This is the only season where only AWC winning players were the ones to achieve glad 2 months into it, this has never happened before and Blizzard doing all those rating and mmr caps and shenanigans were the reason for it. I remember back in SL people (including me) used to get Glad week 1 if they were good enough, now we (multi glad players) are shitty Duelist players. I'm sorry I only PvP "for the fun of it" if I'm on the appropriate ranking
Honestly, I think the best way to build up the PVP community is to focus on battlegrounds and building up the casual base again and then they would leak into 3v3 and 2v2
@@wowwt Its a good take actually. Most people just want to play, and Random BGs is still HUGELY popular. The problem is people dont want to sweat to earn conquest. If you got 300 conq per bg win, arena would be dead over night. Blizzard are trying toooo hard to cater to a minor percentage of the player base.
You cant build this Game by giving alot of Ques or fixing mmr or any of that Stuff .. People dont play cause the Game and Class Designe is bad thats just the honest Truth!! Wotlk,Cata,Mop worked cause it felt so satisfying to press Spells,Abitliies and Stuff the feeling of Charging someone putting them in a full Shockwave or Thorwdown and then pop Recklessnes the Oldschool one and stomp them you cant compare that to Legion till Retail Today its just a differente World like Night and Day..
It's so obvious their current team just had PVP thrown at them with no clue how to handle it. The fact that they waited until 75% of SS players quit to fix the rating cap is insane. Now they have a 20 pt rating gain cap per blitz win too. They expect us to sit in 20 min queues at 1600 beating 2400 mmr teams for 19-20 rating and 58 conq.
@@williamromero6177 I'm a healer, but felt so bad for this warrior in my group who had sat in a 30 min queue just for our other healer to go to an inactive base in EOTS at the start. Even as a healer my queue times are 12-25 mins though.
@@palfotta Go play healer, 0 que time. So easy... problem is healer is most unfun thing to play in pvp and blizzard just refuse to do something about it.
Ah yes the inevitable "everybody is quitting pvp" to be closely followed by "why is everybody quitting" and to book end the trilogy with "how blizzard can fix pvp" then we start the ride all over again.
@@SYLXM I dont understand what this comment has to do with mine. You can easily go thru Venruki's back log of videos and see he has these posted throughout each patch cycle, my comment doesnt state a dislike or a like of the video itself it simply states a fact. Ill just assume the clown emoji was placed there as a place holder for this L you were going to inevitably hold.
@@aryelsilva5170 once again, like the person above, where is the hate? my original comment doesnt state that I neither like nor dislike the vid it just states a fact, as you point out yourself.
The reddit comment was right lmao. Venruki being in denial because he is part of the problem.This isn't an MMR thing. High ranked arena streamers and players just spent all time sucking eachother off and playing among themselves when the pvp playerbase is dwindling away slowly over the years instead of playing with beginners and fostering newcomers. And well cool, you are rank 1 for 15 years in a row against no competition except some other awc teams or streamers that have nothing else to do except queing arena all day. And now you can brag to your 100 viewers that you got all the glad mounts while completely ignoring that you help kill the very scene you try to make money off of.
I watched a frost dk streamer and he keeps flaming like crazy all stream long. Then i love to hear that hes isnt in a good place mentally, bitch stop going crazy over 1 mistake every time and youll be fine ! high ranked player base is toxic af. Im glad the pvp is dying.
@@matthewt1885 Exactly why does this guy expect more from the people competing and making video,/streaming. They're already doing their part, they're making content. "Nurture newcomers" as if the AWC players need to do coaching sessions and that'll fix everything lol. Placing blame anywhere outside of Blizzard and their ineptitude is just an L take.
@@matthewt1885 They dont care, I mean I dont care pvp dying. So in the end, what's next ? If you dont care yall playing the same few players every time, then fine, dont do shiat about it. Im glad its in the state and I hope, cause of that shitty ass mentality that it gets emptier and emptier by the day lol my petty ass gonna get updated on that FOR SURE !
@@s.r.1048 That has to be the most L take ever. Content ? Tf you mean "content" they serve you one tierlist every now and then and maybe one class guide per expansion. Outside of that they just serve you recycled stream clips with clickbait titles. Amazing. Also we arent talking about coaching sessions. Most people dont need coaching sessions, they need competent people to play with. The amount of people that give up on pvp because their only experience in non shuffle/blitz pvp is the toxicity and horrid level of lfg is something to take into consideration. That aint blizzards fault. That is 100% the players fault. They can't do more than give you a way to try and get teammates. And when you got a platform, skills, a long list of competent teammates and over 10 hours a day because you are a streamer, so basically unemployed, you can't complain that pvp is dieing, when all you do is play with the same people all day so you can namedrop them in your next video taken unedited from your stream. Especially if you are actively trying to make a living out of it. Because neither awc nor streaming nor content are going to get your far when it only appeals to 50 people.
What I find funny is that he won't call them out when he knows they're a problem. He has a big voice and a big platform, perhaps vennyboi is hiding the info of who it is due to he'd get called out as well. Rats hang out with rats after all.
@@CalculatorTI89 of course.. so many pros with small sized stream audiences, there's no way they are paying the bills with just the stream.. all those websites advertising boosts, who do you think does it.. not the 1800 players.. and there's only a handful of those top tier players nowadays like you said 100%
Only clue they have is to sell the wow tokens by millions. Why do you think ingame chat is hyper spammed with boost run advertising. They create toxic content with raid and dungeon mechanics where 1 player can wipe the group. This result not increased team spirit but anxiety and toxicity. And ppl are tough to loot addiction until you cant get anymore. Then you buy the tokens and join boost runs. Blizzard say token was needed to fight the 3rd party gold sellers. Guess what the boosters sell the gold on 3rd party websites cheaper and faster than tokens. Most of wow economy is run by 3rd party and token gold becouse professions are worthless doesnt matter if you make or buy stuff from ah there is no profit unless you have all gathering and producing professions on multiple chars.
Raids were super easy back in BFA, so Blizzard made raids really hard starting with Shadowlands, and people bailed. M+ was really easy back in Dragonflight, so Blizzard made M+ really hard starting with TWW, and people bailed. Blizzard's ultimate goal seems to be to drive people away from all content, and make the content accessible only to sweatlords.
Worst part about blitz is bad brackets, you gain nothing when you have to high rating but lose alot if you lose. This should not be possible in my opinion. I'll happily play with noobs but not at the cost of my rating with nothing to gain.
This is just a problem with MMR, even in chess the players face the same concerns with losing ranking to players who are definitely capanle of winming, but are lower ranked.
Dude, I'm in the same situation as you, I play with friends and we've already caught A LOT of gladiators together, but today, 2 months after starting the season, we're banging our heads against the wall at 1950 or 2000 rating. It doesn't make sense!
@@skedge1 1800-2100 in shuffle feels like a joke to me right now. Just because someone is on a glad mount doesn't mean they know how to play on that spec
Gate keeping is real, Even for you R1's half the spots are the same person on multiple Alts taking all the R1 where they have 2-3+ alts in the same and other classes.
Every spec (besides tanks) should have at least 10 R1 spots in shuffle. (This also is beneficial for people who play main specs, because fotm specs always have more spots) Such an easy improvement to implement
@@fogismaximus characaters on the same account cannot take up extra glad spots. The system just adds extra R1 spots if the same account has multiple characters at that rating.
Funniest part is when you face awc teams at 1600-1700. I still feel one of the biggest problem is cr gains with mmr. If you are playing 1000 mmr over your cr you should be getting big cr gains. I have seen people playing 1000 mmr higher and still get the same cr gains as if you were 100 mmr over. Getting 20 cr being 500-1000 mmr over your cr is the problem in my opinion.
@@Dgreatest32 yeah, i play yesterday in 1700, vs najh, 2 times, i been facing people getting out with his glad mounts... i face pikaboo 3 times in this xpac, i face glad people in all seasons, and they are on 1.6 / 1.7 / 1.8... that people have to be on his rating, not 1000mmr less
@@Dgreatest32 It's not often but, it does happen. Definitely have played against a handful of people with r1 titles. I get it people play alts. The definite reality is every match past 1700 is pretty much all 2400xp players riding glad mounts.
What, if anything, can be done about this? You know what changes are needed. We know what changes are needed. they know it. but they just will not do it. It's been ages since these issues have been crumbling the pvp community, yet nothing is being done. LFG groups have vanished, rank 1 and multi-glads are terrorizing lower rated players on their 10th alts. It just feels like the best answer is to quit honestly.
@Jsten16 It’s cool that you’re the exception but nobody is having fun except for you. I was playing around where you are about 3 weeks ago and all of my friends quit. Having to fight awc players to get our duelist weapons was the stopping point for the season. You can keep bootlicking though, you’re good at it.
this is very real, today I started the team as an alt (I'm mult-glad), and in the 1600 mmr I got several glads! Now imagine this for a pvp beginner? There's no sense of progression, the guy will just think he's shit and give up.
@Jsten16 The two scenarios here are 1. You have the best luck out of everyone that has played the game this season 2. You’re lying Really sounds like you’re an addict trying to rationalize playing this dumpster fire of a game.
No, just the sweatlords do. PVP will always be about asserting dominance on the other bastard, preferably in a 1v1 situation with equal gear and skill and in the most humiliating way possible, and Blizzard can't do anything to change that experience lest remove PVP entirely. The sweatlords and ratings chasers are what's wrong with PVP in this game and in every game that has PVP. I always hate it how the PVP experience in a newly released game is so fun until the sweatlords arrive and then it turns into a meta-chasing cringefest of tryharding and smurfing and the game starts getting balanced to cater not to the vast majority of players engaged in PVP, but to the 1% of players who are sweatlords and tryhards. So GOOD RIDDANCE, I say.
I said it since shadowlands and will say it again: the mmr and reward system in wow needs a complete rework asap. They're basically discouraging people, even hardcore pvpers, to a point rn where they're just quitting pvp or even the game itself... they know this since years, but won't make any changes. I have the feeling it's on purpose, cuz they can't be that dumb and incompetent. Just my theory and 2 cents.
@@camvalence I'm not sure what you mean as in successful? That system invites many boosters that literally destroy the ladder, Hearthstone is an exception because it isn't a team game. but for League of Legends every skilled player complains about the boosted players stuck in Diamond IV and have a much more enjoyable experience in Emerald I since those players are actually good.
it's not just "the best players" its "the best players *of all time*" because they're the only ones still playing. they just need to move away from MMR entirely and move to a ladder system like in league of legends. Master > diamond > plat > gold > silver > bronze. Should all be relative to your peers in that sense. The question would be what % of players should be getting glad per season roughly? Somewhere around top 10%
league also has mmr just doesnt show it and divisions works almost just like rating, what we need is rewards not to be attached so much to rating that depends external factors like player population/blizz random caps, we should have every season something like a pvp renown system that can be achieved by both casuals and hardcores, and probably let rating go up until AWC players fight themselves at 3k mmr and let most hardcore around 2400 so glad mounts are somewhat achievable, and prob more mount recolors for blitz and shuffle,
The only real difference between LoL's and WoW's rank system is that WoW has visual rating that tries to match your MMR rating. LoL does the same except instead of showing 1800 rating on your 2v2 interface it says you're Gold 3 or something. I prefer WoW's more abstract and 'true' rating than LoL's obscured system.
@@QPoily it's all relative to the player base tho where as wow's is not. That's they key If a R1 is 2200 one season and 3100 another season then that's an issue. In LoL that player would just be Master Tier. Which is how it should be
the game is really in such a great spot which cant be glossed over. We finally can sit in the city and queue what we want without pressure to do pve, reps, etc. Thats why this whole rating issue is that much more perplexing because it seems like such an easy thing to fix after all the hard work has been done to fix the more major problems of the past.
I bought some 16oz mtn dews, started submitting codes, was timed out for the final one because they have a limit on how many you can submit in a day. Next day my mnt dew account was suspended. It’s been a week and no reply from support. 🤣
Out of the top 20 characters in the US there are only 12 individual players. It averages out to around 30% of all characters in the top 100 are alts. This is a major issue.
@mil_ko6843 Other people don't want to fight bigdam on his 60th alt. It has nothing to do with them not wanting to learn. But I wouldn't expect a tiny brained Russian to understand that.
Agree with all of it. Complete rating overhaul is needed! Rewards need to be actually achievable by more casual players so more people want to play pvp. Tabards and titels for the best of the best. 'glad' mounts at 2100 throughout all brackets etc...
I super disagree with the take about rewards being the driver. Pvp has always been the game mode where people just play because they love the competition. What needs to change is the community's outlook towards flaming mistakes. All the gatekeepers pushed the newer, more casual players away with their toxicity and now they're all looking around complaining no one wants to play with them. Y'all did it to yourselves. You want activity to go up? Stop being so toxic when someone makes mistakes. None of us play perfect, without exception. Be more forgiving and you'll see the activity pick back up slowly over many months/years. And yes, ratings deflation should be corrected, but that's not the driver of why the pvp community is so small
I agree with this. I have devolved to having more fun in casual BGs with friends! The rewards seem more like a burden these days. I really feel that the competitive side of PvP could be helped by better rating and queuing systems. Looking for groups and getting rejected as a new or higher rank player has always left a bad taste in my mouth. It's hard to pick WoW PvP, sitting in a 20 min que for a short 3v3, over just playing another game that respects my time as a person more. I sink a ton of time in games, but the way I do it is different now and I don't feel respected by the current systems in my long beloved game WoW!
Nah thaths just partially true. The rating diff and not being able to get their rewards is def the core problem for 3s right now. And i was saying it back in DF already when it was literally the same issue. Not only do you have less participation bc most people give up before it has even started but the few left who try to progress will end up in huge toxicity just by nature as a result of this problem that creates this toxicity because people cant forgive mistakes because they can hardly climb and get anywhere near they want to be. It all snowballs. There were way more participation in PvP (3s) etc when PvE'ers needed to do PvP in order to get some gear from PvP. That was the case in some Xpac i remember at the start of SL for example. We need those PvE'ers back in PvP for a healthier PvP mmr. Idk how much Blizzard can do about the Rating/Mrr if theres not much participation but they definetly did some mistakes that lead to the current situation.
I was about to say that arena players aren't that toxic, but then I remember how plenty of arena streamers like to go full on trash talk mode about their teammates, especially in solo shuffle. Honestly, it feels like Solo Shuffle introduced more toxicity into WoW PvP than there was before. At least before the expectation of using voice was there and helped curb most of the little trash talkers from talking shit.
You sound like such a bitch, jesus christ man come on. Its a game why do you care so much somebody flames you for a mistake, thats the competitive spirit, even if they dont say it they think it anyway. ITS A GAME stop taking it so personal. Bitch.
Mythic + 😂😂😂😂 the fact they had to bring all that out just shows the games fucked. Back in the day it was heroic then mythic came out now u have have mythic +20 it's so fucking stupid the game needs a hard reset it's a total mess min/max shit used to be such a fun game. If u want a real mmorpg journey play classic so much better then retail shit
@@Imperyon you are being declined because you play an expendable role - dps. It’s the same with real life where if you have an unimportant role in your job and you don’t bring much to the table you are considered expendable.
@@nobodyspecial596 it’s actually not a total mess and mythic+ is a challenge that requires immense understanding of your class and the interactions between objects and activities in the game
@@neptune7426 Yeah but this is a game that I'm paying for, so the company that sells me the game should put in a lot of effort to make me believe that I'm not in the real world anymore.
Blizzaaard never understand this. We have +3K 3S xp RLD team, (I'm first time rog, Multi R1 Warrrior) we are sitting at 2.3cr rn, facing with only Multi R1 players, i mean full Multi R1 teams, not only 1 rank 1, 2 glad etc. This game is complately dead about pvp, no one can push. Meta is also stupid people abusing BloodDk+BmHunter+MistMonk. They didnt nerf BM, didnt nerf Frost Mage, didnt nerf Evoker sustain damage or mobility, didnt nerf mage, didnt nerf feral, didnt buff warrior, didnt buff enha defensive, didnt buff boomy defensive, didnt buff restro druid, didnt buff restro shaman, didnt buff dk, they overtune unh nerf need %5 buff minimum, they didnt buff dh, didnt buff fire mage, mmr is garbage people keep quiting. Absolutely terrible managing. Amazin bad manage again and again and again.
Just add rewards to each bracket as they did in Shadowlands. They had a good system in shadowlands... and it worked.. there was alot of pve players who wanted to get some achievements and tmogs from shadowlands pvp
"Team Building Fun" in 3v3 no longer exists.... People don't have friends anymore and we all want to play when we can. Solo shuffle needs to switch to 1 round and we will see SO MANY MORE PLAYERS. CHANGE SOLO SHUFFLE TO 1 ROUND ONLY! Bad RnG group? Too bad, it's over after one round and reque....
How it should of been from the beginning. But blizzards ego got in the way and they had to put their own spin on it rather than making it how tr had it
I've enjoyed blitz the most, because I can actually get the rewards. Every time I step into arena it's just a huge drag, knowing that if I want to get the top end rewards via arena, I'll literally have to be facing AWC teams/players. This is NOT how the system should be. Access to rewards brings in players! I think we're nearing the final nail in the coffin for casual PvPers transitioning into rated content. Blitz is a step in the right direction, but I'm worried they're going to cap MMR next season like every other mode and prevent players from getting the top end rewards. I'll stay optimistic, but Blizzards track record with PvP lately has not been good, so I'm not expecting much. Very sad.
The fact that healing never got adjusted in blitz is just a testament that the devs do not play PvP at all. The strongest strategy to win blitz is to either ignore the team fight entirely, or have a DK drag a healer away from the team fight.
I haven't played in many expansions. I notice that you make these videos every single expansion, multiple times every expansion. Let the game die. Activision/Blizz sold out. Quit the consistent cope and expect things to change. It's about time you guys move on and find a new game both for your mental health and future careers because expecting mmo's or WoW to hold any attention in the next decade is like expecting someone on hospice to get better. The genre is dying, the company is dying, and the literal playerbase itself is dying from age. Play a different game for once because milking this style comment to an ageing and angry WoW playerbase is sad af.
Agreed except for the MMORPG genre dying. FFXIV Dawntrail set company records for concurrent players since ARR launched in 2013. There has been nearly 3.8 million active daily and 14 million active monthly players over the past 30 days. Its imperfect but at least there's life. I also think there's something to be said that WoW Vanilla era is still populated after 5 years but people are already quitting War Within.
Its not that they're quitting... Ban's are also up 2000%. Been playing this game since OG TBC, and never had bans, but have received two bans (14 day, then 21 day) for things such as "Why are you in mid". People are abusing the report system and blizz won't appeal any of the tickets. 4 of my friends all have received bans in the past month for very minor chat offenses.
Also started to notice, i'm 1900-2000 on two shuffle characters, I wait 25 min for a que when I get in there's a 600 demo lock and a 947 CR healer or something and it completely skews the game. Either they're hard losing or a full smurf and either way you're usually going 3-3 or losing rating... can't even field an across the board 1900 cr shuff game
PvP Mount change idea here 1600 Yellow Mount 1800 Purple Mount 2000 Green Mount 2200 Red Mount 2400 Golden Mount Rank 1 title still 0.5% in 3v3 All mount colors can be earned in ANY Solo bracket, RBG’s, and 3v3…You can also earn all colors in 2v2 except 2400…Blizz needs to make a solid/cool looking mount every PvP season, and that will incentivize players to stick around to earn various colors of that mount… We all wanted that Rank 1 Red PvP mount from Dragon Flight S1 …As it stands now, I know I’ll NEVER get a gladiator mount… So I give up after reaching 1800 each season, and that’s one less person queuing in the ladder part of the season… As a boomer gamer dad and having a lot more gaming option now, having mounts I can farm for would keep me and other people motivated longer in each season for goals that are actually obtainable…Instead of just the top 0.5% of the player base
What they need to do is detach PvE and PvP class kits/specs, talents, and spells, and make healers heal less and being able only to sustain HP a little bit not to heal from 0% to 100% in seconds. Make a brand new class kit for each spec specifically for PvP and make it feel more like MOBA in BGs instead of Zerging.. There is just too much CC, and healers are also making PvP unfun. You almost kill someone 3 times but he is healed back up to full hp in seconds and then you die even though you would already defeat that person 3x if it wasn't for the healing. Each class and spec should have like 3-4 DPS spells, 1 defensive spell, 1 CC. Healers additionally 1 dispel, 1 single target heal, and maybe 1 HoT/AoE heal spell on longer cooldown. PvP using PvE class kits is just too advanced and too complicated for majority of players so PvP in WoW will never be popular as long as playing it is this hard. Classes in PvP need to be very simplistic. There is a reason why in PvP focused MMOs and MOBAs you only get a few spells.
Gladiator should be out of reach for most. And to be clear when he said back in the day arena was only the top .5% he was right but there were a ton of battlegroups it wasn't as hard to get as he is making it out to be.
@@snosan highly deppents on the battle group i guess they where not at all balanced so in some it would be easier to get than other simple of the fact that les top players are in them
The simple truth is this. Blizzard punishes people who just want to lfg and play 3v3. You have too many boxes to check to get into a group. Are you within 30-50 CR of the people you are signing up to play with? If not you probably won't get an invite because Blizzard punishes you if you play with someone lower CR(usually you won't get invited unless you are higher CR than the person you request to play with in LFG). If you play with someone lower CR, you will tank your rating even if you win more than you lose sometimes, hence people will not invite someone lower CR usually. Are you playing the right spec? Do you have enough XP? Just too many boxes to check. People (myself included) have given up on 3v3. I have decent XP(2.5CR in 3v3 / hero of horde in rbgs), but I've basically given up on 3v3 and RBGS because finding good team mates to invite me seems impossible... and I've spent HUNDREDS of hours in LFG. People won't invite me to play because I don't have a glad title somtimes, yet I go into solo shuffle and realize I'm higher rated than 99.6% of the population. So even if you have ok XP, it's still extremely hard to get into a group with 2 other players who are very good at the game... Yet I can go into shuffle and DOMINATE the ladders all the way up to almost rank 1 range... What do you think I'm going to spend my time doing?
Changing mmr around wont make new people play such a complex title with a community that has no desire to teach anyone anything. This game has the problem that fighting games do but has significantly more bullshit to do before even getting the meat of the game play you want to play and learn. Add in garbage queue times in a modern age where peoples attention are pulled in a million directions and its a wrap. No matter what blizzard does they wont draw back any meaningful population to stop the bleed.
if you spend even 10% of your "Playtime" in queues it raises question of wasting time. There are so many games where you press button and get into a match near instantly.
Here’s the thing with rating. 3s and 2s are dead in comparison to solo. Everyone thinks they want Blizz to “fix” rating, but if they make changes to address the rating it will spread the ready abysmal average of about 12-15k games per day across that much more of a spread. We end up right where we were in DF which was rank 1, streamers, glads all farming alts to stay at 1600-1700 and ruin peoples experience. All the problems actually get worse and pika is playing rogue for life in 1800 lobbies.
My "giving up" is timed to the rest of my current sub. ends this month, if they don't announce a massive MMR injection (like 500+ rating or something completely stupid in 3s) I am done with the expansion. Already got Elite, already got Grand Marshall, don't care about farming Strategist or Legend - Only glad. If Glad remains reserved for AWC players, I won't come back.
I mean its pretty bad atm, exclusively. Look how long BM hunters are just ruining the experience for others. Yet blizzard is so slow to react, its just left alone. Whatever manager, or system they use for "Balancing" Clearly needs to be more correctly addressed because this themetic happens every patch, every xpac, they need to stop being lazy
@@fullmetalscotsman1306 BM is just the current class with the outrageous issue. It changes per xpac/patch of course. But has no reason to last so long without being brought in line. Classes should have gives and takes. If you're a ranged class, who has the advantage of using ranged and Pets, (Melee and Range) With a mortal strike. While also having amazing mobility and surviability. Its a god class. Ontop of this, normally if a class like this existed, the trade off would need to be "extremely high skill cap to play" but of course, BM hunter is the lowest of the low in terms of mechanical skill.
it's so messed, I'm main healer this seasson to get faster queues, in shuffle I burn everycd, cc, play around pillar, trying to the the basics, and in 1600 people still insta die. EVERY TIME, it's insta die, and them people rage on me and all, but wtf 1600 people doing dmg like 2400, it feels super hard to play =-=
My problem is how wildly long it takes to get conquest compared to honor. You have to wait significantly longer to play, so you can earn significantly less currency... Blizzard does it to themselves. I remember reaching my conquest cap back in MoP on my monk in a few hours, after having a HUGE cap. You used to get so much conquest per win back then, it was awesome. Now I have to wait for shuffle to pop, win most matches and get like 100 and something conquest. It is crazy.
Blizzard has no incentive to make a mount for shuffle or anything else achievement wise for free anymore. Why would they make a mount just for player achievement, when they can sell one for $90? If anything, they have incentive to start charging you to buy the glad. mounts for $. Example: If you get glad, you unlock the ability to buy the mount now with money.
Honestly, they should just create a PvP realm or instances where you can only queue with one character of each spec, fully geared, no enchants or gems-just pure gameplay with cosmetics and pride rewards. Sure, Timmy might miss out on his big gear advantage to stomp PvE boys in non-rated BGs, but that’s okay. 😂 Why am I spending time healing damage dealers who seem clueless, facing the fifth Holy Paladin reroll of some rank one player at 1600, just to go 3-3 and gain absolutely zero points? Then getting trashtalked by those same damage dealers with gems like, “lol, 300 games and still 1600.” My MMR has been messed up since day one, when healers were hard-stuck at that rating and even rank ones were sitting at 1700-1800. It was totally broken. So, I swapped to playing damage dealer, and boom-hit 1800-1900 in a single day. Aside from the long queues, it was way easier to climb. That’s just the nature of arenas: as a healer, you face only one other healer, but as a damage dealer, you’re competing with three others. I regularly go 4-2 or 5-1 as a damage dealer, whereas as a healer, I’m doomed to 3-3. I can’t get past 2k without sweating it out, and I have a life-I don’t want to keep facing the 10th alt of some AWC champion at 1600 in shuffle. When I actually face people in my own league, I go 5-1 or 6-0. But then I go 3-3 or 2-4 against rank ones and slowly bleed rating, since that’s who I queue into most of the time. I even kept an Excel sheet at the start of the season, and more than half of my opponents at 1600 were R1 healers. How are mere mortals supposed to climb when every time we queue up, we’re up against pros who literally make a living off this game?
Imagine the outrage if the M+ rating system was treated the way 3v3 is. 99% of players just arbitrarily no longer can get teleports for completing +10s because blizzard turned a nob, or you cant get to 2500 rating until you've completed +14s in every dungeon. Thats literally what theyre doing to 3s. Thanks blizz there is no reason to play until 2 weeks before the season ends.
For M+ players thinking this isn't a problem, imagine if Blizz did the M+ squish where a +20 became a +10, but kept Keystone Master at +15. At that point, the only people getting Keystone Master would be MDI players. That is pretty much what happens in these low MMR pvp seasons.
Wow pvp is done anyway, every addon/season same shit problems. Give it up and enjoy other games who are worth your time. I hit my elite and im done, the queue times make me just sick and zhe balance is horrible
why is ever 2nd video "ppl are quitting war within" "if blizz dont change this ppl will quit" "ppl are quitting pvp" "ppl quit cus blizz didnt change this" LOL
i Canceled my membership yesterday, i won't give them my money for the terrible pvp state we have with 0 fix and ultra op classes versus ultra undertuned classes.
I spent two hours for a rated bg que to pop. Only for our team to get absolutely smoked and my rating left unchanged. Not to mention the negligible amount of conquest points you get to even try and gear up. It’s not hard to figure out whats wrong with pvp unfortunately.
I just don't like playing against rank 1 players as a casual player. Never happened in any other game only wow. I have bumped into many top tier players while geared in honor gear getting stomped because they are boosting a character
Honestly it's the community. Main reason I stopped playing pvp is because people can't take a loss or its never enough when you win and got sick of dealing with insults. Arena just isn't it anymore, it doesn't even feel competitive. I still somewhat raid and M+ but only play for 2-3 months and wait for the next patch. For this raid tier it felt extremely exhausting wiping to Bloodhound for 3hrs every week. A lot of the issues from DF are still the case in this season. The nail in the coffin was the Anniversary event including changes to Bronze tokens. The class sets look awesome, but couldn't be bothered by how long it would take. I have 10 other games to go to for specific itches. WoW use to be my game to sink 100hrs of hours in hanging out with other people and playing content, but now it feels like a roller coaster on money rails that charges you a toll in everything you do.
You mean the rewards that are meant to be hard to get are actually hard??? Shocker! For real tho, game has never been easier. Frankly it's where it should be only a small portion of the community should be able to get 2400. Any other take is just cope.
this is absolutely braindead. im a 15xglad and 4xR1... currently the only players with glad this season are ALL R1 players. It should not be impossible to get glad unless you're on par with AWC players. Odds are you've never been 2400 and are projecting as if you have been, because nobody has this take thats actually up at 2500-2700 right now.
@@RhodesianSuperiority It's not impossible to get. The game is literally is at it's easiest. 2400 now might as well be 1500 back in mop prideful. They've lowered the requirement of EVERY rated reward. Elite sets were 2.2, they lowered it to 2k then 1800. Glad mounts are given away for free now Enchant is 1950 (Was 2700, then 2400 then 2100) By every metric these rewards are easier to get. You're probably just a salty 1400 andy.
@@prod7906 you just dont play 3v3 and probably have never been above 2100 in anything other than bgb unless you played ret in DFS2. 2400 is currently less than 250 players. Nobody cares about your BG blitz rating that you got 2400 for the first time in your life lmao because thats the only game mode currently where its easy to get 2400 so you're self reporting hard asf. I got glad in every season of mop lol it was WAY more inflated and way easier to get to the % cutoff back then than it is to just get 50 wins above 2400 in 3v3 for TWW S1. The fact you think the glad mount is free this season, when less than 150 players IN THE ENTIRE NA REGION HAVE IT just goes to show you dont have it and probably dont have a single one. 1700+ people got glad in NA during prideful, 1800+ in EU. You very obviously did not play back then and did not get glad that season. Nobody cares that "rewards are easier overall" we're talking about glad being only AWC competitors and multi-R1s right now. But based on your arguments you got your first 2400 in bg blitz (it doesnt count by the way, im 3k mmr sitting 2800cr in bgb, its a joke) and now you want to gatekeep even though you dont even play the 3v3 bracket lmao dont bother replying im not reading anymore trash takes from 1800 players boosted by bgb thinking they are actually 2400+ skilled players.
@@prod7906 you lack the very basic reading comprehension to see that I said "impossible ...unless..." im not arguing with someone whos first 2400 xp is from BGB and the take that 2400 is easier than 1500 in prideful tells me everything i need to know. Have a good day thinking that you're on par with R1s because you got bgb 2400 for the first time ever omegalul so carried
Yeah, I've seen rets (just on example) pressing no BoP, Sacrifice, Freedom or Sanctuary and go 6:0 in some SS lobbies. It has been all about damage lately.
yup i stopped playing just over a week ago... que times ... just so annoying not worth waiting... try to play a diff game while waiting or just do other stuff and sometimes miss que.. just yawn
I am 100% the player described in this video and agree 100% with what was said. Burn rating system down and replace it. The emperor is naked with respect to rating meaning anything across seasons anymore, and worse, it is a system that supports a death spiral of player behavior, with players leaving causing more players to leave. The fewer players that queue in a mode, the harder it is to gain rating, which further discourages the remaining players to stay, it's as simple as that. And with all of the massive sources of cannibalization of the pvp base lately (classic & solo modes) on top of predictable attrition from a 20 year old game, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see this. Inflation is just an ugly kludge and always has been. I'd love to see the community's effort focused on debating what to replace it with. I don't think there is a trivial fix, but I think we could figure it out. I have a hunch Blizzard knows the complaints very well, but are terrified & uncertain with how to replace it and actually make it better.
2s bracket is in absolute shambles. On EU at ~2K cr, end of week 8, that is top 2.2% of the ladder. Absurd. 2400 isn't even obtainable in that bracket really, 13 characters are over 2400 in 2s as we speak - 11 accounts (2 are alts of the same person). 6 specs represented in those 13 slots.
If Blizzard doesnt change the ancient mmr system and give extra rewards to pvp players both in shuffle and blitz next season, pvp will fade. I think we had enough!
Personly I think they should gladiator mount in shuffle and 2s. They might as well. Plus posibly adding some sort of uber big boi gladitor saddle to get old mounts, They have been boosted and traded to the point where even if u see one u are not sure if they are good at the game lol. I really think as well there are that many now that they might as well add some sort of asddle to grind as itm ight keep player particapation up though out the season m,uch more
its just too complicated this games getting more and more advanced and only the people with 5k+ hours playing all day and streaming are enjoying it!! shit even i had to call it quits for good this expac cuz sitting ques is too boring and every couple weeks another friend is leaving to play a different game or play older expansions because its just less, we have fun pvping but were not trying to make r1 we just wanna get better then we were last season for example but it feels like the progession of this game is either you play like a god or your fried. the harder this game wants everything to be complex the harder its gonna be for people to wanna casually have fun there is no such thing as a fun drunk que sesh with the boys on the weekend that also means no community or whatever you wanna call it of casuals filling the brackets for more mmr to go around we need the mid brackets to be filled with the regulars that like the game and just wanna play after work or something the term casual has become a scary thing and it shouldnt we need more we need simpler game play and design we need more accessible content, nobody thats played this game for 100s of hours should be struggling to clear content if you put in 100 hours in any game you probably know the game pretty well all except for wow. Also bring back pve gear in pvp its a mmo and we need to let the bg heroes stomp in reg bgs with they heroic pve gear so they feel strong enough to que into those 1800-2k games that also works as a gatekeep for people a little lower so they arent fighting r1 and glads like they are now
Blizzard needs to track & adjust inflation accordingly. Having a glad mount people are excited for to sure helps to, which isn’t really the case this season. So people just hitting up blitz and will just use their Legion or Dragonflight glad mounts, till a cool one is put out there to draw in more players. Part of the problem about the current system is, when not enough people are playing in a given season, suddenly it’s multi glads fighting for just duelist 2100… for like the first month or two. But here we are 8 weeks in with inflation in 3v3. Almost a full 1000 rating lower blitz/solo shuffle (where everyone is playing atm). Most of us honestly lost our awesome pvp friends… and pve’ers don’t really want to ever play when I ask them , they have mythic plus keys to run… so now just wandering around town alone but wanting to pvp with people hopefully around one’s given skill level… so only options are solo shuffle or blitz. Because that’s where the bulk of the pvper’s are. You seen the rated bg search? There’s fucking 6 dudes selling RBG rating (how that’s still a thing idk), and maybe two to three yolo’s and all but one will likely be 2100+ only players allowed. Something to that extent…. For a person trying to get into pvp; the only shows in town are solo shuffle and blitz atm…. The rated bg scene has been on the decline, but solo rated blitz really took a huge amount of those players…
I super agree with the rewards thing. Right now, if you LOVE 2s, shuffle, blitz, you don't get shit. Blizzard is basically just gambling that if you play these modes, you do it purely for the joy of playing - which is fine, if you're a super diehard fan - but some cool rewards would not only incentivize more players to Q, but it would also incentivize people to keep playing to earn their rewards for the season. And yeah, the MMR thing sucks ass.
I endured way too much frustration, i gave up 3 weeks ago and just thinking that i have to log up and wait 20-30 mins to even play just to get fucked by ferals or rogues or sp or an npc bm hunt and just to get stuck at 2200 till they think that its time to let some people progress deters me from even opening the battle app, its all a waste of time with no fun at all. And as a surv hunter i had to wait 1.5 months to even get core mechanics fixed, that company does not deserve a cent nor a minute from me or other players that used to love the pvp experience
I would argue they know exactly what they're doing and they do it intentionally to allow boosters to sell boosts. Means more game copies sold for Blizzard, tokens, etc. Then once they've made enough money in the season from all the boosting they will magically "fix" it.
I got 95% of all seasonal rewards (2k rating) in shuffle in 60 rounds, took me like, a week. The next thing I could get is 3v3 glad mount but its so far away that there's really no point, i'd have to be a top 10 warrior in NA to get glad, that would take me probably 50x as much time as it took to get everything else and I would probably not even be able to get there, so I just quit.
I did some 2s with a friend last week. We were about 1300 after 50 fights with 50% win rate, but 15% of our losses were against a glad level chad with a carry, and another 15% against 2 smurfs. 4 of our wins were against people lowering their score by not moving. So 60% of our losses were vs matchups we should never get. That's very offputting and we don't plan in doing any pvp until they fix this smurfing bullshit. That's a huge problem pvp streamers conveniently forget, probably because most of them profit from it.
Appreciate you making this video Ven! I uninstalled TWW after the most recent PvP update shortly after the drop of 11.0.5 because I had a 3 part realization: A.) Blizzard consistently struggles with PvP balancing to a point where there is always a true small group of “meta” specs and classes, B.) PvP gearing is in the best place its ever been in WoW history, completely removing barrier to entry for gearing alts fast, and C.) leveling alts is arguably the fastest its ever been to max level. This has created an environment where PvPers can capitalize on the regular imbalance of the PvP meta rapidly, filling up lower-to-mid tier MMR brackets with whatever is currently the best class, making the game increasingly difficult unless you join them. I told myself I will not re-install until one of the three components to this problem is fixed. Looking forward to seeing a video from you soon telling us to come back!
I quit months ago when I got suspended for "trash talking" a few times in solo shuffle matches. I never directly cussed, but definitely went out of my way to trash talk. And then having the game feel so dead even though I see players everywhere (or maybe bots?), but nobody wants to speak because they might offend someone and get suspended. I'll never return to WoW again because of their excessive censorship. But what really irks me is most of these people aren't really offended. They just see it as an opportunity to report because they enjoy seeing others get punished. They are the adult version of elementary school children tattletales.... snitches.
I agree and have been vocal about this since Legion / Pre-Patch BFA (when rated rewards changed to the current hard rating threshold reward structure): Adding more incentive to playing other brackets would be a massive boon. Rewards that are account wide and earnable from all brackets cause everyone to flock to whichever mode has the most efficient acquisition. Some people I know and have played with say the rewards should be more exclusive to make the reward feel more unique/valuable (old-school game design), but I feel that having a wider variety of rewards across the different thresholds and brackets is better for the overall health of PvP. Shifting rewards further and further down the ladder is a good "bandage solution", but it leads to the current issue: low incentive to push for higher rating when it seemingly is an unreachable goal and not worth the effort/attempt. I think Gladiator should be achievable in both 2s and 3s, whereas solo shuffle and blitz should award an equivalent type of mount reward (either a recolor or their own seasonal model that gets reskinned and recolored every season) so that there is a unique capstone difference between solo and premade group PvP. Additionally Blizzard really needs to do away with rating throttling via MMR because as Venruki has pointed out time and time again, MMR incentivizes existing within a season instead of actively playing throughout the season; hurting active seasonal participation as well as motivation for average players to try or participate in PvP. If Blizzard needs any ideas for new rewards to potentially include here are a few: faction / armor type sets to be unlocked from rated 10v10 and blitz, token to unlock previously available seasonal rewards (perhaps only 1 per account per season to avoid the same issue that occurred in BFA where PvPers would accumulate a max of 8 vicious saddles per season), prestige banners similar to those given from the seasonal legend achievement and honor levels (originally added via the prestige system during Legion), an expansion themed version of the artifact weapons to provide a class specific flare reward, seasonal toys such as the flag of ownership, non armor type specific armor cosmetics, faction themed / seasonal hearth stones, and warband login screens.
i swear every season venruki makes one of these videos
negative videos get him more clicks ig
This is the only season where only AWC winning players were the ones to achieve glad 2 months into it, this has never happened before and Blizzard doing all those rating and mmr caps and shenanigans were the reason for it. I remember back in SL people (including me) used to get Glad week 1 if they were good enough, now we (multi glad players) are shitty Duelist players. I'm sorry I only PvP "for the fun of it" if I'm on the appropriate ranking
@@TheNubaHS i mean were you anywhere near glad? no. doesnt affect you
And its all justified to make
It’s every week now haha
Blizzard is always a day late and a dollar short to do anything for pvp
Thats the exact Problem. Its so easy to keep this Game alive but blizz is fixxing Problems like 3 months later when no one care anymore
as a former hardcore pvper, i can tell u pvp is the least of their worries. they dont care because most ppl who play wow dont pvp.
Honestly, I think the best way to build up the PVP community is to focus on battlegrounds and building up the casual base again and then they would leak into 3v3 and 2v2
I second that! And stop mixing the top rank with people starting out cause they get turned off immediately
@ idk what to do about boosters but I quit cuz it’d be pros boosting someone for achievements every game
Awful take.
@@wowwt Its a good take actually. Most people just want to play, and Random BGs is still HUGELY popular. The problem is people dont want to sweat to earn conquest. If you got 300 conq per bg win, arena would be dead over night. Blizzard are trying toooo hard to cater to a minor percentage of the player base.
You cant build this Game by giving alot of Ques or fixing mmr or any of that Stuff .. People dont play cause the Game and Class Designe is bad thats just the honest Truth!! Wotlk,Cata,Mop worked cause it felt so satisfying to press Spells,Abitliies and Stuff the feeling of Charging someone putting them in a full Shockwave or Thorwdown and then pop Recklessnes the Oldschool one and stomp them you cant compare that to Legion till Retail Today its just a differente World like Night and Day..
It's so obvious their current team just had PVP thrown at them with no clue how to handle it.
The fact that they waited until 75% of SS players quit to fix the rating cap is insane. Now they have a 20 pt rating gain cap per blitz win too. They expect us to sit in 20 min queues at 1600 beating 2400 mmr teams for 19-20 rating and 58 conq.
couldnt have said it better myself
Amen.
Que times for pvp are disgusting
@@williamromero6177 I'm a healer, but felt so bad for this warrior in my group who had sat in a 30 min queue just for our other healer to go to an inactive base in EOTS at the start. Even as a healer my queue times are 12-25 mins though.
This is the exact problem, yeah.
The hardest part is finding people, its almost impossible. 1 loss and people leave...
True
Solo Q is the only way to play PvP. Qtimes need help ASAP tho.
People don't want a challenge. They want the easy way up.
@@palfotta Go play healer, 0 que time. So easy... problem is healer is most unfun thing to play in pvp and blizzard just refuse to do something about it.
@@edijskocins1271 Everybody knows that (except Blizzard), ty.
Ah yes the inevitable "everybody is quitting pvp" to be closely followed by "why is everybody quitting" and to book end the trilogy with "how blizzard can fix pvp" then we start the ride all over again.
Have you considered not watch them? 🤡
@@SYLXM I dont understand what this comment has to do with mine. You can easily go thru Venruki's back log of videos and see he has these posted throughout each patch cycle, my comment doesnt state a dislike or a like of the video itself it simply states a fact. Ill just assume the clown emoji was placed there as a place holder for this L you were going to inevitably hold.
Regardless of your hate, this, unfortunately, is the truth.
@@aryelsilva5170 once again, like the person above, where is the hate? my original comment doesnt state that I neither like nor dislike the vid it just states a fact, as you point out yourself.
and here you are consuming it all...
The reddit comment was right lmao. Venruki being in denial because he is part of the problem.This isn't an MMR thing. High ranked arena streamers and players just spent all time sucking eachother off and playing among themselves when the pvp playerbase is dwindling away slowly over the years instead of playing with beginners and fostering newcomers.
And well cool, you are rank 1 for 15 years in a row against no competition except some other awc teams or streamers that have nothing else to do except queing arena all day. And now you can brag to your 100 viewers that you got all the glad mounts while completely ignoring that you help kill the very scene you try to make money off of.
I watched a frost dk streamer and he keeps flaming like crazy all stream long. Then i love to hear that hes isnt in a good place mentally, bitch stop going crazy over 1 mistake every time and youll be fine !
high ranked player base is toxic af. Im glad the pvp is dying.
it is not pro players respoonsibility to nurture the community. It's blizzard's business.
@@matthewt1885 Exactly why does this guy expect more from the people competing and making video,/streaming. They're already doing their part, they're making content. "Nurture newcomers" as if the AWC players need to do coaching sessions and that'll fix everything lol. Placing blame anywhere outside of Blizzard and their ineptitude is just an L take.
@@matthewt1885 They dont care, I mean I dont care pvp dying. So in the end, what's next ? If you dont care yall playing the same few players every time, then fine, dont do shiat about it. Im glad its in the state and I hope, cause of that shitty ass mentality that it gets emptier and emptier by the day lol my petty ass gonna get updated on that FOR SURE !
@@s.r.1048 That has to be the most L take ever.
Content ? Tf you mean "content" they serve you one tierlist every now and then and maybe one class guide per expansion. Outside of that they just serve you recycled stream clips with clickbait titles. Amazing.
Also we arent talking about coaching sessions. Most people dont need coaching sessions, they need competent people to play with. The amount of people that give up on pvp because their only experience in non shuffle/blitz pvp is the toxicity and horrid level of lfg is something to take into consideration. That aint blizzards fault. That is 100% the players fault. They can't do more than give you a way to try and get teammates.
And when you got a platform, skills, a long list of competent teammates and over 10 hours a day because you are a streamer, so basically unemployed, you can't complain that pvp is dieing, when all you do is play with the same people all day so you can namedrop them in your next video taken unedited from your stream.
Especially if you are actively trying to make a living out of it. Because neither awc nor streaming nor content are going to get your far when it only appeals to 50 people.
I do wish they would perma ban elite boosters. That kind of pay to win steals rating from innocent players and should not be tolerated.
What I find funny is that he won't call them out when he knows they're a problem. He has a big voice and a big platform, perhaps vennyboi is hiding the info of who it is due to he'd get called out as well.
Rats hang out with rats after all.
@@CalculatorTI89 of course.. so many pros with small sized stream audiences, there's no way they are paying the bills with just the stream.. all those websites advertising boosts, who do you think does it.. not the 1800 players.. and there's only a handful of those top tier players nowadays like you said 100%
@@CalculatorTI89 Every time I have called them out in WoW forum - with evidence - I am the one who is silenced, and they continue the boosting.
@@CalculatorTI89 thats bc blizz the streamers and the boosters are the same ppl the cabal of wow and the premades are to
How do you even boost past 1600? After that, you need a somewhat reliable teammate
i quit many weeks ago when constantly meeting full glad / r1's at 1800 in SS
blizzard has absolutely no clue what they are doing with any competitive aspects of the game
Correction: Of their games.
@@benoitheylens4802 true
They have no idea what they are doing in every aspect of their games.
Only clue they have is to sell the wow tokens by millions. Why do you think ingame chat is hyper spammed with boost run advertising. They create toxic content with raid and dungeon mechanics where 1 player can wipe the group. This result not increased team spirit but anxiety and toxicity. And ppl are tough to loot addiction until you cant get anymore. Then you buy the tokens and join boost runs. Blizzard say token was needed to fight the 3rd party gold sellers. Guess what the boosters sell the gold on 3rd party websites cheaper and faster than tokens. Most of wow economy is run by 3rd party and token gold becouse professions are worthless doesnt matter if you make or buy stuff from ah there is no profit unless you have all gathering and producing professions on multiple chars.
They aren't paid to care, pvp players quitting doesnt even put a dent in their profits sadly
Keystone master has been made substantially easier over the past couple of year. Getting gladiator is more and more difficult every season.
Raids were super easy back in BFA, so Blizzard made raids really hard starting with Shadowlands, and people bailed.
M+ was really easy back in Dragonflight, so Blizzard made M+ really hard starting with TWW, and people bailed.
Blizzard's ultimate goal seems to be to drive people away from all content, and make the content accessible only to sweatlords.
Blizzard has abandoned PvP in favor of forcing as many FOMO transmogs down our throat as possible.
They made more efforts towards mythic dungeons in my opinion and it killed pvp
Worst part about blitz is bad brackets, you gain nothing when you have to high rating but lose alot if you lose. This should not be possible in my opinion. I'll happily play with noobs but not at the cost of my rating with nothing to gain.
Why do you lose to newbies?everything is logical
@@mil_ko6843 Because you can't carry 7 people even if you are the best player in the world.
you reach a ceilings. It is your rating where you belong
This is just a problem with MMR, even in chess the players face the same concerns with losing ranking to players who are definitely capanle of winming, but are lower ranked.
+500 rating would solve everything. Im struggling at 1950 when im normally close to glad. Im not having fun.
Dude, I'm in the same situation as you, I play with friends and we've already caught A LOT of gladiators together, but today, 2 months after starting the season, we're banging our heads against the wall at 1950 or 2000 rating. It doesn't make sense!
Makes sense because thats where you belong without giga inflation? Lol
@@aryelsilva5170get better ?
@@DH-ht9plim a 1800 mmr player getting matched against mglads and r1’s in ss. is that my place to be as well?
@@skedge1 1800-2100 in shuffle feels like a joke to me right now. Just because someone is on a glad mount doesn't mean they know how to play on that spec
Gate keeping is real, Even for you R1's half the spots are the same person on multiple Alts taking all the R1 where they have 2-3+ alts in the same and other classes.
Every spec (besides tanks) should have at least 10 R1 spots in shuffle. (This also is beneficial for people who play main specs, because fotm specs always have more spots)
Such an easy improvement to implement
Yall apparently haven't checked. There's people who have like 10 alts all in the top like 25 lol
@@fogismaximus characaters on the same account cannot take up extra glad spots. The system just adds extra R1 spots if the same account has multiple characters at that rating.
Yeah they’ve normalized it so much by now all these old R1s that don’t really push anymore like to turn a blind eye when it’s brought up.
Funniest part is when you face awc teams at 1600-1700. I still feel one of the biggest problem is cr gains with mmr. If you are playing 1000 mmr over your cr you should be getting big cr gains. I have seen people playing 1000 mmr higher and still get the same cr gains as if you were 100 mmr over. Getting 20 cr being 500-1000 mmr over your cr is the problem in my opinion.
They are no awc teams at 1600 stop
Being delusional
@@Dgreatest32 yeah, i play yesterday in 1700, vs najh, 2 times, i been facing people getting out with his glad mounts... i face pikaboo 3 times in this xpac, i face glad people in all seasons, and they are on 1.6 / 1.7 / 1.8... that people have to be on his rating, not 1000mmr less
@@Dgreatest32 It's not often but, it does happen.
Definitely have played against a handful of people with r1 titles. I get it people play alts. The definite reality is every match past 1700 is pretty much all 2400xp players riding glad mounts.
What, if anything, can be done about this? You know what changes are needed. We know what changes are needed. they know it. but they just will not do it. It's been ages since these issues have been crumbling the pvp community, yet nothing is being done. LFG groups have vanished, rank 1 and multi-glads are terrorizing lower rated players on their 10th alts. It just feels like the best answer is to quit honestly.
Ive been doing pug 3's fine. literally got to 2.2k pugging lmao
its not that dead
@Jsten16
It’s cool that you’re the exception but nobody is having fun except for you. I was playing around where you are about 3 weeks ago and all of my friends quit. Having to fight awc players to get our duelist weapons was the stopping point for the season.
You can keep bootlicking though, you’re good at it.
this is very real, today I started the team as an alt (I'm mult-glad), and in the 1600 mmr I got several glads! Now imagine this for a pvp beginner? There's no sense of progression, the guy will just think he's shit and give up.
I literally am 1900 on my alt and have no found any glads.
and if they are they arent very good.
@Jsten16
The two scenarios here are
1. You have the best luck out of everyone that has played the game this season
2. You’re lying
Really sounds like you’re an addict trying to rationalize playing this dumpster fire of a game.
I tried for over a hour to find a healer in 2s. Found one. faced a rank 1 streamer in 1600mmr. easy lost. and healer left.
i think you should just get better at the game and learn how to beat r1 insted of whining ... get gud.
@@jonashabermann6621 why the game is dead ^^
@@jonashabermann6621I think you should learn to dodge against Mike Tyson and stop getting knocked out.
@@ChromaticEagle yeah man, i mean .... If Logan ist brave enough, basicly every other 9 year old should be brave enough as well
@@gankfrombush well aCTuALlyy If the Game is at 1 Point Not dead - IT is at 1600 Rating
No, just the sweatlords do. PVP will always be about asserting dominance on the other bastard, preferably in a 1v1 situation with equal gear and skill and in the most humiliating way possible, and Blizzard can't do anything to change that experience lest remove PVP entirely.
The sweatlords and ratings chasers are what's wrong with PVP in this game and in every game that has PVP. I always hate it how the PVP experience in a newly released game is so fun until the sweatlords arrive and then it turns into a meta-chasing cringefest of tryharding and smurfing and the game starts getting balanced to cater not to the vast majority of players engaged in PVP, but to the 1% of players who are sweatlords and tryhards.
So GOOD RIDDANCE, I say.
I said it since shadowlands and will say it again: the mmr and reward system in wow needs a complete rework asap. They're basically discouraging people, even hardcore pvpers, to a point rn where they're just quitting pvp or even the game itself... they know this since years, but won't make any changes. I have the feeling it's on purpose, cuz they can't be that dumb and incompetent. Just my theory and 2 cents.
what system would you replace it with ?
they use this sort of MMR system in chess as far as i know
@CatalysedCat like in Hearthstone or lol. Way better System that is actually rewarding the grind...
@@blizzart9191 not familiar with that system, break it down for us ?
@@CatalysedCatRanks instead of MMR. We could list dozens of games with such a system that are successful. Do research.
@@camvalence I'm not sure what you mean as in successful? That system invites many boosters that literally destroy the ladder, Hearthstone is an exception because it isn't a team game. but for League of Legends every skilled player complains about the boosted players stuck in Diamond IV and have a much more enjoyable experience in Emerald I since those players are actually good.
i'm sure you remember that 2s used to reward both gladiator and all the gear that 3s did
For one expansion, yes
And season 5 and season 6 of wrath of the lich king to be exact.
it's mind boggling how they didn't learn anything from last expansion, this was the case 3 seasons in a row in df
it's not just "the best players" its "the best players *of all time*" because they're the only ones still playing.
they just need to move away from MMR entirely and move to a ladder system like in league of legends. Master > diamond > plat > gold > silver > bronze.
Should all be relative to your peers in that sense.
The question would be what % of players should be getting glad per season roughly? Somewhere around top 10%
league also has mmr just doesnt show it and divisions works almost just like rating, what we need is rewards not to be attached so much to rating that depends external factors like player population/blizz random caps, we should have every season something like a pvp renown system that can be achieved by both casuals and hardcores, and probably let rating go up until AWC players fight themselves at 3k mmr and let most hardcore around 2400 so glad mounts are somewhat achievable, and prob more mount recolors for blitz and shuffle,
The only real difference between LoL's and WoW's rank system is that WoW has visual rating that tries to match your MMR rating.
LoL does the same except instead of showing 1800 rating on your 2v2 interface it says you're Gold 3 or something.
I prefer WoW's more abstract and 'true' rating than LoL's obscured system.
@@QPoily it's all relative to the player base tho where as wow's is not. That's they key
If a R1 is 2200 one season and 3100 another season then that's an issue. In LoL that player would just be Master Tier. Which is how it should be
@@QPoily yeah exactly
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Was wondering if anyone else noticed 😂
Hilarious. Reddit algorithm knows whatup
the game is really in such a great spot which cant be glossed over. We finally can sit in the city and queue what we want without pressure to do pve, reps, etc. Thats why this whole rating issue is that much more perplexing because it seems like such an easy thing to fix after all the hard work has been done to fix the more major problems of the past.
this encapsulates it very well
Don’t worry the Mountain Dew mount will bring new players to 3v3 arena
Dont worry, Trump will fix it.
@@Pallehzdon’t worry the liberals won’t keep raising inflation somehow
I bought some 16oz mtn dews, started submitting codes, was timed out for the final one because they have a limit on how many you can submit in a day. Next day my mnt dew account was suspended. It’s been a week and no reply from support. 🤣
Ven you’re right, when you’re right you’re right
I got to 2250 on my disc priest. There’s only 80 priests above me now so I know there’s no way I’m going up. no reason to play for at least a month
Out of the top 20 characters in the US there are only 12 individual players. It averages out to around 30% of all characters in the top 100 are alts. This is a major issue.
Other people dont want to learn to play, thats not a problem.
@mil_ko6843 Other people don't want to fight bigdam on his 60th alt. It has nothing to do with them not wanting to learn. But I wouldn't expect a tiny brained Russian to understand that.
@@BreakingChad3 how did the russians offend you? Trump came to power, so you are in a bad mood? dont cry baby, be a man 😁
Agree with you 100% . Thank you for bringing this up, probably some of the game developers will got a chance to check this video
Agree with all of it. Complete rating overhaul is needed!
Rewards need to be actually achievable by more casual players so more people want to play pvp.
Tabards and titels for the best of the best. 'glad' mounts at 2100 throughout all brackets etc...
I super disagree with the take about rewards being the driver. Pvp has always been the game mode where people just play because they love the competition. What needs to change is the community's outlook towards flaming mistakes. All the gatekeepers pushed the newer, more casual players away with their toxicity and now they're all looking around complaining no one wants to play with them.
Y'all did it to yourselves. You want activity to go up? Stop being so toxic when someone makes mistakes. None of us play perfect, without exception. Be more forgiving and you'll see the activity pick back up slowly over many months/years.
And yes, ratings deflation should be corrected, but that's not the driver of why the pvp community is so small
I agree with this. I have devolved to having more fun in casual BGs with friends! The rewards seem more like a burden these days.
I really feel that the competitive side of PvP could be helped by better rating and queuing systems. Looking for groups and getting rejected as a new or higher rank player has always left a bad taste in my mouth.
It's hard to pick WoW PvP, sitting in a 20 min que for a short 3v3, over just playing another game that respects my time as a person more. I sink a ton of time in games, but the way I do it is different now and I don't feel respected by the current systems in my long beloved game WoW!
Also when you start, a third of your matches are against smurfs and it drives most new people away.
Nah thaths just partially true. The rating diff and not being able to get their rewards is def the core problem for 3s right now. And i was saying it back in DF already when it was literally the same issue. Not only do you have less participation bc most people give up before it has even started but the few left who try to progress will end up in huge toxicity just by nature as a result of this problem that creates this toxicity because people cant forgive mistakes because they can hardly climb and get anywhere near they want to be. It all snowballs. There were way more participation in PvP (3s) etc when PvE'ers needed to do PvP in order to get some gear from PvP. That was the case in some Xpac i remember at the start of SL for example. We need those PvE'ers back in PvP for a healthier PvP mmr. Idk how much Blizzard can do about the Rating/Mrr if theres not much participation but they definetly did some mistakes that lead to the current situation.
I was about to say that arena players aren't that toxic, but then I remember how plenty of arena streamers like to go full on trash talk mode about their teammates, especially in solo shuffle.
Honestly, it feels like Solo Shuffle introduced more toxicity into WoW PvP than there was before. At least before the expectation of using voice was there and helped curb most of the little trash talkers from talking shit.
You sound like such a bitch, jesus christ man come on. Its a game why do you care so much somebody flames you for a mistake, thats the competitive spirit, even if they dont say it they think it anyway. ITS A GAME stop taking it so personal. Bitch.
I can confirm me and my friends have stopped playing pvp altogether.
We are doing mythic+ and it’s so much more better than anything in PvP.
How is being declined much better?
Mythic + 😂😂😂😂 the fact they had to bring all that out just shows the games fucked. Back in the day it was heroic then mythic came out now u have have mythic +20 it's so fucking stupid the game needs a hard reset it's a total mess min/max shit used to be such a fun game. If u want a real mmorpg journey play classic so much better then retail shit
@@Imperyon you are being declined because you play an expendable role - dps. It’s the same with real life where if you have an unimportant role in your job and you don’t bring much to the table you are considered expendable.
@@nobodyspecial596 it’s actually not a total mess and mythic+ is a challenge that requires immense understanding of your class and the interactions between objects and activities in the game
@@neptune7426 Yeah but this is a game that I'm paying for, so the company that sells me the game should put in a lot of effort to make me believe that I'm not in the real world anymore.
I never saw why this is such a hard thing to do. So many good suggestions here Ven. So many passionate people about the mode.
Idk how anyone takes this guy or supatease seriously. They make videos like this every two weeks followed by a “PvP saved??” video. All so clickbaity
True, game is cooked. They need to make WoW 2 or something cause this game has too much bloat and out dated in today’s videogame pvp layout
Blizzaaard never understand this. We have +3K 3S xp RLD team, (I'm first time rog, Multi R1 Warrrior) we are sitting at 2.3cr rn, facing with only Multi R1 players, i mean full Multi R1 teams, not only 1 rank 1, 2 glad etc. This game is complately dead about pvp, no one can push. Meta is also stupid people abusing BloodDk+BmHunter+MistMonk. They didnt nerf BM, didnt nerf Frost Mage, didnt nerf Evoker sustain damage or mobility, didnt nerf mage, didnt nerf feral, didnt buff warrior, didnt buff enha defensive, didnt buff boomy defensive, didnt buff restro druid, didnt buff restro shaman, didnt buff dk, they overtune unh nerf need %5 buff minimum, they didnt buff dh, didnt buff fire mage, mmr is garbage people keep quiting. Absolutely terrible managing. Amazin bad manage again and again and again.
Just add rewards to each bracket as they did in Shadowlands. They had a good system in shadowlands... and it worked.. there was alot of pve players who wanted to get some achievements and tmogs from shadowlands pvp
"Team Building Fun" in 3v3 no longer exists....
People don't have friends anymore and we all want to play when we can. Solo shuffle needs to switch to 1 round and we will see SO MANY MORE PLAYERS.
CHANGE SOLO SHUFFLE TO 1 ROUND ONLY!
Bad RnG group? Too bad, it's over after one round and reque....
How it should of been from the beginning. But blizzards ego got in the way and they had to put their own spin on it rather than making it how tr had it
For sure dude, lets wait 20 mins just for 1 quick round. Yeah man that sounds attractive. Bro hello
16 min queue for 1 round? you really think that is a good idea?
@@Twootys how the fuck does changing from 6 rounds to 1 keep the que time the same? Wtf kind of logic is that? Use your brain.
@ use your brain
I've enjoyed blitz the most, because I can actually get the rewards. Every time I step into arena it's just a huge drag, knowing that if I want to get the top end rewards via arena, I'll literally have to be facing AWC teams/players. This is NOT how the system should be. Access to rewards brings in players! I think we're nearing the final nail in the coffin for casual PvPers transitioning into rated content. Blitz is a step in the right direction, but I'm worried they're going to cap MMR next season like every other mode and prevent players from getting the top end rewards. I'll stay optimistic, but Blizzards track record with PvP lately has not been good, so I'm not expecting much. Very sad.
you have too high self esteem, in reality you will not reach the awc teams
The fact that healing never got adjusted in blitz is just a testament that the devs do not play PvP at all. The strongest strategy to win blitz is to either ignore the team fight entirely, or have a DK drag a healer away from the team fight.
Yeah start the game 20% damp ..
I haven't played in many expansions. I notice that you make these videos every single expansion, multiple times every expansion. Let the game die. Activision/Blizz sold out. Quit the consistent cope and expect things to change. It's about time you guys move on and find a new game both for your mental health and future careers because expecting mmo's or WoW to hold any attention in the next decade is like expecting someone on hospice to get better. The genre is dying, the company is dying, and the literal playerbase itself is dying from age. Play a different game for once because milking this style comment to an ageing and angry WoW playerbase is sad af.
Agreed except for the MMORPG genre dying. FFXIV Dawntrail set company records for concurrent players since ARR launched in 2013. There has been nearly 3.8 million active daily and 14 million active monthly players over the past 30 days. Its imperfect but at least there's life. I also think there's something to be said that WoW Vanilla era is still populated after 5 years but people are already quitting War Within.
How many times can one man make the same video so many times without figuring out the actual reality they’re avoiding?
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Its not that they're quitting... Ban's are also up 2000%. Been playing this game since OG TBC, and never had bans, but have received two bans (14 day, then 21 day) for things such as "Why are you in mid". People are abusing the report system and blizz won't appeal any of the tickets. 4 of my friends all have received bans in the past month for very minor chat offenses.
i didn't give up, but i did get elite via blitz and stopped playing
The add from zonic canada when he reads the first reddit post at about 2:20 is some foreshadowing
against all odds we will persevere and become pikaboo
I dont think my body could withstand the amount of addreall it would take to become pikaboo
Also started to notice, i'm 1900-2000 on two shuffle characters, I wait 25 min for a que when I get in there's a 600 demo lock and a 947 CR healer or something and it completely skews the game. Either they're hard losing or a full smurf and either way you're usually going 3-3 or losing rating... can't even field an across the board 1900 cr shuff game
PvP Mount change idea here
1600 Yellow Mount
1800 Purple Mount
2000 Green Mount
2200 Red Mount
2400 Golden Mount
Rank 1 title still 0.5% in 3v3
All mount colors can be earned in ANY Solo bracket, RBG’s, and 3v3…You can also earn all colors in 2v2 except 2400…Blizz needs to make a solid/cool looking mount every PvP season, and that will incentivize players to stick around to earn various colors of that mount… We all wanted that Rank 1 Red PvP mount from Dragon Flight S1 …As it stands now, I know I’ll NEVER get a gladiator mount… So I give up after reaching 1800 each season, and that’s one less person queuing in the ladder part of the season… As a boomer gamer dad and having a lot more gaming option now, having mounts I can farm for would keep me and other people motivated longer in each season for goals that are actually obtainable…Instead of just the top 0.5% of the player base
@@MrCodeman2036 that would be a good idea but it’s blizzard we are talking about. Maybe in another 20 years
What they need to do is detach PvE and PvP class kits/specs, talents, and spells, and make healers heal less and being able only to sustain HP a little bit not to heal from 0% to 100% in seconds. Make a brand new class kit for each spec specifically for PvP and make it feel more like MOBA in BGs instead of Zerging.. There is just too much CC, and healers are also making PvP unfun. You almost kill someone 3 times but he is healed back up to full hp in seconds and then you die even though you would already defeat that person 3x if it wasn't for the healing. Each class and spec should have like 3-4 DPS spells, 1 defensive spell, 1 CC. Healers additionally 1 dispel, 1 single target heal, and maybe 1 HoT/AoE heal spell on longer cooldown. PvP using PvE class kits is just too advanced and too complicated for majority of players so PvP in WoW will never be popular as long as playing it is this hard. Classes in PvP need to be very simplistic. There is a reason why in PvP focused MMOs and MOBAs you only get a few spells.
Thank you for being the voice of the people. The PvP community needs ppl like you
Gladiator should be out of reach for most. And to be clear when he said back in the day arena was only the top .5% he was right but there were a ton of battlegroups it wasn't as hard to get as he is making it out to be.
0.5 of 100 battlegroups is the same as if its 0.5 of 1 battlegroup. if you have 1m players in 1 bgrp or 100k ea in 10 bgrps its still 0.5% of 1m
@@snosan highly deppents on the battle group i guess they where not at all balanced so in some it would be easier to get than other simple of the fact that les top players are in them
@@cptboomfist8436 There were like two difficult battlegroups back in wotlk.
@@rabee53 13 us battlegroups and 3 pure english 1 german 10 mixed 2 russian in cata
and thigs where even more fragmented before from what i can see
The simple truth is this. Blizzard punishes people who just want to lfg and play 3v3. You have too many boxes to check to get into a group. Are you within 30-50 CR of the people you are signing up to play with? If not you probably won't get an invite because Blizzard punishes you if you play with someone lower CR(usually you won't get invited unless you are higher CR than the person you request to play with in LFG). If you play with someone lower CR, you will tank your rating even if you win more than you lose sometimes, hence people will not invite someone lower CR usually. Are you playing the right spec? Do you have enough XP? Just too many boxes to check.
People (myself included) have given up on 3v3. I have decent XP(2.5CR in 3v3 / hero of horde in rbgs), but I've basically given up on 3v3 and RBGS because finding good team mates to invite me seems impossible... and I've spent HUNDREDS of hours in LFG. People won't invite me to play because I don't have a glad title somtimes, yet I go into solo shuffle and realize I'm higher rated than 99.6% of the population. So even if you have ok XP, it's still extremely hard to get into a group with 2 other players who are very good at the game... Yet I can go into shuffle and DOMINATE the ladders all the way up to almost rank 1 range... What do you think I'm going to spend my time doing?
solo shuffle killed arenas
bad game design did
Things were better before solo shuffle
Changing mmr around wont make new people play such a complex title with a community that has no desire to teach anyone anything. This game has the problem that fighting games do but has significantly more bullshit to do before even getting the meat of the game play you want to play and learn. Add in garbage queue times in a modern age where peoples attention are pulled in a million directions and its a wrap. No matter what blizzard does they wont draw back any meaningful population to stop the bleed.
I just deactivated my WoW account. sat in queue for 30 min for solo shuffle and bg blitz and I just felt I was wasting my time =(
if you spend even 10% of your "Playtime" in queues it raises question of wasting time. There are so many games where you press button and get into a match near instantly.
Return of Reckoning, a Warhammer online private server has like a 3 minute battleground queue if that by comparison.
@@evg3nius imagine if call of duty had a 30 minute wait time for a 7 min game lol
Come to Turtle WoW. Blood Ring arena at 60 and BGs if you want. No subscription as well. 🫡👌🏼
Here’s the thing with rating. 3s and 2s are dead in comparison to solo. Everyone thinks they want Blizz to “fix” rating, but if they make changes to address the rating it will spread the ready abysmal average of about 12-15k games per day across that much more of a spread. We end up right where we were in DF which was rank 1, streamers, glads all farming alts to stay at 1600-1700 and ruin peoples experience. All the problems actually get worse and pika is playing rogue for life in 1800 lobbies.
My "giving up" is timed to the rest of my current sub. ends this month, if they don't announce a massive MMR injection (like 500+ rating or something completely stupid in 3s) I am done with the expansion. Already got Elite, already got Grand Marshall, don't care about farming Strategist or Legend - Only glad. If Glad remains reserved for AWC players, I won't come back.
Blizzard managed to make the PVP community and the M+ community completely miserable with this expansion. Gotta love it.
Oh it’s the start of the week time for venruki to cry and make a doomsday wow pvp video Jfc
I haven’t played in two years and the story stays the same. See you next expansion (maybe)
I mean its pretty bad atm, exclusively. Look how long BM hunters are just ruining the experience for others.
Yet blizzard is so slow to react, its just left alone.
Whatever manager, or system they use for "Balancing" Clearly needs to be more correctly addressed because this themetic happens every patch, every xpac, they need to stop being lazy
I'm not a BM and I know they have been OP but geez is that the best you got.
@@fullmetalscotsman1306 BM is just the current class with the outrageous issue. It changes per xpac/patch of course. But has no reason to last so long without being brought in line.
Classes should have gives and takes.
If you're a ranged class, who has the advantage of using ranged and Pets, (Melee and Range) With a mortal strike. While also having amazing mobility and surviability. Its a god class.
Ontop of this, normally if a class like this existed, the trade off would need to be "extremely high skill cap to play" but of course, BM hunter is the lowest of the low in terms of mechanical skill.
it's so messed, I'm main healer this seasson to get faster queues, in shuffle I burn everycd, cc, play around pillar, trying to the the basics, and in 1600 people still insta die. EVERY TIME, it's insta die, and them people rage on me and all, but wtf 1600 people doing dmg like 2400, it feels super hard to play =-=
it is man the burst dmg is crazy in this expansion.. no more 45 minute arena games
i mean pvp died with legion.
solo shuff is pretty fun
also- negative titles gets more clicks. ven stop it
My problem is how wildly long it takes to get conquest compared to honor. You have to wait significantly longer to play, so you can earn significantly less currency... Blizzard does it to themselves. I remember reaching my conquest cap back in MoP on my monk in a few hours, after having a HUGE cap. You used to get so much conquest per win back then, it was awesome. Now I have to wait for shuffle to pop, win most matches and get like 100 and something conquest. It is crazy.
I canceled my sub this month. PvP just isn't fun and PvP gear is bullshit.PvP isn't about skill, it's about sweat.
Maturing is realizing it's always been this way 😆
@evg3nius this comment is golden my friend how you play a pvp game and don't want competition lol
@@darrylgreen5096 Competition in getting better gear? Try actual PvP game for competition 😆even Counter Strike is miles ahead. Or LOL\DOTA
Blizzard has no incentive to make a mount for shuffle or anything else achievement wise for free anymore. Why would they make a mount just for player achievement, when they can sell one for $90? If anything, they have incentive to start charging you to buy the glad. mounts for $. Example: If you get glad, you unlock the ability to buy the mount now with money.
bro you just talk negative shit about the game, just play something else if you don't like it. Every single season is the same shit.
Honestly, they should just create a PvP realm or instances where you can only queue with one character of each spec, fully geared, no enchants or gems-just pure gameplay with cosmetics and pride rewards. Sure, Timmy might miss out on his big gear advantage to stomp PvE boys in non-rated BGs, but that’s okay. 😂
Why am I spending time healing damage dealers who seem clueless, facing the fifth Holy Paladin reroll of some rank one player at 1600, just to go 3-3 and gain absolutely zero points? Then getting trashtalked by those same damage dealers with gems like, “lol, 300 games and still 1600.” My MMR has been messed up since day one, when healers were hard-stuck at that rating and even rank ones were sitting at 1700-1800. It was totally broken.
So, I swapped to playing damage dealer, and boom-hit 1800-1900 in a single day. Aside from the long queues, it was way easier to climb. That’s just the nature of arenas: as a healer, you face only one other healer, but as a damage dealer, you’re competing with three others. I regularly go 4-2 or 5-1 as a damage dealer, whereas as a healer, I’m doomed to 3-3. I can’t get past 2k without sweating it out, and I have a life-I don’t want to keep facing the 10th alt of some AWC champion at 1600 in shuffle.
When I actually face people in my own league, I go 5-1 or 6-0. But then I go 3-3 or 2-4 against rank ones and slowly bleed rating, since that’s who I queue into most of the time. I even kept an Excel sheet at the start of the season, and more than half of my opponents at 1600 were R1 healers. How are mere mortals supposed to climb when every time we queue up, we’re up against pros who literally make a living off this game?
Just remove 3s lfg and make solo shuffle be able to earn glad mounts. The community is small
Imagine the outrage if the M+ rating system was treated the way 3v3 is. 99% of players just arbitrarily no longer can get teleports for completing +10s because blizzard turned a nob, or you cant get to 2500 rating until you've completed +14s in every dungeon. Thats literally what theyre doing to 3s. Thanks blizz there is no reason to play until 2 weeks before the season ends.
giving up ? you mean already gave up since DF S1 xd
For M+ players thinking this isn't a problem, imagine if Blizz did the M+ squish where a +20 became a +10, but kept Keystone Master at +15. At that point, the only people getting Keystone Master would be MDI players. That is pretty much what happens in these low MMR pvp seasons.
Wow pvp is done anyway, every addon/season same shit problems. Give it up and enjoy other games who are worth your time. I hit my elite and im done, the queue times make me just sick and zhe balance is horrible
why is ever 2nd video "ppl are quitting war within" "if blizz dont change this ppl will quit" "ppl are quitting pvp" "ppl quit cus blizz didnt change this"
LOL
i Canceled my membership yesterday, i won't give them my money for the terrible pvp state we have with 0 fix and ultra op classes versus ultra undertuned classes.
Honestly i think there is way to many buttons for pvp ... its just too many ...
Can't believe people are still on this...
I spent two hours for a rated bg que to pop. Only for our team to get absolutely smoked and my rating left unchanged. Not to mention the negligible amount of conquest points you get to even try and gear up. It’s not hard to figure out whats wrong with pvp unfortunately.
I just don't like playing against rank 1 players as a casual player. Never happened in any other game only wow. I have bumped into many top tier players while geared in honor gear getting stomped because they are boosting a character
Honestly it's the community. Main reason I stopped playing pvp is because people can't take a loss or its never enough when you win and got sick of dealing with insults. Arena just isn't it anymore, it doesn't even feel competitive. I still somewhat raid and M+ but only play for 2-3 months and wait for the next patch. For this raid tier it felt extremely exhausting wiping to Bloodhound for 3hrs every week. A lot of the issues from DF are still the case in this season.
The nail in the coffin was the Anniversary event including changes to Bronze tokens. The class sets look awesome, but couldn't be bothered by how long it would take.
I have 10 other games to go to for specific itches. WoW use to be my game to sink 100hrs of hours in hanging out with other people and playing content, but now it feels like a roller coaster on money rails that charges you a toll in everything you do.
You mean the rewards that are meant to be hard to get are actually hard??? Shocker!
For real tho, game has never been easier. Frankly it's where it should be only a small portion of the community should be able to get 2400. Any other take is just cope.
this is absolutely braindead. im a 15xglad and 4xR1... currently the only players with glad this season are ALL R1 players. It should not be impossible to get glad unless you're on par with AWC players. Odds are you've never been 2400 and are projecting as if you have been, because nobody has this take thats actually up at 2500-2700 right now.
You guaranteed drink tap water and have a calcified pineal gland your inner dialog is completely backwards you are an NPC
@@RhodesianSuperiority It's not impossible to get. The game is literally is at it's easiest. 2400 now might as well be 1500 back in mop prideful. They've lowered the requirement of EVERY rated reward.
Elite sets were 2.2, they lowered it to 2k then 1800.
Glad mounts are given away for free now
Enchant is 1950 (Was 2700, then 2400 then 2100)
By every metric these rewards are easier to get. You're probably just a salty 1400 andy.
@@prod7906 you just dont play 3v3 and probably have never been above 2100 in anything other than bgb unless you played ret in DFS2. 2400 is currently less than 250 players. Nobody cares about your BG blitz rating that you got 2400 for the first time in your life lmao because thats the only game mode currently where its easy to get 2400 so you're self reporting hard asf. I got glad in every season of mop lol it was WAY more inflated and way easier to get to the % cutoff back then than it is to just get 50 wins above 2400 in 3v3 for TWW S1. The fact you think the glad mount is free this season, when less than 150 players IN THE ENTIRE NA REGION HAVE IT just goes to show you dont have it and probably dont have a single one. 1700+ people got glad in NA during prideful, 1800+ in EU. You very obviously did not play back then and did not get glad that season. Nobody cares that "rewards are easier overall" we're talking about glad being only AWC competitors and multi-R1s right now. But based on your arguments you got your first 2400 in bg blitz (it doesnt count by the way, im 3k mmr sitting 2800cr in bgb, its a joke) and now you want to gatekeep even though you dont even play the 3v3 bracket lmao
dont bother replying im not reading anymore trash takes from 1800 players boosted by bgb thinking they are actually 2400+ skilled players.
@@prod7906 you lack the very basic reading comprehension to see that I said "impossible ...unless..." im not arguing with someone whos first 2400 xp is from BGB and the take that 2400 is easier than 1500 in prideful tells me everything i need to know. Have a good day thinking that you're on par with R1s because you got bgb 2400 for the first time ever omegalul so carried
i stopped pvping cause it just feels like who can button mash the fastest now
Yeah, I've seen rets (just on example) pressing no BoP, Sacrifice, Freedom or Sanctuary and go 6:0 in some SS lobbies. It has been all about damage lately.
I hit my 1800 in SS. I'm happy. The Elite Warrior set was the only thing I really wanted out of pvp this season. Lol
yup i stopped playing just over a week ago... que times ... just so annoying not worth waiting... try to play a diff game while waiting or just do other stuff and sometimes miss que.. just yawn
Venruki is right. The entire PvP rating and reward system needs a complete ground up rework/overhaul. Entirely new system.
I am 100% the player described in this video and agree 100% with what was said. Burn rating system down and replace it. The emperor is naked with respect to rating meaning anything across seasons anymore, and worse, it is a system that supports a death spiral of player behavior, with players leaving causing more players to leave. The fewer players that queue in a mode, the harder it is to gain rating, which further discourages the remaining players to stay, it's as simple as that. And with all of the massive sources of cannibalization of the pvp base lately (classic & solo modes) on top of predictable attrition from a 20 year old game, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see this. Inflation is just an ugly kludge and always has been.
I'd love to see the community's effort focused on debating what to replace it with. I don't think there is a trivial fix, but I think we could figure it out. I have a hunch Blizzard knows the complaints very well, but are terrified & uncertain with how to replace it and actually make it better.
Inflate the SS and give us a great Legend mount and I have no complaints, the rest is actually good.
2s bracket is in absolute shambles. On EU at ~2K cr, end of week 8, that is top 2.2% of the ladder. Absurd. 2400 isn't even obtainable in that bracket really, 13 characters are over 2400 in 2s as we speak - 11 accounts (2 are alts of the same person). 6 specs represented in those 13 slots.
Same problem with pvp like m+. Blizzard ruined the gameplay of so much people at the moment with stupid decisions.
If Blizzard doesnt change the ancient mmr system and give extra rewards to pvp players both in shuffle and blitz next season, pvp will fade. I think we had enough!
Personly I think they should gladiator mount in shuffle and 2s. They might as well. Plus posibly adding some sort of uber big boi gladitor saddle to get old mounts, They have been boosted and traded to the point where even if u see one u are not sure if they are good at the game lol. I really think as well there are that many now that they might as well add some sort of asddle to grind as itm ight keep player particapation up though out the season m,uch more
its just too complicated this games getting more and more advanced and only the people with 5k+ hours playing all day and streaming are enjoying it!! shit even i had to call it quits for good this expac cuz sitting ques is too boring and every couple weeks another friend is leaving to play a different game or play older expansions because its just less, we have fun pvping but were not trying to make r1 we just wanna get better then we were last season for example but it feels like the progession of this game is either you play like a god or your fried. the harder this game wants everything to be complex the harder its gonna be for people to wanna casually have fun there is no such thing as a fun drunk que sesh with the boys on the weekend that also means no community or whatever you wanna call it of casuals filling the brackets for more mmr to go around we need the mid brackets to be filled with the regulars that like the game and just wanna play after work or something the term casual has become a scary thing and it shouldnt we need more we need simpler game play and design we need more accessible content, nobody thats played this game for 100s of hours should be struggling to clear content if you put in 100 hours in any game you probably know the game pretty well all except for wow. Also bring back pve gear in pvp its a mmo and we need to let the bg heroes stomp in reg bgs with they heroic pve gear so they feel strong enough to que into those 1800-2k games that also works as a gatekeep for people a little lower so they arent fighting r1 and glads like they are now
Blizzard needs to track & adjust inflation accordingly. Having a glad mount people are excited for to sure helps to, which isn’t really the case this season. So people just hitting up blitz and will just use their Legion or Dragonflight glad mounts, till a cool one is put out there to draw in more players. Part of the problem about the current system is, when not enough people are playing in a given season, suddenly it’s multi glads fighting for just duelist 2100… for like the first month or two. But here we are 8 weeks in with inflation in 3v3. Almost a full 1000 rating lower blitz/solo shuffle (where everyone is playing atm). Most of us honestly lost our awesome pvp friends… and pve’ers don’t really want to ever play when I ask them , they have mythic plus keys to run… so now just wandering around town alone but wanting to pvp with people hopefully around one’s given skill level… so only options are solo shuffle or blitz. Because that’s where the bulk of the pvper’s are. You seen the rated bg search? There’s fucking 6 dudes selling RBG rating (how that’s still a thing idk), and maybe two to three yolo’s and all but one will likely be 2100+ only players allowed. Something to that extent…. For a person trying to get into pvp; the only shows in town are solo shuffle and blitz atm…. The rated bg scene has been on the decline, but solo rated blitz really took a huge amount of those players…
I super agree with the rewards thing. Right now, if you LOVE 2s, shuffle, blitz, you don't get shit. Blizzard is basically just gambling that if you play these modes, you do it purely for the joy of playing - which is fine, if you're a super diehard fan - but some cool rewards would not only incentivize more players to Q, but it would also incentivize people to keep playing to earn their rewards for the season.
And yeah, the MMR thing sucks ass.
I endured way too much frustration, i gave up 3 weeks ago and just thinking that i have to log up and wait 20-30 mins to even play just to get fucked by ferals or rogues or sp or an npc bm hunt and just to get stuck at 2200 till they think that its time to let some people progress deters me from even opening the battle app, its all a waste of time with no fun at all. And as a surv hunter i had to wait 1.5 months to even get core mechanics fixed, that company does not deserve a cent nor a minute from me or other players that used to love the pvp experience
I would argue they know exactly what they're doing and they do it intentionally to allow boosters to sell boosts. Means more game copies sold for Blizzard, tokens, etc. Then once they've made enough money in the season from all the boosting they will magically "fix" it.
I got 95% of all seasonal rewards (2k rating) in shuffle in 60 rounds, took me like, a week. The next thing I could get is 3v3 glad mount but its so far away that there's really no point, i'd have to be a top 10 warrior in NA to get glad, that would take me probably 50x as much time as it took to get everything else and I would probably not even be able to get there, so I just quit.
I did some 2s with a friend last week. We were about 1300 after 50 fights with 50% win rate, but 15% of our losses were against a glad level chad with a carry, and another 15% against 2 smurfs. 4 of our wins were against people lowering their score by not moving. So 60% of our losses were vs matchups we should never get.
That's very offputting and we don't plan in doing any pvp until they fix this smurfing bullshit. That's a huge problem pvp streamers conveniently forget, probably because most of them profit from it.
Appreciate you making this video Ven! I uninstalled TWW after the most recent PvP update shortly after the drop of 11.0.5 because I had a 3 part realization: A.) Blizzard consistently struggles with PvP balancing to a point where there is always a true small group of “meta” specs and classes, B.) PvP gearing is in the best place its ever been in WoW history, completely removing barrier to entry for gearing alts fast, and C.) leveling alts is arguably the fastest its ever been to max level. This has created an environment where PvPers can capitalize on the regular imbalance of the PvP meta rapidly, filling up lower-to-mid tier MMR brackets with whatever is currently the best class, making the game increasingly difficult unless you join them. I told myself I will not re-install until one of the three components to this problem is fixed. Looking forward to seeing a video from you soon telling us to come back!
I quit months ago when I got suspended for "trash talking" a few times in solo shuffle matches. I never directly cussed, but definitely went out of my way to trash talk.
And then having the game feel so dead even though I see players everywhere (or maybe bots?), but nobody wants to speak because they might offend someone and get suspended.
I'll never return to WoW again because of their excessive censorship. But what really irks me is most of these people aren't really offended. They just see it as an opportunity to report because they enjoy seeing others get punished. They are the adult version of elementary school children tattletales.... snitches.
Giving up? Try past tense, given up. Games done.
I agree and have been vocal about this since Legion / Pre-Patch BFA (when rated rewards changed to the current hard rating threshold reward structure): Adding more incentive to playing other brackets would be a massive boon. Rewards that are account wide and earnable from all brackets cause everyone to flock to whichever mode has the most efficient acquisition. Some people I know and have played with say the rewards should be more exclusive to make the reward feel more unique/valuable (old-school game design), but I feel that having a wider variety of rewards across the different thresholds and brackets is better for the overall health of PvP. Shifting rewards further and further down the ladder is a good "bandage solution", but it leads to the current issue: low incentive to push for higher rating when it seemingly is an unreachable goal and not worth the effort/attempt. I think Gladiator should be achievable in both 2s and 3s, whereas solo shuffle and blitz should award an equivalent type of mount reward (either a recolor or their own seasonal model that gets reskinned and recolored every season) so that there is a unique capstone difference between solo and premade group PvP. Additionally Blizzard really needs to do away with rating throttling via MMR because as Venruki has pointed out time and time again, MMR incentivizes existing within a season instead of actively playing throughout the season; hurting active seasonal participation as well as motivation for average players to try or participate in PvP. If Blizzard needs any ideas for new rewards to potentially include here are a few: faction / armor type sets to be unlocked from rated 10v10 and blitz, token to unlock previously available seasonal rewards (perhaps only 1 per account per season to avoid the same issue that occurred in BFA where PvPers would accumulate a max of 8 vicious saddles per season), prestige banners similar to those given from the seasonal legend achievement and honor levels (originally added via the prestige system during Legion), an expansion themed version of the artifact weapons to provide a class specific flare reward, seasonal toys such as the flag of ownership, non armor type specific armor cosmetics, faction themed / seasonal hearth stones, and warband login screens.