I think the comments about taking an infantry squad command blob instead of Catachan are spot on. It’s not just the mortar heavy weapons. It’s because infantry squads get cover for sitting on a circle, plus they can get a take cover order to stack protection from enemy indirect fire trying to break up the command blob. Better offense and defense by using 5 left over points is hard to beat.
frankly im suprisded 20 command blobs aren't more common. Every time I see a 10 man guard command blob, I drop 2 guard teams in on it and nearly always charge and 1 round removing orders for the rest of the game, I feel like 60 more points for 10 more wounds is better
@@janehrahan5116 because adding another 10 guys to just sit behind an wall on an objective isn't worth it, that's 60 points you could spend on something like a scout sentinel or scion squad. Currently they are just a tax to glue the lord solar ( who forgot his acheotech vox at home apparently) and a command squad together, and bring a mortar so that you can tag anything within 48" with fields of fire An extra 10 wound won't really matter that much if you opponent has anything that will be a serious threat, if anything you're just giving them 2 extra free blast shots
It depends if you have the 5pts to spend or not. 5pts for a mortar is nice. The plasma gun and plasma pistol sarge will come up occasionally if they send a unit round the back somehow.
Another good thing about it is if you go with double mortar (one in the infantry squad, one in the command squad) it makes the unit slightly less susceptible to blast weapons, since the unit will only have 14 models. It's something to keep in mind, since the biggest threat to Solar's CommandBlob after deep strikers is artillery.
replace the catachans in the command blob with infantry/cadian shock troops. might as well make use of those last 5 points. im going to try this list on tts and see how it goes! EDIT: So after playing this list, I think it can be improved by replacing the basilisks with earth shakers, and then giving the platoon commander the grand strategist enhancement. that way every unit gets an order.
Storm lord baneblade with the twin vulcans and the 40? I believe carrying cap and like 12 firing deck and stack it with lazcannon heavy teams. It's fucking gross. There's a guy at my local TTS with 4 bane blades and his 2000pt army with all 4 is stupid.
@@imadequate3376 we play on too congested terrain. I played in a doubles tourney and just fielded 2 SHs and I was just contained in our deployment zone, I couldn't go anywhere. It was a little frustrating. In 2000 pts I doubt I could score much(I was unable to move on to the center objective because I was too wide
Here's the take I threw together. Triple Dorn, obviously, Lord Solar command blob using Platoon Command Squad and a ten man Infantry Squad with two mortar tubes between them. For artillery I was actually thinking instead of Basilisks go with two Earthshaker Carriages supported by Creed, which means Lord Solar can concentrate on the tanks. For my infantry I went with a 15-man Scions team for deep strikes, and two Cadian "super-blobs" - a Castellan, a command squad, and 20 shock troops. I might be biased myself, but I feel like for playing the objective game, having that many OC 2 bodies with Cadia Stands in the mix is a really solid choice to stay standing on a circle. (That all the infantry I have right now are Cadians. 😅 )
I would love to see an Abhuman themed list. "Mordian's Rejects" I think you might be able to make it work by using a Stormlord to carry Ogryn up the battlefield.
I would take an infantry squad with a mortar for the command blob, and then I would give the command squad a mortar instead of plasma gun and medic. Double mortar is useful for Fields of Fire. You have the spare 5pts for it. Also, Gaunt's Ghosts could be worth looking at for secondaries, especially now they can order out of reserve.
Dorn's are awesome but their AP could be higher. I think I'd find room for Creed to get those free FoF going ensuring the Dorn's are putting wraiths and custodes onto their invuln saves.
Great list! The dorns are awesome to look at as a bonus As a guard player during 5/6E with a trench warfare style inspired army I'd love to see your take on a 10th edition version at some point, basically a list with full defensive capabilities until an all-in charge I included infantry blobs with command teams supported by HWT bolters and mortars + sentinels for and arti + valkyries for objective strikes
I got a dorn for my birthday and a Cadian Defense Force for christmas. Add a tank commander with grand strategist makes this list exactly 1,000 points!
Heres my take, point is to completely overwhelm the opponent with armour, rendering all anti infantry firepower useless. 1 Enginseer with a bunch of Russes was always useful, could swap out one for a couple of cyclops. Just keep rolling Chimeras onto the central objective, use the rest of your force to hold up home objective and one in NML. Lord Solar 2 x Enginseer Tank Commander with grand strategist (allows you to fight with it and the Dorns on two fronts) Command Squad with mortar, vox, medic (for popping Suppressing Fire on things) 3 x Catachans with Chimeras Keig Infantry Squad with vox (for command blob) Scions (or heavy flamer scout sentinel) for secondaries Basilisk (just to slow things down, not looking for major damage) 3 x ROGAL DORN Calidus Assassin (Dropping both Engineseers and scions/sentinel gives you enough for a cyclops and Catachans/Chimera or Basilisk depending how you like to score secondaries or want more indirect fire power)
Was stuck at home with covid last week and went down the rabbit hole watching a bunch of vids and actually decided to go with the triple dorn list lol. Mine inc: Lord Solar Tank commander 3 x engineseers for the Invuls on the Dorns 2x10 man kreig squads Leman russ exterminator 3 dorns 2 basilisks 2 scout sentinels Thinking of changing the tank commander for some Kreig Marshals and the Primaris Psyker
I kinda want the Rogal Dorn chassis to be used for more things, like different turrets. It would be nice to see it with an Anti-air turret with 4 autocannons or an anti heavy with a heavy lascannon. The conversion to tank-hunter we are seeing is amazing for example and GW could easilly make it official. Also The hull could be used to create a transport vehicle like an IFV (because it would be a more armored and better armed version of the Chimera, ehich is an APC) or mobile artillery.
Not a guard main guy myself but been playing against them a lot...and personally been running a double land raider ironstorm list so I'll give my go at this for fun. Only thing I want to talk about is Oppressor Cannon vs. Twin-Battle Cannon...I don't know but I think the Oppressor cannon isn't actually better. Having used Predator autocannons...that statline is fairly weak for what it might be firing at or just outright ill-fitted. By all maths, the Twin-Linked Battle Cannon offers far more consistency with wounding rates and even better wounding rates on average, even against harder targets. If I remember my maths right, unless you are wounding something on a 6 (firing at something with T20...) then any roll that includes FULL re-rolls is better than having a one stage better wounding rate. 5+ with re-rolls is better than 4+ wounding. 4+ wounding with re-rolls is better than 3+ wounding. It just adds consistency in my opinion. The lower AP is a factor but in my ol' go of it, I have things to help support the core 3 tanks. So what do I suggest for the list? Here's my HOT HOT take on it. Leontus Ursula Creed 2x Platoon Command, Master Vox, Medi-pack, Mortar. One officer has Drill commander (goes with Leontus), One has Grand Strategist (goes with Creed). Enchancements because i had 35 points left. 2x Infantry squads both with mortars. 3x Rogal Dorns with Twin-battle canons, Meltaguns, Multimeltas and pulviser cannon 6 Bullgryns with Brute Shields and Mauls 1 Hellhound with Multi-Melta and Hunter Killer 3x Scout Sentinels (each on their own, not in one squad) with lascannons and Hunter Killers (and chainsaws) 3x Kasrkrin squads with Meltaguns, Plasma guns, Sniper and melta mine. Main theory craft here is using Creed to double up on Field of Fire (FoF) usage or to enable its usage even if hit by a Vex (+1CP tax ability). This is why both her and Leontus squad have double mortars, to aid in consistency of getting that trigger and enabling the doubling of that effect. The Hellhound also helps by being able to turn off cover benefit for a target, so for things like tanks this could be very helpful even if you don't go full combo, having AP1 now matter again for the battle-cannons means even a 2+ save is suddenly dropping a lot more wounds. While every Rogal Dorn Ideally would have orders throughout the game, best to consider one of them a Flanking role tank that may do without an order from Leontus turn 1 who I would ideally have ordering 2 of the dorns + the Bullgryns (give the Bullgryns Move Move Move). The one dorn flanking should be positioned where the opponent has put weaker units that may not be able to contest a dorn, with Leontus re-deploy this should be easily done. Scout Sentinels offer another layer of consistency and nuisance units. There are 3 lone sentinels running around and should be able to at least tag a priority target for re-roll 1s for the dorns each turn. Ultimately though, if they die they die...means the Dorns weren't taking fire and are now moving up. Now for the Kasrkrin. These guys are to get orders from Creed mostly to double up on Move Move Move to get objectives early, being the most annoying thing since sliced bread and ultimately be another element the enemy can't ignore once objectives start being a thing. This list could quite easily just set-up shop with Deploy Teleport Homer and Cleanse, Park the Bullgryns turn 1 on the centre for Deploy and the Kasrkrin just get to work triggering Cleanse over and over again, or maybe have a random sentinel just do it. Once the Kasrkrin get to position, just slapping them with orders for better saves and better OC means they are now harder to take objectives from AND they have a 3+ save with benefit of cover (highly likely anyway). If anyone gets close, they will take D3 mortals off them, of 2D3 if a vehicle is getting cute. Will admit though, this is me going incredibly against the guard grain by omitting entirely any real form of Indirect fire bar the mortars. However push comes to shove, Dorns and Kasrkrin can always help trigger FoF anyway if maybe you lose the mortars or maybe need those units to handle homefield trouble. Main issues: its a lot of large and bulky boys who may have a problem fitting both of their asscheeks through tables full of ruins that tournament run (and I play on those layouts...my land raiders STRUGGLE) so any movement blocking plays will likely set you back a full turn minimum. It also requires knowing how to order your movement as to not block yourself in. Again, my focus isn't to have all 3 dorns in the centre, I want 2 Dorns and the Bullgryn being the centre field attractions. The 3rd dorn is a flanking dorn that is operating to be something that should help where needed as needed. The Hellhound is likely the biggest challenge to move. with now easily 3 lanes clogged with metal, this puppy will just have to make do with what it can get. This isn't a list about hiding EVERYTHING. In fact, I might even suggest that instead of trying to hide completely, just hide from select enemy units (use loentus re-deploy to help) and reveal against other things. You do have Ablative Plating so use it, let that help you soak some firepower and if they do kill a Dorn, that's fine,; you got 2 more. Not a list that I think works out the gate and is easy to use but I think this one compliments the Dorns better.
I like this. This is well done. 👍 I'm not a huge fan of RDs myself, so I'd just replace them with 2 Malcadors and 1 Malcador Annihilator or just 3 Malcs 😂 Unfortunately, RD has more gun variety 😕
A few months ago you made a video about regimental enginseers in combat guard squads, i think that might be really fun to see with those dorns. They also have nice synergy with the cyclops potentially.
I like this army. It's funny that it's quite similar to my army in a few ways. I am a huge fan of the exterminator russ, scout sentinels, and rough riders. These did massive work in a tournament, but I see how the dorn is carrying the list here. If I was building the list I think I would find space for Ursula Creed, leaving her solo near the Solar Command Squad and making sure there was a mortar of some kind of that command squad. Handing out Fields of Fire across the board for free every turn has the tendency of turning infantry lasguns into absolute monsters. I do like the list though. I just painted my third dorn and my cyclopes so I can almost run it with the models I have...
Played vs World Eaters yesterday, my Rogal Dorn tank brought Angron to 3 wound after a full salvo 😮 I am not a pro player but that shocked me, I almost took down a fu**ing daemon primarch in one go with this beauty of a tank. Won that game, now I am getting another Dorn, I fell in love with it.
It's funny. I'm running a similar list tomorrow. Just two Dorns and a Demolisher Tank commander (don't own three Dorns). Also, instead of the two catachan blobs, I'm tanking a Kasarkin squad with a chimera (just to test it out) :)
Trip Dorn is fun at a tournament, I have been running it since december, easy to play on the clock and some armies just cant deal with it, since the data slate I have dropped indirect and play full aggro in the middle and it works surprsingly well. Solar blob (with DKoK), x2 bullgryn (6 strong), x3 Kasrkin in Chimeras, x2 clyclops, X3 Dorn and a Calidus. my personal experience is the chimera bullgryn wall is tough to push through and there is alot of mortal wounds on the front line with Kasrkin, and grenades on Bullgryn.
Its quite a standard list really. Decent amount of infantry, arty, tanks and a cheeky scion squad. Id like to see with 4 inf squads in chimeras, rough or death riders and more scions so everything is speedy, hammer and anvil style. Probably keep a basilisk or a flyer
I am always a fan of taking a scout sentinel or two, the only thing missing from this list seems to be access to re-rolls. I might cut one of the catachan blobs. 3’s re-rolling 1’s is a lot better than straight threes. Would also help the two basilisks not take the IDF penalty!
"I find your lack of Scout Sentinels... disturbing." nah but for real tho - Ofc there's validity in the list, its just the standard Mordian Glory 10th ed Index hybrid army with 3 Rogal Dorns instead of 1 Rogal and 3 Leman Russ. Its the same units taken over and over again but in different configurations. Really counted on Mordian of all people to explore the index and see what works, but every game is essentially the same units. Its head cannon that Mordian has a secret vendetta where he literally will not use Scout Sentinels, then when 11th comes out he say "Look I went all 10th without taking a single sentinel. Reject the meta." I dont understand why, but GW put an army wide buff mechanic on the chicken walkers. A squad of 3 will consistently apply daring recon every single turn, save 2 cp for reinforcements and they literally apply it every turn. Another two tools missing from the list is Creed and Guant's Ghosts. The 4 (5 honourable mention) 10th ed Guard Index Tools: 1. Lord Sol 2. Creed's FoF 3. 3x Chicken Walker 4. Guant's Ghosts (5) Exterminator Auto Russ. These are the units that actually make the faction function and punch well above our weight. For every one you're missing, the Guard list suffers ever more. Really hoping you try some new units sometime Mordian.
Alternate list Lord Solar Platoon Commander Ogryn Bodyguard 20x Catachan 3x5 Scions 3x Rogal Dorn 3x Leman Russ Exterminator 3x Scout Sentinels Scout sentinels + russes + solar end up giving the Dorns BS3+, reroll 1s to hit and an extra pip of AP. Stack fields of fire with scions and you have oppressor cannons with AP-4!!!!
Tweaks needed I think. I believe the Catachans should be trimmed down from 2x20 1x10 to 3x10, Creed and an Infantry Squad with Mortar. Straken is the onky Dude doing actual damage in the Catachans and I would not want to miss Creed and Fields of Fire. Maybe you can substitute one of those Squads for a Scout Sentinel as force multiplyer
I would say combine the remainder of points with 9 sentinals and the rest infantry. The composition of said remainder i would leave for you to pick but the principle is essentially the infantry to to foot slogging stuff, actions screening etc and the sentinals for screening a second line and fire support but qlso needing heavy weapons to realistically take down and diluting what will come the way of the dorns.
Current list is triple dorn, with 2 russ tank commanders (1 demolisher and 1 battle cannon) including grand strategist. Add in 2 basilisk, 3 scout sentinels round up with 2 10 man catachan squads and a 10 man infantry squad with platoon squad and 2 5 man scion squads for deep strike funsies 😁 the 3 dorns are always fun especially with ablative armour 😂
I've been thinking for a while now that the Russ is being soft replaced, especially now that it's been revealed that solar auxilia is getting a Russ and things in horus heresy tend to not get much support in 40k. Dorn generally does seem like a more effective way to get the durability and firepower you need in place of the Russ. Something I've been mulling over is whether or not the Dorn actually needs orders to be effective. With the oppressor cannon being d6+3 shots with blast, plus the fact that you have 3 of them, you might have enough volume to do reliable damage in spite of the 4 to hit, and if not then scout sentinels giving reroll one's might be enough to make a difference plus supporting the rest of the force as well.
I took the dorn without orders and felt it way underperformed compared to with an order. Maybe I was just off that day, but without orders it felt like it was more than a 16% difference. I will say it's not bad against smaller enemies so maybe you can have one order supporting two dorns and taking turns between them as to which gets the order.
I'm concerned that your Leo becomes a single point of failure. I'd prefer his bodyguard to be a bit tankier just in case. We're drifting towards a durability rules bypass meta thanks to C'tan, Girlyman, Deathwing etc, so Dorns are also going to get incidentally hated on. Other than the above concerns, seems sound.
Mordian could we see a battle where you take what is considered "meta" for guard currently with things like bullgryn chimeras and Kasrkin, not saying play it super serious but I do want to watch what is working well for us in tournaments to get some insight
Im intrigued, how do you “build a unit on paper?” Do you just think of possible tactics or do you calculate odds against various enemy armies? (If such a thing is even possible) it seems a bit daunting to me to think of entire armies on paper without any actual games
So hear me out on why no lord solar. For 245 you get 3 tank orders, something to sit on a home objective, 2 mortars that contribute, and 1 extra cp per round. This is wrapped up into a super fragile unit that if anyone has precision or the dorns get more than 24 away, you have a problem. For 425 you can get two tank Commanders with grand strat. That gives you 3 tank orders 2 lascannons, 2d6+6 from the battle cannon, 4 multimeltas, and 2 heavy stub, a ton of wounds, and if they get popped fight on death. You orders are always in range of the dorn, no need to worry about precision. The difference between all that out put is 180 points.lord solar is fine, but he sits in the back and primarily contributes 3 orders for 245 points. He is also the first target of my enemy as if they get to him, everything falls apart. Just feel like 2 tank Commanders and 3 russes for 1205 is not that bad. Add in 2 basilisks and you still have 525 in points for infantry, enginseers, and action monkies.
This list has the bonus point that your opponent may just forfeit after sitting through three shooting phases where 3 Rogal Dorns fire all of their weapons
I don't know your meta, but in mine 20 men infantry (even Kriegs) last nothing. I love the channel but sometimes i see very big differences in style of list building: yours seems to have absolutely no anti infantry fire and somewhat lacking melee. Mine are made of mixed anti tank and anti infantry in form of as much blast possible, all elite 40mm based heavy infantry that can mow down 20 krieg in one go and half while keeping them out of objective control range thanks to their huge bases. The anti horde shooting is actively used also against high resistance targets especially when combined with sustained hits or devastating wounds, and it works. So i really struggle to take the no man's land of objectives and keep them for more then 1 turn or 2.
Apart of little difference in points per fire output, i think Guard has other kind of problems to deal with. As for now 3 Dorns are the best option hands down
3 are already too much against certain armies according to me. I personally play 2rogals + tank commander as armored wedge. I didn't try 3 rogals because I only printed 2 :)
Well yeah if i´would plac combatativ i thik thats the way to go or with at least one Bane blade currently I paly (2000 points) Cadian Castellan (65 points) • Enhancement: Drill Commander Platoon Command Squad (75 points) • Enhancement: Grand Strategist - Medic - M.VoX - Autocanon Regimental Enginseer (45 points) Tank Commander (205 points) 1x Demolisher battle cannon 2x Multi-melta BATTLELINE 2X Catachan Jungle Fighters (55 points) Infantry Squad (120 points +Platoon + Castallan; sitting on Home objektiv) 2x Sniper rifle • 2x Autocannon
tbh with 3 dorns, might as well go shadowsword + baneblade imho, its only 930 vs 780. it costs 150 more but you get far more firepower, the durability is slightly lower vs heavy at or light at, but the most common at (s12) is even. Edit: the only downside to this is if tournaments keep doing the cringe "large models can't leave deployment zone" terain.
Terrain would be my primary concern. I've heard and seen a lot of stories from people using superheavy tanks where they were effectively neutralized by terrain, trapped in deployment and sometimes never even getting to fire a shot. Hell, I've even heard sometimes people can't even get their Dorns out of deployment, but that's much more rare.
I want to love the Dorn but every time I play with them I roll like dog water and it ends up doing almost nothing the entire game. Has happened EVERY time I've brought them in 10th
im not at home and i cant hear the video yet. BUT WHAT HAVE I´VE BEEN SAYING??? no one wanted to believe me in this comunity, but Rogal Dorn is the primaris leman russ. just look at the scale of the new sentinel. That was the red flag to me. Sorry for the negativity, I have 4 russes so when the guard codex drops, I will have to see what do I do as a collector, if I just play an older edition or invest in several rogal dorns
Russes are still great. Tank commanders, demolishers, and exterminators and are all solid. Don't invest if you don't want to. You'll have plenty of success with OG russes
@@TJDieter2191 they are fine, now... Think about how the dorn is slowly replacing it. Slowly. At first, when it came out, it was literally worse than the russ. Now it is slightly better. Watch out gor the next guard codex! I know that right now the Russ is very playable. I'm thinking long /mid term. It is the redemptor leman russ, although GW is doing less aggressively, since guard is not as popular as marines.
I think this is more to fill out the tank lineup and attract more players who want guard for the tanks, as well as giving something to be a bit heavier to counter the leman russ being a lower stat line (relative to other equivalent units) and a lower point value. It makes me think like a Sherman vs Sherman jumbo.
Two complaints I have with the Rogal Dorn tank: 1. Rogal Dorn is a cool primarch but his name sucks. "Rogal" is such an ugly word; they could've easily gone with the Lion Tank (or el'Johnson Tank lmao), Ferrus Tank, or just called it the Dorn Tank. 2. Which is the main battle cannon offset, and not centered? Unless that think is loaded with gyroscopes or the opposite side of the tank is counterbalanced (why lol), that design both looks stupid and makes no sense.
Lists of 3x or more big ticket item outside of 3k points games or games where they fight another 3x or more big ticket items suck to play against and ruin the game for me
If this becomes common I'll have to swap my Knight crusader for my castelan. Please guard players keep doing infantry spam. I don't wanna go back to 3 custodes squads and odd buffs.
I think the comments about taking an infantry squad command blob instead of Catachan are spot on. It’s not just the mortar heavy weapons. It’s because infantry squads get cover for sitting on a circle, plus they can get a take cover order to stack protection from enemy indirect fire trying to break up the command blob. Better offense and defense by using 5 left over points is hard to beat.
frankly im suprisded 20 command blobs aren't more common. Every time I see a 10 man guard command blob, I drop 2 guard teams in on it and nearly always charge and 1 round removing orders for the rest of the game, I feel like 60 more points for 10 more wounds is better
@@janehrahan5116 because adding another 10 guys to just sit behind an wall on an objective isn't worth it, that's 60 points you could spend on something like a scout sentinel or scion squad. Currently they are just a tax to glue the lord solar ( who forgot his acheotech vox at home apparently) and a command squad together, and bring a mortar so that you can tag anything within 48" with fields of fire
An extra 10 wound won't really matter that much if you opponent has anything that will be a serious threat, if anything you're just giving them 2 extra free blast shots
It depends if you have the 5pts to spend or not. 5pts for a mortar is nice. The plasma gun and plasma pistol sarge will come up occasionally if they send a unit round the back somehow.
Another good thing about it is if you go with double mortar (one in the infantry squad, one in the command squad) it makes the unit slightly less susceptible to blast weapons, since the unit will only have 14 models. It's something to keep in mind, since the biggest threat to Solar's CommandBlob after deep strikers is artillery.
@@MidWanker-MinisI’d be tempted by a melta gun incase you need to yolo slag a rampaging monster late game.
replace the catachans in the command blob with infantry/cadian shock troops. might as well make use of those last 5 points. im going to try this list on tts and see how it goes!
EDIT: So after playing this list, I think it can be improved by replacing the basilisks with earth shakers, and then giving the platoon commander the grand strategist enhancement. that way every unit gets an order.
Mordian you're gonna make me worry with video names like that. Never doubt the Russ.
The Old Faithful
I sometime go for the triple Dorn but it can be very frustrating to deal with for some armies. So if you want to keep you're friend stay with two XD
its almost like the Dorn is either under costed or the Russ's are over costed.
Double Dorn Baneblade combo in a spearhead works well and has the rule of cool on the battlefield.
Storm lord baneblade with the twin vulcans and the 40? I believe carrying cap and like 12 firing deck and stack it with lazcannon heavy teams. It's fucking gross.
There's a guy at my local TTS with 4 bane blades and his 2000pt army with all 4 is stupid.
@@imadequate3376 That is the kind of list you don't get to play with outside of tournaments as your opponents run for the hills.
@@imadequate3376 we play on too congested terrain. I played in a doubles tourney and just fielded 2 SHs and I was just contained in our deployment zone, I couldn't go anywhere. It was a little frustrating. In 2000 pts I doubt I could score much(I was unable to move on to the center objective because I was too wide
Here's the take I threw together. Triple Dorn, obviously, Lord Solar command blob using Platoon Command Squad and a ten man Infantry Squad with two mortar tubes between them. For artillery I was actually thinking instead of Basilisks go with two Earthshaker Carriages supported by Creed, which means Lord Solar can concentrate on the tanks. For my infantry I went with a 15-man Scions team for deep strikes, and two Cadian "super-blobs" - a Castellan, a command squad, and 20 shock troops. I might be biased myself, but I feel like for playing the objective game, having that many OC 2 bodies with Cadia Stands in the mix is a really solid choice to stay standing on a circle. (That all the infantry I have right now are Cadians. 😅 )
I would love to see an Abhuman themed list. "Mordian's Rejects" I think you might be able to make it work by using a Stormlord to carry Ogryn up the battlefield.
I would take an infantry squad with a mortar for the command blob, and then I would give the command squad a mortar instead of plasma gun and medic. Double mortar is useful for Fields of Fire. You have the spare 5pts for it.
Also, Gaunt's Ghosts could be worth looking at for secondaries, especially now they can order out of reserve.
Dorn's are awesome but their AP could be higher. I think I'd find room for Creed to get those free FoF going ensuring the Dorn's are putting wraiths and custodes onto their invuln saves.
SO YOUR TELLING ME MY CHRISTMAS BOX SET DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH DORNS?!?!?!?!
thank god I have a valid excuse to get another dorn
Great list! The dorns are awesome to look at as a bonus
As a guard player during 5/6E with a trench warfare style inspired army I'd love to see your take on a 10th edition version at some point, basically a list with full defensive capabilities until an all-in charge
I included infantry blobs with command teams supported by HWT bolters and mortars + sentinels for and arti + valkyries for objective strikes
I got a dorn for my birthday and a Cadian Defense Force for christmas. Add a tank commander with grand strategist makes this list exactly 1,000 points!
Heres my take, point is to completely overwhelm the opponent with armour, rendering all anti infantry firepower useless. 1 Enginseer with a bunch of Russes was always useful, could swap out one for a couple of cyclops. Just keep rolling Chimeras onto the central objective, use the rest of your force to hold up home objective and one in NML.
Lord Solar
2 x Enginseer
Tank Commander with grand strategist (allows you to fight with it and the Dorns on two fronts)
Command Squad with mortar, vox, medic (for popping Suppressing Fire on things)
3 x Catachans with Chimeras
Keig Infantry Squad with vox (for command blob)
Scions (or heavy flamer scout sentinel) for secondaries
Basilisk (just to slow things down, not looking for major damage)
3 x ROGAL DORN
Calidus Assassin
(Dropping both Engineseers and scions/sentinel gives you enough for a cyclops and Catachans/Chimera or Basilisk depending how you like to score secondaries or want more indirect fire power)
I love your videos mordian! Thanks for the Info!
Was stuck at home with covid last week and went down the rabbit hole watching a bunch of vids and actually decided to go with the triple dorn list lol. Mine inc:
Lord Solar
Tank commander
3 x engineseers for the Invuls on the Dorns
2x10 man kreig squads
Leman russ exterminator
3 dorns
2 basilisks
2 scout sentinels
Thinking of changing the tank commander for some Kreig Marshals and the Primaris Psyker
I'm still a fan of Double Dorn plus TComm+GStrat. ~750pts, smallish concentrated squadron, not too many points, still highly effective.
I kinda want the Rogal Dorn chassis to be used for more things, like different turrets. It would be nice to see it with an Anti-air turret with 4 autocannons or an anti heavy with a heavy lascannon. The conversion to tank-hunter we are seeing is amazing for example and GW could easilly make it official. Also The hull could be used to create a transport vehicle like an IFV (because it would be a more armored and better armed version of the Chimera, ehich is an APC) or mobile artillery.
Not a guard main guy myself but been playing against them a lot...and personally been running a double land raider ironstorm list so I'll give my go at this for fun. Only thing I want to talk about is Oppressor Cannon vs. Twin-Battle Cannon...I don't know but I think the Oppressor cannon isn't actually better. Having used Predator autocannons...that statline is fairly weak for what it might be firing at or just outright ill-fitted. By all maths, the Twin-Linked Battle Cannon offers far more consistency with wounding rates and even better wounding rates on average, even against harder targets. If I remember my maths right, unless you are wounding something on a 6 (firing at something with T20...) then any roll that includes FULL re-rolls is better than having a one stage better wounding rate.
5+ with re-rolls is better than 4+ wounding.
4+ wounding with re-rolls is better than 3+ wounding.
It just adds consistency in my opinion. The lower AP is a factor but in my ol' go of it, I have things to help support the core 3 tanks.
So what do I suggest for the list? Here's my HOT HOT take on it.
Leontus
Ursula Creed
2x Platoon Command, Master Vox, Medi-pack, Mortar. One officer has Drill commander (goes with Leontus), One has Grand Strategist (goes with Creed). Enchancements because i had 35 points left.
2x Infantry squads both with mortars.
3x Rogal Dorns with Twin-battle canons, Meltaguns, Multimeltas and pulviser cannon
6 Bullgryns with Brute Shields and Mauls
1 Hellhound with Multi-Melta and Hunter Killer
3x Scout Sentinels (each on their own, not in one squad) with lascannons and Hunter Killers (and chainsaws)
3x Kasrkrin squads with Meltaguns, Plasma guns, Sniper and melta mine.
Main theory craft here is using Creed to double up on Field of Fire (FoF) usage or to enable its usage even if hit by a Vex (+1CP tax ability). This is why both her and Leontus squad have double mortars, to aid in consistency of getting that trigger and enabling the doubling of that effect. The Hellhound also helps by being able to turn off cover benefit for a target, so for things like tanks this could be very helpful even if you don't go full combo, having AP1 now matter again for the battle-cannons means even a 2+ save is suddenly dropping a lot more wounds. While every Rogal Dorn Ideally would have orders throughout the game, best to consider one of them a Flanking role tank that may do without an order from Leontus turn 1 who I would ideally have ordering 2 of the dorns + the Bullgryns (give the Bullgryns Move Move Move). The one dorn flanking should be positioned where the opponent has put weaker units that may not be able to contest a dorn, with Leontus re-deploy this should be easily done.
Scout Sentinels offer another layer of consistency and nuisance units. There are 3 lone sentinels running around and should be able to at least tag a priority target for re-roll 1s for the dorns each turn. Ultimately though, if they die they die...means the Dorns weren't taking fire and are now moving up.
Now for the Kasrkrin. These guys are to get orders from Creed mostly to double up on Move Move Move to get objectives early, being the most annoying thing since sliced bread and ultimately be another element the enemy can't ignore once objectives start being a thing. This list could quite easily just set-up shop with Deploy Teleport Homer and Cleanse, Park the Bullgryns turn 1 on the centre for Deploy and the Kasrkrin just get to work triggering Cleanse over and over again, or maybe have a random sentinel just do it. Once the Kasrkrin get to position, just slapping them with orders for better saves and better OC means they are now harder to take objectives from AND they have a 3+ save with benefit of cover (highly likely anyway). If anyone gets close, they will take D3 mortals off them, of 2D3 if a vehicle is getting cute.
Will admit though, this is me going incredibly against the guard grain by omitting entirely any real form of Indirect fire bar the mortars. However push comes to shove, Dorns and Kasrkrin can always help trigger FoF anyway if maybe you lose the mortars or maybe need those units to handle homefield trouble.
Main issues: its a lot of large and bulky boys who may have a problem fitting both of their asscheeks through tables full of ruins that tournament run (and I play on those layouts...my land raiders STRUGGLE) so any movement blocking plays will likely set you back a full turn minimum. It also requires knowing how to order your movement as to not block yourself in. Again, my focus isn't to have all 3 dorns in the centre, I want 2 Dorns and the Bullgryn being the centre field attractions. The 3rd dorn is a flanking dorn that is operating to be something that should help where needed as needed. The Hellhound is likely the biggest challenge to move. with now easily 3 lanes clogged with metal, this puppy will just have to make do with what it can get.
This isn't a list about hiding EVERYTHING. In fact, I might even suggest that instead of trying to hide completely, just hide from select enemy units (use loentus re-deploy to help) and reveal against other things. You do have Ablative Plating so use it, let that help you soak some firepower and if they do kill a Dorn, that's fine,; you got 2 more.
Not a list that I think works out the gate and is easy to use but I think this one compliments the Dorns better.
I like this. This is well done. 👍 I'm not a huge fan of RDs myself, so I'd just replace them with 2 Malcadors and 1 Malcador Annihilator or just 3 Malcs 😂
Unfortunately, RD has more gun variety 😕
A few months ago you made a video about regimental enginseers in combat guard squads, i think that might be really fun to see with those dorns.
They also have nice synergy with the cyclops potentially.
Quickly made an example list:
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+ FACTION KEYWORD: Imperium - Astra Militarum
+ DETACHMENT: Combined Regiment
+ TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 2000pts
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+ WARLORD: Char8: Lord Solar Leontus
+ ENHANCEMENT: Grand Strategist (on Char1: Platoon Command Squad - Platoon Commander)
+ NUMBER OF UNITS: 23
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Char1: 4x Platoon Command Squad (75 pts)
• 2x Veteran Guardsman
1 with Master Vox, Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
1 with Medi-pack, Close Combat Weapon, Lasgun, Laspistol
• 1x Platoon Commander: Close Combat Weapon, Plasma Pistol, Power Weapon
Enhancement: Grand Strategist (15 pts)
• 1x Veteran Heavy Weapons Team: Close Combat Weapon, Laspistol, Mortar
Char2: 1x Regimental Enginseer (45 pts): Archeotech Pistol, Enginseer Axe, Servo-arm
Char3: 1x Regimental Enginseer (45 pts): Archeotech Pistol, Enginseer Axe, Servo-arm
Char4: 1x Regimental Enginseer (45 pts): Archeotech Pistol, Enginseer Axe, Servo-arm
Char5: 1x Regimental Preacher (35 pts): Holy Pistol, Power Weapon
Char6: 1x Regimental Preacher (35 pts): Holy Pistol, Power Weapon
Char7: 1x ‘Iron Hand’ Straken (55 pts): Auto Shotgun, Bionic Arm with Devil's Claw, Plasma Pistol
Char8: 1x Lord Solar Leontus (125 pts): Warlord, Conquest, Konstrain's Hooves, Sol's Righteous Gaze
20x Catachan Jungle Fighters (110 pts): Sergeants, 13x Jungle Fighter, 4x Jungle Fighter w/ Flamer, Jungle Fighter w/ Vox-caster
20x Catachan Jungle Fighters (110 pts): Sergeants, 13x Jungle Fighter, 4x Jungle Fighter w/ Flamer, Jungle Fighter w/ Vox-caster
20x Catachan Jungle Fighters (110 pts): Sergeants, 13x Jungle Fighter, 4x Jungle Fighter w/ Flamer, Jungle Fighter w/ Vox-caster
10x Catachan Jungle Fighters (55 pts): Jungle Fighter Sergeant, 7x Jungle Fighter, 2x Jungle Fighter w/ Flamer
9x Infantry Squad (60 pts): 5x Guardsman, Guardsman w/ Vox Caster, Heavy Weapons Team, Sergeant, Guardsman w/ Meltagun
4x Munitorum Servitors (35 pts): Servitor's Servo Arm
4x Munitorum Servitors (35 pts): Servitor's Servo Arm
4x Munitorum Servitors (35 pts): Servitor's Servo Arm
1x Basilisk (135 pts): Armoured Tracks, Earthshaker Cannon, Hunter-killer Missile, Heavy Flamer
1x Cyclops Demolition Vehicle (25 pts):
1x Cyclops Demolition Vehicle (25 pts):
1x Cyclops Demolition Vehicle (25 pts):
1x Rogal Dorn Battle Tank (260 pts): Armoured tracks, Heavy Stubber, 2x Heavy Stubber, 2x Multi-melta, Pulveriser Cannon, Co-axial Autocannon, Oppressor Cannon
1x Rogal Dorn Battle Tank (260 pts): Armoured tracks, Heavy Stubber, 2x Heavy Stubber, 2x Multi-melta, Pulveriser Cannon, Co-axial Autocannon, Oppressor Cannon
1x Rogal Dorn Battle Tank (260 pts): Armoured tracks, Heavy Stubber, 2x Heavy Stubber, 2x Multi-melta, Pulveriser Cannon, Co-axial Autocannon, Oppressor Cannon
I like this army. It's funny that it's quite similar to my army in a few ways.
I am a huge fan of the exterminator russ, scout sentinels, and rough riders. These did massive work in a tournament, but I see how the dorn is carrying the list here.
If I was building the list I think I would find space for Ursula Creed, leaving her solo near the Solar Command Squad and making sure there was a mortar of some kind of that command squad. Handing out Fields of Fire across the board for free every turn has the tendency of turning infantry lasguns into absolute monsters.
I do like the list though. I just painted my third dorn and my cyclopes so I can almost run it with the models I have...
Did you just make a Trailer Park Boys reference!? LOL
Played vs World Eaters yesterday, my Rogal Dorn tank brought Angron to 3 wound after a full salvo 😮 I am not a pro player but that shocked me, I almost took down a fu**ing daemon primarch in one go with this beauty of a tank. Won that game, now I am getting another Dorn, I fell in love with it.
It's funny. I'm running a similar list tomorrow. Just two Dorns and a Demolisher Tank commander (don't own three Dorns). Also, instead of the two catachan blobs, I'm tanking a Kasarkin squad with a chimera (just to test it out) :)
Trip Dorn is fun at a tournament, I have been running it since december, easy to play on the clock and some armies just cant deal with it, since the data slate I have dropped indirect and play full aggro in the middle and it works surprsingly well. Solar blob (with DKoK), x2 bullgryn (6 strong), x3 Kasrkin in Chimeras, x2 clyclops, X3 Dorn and a Calidus. my personal experience is the chimera bullgryn wall is tough to push through and there is alot of mortal wounds on the front line with Kasrkin, and grenades on Bullgryn.
Its quite a standard list really. Decent amount of infantry, arty, tanks and a cheeky scion squad.
Id like to see with 4 inf squads in chimeras, rough or death riders and more scions so everything is speedy, hammer and anvil style. Probably keep a basilisk or a flyer
I am always a fan of taking a scout sentinel or two, the only thing missing from this list seems to be access to re-rolls. I might cut one of the catachan blobs. 3’s re-rolling 1’s is a lot better than straight threes. Would also help the two basilisks not take the IDF penalty!
"I find your lack of Scout Sentinels... disturbing." nah but for real tho -
Ofc there's validity in the list, its just the standard Mordian Glory 10th ed Index hybrid army with 3 Rogal Dorns instead of 1 Rogal and 3 Leman Russ. Its the same units taken over and over again but in different configurations. Really counted on Mordian of all people to explore the index and see what works, but every game is essentially the same units. Its head cannon that Mordian has a secret vendetta where he literally will not use Scout Sentinels, then when 11th comes out he say "Look I went all 10th without taking a single sentinel. Reject the meta." I dont understand why, but GW put an army wide buff mechanic on the chicken walkers. A squad of 3 will consistently apply daring recon every single turn, save 2 cp for reinforcements and they literally apply it every turn. Another two tools missing from the list is Creed and Guant's Ghosts.
The 4 (5 honourable mention) 10th ed Guard Index Tools:
1. Lord Sol
2. Creed's FoF
3. 3x Chicken Walker
4. Guant's Ghosts
(5) Exterminator Auto Russ.
These are the units that actually make the faction function and punch well above our weight. For every one you're missing, the Guard list suffers ever more.
Really hoping you try some new units sometime Mordian.
Alternate list
Lord Solar
Platoon Commander
Ogryn Bodyguard
20x Catachan
3x5 Scions
3x Rogal Dorn
3x Leman Russ Exterminator
3x Scout Sentinels
Scout sentinels + russes + solar end up giving the Dorns BS3+, reroll 1s to hit and an extra pip of AP. Stack fields of fire with scions and you have oppressor cannons with AP-4!!!!
I approve of this. Is there any way to fit 15 points in to give solar a 4th order?
@@janehrahan5116you can’t give him the grand strategist enhancement as he is a named character….
you can give it to the platoon commander @@xMcCabe32x
Nvm then
Tweaks needed I think. I believe the Catachans should be trimmed down from 2x20 1x10 to 3x10, Creed and an Infantry Squad with Mortar. Straken is the onky Dude doing actual damage in the Catachans and I would not want to miss Creed and Fields of Fire. Maybe you can substitute one of those Squads for a Scout Sentinel as force multiplyer
I would say combine the remainder of points with 9 sentinals and the rest infantry. The composition of said remainder i would leave for you to pick but the principle is essentially the infantry to to foot slogging stuff, actions screening etc and the sentinals for screening a second line and fire support but qlso needing heavy weapons to realistically take down and diluting what will come the way of the dorns.
Current list is triple dorn, with 2 russ tank commanders (1 demolisher and 1 battle cannon) including grand strategist. Add in 2 basilisk, 3 scout sentinels round up with 2 10 man catachan squads and a 10 man infantry squad with platoon squad and 2 5 man scion squads for deep strike funsies 😁 the 3 dorns are always fun especially with ablative armour 😂
Ill never let my russes go.
I only have one dorn but seeing this 3:10 makes me want to but two more just so I can recreate that for my Death Korps!!!!
Next week: The age of the Dorn is over! Make way for the triple Stormblade list!!!!!!
I’ve only got 2 dorns sooooo guess I gotta throw the baneblade in🤷♂️
I've been thinking for a while now that the Russ is being soft replaced, especially now that it's been revealed that solar auxilia is getting a Russ and things in horus heresy tend to not get much support in 40k. Dorn generally does seem like a more effective way to get the durability and firepower you need in place of the Russ. Something I've been mulling over is whether or not the Dorn actually needs orders to be effective. With the oppressor cannon being d6+3 shots with blast, plus the fact that you have 3 of them, you might have enough volume to do reliable damage in spite of the 4 to hit, and if not then scout sentinels giving reroll one's might be enough to make a difference plus supporting the rest of the force as well.
I took the dorn without orders and felt it way underperformed compared to with an order. Maybe I was just off that day, but without orders it felt like it was more than a 16% difference. I will say it's not bad against smaller enemies so maybe you can have one order supporting two dorns and taking turns between them as to which gets the order.
I'm concerned that your Leo becomes a single point of failure. I'd prefer his bodyguard to be a bit tankier just in case.
We're drifting towards a durability rules bypass meta thanks to C'tan, Girlyman, Deathwing etc, so Dorns are also going to get incidentally hated on.
Other than the above concerns, seems sound.
needs some vanquishers or armigers as bait
Mordian could we see a battle where you take what is considered "meta" for guard currently with things like bullgryn chimeras and Kasrkin, not saying play it super serious but I do want to watch what is working well for us in tournaments to get some insight
At 9.10, I laughed at that joke more than I care to admit 😂😂
I ran 3 dorns once. Worked well, first win against the Grey knights. It is expensive but... it worked.
Im intrigued, how do you “build a unit on paper?” Do you just think of possible tactics or do you calculate odds against various enemy armies? (If such a thing is even possible) it seems a bit daunting to me to think of entire armies on paper without any actual games
I just purchased 3 dorns after watching this
So hear me out on why no lord solar. For 245 you get 3 tank orders, something to sit on a home objective, 2 mortars that contribute, and 1 extra cp per round. This is wrapped up into a super fragile unit that if anyone has precision or the dorns get more than 24 away, you have a problem.
For 425 you can get two tank Commanders with grand strat. That gives you 3 tank orders 2 lascannons, 2d6+6 from the battle cannon, 4 multimeltas, and 2 heavy stub, a ton of wounds, and if they get popped fight on death. You orders are always in range of the dorn, no need to worry about precision.
The difference between all that out put is 180 points.lord solar is fine, but he sits in the back and primarily contributes 3 orders for 245 points. He is also the first target of my enemy as if they get to him, everything falls apart. Just feel like 2 tank Commanders and 3 russes for 1205 is not that bad. Add in 2 basilisks and you still have 525 in points for infantry, enginseers, and action monkies.
This list has the bonus point that your opponent may just forfeit after sitting through three shooting phases where 3 Rogal Dorns fire all of their weapons
D: ............. *rush buys another DORN!*
I don't know your meta, but in mine 20 men infantry (even Kriegs) last nothing. I love the channel but sometimes i see very big differences in style of list building: yours seems to have absolutely no anti infantry fire and somewhat lacking melee. Mine are made of mixed anti tank and anti infantry in form of as much blast possible, all elite 40mm based heavy infantry that can mow down 20 krieg in one go and half while keeping them out of objective control range thanks to their huge bases. The anti horde shooting is actively used also against high resistance targets especially when combined with sustained hits or devastating wounds, and it works. So i really struggle to take the no man's land of objectives and keep them for more then 1 turn or 2.
Apart of little difference in points per fire output, i think Guard has other kind of problems to deal with. As for now 3 Dorns are the best option hands down
I'm thinking:
-Solar Command blob w/infantry squad
-60 infantry, 20 Cats, 40 Cadians
-1 chimera
-1 squad of Kasrkin
-2 Basilisk
-3 Dorns
-3 Scout Sentinels
1995
Short on orders?
How's your solar orders going to reach out
cause he's in a command blob@@jackchan3235
Do you think the old basilisk will be replaced?
3 are already too much against certain armies according to me. I personally play 2rogals + tank commander as armored wedge. I didn't try 3 rogals because I only printed 2 :)
My biggest problem with this list, is I play on WTC terrain maps, so do not thing the Dorn can get moving thru the table 😞
Well yeah if i´would plac combatativ i thik thats the way to go or with at least one Bane blade currently I paly
(2000 points)
Cadian Castellan (65 points)
• Enhancement: Drill Commander
Platoon Command Squad (75 points)
• Enhancement: Grand Strategist
- Medic
- M.VoX
- Autocanon
Regimental Enginseer (45 points)
Tank Commander (205 points)
1x Demolisher battle cannon
2x Multi-melta
BATTLELINE
2X Catachan Jungle Fighters (55 points)
Infantry Squad (120 points +Platoon + Castallan; sitting on Home objektiv)
2x Sniper rifle
• 2x Autocannon
2X Infantry Squad (60 points)
1x Lascannon
DEDICATED TRANSPORTS
2x Chimera (70 points) Catachan
2x heavy flamer
2xChimera (70 points) Infantarie Squad
2x heavy bolter
OTHER DATASHEETS
Field Ordnance Battery (120 points)
• 2x Bombast Fieldguns
2x Kasrkin (100 points)
Leman Russ Exterminator (180 points)
Ogryn Bodyguard (40 points because i had 40 points)
• 1x Close combat weapon 1x Huge knif 1x Ripper gun
Ratling Snipers (60 points)
Rogal Dorn Battle Tank (260 points)
2x Scout Sentinels (60 points)
not me saluting and liking the video immediately.
Use infantry mortar blobs w/ command x3 and 3x mortar teams experiment? 12 mortars total?
Glorious!
Never taking Dorns. Leman Russ forever.
I think triple dorn is over egging the pudding... just my opinion before I get fully into the video
2:52 Those tank destroyer-style conversions are beautiful :) Does anyone know where they're from?
@Pete The Wargamer has a video on it
tbh with 3 dorns, might as well go shadowsword + baneblade imho, its only 930 vs 780. it costs 150 more but you get far more firepower, the durability is slightly lower vs heavy at or light at, but the most common at (s12) is even.
Edit: the only downside to this is if tournaments keep doing the cringe "large models can't leave deployment zone" terain.
Terrain would be my primary concern. I've heard and seen a lot of stories from people using superheavy tanks where they were effectively neutralized by terrain, trapped in deployment and sometimes never even getting to fire a shot. Hell, I've even heard sometimes people can't even get their Dorns out of deployment, but that's much more rare.
I’m seconding anti-super heavy terrain being cringe.
LET ME USE MY MODELS
@@rileysmith7763 "b but we need the terain to balance melee with ranged", then nerf ranged instead of nerfing indirect fire only.
@@janehrahan5116but we can’t just straight up nerf ranged because it’s all Tau has.
Another point strategy wise is that a Dorn can fire overwatch while titanic units cannot.
Upgrading from DDs to DDDs
What model was the Stug-style tank at the beginning of the video?
That's a converted Rogal Dorn Battle Tank as a Tank destroyer variant :)
Drop one Catachan blob and put in two scout sentinels.
I played with this idea only to discover I can’t afford 2 new dorns
Three Dorns? Or three Valdors?
3 Dorns sounds like cheese. But rules are rules.
When is the triple baneblade chassis getting its’ rightful spotlight???
How about a light armour list. Lots of vehicles but no Russ or Dorn.
I dont like how dependent the guard is on leontus and grand strategist...
Why does the the full list with cyclops only give me 1970 points, what am I missing?
sorry, points up and down in new manual, I didn't realize the date
I want to love the Dorn but every time I play with them I roll like dog water and it ends up doing almost nothing the entire game.
Has happened EVERY time I've brought them in 10th
Good video. Timecodes please!))
im not at home and i cant hear the video yet. BUT WHAT HAVE I´VE BEEN SAYING??? no one wanted to believe me in this comunity, but Rogal Dorn is the primaris leman russ. just look at the scale of the new sentinel. That was the red flag to me. Sorry for the negativity, I have 4 russes so when the guard codex drops, I will have to see what do I do as a collector, if I just play an older edition or invest in several rogal dorns
Russes are still great. Tank commanders, demolishers, and exterminators and are all solid. Don't invest if you don't want to. You'll have plenty of success with OG russes
@@TJDieter2191 they are fine, now... Think about how the dorn is slowly replacing it. Slowly. At first, when it came out, it was literally worse than the russ. Now it is slightly better. Watch out gor the next guard codex! I know that right now the Russ is very playable. I'm thinking long /mid term. It is the redemptor leman russ, although GW is doing less aggressively, since guard is not as popular as marines.
I think this is more to fill out the tank lineup and attract more players who want guard for the tanks, as well as giving something to be a bit heavier to counter the leman russ being a lower stat line (relative to other equivalent units) and a lower point value. It makes me think like a Sherman vs Sherman jumbo.
As someone who has 5000 points of shelf tier old marines, I think this is a valid warning that more guard players should heed.
@@janehrahan5116 you can call me mystic Pablo, cause i predict these things...
Do you Tripple Dorn Dare us ?
Two complaints I have with the Rogal Dorn tank:
1. Rogal Dorn is a cool primarch but his name sucks. "Rogal" is such an ugly word; they could've easily gone with the Lion Tank (or el'Johnson Tank lmao), Ferrus Tank, or just called it the Dorn Tank.
2. Which is the main battle cannon offset, and not centered? Unless that think is loaded with gyroscopes or the opposite side of the tank is counterbalanced (why lol), that design both looks stupid and makes no sense.
The name is ugly and does not roll off the tongue at all; however, RDBT does!
Valrak is going to bust
Lists of 3x or more big ticket item outside of 3k points games or games where they fight another 3x or more big ticket items suck to play against and ruin the game for me
Tripple dorn is a lot of tank lol
Well when your infantry drops dead easier than a fly the answer is clear, bring stuff that isn't weak to balance it out
O7
nice
If this becomes common I'll have to swap my Knight crusader for my castelan. Please guard players keep doing infantry spam. I don't wanna go back to 3 custodes squads and odd buffs.