I just changed my fluid and filter on my Ram 1500 Warlock. Hit 50,000 miles. It’s not a difficult job to do yourself. Make sure you have all the tools necessary before you get started. Remove the fill plug first. Take out the pan bolts and remove the old pan. Install the new pan, finger tighten the bolts, all of them. When you are certain the pan is aligned correctly, use criss cross pattern and tighten all the pan bolts. Not too tightly!! They didn’t require much force to remove. You don’t want to pinch the gasket and cause a leak. Fill with new fluid through the plug hole. I used a hand pump that threads into oil bottles. Fill it until it starts running out. Took roughly 4 quarts. Only do this service when the vehicle is cold, hasn’t run for at least 8 hours. I used Valvoline max life trans fluid. Dealer brand fluid isn’t necessary. Truck drives beautifully now. Quieter than before.
Just did 2 drain and fills on my '14 Big Horn at 91K miles. I used Valvoline Maxlife ATF and a Dorman pan. It shifts better than ever IMHO. I have a transmission thermostat bypass installed so the transmission no longer operates at 200F+ temps. I am hoping that the truck outlasts me. Priced a new one lately? Jeesh!
I have a 2019 Ram 1500 Laramie with the 5.7 V-8 and the ZF-8 speed transmission. I am planning on changing my transmission fluid at 40,000 miles and the fluid and filter at 60,000 miles. This Ram is the best full sized truck I have ever owned, and I have owned them all. It is the most comfortable, economical, powerful and safest truck I have owned in the last 60 years of me being on the road.
Zf, the designer of the transmission recommends 100k km or 60k miles, 5 years for service. I did my service at 60k and the fluid was disgusting. Replace the pan/filter combo and refill the fluid it isn’t hard
I tow with my Ram so I follow ZF recommendations. My Ram dealer did it, they were reluctant due to the cost of the parts. My local trans shop had only done one. It's odd your dealer doesn't do it.
@@simontallboy209I bought the mopar trans filter/pan combo on Amazon for $250. I bought the mopar 8speed fluid for $30 per quart. It took about 4qts. I did it myself in my garage. Easy..several UA-cam videos on it
I went to a dedicated transmission shop that I trust, and they did it for me. They said it was QUITE a job getting the pan swapped out.. 500 some dollars, not cheap but new transmissions aren't cheap either. Doing mine every 60k.
Simple ! It’s a disposable bic lighter that will cost you $12 grand when it breaks or buy a new truck which is exactly what they want you to do . Mystery solved . Your welcome
I changed mine 3 times on my 2015 ram Longhorn there is a process drain fill temp between 89-122 run through the gears refill. Best to be done at home get the truck off the ground and level the day before changing fluid. I used Amsoil ATF blue label shifts better than OEM fluid. I have 10,000 miles on my 2022 ram 1500 limited I will be changing the fluid very soon cheap insurance. I changed the coolant every 30,000 miles fluids I dont trust none of them
I changed mine at 50,000 miles, the beginning of the range ZF recommends to change the fluid in their own product. Considering transmission fluid change intervals used to be on the order of 30,000 miles, 50,000 seems reasonable for a well-engineered modern transmission. "Never" does not sound reasonable. I ended up installing one of PPE's Ram 1500 aluminum transmission pans, and plan to drop it every 50,000 miles to replace the replaceable PPE filter inside, and fluid with ZF's "Lifeguard Fluid 8." Remember, lifetime fill will never be a false statement, because when the tranny dies, the lifetime has been attained. Boo. I plan to keep mine as long as possible, so frequent transmission fluid changes are a no-brainer for me.
Congrats on the power wagon I have an 845 re in my 1500 Tradesman. At 98,000 miles I swapped out the pan/filter and re filled via the specific procedure with Chrysler 8+9 speed fluid. Cost me about 250.00 doing it myself laying on the ground. That was a little over 10k miles ago. I sent the fluid to my oil sample company. It did show wear but wasn't completely gone. I have frequently towed more than I should have. Almost double my tow rating (not recommended). Still going. Did my diff fluid at 80k miles. V6 3.21 axle ratio 2wd
very cool info! so your transmission fluid could of in theory still ran for a while longer? How are you liking the v6? I know people really seem to like them.
@@TheGettyAdventures I got one about 16 months ago and have put over 40,000 miles on it over that time. Gets better gas mileage than any of the midsize V6 engines and has enough pep to pass vehicles on the road when needed. I just hope I can get over 200,000 miles out of it like I did with my 5.7 Hemi.
Definitely change your transmission fluid. It is mentioned in the maintenance manual schedule as far as I know. When they tell you it will last the lifetime of the vehicle, they are going by the standard time frame that people keep vehicles, which is 5 years. Of course this all depends on how long you plan on keeping the vehicle and how you use it. If you do a lot miles on the vehicle, then you need to change the transmission fluid every 80,000kms according to my manual. If you constantly towing or off roading, then I would reduce that number to 60,000 kms.
Damn they shouldn't say this cause maybe if I changed my trans fluid at the appropriate mileage my 2006 Chevy impala might still be running I love the car and I long drive from home to work it Pissed me off cause I Thought finally American cars were built right
I changed my transmission fluid on my 2017 ram 1500 Right after I hit 100,000 miles. The fluid wasn’t super dirty but definitely was not in the same condition as the new fluid. One of the dealer mechanics agree with me far as changing the fluid out every 100,000 miles Unless I’m doing a lot of towing if so change it every 70,000 miles.
I'm at 67k on my 2017 ram1500 I do tow hay and a four wheeler trailer often. I was told it's a life time no Maintenance transmission lol I'm glad I found this video and your comments ill be changing it very soon.
Dealer here says the same thing, we don’t service the transmission, after some prodding, the service manager said, bring it in at 100,000 miles and we’ll service the transmission, fluid and filter change, the pan is plastic, you could DIY or purchase a new one or clean and reseal original pan, very specific fill instructions, plug on side of pan is where you fill, don’t overfill, at specified temperature you have to double check the correct level, till you get it right, that’s probably why the dealers aren’t very enthusiastic about this service, it’s time consuming!
100k miles I changed fluid and filter/pan. The fluid is good until the end of life of the transmission. Whether that is 100k or 200k. You'll get more life out when you change transmission fluid/filer. Don't silly, change your fluid!
Local transmission shop says the same thing unless it developed a leak no need to change it. Being a heavy construction equipment technician today's oil has so many additives oil break down rare my ram has 105,000. I'm going to believe for now I agree with the dealership. But we shall see with time. I'll keep in touch if you want
Had my ZF transmission fluid changed at Valvoline quick change 9 qts. no filter. $180 plus tax. 2015 Grand Cherokee 114785 miles at time of change have put on 500 miles since, still runs good. Hope this helps
You're supposed to change the pan and fluid when you service these transmissions, because the filter is built into the pan, and only green ZF fluid is recommended because it lasts much longer than red dexron fluids! 👍🏽
Wish me luck. My 2014 is an old farm truck. 220k and it’s going still strong. Only thing the truck has had besides very consistent oil changes has been a water pump replacement.
Have you changed the transmission in it? I’ve had my 2016 since it had 105k and now it’s at 231k and was wondering if I should change the fluid. I don’t think it’s ever been changed
@@jesusgarcia1589 man I’m afraid of jinxing my luck here. I still have the truck and it’s running a tad over 230k. Still the factory 8 speed with factory fluid. She’s still a peppin along. I’m not familiar with this transmission. But I’m afraid that it would make issues now changing the fluid. I could be wrong here but I wonder if changing the fluid would do what older neglected transmissions would do when introducing a new fluid that would wash out the remaining good clearances.
I’ve heard the same. I heard from Reignited Cycle and Automotive UA-cam channel who was a mechanic for Dodge/Ram mention that most issues with ZF come after doing a transmission fluid change lol I guess if it ain’t broke don’t fix it lol
It's just strange, I understand that sometimes changing transmission fluid can actually make automatic clutches slip more then with the dirty grippier trans fluid but at some point you would think that clean fluid is better then broken down old fluid. It's an interesting topic
@SendNods The ZF transmission are know to be very well built units but ya I wouldn't put it past Chrysler trying to shortened their lifespan to try and sell more trucks. they are built well enough that most will make it out of extended warranty without issues. but without service over the years you would think it would probably shorten the lifespan.
14 Ram 1500 here just got it in December. With 160,000. For $20,000. Yesterday I noticed a possible sloshing sound while the transmission was downshifting. I have a feeling it's never been changed. After seeing some of you guys comments I'm going to take my truck to get the oil and filter changed.
Find another dealer, who will. If you can't find one, look for a reputable transmission shop, that specializes in transmission services. (someone like AMMCO) I don't care what anyone says, there is always clutch pack wear when a transmission shifts, especially while under heavy load. 8-speed transmissions do a lot of shifting as well. The transmission will need new fluid, and perhaps, a new pickup filter. When new, the clutch packs will shed more material, as they're 'breaking in' . After that first change, they don't need to be serviced as often.
Very true! Ram's transfer case uses clutch packs as well and they recommend like every 60k or something. I've heard these ZF transmission are very well built and can last a long time. I could probably service the thing myself but I also wouldn't mind paying a little extra for someone who specializes just to do it for me.
This is probably the best transmission dodge has ever used and go figure it's not made by dodge. In the 90s when I worked for Dodge they had tons of transmission issues they really made up for that with these ones. I wouldn't worry if you don't do a lot of towing and quit frankly dropping the pan isn't gonna do a lot you need to flush out the old fluid while it's running and if the filter is clogged your transmission is already going bad. It used to be common practice to drop the pan and change the filter but 99% of the time a good transmission won't need a filter it'll look brand new so unless there's a leak there's no reason to drop the pan. But you can drain it if you have a drain then drive around drain it again and again until it actually makes a difference. Same thing with my 22 hemi Durango nothing in the manual about transmission fluid changing but if it never gets overheated it should continue doing what it's supposed to do.
Actually it is made by Chrysler. They have exclusive rights from ZF to build these 8spds for themselves. They can't sell them to anyone else. They are a great transmission!
@@oldironguy The ZF transmission used in the Ram is based on the same transmission (ZF 8HP) used across many brands. Sure the ZF 8HP RE TorqueFlight version is specific to Ram because they customized it to their applications. But the transmission it's based on is seen in BMW, Land Rover, Audi, Rolls Royce, and Jaguar. You are right though, that even though it's a ZF based design, Stellantis manufactures them.
@cyearns 100%correct. It is the same basic design that is used by many European manufacturers. As I stated, Chrysler builds them for their own use and cannot sell them to other brands. The one thing that is different is that Chrysler is the Only manufacturer allowed by ZF to build their transmissions apart from ZF themselves. Chrysler is also allowed to develop their own specific mapping and tuning for the ones that they produce.
Just discovered this today lol. I'm 180k kms in and asked my dealer when the last time the trans oil was changed... umm never? They never do it? And they want over $2k to do a fluid change? I priced the OEM fluid and replacement cover/filter and it's at least $1500 CAD for just those! Holy crap. I'm going to buy the fluid a new pan myself and get a local mechanic to do it (I don't have a lift or I would). The steps are complicated but there are good tutorials on YT, check out the Blau one it's very clear. I also have the header bolt breaking problem. The dealer wants $2k CAD to essentially lift the truck up, take the wheel liners off, take the headers off, take the bolts off and fix the holes, cleanup the surfaces, MILL THE HEADERS, and reinstall. I'm buying shorty tuned headers and just going to replace the suckers... will be less price and better outcome.
I had the same problem with my Subaru dealer telling me that the CVT fluid is good for life " WE don't change fluid here " he said. I called another dealer and it was obvious that their customer base was bringing their cars in for CVT fluid changes. I took my car there and for a reasonable fee had my fluid changed. Getty adventures might try another dealer for his Ram 1500.
My Ram started shifting harshly at 100k miles. The dealer and some other mechanics told me that it is not even possible to change the oil on these without taking the transmission apart. Not even a dipstick on them. The manager as Valvoline oil change said he has this transmission on his personal vehicle and changes his trans oil no problem. He was able to do it for me using the transmission flush equipment they have available. It is shifting is much softer now and not jerking when I take off from a stop. Apparently, you can't take the "experts" word for it on these transmissions anymore than you can take their word for it on the recommended 10K mile oil change intervals... which is also apparently not true.
Even with the obvious overstatements of their capabilities the ZF is an incredible transmission. Sound German Automotive actually has unlocked the ZF transmissions and is selling a transmission controller for like $1100US. With paddle shifters its like $1600
@@TheGettyAdventures Definitely change your fluid. In the BMW world, BMW claims lifetime fill (like many manufacturers do now) but ZF actually says to change the fluid at 60k for that application. BMW ignores that advice. Those who keep their fluid fresh almost never have trans issues whereas those who leave the factory fill often have issues by 150-170k. Change it :)
Is it a drain and fill process? I heard that the actual transmission pan contains a filter and the entire assembly gets replaced along with the fluid. It all has to be done at a certain temperature. Is this correct? How much and what spec fluid does it take?
My dealer told me it needs service at 100,000 miles and it will cost me 750.00 for them to do it. Why make something so hard to check and take care of other then to make the customer go to the dealer and spend a super dumb amount of money for something that should be so much easier with the technology we have today! Cause the working class is just made of money! Are country is turning into a competition of what entity can screw the people the most!
Nobody is making you use the dealer for this service....any competent transmission shop can handle this. They make it "hard to check" because they want to limit the possibility of dirt getting into the transmission.
@@Atlec-j9y Yeah but to his point a dealer has the EXPERTS not some joe blow transmission shop with Willy who's dad taught him from a young age how to "work" on a variety of transmissions. I hear horror stories from local mom and pop transmission shops. So the dealer should be the cheapest most reliable and most inexpensive place to take a car you buy FROM THEM! Customer service in America is absolute SHYT! PERIOD! These companies don't give a shyt because there is no competition anymore in free markets. Nobody has any purchasing power anymore. It's all debt and credit markets. You will own nothing and be happy. Built in obsolescence in ICE cars is so we all are forced to make the switch to EV. Have fun!
Toyota has "lifetime" interval on number of them too. Toyota also does not recommend flushing transmissions. I know of a few around 500k. The reality is most will be scrapped before the trans fails.
I saw CANADA & Ontario on ur plate so I just hit the "Like" my 2014 has 310k and haven't had to do a thing yet (knock on wood lol) Gr8 vid Alex just wish ya had a bit more info with what to do or plans with what should be done @ 160-300+ k Kms. Cheers
I have a Ram 1500 with the ZF 8 speed with 158,000 miles on it. I have not serviced the trans at all and have yet to have any issues. My wife has a Cherokee with the ZF 9 speed with 188,000 miles on it without any service and has had zero issues as well. That said, I wish I could do a trans flush on them. I would have done in at 75,000 mile intervals if that were possible.
Don't do a flush, it will wash out anything that keep it tight, i understand it is sealed, however mechanic common sense says there is wear, and there has to be particles in the nooks and crannies'
These new 8-speed transmissions are built by the German company ZF, and use green ZF fluid, not the cheap dexron red fluid! ZF doesn't include a dipstick because they don't want people adding dexron or additives, which would contaminate their fluid. ZF recommends changing the pan/fluid at 150 000 kms and you must purchase the proper kit for this job. ZF fluid is expensive because it's a 'lifetime' fluid, and not garbage dexron fluid which needs to be changed more freque frequently!
@@SyrupCanuck My recommendation is to purchase the proper pan and 6 bottles of either Mopar 8/9 speed fluid or ZF Lifeguard 8 fluid and take it to a trusted shop and watch them change the pan and fluid correctly! 💯
I have a 2016 ram 1500 sport with the ZF 8 speed. I changed mine at 95k with the Mopar fluid. You can also use the ZF life Gaurd 8. I’m also A BMW tech, BMWs use the ZF8-Hp also. All of the manufacture say lifetime and that’s usually 100K for fluids.
If you have over 60-70k miles, dont even bother changing the fluid. It’s to late. The chances of damaging become greater. And the zfs are extremely temperamental when putting new fluid in. And never ever drain and replace with the amount that came out
My buddy gots a 6.0 Super Duty with 550k miles and the original transmission is bulletproof, only thing he does is change the fluid when it’s that time to do it. I got a 2005 4runner with 221k miles and the largest toyota dealer in the U.S. told me I got a sealed transmission & I never have to change the fluid. I always disagreed with that theory but in reality my transmission is running just fine so I can’t complain.
@@TheGettyAdventures I’m actually considering a new Ram 1500 big horn V6 and I believe it has the same 8 speed as the hemi. Either way I would service it right when the warranty ends which is around 60k miles I believe.
I have a 2014 Nissan Maxima and it is also a lifetime transmission, and what they mean by that is it's under warranty until the transmission dies then your s.o.l. but I still removed my transmission pan and changed it anyway
Not speaking to the ZF, but transmission in general. In 20 years I have never changed the transmission fluid in any truck and have driven them between 140,000 to 238,000 miles this way. With some people that I respect vehicle wise saying the only time transmission problems show up is when the transmission fluid is changed. Not based on science just the Brow word, so huge grain of salt needed, and my experience.
spot on these online guys just tell you to change everything drop fill like its just simple oil change . I went over 350k orig fluid plan on keeping it that way
I have the same questions you have. Called around and got different answer. One shop told me 160,000 miles but he also thought that seemed like too many miles.The Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge dealer told me 60,000 miles. Still waiting for a transmission shop to get back to me with their answer. I looked at my owners manual and didn't see anything on the 8 speed trans., only about the six speed transmission. Life time does not make sense to me either.
Well, I tried to get the transmission fluid changed in my Ram 1500 at 70,000 miles. I had trouble finding anyone who could figure out how to do it. At one point was told it would take specialized equipment and cost about $600! At about 78,000 miles the transmission bit the dust. At the 62,000 mile mark I had spent $2000 on dealing with the Penstar tick (camshaft bearings). I decided to trade the truck rather than having a second major repair at less than 80,000 miles.
I just had my ram transmission serviced with a new filter and fluid at 99K. Now have 111K and the transmissions are starting to slip and surge. I just traded it back to the Ram dealer for a new 2023 Ram, a very expensive truck. My dealer said not to change the fluid and I said, BS, but now I know why they said that. Doesn't seem right.
If you had those issues after a transmission service they might have used the wrong fluid or got some contamination in the fluid during the process. The only reason they said not to change it is because Ram says it doesn't need to be, not because it can cause issues.
For what it's worth! I was told the same. Had a good friend who had some insight. He told me if I use it, tow with it, to change it every 80 thousand. Pan and filter is one piece. Not cheap, I paid 300 for the pan filter. Hope this helps!
Change it every 35k not 80k way too long there’s no such thing as oil of any type that resists heat and breakdown over 50k miles, it just doesn’t exist. They will last until after warranty and break.
Been told the same thing from the five local dealership in my area. They just don’t service them. They tell me to keep an eye on the temperature and it there’s any leakage around the seal. My 2013 Ram 1500 has over 174000 miles on it, and the fluid has not been changed. Still shifts as if it’s new. I don’t tow that much with it so that might have something to do with it.
They make a filter pan kit 👍 Amsoil all the way! .. Changing all my fluids early just to get their products into my vehicle ASAP .. This is my 1st and last new Truck , I hope to keep it around a bit
@@TheGettyAdventures Yes Sir 2 different kinds, just go to their website and punch in your vehicle.. @Amsoil when's payday? lol I don't work for them but I've always trusted their products ,started way back with my Yamaha 700 raptor when they came out in 06 👍 .. I'm one of those picky jerks, I will only use premium with no ethanol as well
ZF Freirichshafen AG, the manufacturer of the RAM 8 speed transmission recommends that the transmission oil and filter be changed every 60,000 miles. And that’s what I’m going with.
I trade every 3 years on my birthday 🎂 so it doesn't matter to me , I started buying Ram in 1998 and I'm 63 now , a couple times I waited 4 years to trade because of the market , I live full time RV life off grid and always pulled a Camper and cars on my trailer and I've never had a Ram transmission problem . I've had real good luck with Ram , I'm not downing other brands ,I'm just a Ram man .because I love the look at first then got hooked of the performance .
I live in Calgary Alberta they said the same about my AWD challenger... 😆. Im taking it to a transmission shop to get a fluid change. Going with Amsoil
I wrote them an email for part 8HP 70 1st which are 1500’s 2015-. This is what they said “5. Maintenance recommendations ZF automatic transmissions 3/4-speed automatic transmissions: ZF 3 and 4-speed automatic transmissions must be filled with approved ATF oils according to ZF list of lubricants TE-ML 11, lubricant class 11A / 11B or with mineral ATF oils according to the former Specification Dexron II / Dexron III by General Motors. For oil-change intervals consult the vehicle manufacturer's specifications. 5-, 6-, 8- and 9-speed as well as 4HP20 automatic transmissions: ZF 5-, 6-, 8- and 9-speed as well as the ZF 4HP20 automatic transmissions are filled maintenance-free with specially developed semi-synthetic ATF oils. However, due to the many factors influencing the service life of transmissions in individual operation, ZF recommends an oil change after 150,000 km for its transmissions. In operating conditions with high temperatures and loads, or with unknown vehicle use in the past, it can make sense to change the transmission oil at shorter intervals. In each case, only released ATF oil may be used for oil changes. And oil changes must be performed in accordance with the relevant specifications. The exception is the ZF 5HP18 automatic transmission which must be filled differently depending on the version.”
I have a 2017 ram 1500 with 75,000 miles and I also was curious with changing the transmission oil, so I went to the dealer and they said no 😂 I was trippin for a min didn’t listen to them I just recently took my truck to a local shop and I had them change the oil pan to a bigger one with royal purple transmission oil.
Per ZF, manufacturer of that transmission. They say 150km to change fluid. Sooner if in high temperature, high loads, or unknown vehicle use. I am changing pan, filter, and fluid this weekend on my daughter's Alfa Romeo Giulia. It has the ZF 8HP50 transmission. My local Alfa dealership said the same as yours and for the same reason. I trust the company who actually makes the product. Manufacturers say lifetime as to make it seem to lower "maintenance cost" to the consumers. Please change it and it isn't difficult at all.
Great point, I had 2006 toyota sequoia limited 200k miles 320k km with sealed transmission no issues at all ,i did little bit of research back than regarding sealed transmission oil change interval and find out that it could potentially damage some transmission components with new oil which would offer better lubrication cleanliness and less friction is where problems arise, friction in transmission oil is very delicate subject ,bottom line is if its shifting well live it alone ,.
Ya that's kind of my fear. Because I have heard of issues arising from new fluid. I'm kinda leaning towards changing the fluid anyways. there seems to be a small noticeable noise when downshifting to 1st gear. So we'll see I hoping to call some local transmission shops and see what they have heard in regards to this transmission
@@TheGettyAdventures Totally agree definitely try changing oil and filter first make sure its original oil not aftermarket, made in EU is going to better quality since ZF is made in Austria , in case no visible results add some Liqui Moly mos2 or Ceratec it will provide less fiction highly beneficial in same instances, let me know how did go,best of luck.
Thank you for wonderful videos and your dedication , I personally own 2019 ram 1500 new body style added 6120 BILSTEIN front and rear SHOCKS coilovers big game changer , ICON dual rate springs on the back ,forged aluminum upper control arms huge improvement in ride quality and custom SS exhaust all sitting on 35×12.5R20 BFGOODRICH KO2 Switched from nitto ridge grappler Great tire but quality of ruber on BF KO2 are just not comparable. If you ever find out all little FCA secrets about Borger Warner all wheel drive transfer case mining what does engages clutches besides outside temperature, Wiper blades on ,manual gear shifter on ,slippage, how does steering input works in conjunction with clutches when turning reducing 4WD operation or its disconnecting I will be very curious to know,thanks again for all your quality time.
Very false statement no oil exists yet by any manufacturer to date that can resist heat and friction break down of oil over 50k miles. Transmission fluid is supposed to be changed every 35k, the problem is manufacturers have tooken advantage of consumers with no mechanical understanding. They tell things like “lifetime” or 100k oil life. And in reality your after 35k miles your fluid starts breaking down becoming acidic and losing its lubrication properties, then your clutch packs start wearing down to the point where the old fluid is full of burnt clutch material. When you get to this point the only thing that keeps the tranny shifting is the clutch material in the fluid so it can grab. If you change your fluid regularly your clutch packs don’t degrade. So essentially listen to this guy with zero mechanical understanding obviously and slowly but surely destroy your transmission. Or just have some common sense and change the fluid every 35k. The longer you wait past the 30k mark the more you damage the transmission.
I tried to get mine serviced at around 50,000 miles and the dealership wanted me to sign a waiver saying they aren’t responsible if anything happens to it and that I should come back at 80k-100k when it is considered acceptable wear so I don’t have to sign that waiver
The fact is that Chrysler is in business to sell vehicles. Having transmissions that last for ever is counter productive in selling vehicles. A regularly serviced ZF transmission could very well last "for ever". Going by an extra long or non existent service interval, the ZF transmission is designed to out last the longest MOPAR warranty that you can buy. After that, you're on your own when there is a failure. The theory is keep the customer happy long enough to become loyal, but not so long as to never have to buy another vehicle. That said, ZF has service kits available on their website, and if I recall correctly, they recommend service every 100,000 km (62,000 miles).
I agree with you 100%, As long as the transmission lasts past warranty and keeps customers happy that's all that matters. But my guess is Chrysler doesn't want folks driving the same truck for 10-20 years they want them driving a truck for 8-9 years then buying another. So it seems like everyone is pointing to the ZF website recommendations and they probably know best!
Production began in 2013. Although the 850RE Torqueflite is built-and-designed in the United States, the design is licensed from the German built-and-designed ZF 8HP transmission. Its worth the fluid change!
I have a ‘15 1500 5.7 with the 8 speed. Bought it in 2019 with 64,000 miles. I did a flush at 125,000. Everything was fine. But it’s just not worth the risk. Down time and cost man… Totally worth a little pm time and small amount of cash.
I am replacing the ZF 8 speed transmission in my '14 Ram now for the SECOND time. It has 302K miles. The first one went bad at 190K miles. The second one was used with 75K on it, so if you add it up both transmissions have lasted about 190K miles. I guess that's a "lifetime" according to the manufacturer. My advice is to follow ZF's instructions and replace the pan with the built in filter and the fluid at their recommended intervals.
@@cornelius6304 even still though I'm a little surprised they're only lasting 70kish miles. Theres people who never change their fluid last a lot long than that. Even my car it doesn't call for a fluid change til 60k. Either there's really sensitive af parts in thing or it's a not all what I thought it was as a transmission
If you never changed the fluid, or over worked it I could see this. There are truck owners tow way over what their trucks are rated for. That will kill a transmission very quickly in any truck. You can say what you want, but there is now way you can prove it.
My 2015 8 speed has 200,000 miles on it with no problems with it. The Ram dealer said no service required. Currently my truck is at the Ram dealer for a differential overhaul. I’m considering a transmission overhaul at a transmission shop I trust since I’m planning a trip from Kansas City to Key West in October I really don’t want to at the mercy of a dealer somewhere. Any comments?
I wonder if all the manufacturers that use this trans all use the same fluid just with their own branding, or if the fluid is slightly different between brands. I the ZF 8 speed in my 2022 BMW 330i, and I plan on changing the fluid and filter somewhere the neighborhood of 50-75k miles.
I just got to this part of the video, and you answered your question that you did ask of viewers by expressing that the manufacturer of the transmission states transmission, oil, change, or oil flush interval. That is what you go by if you're able to find that information, but if not, we'd have to go by our owners manual, which again is the minimum standard at which to maintain the engine & transmission in order to maintain warranty and get it to the point where it's outside of warranty when it fails. The marketing strategies in which the vehicle dealerships and sales representatives come up with is pretty shady at best. You can never heard anything on a vehicle by changing it more often rather than not at all..
My dealer told me that they do not service either. If you have an issue like mine at 120000 miles it has developed a shutter after it shifts then they suggested to me to replace it all at a cost of 8000. Transmission and labor. 11/1/22 At 8000 I will continue to drive it until it quits as there is no slippage at all. I have had a transmission fluid rejuvenation at prolube which did not fix the shutter.
Just bought a 2021 ram, w/ 21000 miles. Was wondering too. I am selling my 04 titan, with 225000 miles. Owning a garage at one time, I believe they have to be changed..... when? .... I'd say 50 to 60,000 miles, no more than 100,000.
Audi told me the exact same thing for a 3.0T Supercharged V6. I called dealerships in my state and the next state and that’s the standard. Audi’s gone to a regular service interval since that C8 model. Keep digging. They probably plan on a new Transmission every 200km or so.
I am inquiring about changing my automatic transmission fluid on my 2014 ram 1500 at this time. Like you I've heard several things, and not sure what to do. What did you finally do?
As a Mopar master tech, and a owner of a ram I suggest doing it when ever you want too. It's not a hard job to do, they do say NOT to flush the 8 or the 9 speed trans, and they do say its filled for life, and if the wrong trans fluid is used it will damage the trans. Flushing and dropping the pan and replacing the filter and fluid is the best way to do modern trans IMHO. 60k miles is the norm for most auto trans.
Subaru is the same way. No maintenance necessary just means that it will make it past warranty. Then it's your problem. SO: upgrade to a newer pan with drain and swap out the pan/ filter if/when you can. ZF's right and if anything, assume that the MOPAR licensed version is not built to the same level of precision as the factory ZF ones, so spend a few extra dollars on a couple of 60% at a time (most you can drain per change) fluid swap. Cheaper than a new tranny.
Told me the same when I took mine (2016) in to get serviced. Dodge says no I’m buying a Chevy next time. Last Dodge I had done every 60,000 never a problem. Have 60 ,000 right now and the just absolutely wouldn’t do it at Dodge
It's just wild to me that they won't service it at dodge. I know the service is a pain in the ass to do but if customers are asking you would think they would do it.
So.....you have no problems with your trans, but you're going to buy a Chevy next time because of it? You might want to do a Google search on trans issues with GM trucks.
@TheGettyAdventures It's a process to do, and honestly having under paid techs do it would cost them more money in the long run that just not changing it and letting it fail outside of the power train warranty. If you spend time learning how it's done properly. It's honestly not too difficult of a job. Just stressful and tedious for first timer. Take your time read the procedure multiple times. God speed
What about just changing the oil that is sitting in the trans when it is cold. Not a complete change just to refresh the fluid? Drain what you can and replace.This procedure is simple.
I can’t speak to why Chrysler won’t give a service interval, but I don’t buy lifetime fluid for a minute. I have a 2017 Ram 1500 with a 6” suspension lift and 35’s, 8hp70 and 3.92 gears. I tow a two horse trailer, utility trailer and a travel trailer. There is absolutely no way that I am going to allow fluid to stay in my transmission until it fails and find myself buying a new one just due to lack of maintenance. The fluid that is manufactured by ZF, branded by Chrysler, and sold for almost $40 a quart is a group 3 Hydrocracked synthetic. It’s a decent fluid, not an incredible fluid. It is designed to last long enough to get through the initial warranty period under normal use. At 50,000 miles, I did a complete flush to get all of that group 3 fluid out and replaced it with Amsoil low viscosity transmission fluid. (Blue bottle). This fluid not only meets, but greatly exceeds all of the specifications for the factory fluid, and is far superior in every way. It is a group 4 synthetic base stock and will outperform and outlast any group 3 under harsh conditions. It should be noted that the factory fluid that came out of that transmission at only 50,000 miles did not look new anymore. I know my truck works harder than most 1500s between my driving style, the large tires, added wind resistance of the lift, and the towing that I do. That said, if the fluid was already visibly starting to break down at 50,000 miles, I can’t imagine that it would’ve made it to 100,000. My truck now has 100,000 miles on it and I am going to drop the pan, replace the filter, and refill that fluid with Amsoil again. If the fluid does not look brand new, I will do another flush after the pan drop. I also plan to send a sample of the oil removed for oil analysis, which will be very telling. I have had absolutely no issues with my transmission, and I do not expect that I will as long as I continue to maintain it.
I’m not a rep, just a believer in great products. Amsoil, Levi’s, Hornady and Stihl are about the only manufacturers of any products that have impressed me to the point that I will use nothing else if I have the option. And any reputable brand of ethanol free gasoline…another no compromise product for my small or seasonal engines. Just my preferences, I know there are many other quality products on the market as well.
When does your warranty end? What people dont know is that the life of the transmission ends when your warranty ends. Remember that. Looks like you have a classic ram. Are you sure you dont have a 845re trans?
I’ve heard the exact same thing at the purchasing Dodge Ram dealership, the service department said the 8speed Ram 1500 fluid change not required, i’m flabbergasted, never anything like it, maybe it’s incompetent service procedure by the mechanic, cheaper to simply replace one or two vs a bunch due to poor maintenance procedures, and then the warranty runs out, and the big monkey is off their backs, that’s the only thing that makes any sense!
Definitely don't go to the dealer. Because I went and They changed it but the idiot That changed my fluid did not follow manufacture recommendation. And my transmission was short for quart and a 1/2 of oil. Because he didn't go through all steps, Now transmission is shifting hard and jerking. But of course, it's not their fault..
Damm remember I bought Chevy 2006 impala the dealership told me the same thing they said the trans fluid lasted a lifetime but at a 100k the damn Trans gear gave out I was passed cause they told me the same thing
What happens when you take it to the dealership and tell them to service the transmission and they tell you they don’t service an eight speed transmission I’m going on 78 and I’m not getting under a truck for no reason
ZF is the company that manufacters and designed this transmission its 50k to 60k miles. Listen to the designer. Lifeime means the life of the warranty. The serfice and fill procedure is actually prety simple. Having it on level ground is very important.
so what was the end result of this? our 2017 1500 has 100k(kilometers) and a third of that is towing 7000lbs at highway speeds. should i be concerned? did you change yours? maybe i'll get you to change ours when we're in fredericton in august!
Life time is nonsense.. dirty is dirty… You can service it. From what I have read it needs to be done at 60,000 miles. You can buy mopar pan and filter. A ammoco transmission shop can do it.
I serviced mine at 90,000 miles installed a ppe trans pan that holds I think 2 or 3 extra quarts of fluid and it's an alluminun pan with a replaceable filter and used AMSOIL signature series high efficiency fluid the transmission never worked better.
I had issues with my 2014 right about when warranty ran out it kept going but shifted speratically which was very annoying Anyhow was told the same thing don’t do it ever I tried to get it done and no one wanted anything to do with it The prosess of changing it does look complicated but it’s getting quite technical if your over or under filled by a cup fill I’ve never seen it hurt anything else being over filled by a bit just my opinion I do believe I will be changing my own in my new one Drain the oil measure it put new back in how hard can it be really
You would think it would be that easy lol I was shocked when I looked up the actual full "procedure" to see how complicated they made it. I'm sure it's for good reason but still. I think I'm going to change it myself as well. seems silly to just accept that it's lifetime fluid.
Zf recommends they be replaced every 60,000miles. Are you going to trust ram who "uses" the 8hp70 or are you going to trust zf who makes them. I'll be doing it next summer around 70,000km. Ordered the ppe pan from Canadian diesel online and 2 jugs of valvoline maxlife atf.
The term lifetime used by the industry is what's known to be the lifetime of the owner for that vehicle that's their industries standard and that's how they get away with a marketing but you are right the owners manual does state 100,000 miles in which the transmission should be serviced and that doesn't include under severe conditions which would be probably at 50,000 miles in severe driving conditions like towing or uphill driving & CITY driving. It's a marketing employee that other manufactures have used and it's no different than the 20 000 mile once a year oil change, which is again bullshit, but it will get that engine through till warranty is up doing those mile changes that way, which is how the engineered because automotive manufacturers are in the business of selling vehicles not parts. Nothing has changed in the last 15 years and all the sudden we can go twice as long without oil change. The internal components of a hemi are almost identical to the first generation other than the addition of the MDS system, but in order to sell more vehicles, the numbers are altered in order to give customers more time because we don't want to be inconvenienced now nowadays, and time is money, and unless we have to do to maintain our vehicles the better. Nothing has changed. We still need to do the same maintenance we did 1015 years ago but the transmissions and the engines are all engineered by the lifetime spec being the lifetime of the owner and driver of that vehicle. It'll make it through out of warranty and then if something fails, it's probably cheaper to buy a new one and that's how it's done. Almost disposable cars nowadays unfortunately.
When I went to the Georgetown dealership, they said they would do 8speed trans service but it was like $1500 and said it was good for the life of the vehicle as well. I have a 6 speed that I bought with 227000kms, I’m looking at getting it done as well, but when I asked them about it they said if it’s not giving you problems don’t bother. I’m like you tho, like to take care of my equipment would rather get it done before we have a problem. Did you end up getting yours changed ?.
they say it is a well built trans. and I mean to be honest it's been offered since 2015 I think and well 7 years later you don't hear anything bad about them yet so I would think its fair to assume they are decent units!
I just changed my fluid and filter on my Ram 1500 Warlock. Hit 50,000 miles. It’s not a difficult job to do yourself.
Make sure you have all the tools necessary before you get started.
Remove the fill plug first. Take out the pan bolts and remove the old pan.
Install the new pan, finger tighten the bolts, all of them. When you are certain the pan is aligned correctly, use criss cross pattern and tighten all the pan bolts. Not too tightly!! They didn’t require much force to remove. You don’t want to pinch the gasket and cause a leak. Fill with new fluid through the plug hole. I used a hand pump that threads into oil bottles. Fill it until it starts running out. Took roughly 4 quarts. Only do this service when the vehicle is cold, hasn’t run for at least 8 hours. I used Valvoline max life trans fluid. Dealer brand fluid isn’t necessary. Truck drives beautifully now. Quieter than before.
Just did 2 drain and fills on my '14 Big Horn at 91K miles. I used Valvoline Maxlife ATF and a Dorman pan. It shifts better than ever IMHO. I have a transmission thermostat bypass installed so the transmission no longer operates at 200F+ temps. I am hoping that the truck outlasts me. Priced a new one lately? Jeesh!
I did the same thing. It’s not hard at all.
I have a 2019 Ram 1500 Laramie with the 5.7 V-8 and the ZF-8 speed transmission. I am planning on changing my transmission fluid at 40,000 miles and the fluid and filter at
60,000 miles. This Ram is the best full sized truck I have ever owned, and I have owned them all. It is the most comfortable, economical, powerful and safest truck I have owned in the last 60 years of me being on the road.
You will be paying for a complete new oil pan for each tranny filter change, as it is attached permanently to the olil pan. Dealer quoted me >$940.
I have a 2016 1500 4x4 5.7..210k miles...never touched it..truck runs like a beast
Imagine if you took care of it have your ok local mechanic look over everything
Zf, the designer of the transmission recommends 100k km or 60k miles, 5 years for service. I did my service at 60k and the fluid was disgusting. Replace the pan/filter combo and refill the fluid it isn’t hard
fair enough! thanks for the info!
Do you have a link to parts and tools needed?
The only problem is is ZF gonna to cover your butt if something goes wrong doing this? Doubt it lol
I tow with my Ram so I follow ZF recommendations. My Ram dealer did it, they were reluctant due to the cost of the parts. My local trans shop had only done one.
It's odd your dealer doesn't do it.
@@simontallboy209I bought the mopar trans filter/pan combo on Amazon for $250. I bought the mopar 8speed fluid for $30 per quart. It took about 4qts. I did it myself in my garage. Easy..several UA-cam videos on it
I went to a dedicated transmission shop that I trust, and they did it for me. They said it was QUITE a job getting the pan swapped out.. 500 some dollars, not cheap but new transmissions aren't cheap either. Doing mine every 60k.
Simple ! It’s a disposable bic lighter that will cost you $12 grand when it breaks or buy a new truck which is exactly what they want you to do . Mystery solved . Your welcome
I changed mine 3 times on my 2015 ram Longhorn there is a process drain fill temp between 89-122 run through the gears refill. Best to be done at home get the truck off the ground and level the day before changing fluid. I used Amsoil ATF blue label shifts better than OEM fluid. I have 10,000 miles on my 2022 ram 1500 limited I will be changing the fluid very soon cheap insurance. I changed the coolant every 30,000 miles fluids I dont trust none of them
I changed mine at 50,000 miles, the beginning of the range ZF recommends to change the fluid in their own product. Considering transmission fluid change intervals used to be on the order of 30,000 miles, 50,000 seems reasonable for a well-engineered modern transmission. "Never" does not sound reasonable.
I ended up installing one of PPE's Ram 1500 aluminum transmission pans, and plan to drop it every 50,000 miles to replace the replaceable PPE filter inside, and fluid with ZF's "Lifeguard Fluid 8."
Remember, lifetime fill will never be a false statement, because when the tranny dies, the lifetime has been attained. Boo.
I plan to keep mine as long as possible, so frequent transmission fluid changes are a no-brainer for me.
Awesome! thanks for the info. I'm hoping to keep mine as long as possible as well. Hence, Why I want to try and maintain it well
Drain plug remove, drain and fill up? I'm learning towards the job. I love this amazing transmission.
I also got a PPE never did it yet Im farely mechanical how long does it take start to finish?
Please elaborate on PPE. Thanks!
Congrats on the power wagon
I have an 845 re in my 1500 Tradesman. At 98,000 miles I swapped out the pan/filter and re filled via the specific procedure with Chrysler 8+9 speed fluid. Cost me about 250.00 doing it myself laying on the ground. That was a little over 10k miles ago. I sent the fluid to my oil sample company. It did show wear but wasn't completely gone. I have frequently towed more than I should have. Almost double my tow rating (not recommended). Still going. Did my diff fluid at 80k miles. V6 3.21 axle ratio 2wd
very cool info! so your transmission fluid could of in theory still ran for a while longer? How are you liking the v6? I know people really seem to like them.
@@TheGettyAdventures I got one about 16 months ago and have put over 40,000 miles on it over that time. Gets better gas mileage than any of the midsize V6 engines and has enough pep to pass vehicles on the road when needed. I just hope I can get over 200,000 miles out of it like I did with my 5.7 Hemi.
Definitely change your transmission fluid. It is mentioned in the maintenance manual schedule as far as I know. When they tell you it will last the lifetime of the vehicle, they are going by the standard time frame that people keep vehicles, which is 5 years. Of course this all depends on how long you plan on keeping the vehicle and how you use it. If you do a lot miles on the vehicle, then you need to change the transmission fluid every 80,000kms according to my manual.
If you constantly towing or off roading, then I would reduce that number to 60,000 kms.
people keep vehicles at least 10 years now
Damn they shouldn't say this cause maybe if I changed my trans fluid at the appropriate mileage my 2006 Chevy impala might still be running I love the car and I long drive from home to work it Pissed me off cause I Thought finally American cars were built right
I changed my transmission fluid on my 2017 ram 1500 Right after I hit 100,000 miles. The fluid wasn’t super dirty but definitely was not in the same condition as the new fluid. One of the dealer mechanics agree with me far as changing the fluid out every 100,000 miles Unless I’m doing a lot of towing if so change it every 70,000 miles.
Thanks Jeff, Appreciate the info!
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What did it cost to do it? I asked for a quote and was told $600.
How muxh did it cost you? Also did you go through the dealership or a local shop?
I'm at 67k on my 2017 ram1500 I do tow hay and a four wheeler trailer often. I was told it's a life time no Maintenance transmission lol I'm glad I found this video and your comments ill be changing it very soon.
Dealer here says the same thing, we don’t service the transmission, after some prodding, the service manager said, bring it in at 100,000 miles and we’ll service the transmission, fluid and filter change, the pan is plastic, you could DIY or purchase a new one or clean and reseal original pan, very specific fill instructions, plug on side of pan is where you fill, don’t overfill, at specified temperature you have to double check the correct level, till you get it right, that’s probably why the dealers aren’t very enthusiastic about this service, it’s time consuming!
100k miles I changed fluid and filter/pan. The fluid is good until the end of life of the transmission. Whether that is 100k or 200k. You'll get more life out when you change transmission fluid/filer. Don't silly, change your fluid!
Local transmission shop says the same thing unless it developed a leak no need to change it. Being a heavy construction equipment technician today's oil has so many additives oil break down rare my ram has 105,000. I'm going to believe for now I agree with the dealership. But we shall see with time. I'll keep in touch if you want
Had my ZF transmission fluid changed at Valvoline quick change 9 qts. no filter. $180 plus tax. 2015 Grand Cherokee 114785 miles at time of change have put on 500 miles since, still runs good. Hope this helps
Thanks dude. About to get my transmission fluid changed in my dodge challenger with almost the exact same miles on it. Definitely put my mind at ease
You're supposed to change the pan and fluid when you service these transmissions, because the filter is built into the pan, and only green ZF fluid is recommended because it lasts much longer than red dexron fluids! 👍🏽
Wish me luck. My 2014 is an old farm truck. 220k and it’s going still strong. Only thing the truck has had besides very consistent oil changes has been a water pump replacement.
Have you changed the transmission in it? I’ve had my 2016 since it had 105k and now it’s at 231k and was wondering if I should change the fluid. I don’t think it’s ever been changed
@@jesusgarcia1589 man I’m afraid of jinxing my luck here. I still have the truck and it’s running a tad over 230k. Still the factory 8 speed with factory fluid. She’s still a peppin along. I’m not familiar with this transmission. But I’m afraid that it would make issues now changing the fluid. I could be wrong here but I wonder if changing the fluid would do what older neglected transmissions would do when introducing a new fluid that would wash out the remaining good clearances.
I’ve heard the same. I heard from Reignited Cycle and Automotive UA-cam channel who was a mechanic for Dodge/Ram mention that most issues with ZF come after doing a transmission fluid change lol I guess if it ain’t broke don’t fix it lol
It's just strange, I understand that sometimes changing transmission fluid can actually make automatic clutches slip more then with the dirty grippier trans fluid but at some point you would think that clean fluid is better then broken down old fluid. It's an interesting topic
@@TheGettyAdventures it is strange. Maybe Ram doesn’t expect the vehicle to last as long as the life of the transmission fluid lol
@@josephcuellar2592 Haha honestly wouldn't put it past them. As long as it makes it out of warranty they are no longer on the hook.
@SendNods the ZF transmissions have a long history and it’s pretty solid
@SendNods The ZF transmission are know to be very well built units but ya I wouldn't put it past Chrysler trying to shortened their lifespan to try and sell more trucks. they are built well enough that most will make it out of extended warranty without issues. but without service over the years you would think it would probably shorten the lifespan.
14 Ram 1500 here just got it in December. With 160,000. For $20,000. Yesterday I noticed a possible sloshing sound while the transmission was downshifting. I have a feeling it's never been changed. After seeing some of you guys comments I'm going to take my truck to get the oil and filter changed.
Well $7000. Later it was the cams and lifters. A few weeks later started hearing rattling sounds.
@@Miguel_A_S Always have a qualified tech check out any used truck before you buy. Don't trust the dealer/person selling it.
Find another dealer, who will. If you can't find one, look for a reputable transmission shop, that specializes in transmission services. (someone like AMMCO) I don't care what anyone says, there is always clutch pack wear when a transmission shifts, especially while under heavy load. 8-speed transmissions do a lot of shifting as well. The transmission will need new fluid, and perhaps, a new pickup filter. When new, the clutch packs will shed more material, as they're 'breaking in' . After that first change, they don't need to be serviced as often.
Very true! Ram's transfer case uses clutch packs as well and they recommend like every 60k or something. I've heard these ZF transmission are very well built and can last a long time. I could probably service the thing myself but I also wouldn't mind paying a little extra for someone who specializes just to do it for me.
This is probably the best transmission dodge has ever used and go figure it's not made by dodge. In the 90s when I worked for Dodge they had tons of transmission issues they really made up for that with these ones. I wouldn't worry if you don't do a lot of towing and quit frankly dropping the pan isn't gonna do a lot you need to flush out the old fluid while it's running and if the filter is clogged your transmission is already going bad. It used to be common practice to drop the pan and change the filter but 99% of the time a good transmission won't need a filter it'll look brand new so unless there's a leak there's no reason to drop the pan. But you can drain it if you have a drain then drive around drain it again and again until it actually makes a difference. Same thing with my 22 hemi Durango nothing in the manual about transmission fluid changing but if it never gets overheated it should continue doing what it's supposed to do.
Actually it is made by Chrysler. They have exclusive rights from ZF to build these 8spds for themselves. They can't sell them to anyone else. They are a great transmission!
@@oldironguy The ZF transmission used in the Ram is based on the same transmission (ZF 8HP) used across many brands. Sure the ZF 8HP RE TorqueFlight version is specific to Ram because they customized it to their applications. But the transmission it's based on is seen in BMW, Land Rover, Audi, Rolls Royce, and Jaguar.
You are right though, that even though it's a ZF based design, Stellantis manufactures them.
@cyearns 100%correct. It is the same basic design that is used by many European manufacturers. As I stated, Chrysler builds them for their own use and cannot sell them to other brands. The one thing that is different is that Chrysler is the Only manufacturer allowed by ZF to build their transmissions apart from ZF themselves. Chrysler is also allowed to develop their own specific mapping and tuning for the ones that they produce.
I just changed mine after 120000 miles. It feels smoother between gears now as far as I can tell.
I did it at 86k and also seems to be smoother and less noticeable shifts
Just discovered this today lol. I'm 180k kms in and asked my dealer when the last time the trans oil was changed... umm never? They never do it? And they want over $2k to do a fluid change? I priced the OEM fluid and replacement cover/filter and it's at least $1500 CAD for just those! Holy crap. I'm going to buy the fluid a new pan myself and get a local mechanic to do it (I don't have a lift or I would). The steps are complicated but there are good tutorials on YT, check out the Blau one it's very clear.
I also have the header bolt breaking problem. The dealer wants $2k CAD to essentially lift the truck up, take the wheel liners off, take the headers off, take the bolts off and fix the holes, cleanup the surfaces, MILL THE HEADERS, and reinstall. I'm buying shorty tuned headers and just going to replace the suckers... will be less price and better outcome.
I had the same problem with my Subaru dealer telling me that the CVT fluid is good for life " WE don't change fluid here " he said. I called another dealer and it was obvious that their customer base was bringing their cars in for CVT fluid changes. I took my car there and for a reasonable fee had my fluid changed. Getty adventures might try another dealer for his Ram 1500.
My Ram started shifting harshly at 100k miles. The dealer and some other mechanics told me that it is not even possible to change the oil on these without taking the transmission apart. Not even a dipstick on them. The manager as Valvoline oil change said he has this transmission on his personal vehicle and changes his trans oil no problem. He was able to do it for me using the transmission flush equipment they have available. It is shifting is much softer now and not jerking when I take off from a stop. Apparently, you can't take the "experts" word for it on these transmissions anymore than you can take their word for it on the recommended 10K mile oil change intervals... which is also apparently not true.
Even with the obvious overstatements of their capabilities the ZF is an incredible transmission. Sound German Automotive actually has unlocked the ZF transmissions and is selling a transmission controller for like $1100US. With paddle shifters its like $1600
I have heard great things about the ZF, I just don't want to ruin it by not changing the fluid lol I'd like to have it working well for a long time!
@@TheGettyAdventures Definitely change your fluid. In the BMW world, BMW claims lifetime fill (like many manufacturers do now) but ZF actually says to change the fluid at 60k for that application. BMW ignores that advice. Those who keep their fluid fresh almost never have trans issues whereas those who leave the factory fill often have issues by 150-170k. Change it :)
Is it a drain and fill process? I heard that the actual transmission pan contains a filter and the entire assembly gets replaced along with the fluid. It all has to be done at a certain temperature. Is this correct? How much and what spec fluid does it take?
@@michaelprosser3466UA-cam it but yes you are on the right track
Will it fit a 4th gen Supercharged 5.7L 1500 Ram?
My dealer told me it needs service at 100,000 miles and it will cost me 750.00 for them to do it. Why make something so hard to check and take care of other then to make the customer go to the dealer and spend a super dumb amount of money for something that should be so much easier with the technology we have today! Cause the working class is just made of money! Are country is turning into a competition of what entity can screw the people the most!
Nobody is making you use the dealer for this service....any competent transmission shop can handle this. They make it "hard to check" because they want to limit the possibility of dirt getting into the transmission.
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Yeah but to his point a dealer has the EXPERTS not some joe blow transmission shop with Willy who's dad taught him from a young age how to "work" on a variety of transmissions. I hear horror stories from local mom and pop transmission shops. So the dealer should be the cheapest most reliable and most inexpensive place to take a car you buy FROM THEM! Customer service in America is absolute SHYT! PERIOD! These companies don't give a shyt because there is no competition anymore in free markets. Nobody has any purchasing power anymore. It's all debt and credit markets. You will own nothing and be happy. Built in obsolescence in ICE cars is so we all are forced to make the switch to EV. Have fun!
Toyota has "lifetime" interval on number of them too. Toyota also does not recommend flushing transmissions.
I know of a few around 500k.
The reality is most will be scrapped before the trans fails.
Flushing is usually not good, drain and fill is different and recommended around 60k on Toyota Tacoma transmissions.
or rusty
I saw CANADA & Ontario on ur plate so I just hit the "Like" my 2014 has 310k and haven't had to do a thing yet (knock on wood lol) Gr8 vid Alex just wish ya had a bit more info with what to do or plans with what should be done @ 160-300+ k Kms. Cheers
I have a Ram 1500 with the ZF 8 speed with 158,000 miles on it. I have not serviced the trans at all and have yet to have any issues. My wife has a Cherokee with the ZF 9 speed with 188,000 miles on it without any service and has had zero issues as well. That said, I wish I could do a trans flush on them. I would have done in at 75,000 mile intervals if that were possible.
Don't do a flush, it will wash out anything that keep it tight, i understand it is sealed, however mechanic common sense says there is wear, and there has to be particles in the nooks and crannies'
The article says the 8 speed I'd made only in Michigan under the ZF license but actually the 5.7 6.4 trans are made in south carolina
These new 8-speed transmissions are built by the German company ZF, and use green ZF fluid, not the cheap dexron red fluid!
ZF doesn't include a dipstick because they don't want people adding dexron or additives, which would contaminate their fluid.
ZF recommends changing the pan/fluid at 150 000 kms and you must purchase the proper kit for this job.
ZF fluid is expensive because it's a 'lifetime' fluid, and not garbage dexron fluid which needs to be changed more freque frequently!
Yes but where does one find a shop who can do it to quality standards?
@@SyrupCanuck My recommendation is to purchase the proper pan and 6 bottles of either Mopar 8/9 speed fluid or ZF Lifeguard 8 fluid and take it to a trusted shop and watch them change the pan and fluid correctly! 💯
@@DaveNanan Ya. Will be a chore to find this shop
I have a 2016 ram 1500 sport with the ZF 8 speed. I changed mine at 95k with the Mopar fluid. You can also use the ZF life Gaurd 8. I’m also A BMW tech, BMWs use the ZF8-Hp also. All of the manufacture say lifetime and that’s usually 100K for fluids.
If you have over 60-70k miles, dont even bother changing the fluid. It’s to late. The chances of damaging become greater. And the zfs are extremely temperamental when putting new fluid in. And never ever drain and replace with the amount that came out
I have 300.000 miles on a 2001 Ford ranger and fluid has never been changed and still shifting strong. It's all how you treat the truck.
fair enough! that's pretty impressive, I mean other then towing the truck is driven well so hopefully I can have the same fate as you!
My buddy gots a 6.0 Super Duty with 550k miles and the original transmission is bulletproof, only thing he does is change the fluid when it’s that time to do it. I got a 2005 4runner with 221k miles and the largest toyota dealer in the U.S. told me I got a sealed transmission & I never have to change the fluid. I always disagreed with that theory but in reality my transmission is running just fine so I can’t complain.
@@joeshmoe8952 fair enough I mean only time will tell if these 8 speed trans are any good.
@@TheGettyAdventures I’m actually considering a new Ram 1500 big horn V6 and I believe it has the same 8 speed as the hemi. Either way I would service it right when the warranty ends which is around 60k miles I believe.
@@joeshmoe8952 that's what I was contemplating also. but then I ended up getting a new truck so we'll cross that bridge in a few years!
I have a 2014 Nissan Maxima and it is also a lifetime transmission, and what they mean by that is it's under warranty until the transmission dies then your s.o.l. but I still removed my transmission pan and changed it anyway
Not speaking to the ZF, but transmission in general. In 20 years I have never changed the transmission fluid in any truck and have driven them between 140,000 to 238,000 miles this way. With some people that I respect vehicle wise saying the only time transmission problems show up is when the transmission fluid is changed. Not based on science just the Brow word, so huge grain of salt needed, and my experience.
I've also heard that a lot. It's a tough call what to do!
spot on these online guys just tell you to change everything drop fill like its just simple oil change . I went over 350k orig fluid plan on keeping it that way
It is crazy.
I have a 2020 and today I was told I need to replace my transmission. Problems started at around 120k km.
I have the same questions you have. Called around and got different answer. One shop told me 160,000 miles but he also thought that seemed like too many miles.The Chrysler/Jeep/Dodge dealer told me 60,000 miles. Still waiting for a transmission shop to get back to me with their answer. I looked at my owners manual and didn't see anything on the 8 speed trans., only about the six speed transmission. Life time does not make sense to me either.
I have a 1500 ecodiesel 4x4 tradesman quad, towed for most of its 161073 miles and running great , ac needs a service is all
Well, I tried to get the transmission fluid changed in my Ram 1500 at 70,000 miles. I had trouble finding anyone who could figure out how to do it. At one point was told it would take specialized equipment and cost about $600! At about 78,000 miles the transmission bit the dust. At the 62,000 mile mark I had spent $2000 on dealing with the Penstar tick (camshaft bearings). I decided to trade the truck rather than having a second major repair at less than 80,000 miles.
Really? That's it? Sounds like a defective transmission. There's people who never change their fluid and it last longer than that. Damn lol
Oh boy that makes me nervous. I have a 2019 with 65k miles and havent changed transmission fluid yet
You did just like the majority of truck owners. Many say they drive them farther, but thats not the majority.
@@louismccomack9524 It cost money to own any vehicle. You pay to buy it, then you pay to upkeep it. Nothing new here.
@@scottwilkins do I need to change my oil?
I just had my ram transmission serviced with a new filter and fluid at 99K. Now have 111K and the transmissions are starting to slip and surge. I just traded it back to the Ram dealer for a new 2023 Ram, a very expensive truck. My dealer said not to change the fluid and I said, BS, but now I know why they said that. Doesn't seem right.
If you had those issues after a transmission service they might have used the wrong fluid or got some contamination in the fluid during the process. The only reason they said not to change it is because Ram says it doesn't need to be, not because it can cause issues.
For what it's worth! I was told the same. Had a good friend who had some insight. He told me if I use it, tow with it, to change it every 80 thousand. Pan and filter is one piece. Not cheap, I paid 300 for the pan filter. Hope this helps!
awesome! Thank you for the insight, It's looking like most folks do service the this transmission despite the dealer telling them not too lol
Change it every 35k not 80k way too long there’s no such thing as oil of any type that resists heat and breakdown over 50k miles, it just doesn’t exist. They will last until after warranty and break.
@@cornelius6304 no substitute for clean fluids. I completely agree.👍
300 for a freaking filter? What's it do? Clean pollution?
@@marioandultrachap Amazon has them for about $40.
Just changed mine at 76,000,fluid still looked pretty decent,filter was obviously dirty,bougt 6 qts and the pan/filter for 300$ from blauparts
Been told the same thing from the five local dealership in my area. They just don’t service them. They tell me to keep an eye on the temperature and it there’s any leakage around the seal. My 2013 Ram 1500 has over 174000 miles on it, and the fluid has not been changed. Still shifts as if it’s new. I don’t tow that much with it so that might have something to do with it.
that's awesome sir! I believe 2013 was the first year they introduced the 8 speed and well it's last a good 9 years so I'd say that's not a bad thing.
They make a filter pan kit 👍 Amsoil all the way! .. Changing all my fluids early just to get their products into my vehicle ASAP .. This is my 1st and last new Truck , I hope to keep it around a bit
amsoil makes trans fluid for this transmission?? if so I'll be running it. heard nothing but good things about amsoil
@@TheGettyAdventures Yes Sir 2 different kinds, just go to their website and punch in your vehicle.. @Amsoil when's payday? lol I don't work for them but I've always trusted their products ,started way back with my Yamaha 700 raptor when they came out in 06 👍 .. I'm one of those picky jerks, I will only use premium with no ethanol as well
I spoke to my RAM dealer also, told me they won’t service transmission. I’m changing pan/filter assembly and fluid at 100,000 miles per fluid specs.
Replace the pan-filter combo and refill the fluid until it overflows the drain plug following the manufacturer ZF instructions
ZF Freirichshafen AG, the manufacturer of the RAM 8 speed transmission recommends that the transmission oil and filter be changed every 60,000 miles. And that’s what I’m going with.
I trade every 3 years on my birthday 🎂 so it doesn't matter to me , I started buying Ram in 1998 and I'm 63 now , a couple times I waited 4 years to trade because of the market , I live full time RV life off grid and always pulled a Camper and cars on my trailer and I've never had a Ram transmission problem . I've had real good luck with Ram , I'm not downing other brands ,I'm just a Ram man .because I love the look at first then got hooked of the performance .
I live in Calgary Alberta they said the same about my AWD challenger... 😆. Im taking it to a transmission shop to get a fluid change. Going with Amsoil
Had a ZF in my 2006 LR3 that also claimed to not need servicing, that was a lie, ZF stated it needed to be changed every 100K miles.
I wrote them an email for part 8HP 70 1st which are 1500’s 2015-. This is what they said “5. Maintenance recommendations ZF automatic transmissions
3/4-speed automatic transmissions:
ZF 3 and 4-speed automatic transmissions must be filled with approved ATF oils according to ZF list of lubricants TE-ML 11, lubricant class 11A / 11B or with mineral ATF oils according to the former Specification Dexron II / Dexron III by General Motors. For oil-change intervals consult the vehicle manufacturer's specifications.
5-, 6-, 8- and 9-speed as well as 4HP20 automatic transmissions:
ZF 5-, 6-, 8- and 9-speed as well as the ZF 4HP20 automatic transmissions are filled maintenance-free with specially developed semi-synthetic ATF oils. However, due to the many factors influencing the service life of transmissions in individual operation, ZF recommends an oil change after 150,000 km for its transmissions. In operating conditions with high temperatures and loads, or with unknown vehicle use in the past, it can make sense to change the transmission oil at shorter intervals.
In each case, only released ATF oil may be used for oil changes. And oil changes must be performed in accordance with the relevant specifications. The exception is the ZF 5HP18 automatic transmission which must be filled differently depending on the version.”
I have a 2017 ram 1500 with 75,000 miles and I also was curious with changing the transmission oil, so I went to the dealer and they said no 😂 I was trippin for a min didn’t listen to them
I just recently took my truck to a local shop and I had them change the oil pan to a bigger one with royal purple transmission oil.
Per ZF, manufacturer of that transmission. They say 150km to change fluid. Sooner if in high temperature, high loads, or unknown vehicle use. I am changing pan, filter, and fluid this weekend on my daughter's Alfa Romeo Giulia. It has the ZF 8HP50 transmission. My local Alfa dealership said the same as yours and for the same reason. I trust the company who actually makes the product. Manufacturers say lifetime as to make it seem to lower "maintenance cost" to the consumers. Please change it and it isn't difficult at all.
Great point, I had 2006 toyota sequoia limited 200k miles 320k km with sealed transmission no issues at all ,i did little bit of research back than regarding sealed transmission oil change interval and find out that it could potentially damage some transmission components with new oil which would offer better lubrication cleanliness and less friction is where problems arise,
friction in transmission oil is very delicate subject ,bottom line is if its shifting well live it alone ,.
Ya that's kind of my fear. Because I have heard of issues arising from new fluid. I'm kinda leaning towards changing the fluid anyways. there seems to be a small noticeable noise when downshifting to 1st gear. So we'll see I hoping to call some local transmission shops and see what they have heard in regards to this transmission
@@TheGettyAdventures Totally agree definitely try changing oil and filter first make sure its original oil not aftermarket, made in EU is going to better quality since ZF is made in Austria ,
in case no visible results add some Liqui Moly mos2 or Ceratec it will provide less fiction highly beneficial in same instances,
let me know how did go,best of luck.
@@MultiPartizan1 Thank you sir!
Thank you for wonderful videos and your dedication ,
I personally own 2019 ram 1500 new body style added 6120 BILSTEIN front and rear SHOCKS coilovers big game changer , ICON dual rate springs on the back ,forged aluminum upper control arms huge improvement in ride quality and custom SS exhaust all sitting on 35×12.5R20 BFGOODRICH KO2
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If you ever find out all little FCA secrets about Borger Warner all wheel drive transfer case mining what does engages clutches besides outside temperature,
Wiper blades on ,manual gear shifter on ,slippage, how does steering input works in conjunction with clutches when turning reducing 4WD operation or its disconnecting I will be very curious to know,thanks again for all your quality time.
Very false statement no oil exists yet by any manufacturer to date that can resist heat and friction break down of oil over 50k miles. Transmission fluid is supposed to be changed every 35k, the problem is manufacturers have tooken advantage of consumers with no mechanical understanding. They tell things like “lifetime” or 100k oil life. And in reality your after 35k miles your fluid starts breaking down becoming acidic and losing its lubrication properties, then your clutch packs start wearing down to the point where the old fluid is full of burnt clutch material. When you get to this point the only thing that keeps the tranny shifting is the clutch material in the fluid so it can grab. If you change your fluid regularly your clutch packs don’t degrade. So essentially listen to this guy with zero mechanical understanding obviously and slowly but surely destroy your transmission. Or just have some common sense and change the fluid every 35k. The longer you wait past the 30k mark the more you damage the transmission.
I had mine service to Amoco at this transmission and filter service I had it done early at 80,000 miles
I tried to get mine serviced at around 50,000 miles and the dealership wanted me to sign a waiver saying they aren’t responsible if anything happens to it and that I should come back at 80k-100k when it is considered acceptable wear so I don’t have to sign that waiver
The fact is that Chrysler is in business to sell vehicles. Having transmissions that last for ever is counter productive in selling vehicles. A regularly serviced ZF transmission could very well last "for ever". Going by an extra long or non existent service interval, the ZF transmission is designed to out last the longest MOPAR warranty that you can buy. After that, you're on your own when there is a failure. The theory is keep the customer happy long enough to become loyal, but not so long as to never have to buy another vehicle. That said, ZF has service kits available on their website, and if I recall correctly, they recommend service every 100,000 km (62,000 miles).
I agree with you 100%, As long as the transmission lasts past warranty and keeps customers happy that's all that matters. But my guess is Chrysler doesn't want folks driving the same truck for 10-20 years they want them driving a truck for 8-9 years then buying another. So it seems like everyone is pointing to the ZF website recommendations and they probably know best!
Production began in 2013. Although the 850RE Torqueflite is built-and-designed in the United States, the design is licensed from the German built-and-designed ZF 8HP transmission.
Its worth the fluid change!
Do it every 35k
I have a ‘15 1500 5.7 with the 8 speed. Bought it in 2019 with 64,000 miles. I did a flush at 125,000. Everything was fine. But it’s just not worth the risk. Down time and cost man… Totally worth a little pm time and small amount of cash.
I’ve changed my transmission fluid at 50000 miles very easily done at the craft shop on Pope army airfield .
I am replacing the ZF 8 speed transmission in my '14 Ram now for the SECOND time. It has 302K miles. The first one went bad at 190K miles. The second one was used with 75K on it, so if you add it up both transmissions have lasted about 190K miles. I guess that's a "lifetime" according to the manufacturer. My advice is to follow ZF's instructions and replace the pan with the built in filter and the fluid at their recommended intervals.
Sounds like your transmissions lasted the amount of time they were built for. Can't have these trucks last too long. Then nobody would buy new ones.
The first transmission would still be going if you had regular fluid filter changes
@@cornelius6304 even still though I'm a little surprised they're only lasting 70kish miles. Theres people who never change their fluid last a lot long than that. Even my car it doesn't call for a fluid change til 60k. Either there's really sensitive af parts in thing or it's a not all what I thought it was as a transmission
If you never changed the fluid, or over worked it I could see this. There are truck owners tow way over what their trucks are rated for. That will kill a transmission very quickly in any truck. You can say what you want, but there is now way you can prove it.
My 2015 8 speed has 200,000 miles on it with no problems with it. The Ram dealer said no service required.
Currently my truck is at the Ram dealer for a differential overhaul.
I’m considering a transmission overhaul at a transmission shop I trust since I’m planning a trip from Kansas City to Key West in October I really don’t want to at the mercy of a dealer somewhere.
Any comments?
I have a 2014 ram 5.7 hemi with 250k miles on original engine & transmission I wanted to add transmission oil until I noticed no dip stick
I wonder if all the manufacturers that use this trans all use the same fluid just with their own branding, or if the fluid is slightly different between brands. I the ZF 8 speed in my 2022 BMW 330i, and I plan on changing the fluid and filter somewhere the neighborhood of 50-75k miles.
I just got to this part of the video, and you answered your question that you did ask of viewers by expressing that the manufacturer of the transmission states transmission, oil, change, or oil flush interval. That is what you go by if you're able to find that information, but if not, we'd have to go by our owners manual, which again is the minimum standard at which to maintain the engine & transmission in order to maintain warranty and get it to the point where it's outside of warranty when it fails. The marketing strategies in which the vehicle dealerships and sales representatives come up with is pretty shady at best. You can never heard anything on a vehicle by changing it more often rather than not at all..
My dealer told me that they do not service either. If you have an issue like mine at 120000 miles it has developed a shutter after it shifts then they suggested to me to replace it all at a cost of 8000. Transmission and labor. 11/1/22
At 8000 I will continue to drive it until it quits as there is no slippage at all. I have had a transmission fluid rejuvenation at prolube which did not fix the shutter.
any update on what happened with your transmission?
Just bought a 2021 ram, w/ 21000 miles. Was wondering too. I am selling my 04 titan, with 225000 miles. Owning a garage at one time, I believe they have to be changed..... when? .... I'd say 50 to 60,000 miles, no more than 100,000.
Audi told me the exact same thing for a 3.0T Supercharged V6. I called dealerships in my state and the next state and that’s the standard. Audi’s gone to a regular service interval since that C8 model. Keep digging. They probably plan on a new Transmission every 200km or so.
I am inquiring about changing my automatic transmission fluid on my 2014 ram 1500 at this time. Like you I've heard several things, and not sure what to do. What did you finally do?
As a Mopar master tech, and a owner of a ram I suggest doing it when ever you want too. It's not a hard job to do, they do say NOT to flush the 8 or the 9 speed trans, and they do say its filled for life, and if the wrong trans fluid is used it will damage the trans. Flushing and dropping the pan and replacing the filter and fluid is the best way to do modern trans IMHO. 60k miles is the norm for most auto trans.
Subaru is the same way. No maintenance necessary just means that it will make it past warranty. Then it's your problem. SO: upgrade to a newer pan with drain and swap out the pan/ filter if/when you can. ZF's right and if anything, assume that the MOPAR licensed version is not built to the same level of precision as the factory ZF ones, so spend a few extra dollars on a couple of 60% at a time (most you can drain per change) fluid swap. Cheaper than a new tranny.
I was told if my dealer did it would be $800. The pan is part of the filter and has to be replaced.
Told me the same when I took mine (2016) in to get serviced. Dodge says no I’m buying a Chevy next time. Last Dodge I had done every 60,000 never a problem. Have 60 ,000 right now and the just absolutely wouldn’t do it at Dodge
It's just wild to me that they won't service it at dodge. I know the service is a pain in the ass to do but if customers are asking you would think they would do it.
So.....you have no problems with your trans, but you're going to buy a Chevy next time because of it? You might want to do a Google search on trans issues with GM trucks.
@@jasonfalk7696 whoa.. 4L60 was the best
@@TheGettyAdventures GM is having a lot of issues with their 8 speed. I'm not sure I can go forever on the same trans fluid either in my Ram either.
@TheGettyAdventures
It's a process to do, and honestly having under paid techs do it would cost them more money in the long run that just not changing it and letting it fail outside of the power train warranty.
If you spend time learning how it's done properly. It's honestly not too difficult of a job. Just stressful and tedious for first timer. Take your time read the procedure multiple times. God speed
I was told my 2018 ram from my dealer was lifetime also. I feel the same way about this you do.
Good info 👍. Agree with you. Unreal doesn't make sense at all
ya it's a little fishy
What about just changing the oil that is sitting in the trans when it is cold. Not a complete change just to refresh the fluid? Drain what you can and replace.This procedure is simple.
I plan to change mine @ 30k miles throughout my 2021 warlocks lifespan. See if it makes a difference.
I can’t speak to why Chrysler won’t give a service interval, but I don’t buy lifetime fluid for a minute. I have a 2017 Ram 1500 with a 6” suspension lift and 35’s, 8hp70 and 3.92 gears. I tow a two horse trailer, utility trailer and a travel trailer. There is absolutely no way that I am going to allow fluid to stay in my transmission until it fails and find myself buying a new one just due to lack of maintenance.
The fluid that is manufactured by ZF, branded by Chrysler, and sold for almost $40 a quart is a group 3 Hydrocracked synthetic. It’s a decent fluid, not an incredible fluid. It is designed to last long enough to get through the initial warranty period under normal use.
At 50,000 miles, I did a complete flush to get all of that group 3 fluid out and replaced it with Amsoil low viscosity transmission fluid. (Blue bottle). This fluid not only meets, but greatly exceeds all of the specifications for the factory fluid, and is far superior in every way. It is a group 4 synthetic base stock and will outperform and outlast any group 3 under harsh conditions. It should be noted that the factory fluid that came out of that transmission at only 50,000 miles did not look new anymore. I know my truck works harder than most 1500s between my driving style, the large tires, added wind resistance of the lift, and the towing that I do. That said, if the fluid was already visibly starting to break down at 50,000 miles, I can’t imagine that it would’ve made it to 100,000.
My truck now has 100,000 miles on it and I am going to drop the pan, replace the filter, and refill that fluid with Amsoil again. If the fluid does not look brand new, I will do another flush after the pan drop. I also plan to send a sample of the oil removed for oil analysis, which will be very telling. I have had absolutely no issues with my transmission, and I do not expect that I will as long as I continue to maintain it.
It just amazes me how all Amsoil products are always superior to the competition in every way! Wow. What a company. Maybe I should become a rep too!
I’m not a rep, just a believer in great products. Amsoil, Levi’s, Hornady and Stihl are about the only manufacturers of any products that have impressed me to the point that I will use nothing else if I have the option. And any reputable brand of ethanol free gasoline…another no compromise product for my small or seasonal engines. Just my preferences, I know there are many other quality products on the market as well.
When does your warranty end? What people dont know is that the life of the transmission ends when your warranty ends. Remember that. Looks like you have a classic ram. Are you sure you dont have a 845re trans?
I do know as per my mechanic if you don't change it he has seen many run fine well over 300,000km but I feel that's roll of a dice.
I’ve heard the exact same thing at the purchasing Dodge Ram dealership, the service department said the 8speed Ram 1500 fluid change not required, i’m flabbergasted, never anything like it, maybe it’s incompetent service procedure by the mechanic, cheaper to simply replace one or two vs a bunch due to poor maintenance procedures, and then the warranty runs out, and the big monkey is off their backs, that’s the only thing that makes any sense!
Another great explanation for a question I had on my truck!
My 2013 ram 1500 has 185,000 never change the transmission oil.. was thinking about doing now, but mechanic talked me out of it…
Definitely don't go to the dealer. Because I went and They changed it but the idiot That changed my fluid did not follow manufacture recommendation. And my transmission was short for quart and a 1/2 of oil. Because he didn't go through all steps, Now transmission is shifting hard and jerking. But of course, it's not their fault..
Is it possible to swap this 8 speed into a 2011 ram 1500
Damm remember I bought Chevy 2006 impala the dealership told me the same thing they said the trans fluid lasted a lifetime but at a 100k the damn Trans gear gave out I was passed cause they told me the same thing
there is a video from ZF at a convention explaining in german that car manufactures are lying.. the fluid should be changed every 50,000 miles ..
What happens when you take it to the dealership and tell them to service the transmission and they tell you they don’t service an eight speed transmission I’m going on 78 and I’m not getting under a truck for no reason
ZF is the company that manufacters and designed this transmission its 50k to 60k miles. Listen to the designer. Lifeime means the life of the warranty. The serfice and fill procedure is actually prety simple. Having it on level ground is very important.
so what was the end result of this? our 2017 1500 has 100k(kilometers) and a third of that is towing 7000lbs at highway speeds. should i be concerned? did you change yours? maybe i'll get you to change ours when we're in fredericton in august!
Life time is nonsense.. dirty is dirty… You can service it. From what I have read it needs to be done at 60,000 miles. You can buy mopar pan and filter. A ammoco transmission shop can do it.
I serviced mine at 90,000 miles installed a ppe trans pan that holds I think 2 or 3 extra quarts of fluid and it's an alluminun pan with a replaceable filter and used AMSOIL signature series high efficiency fluid the transmission never worked better.
Yooo why do the new mopar fluid/filter pans for the 850RE no longer have a drain plug? It’s not like a huge deal. But kind of goofy.
I had issues with my 2014 right about when warranty ran out it kept going but shifted speratically which was very annoying
Anyhow was told the same thing don’t do it ever I tried to get it done and no one wanted anything to do with it
The prosess of changing it does look complicated but it’s getting quite technical if your over or under filled by a cup fill I’ve never seen it hurt anything else being over filled by a bit just my opinion
I do believe I will be changing my own in my new one
Drain the oil measure it put new back in how hard can it be really
You would think it would be that easy lol I was shocked when I looked up the actual full "procedure" to see how complicated they made it. I'm sure it's for good reason but still. I think I'm going to change it myself as well. seems silly to just accept that it's lifetime fluid.
@@TheGettyAdventures nothing in this world is lifetime everything dies eventually
Zf recommends they be replaced every 60,000miles. Are you going to trust ram who "uses" the 8hp70 or are you going to trust zf who makes them. I'll be doing it next summer around 70,000km. Ordered the ppe pan from Canadian diesel online and 2 jugs of valvoline maxlife atf.
Yaa that's what I've heard and my truck is just past 60,000 miles so that's why I'm curious what other are doing. thank you for the info!
The term lifetime used by the industry is what's known to be the lifetime of the owner for that vehicle that's their industries standard and that's how they get away with a marketing but you are right the owners manual does state 100,000 miles in which the transmission should be serviced and that doesn't include under severe conditions which would be probably at 50,000 miles in severe driving conditions like towing or uphill driving & CITY driving. It's a marketing employee that other manufactures have used and it's no different than the 20 000 mile once a year oil change, which is again bullshit, but it will get that engine through till warranty is up doing those mile changes that way, which is how the engineered because automotive manufacturers are in the business of selling vehicles not parts. Nothing has changed in the last 15 years and all the sudden we can go twice as long without oil change. The internal components of a hemi are almost identical to the first generation other than the addition of the MDS system, but in order to sell more vehicles, the numbers are altered in order to give customers more time because we don't want to be inconvenienced now nowadays, and time is money, and unless we have to do to maintain our vehicles the better. Nothing has changed. We still need to do the same maintenance we did 1015 years ago but the transmissions and the engines are all engineered by the lifetime spec being the lifetime of the owner and driver of that vehicle. It'll make it through out of warranty and then if something fails, it's probably cheaper to buy a new one and that's how it's done. Almost disposable cars nowadays unfortunately.
When I went to the Georgetown dealership, they said they would do 8speed trans service but it was like $1500 and said it was good for the life of the vehicle as well. I have a 6 speed that I bought with 227000kms, I’m looking at getting it done as well, but when I asked them about it they said if it’s not giving you problems don’t bother. I’m like you tho, like to take care of my equipment would rather get it done before we have a problem. Did you end up getting yours changed ?.
I changed the pan-filter and replaced the fluid at 50k miles and it was pretty filthy.
I was curious myself.....very interesting...i suppose it is a very well built transmission
they say it is a well built trans. and I mean to be honest it's been offered since 2015 I think and well 7 years later you don't hear anything bad about them yet so I would think its fair to assume they are decent units!