L😍VE this! Thanks for doing a realtime Peter disassembly timed without any pre training! To each his own…Just like buying Festool it’s a premium and well thought out product. The wheels option is amazing and it shows that the custom(proprietary I assume) knobs which can join tables together makes this complete! Need this in the USA!
I just ordered this a few days ago, it looks great. Benchdogs UK was really helpful dealing with my order (shipping to Canada) very good experience. Based on customer service experience alone, I would recommend:)
What a great system for making a modular workshop workstation where you can add as you go. Would be great if it had a module for adding a mitre saw with an adjustable height about 100mm below the main work surface to allow it to work with many brands.
splayed legs are good for "stopping' ' table rocking, however, they tend to be stumbling blocks as you walk around the unit----that said i really like the systems feature that allows knock up/knock down usage. i agree with prev comment--router insert might be a great accy option thanx rick
While it would be very good, there is a video on UA-cam that made "a small router table"-board (just a a plywood board). The interesting idea they had in the video was to attach one end of the board with bench dogs (really proving that benchdogs can hold anything if your creative enough) so it was floating in the air quite sturdy and didn't take up much space. It was important that it floated a bit in the air because below was a palm router, so it was not a router that is in a real router table (I assume those will deliver a bit more power, I don't know anything of it really). And also, this might not at all address your comment, it's just that this video and your comment reminded me of that.
Beautifully made and thought out as always from benchdogs. I'm glad that you made the price comparison to your shop mft, I was thinking by the time you spec this up it becomes a bit of a fixture and might be better off to DIY for a permanent setup but maybe not so much difference. Looking forward to the other bench comparisons, it would be great to see you try and overcome their shortcomings like you did with the woodcraft too.
A very nice system. As you and Ralph say it's a premium table, not for everyone but it's an option now available to compete with those others in that price range.
Cool table if they can come out with a plate that will adapt their hinge to slide in the extrusions of that table. If I have to undo the quad dogs every time it’s just not worth buying. If I’m going to buy a MFT table, the hinge has the slide in the extrusions.
I been lucky to visit that place few times to collect my order ( I have a vehicle MOT station 5 minutes drive from there) The factory is top notch, the staff are ultra friendly and I can confirm that their products are top notch. I'm tempted with that table 💪
I'm in the market for the new garage workshop setup and looking forward to the comparison between equivalent Festool MFT 3 (fance, hinge, extra rail etc.). Thanks 👍
I could see this working in my small garage. I don’t need a table up all the time but when I do this would fit the bill and I can put it to one side when I don’t need it. The price/quality looks ok to me.
Very nice! I saw the BDUK intro video and I am tracking closely. I have looked at most MFT alternatives, and I love my BDUK fence. Thanks for the intro PM!
Nice field trip! This looks like a great way to have a very functional setup if you have to share the usage of your shop. (Garage/workshop). Being able to be up and running in a few minutes with something sturdy and reliable. Thanks Peter!
Looks very good...and compared to the cost of an mft3 very reasonably priced! If I didn't already have the mft3 and two other mft style worktables, I would buy that for the workshop.
awesome product. i am curious if it can be height adjusted to an mft…. also, at some point they should offer a lower shelf that attaches to the crossbars in the legs…
I left a similar comment on Ralph's launch video, but I've never regretted buying an MFT/3 (with rail) but it has its short comings which Benchdogs have addressed nicely with their take on a MFT style bench. I think it's priced well - albeit trade/professionals being able to justify the cost easier than hobby-shops. My only wish is that the benchdogs bench replicates the corner casting on the MFT/3 allowing the it to be stowed on a bench or cabinet, legs folded for workshop use and then legs-down when out and about. I can't wait for mine to arrive.
@@10MinuteWorkshop The United States is such a big place. And there are only a few lumber yards that seem to stock it. I will probably find a place that can make me a MFT top from MEDEX or if I can find the raw materials I'll make my own.
@@10MinuteWorkshop They do you're right, but the corner casting gave a little rise allowing you to retrieve things that drop through the holes. Great first look video - thanks.
Cut an entire 4x8 sheet long and across,you need a gap not to cut the MDF or some riser bench dog plugs,please do a video building a cabinet.Cheers from Toronto Canada!!
Good idea to expand it. But I would have provided small hooks for hanging it up. And "grip pockets" to make it easier to unhook and to be able to use clamps on the surface. Also additional mountable feet to optionally position the extensions at a distance from the base.
Could one add two benchdogs on the wall and you just pressfit this table into them? I mean there are holes in the table and benchdogs are just thick nails in the wall. I do wonder how it will go for the legs though, will they fall out and extend from the wall?
Finding it very hard not to buy myself one of these. Looks amazing and all my other Benchdog products are amazing quality. Their range is ever expanding and I am sure they will come up with great new great attachments and addons to this table.
great job. love that they are now offering a basic version. i hope ralph does a comparison video showing the diferences. i can see the basic being the go to one. i dont think i would mind the features that are left out bar the slot for clamps but i can route that myself. i could get the main table and extention for 650 versus 575 for the fancy main table . seems a no brainer to me.
Hi Peter, great video at Bench dog HQ and a review on MFT workstation , looks a solid product and you looked impressed with this workstation, my be on your shopping list. As always a great video, Take care
I really like this company and the products it offers. It's unfortunate that shipping in NA is so expensive but I understand the reasons. I bit the bullet and bought the MFT table fence and the quality is undeniable. Well done.
TBH it's a similar situation with eg Dashboard PWS outside of the US; the shipping isn't so bad but the import duties and VAT make their products crazy expensive. 🤷♂️
Certainly looks like an excellent table. Base table good for someone with a garage and little room, kick the car out to work. With the extensions and horns good for taking to a place doing shop fitting etc. The only problem I see is the removal of the large extensions. There needs to be a way of forcing people to stand on the long side turn it towards you like the main table. Reaching over the end, with a bent back supporting the table is not going to end well.
Speaking as someone with a long history of back problems, with the splayed legs released and folded under, they actually support the extension pretty well when folding it up. But I don't disagree - maybe a handle cut-out either side, or one in the centre, would help? 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Once it is down its should be ok, no different to the base table. The problem is at 3:28 where you are grabbing something heavy that is falling away from you. As you lower it you are bending more. If you could lift it from the side you would not be reaching so far and the leg on your side would be taking some of the weight. As you lift it you would be reducing the bending, until you lower it when it is close to you like the main table.
Many thanks Peter for this video. Its helped fill in some of the questions I had from BDUK excellent video introducing this a few weeks ago. Looks like an excellent premium product, so looking forward to your review of the Metabo version to contrast the value verse function. I am using a home made MFT using Matara 3090 extrusion with 8mm T slot, a cheap MDF MR Festool clone top and some trestles. This really keeps the weight down to a minimum for site work transportation and costs about £300, but has some compromises, such as you can only use Axminster Quick Lever Clamps but has some flexibility plus you can use a wide range of T slots over 3 levels. The new Evolution trestles would be a good cheap addition. Once again thanks for the video.
I suppose I discovered your videos in the wrong sequence (watched the “almost perfect” Metabo bench yesterday). I’d taken a quick look at this (Benchdogs) bench, and had great expectations. All i can say is wow. The Benchdogs product looks like it has the stability and modularity of the Dashboard product, at a potential 20-ish % savings. I remain annoyed at the instability of the 3 Festool MFTs that are the core of my workshop when assembling large / heavy products, but I’ve been waiting for the ideal upgrade at a lower price than Dashboard system. I think the Bechdogs system might be the one I go with. Thanks Peter for demonstrating the Benchdogs product! I’m looking forward to your upcoming comparison video. For now, the Benchdogs product looks like the best value, and the one that best meets my needs.
I built my own a few years back using Tough master saw horses as a base, aluminium frame, with 4 highdromat mdf tops that bolt down into the top slot. Aligning with bench dogs so that all four tops are super square. This new Benchdogs unit is great value, yes even in the £500 range. For us in the UK the American version will cost you the same again in postage, import duty and VAT, as it did for the guide rail unit. Now Benchdogs make their better version, if only I had waited! I long to see one. Perhaps a slot in the top for sacrificial insert, as you use Peter.
Cheers Barry! Yes, it’s a solid, premium bench that’s designed and manufactured in Britain. l don’t disagree re the sacrificial strip, but I imagine the problem would be that of where to position it, as it would dictate how the bench was used? 🤷♂️👍
Beautiful and entirely out of my price range. I'll stick with my 2x4 Centipede for now. I got the top with the 20mm/96mm world standard rather than the USA sub-standard spec and it is a joy to use. I also have a pair of old Work-mates I plan to rework to 20/96 in the near future.
Cool product - It does seem very similar to the Dashboard portable workstation, particularly with the out-rigger attachments. It seems to be about half the price of the Dashboard product but doesn't appear to be as sturdy. Thanks for the info!
Can’t talk about the dashboard as not had the chance to get one. But the smaller tables are mountable in multiple places not just in the configuration we have it displayed
No idea what folks are complaining about, at 356 or 584 yoyos that is very cheap. Proper stable and beautiful wb at that money, much better than mft3. Light too, one could always stick miter saw stand like axle on one of the corners if 30kg is a problem. I love those stabiliser bars too.
nice to see got to take a real look at the Benchdogs new table. Now can you tell me how portable is it? From watching you it seemed to be kinda heavy. The DashBoard Shortcut table is 45lbs and to me that’s lightweight.
Looks like a decent workstation and the price of the basic version isn't bad especially when you consider the custom extrusions. The price increase for the other versions seems to be a little high. It would have been nice to see one of the basic tables.
@@10MinuteWorkshop Great. I made the comment elsewhere but for my Festool MFT I have added two inline wheels which are removable, so the table can "skate on one edge" rather than always picking it up etc. For this new Ultra MFT I'd support the same idea so you don't always have to use the cart config. It's really helpful to sometimes just balance and push the table through narrow spaces this way etc. That reach over with the current weight would be a killer for me as I have basically ruined my right hip flexors doing stuff like that.
What timing! I was planning to build one using your other video, but this looks much nicer than i could ever build it! Now should I ask wife for permission or ask for forgiveness 😂😂😂 (I’ll start with the basic model for now)!
I saw the bench pre-order when I was looking at benchdogs this morning. Looks very nice. I can't see a bundle set with the hinge etc. discussed at the end of the video. Not sure if it's just me, but I can hear a high pitched background noise throughout the video.
Well, at least give Benchdogs to the end of the day to put the bungle together, lol! The workshop is right next to the factory, we do what we can with the audio, but a little noise bleed is inevitable. 🤷♂️👍
Lots of comments on the cost, but as I said on their original video my own aluminium profile bench cost quite a bit more, and my extensions don't align or have the same stability
@@RalphBD - Another idea (that you have probably thought of already?). A lower adjustable table that would allow you to utilise this bench with table saw and maybe even a mitre saw - making it useful as an infeed or outfeed table?
I noticed the Milwaukee track saw rail in the back of the Bench Dogs studio and it made me think that I can't remember seeing you do any reviews on their track saw. Their tools always get really good reviews in multi-brand comparisons. Is Milwaukee not that common on your side of the pond?
Hong Kong based Techtonic Industries (TTI) own Milwaukee, AEG and Ryobi, and we certainly get fewer Milwaukee tools here than the others. They’re pretty good by all accounts, but I tend to not to review cordless saws as the buying decision almost always comes down to whether or not you’re already on the battery platform. 👍
Pleased you mention the Metabo MFT Peter. It's very cheap and without a lot of the pitfalls that the Wolfcraft one has, and also seems to have the stabilised bars and carry handle very similar to this one
There are a number of adverse comments about the cost (me included!) but as Ralph replied, "Compared with what?" BDUK £1925 for 3046mm x 1484mm if my understanding calculations are correct, PWS Dashboard $3,000 plus carriage for 2352mm x 1020mm (so not quite 8 x 4), three Festool MFT/3 in tandem £1950 for 2319mm x 1151mm (again not quite 8 x 4). There are cheaper ways of cutting down 8 x 4 but really only by relying on a rail square and not as accurately repeatable. But also worth considering is that the PWS Dashboard weighs 27kgs without outriggers compared with 34kgs for just the BDUK core table, i.e. before you count the extenders. The reason may be because the Dashboard's top is Baltic ply not MDF and ceratinly not as heavy as Valchromat. I recall Peter built a portable bench using poplar ply. Question for Ralph: Could that be a useful option to get the weight down?
AFAIK Dashboard uses a much lighter-weight extrusion. Turns out Poplar ply isn't a great choice for a benchtop - far too soft IMHO. Birch ply would be better, but the weight saving vs MRMDF is modest on a top of that size, likely less than 3Kg.
Are they compatible with the Festool MFT? Like suppose you have the Festool Conturo, can you link them together as you have done in the video with the different tables?
So much depends on where you live. Dashboard is a great system, but hopeless for eg UK homes and vehicles as it’s just too big. Benchdogs modular approach works better here as you can buy - and transport - as much or as little as you need. And import duties / VAT don’t do the Dashboard any favours either. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Sure, but you have a worldwide audience and some of us could fit (maybe not afford!) either system, so a comparison would find an audience who would find it quite helpful.
@@10MinuteWorkshop I’d call BS on the size argument. Dashboard has smaller tables and their large tables aren’t that large that a white van guy couldn’t fit one or three. The VAT and shipping would be more of the argument. This was very obviously patterned from Dashboard’s ideas. Which is probably fine. He’s not after the UK market.
Your video has filled in the blanks for me I had after watching the benchdogs video. I just don't know if I should pay for the valchromat over the medite. Is it worthwhile functionally, other than the contrasting colour? e.g. moisture resistance, durability etc
I think it’s more likely because the bundle plug-in they’re using is a relatively new addition, so perhaps there a check-box that needs ticking somewhere; I’ll mention it to Ralph. As always though, a message directly to Benchdogs from the customer will generally get a faster response. 👍
I do have one frustration, and not just with this company. (I'm looking at you, Jessem.) This is an interesting product to me but after going to their website, I can't tell what comes with the table. I know I may be missing something, but I tried fairly hard to go through their website to see whether they offer the table with the fence, hinge, etc.
This is a first look at a new product that won’t ship until October. They’re working on the bundle pricing, it will be on the website next week I’m told. 👍
Well bugger. I saw their video on it a few days ago. Twiddled my thumbs for a couple days then decided to pull the trigger on it. So no discount for me. :^( Less expensive than the Dashboard offering AND things like the leg braces were done much better. According to Festool and Benchdog both benches are 900mm high (I have an MFT now) so hopefully they will line up. I do have the Dashboard track hinge (bee's knee's) so I hope that works. Ideally they would machine the T slot access slot in pairs so that those of us with other hinges can simply slide them in. That is the only drawback I see, access to the slots could be problem. A big niggle.
Morning Peter - guessing your BDT MFT will be arriving anytime soon? Really looking forward to your review as a “pro user” before I push the button. Currently Got the UJK MFT with trestles which to be fair is very good but with limited space a quality fold down and store away would be fantastic especially as I’m a hobby wood worker. My wife BTW blames you for me suffering from BDTAS (Benchdog Tools Acquisition Syndrome 😂😂) Look forward to the review!
Thanks! Ralph has only just received the custom extrusion as far as I know, so I'm not sure when the bench will be here - I haven't had the invoice for it yet, anyway! The UJK looks a solid option, but I do have an aversion to benches on trestles! And yes, I think I'm taking the blame for a lot of those acquisitions! 😂 🤷♂️
Very nice for people who can afford it, ie those who do things like this in a business sort of thing Very nice, will be interesting to see a real life review when someone on youtube gets hold off one in real world Always nice seeing innovation in things, even though i have no interest myself in such stuff It all dripples down to the poor people, so always nice to see what businesses or people who make money in these things can buy.
You’d be surprised at how many hobbyists are looking at this actually. If you want a sturdy bench with a rail hinge and fence that you can pull out of the garage and set up quickly then this ticks the boxes. 👍
I thought their products are easily available throughout the continent. They have euro prices and shipping isn't bad neither. I think UK vat gets removed and your country vat applied ... something like that.
I dont see .eu site, but uk site automatically lists everything in euro currency, and you can change it to whatever you wish. Also there is a very nice FAQ section that explains vat for outside of UK purchasing. And website has a banner on home page about vat deduction ya can't miss it, if you click on it it brings you to FAQ section. I think he has it organised very well, it takes no effort at all to find out everything one needs to find out immediately.
Dreaming! I'd keep a budget cordless drill driver, eg Sealy from Eurocar Parts and, maybe, a flexible drive shaft for quick assembly and disassembly if I needed to take it with me for jobs away from home. Looks like it could be robust enough to use for occasional hand tool work, eg chisels and planes, with appropriate vice or other grippers. Love the feet, I'd probably modify it to add them if it didn't have them. This popped up just after I'd finished watching some US videos about making 5-frame NUC boxes for bees to advise my son how to make his own. I'd advised against table saw (the Americans all had huge barn sized spaces with dado attachments) and recommended Evolution or similar budget tracksaw. I'll drive up with some of my tools, train him how to use them (he's not a natural maker), and help him buy relevant tools. He'll be making scores of the boxes so might be ready for one of these in a year. Wish I could shove one of these in the car next week to drive up to North Wales but can't quite afford it... yet. Maybe the children will contribute since I'll be doing work for them
Kids contributing to tools you'll use working for them? Dream on! 😂 Yes, crossed my mind when I was trying to move it that it might be solid enough for some hand tool use. very impressive! 👍
I don’t know - I see a lot of things that seem like after thoughts as well as components that seem unfinished. I know he said it’s a prototype of sorts but, maybe too early to show something like this as closely as you do in this video.
@@10MinuteWorkshop first few that jump out are the placement of the handle and the way the legs fold up. The handle on the underside seems like it would get in the way of using clamps. Yes, you could move the piece and clamp but when you spend that much money you should be able to clamp using any doghole you want. Additionally, not all people would be able to reach said handle - different size arms. Would be better to make a handle that is removable to not get in the way of clamps. Maybe a handle that the user would insert into dogholes to carry the table. That would also give the user the ability to use the handle that adjusts to their arm length. For the legs - and maybe I’m just super picky - but they should fold flush to the table when folders up for storage. That 15* angle that the top sits at is… awkward. Again, when you are asked to pay that much for a tool, the user shouldn’t have to make adjustments in their workflow to accommodate for misses on basic functionality. That said, I am impressed that they had the forethought to add removable wheels for transport. I hate that all MFT companies before this say “it’s mobile!” but they make them so heavy that no one actually moves them. Adding removable wheels to this bench dog top is exactly what’s needed! Kudos there!
I think it good to show so that it can be critiqued. Different people see different things. Maybe after your comment they will give the option of a removable handle that is held with dogs and a set screw or something that clips onto the frame.
@@bwhite220@bwhite220 We definitely would not want any handles in the dog holes as the accuracy on these holes would never want anything that could potentially damage them. The handle could also be removed if need be. They are only hex key fittings.
There seem to me to be several streams of woodworking or carpentry or joinery. There is site (could well be at clients’ premises) work which includes 2nd fix; there are professional workshops producing bespoke pieces plus, perhaps a little work on site. And then there are hobbyists. I would dare to suggest that hobbyists are the main target market for most of the “ground breaking”, “can’t live without” etc. etc. tools that come on the market. Perhaps people with money to burn or people who think that this saw or that drill will transform their skill levels overnight. I certainly agree with the principle of buying the best that you can afford - but knowing what is best in terms of what you do and how often you do it, is tricky. Too many YT channels are subsidised in some way by the manufacturers. Fully disclosure is sometimes forthcoming (I have no issue with 10MW on that) but I still wonder about conscious or unconscious bias. The 2 things that I think every woodworker needs are the right mindset (combination of patience and precision) and practice. I don’t know of any website where these are for sale
I’d say that ‘comfortably fixed’ hobbyists are a large market for many professional level purchases, whether that’s tools and hardware, or golf clubs, tennis rackets, cameras, computers, or wrist watches, there’s be someone somewhere with sufficient funds to make discretionary purchases that would make the rest of us flinch. Of course, saying ‘the rest of us’ is a misnomer in itself - we all tend to think that everyone out there is just like us, even though we know they’re not. As for ‘too many UA-cam channels being subsidised by manufacturers’, there are 38 million active UA-cam channels, if you can’t find ones to watch that don’t meet your exacting standards of disclosure, then maybe you should start one. Totally agree with you though; the only thing that truly improves your woodwork is doing woodwork. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop I don’t go searching for woodworking channels but, rightly or wrongly, watch the ones that YT suggest. I may only watch for a minute or so if I don’t appreciate the style or the skill level or whatever. I don’t think my standard for disclosure is at all exacting but rather honest. Perhaps honesty is too exacting. I admire greatly those who make YT videos for pleasure and for teaching. Clearly, there are many who also seek, or do, make an income from it. It is my thought that all should disclose free gifts or discounted purchases as many channels do. When I see walls of Festool systainers or Woodpeckers rulers and squares, I wonder. I see also that some channels are distributors (not affiliate shopping) of tools they show and, again, I hesitate over the impartiality of the advice given. Start my own channel? Why? Is that the correct answer to asking for what I think most reasonable people would expect from existing channels? I would suggest that many do not have the inclination to make videos or the time or the necessary teaching skills to do so. Are we saying that these people must not criticise but go away and start something they can’t do?
Full marks for taking the savings they make on the internal shipping and applying it to their international shipping costs. I don't know if I am at all representative but there are a number of things I have given a pass because they want a greater profit from their international customers. I worry if this is how they regard you as potential customer what after sales service can you expect.
We have reduced the shipping for international the actual cost of shipping to the USA is £180. We reduce it to £100. And the packing is £15 per system. Be my guest to check prices on line for better prices . The size is 1200x820x130mm
@@Benchdogtools Further south than the USA but they are the worst at gouging. Sometime ago I purchased a US tool from UK because shipping was less than half from US but since it had tracking I noticed it fly into somewhere in the Midwest stay a couple of days before onto the former penal colony. No one has been able to explain why a round trip from US to UK made shipping cheaper. I am not in the market for a bench at the moment but treating your customers fairly puts you to well up the list if and when. If you are looking for an Australian distributor the 2 biggest woodworking tool suppliers are Timbecon and Carbetec. If you deal with Timbecon be aware they have a house brand made in China with a green aluminium that look without careful scrutiny like a US brand normally in red alloy.
I've only seen what you see in the video, but my understanding is that the basic is the same, dimentionally, but the extrusion isn't milled out for rail clamps. You can fit drop-in t-nuts, and you can clamp against the extrusion because it's a flat face, but you won't be able to use rail clamps in the slots like you can with the Medite and Valchromat versions.👍
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L😍VE this! Thanks for doing a realtime Peter disassembly timed without any pre training! To each his own…Just like buying Festool it’s a premium and well thought out product. The wheels option is amazing and it shows that the custom(proprietary I assume) knobs which can join tables together makes this complete! Need this in the USA!
what an inspiring company, great table... thank you PM
Thanks! Yes, very impressive - and a huge investment! 👍
Another quality product from Benchdogs.
Nice video.
Thanks! 👍
I just ordered this a few days ago, it looks great. Benchdogs UK was really helpful dealing with my order (shipping to Canada) very good experience. Based on customer service experience alone, I would recommend:)
Good to hear, thanks! 👍
What a great system for making a modular workshop workstation where you can add as you go. Would be great if it had a module for adding a mitre saw with an adjustable height about 100mm below the main work surface to allow it to work with many brands.
Many options can and will be added. Time will allow us to work on these added features
Great video of a great view on an ähhhh great bench 😊
Thank you!
splayed legs are good for "stopping' ' table rocking, however, they tend to be stumbling blocks as you walk around the unit----that said i really like the systems feature that allows knock up/knock down usage. i agree with prev comment--router insert might be a great accy option thanx rick
the legs sticking out was my very first thought, going to trip on those for sure. Maybe you can not open them up so much as the braces slide.
It's a trade off, but I'm glad I'm not the only one who trips on splayed legs.
Agree with splayed legs becoming a stumbling block
Two true legends right there,
Keep up the good work both of you 👍
Thanks Howard. Hope you are well.
Thank you! 👍
Router table extension would be good!
I can neither confirm or deny the existence of such a product… 😬
While it would be very good, there is a video on UA-cam that made "a small router table"-board (just a a plywood board). The interesting idea they had in the video was to attach one end of the board with bench dogs (really proving that benchdogs can hold anything if your creative enough) so it was floating in the air quite sturdy and didn't take up much space. It was important that it floated a bit in the air because below was a palm router, so it was not a router that is in a real router table (I assume those will deliver a bit more power, I don't know anything of it really). And also, this might not at all address your comment, it's just that this video and your comment reminded me of that.
A great looking bench and some very impressive tattoos! Hope BD do well with the Ultra WS.
They are! 😂 👍
Beautifully made and thought out as always from benchdogs. I'm glad that you made the price comparison to your shop mft, I was thinking by the time you spec this up it becomes a bit of a fixture and might be better off to DIY for a permanent setup but maybe not so much difference. Looking forward to the other bench comparisons, it would be great to see you try and overcome their shortcomings like you did with the woodcraft too.
Thank you very much! We’ll see re the other benches. 👍
Their products are works of art.
The organisation behind is also very nice. Wish my garage would look that tidy!
A very nice system. As you and Ralph say it's a premium table, not for everyone but it's an option now available to compete with those others in that price range.
Thanks! Yes, it’s good to have the options, and especially some at the higher end. 👍
Great bench! I will definitely get one in near future.
Cool table if they can come out with a plate that will adapt their hinge to slide in the extrusions of that table. If I have to undo the quad dogs every time it’s just not worth buying. If I’m going to buy a MFT table, the hinge has the slide in the extrusions.
Wow! Hangin out with Ralph and peter at the benchdogs facility. It is every woodworkers dream day off!
It was a great day out, I have to say!. 👍
Great video Peter!!!👌
Thank you! 👍
Really interesting workstation indeed! Thanks, Peter! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thanks, you too! 👍👍
I been lucky to visit that place few times to collect my order ( I have a vehicle MOT station 5 minutes drive from there) The factory is top notch, the staff are ultra friendly and I can confirm that their products are top notch. I'm tempted with that table 💪
Yes, it’s a great space and lovely people. 👍
Fair play. Looks pretty decent that. Like the interlocking corner bolts. Must be of BDs own design. 👍
Sure is.
It's a solid bit of kit. 👍
I'm in the market for the new garage workshop setup and looking forward to the comparison between equivalent Festool MFT 3 (fance, hinge, extra rail etc.). Thanks 👍
I could see this working in my small garage. I don’t need a table up all the time but when I do this would fit the bill and I can put it to one side when I don’t need it. The price/quality looks ok to me.
Totally agree! 👍
Very nice! I saw the BDUK intro video and I am tracking closely. I have looked at most MFT alternatives, and I love my BDUK fence. Thanks for the intro PM!
Thanks! 👍
Nice field trip! This looks like a great way to have a very functional setup if you have to share the usage of your shop. (Garage/workshop). Being able to be up and running in a few minutes with something sturdy and reliable. Thanks Peter!
Thanks! 👍
@@frederickmichaud6783 should be called a VFT - very functional table
@@Milo-UK We actually thought of calling it a UFT - Universal Functional Table
@@RalphBD I'd be tempted to call it Really Useful Table 😉
That’s an awesome set up right there. It’s certainly a lot of money but but two festool mfts they add up.
Great video peter 👍
Thank you, 👍
That looks a great product 👍🏻
It is! 👍
What a Great British company, well done Benchdogs, and thank you Peter hope you're keeping well
Isn’t it? And thanks Paul, all good here, hope you are too.👍
Looks very good...and compared to the cost of an mft3 very reasonably priced! If I didn't already have the mft3 and two other mft style worktables, I would buy that for the workshop.
awesome product. i am curious if it can be height adjusted to an mft…. also, at some point they should offer a lower shelf that attaches to the crossbars in the legs…
You can make a shelf to suit this will give you off the floor storage area if permanently in place.
Looks a fantastic piece of kit 👍
It really is Leo! 👍
Brilliant piece of kit
It’s excellent! 👍
I left a similar comment on Ralph's launch video, but I've never regretted buying an MFT/3 (with rail) but it has its short comings which Benchdogs have addressed nicely with their take on a MFT style bench. I think it's priced well - albeit trade/professionals being able to justify the cost easier than hobby-shops. My only wish is that the benchdogs bench replicates the corner casting on the MFT/3 allowing the it to be stowed on a bench or cabinet, legs folded for workshop use and then legs-down when out and about.
I can't wait for mine to arrive.
My shop is in my basement and I'm leery of any product that stores on the floor on an MDF side.
Sounds like the Medite MRMDF is the one you need then. 👍
Thanks Karl! Pretty sure the legs fold in flat, so locked in place you'll be able to use them on a bench - or in between the benches, as I do. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop The United States is such a big place. And there are only a few lumber yards that seem to stock it. I will probably find a place that can make me a MFT top from MEDEX or if I can find the raw materials I'll make my own.
@@10MinuteWorkshop They do you're right, but the corner casting gave a little rise allowing you to retrieve things that drop through the holes. Great first look video - thanks.
Could consider an apron option, for an end. As the table looks very stable, it would allow for vertical clamping.
The extrusion is very flat, so you could clamp against it, no problem. 👍
Cut an entire 4x8 sheet long and across,you need a gap not to cut the MDF or some riser bench dog plugs,please do a video building a cabinet.Cheers from Toronto Canada!!
Good idea to expand it. But I would have provided small hooks for hanging it up. And "grip pockets" to make it easier to unhook and to be able to use clamps on the surface.
Also additional mountable feet to optionally position the extensions at a distance from the base.
Could one add two benchdogs on the wall and you just pressfit this table into them? I mean there are holes in the table and benchdogs are just thick nails in the wall. I do wonder how it will go for the legs though, will they fall out and extend from the wall?
Finding it very hard not to buy myself one of these. Looks amazing and all my other Benchdog products are amazing quality. Their range is ever expanding and I am sure they will come up with great new great attachments and addons to this table.
Couldn't agree more! Another solid, well-engineered product. 👍
great job. love that they are now offering a basic version. i hope ralph does a comparison video showing the diferences. i can see the basic being the go to one. i dont think i would mind the features that are left out bar the slot for clamps but i can route that myself. i could get the main table and extention for 650 versus 575 for the fancy main table . seems a no brainer to me.
I’d take the Medite version over the basic all day long, but I agree, it’s great to have the choice. 👍
We will have all this sort as quick as we can.
I can see the basic table with one extension going in my van when the budget is in place.
Nice! 👍
Hi Peter, great video at Bench dog HQ and a review on MFT workstation , looks a solid product and you looked impressed with this workstation, my be on your shopping list.
As always a great video, Take care
Thanks Shaun! Great to pay a visit to the factory and see the Benchdogs MFT first hand! 👍
Looks great, expensive but high quality and made in Britain. Also looking forward to seeing thought on the Metabo offering
Take my money! I’ll be ordering this soon!
Peter folded it down in just 60 seconds! It is one cool design!
That was my first time out as well. I’ll get faster with practice. 👍
I really like this company and the products it offers. It's unfortunate that shipping in NA is so expensive but I understand the reasons. I bit the bullet and bought the MFT table fence and the quality is undeniable. Well done.
TBH it's a similar situation with eg Dashboard PWS outside of the US; the shipping isn't so bad but the import duties and VAT make their products crazy expensive. 🤷♂️
Thank you very much! So excited about this MFT....
You and me both! Looking forwards to getting my hand on it in the workshop. 👍
That is a lovely bit of engineering.
It is very nice; well thought out, and well made. 👍
Superb video
Thank you so much 👍🙌
Certainly looks like an excellent table. Base table good for someone with a garage and little room, kick the car out to work. With the extensions and horns good for taking to a place doing shop fitting etc.
The only problem I see is the removal of the large extensions. There needs to be a way of forcing people to stand on the long side turn it towards you like the main table. Reaching over the end, with a bent back supporting the table is not going to end well.
Speaking as someone with a long history of back problems, with the splayed legs released and folded under, they actually support the extension pretty well when folding it up. But I don't disagree - maybe a handle cut-out either side, or one in the centre, would help? 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Once it is down its should be ok, no different to the base table. The problem is at 3:28 where you are grabbing something heavy that is falling away from you. As you lower it you are bending more.
If you could lift it from the side you would not be reaching so far and the leg on your side would be taking some of the weight. As you lift it you would be reducing the bending, until you lower it when it is close to you like the main table.
Many thanks Peter for this video. Its helped fill in some of the questions I had from BDUK excellent video introducing this a few weeks ago. Looks like an excellent premium product, so looking forward to your review of the Metabo version to contrast the value verse function. I am using a home made MFT using Matara 3090 extrusion with 8mm T slot, a cheap MDF MR Festool clone top and some trestles. This really keeps the weight down to a minimum for site work transportation and costs about £300, but has some compromises, such as you can only use Axminster Quick Lever Clamps but has some flexibility plus you can use a wide range of T slots over 3 levels. The new Evolution trestles would be a good cheap addition. Once again thanks for the video.
I suppose I discovered your videos in the wrong sequence (watched the “almost perfect” Metabo bench yesterday). I’d taken a quick look at this (Benchdogs) bench, and had great expectations. All i can say is wow. The Benchdogs product looks like it has the stability and modularity of the Dashboard product, at a potential 20-ish % savings. I remain annoyed at the instability of the 3 Festool MFTs that are the core of my workshop when assembling large / heavy products, but I’ve been waiting for the ideal upgrade at a lower price than Dashboard system. I think the Bechdogs system might be the one I go with. Thanks Peter for demonstrating the Benchdogs product! I’m looking forward to your upcoming comparison video. For now, the Benchdogs product looks like the best value, and the one that best meets my needs.
Thank you! I’ve bought a Benchdogs Ultra, as soon as it arrives in the workshop I’ll be taking a closer, more detailed look! 👍
I built my own a few years back using Tough master saw horses as a base, aluminium frame, with 4 highdromat mdf tops that bolt down into the top slot. Aligning with bench dogs so that all four tops are super square. This new Benchdogs unit is great value, yes even in the £500 range. For us in the UK the American version will cost you the same again in postage, import duty and VAT, as it did for the guide rail unit. Now Benchdogs make their better version, if only I had waited! I long to see one.
Perhaps a slot in the top for sacrificial insert, as you use Peter.
Cheers Barry! Yes, it’s a solid, premium bench that’s designed and manufactured in Britain. l don’t disagree re the sacrificial strip, but I imagine the problem would be that of where to position it, as it would dictate how the bench was used? 🤷♂️👍
I would love to see adaptability to allow the outrigger tables to fit to a Festool MFT/3 as I could just do with a little extension table like that.
You need to get into Festool for that! 👍
Beautiful and entirely out of my price range. I'll stick with my 2x4 Centipede for now. I got the top with the 20mm/96mm world standard rather than the USA sub-standard spec and it is a joy to use. I also have a pair of old Work-mates I plan to rework to 20/96 in the near future.
Cool product - It does seem very similar to the Dashboard portable workstation, particularly with the out-rigger attachments. It seems to be about half the price of the Dashboard product but doesn't appear to be as sturdy. Thanks for the info!
It covers a similar need to the Dashboard, but modular, so better suited to smaller UK Hines and vehicles. And it’s definitely sturdy! 👍
Can’t talk about the dashboard as not had the chance to get one. But the smaller tables are mountable in multiple places not just in the configuration we have it displayed
Looks awesome - Gutted the discount codes don't work on the bundles - just the table by itself.
Thanks! Yes, the bundles are already discounted quite heavily - any more and I think they’d be giving them away!
one day when i have my own shop ill be buying this. totall money and space safer as you dont need a big panel saw.
Heard about benchdogs through Pete’s channel seems like years ago now. Awesome company!! Cost me a few quid since then though! 🤣
Screaming out for your track saw sacrificial strip. Especially if you go for the uber expensive Valchromat option.
Completely agree.
I do wonder if it’s possible to buy the Bench Dogs frame and then get a top with a sacrificial strip off eBay. I’d need to check sizing
No idea what folks are complaining about, at 356 or 584 yoyos that is very cheap. Proper stable and beautiful wb at that money, much better than mft3. Light too, one could always stick miter saw stand like axle on one of the corners if 30kg is a problem.
I love those stabiliser bars too.
My thoughts exactly! Stabilisers are super-impressive, and do a great job! 👍
I didn't know they were so close to me - based in the same trading estate as my solar panel/GivEnergy battery installers!
yes in the same building.
@@RalphBD say 'Hi' to Will and Tim! 😉
@@FFVoyager Hi Will and Tim 👋 Will do when i see them
Neat. I wish I had space for this.
That looks great. It's probably much better than the Festool MFT.
It's certainly had the benefit of some more recent attention to the design details Nico, and it is a very solid bench. 👍
nice to see got to take a real look at the Benchdogs new table. Now can you tell me how portable is it? From watching you it seemed to be kinda heavy. The DashBoard Shortcut table is 45lbs and to me that’s lightweight.
Thanks! As I think I say in the video, it’s ‘luggable’ - 34kg is about 75lbs, but bear in mind that the shortcut is smaller. 👍
Would be interested in package with fence and hinge when it comes out
It's coming... 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Not that I need any more from Benchdogs but I do like to buy British.
Working on the package prices and will update the website next week.
Very expensive for an amateur in Poland, but how creative it is. 🔥🔥🔥
Out of interest what does the Festool MFT/3 cost in Poland, in comparison? 👍
Looks like a decent workstation and the price of the basic version isn't bad especially when you consider the custom extrusions. The price increase for the other versions seems to be a little high. It would have been nice to see one of the basic tables.
I wonder if this one will handle hand planing but without the wobble? Unlike the Festool MFT even after the struts are added.
Certainly feels solid enough. I’ll be sure to check it out when I get one in the workshop. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Great. I made the comment elsewhere but for my Festool MFT I have added two inline wheels which are removable, so the table can "skate on one edge" rather than always picking it up etc. For this new Ultra MFT I'd support the same idea so you don't always have to use the cart config. It's really helpful to sometimes just balance and push the table through narrow spaces this way etc. That reach over with the current weight would be a killer for me as I have basically ruined my right hip flexors doing stuff like that.
What timing! I was planning to build one using your other video, but this looks much nicer than i could ever build it! Now should I ask wife for permission or ask for forgiveness 😂😂😂 (I’ll start with the basic model for now)!
So you are cutting into the table with the saw blade?
I saw the bench pre-order when I was looking at benchdogs this morning. Looks very nice. I can't see a bundle set with the hinge etc. discussed at the end of the video.
Not sure if it's just me, but I can hear a high pitched background noise throughout the video.
Well, at least give Benchdogs to the end of the day to put the bungle together, lol! The workshop is right next to the factory, we do what we can with the audio, but a little noise bleed is inevitable. 🤷♂️👍
Very interesting. You could have dropped in for a cup of whatever at my place in Crewkerne!
There and back in a day, so didn't have a lot of time, unfortunately! Next visit! 👍
Lots of comments on the cost, but as I said on their original video my own aluminium profile bench cost quite a bit more, and my extensions don't align or have the same stability
Yep. As I say in this vid, I spent more on my DIY workshop MFT. 👍
Looks great . . . Do you know if its possible to join two tables together at right angles? does their joining system allow this?
Yes, any table can join with another table; the connections part will be available if this is required.
Thats brilliant, thanks Ralph.
@@RalphBD - Another idea (that you have probably thought of already?). A lower adjustable table that would allow you to utilise this bench with table saw and maybe even a mitre saw - making it useful as an infeed or outfeed table?
@@andyisthedudedefinitely food for thought.
I noticed the Milwaukee track saw rail in the back of the Bench Dogs studio and it made me think that I can't remember seeing you do any reviews on their track saw. Their tools always get really good reviews in multi-brand comparisons. Is Milwaukee not that common on your side of the pond?
Hong Kong based Techtonic Industries (TTI) own Milwaukee, AEG and Ryobi, and we certainly get fewer Milwaukee tools here than the others. They’re pretty good by all accounts, but I tend to not to review cordless saws as the buying decision almost always comes down to whether or not you’re already on the battery platform. 👍
Pleased you mention the Metabo MFT Peter. It's very cheap and without a lot of the pitfalls that the Wolfcraft one has, and also seems to have the stabilised bars and carry handle very similar to this one
I have one here ready to look at. 👍
Thanks for sharing.
There are a number of adverse comments about the cost (me included!) but as Ralph replied, "Compared with what?" BDUK £1925 for 3046mm x 1484mm if my understanding calculations are correct, PWS Dashboard $3,000 plus carriage for 2352mm x 1020mm (so not quite 8 x 4), three Festool MFT/3 in tandem £1950 for 2319mm x 1151mm (again not quite 8 x 4). There are cheaper ways of cutting down 8 x 4 but really only by relying on a rail square and not as accurately repeatable.
But also worth considering is that the PWS Dashboard weighs 27kgs without outriggers compared with 34kgs for just the BDUK core table, i.e. before you count the extenders. The reason may be because the Dashboard's top is Baltic ply not MDF and ceratinly not as heavy as Valchromat. I recall Peter built a portable bench using poplar ply. Question for Ralph: Could that be a useful option to get the weight down?
AFAIK Dashboard uses a much lighter-weight extrusion. Turns out Poplar ply isn't a great choice for a benchtop - far too soft IMHO. Birch ply would be better, but the weight saving vs MRMDF is modest on a top of that size, likely less than 3Kg.
Are they compatible with the Festool MFT? Like suppose you have the Festool Conturo, can you link them together as you have done in the video with the different tables?
I doubt it - different extrusion - but that’s probably a question for Benchdogs. 👍
Beautiful, and well designed piece of kit. Is it too soon to write to Santa?
I think Santa keeps holiday book open all year round. 🤔👍
@10MinuteWorkshop that's fantastic news. I'll start scribing my letter, with my new Tracer pencil (have you tried them?).
Loved the Raiders of the Lost Ark journey plotter.
I really, really wanted to replace the arrow with a biplane… 😂👍
It would be interesting to see a comparison of pluses and minuses with the Dashboard system at some point.
So much depends on where you live. Dashboard is a great system, but hopeless for eg UK homes and vehicles as it’s just too big. Benchdogs modular approach works better here as you can buy - and transport - as much or as little as you need. And import duties / VAT don’t do the Dashboard any favours either. 🤷♂️👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Sure, but you have a worldwide audience and some of us could fit (maybe not afford!) either system, so a comparison would find an audience who would find it quite helpful.
@@10MinuteWorkshop I’d call BS on the size argument. Dashboard has smaller tables and their large tables aren’t that large that a white van guy couldn’t fit one or three. The VAT and shipping would be more of the argument. This was very obviously patterned from Dashboard’s ideas. Which is probably fine. He’s not after the UK market.
Your video has filled in the blanks for me I had after watching the benchdogs video. I just don't know if I should pay for the valchromat over the medite. Is it worthwhile functionally, other than the contrasting colour? e.g. moisture resistance, durability etc
The Valchromat looks fatrastic, but in all honesty I'd expect the Medite to be harder wearing. 👍
Hi Peter, your discount code doesn’t seem to work when ordering this new table bundle, is that because the bundle price is already discounted?
I think it’s more likely because the bundle plug-in they’re using is a relatively new addition, so perhaps there a check-box that needs ticking somewhere; I’ll mention it to Ralph. As always though, a message directly to Benchdogs from the customer will generally get a faster response. 👍
We need that 50% of everything PETER coupon code 😂
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That marcup on the medex is insane...
It’s a different bench, way more than just the price of Medite mdf. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop if so im missing something, the price of the base bench is 300$ ( more or less) less with only the difference in mdf am i wrong?
Hi tried your code and it only discounts on accessories not the £854 table do you know if this is correct thanks
Was it already discounted? That’s the only reason my offer code wouldn’t work.
I do have one frustration, and not just with this company. (I'm looking at you, Jessem.) This is an interesting product to me but after going to their website, I can't tell what comes with the table. I know I may be missing something, but I tried fairly hard to go through their website to see whether they offer the table with the fence, hinge, etc.
This is a first look at a new product that won’t ship until October. They’re working on the bundle pricing, it will be on the website next week I’m told. 👍
How does this company to the UJK Workbench? The basic Benchdogs MFT costs the same as the UJK Workbench
Different animal altogether' the UJK is a top on trestles, this is a folding bench. 👍
Looking forward to the metabo video!
Coming soon!👍
Well bugger. I saw their video on it a few days ago. Twiddled my thumbs for a couple days then decided to pull the trigger on it. So no discount for me. :^( Less expensive than the Dashboard offering AND things like the leg braces were done much better. According to Festool and Benchdog both benches are 900mm high (I have an MFT now) so hopefully they will line up.
I do have the Dashboard track hinge (bee's knee's) so I hope that works. Ideally they would machine the T slot access slot in pairs so that those of us with other hinges can simply slide them in. That is the only drawback I see, access to the slots could be problem. A big niggle.
As soon as I get mine I'll be checking the Dashboard hinge on it! There's 25mm of height adjustment, so you should be OK to match the MFT/3 👍
Morning Peter - guessing your BDT MFT will be arriving anytime soon? Really looking forward to your review as a “pro user” before I push the button. Currently Got the UJK MFT with trestles which to be fair is very good but with limited space a quality fold down and store away would be fantastic especially as I’m a hobby wood worker.
My wife BTW blames you for me suffering from BDTAS (Benchdog Tools Acquisition Syndrome 😂😂)
Look forward to the review!
Thanks! Ralph has only just received the custom extrusion as far as I know, so I'm not sure when the bench will be here - I haven't had the invoice for it yet, anyway! The UJK looks a solid option, but I do have an aversion to benches on trestles! And yes, I think I'm taking the blame for a lot of those acquisitions! 😂 🤷♂️
Very nice for people who can afford it, ie those who do things like this in a business sort of thing
Very nice, will be interesting to see a real life review when someone on youtube gets hold off one in real world
Always nice seeing innovation in things, even though i have no interest myself in such stuff
It all dripples down to the poor people, so always nice to see what businesses or people who make money in these things can buy.
You’d be surprised at how many hobbyists are looking at this actually. If you want a sturdy bench with a rail hinge and fence that you can pull out of the garage and set up quickly then this ticks the boxes. 👍
I wish their products were more and easier available in EU
I thought their products are easily available throughout the continent. They have euro prices and shipping isn't bad neither. I think UK vat gets removed and your country vat applied ... something like that.
I remember seeing on Insta they had set up bench dogs EU - precisely to stock and distribute their products in the EU. Is that no longer the case?
I dont see .eu site, but uk site automatically lists everything in euro currency, and you can change it to whatever you wish. Also there is a very nice FAQ section that explains vat for outside of UK purchasing. And website has a banner on home page about vat deduction ya can't miss it, if you click on it it brings you to FAQ section.
I think he has it organised very well, it takes no effort at all to find out everything one needs to find out immediately.
@@BischBaschBoschthey took EU distribution back in-house
Dreaming! I'd keep a budget cordless drill driver, eg Sealy from Eurocar Parts and, maybe, a flexible drive shaft for quick assembly and disassembly if I needed to take it with me for jobs away from home. Looks like it could be robust enough to use for occasional hand tool work, eg chisels and planes, with appropriate vice or other grippers. Love the feet, I'd probably modify it to add them if it didn't have them.
This popped up just after I'd finished watching some US videos about making 5-frame NUC boxes for bees to advise my son how to make his own. I'd advised against table saw (the Americans all had huge barn sized spaces with dado attachments) and recommended Evolution or similar budget tracksaw. I'll drive up with some of my tools, train him how to use them (he's not a natural maker), and help him buy relevant tools. He'll be making scores of the boxes so might be ready for one of these in a year. Wish I could shove one of these in the car next week to drive up to North Wales but can't quite afford it... yet. Maybe the children will contribute since I'll be doing work for them
Kids contributing to tools you'll use working for them? Dream on! 😂 Yes, crossed my mind when I was trying to move it that it might be solid enough for some hand tool use. very impressive! 👍
I don’t know - I see a lot of things that seem like after thoughts as well as components that seem unfinished. I know he said it’s a prototype of sorts but, maybe too early to show something like this as closely as you do in this video.
I'd be interested to hear what you consider to be after-thoughts?
@@10MinuteWorkshop first few that jump out are the placement of the handle and the way the legs fold up. The handle on the underside seems like it would get in the way of using clamps. Yes, you could move the piece and clamp but when you spend that much money you should be able to clamp using any doghole you want. Additionally, not all people would be able to reach said handle - different size arms. Would be better to make a handle that is removable to not get in the way of clamps. Maybe a handle that the user would insert into dogholes to carry the table. That would also give the user the ability to use the handle that adjusts to their arm length.
For the legs - and maybe I’m just super picky - but they should fold flush to the table when folders up for storage. That 15* angle that the top sits at is… awkward. Again, when you are asked to pay that much for a tool, the user shouldn’t have to make adjustments in their workflow to accommodate for misses on basic functionality.
That said, I am impressed that they had the forethought to add removable wheels for transport. I hate that all MFT companies before this say “it’s mobile!” but they make them so heavy that no one actually moves them. Adding removable wheels to this bench dog top is exactly what’s needed! Kudos there!
I think it good to show so that it can be critiqued. Different people see different things.
Maybe after your comment they will give the option of a removable handle that is held with dogs and a set screw or something that clips onto the frame.
@@bwhite220@bwhite220 We definitely would not want any handles in the dog holes as the accuracy on these holes would never want anything that could potentially damage them. The handle could also be removed if need be. They are only hex key fittings.
Peter mentioned shoulder straps - maybe straps could be attached via removable anchors that lock within the t slots...
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Will the splayed legs stop you from joining two benches end to end.
AFAIK you just fold up the legs on one of them. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop 👍
Do you know if the Dashboard guide rail bracket and Trackstars will work with this MFT?
I don’t yet. As soon as I have it in my workshop I’ll test this out. 👍
There seem to me to be several streams of woodworking or carpentry or joinery. There is site (could well be at clients’ premises) work which includes 2nd fix; there are professional workshops producing bespoke pieces plus, perhaps a little work on site. And then there are hobbyists.
I would dare to suggest that hobbyists are the main target market for most of the “ground breaking”, “can’t live without” etc. etc. tools that come on the market. Perhaps people with money to burn or people who think that this saw or that drill will transform their skill levels overnight.
I certainly agree with the principle of buying the best that you can afford - but knowing what is best in terms of what you do and how often you do it, is tricky. Too many YT channels are subsidised in some way by the manufacturers. Fully disclosure is sometimes forthcoming (I have no issue with 10MW on that) but I still wonder about conscious or unconscious bias.
The 2 things that I think every woodworker needs are the right mindset (combination of patience and precision) and practice. I don’t know of any website where these are for sale
I’d say that ‘comfortably fixed’ hobbyists are a large market for many professional level purchases, whether that’s tools and hardware, or golf clubs, tennis rackets, cameras, computers, or wrist watches, there’s be someone somewhere with sufficient funds to make discretionary purchases that would make the rest of us flinch. Of course, saying ‘the rest of us’ is a misnomer in itself - we all tend to think that everyone out there is just like us, even though we know they’re not.
As for ‘too many UA-cam channels being subsidised by manufacturers’, there are 38 million active UA-cam channels, if you can’t find ones to watch that don’t meet your exacting standards of disclosure, then maybe you should start one.
Totally agree with you though; the only thing that truly improves your woodwork is doing woodwork. 👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop I don’t go searching for woodworking channels but, rightly or wrongly, watch the ones that YT suggest. I may only watch for a minute or so if I don’t appreciate the style or the skill level or whatever. I don’t think my standard for disclosure is at all exacting but rather honest. Perhaps honesty is too exacting.
I admire greatly those who make YT videos for pleasure and for teaching. Clearly, there are many who also seek, or do, make an income from it. It is my thought that all should disclose free gifts or discounted purchases as many channels do. When I see walls of Festool systainers or Woodpeckers rulers and squares, I wonder. I see also that some channels are distributors (not affiliate shopping) of tools they show and, again, I hesitate over the impartiality of the advice given.
Start my own channel? Why? Is that the correct answer to asking for what I think most reasonable people would expect from existing channels? I would suggest that many do not have the inclination to make videos or the time or the necessary teaching skills to do so. Are we saying that these people must not criticise but go away and start something they can’t do?
Full marks for taking the savings they make on the internal shipping and applying it to their international shipping costs. I don't know if I am at all representative but there are a number of things I have given a pass because they want a greater profit from their international customers. I worry if this is how they regard you as potential customer what after sales service can you expect.
We have reduced the shipping for international the actual cost of shipping to the USA is £180. We reduce it to £100. And the packing is £15 per system. Be my guest to check prices on line for better prices . The size is 1200x820x130mm
@@Benchdogtools Further south than the USA but they are the worst at gouging. Sometime ago I purchased a US tool from UK because shipping was less than half from US but since it had tracking I noticed it fly into somewhere in the Midwest stay a couple of days before onto the former penal colony. No one has been able to explain why a round trip from US to UK made shipping cheaper. I am not in the market for a bench at the moment but treating your customers fairly puts you to well up the list if and when. If you are looking for an Australian distributor the 2 biggest woodworking tool suppliers are Timbecon and Carbetec. If you deal with Timbecon be aware they have a house brand made in China with a green aluminium that look without careful scrutiny like a US brand normally in red alloy.
Can you mix and match? ie get mrmdf main body and cheap out on the wings, are they compatible?
Wondered the same. Assuming based on the extrusion used for the basic it won’t allow for expansion, but I too am curious so hopefully an answer comes
As above; my understanding is that the basic is the same, dimentionally, but the extrusion isn't milled out for rail clamps. 👍
I've only seen what you see in the video, but my understanding is that the basic is the same, dimentionally, but the extrusion isn't milled out for rail clamps. You can fit drop-in t-nuts, and you can clamp against the extrusion because it's a flat face, but you won't be able to use rail clamps in the slots like you can with the Medite and Valchromat versions.👍
be careful, soon we'll have to call you Mr. MFT.
I like the idea they are also targeting the US market as well.
Already there! 🤦♂️