🥩
Well, I've been studying nutrition with all the top podcasters including Judy and Bart for 6 years - thousands of hours' worth - and thought I knew more than enough. But this taught me exactly what I didn't know in order to eliminate and illuminate a couple of dark corners. Thanks for the ONLY clear explanation of the chemistry with a decent diagram. Bart isn't afraid of being pedantic, and that's exactly what's needed when it comes to this subject.
the explanation of the randle cycle was so well presented I believe I have some understanding of it. ❤❤❤❤❤ Bart Kay👍👍👍👍👍👍
By far,the best explanation of the Randle Cycle I have ever seen!Vegans love throwing out their 'indisputable ' factoid bombs like fat causes insulin resistance or fat raises triglycerides while ignoring the carb/fat relationships and CoA levels if the Randle Cycle.
The Randle cycle is just the feedback mechanism by which the cells stop taking up fat and glucose...it doesn't inherently imply metabolic problems. If you eat fat and carbs at the same time, but only as much as your cells can take up, then there is no leftover fat or carbs in the blood, no insulin resistance, and no adipose fat accumulation. Overconsumption of energy, whether it's from fat or carbs, is what leads to adipose fat accumulation.
Fat provides satiety signaling far better than carbs, which is why it's really difficult to overeat without carbs in the diet. Processed carbs provide almost no satiety signal, and therefore lead to overconsumption of energy, insulin resistance, and accumulation of adipose fat, but even that in itself is not necessarily a big problem (sumo wrestlers are quite healthy despite their adipose fat).
The real problem is fructose and the toxic byproducts of fructose metabolism that lead to NAFLD. Secondarily, you have to consume some level of plant toxins along with any exogenous carbs, which taxes the liver, the intestines, and other parts of the body.
There are plenty of reasons to steer clear of carbs, but I really doubt that glucose from starch is the enemy it's being made out to be. I'd have to side with Saladino on that one, but he's obviously horribly mistaken about eating fruit/honey or needing carbs...carnivore is still the obvious human diet of choice.
Great comment but I'd add this.
Glycation. Any excess glucose above and beyond that provided by gluconeogenesis is toxic. There is no indication that this is downregulated upon consumption and therefore is detrimental. As you said, if energy stores of glycogen a depleted, insulin will store extra glucose away very effectively. But when our stores are replete the glycation(AGEs) begin. For most people this is all day long!
I was wondering about the same thing. If our consumption of carbs and fats at the same time is low (lower than the energy we need) why would our body use a mechanism which is blocking the usage of those fuels and keep/store them in the form of higher glucose and fat outside of cells? I might be wrong but just intuitively it doesn't make sense. The Randle cycle as the feedback mechanism makes sense for overconsumption of carbs and fats.
@@newestcentipede5148 when is our demand for glucose higher than our production?
On average Sumo wrestlers die between 55 and 65. So not exactly healthy really. Yes tho the key problem is satiety, grelin hormone suppression encourages gorging. Saw one of those competition eaters once stuff himself in a steak eating contest then when he was at his limit he ordered a massive desert. After downing that suddenly he could go again all out on the fat and protein. Apparently all competitive eaters know this trick.
@@garyfinch1840 For the glucose alone that is probably rarely the case (severe starvation?), but for the energy overall from both glucose and fat we can easily be deficient. Why wouldn't in that case our body use both sources without any restriction at the same time?
You ask all the right questions, thank you
Thank you so much prof Bart , I understand randle cycle now perfectly , it was very clear
Explanation 🤗🤗
Been a little while since I heard from Bart . Wow I really picked up a lot from this one . Thanks for this talk Judy . I had bad palpitations on carnivore . I thought I was eating enough protein and in the correct ratios . So I think we all have that unique balance that works for our diets . I feel so good eating animal foods and would love to make it work 100% ...
So if you’ve been having palpitations, have you just started eating more veggies and such?
Try making a mineral mix for your water
Palpitations could be from your electrolytes being out of balance. Possibly a potassium situation. You should be able to get all the potassium you need from a good carnivore diet, but some people start adding too much extra electrolytes and throw things off. Some do need extra when first transitioning to a carnivore diet, but not long term.
My slightly customized snake juice recipe for 1 gallon. Distilled water, 2 tsp potassium chloride, 2 teaspoon sodium chloride (salt), 1 scoop (400 mg) magnesium glycinate and ACV to taste
Thank you Judy and Bart!! I needed the reinforcement from the 2 of you today. Started using Lumen a few weeks ago and up until then I was carnivore only. I have pre diabetes high glucose levels and DONT want to continue this bad path I’ve been on for 40 years. Lumen is pushing carbs in the meal plan they have for me and my glucose level is not as low as it was on carnivore. So thanks again for giving me a boost to follow carnivore diet w/o carb or sugar interference!!
It isn't saying to not eat them, just to not eat them together
@@bart-kay if you eat something under 5gr carbs tolerated by the body would that activate the randle cycle ? I occasionally have a tiny dark chocolate and coconut treat but keep it under 5gr.
@@bart-kay Oh shit i fucked up, had carbs yesterday and then ate fat this morning
"my glucose level is not as low as it was on carnivore."
It doesn't need to be. You don't need to avoid carbs. In fact, it's reckless to do so.
I had come to this theory by watching thousands of video on UA-cam. Now I know why. Great presentation.
OMG once again Judy you have saved my life. Thank you
Great info. Inspired me to cut dark chocolate, berries and everything but meat. The 1st two days I didn't feel so good, but a week later, I'm feeling very good and I've been loosing weight again (I'm 5'-3" and 195 lbs down from 220 lbs doing keto-carnivore)... I'm going to keep going stricter on the carnivore side.
I started this about a week ago, so made the change, and just wrapped up the video, so it was nice feeling the positive effects and being able to post a comment after trying it.
You posted about three weeks ago. Have the improvements kept coming? Curious. I’m nudging myself toward a stricter carnivory, but god I love coffee with cream…
Awesome interview and awesome questions!
Great interview! Very clear. Thanks!
What a great episode Judy....Bart is intensely smart imo and the two of you are a pleasure to listen to. I do have a question I have a friend that has diverticulosis and she tells me that beef of all kinds gives her tummy pain. What are possible reasons for that ?
There can be so many reasons. I'd have her consider other ruminant meats like lamb. I'd have her also take stock of her supplements, meds and what/when she's eating and when the pains come up. Logging all of these, will help identify what may be the issue. She may also need some type of gut support in the beginning. It can also be transition... so many things.
@@NutritionwithJudy thank you very very much for taking the time to reply to my question. That really means alot ❤️....you have been instrumental in helping me with ulcerative colitis and ending a year long flare with carnivore. Thank you for all you do.
Point for Judy about the berries LOL. Great interview!!
thanks Bart/Judy for clarifying (I got caught up in Dr. P's story with some unpleasant outcomes .. I am back on the right track now)
Thank you for an amazing interview
Oh wow this was amazing info! We can get an insulin spike by eating enough protein and we need insulin spikes to fully absorb our electrolytes. What an amazing insight! I wasn’t getting the electrolyte puzzle piece before. Thank you for this
Yes, it makes sense. Gabrielle Lyon. also suggests getting at least 50 grams of protein at the first meal of the day.
Too much protein = sugar = stored fat
Yeah that is an aha moment for me
Extremes that sound scary are not in line with the flow of nature. There are zones that grow one fruit or another year around. It is hard to believe that nature creates such fruits for nothing, and made us love them for nothing. There must be a middle way. I don't know what it is, but this is too extreme in the face of what reality provides at least in warm climates. I personally eat pure carnivore in the winter, and occasional fruit in the summer in an English climate.
i hear you’d but i’d like to see empirical data supporting this argument
and i say that as someone that enjoys watermelon and pineapple
Humans evolved in savannahs. Yes, there are tropical bioms in Africa, and modern tribes consume plants. There are certain wild populations who consume 60% plant based diet and stay healthy and fit to their old age. But they live in nature, no chemicals, only foods they are accustomed to for generations.
Look at these diabetics, they can live for 50 years after being diagnosed. Bodies are resilient, certain damage can be taken.
The reason plants make you like fruit is not because it's healthy, it's free energy lying around. Also monkeys eat fruit, ancestors calling? 🤔
This video cleared my confusion so much. Thank you.
Very Exquisite interview, it was so easy for me to follow
I love how you are not afraid to question this popular eat meat and honey diet for (mostly) young men.
Meat-only carnivore saved my life. I'm willing to challenge narratives to find root cause for all of us (and the best diet answer will be different for everyone)
YOU NEED TO DO A PODCAST WITH BART & PAUL SALADINO!!!! That would be an awesome debate that the entire carnivore community would attend👌🏻 Maybe add Shawn Baker as well 👏🏻
Yes, yes, that would be so useful.
Nah. Not me. Information gets trampled over and lost during debates. I'd much rather hear an in-depth, calm lecture.
But they all live in the same Meato echo chamber spreading dangerous extremist nutrition advice which is slowly killing people.
Paul Saladino don’t live in the real world
Not a debate, but a friendly discussion. yes. I agree.
What a great presentation and discussion, thanks! Very helpful in my transition to carnivore.
I would love to hear the Prof comment on fish and seafood. I once heard our ancestors often moved along coastlines, evidence has been found of eating small shellfish in fire pit remnants. I understand shrimp, for example, are high in cholesterol, so i imagine occasional consumption is acceptable as a carnivore.
great show , bart has knowledge that is a blessing for every listener and i liked judy s comments on mongolian background.
I love Professor Bart! He is brilliant and consistent in his science based message. Very entertaining too. :)
I used to go to the gym 5 times a week for 2 hours. A lot of work, and I gained some muscle but not too much.
Today, a few years later, I go to the gym maybe once a week, sometimes twice for an hour.
I have lean muscles with almost zero effort. That is what a meat diet does.
Effect on the body is amazing. Autoimmune disease improved after 6 weeks on carnivore diet.
My energy level is way better on carnivore, better mood, can’t wait to get up in the morning.
The only challenge … I love veggies, I love cake and ice cream and red wine. It’s hard sometimes. But the reward is worth it.
I love your questions, you're a great interviewer!
Great interview with good information and very clear explanation,,well done bart kay
This was really good. It also confirms what Paleomedicina teach (higher fat than protein) and how any kind of plants (fruits, veg etc.) are not necessary and can be contraindicative. Its funny reading the comments and seeing how many people seem to be addicted to their carbs and not wanting to accept the truth. I personally think Bart is great and I am all about seeking out the truth, even if that means I have to "sacrifice" carbs (which really is no sacrifice at all given the health I have gained)
Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing I've noticed about people who go carnivore. They try to eat meat (leave the fat in the pan) and wonder why they feel terrible. Then you suggest for them to eat sticks of butter and it blows their mind away. YOU NEED FAT PEOPLE if you are going to replace a source of energy like carbs. Otherwise, the body will go after the protein and muscle and that's a very difficult on the body.
I agree. Knowing the truth, or the facts, is the goal. Then the individual can choose what path they wish to follow.
It is funny thinking back a few years, when Paul was 100% hard core carnivore and Bart was by his own admission constantly caving in to pizza and beer. It is like we are all on the Flounder Diet, where we all flounder around until something works or we give up (except of course Dr. Ribeye Baker!)
I think this is why I accept Carnivore as a therapeutic elimination and healing diet but I don't accept it as the ideal sustainable diet for longevity and athletic performance for the majority of humans.
@@igloozoo3771 it’s great long term.
As I tell my clients, I love meat-only as an elimination diet to find a new baseline of health. Once you are there and healing, you can figure out what and if you will bring back some plant-based foods. But I think less sugary plant-based foods should be added first. Where you end up is ultimately up to your individual and lifestyle needs.
If someone is metabolically healthy...they should be able to have cake with their kids on their birthday. They should be able to go to Vegas and chow down on Buffets for a week and then return to a more cleaner diet. We just need to be very careful that the Carnivores don't turn into the Dogma Food Police...you know like those annoying Vegans.
If you have extreme sugar cravings, it just means your body hasn't fully adapted to a carnivore diet. So you shouldn't go straight into a carnivore diet. Start with some whole food carbs in small-moderate portions with the fatty meat, then slowly reduce the amount of carbs until you become full carnivore. It shouldn't be this hard! If it's hard, it's likely you're doing something wrong.
Great video - thanks Judy and Bart
This was huge! Thanks. Clarity.
Looking forward to your whatever is your next video where you return to interviewing guests who lean toward reason as opposed to officious certainty.
Always sharing many points of view. Not everyone likes every single guest and that's okay. Choose what speaks to you and take what you learn.
Have shared this vital information to every carnivore group I belong to. Thank you!
Great chat and tips.
Yes you can over consume meat/beef. I do. Dr. Pradip Jamnadas delineates what I do as an addiction to food. My only other foods are cruciferous vegetables, lotsa salt, lotsa apple cider vinegar. This video presentation is so full of important information and explanations. Thank you.
Randle Cycle is a red herring. Westerners were nearly all lean mixing carbs and fat prior to 1970. Something else changed.
I think the types of fat matters aswell though, nowdays people eat PUFA vegetable butter, apparently polyunsaturated fatty acids activate the randles cycle longer than regular saturated fats. But nowdays, all animals are fed high PUFA diets (corn and soybeans) which accumulates in their fatty tissue, so when we eat them, we activate the randles cycle a lot.
This is why I don't eat animal fat anymore.
I really don't consider carnivore an elimination diet. I consider it a fundamental diet. Add other things to meat when you like, just know each thing you add come with possible consequences and decide if you are willing to pay that possible price. "Elimination diet' pushes people away.
The two issues I love to keep studying are fiber and frequency of eating.
So far, I am not convinced we need any fiber, but we can certainly eat some. I do wonder if fermenting fiber in the colon is causing colon issues that we see happening a lot more these days. Of course, there are many other poor 'foods' that can be doing this too, so it may not be just fiber, thus the need to keep studying this.
The other thing is the frequency of eating. I believe at this point that every time we eat and start additional processes in the body, which can lead to the possibility of issue with cells becoming damaged and/or the immune system causing issues. So, whatever we eat, it benefits us greatly to eat infrequently, or with a good length of time between meals to allow the body to not overwork and to be able to clean up. This is the meat ( pun intended ) of the argument for me with carbs or not. I do not want to eat carbs if they are not necessary just because I don't want the triggering to be hungry again too soon, but that is a personal choice fueled by fixing diabetes. Wouldn't be as important likely if you weren't healing from something like diabetes.
We are indeed all different, but I think it is mostly different in mindset and where we are on the health spectrum. We all get to keep experimenting though and love to hear all different ideas and perspectives. Both Judy and Bart are great to listen to. Thank you both.
PS: I switched immediately, overnight, and yes, carb withdrawal was really, really bad..... Luckily I survived, but I don't recommend it.
I love how Bart Kay explains the Randle Cycle!
P:E Diet & Dr Ted Naiman’s approach makes the most sense to me. Prioritize quality protein, then titrate in & balance the healthy fats & carbs as needed.
So what I'm hearing is my donutivore diet isn't ideal. 😪
Polyol pathway coverts excess glucose to fructose, not the other way around. Also fructose does not use glut4 transporters for metabolism and thus is likely unaffected by the randle cycle. There is a huge difference between fructose and glucose metabolism that I feel is being overlooked in this discussion.
@@bart-kay so then, the problem isn’t fructose itself, it’s fructose in a caloric surplus. Like you said, dietary fats and carbs can induce the randle cycle in the setting of excess substrate, so in order to avoid it, it’s more important to avoid a caloric surplus rather than just singling out carbs. Seems like you’re overlooking the major mechanism here and just using one feature of the randle cycle to promote the low-carb argument. It’s this blatant disregard for nuance from some people that makes the low carb community look bad.
@@faimohkihfaimohkih8223 yeah that's a misguiding approach. isolating one element of biology and making it the end all be all
@@faimohkihfaimohkih8223 You’re incredibly dense and learned nothing from the video.
I need to watch again and take notes 🗒️
Amazing video! Great job!
Bart Kay no longer uses the terms insulin resistance or insulin sensitive. He refers to them as an "idea" or "theory." He does this because there is no actual way to scientifically measure either of those things.
Maasai consume quite a lot of carbohydrate and fat at the same time in the form of milk, and the Hadza really do consume, albeit seasonally, a staggering amount of honey. Both of these groups seem pretty healthy. Just an observation.
Randle cycle is applicable to individual cells. Says nothing about whether you’ll get persistently fat from mixing carbs + fat. Early century Americans at loads of bread and potatoes + butter but didn’t get fat.
He made it clear: he has no need to speak carefully by saying 'you might activate Randle Cycle'. His science clearly shows that 'you will activate it'.
Thank you for the content.
Thanks Judy great session