@@eva2602 Steve from product planning "We'll just put a remote shut down in it." Gary "What if it gets hacked like ED209?" Steve "Shut up Gary you're not helping here."
@@technounionrepresentative4274 Nope, in the movie those are actual bullets. Now in the real life recording of the movie, they didn't fire at all and just burst some blood packs underneath the actors clothing. XD
This goes to show just how good Bob Morton's team were before his untimely accident. The chassis they built was perfect, and they chose Murphy very carefully to ensure they had a subject with enough mental and spiritual fortitude to not take himself out. When OCP themselves try it, they're truly offering the corporate version - low quality body, poor subject screening, cost cutting, cookie cutter facsimile. Bob's team really took pride in their work.
@@kingsadvisor18 it is Quality cause it's original comedy at it's finest no of that regurgitated stuff other movies use that scene was new and fresh and it is comical a robot ripping it's head off and screaming is funny
Movie does not show any screening process about selecting the donor, but after that I agree. Morton's team used good materials to create impressive proof-of-concept and it worked. He made good product. Dick Jones' ED-209 was good business. They are not exactly same.
@@vksasdgaming9472 ED209 is a much better product. No human brain needed, easy to mass produce, requires a lot of upkeep (more money for spare parts). You just can't beat Dick Jone's experience in business)))))
That's the whole crux of the movie and the main character, Alex. I always thought there is this undercurrent of him asking himself if he's still human or even still a man. This was nicely displayed when one of the bad guys kicks him in the crotch. As someone put it, intelligent trash is hard to make.
@@jochenstacker7448 Agreed 100% I can't remember exactly why but there was a psychological profile done on Alex Murphy before he was transferred to The department wherein he was killed in the line of duty. I think Alex Murphy had such a powerful moral character and believed wholly in his purpose that he was able to overcome the madness that these 2 officers experienced. If I'm not mistaken. I think it's something the Dr Touches on before putting Kanes brain into Robocop 2
@@AllknowingUnknown Exactly right, she explains that Murphy has a STRONG sense of duty and that's what kept him alive. I always thought a fictional character like Spiderman or Batman could conceivably survive the cyberization process.
Honestly, the fact they managed to make the second robot humorous at all is impressive. I mean it's still horrifying, a human reduced to nothing but a bloody skeleton, that simply wants death. But the scream and sound effects after it falls?
it surprisingly humorous at that rips it's own head off and screams that was a unique robot at that no has ever done a screaming robot that rips it's own head off🤣🤣🤣
@@TheLightBringerXI'm..sorry I offended you. And maybe my last comment was a bit snarky. What I was trying say was, "I CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE WAY YOU TYPE. You have made so many grammatical errors your comment is literally incomprehensible to me. I'm sorry. Please improve your grammar so i can actually understand what you're trying to say."
I'm not asking for prefect grammar I'm asking for comprehensibility I chat in discord and have used the internet for 5 years, I can understand below average grammar but, agreed. have a wonderful week. @@TheLightBringerX
I’d rather get 20 Needles drilled into me injecting 6 different Supersoldier Chemical Formulas with the chance of permanent disfigurement all in order to fight an Alien Empire consisting of 8 different races numbering over the Trillions over getting turned into a Skeleton-turned-Cyborg and policing 1st World Countries. 😂
Yeah but the spartan program was like 2 generations of failures , 300 ish subjects were only a half survived and didnt last long and Hasley have like unlimited budget before the military cut it for the S-IIIIs
I like how everyone in the room just saw literally each test subject kill themselves yet the only response they have is a slightly miffed face of oh dangit.
The one that pulls its helmet off to reveal a living human skull with wires running into its eye sockets that lets out a scream of misery before he/she falls to the floor is morally horrifying.
@Sam Beckett idk, if you listen to the scream of the lady the first cyborg killed and then you listen to the scream of the second cyborg, they kind of sound similar. Also the second cyborg is more sleek, maybe that means it’s a woman? Doesn’t make much sense though.
What's really disturbing is just how quickly the second cyborg tore its own head off. As soon as he had the ability to move he immediately committed suicide, poor bastard didn't hesitate.
Another thing I really like is how in the RoboCaine showcase scene, despite it being the basic "grand presentation but something goes wrong" scene, its hella unique because technically nothing even manages to go right before shit hits the fans. Almost the very moment Caine appears everything goes wrong, even as you can see him extend his arm to the bottle of drug in the background.
As much as this scene was played for laughs, its genuinely sad and horrifying that the cyborgs consistently go insane and kill themselves when you turn them on.
I mean when you get cybernetics, you lose part of your humanity and if it's extreme amount or full body conversions, you basically have no sanity or humanity left in you which the term if you're unaware is Cyberpsychosis, that's basically what they went through but actually killed themselves rather than becoming machines or atleast that's what I think happens with this disorder.
@@justwannabehappy6735 When you are one of the most recognizable old-school gritty action movie and your remake is just... "okay", that's an insult in itself. It should've been memorable and timeless, just like the original. Because that's why they REmade it right? How do you remake something that's weird, hilarious and straight up horrifying, to just be "okay". That's like saying the Hobbit was okay, even though LoTR is the highest grossed/praised fantasy film of all time.
Always loved how the plot of the film is "We can't get a test subject with a strong enough will to adjust to the shock of the procedure, so let's stick the brain of a sociopathic druglord with a God complex in one of these things!"
Well, also the sociopathic drug lord had no humanity left to lose. Reminds me of Adam Smasher from Cyberpunk. He coped with being fully borged out by not having any humanity to begin with.
@@Filterdeez I don't think they even gave Kane directives. In fact i think he wouldn't have understood them if they did because his mind was so ravaged by drug addiction and pain which was the only thing keeping him somewhat obedient.
i really think biomechanical horror is incredibly underrated theres just something about augmentation and robotics gone wrong that gives such a raw and primal fear and im surprised it hasnt been done more in actual horror movies
I remember the first time I saw RoboCop 1, that one part when they shoot up Murphy? Yeah, that scene watching as a kid, by the way was the first scene I ever saw in a movie that was hard-violence, yeah, fucked me up for some time afterwards. I remember being in school for months after and while the teacher was going over the lessons all I could think about was that scene, just playing out in my head. I kept feeling so bad for the character. Friggin great movie.
@@dsandoval9396 That scene shocked me too when I was young. I don't think any movie during that time or before had a killing that brutal short of chainsaw massacre. The sad part is that those kind of killings in movies today are a regular scene. Together with real life killings aired daily on the news I think it is hard to shock the young generation of today. Now they just try to top each other on who can do the most gory or gruesome killing.
@@derlich09 I think the reason why such scenes are more harder to process for kids and young adults is because of the surreal look they have. Modern day CGI looks almost completely realistic when done right, resulting in a better processing within the brain because of how similar it looks to normal memories and things we see.
You do. It's one of the most important scenes in the movie. Yes. Seriously. Robocop 1 ended on an ambiguous note. Does Robocop thinks he's Alex James Murphy brought back to life or did it assume the identity of Murphy to cope with it's reality? Notice how Robo never refers to himself or is refered to as Alex Murphy. Just Murphy. He even says that Alex Murphy is dead. We know it's Murphy's brain and face over all the metal. But does the cyborg think he's Alex Murphy? A modern Ship of Theseus. This theme of Identity and Humanity is the core of the franchise. So, why is this scene important? Because it shows these prototypes cannot cope with their new reality. The entire reason they gave Robocop Murphy's face was to give him an identity his brain could see itself as. Also to make him appear friendly to humans. The prototypes also lack the willpower Murphy had, that made OCP Crime Prevention Unit 001 a success. So, the reason they decided to put the brain of a megalomaniac in control of overwhelming firepower was because they figured it would revel in the power affordee by it's cyborg body. And it was a drug addict they could control using drugs to reward it with a dose whenever it did something right. Like training a dog. This movie is way deeper than leople realise. Still not as good as 1, but still brilliant. It's also a forced sequel that is a meta-commentary on forced sequels.
Oh I think about this kind of thing all of the time. Like, what lengths am I willing to go to to continue to exist? What kind of possible hells am I willing to risk, what kind of monster am I willing to become? I fear death severely. The thought of transferring my mind into a robotic body is very enticing. However, I'm trying to write a sort of story that's a bit kinder in the approach. Most of the characters are prone to keeping their original body, at least for a time, and their mind is both biological and machine in the same way you are both your conscious and subconscious mind.
80s movies were built different, now they would sooner "cancel" them for being to obscene, violent, inappropriate, or just not fitting a certain political narrative. Shame really
No, actually what to think about what happens to the lady scientist that is shot by the first cyborg. She isn't seen again, in human form, again, unlike the others shoot. They needed a new body for prototype two, and the second prototype looks smallish and kinda feminine if you take a close look...
The last one might seem funny to you all, but to me it was truly one of the most morbid and dark things I had seen, it just reminded me of body horror, and the fact that the guy is infused with that metal body and his humanity is completely stripped from him. Notice how they all kill themselves immediately
Yes totally agree with you. In childhood this scene was fun, I laughed, now seeing this terrifies me, no body, no skin, you can't breath sometimes, can't wear it off, doesn't feel anything, totally controlled by some corporation, and maybe can feel pain with electrical stimulation of some brain centers, this is so terrible, more I think about this...
"notice how they all kill themselves immediately" I see someone watched the director's commentary. You really notice those small details on repeat viewings
Reminds me of the scene in the reboot when the doctor removes the cybernetics and armor from Murphy's body to show him that there is effectively nothing left of him without the cybernetics.
I think an important factor in OCP's downswing in quality, was Bob Morton's death. Robocop Mk1 (Alex Murphy) was Bob's pet project, and he seemed to know what he was doing for all of it. He not only chose a test subject that was dead, he also wiped the subject's memories. After that he was careful to surround the project with friendly employees (they even invite the half-finished cyborg to a New Year's party). I can only speculate how much worse these two had it during their transformations.
Here is what I see with these failed prototypes: - (0:11): Distinguished by its heavy armor and asymmetric hands (five-digited left hand and a three-digited right hand), it looks like it was originally meant to be specialized for defense, room-clearing, or EOD scenarios. It can use its stronger right hand to carry a shield or anything heavy, whereas its right hand was made for precision and delicate tasks (i.e. firearms, buttons. etc.). Such heavy armor and specialization had a more important task: protecting its 'user' (or 'test subject' for the sake of euphemism). Judging by the remote/PDA in the scientist's hands, and as with all OCP cyborgs, this prototype was no different in that it was powered and controlled by a human brain; however, it appears that the 'test subject' was kept unconscious until the face shield was lifted. From what I can tell, it seems that this prototype relied on the unconscious brainwaves of its 'test subject'; a live test subject would have been too rebellious and dangerous, knowing that their becoming a cybernetic 'pet' of OCP. Unlike RoboCop (formerly 'Alex Murphy'), there was little to no regard for the range of locomotion, ergonomics, and comfort of its 'test subject' - it's literally encased in a tight armored box. Needless to say, once the 'test subject' awoke and realized what was happening and what it became, combined with a sudden bout of claustrophobia, it malfunctioned, stunned everyone (via non-lethal gunshot wounds), and killed itself. This would have been a great defender-based cyborg, but OCP was too restrictive and controlling - it became nothing more than a glorified RC robot. ---- - (0:41): Distinguished by its skinny physique and limbs, this prototype's design had balance and maneuverability in mind. Whereas the first prototype and RoboCop were slow and lumbering tanks, this second prototype was like an armored jeep; it's lighter, faster, narrower, and sleek. Unfortunately, in order to cut down on weight and bulk as much as possible, the design removed as much flesh as possible (except for the brain, nerve system, cardiovascular system, and respiratory system). Needless to say, there is nothing left by bones and vital organs (all kept in the torso, spine, and skull). As long as this prototype didn't remove its armor or protective casings, this perhaps had the most 'friendliest' appearance of all the OCP cyborgs. Sadly, the 'test subject' underneath was in constant pain and misery; the only way to express his discomfort was to cry for help. To do so, he needed to remove his helmet to talk; however, taking off his helmet severed the connections between his brain and every cybernetic system, subsequently shutting them down and, well, killing him.
In both cases, the obsessive need for control ruined the whole deal. Basically, Murphy's independent streak offended, despite his defiance of Directive 4 literally saving the CEO's life. This only becomes more evident with the company then adding many conflicting Directives to both control and sideline Murphy.
A lot of what made the original Robocop model successful was the person they put in the machine: Alex Murphy. His devotion to law and order gave him a reason to live, regardless of whether or not OCP programmed him to uphold it. Furthermore, his religious upbringing instilled in him suicide as not an option, giving him another reason to persevere through his circumstances. I think what also helped Murphy not commit suicide was how the original Robocop body was designed to resemble a human in a massive bodysuit. It was actually revealed that Murphy’s face was put on Robocop’s metal skull because while his memory was erased, his brain would still remember being human, and would break if it saw itself with a metal face in a mirror. With the Robocop 2 prototypes, each one looked increasingly less human and more robotic, with disproportionate features and clear mechanical components, culminating with the behemoth known as RoboCain.
I just now realized the first robot man was screaming behind the glass. He wasn't speaking through the voice, he was just screaming. He then shot 2 people then himself. That is.....oof....that's worse than the skullbot after....
Robocop has this huge subtext of "what makes you a person" or "what makes you, you". Is Alex still alive? Is he still the same person? Is he even a man? To put this kind of existential struggle into what could have been a trashy B movie, is truly art. As someone once said "intelligent trash is incredibly hard to make"
It ties in with the Ship of Theseus question: "In the metaphysics of identity, the ship of Theseus is a thought experiment that raises the question of whether an object that has had all of its components replaced remains fundamentally the same object." it applies to Man too
that skull dude scared the shit out of me as a kid. I seemed to remember him laughing while looking around once or twice though. Guess I was wrong. He's also not nearly as scary as I remember.
At first it was a little creepy for me but now I just giggle at it, the scream as it falls over and you hear parts go rolling away like they are hubcaps off a car just strikes me as hilarious.
Honestly the first one is more terrifying for me. Something about the metal face shield clamping down and sealing the man into his agony is horrifying.
The last one does it for me, just the way it’s trying to peel it off it’s helmet, screaming in pain. It’s clear it doesn’t want to be there, and it was forced into this
The psychological/body horror aspect is so underrated. Those scientists really have no idea the level of suffering going on underneath all the metal and wires.
Dude, a woman got shot and they didn't really bat an eye. A dude got shot and he was presenting another murder machine. They clearly do know, but don't care
Unrelated, but in Prototype, a video game about creating viruses for the 'greater good' of America such as making certain racial types get sick and die easily or creating supersoldiers capable of wiping out an entire state in three weeks. Scientists in the game do know how atrocious their job is to humanity, but they do it anyway. When a reporter ask them how they feel, they simply say they "Aren't paid to feel."
“… nor do they *care.”* Extreme dehumanization is invariably *horrible* for the one being objectified. Only thing similar (as to quality, if not quantity) I can think of, in real life, is when you’re born with what used to be called “birth defects” and they try to “fix” you. In the past - say, 60 years ago - you were seen as an *object,* an *experiment* - and you were supposed to not bother your *NORMAL* betters when you endured things then that give you PTSD *today.* Yup, six decades and counting of flashbacks. Only being one of Mengele’s twins would have been clearly worse.
I always imagined it to be phantom limb which people say is one of the most painful things they have felt but all over the body as the natural receptors freak out after not getting the right signal back from every inch of your body
ED209 is the greatest comic relief robot ever made He has enough firepower to turn a person into bloody mincemeat...yet he's powerless against stairs and getting his foot stuck in a manhole XD
Engineering fuck-ups.... make a robot meant to patrol the streets, but it's too heavy, breaks through the road surface, and can't extract itself. Robot meant for urban environments, but can't climb a standard staircase. The stairs thing may be a callback to the original appearance of the Daleks in Dr. Who, they couldn't climb stairs either.
I know this should be a joke, but I can't imagine the pain a person would feel if they had their muscles wiped out and turned into metal mechanism and their skull were just out there
stop or I'll shoot shoot himself in head after killing innocent people look's like directive 4 could use some work 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
is should be zero. but if for some reason its non-zero, then its just as likely infinite pain as mild pain. or its some new definition of pain, like ghost limb but for literally everything, and all consuming anyway, this was both a fun and disturbing thought experiment, that as someone interested in trans-humanism - i somewhat regret taking on
One thing I always loved about the Robocop movies was the corporate indifference to any actual human suffering. Like instead of being shocked by an innocent board member getting shot a 1000 times in the first Robocop or two scientists being murdered in this clip, it's more of "I'm disappointed that the design didn't work," not how they witnessed multiple human deaths.
OCP was a warning about the ultimately cruel nature of corporations. OCP cares about as little about human life as Amazon and Disney, they just don't bother hiding it.
The first one, as soon as he shorted out the program and gained full control over the metal chassis, shot the two scientists for trapping him in the mechanical hell and then opted out completely. The second one was denied a gun but still tore off all the telemetry and life support systems. Both of them were human minds trying to escape out of the metal bondage.
They could tey using blanks.... But then the armorer could accidentally have live rounds present and the producer lead actor could not take personal responsibility and check the wheapon and then they could be to stupid to shoot into a mirror instead of directly at the camera crew and be too cheap to use a remote pan tilt and follow focus system. Most bad situations in life come from a bad series of decisions and foolish actions.
@@raven4k998 But, were the scientist and personnel present at the demo when it was filmed... like... truly innocent? You know how it is, the good old "just following orders" spiel
@@Varengard what are you talking about who ordered the ed 290 to not hear or see the gun drop and shoot anyway? think about it robocop can figure something like that out pretty easy why can't 209 it's 10 times larger then robocop there's more then enough room inside and at least the same amount of processing power it had to be a mole trying to take down OCP from the inside that would explain why 209 sounds like a pig when it flips onto it's back why it kills for the hell of it so on and so forth
@@edwardgaines6561 they don't have a say. Through a verity of red tape and legal docs the test subjects at one point or another signed away such rights to OCP.
(Joking) In another timeline, they were in charge of Earth's military and went on to send hundreds of thousands of unprepared soldiers to a planet filled with violent sapient insectoids armed with barely anything more than automatic rifles and a few grenades most of the time and next to no intel. Would You Like To Know More?
One of my favorite quotes from Peter Weller, the actor for Robocop has to do with the message of the movie. While many just saw it as a sci-fi action movie in the 80's, he said that he was captivated by the fact it was "A horrific movie about not the parts of a machine being inside of a human, but the parts of a human being inside a machine
Yeah, we have one which realized it’s a head in a jar, one which didn’t know what he became and removes his helmet only to realized that he’s just a skull with brains.... a very bloody one at and and the other one.... he has a god complex so there’s that
After many months of breaking my head about those two robots, I think I finally figured out why they trigger us on such a deep level of irritation and uncomfotablility. Both are perfect examples of a human soul being TRAPPED. The first one is hidden behind plates of armor and even the simulated face is trapped in a small and bulky screen and covered by some sort of an electronic installation. Second one is just a slowly rotting skull they pro forma forced into a metal hull that might feel more like a prison cell than a body. No wonder both went nuts at the very second they were activated. Imagine waking up and being trapped in your children's doll's body while someone you don't even know controls your every step via programming or remote. How would you NOT want to commit suicide, then? BTW: I think it isn't even a malfunction that the first robot tries to put everybody there under arrest - they must have broken pretty much every rule that defines our living as individuals respecting each other and the brain of a dead cop would logically see through this injustices and try to stop it. The inconsistency between the morale values and the action observed would brake the sanest human's mind, let alone that one of a robot that isn't even aware of the situation on the whole scale.
Seriously! No horror movie could ever made me feel so uneasy, disturbed and uncomfortable like Robocop did! The whole idea of have your conscious trapped inside a metal body while you still have emotions and memories of your normal life is diabolical! The scene where Murphy stalks his ex-wife and reminds his life with her when he was human always makes me feel depressed.
When I was younger, the shrieking skull was scarier because it's so up-front and visceral, but watching this again as an adult... I honestly think the first one that shoots the scientists and then itself is worse, just because of how haunting the implications are: 1. The projection of the guy's face starts off with lidded eyes and a gaping mouth, and when the visor flips up, he suddenly blinks and glances around, like he just woke up. 2. He seems to have some sort of tube in his left nostril. I initially assumed that the thin bar above his lip was connected to that and was administering oxygen to him, but when he moves his head, only the nostril tube moves. The horizontal bar does not. This, plus the fact that it looks kind of shiny, suggests that it isn't a medical item, but rather some sort of support structure holding his head in place. 3. He CAN move his head at all. 4. As soon as he sees the scientists to his right (or perhaps the audience), he starts screaming. 5. Once the screaming starts, his face-screen starts flickering and smoking, like he's being electrocuted. 6. When he pulls out his gun, he shoots 2 of the scientists first, then himself. Put together, this 15-second scene paints a horrifying backstory. At *best,* this guy has had some portion of his upper body - possibly his head, heart, lungs, and maybe some small part of his digestive system - stuffed inside of that metal chassis and locked in place. At worst, it's as little as just his head (and possibly lungs) lopped off and hooked up to a crude life support system like those Soviet experiments with decapitated dogs from the 1940's. If it's the former, he's likely under heavy sedation to minimize pain and maintain basic compliance. If it's the latter, he's genuinely barely alive, probably in a horrible fever dream-like mix of agonizing pain and being barely coherent from his brain receiving the bare minimum to live and outputting constant adrenaline and cortisol. Either way, he immediately starts to glitch out, possibly due to some sort of hardware issue. However, contrary to what Hollywood tells you, machines don't just start to spark and smoke when they begin chugging or get caught up in some sort of loop behavior. It's more likely, I think, that the electrical flashes are signs of some sort of pain compliance system - likely a backup to the sedatives and analgesics to get him to do what his programming says to. The drugs are the carrot, and the electroshock system is the stick. That, I think, is why he shoots the scientists first. If he was just depressed or horrified over his current state, he'd just have shot himself. His screaming may have started off as terror or trying to call for help, but as soon as the shock treatment started, his fear gave way to anger. He was, for the moment, lucid enough to know what was happening - and he capitalized on it. The worst part, though, is that he might have survived. If you compare the spot where he shot himself in the head to the equivalent spot on a human body, it is *way* too far forward and too high to be a guaranteed kill shot. That was a shot to the front of the cerebrum, which is the power center for memories, personality, and certain learned behaviors. The fact that the robot just lurched forward and didn't fall over entirely also implies that the damage he inflicted on himself wasn't critical. He might not have done anything that day except LOBOTOMIZE himself and piss off the scientist that keeps him alive and maintained by shooting him in the arm and killing his coworker/love interest. There's a non-zero chance that TV-face guy is locked up in OCP's basement somewhere, in a dark room, stripped of his weapons and mobility, hanging from suspension chains and hooked to a full-scale hospital life support system, brain-damaged but alive, and possibly even still conscious. Alone, in silence, in the dark, all sensory input either reduced to the bare minimum or no longer functional at all. For 35 years. He has a mouth, and he can scream. But nobody can hear him.
Doesn't make much sense to me, these are indeed prototypes but it'd be useless to experiment using anything but what you'll be working with (namely cops) for the final models. And as we saw, mindset was everything when it came to having a working man-robot interface. So I'd say, unless she was a cop (I doubt that), she wasn't part of any such experiment.
@@discoder Nice of the actor to have avoided the blood packs. I hear those things hurt! Obviously nothing like really being shot, but still leaves a bruise.
It's a great scene because it's the essence of the absurd. A big company that literally makes everything (Omni), but failed to create a proper partner for the original Robocop, because that guy had a stable psyche based on his love for his family and the line of duty. It was explained later by Dr. Faxx.
@@BoopSnoot because the first one can disobey them. They want the same quality but something that is completely obedient to them. Hence why these are even more robotic then robocop
@@claytondavis6835 I wonder if that's a big part of why they keep failing, the paradox of being programmed to "uphold the law" while also have the programming "you can't arrest any OCP despite them being some of the worst criminals" so they just meltdown and kill themselves
@@Sideway8 I imagine it was more using a human brain and messing with it too much. Robocop was probably as far as they can go with it. Anything beyond that and the brain and person can’t really handle it
All these decades later it's still a mystery as to why OCP would ever place an intact human skull inside a robot. No doubt, id Software's DooM's flying screaming skulls just a few years later in 1993, was inspired by that.
Probably because Is more complicated to move AN entire brain in a artificial Chamber with no damage ,than Just leave It there and connect everything else from the Cortex start in a already present,rigid support( bone of the skull )
I've always loved this scene as a kid, scary and funny at the same time which is something that seems so difficult to achieve. Robocop 1 and 2 were freaking awesome
That's creepy. Like when you awake as a zombie controlled by an necromancer and in an last ditch effort you managed to kill 2 of them and finally yourself.
well technically he only killed that lady, the other guy just got shot in the arm, you can see him with the bag strap thing they put on fucked up arms in the next shot
Kind of realized that the giant mech that robocop wasn't fully thought out when it killed a few people, couldn't walk down a flight of stairs, and is too heavy for standard roads. How they managed to get it to the top of a building remains a mystery.
Someone should do a little animation of their difficulties in getting them up there. Like crashing through several floors, failed elevators and crane accidents. Then theres the ones that crash through the windows because of no vertical depth perception.
A corporation making a poorly designed money sink, then releasing anyways the broken child of focus testing and greed to get some money back, as opposed to scrapping the mess and NOT tarnishing brand recognition? Nope, not seeing any parallels here. You guys want to play some AAA “lIvE sErViCe” video game slop? After all, a consumer wouldn’t exist without C O N S U M E
I still cant believe my parents were cool with us watching this kind of movie as kids, times have changed. This scene hits differently when just watching it solo like this.
It never occurred to me that the second cyborg might be the woman who got shot in the first scene. I don't know if that was what they really meant by that, but if it was, that makes it even more disturbing.
Yea. Plus the voice in that first scene was not the person talking, it seems to be pre-recorded. As the metal visor clamps Down you see the guy's face in agony.
I get we all want to seem clever and float these theories but there’s absolutely no evidence to support that claim. She wasn’t confirmed dead. Not to mention their test subjects are all police officers..
I VERY much doubt she was the skull bot. Simple reason why. As well as killing her, the first robot also ran a bullet through the arm of the other scientist. That shot scientist appears with the skull-bot, wearing the type of sling you would put on someone with a recent injury. Turning the dead scientist into a robot would take months (going by how long it took to turn Murphy into Robocop) By then, the scientist with the shot arm would have recovered sufficiently to either not need a sling (if it was a non-fracture injury) or have a full cast on the arm (if bone was fractured). A more serious injury would have resulted in the arm getting sawn off or replaced by a prosthetic.
Maybe the real problem is that they kept putting stuff on their head. Murphy had his face mostly intact, though you can tell they basically just peeled his face off and stretched it over a metal skull.
True yet the reason they did that was so that Murphy could still relate to himself despite not having a Human body anymore, you'd think they would have figured that out.
No matter how many times I click on your time stamp, and try to comprehend what you are saying while also seeing it happen on screen, I just instantly forget your point as soon as the trigger is pulled. ADHD sucks
There's something truly terrifying about stop motion cyborgs onscreen. It all sort of feels physical enough to believe that it's in the same space as everything surrounding it, but surreal enough to put you on edge.
I thought the Adeptus Mechanicus didn't convert people all at once. They do it in stages so the individual can get used to it before continuing to have more stuff replaced.
@@1Maklak True, but servitors are only left with enough brains to do whatever job they were built for. They don't have the cognitive function to understand what has happened to them, or pretty much anything beyond their programmed task.
You can either cry about the horrors of the world and existence, and given them more power, or you can laugh and take a little bitty bit of the power back.
This scene proves that Robocop was literally one of a kind, and he could not be so easily replicated. Robocop’s creator, Bob Morton, understood cybernetics, which is why the Robocop program succeeded in the first place. After Bob was murdered by Clarence Boddicker in the first movie, OCP no longer had anyone knowledgeable enough in their R&D department to create a second Robocop successfully (as seen in the above clip). This is what I’ve always believed after seeing this scene.
The real hidden message was that lightning doesn't strike the same place twice. The sequel, also dubbed as "RoboCop 2," can't compare to the original creation. That's why they call the movie RoboCop 2, not because it's a sequel, but because Caine is the title character..RoboCop 2.
Sometimes I don’t know how OCP stay in business when it seems like the original robocop is the only thing they’ve made that actually works and doesn’t cause problems for everyone
Well that's just it, OCP sells just about everything (hence the name 'All Things' Consumer Products), so they make tons of cash from everyday essentials people buy. I guess a real life equivalent would be Amazon. So Rings of Power is pathetic and failed miserably, but Amazon thrives on because of other sectors involved in.
The thing that freaked me out the most in this movie was seeing Cain's living brain in a jar _with his eyes still attached!_ It just never occurred to me how, in your skull, your eyes are right in front of your brain like that!
Your retina is the only part of your central nervous system visible to the outside world. When you look deep into your eyes, you're seeing your own brain tissue. Have fun. But yeah, seeing that as a kid gave me my first feelings of existential dread.
Pretty much. It's nothing but brain, with two eyes floating and connected with soft gelitanous membrane and nervous tissue held together by a bone chassis. The human body is a biomechanical horror show, and we fap to it.
My friends found this hilarious and I disliked horror and dark things until I was 20. Others made fun of me becuse of it, Im scaredy cat - it wasnt fear, I just had more empathy than they did. Even thought I can now appreciate the art of older movies, I have still shivers while watching it.
It's ok. I don't like dark themes either and it's ok to be scared. I think we're the type of people that don't really have a mental barrier between fiction and reality. Even gross depictions of fictions can get us to react as if it's really happening in reality
@@newprojects7847 I think its more about being too smart for your own good, i realized in my 20s the whole reason i am scared of stuff like this is because if someone can think about it or make it a movie, then chances are it has already happened in real life. I think we are just those few cursed ones that actually know how evil people can get.... Its a blessing to live and think nothing like this will ever happen.
I love that the second movie went out of its way to address the fact that the reason there's not an army of robocops running around is because Murphy was the only one mentally strong enough and with the fucking balls to survive the process love this movie
Another part was due to his devout chatolic belief that suicide was an unforgivable sin, he pretty much couldn't go down this path like these two did. Another part at least for the second one, there is a reason why they put his face on the metalic cranium. Even with their memories supressed, they would remeber that they were once humans and needed their faces to not go mad. Kai nwas already mad so for him it was a different story,
I like how the second model Robocop 2 has a helmet that’s several times less secure than Murphy’s visor (which is held in place by two large bolts) even though removing the helmet will kill it.
Was cool to see the second prototype being the basis for the UEDs in RoboCop: Rogue City. Shows that OCP never learns from their mistakes; the design was clearly a failure, but Becker went, "take the men out of those machines, and you get a pretty cool robot. But I like the second one the best. Tech team, draw up a blueprint, minus the skull!"
I was a weird kid and understood that they couldn't live on as monstrosities so they took their own lives 😅 maybe it's because me and my dad would watch stuff together and he would explain stuff to me 😄 happy father's day 😁
the older u get , the more this scene resonates, what does it mean to lose ur humanity and at what cost ? true u get power and immortality and transcend the boundaries of being a human , but living as an eternal puppet for a company like OCP might be a bit too much to pay.....still, it is a deep question and the reason why they cyborgs refused to live like this, Robocop was driven by revenge and then learned to stay a cyborg for the greater good , these were normal humans and i think they mentioned they had huge egos and seeing themselves as half baked cyborgs made them choose death under their own terms, not to mention, the first one died with 1 bullet and the other just removed a helmet, robocop needed a power tool in a specific place to hurt him and despite being shot many times, and cut to pieces, he lived....but what is the tech or his desire to live and get revenge ?
Although people complain about the reboot of robocop. It really does go more into the topic of your comment. If you're not constantly comparing the reboot to the original, it's actually a real good movie.
well, not he will need to get constant super penicillin shoots to keep infections away of his biological tissue, not sure that can be called immortality.
Fun fact, there was a comic book adaptation of Robocop 2. In it the second prototype still has his face and looks similar to Murphy's design. Also doesn't take his helmet off, he just straight up rips his head off.
My dad let me watch robocop 2 when i was 6. Apparently i thought the last robot was so funny I would just randomly screech like him and fal forward for months after that. Great times, my mom still hates my dad for that hahaha
I was 17 when this movie was new. few things in life can be described by me as mortifying. This is one of those few things. I completely wrapped my imagination around this scene and i was sickened, terrified, depressed, and i really felt the pain those cyborgs must have felt. It affected me on a visceral level.
It really is. But It does go back on some of Murphy's growth from the first movie but I think it's biggest problem was how mean spirited the whole movie was. I loved it but it was a little too...dark. The first one was dark too but it had an underlying feeling of hopefulness. The second was the complete opposite.
@@andrewvincent7299 the second one had some stuff cut that if in would have made it better. for instance Murphy has his face pulled off confirming that the face was a rubber facsimile hence why his wife has the reaction she had upon touching him
Don't know what the ppl said exactly, but I agree in terms of sequel robo 2 did not introduce much, its a drug story all over, with another freak being bad, at least first one had a top notch cast there
Yep and even though the soundtrack was seemingly phoned in, unlike Basil's excellent score for R1 and R3, the soundtrack has become quite memorable decades later.
An overlooked detail, Murphy's memory was (temporarily) erased. At the moment he was fully activated, he was Robocop only. He knew no other life. Over time, his memories resurfaced, gradually immersing him in the reality of having been something else before. By the time he knew himself as Murphy, it seems enough time as Robocop had passed to be used to it. Granted, from that point his sense of duty and religion would have kept him from ending himself. Seems to me memory erasure was not done with any version of Robocop 2. Might have worked out better if it was. No guarantee version 2a and 2b wouldn't have ended themselves after remembering themselves, but at least they would have made it out of the lab.
Stop motion animation works SO GOOD to portray the robot movement! These days they always make a CGI robot movement as smooth as possible instead of being stiff and clanky like.. a robot.
This scene is grim and horrifying, but it's also hilarious because of the little upbeat fanfare they play when they come in. 😂 Also, the stop motion adds a certain weird surrealness to it which would be hard to recreate with other methods. BTW, when I was a kid, I remember watching a taped wrestling event my dad brought home (borrowed from a co-worker). It was Hulk Hogan vs Sgt Slaughter; Hogan's forehead was bleeding and Slaughter was digging his fingers in and I was thinking "is he trying to pull his skull cap off?! 👀💦" In retrospect, I think I was having unsettling flashbacks from Robocop 2. So yeah, probably not the best movie to show a small child. :P
@@ZombieSlayerN05The movie was mostly filmed in Dallas and id software is located north of there. It's cool the film crew used him for the animations.
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-"Sir, maybe it would be easier to just sell power armor to existing cops?"
-"Shut the hell up, Gary."
ah but you wouldnt have control then, would you?
Get your logic out of here and bring in the next bloody skull to attach to the robot!!!!
Or what if we try to use the robots in hospitals, dangerous jobs instead of police force, sir?
@@eva2602
Just put a lock down mod if they get uppity, also you can hand pick who gets a suit of power armor.
@@eva2602 Steve from product planning "We'll just put a remote shut down in it."
Gary "What if it gets hacked like ED209?"
Steve "Shut up Gary you're not helping here."
Gotta love OCP's policy of using live ammo during demonstrations XD
Because it worked so well in that ED-209 demo in the first movie. ;)
Personally think they used rubber bullets
@@technounionrepresentative4274
Nope, in the movie those are actual bullets.
Now in the real life recording of the movie, they didn't fire at all and just burst some blood packs underneath the actors clothing. XD
What could ever go wrong, right Jim? Jim?
Yep, because what could POSSIBLY go wrong loading a several ton prototype murder machine with live ammo during its first test run, LOL!
If I was a criminal and I saw skeletor take off his helmet I'd be reformed overnight.
DooM revenant momento numero dos
@@mosqit4324 Bro if I saw that Revenant headass I'd run the hell away, we all know those mfs shoot missiles
@@trashtrash756 to make it worse, they can fly now.
lmfao.
Nyeh heh hehe I am the jetpack demon Woosh Woosh! I fly 3 feet above the ground Lmao
This goes to show just how good Bob Morton's team were before his untimely accident.
The chassis they built was perfect, and they chose Murphy very carefully to ensure they had a subject with enough mental and spiritual fortitude to not take himself out.
When OCP themselves try it, they're truly offering the corporate version - low quality body, poor subject screening, cost cutting, cookie cutter facsimile. Bob's team really took pride in their work.
I wish the news was like this instead of what it actually is🤣🤣🤣
Quality vs quantity
@@kingsadvisor18 it is Quality cause it's original comedy at it's finest no of that regurgitated stuff other movies use that scene was new and fresh and it is comical a robot ripping it's head off and screaming is funny
Movie does not show any screening process about selecting the donor, but after that I agree. Morton's team used good materials to create impressive proof-of-concept and it worked. He made good product. Dick Jones' ED-209 was good business. They are not exactly same.
@@vksasdgaming9472 ED209 is a much better product. No human brain needed, easy to mass produce, requires a lot of upkeep (more money for spare parts). You just can't beat Dick Jone's experience in business)))))
This just proves that Alex Murphy was psychologically stable.
Yep, he's also Catholic, so he couldn't kill himself because that's a sin, this is canon
@@christophersmith8848 He have the willpower of a templar.
Hahaha!
There was more to than scene than meets the eye
They also made his form fairly human.
On these later prototypes it seems they decided to save a few bucks and forget about making them somewhat human.
As a kid/teen this was funny.
As an adult, makes me wonder if they were questioning their humanity before killing themselves.
That is expressly what they were doing, it's explained in the movie that, without their bodies, these guys lost their minds
That's the whole crux of the movie and the main character, Alex. I always thought there is this undercurrent of him asking himself if he's still human or even still a man.
This was nicely displayed when one of the bad guys kicks him in the crotch.
As someone put it, intelligent trash is hard to make.
@@jochenstacker7448 Agreed 100% I can't remember exactly why but there was a psychological profile done on Alex Murphy before he was transferred to The department wherein he was killed in the line of duty. I think Alex Murphy had such a powerful moral character and believed wholly in his purpose that he was able to overcome the madness that these 2 officers experienced. If I'm not mistaken. I think it's something the Dr Touches on before putting Kanes brain into Robocop 2
@@AllknowingUnknown Exactly right, she explains that Murphy has a STRONG sense of duty and that's what kept him alive. I always thought a fictional character like Spiderman or Batman could conceivably survive the cyberization process.
@@nurse425 You're probably right. Could you imagine a Robo-Batman with his whole body acting as his tool belt???
Imagine the balls of that guy to attend the next experiment.
I'm guessing the money had something to do with it 🤣
The third robot when he saw him said "fuck it" ....
He was a narcissist as Hell and firmly believed in his work. :-)
Probably a dream project
Lol, first time I've actually noticed that it's the same guy, but his arm in prosthetics standing there. Nice detail😂
Honestly, the fact they managed to make the second robot humorous at all is impressive.
I mean it's still horrifying, a human reduced to nothing but a bloody skeleton, that simply wants death.
But the scream and sound effects after it falls?
it surprisingly humorous at that rips it's own head off and screams that was a unique robot at that no has ever done a screaming robot that rips it's own head off🤣🤣🤣
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue i agree...i think, but you should take a class in grammar before posting.
@@TheLightBringerXI'm..sorry I offended you.
And maybe my last comment was a bit snarky. What I was trying say was, "I CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE WAY YOU TYPE. You have made so many grammatical errors your comment is literally incomprehensible to me. I'm sorry. Please improve your grammar so i can actually understand what you're trying to say."
I'm not asking for prefect grammar I'm asking for comprehensibility
I chat in discord and have used the internet for 5 years, I can understand below average grammar
but, agreed. have a wonderful week.
@@TheLightBringerX
@@TheLightBringerX ?????
accountability for what bro? You're ridiculous.
This makes the spartan-II program look genuinely humane
I’d rather get 20 Needles drilled into me injecting 6 different Supersoldier Chemical Formulas with the chance of permanent disfigurement all in order to fight an Alien Empire consisting of 8 different races numbering over the Trillions over getting turned into a Skeleton-turned-Cyborg and policing 1st World Countries. 😂
At least the pain is temporary in the case of a spartan. these two prototypes are just agony for life until they kill themselves
Yeah but the spartan program was like 2 generations of failures , 300 ish subjects were only a half survived and didnt last long and Hasley have like unlimited budget before the military cut it for the S-IIIIs
True that
@@orochinagis still, the Spartan 2s were absolute units compared to the following iterations. They were just built different.
I like how everyone in the room just saw literally each test subject kill themselves yet the only response they have is a slightly miffed face of oh dangit.
"Its a business" they'd say
You know what that tells you? This is not the first time they’ve done shit like this.
That's the message
They can kill many more until success. Those who died were simply a waste a time
It's just a glitch...
Just viewed them as products. Much like where corporations are today with us, the "little people".
The one that pulls its helmet off to reveal a living human skull with wires running into its eye sockets that lets out a scream of misery before he/she falls to the floor is morally horrifying.
All the robots are people... the last one is just more visually striking. The first one is probably worse...
@@Chris-es3wf
I don't know, both are equally horrific concepts.
They were grave robbing to conduct experiments just like Dr Frankenstein.
@Sam Beckett idk, if you listen to the scream of the lady the first cyborg killed and then you listen to the scream of the second cyborg, they kind of sound similar. Also the second cyborg is more sleek, maybe that means it’s a woman? Doesn’t make much sense though.
@@joshuaashton1929 I mean the lady did die and was replaced by a robot in the second scene
I would think they wouldn’t let a fresh corpse go to waste
What's really disturbing is just how quickly the second cyborg tore its own head off. As soon as he had the ability to move he immediately committed suicide, poor bastard didn't hesitate.
Another thing I really like is how in the RoboCaine showcase scene, despite it being the basic "grand presentation but something goes wrong" scene, its hella unique because technically nothing even manages to go right before shit hits the fans. Almost the very moment Caine appears everything goes wrong, even as you can see him extend his arm to the bottle of drug in the background.
@@aaronmccombs4966WHAT 🤡🤡🤡
I interpreted it as him trying to take his helmet off not realising that’s his face now
@@burntgrahamcracker2866 That's even more disturbing.
@@burntgrahamcracker2866that was a human?
As much as this scene was played for laughs, its genuinely sad and horrifying that the cyborgs consistently go insane and kill themselves when you turn them on.
I'm not really sure it was played for laughs, most people had the same shock reaction when the last one rips off his helmet
@jackthegamer That was a joke.
@@Arthur32O we only get a little crazy when we get *turned on*
@@isplat927 ah whatever i should geet going
I mean when you get cybernetics, you lose part of your humanity and if it's extreme amount or full body conversions, you basically have no sanity or humanity left in you which the term if you're unaware is Cyberpsychosis, that's basically what they went through but actually killed themselves rather than becoming machines or atleast that's what I think happens with this disorder.
Incredibly meta moment by the filmmakers literally trying to recreate "RoboCop" a second time and failing
This comment should be higher
Never understood why people hated the remake. It was ok.
@@justwannabehappy6735
When you are one of the most recognizable old-school gritty action movie and your remake is just... "okay", that's an insult in itself.
It should've been memorable and timeless, just like the original. Because that's why they REmade it right? How do you remake something that's weird, hilarious and straight up horrifying, to just be "okay".
That's like saying the Hobbit was okay, even though LoTR is the highest grossed/praised fantasy film of all time.
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Both for the failed remake that they had no way of predicting, AND their shitty sequels, it’s like they thought of everything!
Can’t believe the last one still had to capacity to scream, ghastly.
I thought we were going with full lung cybernetic functionality. Now lose the lungs.
I'm sure why it even needs the jawbone if they got rid of all the soft tissue. It wouldn't be able to eat like Murphy.
Char, what are you doing here? You're supposed to be demolishing the Earth Federation
Looks like a fnaf vhs
"My name is Spring, Springcop".
Damn I didn't know William Afton tried to pursue a career in law enforcement.
OK, this is an underrated comment.
I mean shit a frame in that scene is literally 1:1 with one of the 3rd game's stills
@fortimusprime on the contrary, it's too overrated as is. Keep this unfunny shit off of good movies please.
He was a security guard afterall
Well his soul is already bound to a robot. Why not?
Always loved how the plot of the film is
"We can't get a test subject with a strong enough will to adjust to the shock of the procedure, so let's stick the brain of a sociopathic druglord with a God complex in one of these things!"
"OH no, the sociopathic drug lord isn't following our directives" *shocked Pikachu face*
Well, also the sociopathic drug lord had no humanity left to lose. Reminds me of Adam Smasher from Cyberpunk. He coped with being fully borged out by not having any humanity to begin with.
@@Filterdeez I don't think they even gave Kane directives. In fact i think he wouldn't have understood them if they did because his mind was so ravaged by drug addiction and pain which was the only thing keeping him somewhat obedient.
Well….. they’re not building a toy after all 😂😂
@@CBRHurricane6 microphone dropped.
i really think biomechanical horror is incredibly underrated
theres just something about augmentation and robotics gone wrong that gives such a raw and primal fear and im surprised it hasnt been done more in actual horror movies
Agreed
All sinners think this way, until they've been introduced to the eternal power and grace of the omnisia.
Watch Season 4 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Not really primal fear but just horror
Tetsuo the Iron Man. The antagonist is called the metal fetish guy
The first time my adolescent brain discovered that nightmare fuel and hilariousness could happen all at once.
I remember the first time I saw RoboCop 1, that one part when they shoot up Murphy? Yeah, that scene watching as a kid, by the way was the first scene I ever saw in a movie that was hard-violence, yeah, fucked me up for some time afterwards.
I remember being in school for months after and while the teacher was going over the lessons all I could think about was that scene, just playing out in my head. I kept feeling so bad for the character.
Friggin great movie.
@@dsandoval9396 That scene shocked me too when I was young. I don't think any movie during that time or before had a killing that brutal short of chainsaw massacre. The sad part is that those kind of killings in movies today are a regular scene. Together with real life killings aired daily on the news I think it is hard to shock the young generation of today. Now they just try to top each other on who can do the most gory or gruesome killing.
@@lionelwhiskerknot That skull screaming really messed me up for a long time.
@@derlich09 I think the reason why such scenes are more harder to process for kids and young adults is because of the surreal look they have.
Modern day CGI looks almost completely realistic when done right, resulting in a better processing within the brain because of how similar it looks to normal memories and things we see.
@@dsandoval9396 never fucked me up but my first one was wrong turn
Love the absurd gruesome horror of 80s movies. You really don't want to think too deeply about the implications of this scene.
You do. It's one of the most important scenes in the movie.
Yes. Seriously.
Robocop 1 ended on an ambiguous note. Does Robocop thinks he's Alex James Murphy brought back to life or did it assume the identity of Murphy to cope with it's reality?
Notice how Robo never refers to himself or is refered to as Alex Murphy. Just Murphy. He even says that Alex Murphy is dead. We know it's Murphy's brain and face over all the metal. But does the cyborg think he's Alex Murphy? A modern Ship of Theseus.
This theme of Identity and Humanity is the core of the franchise.
So, why is this scene important? Because it shows these prototypes cannot cope with their new reality. The entire reason they gave Robocop Murphy's face was to give him an identity his brain could see itself as. Also to make him appear friendly to humans. The prototypes also lack the willpower Murphy had, that made OCP Crime Prevention Unit 001 a success.
So, the reason they decided to put the brain of a megalomaniac in control of overwhelming firepower was because they figured it would revel in the power affordee by it's cyborg body. And it was a drug addict they could control using drugs to reward it with a dose whenever it did something right. Like training a dog.
This movie is way deeper than leople realise. Still not as good as 1, but still brilliant. It's also a forced sequel that is a meta-commentary on forced sequels.
Oh I think about this kind of thing all of the time.
Like, what lengths am I willing to go to to continue to exist?
What kind of possible hells am I willing to risk, what kind of monster am I willing to become?
I fear death severely.
The thought of transferring my mind into a robotic body is very enticing.
However, I'm trying to write a sort of story that's a bit kinder in the approach.
Most of the characters are prone to keeping their original body, at least for a time, and their mind is both biological and machine in the same way you are both your conscious and subconscious mind.
80s movies were built different, now they would sooner "cancel" them for being to obscene, violent, inappropriate, or just not fitting a certain political narrative. Shame really
No, actually what to think about what happens to the lady scientist that is shot by the first cyborg. She isn't seen again, in human form, again, unlike the others shoot. They needed a new body for prototype two, and the second prototype looks smallish and kinda feminine if you take a close look...
@@AaronNorris-g3f Waste not, want not!
The last one might seem funny to you all, but to me it was truly one of the most morbid and dark things I had seen, it just reminded me of body horror, and the fact that the guy is infused with that metal body and his humanity is completely stripped from him. Notice how they all kill themselves immediately
Yes totally agree with you.
In childhood this scene was fun, I laughed,
now seeing this terrifies me, no body, no skin, you can't breath sometimes, can't wear it off, doesn't feel anything,
totally controlled by some corporation, and maybe can feel pain with electrical stimulation of some brain centers, this is so terrible, more I think about this...
"notice how they all kill themselves immediately"
I see someone watched the director's commentary. You really notice those small details on repeat viewings
Reminds me of the scene in the reboot when the doctor removes the cybernetics and armor from Murphy's body to show him that there is effectively nothing left of him without the cybernetics.
@@nurse425 his reaction to that was the stuff of nightmares
Those old ones looks more painfull. Cold metal.
I think an important factor in OCP's downswing in quality, was Bob Morton's death. Robocop Mk1 (Alex Murphy) was Bob's pet project, and he seemed to know what he was doing for all of it. He not only chose a test subject that was dead, he also wiped the subject's memories. After that he was careful to surround the project with friendly employees (they even invite the half-finished cyborg to a New Year's party).
I can only speculate how much worse these two had it during their transformations.
Fair points.
Ironic since Murphy's memories ultimately proved what made Robocop a true police officer.
@@XX-sp3tt Well, Murphy was only Brainbleached, not Mindwiped. He could recover his memories if given the right triggers or enough time.
That's kind of a meta-commentary by the sequel about itself
Thats what I loved about that character: he was a corporate sleezeball, but he wanted to make the *best* product he could.
Here is what I see with these failed prototypes:
- (0:11): Distinguished by its heavy armor and asymmetric hands (five-digited left hand and a three-digited right hand), it looks like it was originally meant to be specialized for defense, room-clearing, or EOD scenarios. It can use its stronger right hand to carry a shield or anything heavy, whereas its right hand was made for precision and delicate tasks (i.e. firearms, buttons. etc.). Such heavy armor and specialization had a more important task: protecting its 'user' (or 'test subject' for the sake of euphemism).
Judging by the remote/PDA in the scientist's hands, and as with all OCP cyborgs, this prototype was no different in that it was powered and controlled by a human brain; however, it appears that the 'test subject' was kept unconscious until the face shield was lifted. From what I can tell, it seems that this prototype relied on the unconscious brainwaves of its 'test subject'; a live test subject would have been too rebellious and dangerous, knowing that their becoming a cybernetic 'pet' of OCP. Unlike RoboCop (formerly 'Alex Murphy'), there was little to no regard for the range of locomotion, ergonomics, and comfort of its 'test subject' - it's literally encased in a tight armored box. Needless to say, once the 'test subject' awoke and realized what was happening and what it became, combined with a sudden bout of claustrophobia, it malfunctioned, stunned everyone (via non-lethal gunshot wounds), and killed itself.
This would have been a great defender-based cyborg, but OCP was too restrictive and controlling - it became nothing more than a glorified RC robot.
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- (0:41): Distinguished by its skinny physique and limbs, this prototype's design had balance and maneuverability in mind. Whereas the first prototype and RoboCop were slow and lumbering tanks, this second prototype was like an armored jeep; it's lighter, faster, narrower, and sleek. Unfortunately, in order to cut down on weight and bulk as much as possible, the design removed as much flesh as possible (except for the brain, nerve system, cardiovascular system, and respiratory system).
Needless to say, there is nothing left by bones and vital organs (all kept in the torso, spine, and skull). As long as this prototype didn't remove its armor or protective casings, this perhaps had the most 'friendliest' appearance of all the OCP cyborgs. Sadly, the 'test subject' underneath was in constant pain and misery; the only way to express his discomfort was to cry for help. To do so, he needed to remove his helmet to talk; however, taking off his helmet severed the connections between his brain and every cybernetic system, subsequently shutting them down and, well, killing him.
Holy
We can see in the last one that the wires get cutted
In both cases, the obsessive need for control ruined the whole deal. Basically, Murphy's independent streak offended, despite his defiance of Directive 4 literally saving the CEO's life. This only becomes more evident with the company then adding many conflicting Directives to both control and sideline Murphy.
Great writing my man
I absolutely love this
A lot of what made the original Robocop model successful was the person they put in the machine: Alex Murphy. His devotion to law and order gave him a reason to live, regardless of whether or not OCP programmed him to uphold it. Furthermore, his religious upbringing instilled in him suicide as not an option, giving him another reason to persevere through his circumstances.
I think what also helped Murphy not commit suicide was how the original Robocop body was designed to resemble a human in a massive bodysuit. It was actually revealed that Murphy’s face was put on Robocop’s metal skull because while his memory was erased, his brain would still remember being human, and would break if it saw itself with a metal face in a mirror. With the Robocop 2 prototypes, each one looked increasingly less human and more robotic, with disproportionate features and clear mechanical components, culminating with the behemoth known as RoboCain.
I just now realized the first robot man was screaming behind the glass. He wasn't speaking through the voice, he was just screaming. He then shot 2 people then himself. That is.....oof....that's worse than the skullbot after....
Holy shit you're right. That's... probably why they had a visor to fold down in front of it.
I've never noticed that before and holy shit that's fucking horrifying
that's just more gruesome to know.
With the flickering light I thought he was getting electrocuted.
Gruesome
Robocop has this huge subtext of "what makes you a person" or "what makes you, you".
Is Alex still alive? Is he still the same person? Is he even a man?
To put this kind of existential struggle into what could have been a trashy B movie, is truly art.
As someone once said "intelligent trash is incredibly hard to make"
It ties in with the Ship of Theseus question:
"In the metaphysics of identity, the ship of Theseus is a thought experiment that raises the question of whether an object that has had all of its components replaced remains fundamentally the same object." it applies to Man too
it reminds me of Alan Moore's take on Swamp Thing. He wasn't a man who became a plant. He was a plant who became a man.
It's still up in the air if Robocop actually _is_ Alex Murphy or if his memories were simply absorbed into the AI.
Trigger’s Broom
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@@TheOneAndOnlySame simple answer is: no. Every object has to have central (core) thing to make it this object
that skull dude scared the shit out of me as a kid. I seemed to remember him laughing while looking around once or twice though. Guess I was wrong. He's also not nearly as scary as I remember.
Not me. When I was a kid and watched this with my younger brother we both burst laughing at the scene. I still laugh to this day whenever I see this.
@@spino-tinodon1146 wow youre the best. Much wow
I remember hearing that it's speculated that the skull dude was actually the woman who got shot seconds earlier in that scene.
@@cooltrainervaultboy-39 Good point.
I also remember it looking around a bit before suicide
0:51 Springtrap after take off the suit
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
English?
That scene gave me the chills back then. 😅
I always come back
Im a grown man and that last one still scares me more than most body horror ive seen. Its just so perfectly unnerving and tragic
At first it was a little creepy for me but now I just giggle at it, the scream as it falls over and you hear parts go rolling away like they are hubcaps off a car just strikes me as hilarious.
Now you my friend, should look into FNAF
@@Prangers2012bruh
@@xtcyrafa did I ask you?
@@Prangers2012 You're right! Five nights at freddys has this same kind of horror, especially with springtrap having a rotting body inside of it
Honestly the first one is more terrifying for me. Something about the metal face shield clamping down and sealing the man into his agony is horrifying.
yeah that's some warhammer 40k shit
@@stefanschmidt5186 dreadnought?))) 💀
@@alexarmstrong9915 arcoflagellants
the first one looks like a dreadnought mixed with a super battle droid too :D
The last one does it for me, just the way it’s trying to peel it off it’s helmet, screaming in pain. It’s clear it doesn’t want to be there, and it was forced into this
The psychological/body horror aspect is so underrated. Those scientists really have no idea the level of suffering going on underneath all the metal and wires.
That's too nerdy for most people to understand
Dude, a woman got shot and they didn't really bat an eye. A dude got shot and he was presenting another murder machine. They clearly do know, but don't care
Unrelated, but in Prototype, a video game about creating viruses for the 'greater good' of America such as making certain racial types get sick and die easily or creating supersoldiers capable of wiping out an entire state in three weeks. Scientists in the game do know how atrocious their job is to humanity, but they do it anyway. When a reporter ask them how they feel, they simply say they "Aren't paid to feel."
“… nor do they *care.”*
Extreme dehumanization is invariably *horrible* for the one being objectified.
Only thing similar (as to quality, if not quantity) I can think of, in real life, is when you’re born with what used to be called “birth defects” and they try to “fix” you.
In the past - say, 60 years ago - you were seen as an *object,* an *experiment* - and you were supposed to not bother your *NORMAL* betters when you endured things then that give you PTSD *today.*
Yup, six decades and counting of flashbacks. Only being one of Mengele’s twins would have been clearly worse.
I always imagined it to be phantom limb which people say is one of the most painful things they have felt but all over the body as the natural receptors freak out after not getting the right signal back from every inch of your body
You have to admire what they were being able to make with stop motion animation before CG was widely available.
wouldn't be stop motion if most of it was cgi. and they had access to cgi. just wasn't good at the time lol.
🤓 @@pacboygamer6728
it was made by same guy who animated at-at's in star wars btw
ED209 is the greatest comic relief robot ever made
He has enough firepower to turn a person into bloody mincemeat...yet he's powerless against stairs and getting his foot stuck in a manhole XD
It's pretty realistic too. Computers aiming weapons is actually pretty easy but teaching computers to walk is tough.
ED209 is a piss take on American consumer products, it's basically a SUV on legs.
Engineering fuck-ups.... make a robot meant to patrol the streets, but it's too heavy, breaks through the road surface, and can't extract itself. Robot meant for urban environments, but can't climb a standard staircase. The stairs thing may be a callback to the original appearance of the Daleks in Dr. Who, they couldn't climb stairs either.
Finally a weapon to surpass Metal Gear. Shit Infrastructure.
He’s an Americanized Dalek…
I know this should be a joke, but I can't imagine the pain a person would feel if they had their muscles wiped out and turned into metal mechanism and their skull were just out there
stop or I'll shoot shoot himself in head after killing innocent people look's like directive 4 could use some work 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
is should be zero.
but if for some reason its non-zero, then its just as likely infinite pain as mild pain. or its some new definition of pain, like ghost limb but for literally everything, and all consuming
anyway, this was both a fun and disturbing thought experiment, that as someone interested in trans-humanism - i somewhat regret taking on
Or Caine's brain watching what they did and have his skull in their hands
*William Afton joined the chat*
@@davet80000 they better remove that portion of your brain that perceives pain or you will live in a steel and decayed uranium hell.
One thing I always loved about the Robocop movies was the corporate indifference to any actual human suffering. Like instead of being shocked by an innocent board member getting shot a 1000 times in the first Robocop or two scientists being murdered in this clip, it's more of "I'm disappointed that the design didn't work," not how they witnessed multiple human deaths.
OCP was a warning about the ultimately cruel nature of corporations. OCP cares about as little about human life as Amazon and Disney, they just don't bother hiding it.
The one who got shot in the arm actually survived; look in the next scene, he's the one with a bandage over his arm.
@@aughmanway to miss the point
RoboCob is satire, tbf.
@@Panimal98 Is it really?
The first one, as soon as he shorted out the program and gained full control over the metal chassis, shot the two scientists for trapping him in the mechanical hell and then opted out completely. The second one was denied a gun but still tore off all the telemetry and life support systems. Both of them were human minds trying to escape out of the metal bondage.
"You did this to me, now you're going to pay!" instead came out as "Stop, or I'll shoot."
I love how they would just give a gun to anything that moves. Instead of like oh yeah maybe we should give it blanks
They need more victims for other robot projects lol
OCP official guidelines state that live ammo is to be used in all test conditions and demonstrations :P
They could tey using blanks.... But then the armorer could accidentally have live rounds present and the producer lead actor could not take personal responsibility and check the wheapon and then they could be to stupid to shoot into a mirror instead of directly at the camera crew and be too cheap to use a remote pan tilt and follow focus system. Most bad situations in life come from a bad series of decisions and foolish actions.
It’s the US, we debate giving guns to school kids to protect them from mass shooters. I’m amazed they only give them one gun.
At that range, even blanks would be as destructive as a real bullet
"note to self: make sure helmet is non-removable on next version."
That's exactly how OCP thinks.
note to self add directive 34 do not kill innocent people or yourself to the robots directives list
@@raven4k998 But, were the scientist and personnel present at the demo when it was filmed... like... truly innocent?
You know how it is, the good old "just following orders" spiel
@@Varengard what are you talking about who ordered the ed 290 to not hear or see the gun drop and shoot anyway? think about it robocop can figure something like that out pretty easy why can't 209 it's 10 times larger then robocop there's more then enough room inside and at least the same amount of processing power it had to be a mole trying to take down OCP from the inside that would explain why 209 sounds like a pig when it flips onto it's back why it kills for the hell of it so on and so forth
*rips whole head off*
Love the fact that OCP doesn't care about human life. Psychopaths all working in one company
I bet GlaDos would've loved that place. To be fair she'd probably kill all the staff there too eventually.
For starters, don't the family members of the test subjects *object* to this mutilation of their kin? Holy Moly!
More like functional sociopaths.
They don't care who they hurt as long as their project continues.
Psychopath would want to kill everyone
Hilariously incompetent psychopaths to boot. Seriously, why do they keep giving the robots ammunition for demonstrations?
@@edwardgaines6561 they don't have a say. Through a verity of red tape and legal docs the test subjects at one point or another signed away such rights to OCP.
0:17 B-2 Super Battle Droid, good luck telling me otherwise
Super battle Droid, if the seprotest where cops.
It even sounds like one
@@Arballsta Does that make the 2nd one the regular battle Droid?
I am 100% with you
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who thought this looked like a super battle droid 😂 makes me wonder if George Lucas saw this a took inspiration 😭
Scientist: _"Live ammunition again... Are you sure?"_
Critical Drinker: _"Ah! It'll be fine."_
$90,000,000.....
Yur comment needs likevway mur likes yea'...👍👍
Now go away
"Why don't they learn that giving the prototypes live ammunition is a bad idea? Don't know."
What, does the Critical Drinker run OCP now?
Never understood why they gave them live rounds when in testing phase. Got to love OCP and their expendable workforce.
No morality, no ethics.
Didn’t learn from mr Kenny 😖🤷🏽😂
@@CBRHurricane6 Honestly You'd think they test to see if the robot was mentally stable first
It's kinda the point, but yes it's dumb
(Joking) In another timeline, they were in charge of Earth's military and went on to send hundreds of thousands of unprepared soldiers to a planet filled with violent sapient insectoids armed with barely anything more than automatic rifles and a few grenades most of the time and next to no intel. Would You Like To Know More?
One of my favorite quotes from Peter Weller, the actor for Robocop has to do with the message of the movie. While many just saw it as a sci-fi action movie in the 80's, he said that he was captivated by the fact it was "A horrific movie about not the parts of a machine being inside of a human, but the parts of a human being inside a machine
I love how ed 209 sounds like a stuck pig that's getting murdered the moment it encounters any trouble at all🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Perfect way to sum it up.
That is an actor who understands the character he's playing. It's no wonder he was so good at it.
0:29 dude slides down and sneaks out and just nopes the hell out of that situation 🤣🤣🤣
REALLY wish they had done a few more just to drive home how dark it must be to be in the OCP R&D division.
I think they got their point across with just 2
Yeah, we have one which realized it’s a head in a jar, one which didn’t know what he became and removes his helmet only to realized that he’s just a skull with brains.... a very bloody one at and and the other one.... he has a god complex so there’s that
We also got a tank with legs that struggles to get out of a pothole so there's that
@@Cairo40000 and also fails at stairs
Economy of comedy, the same reasons you don't have jokes where 12 different kinds of people walk into a bar, always just two or three.
After many months of breaking my head about those two robots, I think I finally figured out why they trigger us on such a deep level of irritation and uncomfotablility.
Both are perfect examples of a human soul being TRAPPED. The first one is hidden behind plates of armor and even the simulated face is trapped in a small and bulky screen and covered by some sort of an electronic installation. Second one is just a slowly rotting skull they pro forma forced into a metal hull that might feel more like a prison cell than a body.
No wonder both went nuts at the very second they were activated. Imagine waking up and being trapped in your children's doll's body while someone you don't even know controls your every step via programming or remote. How would you NOT want to commit suicide, then?
BTW: I think it isn't even a malfunction that the first robot tries to put everybody there under arrest - they must have broken pretty much every rule that defines our living as individuals respecting each other and the brain of a dead cop would logically see through this injustices and try to stop it. The inconsistency between the morale values and the action observed would brake the sanest human's mind, let alone that one of a robot that isn't even aware of the situation on the whole scale.
Seriously! No horror movie could ever made me feel so uneasy, disturbed and uncomfortable like Robocop did! The whole idea of have your conscious trapped inside a metal body while you still have emotions and memories of your normal life is diabolical! The scene where Murphy stalks his ex-wife and reminds his life with her when he was human always makes me feel depressed.
Agreed! It makes me Feel Disturbed and uneasy but I can’t stop replaying it
Ok
The last robot reminds me of William aftons spring lock failure
0:26 stop or I’ll shoot **proceeds to shoot**
Imagine answering the sight of several tortured souls trapped in a mechanical body with a facepalm
welcome to Fnaf
0:52
Yep
Least sociopathic capitalist
When I was younger, the shrieking skull was scarier because it's so up-front and visceral, but watching this again as an adult... I honestly think the first one that shoots the scientists and then itself is worse, just because of how haunting the implications are:
1. The projection of the guy's face starts off with lidded eyes and a gaping mouth, and when the visor flips up, he suddenly blinks and glances around, like he just woke up.
2. He seems to have some sort of tube in his left nostril. I initially assumed that the thin bar above his lip was connected to that and was administering oxygen to him, but when he moves his head, only the nostril tube moves. The horizontal bar does not. This, plus the fact that it looks kind of shiny, suggests that it isn't a medical item, but rather some sort of support structure holding his head in place.
3. He CAN move his head at all.
4. As soon as he sees the scientists to his right (or perhaps the audience), he starts screaming.
5. Once the screaming starts, his face-screen starts flickering and smoking, like he's being electrocuted.
6. When he pulls out his gun, he shoots 2 of the scientists first, then himself.
Put together, this 15-second scene paints a horrifying backstory. At *best,* this guy has had some portion of his upper body - possibly his head, heart, lungs, and maybe some small part of his digestive system - stuffed inside of that metal chassis and locked in place. At worst, it's as little as just his head (and possibly lungs) lopped off and hooked up to a crude life support system like those Soviet experiments with decapitated dogs from the 1940's.
If it's the former, he's likely under heavy sedation to minimize pain and maintain basic compliance.
If it's the latter, he's genuinely barely alive, probably in a horrible fever dream-like mix of agonizing pain and being barely coherent from his brain receiving the bare minimum to live and outputting constant adrenaline and cortisol.
Either way, he immediately starts to glitch out, possibly due to some sort of hardware issue. However, contrary to what Hollywood tells you, machines don't just start to spark and smoke when they begin chugging or get caught up in some sort of loop behavior. It's more likely, I think, that the electrical flashes are signs of some sort of pain compliance system - likely a backup to the sedatives and analgesics to get him to do what his programming says to. The drugs are the carrot, and the electroshock system is the stick. That, I think, is why he shoots the scientists first. If he was just depressed or horrified over his current state, he'd just have shot himself. His screaming may have started off as terror or trying to call for help, but as soon as the shock treatment started, his fear gave way to anger. He was, for the moment, lucid enough to know what was happening - and he capitalized on it.
The worst part, though, is that he might have survived. If you compare the spot where he shot himself in the head to the equivalent spot on a human body, it is *way* too far forward and too high to be a guaranteed kill shot. That was a shot to the front of the cerebrum, which is the power center for memories, personality, and certain learned behaviors. The fact that the robot just lurched forward and didn't fall over entirely also implies that the damage he inflicted on himself wasn't critical. He might not have done anything that day except LOBOTOMIZE himself and piss off the scientist that keeps him alive and maintained by shooting him in the arm and killing his coworker/love interest.
There's a non-zero chance that TV-face guy is locked up in OCP's basement somewhere, in a dark room, stripped of his weapons and mobility, hanging from suspension chains and hooked to a full-scale hospital life support system, brain-damaged but alive, and possibly even still conscious.
Alone, in silence, in the dark, all sensory input either reduced to the bare minimum or no longer functional at all.
For 35 years.
He has a mouth, and he can scream.
But nobody can hear him.
Dark
Nice! Like it a lot
There's a theory around that the person who got shot in the first test was used as the second subject
Jesus that's dark
Doesn't make much sense to me, these are indeed prototypes but it'd be useless to experiment using anything but what you'll be working with (namely cops) for the final models. And as we saw, mindset was everything when it came to having a working man-robot interface. So I'd say, unless she was a cop (I doubt that), she wasn't part of any such experiment.
@@shinkiro403 I'd say it was still possible they used her body for it, but it was just a prototype.
The woman? No. That scream doesn’t sound like that of a woman.
@@MisterJohnDoe Probably the robot thingy on the left was the woman.
This part always fascinated me. These failed attempts to combine the human body and conscience with machines and the suffering it provoques.
A ghost within a machine if you will
It always gets me that they just replace the shot scientist with a robot XD
And the other one has his arm in a sking from where he was shot.
You are not putting that brain into my robot
It's over qualified to begin with.
Or that Johnson just plays dead and scurries away.
@@discoder Nice of the actor to have avoided the blood packs. I hear those things hurt! Obviously nothing like really being shot, but still leaves a bruise.
That robot is the scientist woman.
few movies mix dark humor when a even darker plot. Robocop 1 is trully an obscure masterpiece
What are you talking about? It's in absolutely no way obscure
@@Business_Skeleton dark obscure. learn the difference scrub
Robot 1: “Wait, where am I! HELP!!!”
Robot 2: “Ok, I’ll just take off my helmet as a sign of respect, no big deal. OH GOD I REGRET THIS!!!”
Thank you for the heart!
Wtf went wrong?
Bro was just being a gentleman😢
@@Chriswill9408 I don't know bud.....I just....just don't know
They're cyborgs, not robots...
Jfc.
the last robot scared me in my childhood.
Seriously? At the time I watched, they voiced his scream, so it wasn't so scary, but the original version of the scream is more tense🤔
Hooray for kids watching R-rated movies!
I had the opposite reaction from you. I was laughing my ass off
@@garethwyatt5469 Are you a psychopath?
@@LG123ABC I had a fucked up childhood
It's a great scene because it's the essence of the absurd. A big company that literally makes everything (Omni), but failed to create a proper partner for the original Robocop, because that guy had a stable psyche based on his love for his family and the line of duty. It was explained later by Dr. Faxx.
and the only experiment that worked was a nuke addicted psychopath
What they don't explain is why they didn't use an exact replica of robocop's chassis and just try another brain.
@@BoopSnoot because the first one can disobey them. They want the same quality but something that is completely obedient to them. Hence why these are even more robotic then robocop
@@claytondavis6835 I wonder if that's a big part of why they keep failing, the paradox of being programmed to "uphold the law" while also have the programming "you can't arrest any OCP despite them being some of the worst criminals" so they just meltdown and kill themselves
@@Sideway8 I imagine it was more using a human brain and messing with it too much. Robocop was probably as far as they can go with it. Anything beyond that and the brain and person can’t really handle it
All these decades later it's still a mystery as to why OCP would ever place an intact human skull inside a robot. No doubt, id Software's DooM's flying screaming skulls just a few years later in 1993, was inspired by that.
It was actually the same artist who made them
Probably because Is more complicated to move AN entire brain in a artificial Chamber with no damage ,than Just leave It there and connect everything else from the Cortex start in a already present,rigid support( bone of the skull )
I've always loved this scene as a kid, scary and funny at the same time which is something that seems so difficult to achieve. Robocop 1 and 2 were freaking awesome
I found it really funny, but after reading some theories about whats going on I'm completely freaked out
@@Stribog1337 Go on. Share those theories.
@Misanthropic Toadstool They've got a Gir PFP in 2023, I can confirm they are likely a mid to late 20's millennial adult LOL
@Misanthropic Toadstool
It's said by adults who don't want to get fired, account banned, or have their show (radio or TV) taken off the air.
@@ehenyorcome up with your own theories, it's always better that way.
That's creepy.
Like when you awake as a zombie controlled by an necromancer and in an last ditch effort you managed to kill 2 of them and finally yourself.
An apt analogy.
well technically he only killed that lady, the other guy just got shot in the arm, you can see him with the bag strap thing they put on fucked up arms in the next shot
Its understandable. Imamgine you finally go in the after life and you're dragged down to earth to be a zombie. Ill kill my self if that happen
Kind of realized that the giant mech that robocop wasn't fully thought out when it killed a few people, couldn't walk down a flight of stairs, and is too heavy for standard roads. How they managed to get it to the top of a building remains a mystery.
Someone should do a little animation of their difficulties in getting them up there. Like crashing through several floors, failed elevators and crane accidents. Then theres the ones that crash through the windows because of no vertical depth perception.
Wasn't even cost effective.
Freight elevator.
A corporation making a poorly designed money sink, then releasing anyways the broken child of focus testing and greed to get some money back, as opposed to scrapping the mess and NOT tarnishing brand recognition? Nope, not seeing any parallels here. You guys want to play some AAA “lIvE sErViCe” video game slop? After all, a consumer wouldn’t exist without C O N S U M E
helicopters
I still cant believe my parents were cool with us watching this kind of movie as kids, times have changed. This scene hits differently when just watching it solo like this.
0:49 The helmet removal and the screaming were terrifying, but the way he just fell over makes me giggle.
Not to mention the buckets clanging cartoonishly when it fell over
that scream just makes me laugh uncontrollably, it's so goofy and cartoonish.
Bro being spring trap
I think that second one is a she
@@H1gh5_Scientifically Accurate Springtrap
It never occurred to me that the second cyborg might be the woman who got shot in the first scene. I don't know if that was what they really meant by that, but if it was, that makes it even more disturbing.
On the second watch, I noticed a robot standing where the shot woman was. Take of that what you will.
Yea. Plus the voice in that first scene was not the person talking, it seems to be pre-recorded. As the metal visor clamps Down you see the guy's face in agony.
At least I know I wasnt the only one who thought of that
I get we all want to seem clever and float these theories but there’s absolutely no evidence to support that claim. She wasn’t confirmed dead. Not to mention their test subjects are all police officers..
I VERY much doubt she was the skull bot.
Simple reason why. As well as killing her, the first robot also ran a bullet through the arm of the other scientist.
That shot scientist appears with the skull-bot, wearing the type of sling you would put on someone with a recent injury.
Turning the dead scientist into a robot would take months (going by how long it took to turn Murphy into Robocop)
By then, the scientist with the shot arm would have recovered sufficiently to either not need a sling (if it was a non-fracture injury) or have a full cast on the arm (if bone was fractured). A more serious injury would have resulted in the arm getting sawn off or replaced by a prosthetic.
The first one was a whole head in a robot body but the second one was a screaming skull in a robot body
I see... you have eyes, interesting
DooM revenant
@@rcd20yearsago48
Always handy!
That's for all you blind people watching out there.
The first one started to scream on the video screen
Maybe the real problem is that they kept putting stuff on their head. Murphy had his face mostly intact, though you can tell they basically just peeled his face off and stretched it over a metal skull.
True yet the reason they did that was so that Murphy could still relate to himself despite not having a Human body anymore, you'd think they would have figured that out.
I know that this dudes are alive because only a human being could prefer to be dead than to be a twisted slave
Man, this still holds up. It's the peak intersection of horror and comedy.
yeah rips own head of I love that one so much😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
0:32 The way the gunshot flashes and resonates inside the helmet as the dude blows his brains out is frankly chilling...
No matter how many times I click on your time stamp, and try to comprehend what you are saying while also seeing it happen on screen, I just instantly forget your point as soon as the trigger is pulled. ADHD sucks
@@Chris_no_father_figure I think what he means is that when the robot shoots itself, it's finally ending its own suffering
@@filthydoot3880 No I got that, I just instantly forget every time it happens on screen.
@Filthy Doot nah he's talking about how good the effect looks
@@JohnSmith19282 both
0:50 springtrap
Okay that's funny
@@Usa_Viper i always come back
Before he makes popular
Ultrakill reference
@@christopherrivera7532thats from fnaf not ultrakill
0:45 Me after an 8 hour session in VR.
Lol 🤣
It looks like springtrap
@@paperlabarts6042 Huh. Neat.
@@paperlabarts6042 no it's robot what part of it is trap?
@@berikkalimz4195 I dont know if your joking but springtrap is a character from a videogame
Stopmotion and claymation are 2 video artforms that still to this day look so badass
Harryhausen. Love that stuff.
There's something truly terrifying about stop motion cyborgs onscreen. It all sort of feels physical enough to believe that it's in the same space as everything surrounding it, but surreal enough to put you on edge.
Yeah
@@timchorzempa6637 It might be the sudden jerky motion that makes it extra scary.
@@RedSntDK Exactly. It's not Smooth like Walking and yet it still feels Physical. We don't see such Jerky Motion in Real life so it is off Putting.
Meanwhile, in the Adeptus Mechanicus:
Laughs in binary
I thought the Adeptus Mechanicus didn't convert people all at once. They do it in stages so the individual can get used to it before continuing to have more stuff replaced.
@@JMcMillen For magos maybe, but servitors can be converted in one go.
@@1Maklak True, but servitors are only left with enough brains to do whatever job they were built for. They don't have the cognitive function to understand what has happened to them, or pretty much anything beyond their programmed task.
Belisarius Cawl approves.
It's amazing how much comedy they were able to inject into something so existentially horrifying.
You can either cry about the horrors of the world and existence, and given them more power, or you can laugh and take a little bitty bit of the power back.
The dark comedy is what made Robocop so successful. That's what the 2014 movie didn't understand.
the 2014 movie was for the snowflake generation, not the true stoic gen x
RoboCop 2014 was directed by José Padilha, a stupid brazilian director. I'm brazilian and hate this fricking guy!
@@felipe636 People that base their self-esteem on how they were born (race, generation, so forth), instead of what they have done, are scum.
This scene proves that Robocop was literally one of a kind, and he could not be so easily replicated. Robocop’s creator, Bob Morton, understood cybernetics, which is why the Robocop program succeeded in the first place. After Bob was murdered by Clarence Boddicker in the first movie, OCP no longer had anyone knowledgeable enough in their R&D department to create a second Robocop successfully (as seen in the above clip). This is what I’ve always believed after seeing this scene.
The real hidden message was that lightning doesn't strike the same place twice.
The sequel, also dubbed as "RoboCop 2," can't compare to the original creation.
That's why they call the movie RoboCop 2, not because it's a sequel, but because Caine is the title character..RoboCop 2.
All worth it for the 'bitches leave' scene.
I know they got the point across with the examples they showed but i could watch failed robocops forever
I feel like it should be an extended skit in Robot Chicken or something.
@@qui3tstorm793 right
Would enjoy seeing more failed Robocops!!!
Sometimes I don’t know how OCP stay in business when it seems like the original robocop is the only thing they’ve made that actually works and doesn’t cause problems for everyone
They have very good spin teams
Well that's just it, OCP sells just about everything (hence the name 'All Things' Consumer Products), so they make tons of cash from everyday essentials people buy. I guess a real life equivalent would be Amazon. So Rings of Power is pathetic and failed miserably, but Amazon thrives on because of other sectors involved in.
The thing that freaked me out the most in this movie was seeing Cain's living brain in a jar _with his eyes still attached!_
It just never occurred to me how, in your skull, your eyes are right in front of your brain like that!
Your retina is the only part of your central nervous system visible to the outside world. When you look deep into your eyes, you're seeing your own brain tissue. Have fun.
But yeah, seeing that as a kid gave me my first feelings of existential dread.
Big irony: the part of your responsible for sight is at the BACK of your brain!
Yeah, that's what *you* really look like, outside of the biological machine you ride around inside.
There's a scene like that in Metal Gear Rising with kid brains. Always disturbed me.
Pretty much. It's nothing but brain, with two eyes floating and connected with soft gelitanous membrane and nervous tissue held together by a bone chassis. The human body is a biomechanical horror show, and we fap to it.
That final one has haunted me for decades. That such an existential horror could be passed off for laughs makes it all the more terrifying. O.o
well it should it's a corpse I mean look at murphy his head still had flesh on it that one it a slimey skull
the problem with failed robots was they found out they where contractually obliged to star in robocop 3
I love the detail of the scientist's arm in the sling during the second presentation hahaha.
My friends found this hilarious and I disliked horror and dark things until I was 20. Others made fun of me becuse of it, Im scaredy cat - it wasnt fear, I just had more empathy than they did. Even thought I can now appreciate the art of older movies, I have still shivers while watching it.
thats what fear is
It's ok. I don't like dark themes either and it's ok to be scared. I think we're the type of people that don't really have a mental barrier between fiction and reality. Even gross depictions of fictions can get us to react as if it's really happening in reality
@@newprojects7847 I think its more about being too smart for your own good, i realized in my 20s the whole reason i am scared of stuff like this is because if someone can think about it or make it a movie, then chances are it has already happened in real life.
I think we are just those few cursed ones that actually know how evil people can get....
Its a blessing to live and think nothing like this will ever happen.
I love that the second movie went out of its way to address the fact that the reason there's not an army of robocops running around is because Murphy was the only one mentally strong enough and with the fucking balls to survive the process love this movie
the remake does show the solution. paralyzed or otherwise body non functional people
@@toomanyaccountsIt was good idea film failed to make use of.
Another part was due to his devout chatolic belief that suicide was an unforgivable sin, he pretty much couldn't go down this path like these two did. Another part at least for the second one, there is a reason why they put his face on the metalic cranium. Even with their memories supressed, they would remeber that they were once humans and needed their faces to not go mad.
Kai nwas already mad so for him it was a different story,
And that bobs team was actually doing something because they could, not because they only wanted to
I don't think he has "balls" anymore...
I like how the second model Robocop 2 has a helmet that’s several times less secure than Murphy’s visor (which is held in place by two large bolts) even though removing the helmet will kill it.
Budget cuts maybe ?
You now with the other robocops robats
Was cool to see the second prototype being the basis for the UEDs in RoboCop: Rogue City. Shows that OCP never learns from their mistakes; the design was clearly a failure, but Becker went, "take the men out of those machines, and you get a pretty cool robot. But I like the second one the best. Tech team, draw up a blueprint, minus the skull!"
I was a weird kid and understood that they couldn't live on as monstrosities so they took their own lives 😅 maybe it's because me and my dad would watch stuff together and he would explain stuff to me 😄 happy father's day 😁
Do you have a father?
@@mspt13 aye he's now my drinking buddy 😁
the older u get , the more this scene resonates, what does it mean to lose ur humanity and at what cost ? true u get power and immortality and transcend the boundaries of being a human , but living as an eternal puppet for a company like OCP might be a bit too much to pay.....still, it is a deep question and the reason why they cyborgs refused to live like this, Robocop was driven by revenge and then learned to stay a cyborg for the greater good , these were normal humans and i think they mentioned they had huge egos and seeing themselves as half baked cyborgs made them choose death under their own terms, not to mention, the first one died with 1 bullet and the other just removed a helmet, robocop needed a power tool in a specific place to hurt him and despite being shot many times, and cut to pieces, he lived....but what is the tech or his desire to live and get revenge ?
all of that. but the story boils down to: the people in power want their police to be as little human as humanly possible.
Although people complain about the reboot of robocop. It really does go more into the topic of your comment. If you're not constantly comparing the reboot to the original, it's actually a real good movie.
well, not he will need to get constant super penicillin shoots to keep infections away of his biological tissue, not sure that can be called immortality.
0:47 me after taking my VR headset 300 hours in
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0:59 so that’s how the spring lock failure felt
I love how the lights on that first prototype go on after it slumps over.
This ua-cam.com/video/Ui-xsWZq4fk/v-deo.html .
Fun fact, there was a comic book adaptation of Robocop 2. In it the second prototype still has his face and looks similar to Murphy's design. Also doesn't take his helmet off, he just straight up rips his head off.
Ouch
My dad let me watch robocop 2 when i was 6. Apparently i thought the last robot was so funny I would just randomly screech like him and fal forward for months after that. Great times, my mom still hates my dad for that hahaha
I watched robocop when I was 7. People wernt as picky about those stupid numbers they put on films back then........
I watched Robocop with my mom when I was 8
I never watched the movie but shit i definitely would fucking laugh my ass off noticing the similarities between this dude and the revenant from DooM
@@mosqit4324 You do realize the guy who did the robot special effects in Robocop 1 and 2 was the same guy who designed the Doom revenant?
@@Debbiebabe69 OH MY GOD
They didn't learn their lesson the first time. They gave them live rounds for a simple presentation!
I was 17 when this movie was new. few things in life can be described by me as mortifying. This is one of those few things. I completely wrapped my imagination around this scene and i was sickened, terrified, depressed, and i really felt the pain those cyborgs must have felt. It affected me on a visceral level.
The ceo just facepalming every time without fail gets me every time.
He's very disappointed.
Lol, just only waste $2 million...🙄
First he failed with his Silver Shamrock ploy, now this. Whatever will he do??
I was just gonna say that too, Epic facepalm
@@generator5500w pretty sure he said 90 million
I remember RoboCop 2 not getting very good reviews back in the day, but it’s actually a pretty damn good movie.
It really is. But It does go back on some of Murphy's growth from the first movie but I think it's biggest problem was how mean spirited the whole movie was. I loved it but it was a little too...dark. The first one was dark too but it had an underlying feeling of hopefulness. The second was the complete opposite.
@@andrewvincent7299 the second one had some stuff cut that if in would have made it better. for instance Murphy has his face pulled off confirming that the face was a rubber facsimile hence why his wife has the reaction she had upon touching him
Don't know what the ppl said exactly, but I agree in terms of sequel robo 2 did not introduce much, its a drug story all over, with another freak being bad, at least first one had a top notch cast there
Yep and even though the soundtrack was seemingly phoned in, unlike Basil's excellent score for R1 and R3, the soundtrack has become quite memorable decades later.
A very damn good movie
An overlooked detail, Murphy's memory was (temporarily) erased. At the moment he was fully activated, he was Robocop only. He knew no other life.
Over time, his memories resurfaced, gradually immersing him in the reality of having been something else before. By the time he knew himself as Murphy, it seems enough time as Robocop had passed to be used to it.
Granted, from that point his sense of duty and religion would have kept him from ending himself.
Seems to me memory erasure was not done with any version of Robocop 2. Might have worked out better if it was. No guarantee version 2a and 2b wouldn't have ended themselves after remembering themselves, but at least they would have made it out of the lab.
Stop motion animation works SO GOOD to portray the robot movement! These days they always make a CGI robot movement as smooth as possible instead of being stiff and clanky like.. a robot.
have a look at modern robots... they aren't stigg or clanky
Two words… Boston Dynamics.
Check out their UA-cam channel.
This scene is grim and horrifying, but it's also hilarious because of the little upbeat fanfare they play when they come in. 😂 Also, the stop motion adds a certain weird surrealness to it which would be hard to recreate with other methods.
BTW, when I was a kid, I remember watching a taped wrestling event my dad brought home (borrowed from a co-worker). It was Hulk Hogan vs Sgt Slaughter; Hogan's forehead was bleeding and Slaughter was digging his fingers in and I was thinking "is he trying to pull his skull cap off?! 👀💦" In retrospect, I think I was having unsettling flashbacks from Robocop 2. So yeah, probably not the best movie to show a small child. :P
Lies again? HDB Paris
The last one is literally a revenant
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Fun fact, the same guy actually worked on the Revenant model and the models for this movie, so pretty much!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Punchatz
@@Symmetriad huh never would have guessed that!
@@ZombieSlayerN05The movie was mostly filmed in Dallas and id software is located north of there. It's cool the film crew used him for the animations.
@@eltexangelo oh that's cool, learn something new every day
0:22 springlocks
Multiple Similtanious springlock failures.