This is the only season where only AWC winning players were the ones to achieve glad 2 months into it, this has never happened before and Blizzard doing all those rating and mmr caps and shenanigans were the reason for it. I remember back in SL people (including me) used to get Glad week 1 if they were good enough, now we (multi glad players) are shitty Duelist players. I'm sorry I only PvP "for the fun of it" if I'm on the appropriate ranking
The reddit comment was right lmao. Venruki being in denial because he is part of the problem.This isn't an MMR thing. High ranked arena streamers and players just spent all time sucking eachother off and playing among themselves when the pvp playerbase is dwindling away slowly over the years instead of playing with beginners and fostering newcomers. And well cool, you are rank 1 for 15 years in a row against no competition except some other awc teams or streamers that have nothing else to do except queing arena all day. And now you can brag to your 100 viewers that you got all the glad mounts while completely ignoring that you help kill the very scene you try to make money off of.
I watched a frost dk streamer and he keeps flaming like crazy all stream long. Then i love to hear that hes isnt in a good place mentally, bitch stop going crazy over 1 mistake every time and youll be fine ! high ranked player base is toxic af. Im glad the pvp is dying.
@@matthewt1885 Exactly why does this guy expect more from the people competing and making video,/streaming. They're already doing their part, they're making content. "Nurture newcomers" as if the AWC players need to do coaching sessions and that'll fix everything lol. Placing blame anywhere outside of Blizzard and their ineptitude is just an L take.
@@matthewt1885 They dont care, I mean I dont care pvp dying. So in the end, what's next ? If you dont care yall playing the same few players every time, then fine, dont do shiat about it. Im glad its in the state and I hope, cause of that shitty ass mentality that it gets emptier and emptier by the day lol my petty ass gonna get updated on that FOR SURE !
@@s.r.1048 That has to be the most L take ever. Content ? Tf you mean "content" they serve you one tierlist every now and then and maybe one class guide per expansion. Outside of that they just serve you recycled stream clips with clickbait titles. Amazing. Also we arent talking about coaching sessions. Most people dont need coaching sessions, they need competent people to play with. The amount of people that give up on pvp because their only experience in non shuffle/blitz pvp is the toxicity and horrid level of lfg is something to take into consideration. That aint blizzards fault. That is 100% the players fault. They can't do more than give you a way to try and get teammates. And when you got a platform, skills, a long list of competent teammates and over 10 hours a day because you are a streamer, so basically unemployed, you can't complain that pvp is dieing, when all you do is play with the same people all day so you can namedrop them in your next video taken unedited from your stream. Especially if you are actively trying to make a living out of it. Because neither awc nor streaming nor content are going to get your far when it only appeals to 50 people.
Ah yes the inevitable "everybody is quitting pvp" to be closely followed by "why is everybody quitting" and to book end the trilogy with "how blizzard can fix pvp" then we start the ride all over again.
@@SYLXM I dont understand what this comment has to do with mine. You can easily go thru Venruki's back log of videos and see he has these posted throughout each patch cycle, my comment doesnt state a dislike or a like of the video itself it simply states a fact. Ill just assume the clown emoji was placed there as a place holder for this L you were going to inevitably hold.
@@aryelsilva5170 once again, like the person above, where is the hate? my original comment doesnt state that I neither like nor dislike the vid it just states a fact, as you point out yourself.
What I find funny is that he won't call them out when he knows they're a problem. He has a big voice and a big platform, perhaps vennyboi is hiding the info of who it is due to he'd get called out as well. Rats hang out with rats after all.
@@CalculatorTI89 of course.. so many pros with small sized stream audiences, there's no way they are paying the bills with just the stream.. all those websites advertising boosts, who do you think does it.. not the 1800 players.. and there's only a handful of those top tier players nowadays like you said 100%
@@palfotta Go play healer, 0 que time. So easy... problem is healer is most unfun thing to play in pvp and blizzard just refuse to do something about it.
Honestly, I think the best way to build up the PVP community is to focus on battlegrounds and building up the casual base again and then they would leak into 3v3 and 2v2
@@wowwt Its a good take actually. Most people just want to play, and Random BGs is still HUGELY popular. The problem is people dont want to sweat to earn conquest. If you got 300 conq per bg win, arena would be dead over night. Blizzard are trying toooo hard to cater to a minor percentage of the player base.
You cant build this Game by giving alot of Ques or fixing mmr or any of that Stuff .. People dont play cause the Game and Class Designe is bad thats just the honest Truth!! Wotlk,Cata,Mop worked cause it felt so satisfying to press Spells,Abitliies and Stuff the feeling of Charging someone putting them in a full Shockwave or Thorwdown and then pop Recklessnes the Oldschool one and stomp them you cant compare that to Legion till Retail Today its just a differente World like Night and Day..
It's so obvious their current team just had PVP thrown at them with no clue how to handle it. The fact that they waited until 75% of SS players quit to fix the rating cap is insane. Now they have a 20 pt rating gain cap per blitz win too. They expect us to sit in 20 min queues at 1600 beating 2400 mmr teams for 19-20 rating and 58 conq.
@@williamromero6177 I'm a healer, but felt so bad for this warrior in my group who had sat in a 30 min queue just for our other healer to go to an inactive base in EOTS at the start. Even as a healer my queue times are 12-25 mins though.
Only clue they have is to sell the wow tokens by millions. Why do you think ingame chat is hyper spammed with boost run advertising. They create toxic content with raid and dungeon mechanics where 1 player can wipe the group. This result not increased team spirit but anxiety and toxicity. And ppl are tough to loot addiction until you cant get anymore. Then you buy the tokens and join boost runs. Blizzard say token was needed to fight the 3rd party gold sellers. Guess what the boosters sell the gold on 3rd party websites cheaper and faster than tokens. Most of wow economy is run by 3rd party and token gold becouse professions are worthless doesnt matter if you make or buy stuff from ah there is no profit unless you have all gathering and producing professions on multiple chars.
Raids were super easy back in BFA, so Blizzard made raids really hard starting with Shadowlands, and people bailed. M+ was really easy back in Dragonflight, so Blizzard made M+ really hard starting with TWW, and people bailed. Blizzard's ultimate goal seems to be to drive people away from all content, and make the content accessible only to sweatlords.
Worst part about blitz is bad brackets, you gain nothing when you have to high rating but lose alot if you lose. This should not be possible in my opinion. I'll happily play with noobs but not at the cost of my rating with nothing to gain.
This is just a problem with MMR, even in chess the players face the same concerns with losing ranking to players who are definitely capanle of winming, but are lower ranked.
Gate keeping is real, Even for you R1's half the spots are the same person on multiple Alts taking all the R1 where they have 2-3+ alts in the same and other classes.
Every spec (besides tanks) should have at least 10 R1 spots in shuffle. (This also is beneficial for people who play main specs, because fotm specs always have more spots) Such an easy improvement to implement
@@fogismaximus characaters on the same account cannot take up extra glad spots. The system just adds extra R1 spots if the same account has multiple characters at that rating.
Dude, I'm in the same situation as you, I play with friends and we've already caught A LOT of gladiators together, but today, 2 months after starting the season, we're banging our heads against the wall at 1950 or 2000 rating. It doesn't make sense!
@@skedge1 1800-2100 in shuffle feels like a joke to me right now. Just because someone is on a glad mount doesn't mean they know how to play on that spec
What, if anything, can be done about this? You know what changes are needed. We know what changes are needed. they know it. but they just will not do it. It's been ages since these issues have been crumbling the pvp community, yet nothing is being done. LFG groups have vanished, rank 1 and multi-glads are terrorizing lower rated players on their 10th alts. It just feels like the best answer is to quit honestly.
@Jsten16 It’s cool that you’re the exception but nobody is having fun except for you. I was playing around where you are about 3 weeks ago and all of my friends quit. Having to fight awc players to get our duelist weapons was the stopping point for the season. You can keep bootlicking though, you’re good at it.
this is very real, today I started the team as an alt (I'm mult-glad), and in the 1600 mmr I got several glads! Now imagine this for a pvp beginner? There's no sense of progression, the guy will just think he's shit and give up.
@Jsten16 The two scenarios here are 1. You have the best luck out of everyone that has played the game this season 2. You’re lying Really sounds like you’re an addict trying to rationalize playing this dumpster fire of a game.
Funniest part is when you face awc teams at 1600-1700. I still feel one of the biggest problem is cr gains with mmr. If you are playing 1000 mmr over your cr you should be getting big cr gains. I have seen people playing 1000 mmr higher and still get the same cr gains as if you were 100 mmr over. Getting 20 cr being 500-1000 mmr over your cr is the problem in my opinion.
@@Dgreatest32 yeah, i play yesterday in 1700, vs najh, 2 times, i been facing people getting out with his glad mounts... i face pikaboo 3 times in this xpac, i face glad people in all seasons, and they are on 1.6 / 1.7 / 1.8... that people have to be on his rating, not 1000mmr less
@@Dgreatest32 It's not often but, it does happen. Definitely have played against a handful of people with r1 titles. I get it people play alts. The definite reality is every match past 1700 is pretty much all 2400xp players riding glad mounts.
it's not just "the best players" its "the best players *of all time*" because they're the only ones still playing. they just need to move away from MMR entirely and move to a ladder system like in league of legends. Master > diamond > plat > gold > silver > bronze. Should all be relative to your peers in that sense. The question would be what % of players should be getting glad per season roughly? Somewhere around top 10%
league also has mmr just doesnt show it and divisions works almost just like rating, what we need is rewards not to be attached so much to rating that depends external factors like player population/blizz random caps, we should have every season something like a pvp renown system that can be achieved by both casuals and hardcores, and probably let rating go up until AWC players fight themselves at 3k mmr and let most hardcore around 2400 so glad mounts are somewhat achievable, and prob more mount recolors for blitz and shuffle,
The only real difference between LoL's and WoW's rank system is that WoW has visual rating that tries to match your MMR rating. LoL does the same except instead of showing 1800 rating on your 2v2 interface it says you're Gold 3 or something. I prefer WoW's more abstract and 'true' rating than LoL's obscured system.
@@QPoily it's all relative to the player base tho where as wow's is not. That's they key If a R1 is 2200 one season and 3100 another season then that's an issue. In LoL that player would just be Master Tier. Which is how it should be
I said it since shadowlands and will say it again: the mmr and reward system in wow needs a complete rework asap. They're basically discouraging people, even hardcore pvpers, to a point rn where they're just quitting pvp or even the game itself... they know this since years, but won't make any changes. I have the feeling it's on purpose, cuz they can't be that dumb and incompetent. Just my theory and 2 cents.
@@camvalence I'm not sure what you mean as in successful? That system invites many boosters that literally destroy the ladder, Hearthstone is an exception because it isn't a team game. but for League of Legends every skilled player complains about the boosted players stuck in Diamond IV and have a much more enjoyable experience in Emerald I since those players are actually good.
I bought some 16oz mtn dews, started submitting codes, was timed out for the final one because they have a limit on how many you can submit in a day. Next day my mnt dew account was suspended. It’s been a week and no reply from support. 🤣
Out of the top 20 characters in the US there are only 12 individual players. It averages out to around 30% of all characters in the top 100 are alts. This is a major issue.
@mil_ko6843 Other people don't want to fight bigdam on his 60th alt. It has nothing to do with them not wanting to learn. But I wouldn't expect a tiny brained Russian to understand that.
the game is really in such a great spot which cant be glossed over. We finally can sit in the city and queue what we want without pressure to do pve, reps, etc. Thats why this whole rating issue is that much more perplexing because it seems like such an easy thing to fix after all the hard work has been done to fix the more major problems of the past.
I super disagree with the take about rewards being the driver. Pvp has always been the game mode where people just play because they love the competition. What needs to change is the community's outlook towards flaming mistakes. All the gatekeepers pushed the newer, more casual players away with their toxicity and now they're all looking around complaining no one wants to play with them. Y'all did it to yourselves. You want activity to go up? Stop being so toxic when someone makes mistakes. None of us play perfect, without exception. Be more forgiving and you'll see the activity pick back up slowly over many months/years. And yes, ratings deflation should be corrected, but that's not the driver of why the pvp community is so small
I agree with this. I have devolved to having more fun in casual BGs with friends! The rewards seem more like a burden these days. I really feel that the competitive side of PvP could be helped by better rating and queuing systems. Looking for groups and getting rejected as a new or higher rank player has always left a bad taste in my mouth. It's hard to pick WoW PvP, sitting in a 20 min que for a short 3v3, over just playing another game that respects my time as a person more. I sink a ton of time in games, but the way I do it is different now and I don't feel respected by the current systems in my long beloved game WoW!
Nah thaths just partially true. The rating diff and not being able to get their rewards is def the core problem for 3s right now. And i was saying it back in DF already when it was literally the same issue. Not only do you have less participation bc most people give up before it has even started but the few left who try to progress will end up in huge toxicity just by nature as a result of this problem that creates this toxicity because people cant forgive mistakes because they can hardly climb and get anywhere near they want to be. It all snowballs. There were way more participation in PvP (3s) etc when PvE'ers needed to do PvP in order to get some gear from PvP. That was the case in some Xpac i remember at the start of SL for example. We need those PvE'ers back in PvP for a healthier PvP mmr. Idk how much Blizzard can do about the Rating/Mrr if theres not much participation but they definetly did some mistakes that lead to the current situation.
I was about to say that arena players aren't that toxic, but then I remember how plenty of arena streamers like to go full on trash talk mode about their teammates, especially in solo shuffle. Honestly, it feels like Solo Shuffle introduced more toxicity into WoW PvP than there was before. At least before the expectation of using voice was there and helped curb most of the little trash talkers from talking shit.
You sound like such a bitch, jesus christ man come on. Its a game why do you care so much somebody flames you for a mistake, thats the competitive spirit, even if they dont say it they think it anyway. ITS A GAME stop taking it so personal. Bitch.
Agree with all of it. Complete rating overhaul is needed! Rewards need to be actually achievable by more casual players so more people want to play pvp. Tabards and titels for the best of the best. 'glad' mounts at 2100 throughout all brackets etc...
No, just the sweatlords do. PVP will always be about asserting dominance on the other bastard, preferably in a 1v1 situation with equal gear and skill and in the most humiliating way possible, and Blizzard can't do anything to change that experience lest remove PVP entirely. The sweatlords and ratings chasers are what's wrong with PVP in this game and in every game that has PVP. I always hate it how the PVP experience in a newly released game is so fun until the sweatlords arrive and then it turns into a meta-chasing cringefest of tryharding and smurfing and the game starts getting balanced to cater not to the vast majority of players engaged in PVP, but to the 1% of players who are sweatlords and tryhards. So GOOD RIDDANCE, I say.
Just add rewards to each bracket as they did in Shadowlands. They had a good system in shadowlands... and it worked.. there was alot of pve players who wanted to get some achievements and tmogs from shadowlands pvp
"Team Building Fun" in 3v3 no longer exists.... People don't have friends anymore and we all want to play when we can. Solo shuffle needs to switch to 1 round and we will see SO MANY MORE PLAYERS. CHANGE SOLO SHUFFLE TO 1 ROUND ONLY! Bad RnG group? Too bad, it's over after one round and reque....
How it should of been from the beginning. But blizzards ego got in the way and they had to put their own spin on it rather than making it how tr had it
Also started to notice, i'm 1900-2000 on two shuffle characters, I wait 25 min for a que when I get in there's a 600 demo lock and a 947 CR healer or something and it completely skews the game. Either they're hard losing or a full smurf and either way you're usually going 3-3 or losing rating... can't even field an across the board 1900 cr shuff game
it's so messed, I'm main healer this seasson to get faster queues, in shuffle I burn everycd, cc, play around pillar, trying to the the basics, and in 1600 people still insta die. EVERY TIME, it's insta die, and them people rage on me and all, but wtf 1600 people doing dmg like 2400, it feels super hard to play =-=
Mythic + 😂😂😂😂 the fact they had to bring all that out just shows the games fucked. Back in the day it was heroic then mythic came out now u have have mythic +20 it's so fucking stupid the game needs a hard reset it's a total mess min/max shit used to be such a fun game. If u want a real mmorpg journey play classic so much better then retail shit
@@Imperyon you are being declined because you play an expendable role - dps. It’s the same with real life where if you have an unimportant role in your job and you don’t bring much to the table you are considered expendable.
@@nobodyspecial596 it’s actually not a total mess and mythic+ is a challenge that requires immense understanding of your class and the interactions between objects and activities in the game
@@neptune7426 Yeah but this is a game that I'm paying for, so the company that sells me the game should put in a lot of effort to make me believe that I'm not in the real world anymore.
I was talking to my mate about this and I feel like one of the things that sucks is that no one uses trade chat to find team mates anymore. Which is a big deal for oceanic players because there is a lot of people who want to pvp but go to lfg and see no one quing and just give up but I would bet that if you made a new chat where people can't advertise people would start quing more at oce times and that connection to players on your realm would come back
The fact that healing never got adjusted in blitz is just a testament that the devs do not play PvP at all. The strongest strategy to win blitz is to either ignore the team fight entirely, or have a DK drag a healer away from the team fight.
Its not that they're quitting... Ban's are also up 2000%. Been playing this game since OG TBC, and never had bans, but have received two bans (14 day, then 21 day) for things such as "Why are you in mid". People are abusing the report system and blizz won't appeal any of the tickets. 4 of my friends all have received bans in the past month for very minor chat offenses.
I've enjoyed blitz the most, because I can actually get the rewards. Every time I step into arena it's just a huge drag, knowing that if I want to get the top end rewards via arena, I'll literally have to be facing AWC teams/players. This is NOT how the system should be. Access to rewards brings in players! I think we're nearing the final nail in the coffin for casual PvPers transitioning into rated content. Blitz is a step in the right direction, but I'm worried they're going to cap MMR next season like every other mode and prevent players from getting the top end rewards. I'll stay optimistic, but Blizzards track record with PvP lately has not been good, so I'm not expecting much. Very sad.
I spent two hours for a rated bg que to pop. Only for our team to get absolutely smoked and my rating left unchanged. Not to mention the negligible amount of conquest points you get to even try and gear up. It’s not hard to figure out whats wrong with pvp unfortunately.
I haven’t felt the need to push at all this season. I basically just do enough solo shuffle to keep my gear up to date and am waiting out the end of the season to do my 2400 push.
Blizzaaard never understand this. We have +3K 3S xp RLD team, (I'm first time rog, Multi R1 Warrrior) we are sitting at 2.3cr rn, facing with only Multi R1 players, i mean full Multi R1 teams, not only 1 rank 1, 2 glad etc. This game is complately dead about pvp, no one can push. Meta is also stupid people abusing BloodDk+BmHunter+MistMonk. They didnt nerf BM, didnt nerf Frost Mage, didnt nerf Evoker sustain damage or mobility, didnt nerf mage, didnt nerf feral, didnt buff warrior, didnt buff enha defensive, didnt buff boomy defensive, didnt buff restro druid, didnt buff restro shaman, didnt buff dk, they overtune unh nerf need %5 buff minimum, they didnt buff dh, didnt buff fire mage, mmr is garbage people keep quiting. Absolutely terrible managing. Amazin bad manage again and again and again.
PvP Mount change idea here 1600 Yellow Mount 1800 Purple Mount 2000 Green Mount 2200 Red Mount 2400 Golden Mount Rank 1 title still 0.5% in 3v3 All mount colors can be earned in ANY Solo bracket, RBG’s, and 3v3…You can also earn all colors in 2v2 except 2400…Blizz needs to make a solid/cool looking mount every PvP season, and that will incentivize players to stick around to earn various colors of that mount… We all wanted that Rank 1 Red PvP mount from Dragon Flight S1 …As it stands now, I know I’ll NEVER get a gladiator mount… So I give up after reaching 1800 each season, and that’s one less person queuing in the ladder part of the season… As a boomer gamer dad and having a lot more gaming option now, having mounts I can farm for would keep me and other people motivated longer in each season for goals that are actually obtainable…Instead of just the top 0.5% of the player base
My problem is how wildly long it takes to get conquest compared to honor. You have to wait significantly longer to play, so you can earn significantly less currency... Blizzard does it to themselves. I remember reaching my conquest cap back in MoP on my monk in a few hours, after having a HUGE cap. You used to get so much conquest per win back then, it was awesome. Now I have to wait for shuffle to pop, win most matches and get like 100 and something conquest. It is crazy.
My "giving up" is timed to the rest of my current sub. ends this month, if they don't announce a massive MMR injection (like 500+ rating or something completely stupid in 3s) I am done with the expansion. Already got Elite, already got Grand Marshall, don't care about farming Strategist or Legend - Only glad. If Glad remains reserved for AWC players, I won't come back.
Is it still really easy to spot a boost in progress? I quit ages ago because of boosting, I would get prompted to check for it through my gameplay experience. Say I had a super close game with 3 (Legitimate Gladiators, I would check) and managed to just barely squeeze out a win against them (Confirming to myself that I belong playing against them), then the next game I get absolutely stomped by no-name players with no achievements and it's not even close, so I used to go to the wow ladder and check their profile and you could check previous seasons and the win/loss of that season and all their achievements. So through that, it was obvious when a player was being boosted. I found the door to Gladiator was gatekept by boosters so I quit playing out of resentment.
if you spend even 10% of your "Playtime" in queues it raises question of wasting time. There are so many games where you press button and get into a match near instantly.
Probably this comment goes to void but i still want to express my concerns. At 14:39 you exactly summarized up the problem, i played at 2600 mmr, 80 games with a really good win rating. But I only get +18-23 rating per wins, and I couldn't reach my mmr in 90 games which is ridiculous amount of WAITING IN QUEUE. And then i had an 5 lose winstreak when my mmr dropped 300 immediately and now game i am pretty much stuck unless i get insanely lucky or carry hard which is not easy on arms warrior. Next to a 9-5 job it is fcking impossible to invest this amount of time to wait in queue (now 9-13 minutes at least after their bad fix) and then i play 7-10 minutes. 66% of my gametime is queue, i played 1800 minutes to get those 90 games. 30 hours and i couldn't do any arena or play alt or anything. Imagine the amount of players who would queue with more toons, or just queue more if they would be rewarded with RATING they actually deserve cus their MMR is good.
Gladiator should be out of reach for most. And to be clear when he said back in the day arena was only the top .5% he was right but there were a ton of battlegroups it wasn't as hard to get as he is making it out to be.
@@snosan highly deppents on the battle group i guess they where not at all balanced so in some it would be easier to get than other simple of the fact that les top players are in them
i think one of the biggest things they could do is make it to where u get seasonal mount or transmog when you hit maybe 500 rating then when you hit 1000 rating you get something else if the provide more rewards to players earlier in rating they will more then likely want to continue playing. the reason i got into pep was for the saddle mount is had miss and making me have to farm the current season then get a saddle afterword's is a lot of effort so they could also allow you to pick but just some thoughts
I agree and have been vocal about this since Legion / Pre-Patch BFA (when rated rewards changed to the current hard rating threshold reward structure): Adding more incentive to playing other brackets would be a massive boon. Rewards that are account wide and earnable from all brackets cause everyone to flock to whichever mode has the most efficient acquisition. Some people I know and have played with say the rewards should be more exclusive to make the reward feel more unique/valuable (old-school game design), but I feel that having a wider variety of rewards across the different thresholds and brackets is better for the overall health of PvP. Shifting rewards further and further down the ladder is a good "bandage solution", but it leads to the current issue: low incentive to push for higher rating when it seemingly is an unreachable goal and not worth the effort/attempt. I think Gladiator should be achievable in both 2s and 3s, whereas solo shuffle and blitz should award an equivalent type of mount reward (either a recolor or their own seasonal model that gets reskinned and recolored every season) so that there is a unique capstone difference between solo and premade group PvP. Additionally Blizzard really needs to do away with rating throttling via MMR because as Venruki has pointed out time and time again, MMR incentivizes existing within a season instead of actively playing throughout the season; hurting active seasonal participation as well as motivation for average players to try or participate in PvP. If Blizzard needs any ideas for new rewards to potentially include here are a few: faction / armor type sets to be unlocked from rated 10v10 and blitz, token to unlock previously available seasonal rewards (perhaps only 1 per account per season to avoid the same issue that occurred in BFA where PvPers would accumulate a max of 8 vicious saddles per season), prestige banners similar to those given from the seasonal legend achievement and honor levels (originally added via the prestige system during Legion), an expansion themed version of the artifact weapons to provide a class specific flare reward, seasonal toys such as the flag of ownership, non armor type specific armor cosmetics, faction themed / seasonal hearth stones, and warband login screens.
Blizzard needs to track & adjust inflation accordingly. Having a glad mount people are excited for to sure helps to, which isn’t really the case this season. So people just hitting up blitz and will just use their Legion or Dragonflight glad mounts, till a cool one is put out there to draw in more players. Part of the problem about the current system is, when not enough people are playing in a given season, suddenly it’s multi glads fighting for just duelist 2100… for like the first month or two. But here we are 8 weeks in with inflation in 3v3. Almost a full 1000 rating lower blitz/solo shuffle (where everyone is playing atm). Most of us honestly lost our awesome pvp friends… and pve’ers don’t really want to ever play when I ask them , they have mythic plus keys to run… so now just wandering around town alone but wanting to pvp with people hopefully around one’s given skill level… so only options are solo shuffle or blitz. Because that’s where the bulk of the pvper’s are. You seen the rated bg search? There’s fucking 6 dudes selling RBG rating (how that’s still a thing idk), and maybe two to three yolo’s and all but one will likely be 2100+ only players allowed. Something to that extent…. For a person trying to get into pvp; the only shows in town are solo shuffle and blitz atm…. The rated bg scene has been on the decline, but solo rated blitz really took a huge amount of those players…
I mean its pretty bad atm, exclusively. Look how long BM hunters are just ruining the experience for others. Yet blizzard is so slow to react, its just left alone. Whatever manager, or system they use for "Balancing" Clearly needs to be more correctly addressed because this themetic happens every patch, every xpac, they need to stop being lazy
@@fullmetalscotsman1306 BM is just the current class with the outrageous issue. It changes per xpac/patch of course. But has no reason to last so long without being brought in line. Classes should have gives and takes. If you're a ranged class, who has the advantage of using ranged and Pets, (Melee and Range) With a mortal strike. While also having amazing mobility and surviability. Its a god class. Ontop of this, normally if a class like this existed, the trade off would need to be "extremely high skill cap to play" but of course, BM hunter is the lowest of the low in terms of mechanical skill.
Ven you probably won’t see this, but I’ve considered making a UA-cam video myself but then I get discouraged thinking nobody will see it. I have a few fixes curious to get your opinion on. As you pointed out there are 3600 3s games played compared to 10x that in SS. Don’t you think that were just spread too thin and that’s why MMR continues to stagnate? I believe we need to get rid of SS, Blitz, add solo queue to 2s/3s//RBG. Meaning you can queue solo or in groups for any PvP content. Just like most other matchmaking games. This would incentivize team play but also make it accessible for all. A reason the queue times are so long is that you’re waiting for SIX matches to occur. With the above mentioned you’d be waiting on 1 game to occur. Thoughts?!?
I got 95% of all seasonal rewards (2k rating) in shuffle in 60 rounds, took me like, a week. The next thing I could get is 3v3 glad mount but its so far away that there's really no point, i'd have to be a top 10 warrior in NA to get glad, that would take me probably 50x as much time as it took to get everything else and I would probably not even be able to get there, so I just quit.
2s bracket is in absolute shambles. On EU at ~2K cr, end of week 8, that is top 2.2% of the ladder. Absurd. 2400 isn't even obtainable in that bracket really, 13 characters are over 2400 in 2s as we speak - 11 accounts (2 are alts of the same person). 6 specs represented in those 13 slots.
I endured way too much frustration, i gave up 3 weeks ago and just thinking that i have to log up and wait 20-30 mins to even play just to get fucked by ferals or rogues or sp or an npc bm hunt and just to get stuck at 2200 till they think that its time to let some people progress deters me from even opening the battle app, its all a waste of time with no fun at all. And as a surv hunter i had to wait 1.5 months to even get core mechanics fixed, that company does not deserve a cent nor a minute from me or other players that used to love the pvp experience
i Canceled my membership yesterday, i won't give them my money for the terrible pvp state we have with 0 fix and ultra op classes versus ultra undertuned classes.
Changing mmr around wont make new people play such a complex title with a community that has no desire to teach anyone anything. This game has the problem that fighting games do but has significantly more bullshit to do before even getting the meat of the game play you want to play and learn. Add in garbage queue times in a modern age where peoples attention are pulled in a million directions and its a wrap. No matter what blizzard does they wont draw back any meaningful population to stop the bleed.
Wow pvp is done anyway, every addon/season same shit problems. Give it up and enjoy other games who are worth your time. I hit my elite and im done, the queue times make me just sick and zhe balance is horrible
I just don't like playing against rank 1 players as a casual player. Never happened in any other game only wow. I have bumped into many top tier players while geared in honor gear getting stomped because they are boosting a character
You mean the rewards that are meant to be hard to get are actually hard??? Shocker! For real tho, game has never been easier. Frankly it's where it should be only a small portion of the community should be able to get 2400. Any other take is just cope.
this is absolutely braindead. im a 15xglad and 4xR1... currently the only players with glad this season are ALL R1 players. It should not be impossible to get glad unless you're on par with AWC players. Odds are you've never been 2400 and are projecting as if you have been, because nobody has this take thats actually up at 2500-2700 right now.
@@RhodesianSuperiority It's not impossible to get. The game is literally is at it's easiest. 2400 now might as well be 1500 back in mop prideful. They've lowered the requirement of EVERY rated reward. Elite sets were 2.2, they lowered it to 2k then 1800. Glad mounts are given away for free now Enchant is 1950 (Was 2700, then 2400 then 2100) By every metric these rewards are easier to get. You're probably just a salty 1400 andy.
@@prod7906 you just dont play 3v3 and probably have never been above 2100 in anything other than bgb unless you played ret in DFS2. 2400 is currently less than 250 players. Nobody cares about your BG blitz rating that you got 2400 for the first time in your life lmao because thats the only game mode currently where its easy to get 2400 so you're self reporting hard asf. I got glad in every season of mop lol it was WAY more inflated and way easier to get to the % cutoff back then than it is to just get 50 wins above 2400 in 3v3 for TWW S1. The fact you think the glad mount is free this season, when less than 150 players IN THE ENTIRE NA REGION HAVE IT just goes to show you dont have it and probably dont have a single one. 1700+ people got glad in NA during prideful, 1800+ in EU. You very obviously did not play back then and did not get glad that season. Nobody cares that "rewards are easier overall" we're talking about glad being only AWC competitors and multi-R1s right now. But based on your arguments you got your first 2400 in bg blitz (it doesnt count by the way, im 3k mmr sitting 2800cr in bgb, its a joke) and now you want to gatekeep even though you dont even play the 3v3 bracket lmao dont bother replying im not reading anymore trash takes from 1800 players boosted by bgb thinking they are actually 2400+ skilled players.
@@prod7906 you lack the very basic reading comprehension to see that I said "impossible ...unless..." im not arguing with someone whos first 2400 xp is from BGB and the take that 2400 is easier than 1500 in prideful tells me everything i need to know. Have a good day thinking that you're on par with R1s because you got bgb 2400 for the first time ever omegalul so carried
Here’s the thing with rating. 3s and 2s are dead in comparison to solo. Everyone thinks they want Blizz to “fix” rating, but if they make changes to address the rating it will spread the ready abysmal average of about 12-15k games per day across that much more of a spread. We end up right where we were in DF which was rank 1, streamers, glads all farming alts to stay at 1600-1700 and ruin peoples experience. All the problems actually get worse and pika is playing rogue for life in 1800 lobbies.
Yeah, I've seen rets (just on example) pressing no BoP, Sacrifice, Freedom or Sanctuary and go 6:0 in some SS lobbies. It has been all about damage lately.
yup i stopped playing just over a week ago... que times ... just so annoying not worth waiting... try to play a diff game while waiting or just do other stuff and sometimes miss que.. just yawn
Blizzard has no incentive to make a mount for shuffle or anything else achievement wise for free anymore. Why would they make a mount just for player achievement, when they can sell one for $90? If anything, they have incentive to start charging you to buy the glad. mounts for $. Example: If you get glad, you unlock the ability to buy the mount now with money.
What they need to do is detach PvE and PvP class kits/specs, talents, and spells, and make healers heal less and being able only to sustain HP a little bit not to heal from 0% to 100% in seconds. Make a brand new class kit for each spec specifically for PvP and make it feel more like MOBA in BGs instead of Zerging.. There is just too much CC, and healers are also making PvP unfun. You almost kill someone 3 times but he is healed back up to full hp in seconds and then you die even though you would already defeat that person 3x if it wasn't for the healing. Each class and spec should have like 3-4 DPS spells, 1 defensive spell, 1 CC. Healers additionally 1 dispel, 1 single target heal, and maybe 1 HoT/AoE heal spell on longer cooldown. PvP using PvE class kits is just too advanced and too complicated for majority of players so PvP in WoW will never be popular as long as playing it is this hard. Classes in PvP need to be very simplistic. There is a reason why in PvP focused MMOs and MOBAs you only get a few spells.
Have the devs ever given us a reason for capping conquest each week? Or even capping MMR until later in the season? I understand that most of the WoW population plays PvE but the first week the Mythic+ season opened you saw so many of the mounts. I haven't seen a single glad mount this season yet.
If you don’t have unique rewards that attract ppl to PvP it doesn’t matter if you get the balance right cuz you gotta rebuild the base so there has to be incentive and do it at the lower end like battlegrounds
As a player that plays since BFA I always wanted to get into PVP but the amount of addons and shit to track in order to be able to play is just ridiculous and that's just the entry level, not to mention the class design issue in raid/m+/pvp...
I'll tell you exactly how the rating has to be. R1 players and top players generally should be 3k+ rating. GOOD players-teams should be 2700-3000 rating. Casual players that are good to their class 2300-2700. Every rated mode has to have access to GLAD MOUNT. (if Bliz want to have something different, they can do it via f stupid titles). Do this and ppl will be motivated 100% to play rated PvP.
always wanted gladiator, never pushed for it. i starting taking pvp seriously in shadowlands and that was my first proper season of playing 3s with 2 other mates. we ended our first season at 1600 just learning how to play and over time peaked at 2k. The real problems started in DF when we started noticing the we were taking steps back instead of progressing and now we casually do some shuffles and a few 2s cause we have accepted that gladiator will never be a thing for us. Sad but true.
I m casual and I reached my holy priest in solo at 1610 some days ago after a lot of hard work and talents testing and mistakes. I know if i push for more maybe i get to 1700+, but I dont feel it anymore. I m tired. I dont have energy, I feel exhausted. Every second game I was against a glad, an elite, a streamer with alt or similar. No friends who play anymore, I feel the game dying inside me, while playimg from 2007.
other issue is the cost of everything this expansion, if I want to gear a pvp alt with enchants gems etc. its like 500k in dragonflight it was 50k. after gearing for m+ and raids do I really want to buy 2 wow tokens just to play 3's for 2 weekends?
rating is an issue but the biggest issue is the long queue times in solo shuffle. I main healers and playing healer is absolutely frustrating in shuffle, sometimes i just want to play easy dps shuffles but i have to sit in 20 min queue's immediatly making me give up.
PVP is fun, but I feel like I struggle to get points, I have ended the last few weeks on a positive win ratio and I only go up 5 points for the week for 20 plus games (for the last 3 weeks)? Its frustrating, so now all I do is cap, then go do M+ as I dont really want to wait so long to get into a game.
I quit wow PVP early Dragon Flight, I forced myself to push 2100 with my priest and I was so glad to get it over with, haven’t PvPd since and I’ve been enjoying pve and getting rewards and leveling new characters.
i swear every season venruki makes one of these videos
negative videos get him more clicks ig
This is the only season where only AWC winning players were the ones to achieve glad 2 months into it, this has never happened before and Blizzard doing all those rating and mmr caps and shenanigans were the reason for it. I remember back in SL people (including me) used to get Glad week 1 if they were good enough, now we (multi glad players) are shitty Duelist players. I'm sorry I only PvP "for the fun of it" if I'm on the appropriate ranking
@@TheNubaHS i mean were you anywhere near glad? no. doesnt affect you
And its all justified to make
It’s every week now haha
The reddit comment was right lmao. Venruki being in denial because he is part of the problem.This isn't an MMR thing. High ranked arena streamers and players just spent all time sucking eachother off and playing among themselves when the pvp playerbase is dwindling away slowly over the years instead of playing with beginners and fostering newcomers.
And well cool, you are rank 1 for 15 years in a row against no competition except some other awc teams or streamers that have nothing else to do except queing arena all day. And now you can brag to your 100 viewers that you got all the glad mounts while completely ignoring that you help kill the very scene you try to make money off of.
I watched a frost dk streamer and he keeps flaming like crazy all stream long. Then i love to hear that hes isnt in a good place mentally, bitch stop going crazy over 1 mistake every time and youll be fine !
high ranked player base is toxic af. Im glad the pvp is dying.
it is not pro players respoonsibility to nurture the community. It's blizzard's business.
@@matthewt1885 Exactly why does this guy expect more from the people competing and making video,/streaming. They're already doing their part, they're making content. "Nurture newcomers" as if the AWC players need to do coaching sessions and that'll fix everything lol. Placing blame anywhere outside of Blizzard and their ineptitude is just an L take.
@@matthewt1885 They dont care, I mean I dont care pvp dying. So in the end, what's next ? If you dont care yall playing the same few players every time, then fine, dont do shiat about it. Im glad its in the state and I hope, cause of that shitty ass mentality that it gets emptier and emptier by the day lol my petty ass gonna get updated on that FOR SURE !
@@s.r.1048 That has to be the most L take ever.
Content ? Tf you mean "content" they serve you one tierlist every now and then and maybe one class guide per expansion. Outside of that they just serve you recycled stream clips with clickbait titles. Amazing.
Also we arent talking about coaching sessions. Most people dont need coaching sessions, they need competent people to play with. The amount of people that give up on pvp because their only experience in non shuffle/blitz pvp is the toxicity and horrid level of lfg is something to take into consideration. That aint blizzards fault. That is 100% the players fault. They can't do more than give you a way to try and get teammates.
And when you got a platform, skills, a long list of competent teammates and over 10 hours a day because you are a streamer, so basically unemployed, you can't complain that pvp is dieing, when all you do is play with the same people all day so you can namedrop them in your next video taken unedited from your stream.
Especially if you are actively trying to make a living out of it. Because neither awc nor streaming nor content are going to get your far when it only appeals to 50 people.
Blizzard is always a day late and a dollar short to do anything for pvp
Thats the exact Problem. Its so easy to keep this Game alive but blizz is fixxing Problems like 3 months later when no one care anymore
as a former hardcore pvper, i can tell u pvp is the least of their worries. they dont care because most ppl who play wow dont pvp.
Ah yes the inevitable "everybody is quitting pvp" to be closely followed by "why is everybody quitting" and to book end the trilogy with "how blizzard can fix pvp" then we start the ride all over again.
Have you considered not watch them? 🤡
@@SYLXM I dont understand what this comment has to do with mine. You can easily go thru Venruki's back log of videos and see he has these posted throughout each patch cycle, my comment doesnt state a dislike or a like of the video itself it simply states a fact. Ill just assume the clown emoji was placed there as a place holder for this L you were going to inevitably hold.
Regardless of your hate, this, unfortunately, is the truth.
@@aryelsilva5170 once again, like the person above, where is the hate? my original comment doesnt state that I neither like nor dislike the vid it just states a fact, as you point out yourself.
and here you are consuming it all...
I do wish they would perma ban elite boosters. That kind of pay to win steals rating from innocent players and should not be tolerated.
What I find funny is that he won't call them out when he knows they're a problem. He has a big voice and a big platform, perhaps vennyboi is hiding the info of who it is due to he'd get called out as well.
Rats hang out with rats after all.
@@CalculatorTI89 of course.. so many pros with small sized stream audiences, there's no way they are paying the bills with just the stream.. all those websites advertising boosts, who do you think does it.. not the 1800 players.. and there's only a handful of those top tier players nowadays like you said 100%
@@CalculatorTI89 Every time I have called them out in WoW forum - with evidence - I am the one who is silenced, and they continue the boosting.
@@CalculatorTI89 thats bc blizz the streamers and the boosters are the same ppl the cabal of wow and the premades are to
How do you even boost past 1600? After that, you need a somewhat reliable teammate
The hardest part is finding people, its almost impossible. 1 loss and people leave...
True
Solo Q is the only way to play PvP. Qtimes need help ASAP tho.
People don't want a challenge. They want the easy way up.
@@palfotta Go play healer, 0 que time. So easy... problem is healer is most unfun thing to play in pvp and blizzard just refuse to do something about it.
@@edijskocins1271 Everybody knows that (except Blizzard), ty.
Honestly, I think the best way to build up the PVP community is to focus on battlegrounds and building up the casual base again and then they would leak into 3v3 and 2v2
I second that! And stop mixing the top rank with people starting out cause they get turned off immediately
@ idk what to do about boosters but I quit cuz it’d be pros boosting someone for achievements every game
Awful take.
@@wowwt Its a good take actually. Most people just want to play, and Random BGs is still HUGELY popular. The problem is people dont want to sweat to earn conquest. If you got 300 conq per bg win, arena would be dead over night. Blizzard are trying toooo hard to cater to a minor percentage of the player base.
You cant build this Game by giving alot of Ques or fixing mmr or any of that Stuff .. People dont play cause the Game and Class Designe is bad thats just the honest Truth!! Wotlk,Cata,Mop worked cause it felt so satisfying to press Spells,Abitliies and Stuff the feeling of Charging someone putting them in a full Shockwave or Thorwdown and then pop Recklessnes the Oldschool one and stomp them you cant compare that to Legion till Retail Today its just a differente World like Night and Day..
It's so obvious their current team just had PVP thrown at them with no clue how to handle it.
The fact that they waited until 75% of SS players quit to fix the rating cap is insane. Now they have a 20 pt rating gain cap per blitz win too. They expect us to sit in 20 min queues at 1600 beating 2400 mmr teams for 19-20 rating and 58 conq.
couldnt have said it better myself
Amen.
Que times for pvp are disgusting
@@williamromero6177 I'm a healer, but felt so bad for this warrior in my group who had sat in a 30 min queue just for our other healer to go to an inactive base in EOTS at the start. Even as a healer my queue times are 12-25 mins though.
This is the exact problem, yeah.
i quit many weeks ago when constantly meeting full glad / r1's at 1800 in SS
blizzard has absolutely no clue what they are doing with any competitive aspects of the game
Correction: Of their games.
@@benoitheylens4802 true
They have no idea what they are doing in every aspect of their games.
Only clue they have is to sell the wow tokens by millions. Why do you think ingame chat is hyper spammed with boost run advertising. They create toxic content with raid and dungeon mechanics where 1 player can wipe the group. This result not increased team spirit but anxiety and toxicity. And ppl are tough to loot addiction until you cant get anymore. Then you buy the tokens and join boost runs. Blizzard say token was needed to fight the 3rd party gold sellers. Guess what the boosters sell the gold on 3rd party websites cheaper and faster than tokens. Most of wow economy is run by 3rd party and token gold becouse professions are worthless doesnt matter if you make or buy stuff from ah there is no profit unless you have all gathering and producing professions on multiple chars.
They aren't paid to care, pvp players quitting doesnt even put a dent in their profits sadly
Keystone master has been made substantially easier over the past couple of year. Getting gladiator is more and more difficult every season.
Raids were super easy back in BFA, so Blizzard made raids really hard starting with Shadowlands, and people bailed.
M+ was really easy back in Dragonflight, so Blizzard made M+ really hard starting with TWW, and people bailed.
Blizzard's ultimate goal seems to be to drive people away from all content, and make the content accessible only to sweatlords.
Blizzard has abandoned PvP in favor of forcing as many FOMO transmogs down our throat as possible.
They made more efforts towards mythic dungeons in my opinion and it killed pvp
Worst part about blitz is bad brackets, you gain nothing when you have to high rating but lose alot if you lose. This should not be possible in my opinion. I'll happily play with noobs but not at the cost of my rating with nothing to gain.
Why do you lose to newbies?everything is logical
@@mil_ko6843 Because you can't carry 7 people even if you are the best player in the world.
you reach a ceilings. It is your rating where you belong
This is just a problem with MMR, even in chess the players face the same concerns with losing ranking to players who are definitely capanle of winming, but are lower ranked.
Gate keeping is real, Even for you R1's half the spots are the same person on multiple Alts taking all the R1 where they have 2-3+ alts in the same and other classes.
Every spec (besides tanks) should have at least 10 R1 spots in shuffle. (This also is beneficial for people who play main specs, because fotm specs always have more spots)
Such an easy improvement to implement
Yall apparently haven't checked. There's people who have like 10 alts all in the top like 25 lol
@@fogismaximus characaters on the same account cannot take up extra glad spots. The system just adds extra R1 spots if the same account has multiple characters at that rating.
Yeah they’ve normalized it so much by now all these old R1s that don’t really push anymore like to turn a blind eye when it’s brought up.
I tried for over a hour to find a healer in 2s. Found one. faced a rank 1 streamer in 1600mmr. easy lost. and healer left.
i think you should just get better at the game and learn how to beat r1 insted of whining ... get gud.
@@jonashabermann6621 why the game is dead ^^
@@jonashabermann6621I think you should learn to dodge against Mike Tyson and stop getting knocked out.
@@ChromaticEagle yeah man, i mean .... If Logan ist brave enough, basicly every other 9 year old should be brave enough as well
@@gankfrombush well aCTuALlyy If the Game is at 1 Point Not dead - IT is at 1600 Rating
+500 rating would solve everything. Im struggling at 1950 when im normally close to glad. Im not having fun.
Dude, I'm in the same situation as you, I play with friends and we've already caught A LOT of gladiators together, but today, 2 months after starting the season, we're banging our heads against the wall at 1950 or 2000 rating. It doesn't make sense!
Makes sense because thats where you belong without giga inflation? Lol
@@aryelsilva5170get better ?
@@DH-ht9plim a 1800 mmr player getting matched against mglads and r1’s in ss. is that my place to be as well?
@@skedge1 1800-2100 in shuffle feels like a joke to me right now. Just because someone is on a glad mount doesn't mean they know how to play on that spec
What, if anything, can be done about this? You know what changes are needed. We know what changes are needed. they know it. but they just will not do it. It's been ages since these issues have been crumbling the pvp community, yet nothing is being done. LFG groups have vanished, rank 1 and multi-glads are terrorizing lower rated players on their 10th alts. It just feels like the best answer is to quit honestly.
Ive been doing pug 3's fine. literally got to 2.2k pugging lmao
its not that dead
@Jsten16
It’s cool that you’re the exception but nobody is having fun except for you. I was playing around where you are about 3 weeks ago and all of my friends quit. Having to fight awc players to get our duelist weapons was the stopping point for the season.
You can keep bootlicking though, you’re good at it.
this is very real, today I started the team as an alt (I'm mult-glad), and in the 1600 mmr I got several glads! Now imagine this for a pvp beginner? There's no sense of progression, the guy will just think he's shit and give up.
I literally am 1900 on my alt and have no found any glads.
and if they are they arent very good.
@Jsten16
The two scenarios here are
1. You have the best luck out of everyone that has played the game this season
2. You’re lying
Really sounds like you’re an addict trying to rationalize playing this dumpster fire of a game.
Funniest part is when you face awc teams at 1600-1700. I still feel one of the biggest problem is cr gains with mmr. If you are playing 1000 mmr over your cr you should be getting big cr gains. I have seen people playing 1000 mmr higher and still get the same cr gains as if you were 100 mmr over. Getting 20 cr being 500-1000 mmr over your cr is the problem in my opinion.
They are no awc teams at 1600 stop
Being delusional
@@Dgreatest32 yeah, i play yesterday in 1700, vs najh, 2 times, i been facing people getting out with his glad mounts... i face pikaboo 3 times in this xpac, i face glad people in all seasons, and they are on 1.6 / 1.7 / 1.8... that people have to be on his rating, not 1000mmr less
@@Dgreatest32 It's not often but, it does happen.
Definitely have played against a handful of people with r1 titles. I get it people play alts. The definite reality is every match past 1700 is pretty much all 2400xp players riding glad mounts.
i'm sure you remember that 2s used to reward both gladiator and all the gear that 3s did
For one expansion, yes
And season 5 and season 6 of wrath of the lich king to be exact.
it's not just "the best players" its "the best players *of all time*" because they're the only ones still playing.
they just need to move away from MMR entirely and move to a ladder system like in league of legends. Master > diamond > plat > gold > silver > bronze.
Should all be relative to your peers in that sense.
The question would be what % of players should be getting glad per season roughly? Somewhere around top 10%
league also has mmr just doesnt show it and divisions works almost just like rating, what we need is rewards not to be attached so much to rating that depends external factors like player population/blizz random caps, we should have every season something like a pvp renown system that can be achieved by both casuals and hardcores, and probably let rating go up until AWC players fight themselves at 3k mmr and let most hardcore around 2400 so glad mounts are somewhat achievable, and prob more mount recolors for blitz and shuffle,
The only real difference between LoL's and WoW's rank system is that WoW has visual rating that tries to match your MMR rating.
LoL does the same except instead of showing 1800 rating on your 2v2 interface it says you're Gold 3 or something.
I prefer WoW's more abstract and 'true' rating than LoL's obscured system.
@@QPoily it's all relative to the player base tho where as wow's is not. That's they key
If a R1 is 2200 one season and 3100 another season then that's an issue. In LoL that player would just be Master Tier. Which is how it should be
@@QPoily yeah exactly
I said it since shadowlands and will say it again: the mmr and reward system in wow needs a complete rework asap. They're basically discouraging people, even hardcore pvpers, to a point rn where they're just quitting pvp or even the game itself... they know this since years, but won't make any changes. I have the feeling it's on purpose, cuz they can't be that dumb and incompetent. Just my theory and 2 cents.
what system would you replace it with ?
they use this sort of MMR system in chess as far as i know
@CatalysedCat like in Hearthstone or lol. Way better System that is actually rewarding the grind...
@@blizzart9191 not familiar with that system, break it down for us ?
@@CatalysedCatRanks instead of MMR. We could list dozens of games with such a system that are successful. Do research.
@@camvalence I'm not sure what you mean as in successful? That system invites many boosters that literally destroy the ladder, Hearthstone is an exception because it isn't a team game. but for League of Legends every skilled player complains about the boosted players stuck in Diamond IV and have a much more enjoyable experience in Emerald I since those players are actually good.
it's mind boggling how they didn't learn anything from last expansion, this was the case 3 seasons in a row in df
Don’t worry the Mountain Dew mount will bring new players to 3v3 arena
Dont worry, Trump will fix it.
@@Pallehzdon’t worry the liberals won’t keep raising inflation somehow
I bought some 16oz mtn dews, started submitting codes, was timed out for the final one because they have a limit on how many you can submit in a day. Next day my mnt dew account was suspended. It’s been a week and no reply from support. 🤣
Ven you’re right, when you’re right you’re right
I got to 2250 on my disc priest. There’s only 80 priests above me now so I know there’s no way I’m going up. no reason to play for at least a month
Out of the top 20 characters in the US there are only 12 individual players. It averages out to around 30% of all characters in the top 100 are alts. This is a major issue.
Other people dont want to learn to play, thats not a problem.
@mil_ko6843 Other people don't want to fight bigdam on his 60th alt. It has nothing to do with them not wanting to learn. But I wouldn't expect a tiny brained Russian to understand that.
@@BreakingChad3 how did the russians offend you? Trump came to power, so you are in a bad mood? dont cry baby, be a man 😁
the game is really in such a great spot which cant be glossed over. We finally can sit in the city and queue what we want without pressure to do pve, reps, etc. Thats why this whole rating issue is that much more perplexing because it seems like such an easy thing to fix after all the hard work has been done to fix the more major problems of the past.
this encapsulates it very well
Agree with you 100% . Thank you for bringing this up, probably some of the game developers will got a chance to check this video
I super disagree with the take about rewards being the driver. Pvp has always been the game mode where people just play because they love the competition. What needs to change is the community's outlook towards flaming mistakes. All the gatekeepers pushed the newer, more casual players away with their toxicity and now they're all looking around complaining no one wants to play with them.
Y'all did it to yourselves. You want activity to go up? Stop being so toxic when someone makes mistakes. None of us play perfect, without exception. Be more forgiving and you'll see the activity pick back up slowly over many months/years.
And yes, ratings deflation should be corrected, but that's not the driver of why the pvp community is so small
I agree with this. I have devolved to having more fun in casual BGs with friends! The rewards seem more like a burden these days.
I really feel that the competitive side of PvP could be helped by better rating and queuing systems. Looking for groups and getting rejected as a new or higher rank player has always left a bad taste in my mouth.
It's hard to pick WoW PvP, sitting in a 20 min que for a short 3v3, over just playing another game that respects my time as a person more. I sink a ton of time in games, but the way I do it is different now and I don't feel respected by the current systems in my long beloved game WoW!
Also when you start, a third of your matches are against smurfs and it drives most new people away.
Nah thaths just partially true. The rating diff and not being able to get their rewards is def the core problem for 3s right now. And i was saying it back in DF already when it was literally the same issue. Not only do you have less participation bc most people give up before it has even started but the few left who try to progress will end up in huge toxicity just by nature as a result of this problem that creates this toxicity because people cant forgive mistakes because they can hardly climb and get anywhere near they want to be. It all snowballs. There were way more participation in PvP (3s) etc when PvE'ers needed to do PvP in order to get some gear from PvP. That was the case in some Xpac i remember at the start of SL for example. We need those PvE'ers back in PvP for a healthier PvP mmr. Idk how much Blizzard can do about the Rating/Mrr if theres not much participation but they definetly did some mistakes that lead to the current situation.
I was about to say that arena players aren't that toxic, but then I remember how plenty of arena streamers like to go full on trash talk mode about their teammates, especially in solo shuffle.
Honestly, it feels like Solo Shuffle introduced more toxicity into WoW PvP than there was before. At least before the expectation of using voice was there and helped curb most of the little trash talkers from talking shit.
You sound like such a bitch, jesus christ man come on. Its a game why do you care so much somebody flames you for a mistake, thats the competitive spirit, even if they dont say it they think it anyway. ITS A GAME stop taking it so personal. Bitch.
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Agree with all of it. Complete rating overhaul is needed!
Rewards need to be actually achievable by more casual players so more people want to play pvp.
Tabards and titels for the best of the best. 'glad' mounts at 2100 throughout all brackets etc...
No, just the sweatlords do. PVP will always be about asserting dominance on the other bastard, preferably in a 1v1 situation with equal gear and skill and in the most humiliating way possible, and Blizzard can't do anything to change that experience lest remove PVP entirely.
The sweatlords and ratings chasers are what's wrong with PVP in this game and in every game that has PVP. I always hate it how the PVP experience in a newly released game is so fun until the sweatlords arrive and then it turns into a meta-chasing cringefest of tryharding and smurfing and the game starts getting balanced to cater not to the vast majority of players engaged in PVP, but to the 1% of players who are sweatlords and tryhards.
So GOOD RIDDANCE, I say.
Just add rewards to each bracket as they did in Shadowlands. They had a good system in shadowlands... and it worked.. there was alot of pve players who wanted to get some achievements and tmogs from shadowlands pvp
I never saw why this is such a hard thing to do. So many good suggestions here Ven. So many passionate people about the mode.
"Team Building Fun" in 3v3 no longer exists....
People don't have friends anymore and we all want to play when we can. Solo shuffle needs to switch to 1 round and we will see SO MANY MORE PLAYERS.
CHANGE SOLO SHUFFLE TO 1 ROUND ONLY!
Bad RnG group? Too bad, it's over after one round and reque....
How it should of been from the beginning. But blizzards ego got in the way and they had to put their own spin on it rather than making it how tr had it
For sure dude, lets wait 20 mins just for 1 quick round. Yeah man that sounds attractive. Bro hello
16 min queue for 1 round? you really think that is a good idea?
@@Twootys how the fuck does changing from 6 rounds to 1 keep the que time the same? Wtf kind of logic is that? Use your brain.
@ use your brain
Also started to notice, i'm 1900-2000 on two shuffle characters, I wait 25 min for a que when I get in there's a 600 demo lock and a 947 CR healer or something and it completely skews the game. Either they're hard losing or a full smurf and either way you're usually going 3-3 or losing rating... can't even field an across the board 1900 cr shuff game
i didn't give up, but i did get elite via blitz and stopped playing
it's so messed, I'm main healer this seasson to get faster queues, in shuffle I burn everycd, cc, play around pillar, trying to the the basics, and in 1600 people still insta die. EVERY TIME, it's insta die, and them people rage on me and all, but wtf 1600 people doing dmg like 2400, it feels super hard to play =-=
it is man the burst dmg is crazy in this expansion.. no more 45 minute arena games
I can confirm me and my friends have stopped playing pvp altogether.
We are doing mythic+ and it’s so much more better than anything in PvP.
How is being declined much better?
Mythic + 😂😂😂😂 the fact they had to bring all that out just shows the games fucked. Back in the day it was heroic then mythic came out now u have have mythic +20 it's so fucking stupid the game needs a hard reset it's a total mess min/max shit used to be such a fun game. If u want a real mmorpg journey play classic so much better then retail shit
@@Imperyon you are being declined because you play an expendable role - dps. It’s the same with real life where if you have an unimportant role in your job and you don’t bring much to the table you are considered expendable.
@@nobodyspecial596 it’s actually not a total mess and mythic+ is a challenge that requires immense understanding of your class and the interactions between objects and activities in the game
@@neptune7426 Yeah but this is a game that I'm paying for, so the company that sells me the game should put in a lot of effort to make me believe that I'm not in the real world anymore.
I was talking to my mate about this and I feel like one of the things that sucks is that no one uses trade chat to find team mates anymore. Which is a big deal for oceanic players because there is a lot of people who want to pvp but go to lfg and see no one quing and just give up but I would bet that if you made a new chat where people can't advertise people would start quing more at oce times and that connection to players on your realm would come back
The fact that healing never got adjusted in blitz is just a testament that the devs do not play PvP at all. The strongest strategy to win blitz is to either ignore the team fight entirely, or have a DK drag a healer away from the team fight.
Yeah start the game 20% damp ..
Its not that they're quitting... Ban's are also up 2000%. Been playing this game since OG TBC, and never had bans, but have received two bans (14 day, then 21 day) for things such as "Why are you in mid". People are abusing the report system and blizz won't appeal any of the tickets. 4 of my friends all have received bans in the past month for very minor chat offenses.
I've enjoyed blitz the most, because I can actually get the rewards. Every time I step into arena it's just a huge drag, knowing that if I want to get the top end rewards via arena, I'll literally have to be facing AWC teams/players. This is NOT how the system should be. Access to rewards brings in players! I think we're nearing the final nail in the coffin for casual PvPers transitioning into rated content. Blitz is a step in the right direction, but I'm worried they're going to cap MMR next season like every other mode and prevent players from getting the top end rewards. I'll stay optimistic, but Blizzards track record with PvP lately has not been good, so I'm not expecting much. Very sad.
you have too high self esteem, in reality you will not reach the awc teams
I spent two hours for a rated bg que to pop. Only for our team to get absolutely smoked and my rating left unchanged. Not to mention the negligible amount of conquest points you get to even try and gear up. It’s not hard to figure out whats wrong with pvp unfortunately.
Thank you for being the voice of the people. The PvP community needs ppl like you
They made gearing impossible. How do I get PvP tier when I need to use the catalyst for PVE gear?
Idk how anyone takes this guy or supatease seriously. They make videos like this every two weeks followed by a “PvP saved??” video. All so clickbaity
True, game is cooked. They need to make WoW 2 or something cause this game has too much bloat and out dated in today’s videogame pvp layout
I haven’t felt the need to push at all this season. I basically just do enough solo shuffle to keep my gear up to date and am waiting out the end of the season to do my 2400 push.
How many times can one man make the same video so many times without figuring out the actual reality they’re avoiding?
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Blizzaaard never understand this. We have +3K 3S xp RLD team, (I'm first time rog, Multi R1 Warrrior) we are sitting at 2.3cr rn, facing with only Multi R1 players, i mean full Multi R1 teams, not only 1 rank 1, 2 glad etc. This game is complately dead about pvp, no one can push. Meta is also stupid people abusing BloodDk+BmHunter+MistMonk. They didnt nerf BM, didnt nerf Frost Mage, didnt nerf Evoker sustain damage or mobility, didnt nerf mage, didnt nerf feral, didnt buff warrior, didnt buff enha defensive, didnt buff boomy defensive, didnt buff restro druid, didnt buff restro shaman, didnt buff dk, they overtune unh nerf need %5 buff minimum, they didnt buff dh, didnt buff fire mage, mmr is garbage people keep quiting. Absolutely terrible managing. Amazin bad manage again and again and again.
PvP Mount change idea here
1600 Yellow Mount
1800 Purple Mount
2000 Green Mount
2200 Red Mount
2400 Golden Mount
Rank 1 title still 0.5% in 3v3
All mount colors can be earned in ANY Solo bracket, RBG’s, and 3v3…You can also earn all colors in 2v2 except 2400…Blizz needs to make a solid/cool looking mount every PvP season, and that will incentivize players to stick around to earn various colors of that mount… We all wanted that Rank 1 Red PvP mount from Dragon Flight S1 …As it stands now, I know I’ll NEVER get a gladiator mount… So I give up after reaching 1800 each season, and that’s one less person queuing in the ladder part of the season… As a boomer gamer dad and having a lot more gaming option now, having mounts I can farm for would keep me and other people motivated longer in each season for goals that are actually obtainable…Instead of just the top 0.5% of the player base
@@MrCodeman2036 that would be a good idea but it’s blizzard we are talking about. Maybe in another 20 years
My problem is how wildly long it takes to get conquest compared to honor. You have to wait significantly longer to play, so you can earn significantly less currency... Blizzard does it to themselves. I remember reaching my conquest cap back in MoP on my monk in a few hours, after having a HUGE cap. You used to get so much conquest per win back then, it was awesome. Now I have to wait for shuffle to pop, win most matches and get like 100 and something conquest. It is crazy.
My "giving up" is timed to the rest of my current sub. ends this month, if they don't announce a massive MMR injection (like 500+ rating or something completely stupid in 3s) I am done with the expansion. Already got Elite, already got Grand Marshall, don't care about farming Strategist or Legend - Only glad. If Glad remains reserved for AWC players, I won't come back.
Is it still really easy to spot a boost in progress? I quit ages ago because of boosting, I would get prompted to check for it through my gameplay experience. Say I had a super close game with 3 (Legitimate Gladiators, I would check) and managed to just barely squeeze out a win against them (Confirming to myself that I belong playing against them), then the next game I get absolutely stomped by no-name players with no achievements and it's not even close, so I used to go to the wow ladder and check their profile and you could check previous seasons and the win/loss of that season and all their achievements. So through that, it was obvious when a player was being boosted. I found the door to Gladiator was gatekept by boosters so I quit playing out of resentment.
I just deactivated my WoW account. sat in queue for 30 min for solo shuffle and bg blitz and I just felt I was wasting my time =(
if you spend even 10% of your "Playtime" in queues it raises question of wasting time. There are so many games where you press button and get into a match near instantly.
Return of Reckoning, a Warhammer online private server has like a 3 minute battleground queue if that by comparison.
@@evg3nius imagine if call of duty had a 30 minute wait time for a 7 min game lol
Come to Turtle WoW. Blood Ring arena at 60 and BGs if you want. No subscription as well. 🫡👌🏼
Probably this comment goes to void but i still want to express my concerns.
At 14:39 you exactly summarized up the problem, i played at 2600 mmr, 80 games with a really good win rating. But I only get +18-23 rating per wins, and I couldn't reach my mmr in 90 games which is ridiculous amount of WAITING IN QUEUE. And then i had an 5 lose winstreak when my mmr dropped 300 immediately and now game i am pretty much stuck unless i get insanely lucky or carry hard which is not easy on arms warrior.
Next to a 9-5 job it is fcking impossible to invest this amount of time to wait in queue (now 9-13 minutes at least after their bad fix) and then i play 7-10 minutes.
66% of my gametime is queue, i played 1800 minutes to get those 90 games. 30 hours and i couldn't do any arena or play alt or anything.
Imagine the amount of players who would queue with more toons, or just queue more if they would be rewarded with RATING they actually deserve cus their MMR is good.
against all odds we will persevere and become pikaboo
I dont think my body could withstand the amount of addreall it would take to become pikaboo
The add from zonic canada when he reads the first reddit post at about 2:20 is some foreshadowing
Gladiator should be out of reach for most. And to be clear when he said back in the day arena was only the top .5% he was right but there were a ton of battlegroups it wasn't as hard to get as he is making it out to be.
0.5 of 100 battlegroups is the same as if its 0.5 of 1 battlegroup. if you have 1m players in 1 bgrp or 100k ea in 10 bgrps its still 0.5% of 1m
@@snosan highly deppents on the battle group i guess they where not at all balanced so in some it would be easier to get than other simple of the fact that les top players are in them
@@cptboomfist8436 There were like two difficult battlegroups back in wotlk.
@@rabee53 13 us battlegroups and 3 pure english 1 german 10 mixed 2 russian in cata
and thigs where even more fragmented before from what i can see
i think one of the biggest things they could do is make it to where u get seasonal mount or transmog when you hit maybe 500 rating then when you hit 1000 rating you get something else if the provide more rewards to players earlier in rating they will more then likely want to continue playing. the reason i got into pep was for the saddle mount is had miss and making me have to farm the current season then get a saddle afterword's is a lot of effort so they could also allow you to pick but just some thoughts
solo shuffle killed arenas
bad game design did
Things were better before solo shuffle
I agree and have been vocal about this since Legion / Pre-Patch BFA (when rated rewards changed to the current hard rating threshold reward structure): Adding more incentive to playing other brackets would be a massive boon. Rewards that are account wide and earnable from all brackets cause everyone to flock to whichever mode has the most efficient acquisition. Some people I know and have played with say the rewards should be more exclusive to make the reward feel more unique/valuable (old-school game design), but I feel that having a wider variety of rewards across the different thresholds and brackets is better for the overall health of PvP. Shifting rewards further and further down the ladder is a good "bandage solution", but it leads to the current issue: low incentive to push for higher rating when it seemingly is an unreachable goal and not worth the effort/attempt. I think Gladiator should be achievable in both 2s and 3s, whereas solo shuffle and blitz should award an equivalent type of mount reward (either a recolor or their own seasonal model that gets reskinned and recolored every season) so that there is a unique capstone difference between solo and premade group PvP. Additionally Blizzard really needs to do away with rating throttling via MMR because as Venruki has pointed out time and time again, MMR incentivizes existing within a season instead of actively playing throughout the season; hurting active seasonal participation as well as motivation for average players to try or participate in PvP. If Blizzard needs any ideas for new rewards to potentially include here are a few: faction / armor type sets to be unlocked from rated 10v10 and blitz, token to unlock previously available seasonal rewards (perhaps only 1 per account per season to avoid the same issue that occurred in BFA where PvPers would accumulate a max of 8 vicious saddles per season), prestige banners similar to those given from the seasonal legend achievement and honor levels (originally added via the prestige system during Legion), an expansion themed version of the artifact weapons to provide a class specific flare reward, seasonal toys such as the flag of ownership, non armor type specific armor cosmetics, faction themed / seasonal hearth stones, and warband login screens.
Oh it’s the start of the week time for venruki to cry and make a doomsday wow pvp video Jfc
Blizzard needs to track & adjust inflation accordingly. Having a glad mount people are excited for to sure helps to, which isn’t really the case this season. So people just hitting up blitz and will just use their Legion or Dragonflight glad mounts, till a cool one is put out there to draw in more players. Part of the problem about the current system is, when not enough people are playing in a given season, suddenly it’s multi glads fighting for just duelist 2100… for like the first month or two. But here we are 8 weeks in with inflation in 3v3. Almost a full 1000 rating lower blitz/solo shuffle (where everyone is playing atm). Most of us honestly lost our awesome pvp friends… and pve’ers don’t really want to ever play when I ask them , they have mythic plus keys to run… so now just wandering around town alone but wanting to pvp with people hopefully around one’s given skill level… so only options are solo shuffle or blitz. Because that’s where the bulk of the pvper’s are. You seen the rated bg search? There’s fucking 6 dudes selling RBG rating (how that’s still a thing idk), and maybe two to three yolo’s and all but one will likely be 2100+ only players allowed. Something to that extent…. For a person trying to get into pvp; the only shows in town are solo shuffle and blitz atm…. The rated bg scene has been on the decline, but solo rated blitz really took a huge amount of those players…
I mean its pretty bad atm, exclusively. Look how long BM hunters are just ruining the experience for others.
Yet blizzard is so slow to react, its just left alone.
Whatever manager, or system they use for "Balancing" Clearly needs to be more correctly addressed because this themetic happens every patch, every xpac, they need to stop being lazy
I'm not a BM and I know they have been OP but geez is that the best you got.
@@fullmetalscotsman1306 BM is just the current class with the outrageous issue. It changes per xpac/patch of course. But has no reason to last so long without being brought in line.
Classes should have gives and takes.
If you're a ranged class, who has the advantage of using ranged and Pets, (Melee and Range) With a mortal strike. While also having amazing mobility and surviability. Its a god class.
Ontop of this, normally if a class like this existed, the trade off would need to be "extremely high skill cap to play" but of course, BM hunter is the lowest of the low in terms of mechanical skill.
Ven you probably won’t see this, but I’ve considered making a UA-cam video myself but then I get discouraged thinking nobody will see it. I have a few fixes curious to get your opinion on.
As you pointed out there are 3600 3s games played compared to 10x that in SS. Don’t you think that were just spread too thin and that’s why MMR continues to stagnate?
I believe we need to get rid of SS, Blitz, add solo queue to 2s/3s//RBG. Meaning you can queue solo or in groups for any PvP content. Just like most other matchmaking games. This would incentivize team play but also make it accessible for all.
A reason the queue times are so long is that you’re waiting for SIX matches to occur. With the above mentioned you’d be waiting on 1 game to occur.
Thoughts?!?
I canceled my sub this month. PvP just isn't fun and PvP gear is bullshit.PvP isn't about skill, it's about sweat.
Maturing is realizing it's always been this way 😆
@evg3nius this comment is golden my friend how you play a pvp game and don't want competition lol
@@darrylgreen5096 Competition in getting better gear? Try actual PvP game for competition 😆even Counter Strike is miles ahead. Or LOL\DOTA
I got 95% of all seasonal rewards (2k rating) in shuffle in 60 rounds, took me like, a week. The next thing I could get is 3v3 glad mount but its so far away that there's really no point, i'd have to be a top 10 warrior in NA to get glad, that would take me probably 50x as much time as it took to get everything else and I would probably not even be able to get there, so I just quit.
giving up ? you mean already gave up since DF S1 xd
How do you get those effects he has on his swords?
i mean pvp died with legion.
solo shuff is pretty fun
also- negative titles gets more clicks. ven stop it
I hit my 1800 in SS. I'm happy. The Elite Warrior set was the only thing I really wanted out of pvp this season. Lol
Can't believe people are still on this...
2s bracket is in absolute shambles. On EU at ~2K cr, end of week 8, that is top 2.2% of the ladder. Absurd. 2400 isn't even obtainable in that bracket really, 13 characters are over 2400 in 2s as we speak - 11 accounts (2 are alts of the same person). 6 specs represented in those 13 slots.
Just remove 3s lfg and make solo shuffle be able to earn glad mounts. The community is small
I endured way too much frustration, i gave up 3 weeks ago and just thinking that i have to log up and wait 20-30 mins to even play just to get fucked by ferals or rogues or sp or an npc bm hunt and just to get stuck at 2200 till they think that its time to let some people progress deters me from even opening the battle app, its all a waste of time with no fun at all. And as a surv hunter i had to wait 1.5 months to even get core mechanics fixed, that company does not deserve a cent nor a minute from me or other players that used to love the pvp experience
i Canceled my membership yesterday, i won't give them my money for the terrible pvp state we have with 0 fix and ultra op classes versus ultra undertuned classes.
Changing mmr around wont make new people play such a complex title with a community that has no desire to teach anyone anything. This game has the problem that fighting games do but has significantly more bullshit to do before even getting the meat of the game play you want to play and learn. Add in garbage queue times in a modern age where peoples attention are pulled in a million directions and its a wrap. No matter what blizzard does they wont draw back any meaningful population to stop the bleed.
Wow pvp is done anyway, every addon/season same shit problems. Give it up and enjoy other games who are worth your time. I hit my elite and im done, the queue times make me just sick and zhe balance is horrible
I just don't like playing against rank 1 players as a casual player. Never happened in any other game only wow. I have bumped into many top tier players while geared in honor gear getting stomped because they are boosting a character
you're completely right, problem is people cant push rating. no one cares if you lose or win as long as you keep getting rewards
You mean the rewards that are meant to be hard to get are actually hard??? Shocker!
For real tho, game has never been easier. Frankly it's where it should be only a small portion of the community should be able to get 2400. Any other take is just cope.
this is absolutely braindead. im a 15xglad and 4xR1... currently the only players with glad this season are ALL R1 players. It should not be impossible to get glad unless you're on par with AWC players. Odds are you've never been 2400 and are projecting as if you have been, because nobody has this take thats actually up at 2500-2700 right now.
You guaranteed drink tap water and have a calcified pineal gland your inner dialog is completely backwards you are an NPC
@@RhodesianSuperiority It's not impossible to get. The game is literally is at it's easiest. 2400 now might as well be 1500 back in mop prideful. They've lowered the requirement of EVERY rated reward.
Elite sets were 2.2, they lowered it to 2k then 1800.
Glad mounts are given away for free now
Enchant is 1950 (Was 2700, then 2400 then 2100)
By every metric these rewards are easier to get. You're probably just a salty 1400 andy.
@@prod7906 you just dont play 3v3 and probably have never been above 2100 in anything other than bgb unless you played ret in DFS2. 2400 is currently less than 250 players. Nobody cares about your BG blitz rating that you got 2400 for the first time in your life lmao because thats the only game mode currently where its easy to get 2400 so you're self reporting hard asf. I got glad in every season of mop lol it was WAY more inflated and way easier to get to the % cutoff back then than it is to just get 50 wins above 2400 in 3v3 for TWW S1. The fact you think the glad mount is free this season, when less than 150 players IN THE ENTIRE NA REGION HAVE IT just goes to show you dont have it and probably dont have a single one. 1700+ people got glad in NA during prideful, 1800+ in EU. You very obviously did not play back then and did not get glad that season. Nobody cares that "rewards are easier overall" we're talking about glad being only AWC competitors and multi-R1s right now. But based on your arguments you got your first 2400 in bg blitz (it doesnt count by the way, im 3k mmr sitting 2800cr in bgb, its a joke) and now you want to gatekeep even though you dont even play the 3v3 bracket lmao
dont bother replying im not reading anymore trash takes from 1800 players boosted by bgb thinking they are actually 2400+ skilled players.
@@prod7906 you lack the very basic reading comprehension to see that I said "impossible ...unless..." im not arguing with someone whos first 2400 xp is from BGB and the take that 2400 is easier than 1500 in prideful tells me everything i need to know. Have a good day thinking that you're on par with R1s because you got bgb 2400 for the first time ever omegalul so carried
it's not just pvp comunity, everyone is giving up, if you into m+ and you'Ve done your 10+ there is nothing else for you, mythic raid is only pve now
bro you just talk negative shit about the game, just play something else if you don't like it. Every single season is the same shit.
Here’s the thing with rating. 3s and 2s are dead in comparison to solo. Everyone thinks they want Blizz to “fix” rating, but if they make changes to address the rating it will spread the ready abysmal average of about 12-15k games per day across that much more of a spread. We end up right where we were in DF which was rank 1, streamers, glads all farming alts to stay at 1600-1700 and ruin peoples experience. All the problems actually get worse and pika is playing rogue for life in 1800 lobbies.
i stopped pvping cause it just feels like who can button mash the fastest now
Yeah, I've seen rets (just on example) pressing no BoP, Sacrifice, Freedom or Sanctuary and go 6:0 in some SS lobbies. It has been all about damage lately.
Honestly i think there is way to many buttons for pvp ... its just too many ...
yup i stopped playing just over a week ago... que times ... just so annoying not worth waiting... try to play a diff game while waiting or just do other stuff and sometimes miss que.. just yawn
Blizzard has no incentive to make a mount for shuffle or anything else achievement wise for free anymore. Why would they make a mount just for player achievement, when they can sell one for $90? If anything, they have incentive to start charging you to buy the glad. mounts for $. Example: If you get glad, you unlock the ability to buy the mount now with money.
Same issues.
Fix MMR early.
More rewards in pvp in the form of transmog and mount(s). Especially for healers.
What they need to do is detach PvE and PvP class kits/specs, talents, and spells, and make healers heal less and being able only to sustain HP a little bit not to heal from 0% to 100% in seconds. Make a brand new class kit for each spec specifically for PvP and make it feel more like MOBA in BGs instead of Zerging.. There is just too much CC, and healers are also making PvP unfun. You almost kill someone 3 times but he is healed back up to full hp in seconds and then you die even though you would already defeat that person 3x if it wasn't for the healing. Each class and spec should have like 3-4 DPS spells, 1 defensive spell, 1 CC. Healers additionally 1 dispel, 1 single target heal, and maybe 1 HoT/AoE heal spell on longer cooldown. PvP using PvE class kits is just too advanced and too complicated for majority of players so PvP in WoW will never be popular as long as playing it is this hard. Classes in PvP need to be very simplistic. There is a reason why in PvP focused MMOs and MOBAs you only get a few spells.
Have the devs ever given us a reason for capping conquest each week? Or even capping MMR until later in the season? I understand that most of the WoW population plays PvE but the first week the Mythic+ season opened you saw so many of the mounts. I haven't seen a single glad mount this season yet.
If you don’t have unique rewards that attract ppl to PvP it doesn’t matter if you get the balance right cuz you gotta rebuild the base so there has to be incentive and do it at the lower end like battlegrounds
I'm glad you talk about this stuff brother
As a player that plays since BFA I always wanted to get into PVP but the amount of addons and shit to track in order to be able to play is just ridiculous and that's just the entry level, not to mention the class design issue in raid/m+/pvp...
I'll tell you exactly how the rating has to be. R1 players and top players generally should be 3k+ rating. GOOD players-teams should be 2700-3000 rating. Casual players that are good to their class 2300-2700. Every rated mode has to have access to GLAD MOUNT. (if Bliz want to have something different, they can do it via f stupid titles). Do this and ppl will be motivated 100% to play rated PvP.
always wanted gladiator, never pushed for it. i starting taking pvp seriously in shadowlands and that was my first proper season of playing 3s with 2 other mates. we ended our first season at 1600 just learning how to play and over time peaked at 2k. The real problems started in DF when we started noticing the we were taking steps back instead of progressing and now we casually do some shuffles and a few 2s cause we have accepted that gladiator will never be a thing for us. Sad but true.
I m casual and I reached my holy priest in solo at 1610 some days ago after a lot of hard work and talents testing and mistakes. I know if i push for more maybe i get to 1700+, but I dont feel it anymore. I m tired. I dont have energy, I feel exhausted. Every second game I was against a glad, an elite, a streamer with alt or similar. No friends who play anymore, I feel the game dying inside me, while playimg from 2007.
other issue is the cost of everything this expansion, if I want to gear a pvp alt with enchants gems etc. its like 500k in dragonflight it was 50k. after gearing for m+ and raids do I really want to buy 2 wow tokens just to play 3's for 2 weekends?
rating is an issue but the biggest issue is the long queue times in solo shuffle. I main healers and playing healer is absolutely frustrating in shuffle, sometimes i just want to play easy dps shuffles but i have to sit in 20 min queue's immediatly making me give up.
PVP is fun, but I feel like I struggle to get points, I have ended the last few weeks on a positive win ratio and I only go up 5 points for the week for 20 plus games (for the last 3 weeks)? Its frustrating, so now all I do is cap, then go do M+ as I dont really want to wait so long to get into a game.
I quit wow PVP early Dragon Flight, I forced myself to push 2100 with my priest and I was so glad to get it over with, haven’t PvPd since and I’ve been enjoying pve and getting rewards and leveling new characters.