The main thing about the salafis is that they think they can just read ayats and hadiths, take their first appearent meaning, and then go on to disregard entire schools of methodology built upon centuries of academic discourse to understand the Qur'an and Prophet Muhamad (saw). Their eagerness to enforce their simple-minded creed to misguide people from the path of the scholars and tthe inheritors of Prophet Muhammad (saw) is exactly what makes their rhetoric successful, yet the same thing is also their doom. Since they don't allow discourse to settle disagreements, when the inevitable occurance of these disagreements arrive, they start to refute each other as well. Essentially destroying their movement from the inside (this is why, although they can gather a following, their groups are always minorities with small numbers). And those among them who choose to respect discourses end up becoming a very soft version of salafis as they eventually have to respect the discourse of opinions inside Ahl al Sunnah too.
Broadly speaking, the rigid lines of understanding within the Salafi movement create such a divide between the physical and spiritual realms that proponents of this movement almost become "atheistic" about any form of optional ibadah. There was a clear, holistic understanding in early Islam that Allah had a direct relationship with His creation, and that all conceivable action (whether "secular" or "religious") served some kind of function within His grander plan and design. If there was a matter that was more ambiguous in the text, it was clear that God 𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘥 for it to be ambiguous; muslims scholars understood a greater purpose behind their debates and disagreements in search of the "truth" (and this is conjecture, but it does not seem like a coincidence to me that this intellectual discourse facilitated a golden age in the Islamic world that spawned the world's greatest civilization at the time out of virtually nothing). I think this is also why Salafism indirectly promotes materialism in society; if it is not possible to contribute anything valuable to the Islamic tradition (or if it is "bidah" to assign God's name to anything outside the apparent meaning of texts), then that means all non-religious endeavours in my personal life must be removed from the spiritual realm. I cannot publish biological studies invoking the name of "Allah's design", I cannot philosophically convey the necessity of God's existence, and I cannot express my love of our creator through creative works of art that inspire others to come closer to their lord. If everything "extra" is bidah, then people will only remember Allah in specific actions of worship. The materialistic, consumption driven personal lives of Gulf Arabs is a clear example. It is interesting how the rise of Protestantism in the West (i.e. the separation of Church and State) has lead to a similar phenomenon of secularism in places like America. The spirit of the law must extend beyond the letter of the law.
First of who do you mean by salafis. Salaf are righteous first generations of muslims. Do you mean among the others Imam Shafi'i rhm or Imam Malik or Imam Ahmed ibn Hanbel rhm were salafis? Do you know their way of thinking about aqida and about the meaning of this hadith?
A man asked Imam Malik (d. 179): “How did Allah make istiwa’ on the throne?” Imam Malik inclined his head and was silent until the sweat of fever covered his brow, then he looked up and said: “Istiwa’ is not unknown (ghayru majhul), the modality of it is inconceivable in the mind (al-kayfu minhu ghayru ma`qul); but belief in it is obligatory, and inquiring about it is a heretical innovation. You are an innovator.” And he gave orders for him to be taken out.
@@lasagnadevy brother actually his arabic is correct you can't interpret it , actually imam malik said 'إستوى ' is 'غير مجهول' Means not unknown, which in layman words means its know, it was the greatness of imam malik and his knowledge of,لغة العربية . These are our salaf, إنشاءالله.
@@lasagnadevyand yeah further it was aqidah of imam malik also that إستوى is not unknown(again that means its known) . But its modality, how is it is unknown. In his words (رحمه الله) The (كيفية ) is unknown. Means we can't interpret how it is but it is and if a person don't believe in it, then the person has done kufr , as the ulama al haq define. والله أعلم با الصواب
In essence, even this explanation doesn't seem to controversial in regards to al-Hanabila. The Hanbali position is not to attribute a location to Allah, the non-Hanbali position isn't really doing that either, rather providing context and insight.
@@Bego-i8z Yes, all the time, especially in the U.S. It's much easier to remember a unique name when everyone else is named John, James, Stephanie, and Lindsey.
(Sama’a) doesn’t mean sky in Arabic, sama’a means everything which is above, and Allah is above the sam’a and the throne , and famous Moroccan Maliki scholar Said Al Kamali says Allah is above the 7 sama’a and the throne
@@DrWoofOfficialLike I said everything which is above you is called sama’a , that’s the definition of the word “فكل ما علاك فهو سماء، فيسمى الفضاء الذي نراه فوقنا سماء” (سورة الذَّاريَات) وَٱلسَّمَآءَ بَنَيۡنَٰهَا بِأَيۡيْدٖ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ (سورة سبأ) إِنْ نَشَأْ نَخْسِفْ بِهِمُ الْأَرْضَ أَوْ نُسْقِطْ عَلَيْهِمْ كِسَفًا مِنَ السَّمَاءِ
Well do we take a Mujassim understanding of it or do we leave the Kayfiyyah to Allah? Is it interpreted in such a way that befits his majesty? That’s your make or break for a statement about Allah ﷻ.
This shaykh says if you ask him Imam Newewi is first go-to source for anything 🤔 so what about sources Imam Newewi took from.? 4 Imams and theirs students and great scholars that came before Imam Newewi.
Malik was an Athari, as were the other 3 imams. The actual Hadith from Malik himself, where does it say she is mute? Why would the prophet ﷺ not correct her?: “The prophet ﷺ asked her: Where is Allah? She said: Above the heaven. He said: Who am I? She said: You are the Messenger of Allah. He said: Free her, for she is a believer." [Al-Muwatta 2251] Arabic
Ali ibn Abi Talib said "Allah existed eternally and there was no place, and He is now as He always was." Al Faruq Baynal Firaq, Imam Baghdadiy In other words, not in a place, not in a direction. This expression of Allah existing eternally and there being nothing else with HIM is from the Messenger of Allah SAS. In Bukhari he said, "Allah existed eternally and nothing else existed. "
One narration in the Muwatta’ of Malik states that the slave girl was black and that when the Messenger of God questioned her; he said “Do you testify that there is no god but Allah?” She said, “Yes.” He asked, “Do you testify Muhammad is the Messenger of God?” She said, “Yes.” He went on, “Do you believe in the resurrection after death?” She replied, “Yes.” The Messenger of God said, “Free her.” * In other versions, the slave girl cannot speak, but merely points to the sky in answer. Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani said of the various versions of the hadith, “There is great contradiction in the wording.” Given the conflicting versions, there is a strong possibility that it has been related merely in terms of what one or more narrators understood, and hence one of the versions is not adequate to establish a point of belief. * Muwatta’ under the chapter Setting Free and Wala’-9 / 322.
@@Ash-Shura The statement of Imam Ali is without chain. The statement of Rasulullah SAS كَانَ اللَّهُ وَلَمْ يَكُنْ شَىْءٌ غَيْرُهُ، Is in Sahih Bukhari. There is no contradiction. If our blessed Prophet said there was nothing besides Allah, that means He exists without a place. He did not create the throne in order to have a place, because He is eternal and so are His attributes. HE, MIGHTY AND MAJESTIC, does not need anything, not the throne, not a direction. The Hadith of the slave girl, as.the brother pointed out, has numerous contradicting narrations, and cannot be taken as a proof. Allah existed before the throne, and He is not in anyway dependant upon it. ALLAH IS AS HE ALWAYS WAS. Free of boundaries, dimensions, directions, or limitations. Read Imam.Tahawi's creed, you can probably find it for free online, he is from.the salaf. All the best to you.
السلام عليكم I have a simple question, how can the so-called salafiyyah movement pretend to follow the madh-hab of Imam Ahmad Ibnou Hanbal and say that Allah has a body and that he's located when Imam Ahmad himself have said : مَن قالَ أن اللهَ جِسمٌ لا كالأجسامِ كَفَرَ Meaning : "whoever claims that God is a body not like other bodies, has still disbelieved "
@@shenasi1030akhi we follow the 1st 3 generations go learn the positions of Ahmad shafi Bukhari sufyan bin thowri Abu hatim and many more, what was there aqida and read only 1 book of ibn abdul wahab to know the Shiekhs dawah instead of listening to propaganda about him he himself followed imam Ahmad
@BlueRoBloxy Except for the frist 3 centuries of Islam where everyone literally affirms Allah is above the heavens and makes takfeer of those who reject it.
@@deceasedposter Like they are going through alot of burdensome effort to interpret what the Prophet (s) said in a clear manifest and simple speech. And in their effort of jumping through hoops they end up distorting the simple meaning. The Prophet(s) asked her Where is Allah? She said Above the heavens. Easy peasy. These later schools say it is not allowed to ask the question Where is Allah. Even though the Prophet himself asked it. I have a lot of respect for both Imam al Nawawi and Qadi Eyad (may Allah have mercy on them) but they are from the later generations. And when Qadi Eyad says that everyone from amongst the muslims doesnt believe that Allah is above the heavens in a real sense but in a metaphoric sense - this is demonstrably wrong. The Imams from the Salaf sometimes explicilty say haqiqatan (meaning in a real sense). So there are Imams from before them and after them who say otherwsie.
SIR PLZ ANSWER THIS QUESTION. You said in Dua, there should be desperation. But then you also said in another video. That Allah will give you the thing you want, when you are in between of wanting it and not wanting it. So what should I do?
One of Allah's attributes is being Above all things even above the skies and above the Throne. Nothing can contain the Almighty. But to deny this is a heresy...both our intellect and the revealed scriptures agrees that the Divine is Above and beyond. So we pray facing the Heavens.. Allah is الأعلى al-a'la (the MOST high). The highest, the Utmost high.
What About Abu hasan al-ashari (رحمه الله) saying at page 438 and 439 that this hadith is evidence that allah is ahove his throne, the tahqiq of saleh al-usyami, check it yourself and you will see.
1st is to accept the word, deny the literal (outward meanings) and consign the meaning to God. That is tafweed. How does ine respond to those who reject reports like these since they're khabr ahad
Whether ahad or mutawatir (like Quranic verses) the mutashabihat are all treated the same: interpreted viz-a-viz the muhkamaat. And if ahad, then it carries even less weight if its apparent meaning contradicts the muhkam.
We don't deny the meaning, we say it is as it is without knowing the how "Al istiwaa maloom walkaiyfiya majhoola" "Istiwaa is known and the how is unknown"
@Nawaf-qk9mu that would be problematic as the meaning is khalqi and Istawa has many meanings. That is where tashbeeh comes in. It would make sense if someone said we know what it means for creation as it is a created thing, but we don't know what it means for God as the literal doesn't befit God. Khayr, have a good day.
@@yourstruly5706 That is not problematic. We use the same word in the ayah, without replacing it with another and without negating it's meaning, only saying that it befits his majesty. Allah truly istawaa ala al arsh as he said about himself, but we don't know how, and it certainly befits his majesty, and there is nothing like him so it is not the same istiwaa Ala alarsg as a human king would on his throne. Maintain the meaning and word of the ayah, without trying to metaphorize it and without liking its meaning to the creation. Istawaa is not istawla but it also not the istiwaa of a human. Just istawaa as it befits his majesty. قال الإمام مالك: الاستواء معلوم والكيف مجهول والإيمان به واجب والسؤال عنه بدعة. Imam Malik said: Istiwaa is known, the how is unknown, believing in it is obligatory and asking about it is innovation.
روى الحاكم: سمعت أبا جعفر محمد بن صالح بن هانئ يقول: سمعت أبا بكر محمد بن إسحاق بن خزيمة يقول: من لم يقل بأن الله عز وجل على عرشه قد استوى فوق سبع سماواته فهو كافر بربه Al-Hakim narrated with his chain that Ibn Khuzaimah (the eminent Shafi'i scholar) said: Whoever does not say that Allah is upon His throne, risen above His seven heavens, then he is a disbeliever in his lord.
Prophet ﷺ said: 1. "A Group of my Ummah will continue to Prevail on the basis of the Truth, and They will not be Harmed by those who oppose them." 2. "A group of people from my Umma will continue to fight In defence of truth and remain triumphant until the Day of judgment." Who is this group? I thought it is salafi but then I found out salafi movement originated in the 18 th centuray in Saudi Arabia.
What's the salafi aqeeda?? Following the 4 schools or following their own opinions? Learning from the teachers are learning from books directly Did salaf believed that prophet ﷺ parents are kafir mazallah? Did salaf believed that prophets are dead in grave?? Did salaf denied that prophet ﷺ has knowledge of unseen given by Allah? Did salaf supported yazeed instead of imam Hussain radhiallahu tala ? @@YoYo-xz6ql
The dua goes UP to Allah Allah said in Surah Baqara, "I see you looking up into the heavens." Fir'awn asked for a tower to be built so he could face the God of Musa (alayhi salam). He understood Allah's uluww. He is above the heavens in a manner that befits His Majesty.
@@503amirulhakim5 Firawn must have been like, "Dude this tower isn't tall enough! I told you it had to be higher than the clouds so I could see the Lord of Musa. I'm sure Musa's lord is just over that cloud over there, the one that looks like a throne." 😂 😂 😂
@@dawudabdullaah6977 brother, jokes aside, the Asharis do not deny Allah's Highness. Allah and His attributes are eternal. In other words they are not contingent upon the creation. so Allah's Highness is not directional, because direction is a part of creation. Allah was the most High before creation, and He is the Most High irrespective of creation. The Most High means transcendently greater than everything. Now, back to Firaun. Firaun failed aqeedah 101 when he declared himself The Lord Most High. (79:24) This is just further proof that Firaun does not know what the Most High means, and it is also proof that he did not understand Allah's uluwa, as you claimed. And it proves that uluwa is not as you have claimed. Because Firaun was on earth and calling himself the Most High. So it does not mean directional High above in the heavens, as you claimed. The scholars of tafseer say his claim that he was the Lord Most High, meant he believed he was the maximum supreme authority.
Thank you for taking this very controversial question.. my question is what is Allah telling us in Surat Al-Hadid?? هُوَ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَ ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضَ فِى سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍۢ ثُمَّ ٱسْتَوَىٰ عَلَى ٱلْعَرْشِ Where is Arsh??? Also what does it mean when Nabi Mohammed (SAW) when was describing his Ascension to Heaven , wasn’t he talking about ascending to Allah’s Arsh?? Would love to hear your comment or explanation.. thank you 🙏 ۚ
@abisinia04 excellent question Allah is on his throne as the ayahs and hadiths clearly state. If anyone tries to convince you otherwise asked them for an authentic direct Hadith which they base their beliefs. Then ask for authentic statements of the companions then their students and their students.
When you say you're not Hanbali but so you don't quote them, then I assume you ascribe to the Madhhab of al-Shafiʿi as you quote al-Nawawi. Now my question is, while it is well known that Imam Ahmad and Imam al-Shafiʿi had the same Aqidah, why don't you believe like they have believed? The claim that there was no proof that the Hanabila or the Imams of Ahl al-Sunnah believe that Allah is "في السماء" (above the sky) is just completely false and ignorant. In fact it is clear from the Qur'an like in Suratu al-Mulk Verses 16 & 17 for example.
@@faiyazkhan5970 i have read it, some wahhabism who disputed it, and i know many wahhabis make thousand of lie about many imam, and i have seen one of wahhabism professor make a fatwa "wudhu cancel because stepped on the cat's poop", so about wahabism, i just have one comment, it is "LOL"
A literalist interpretation is to be rejected, because it means being "in" His creation. There are many such verses in the Quran, that their literal meaning must be denied.
@@carimaelfarrah7800 if Allah( swbt) wasn't literally above his throne bi dhaati then why did prophet( swaws) go upwards for mirage and who gave the prophet( swaws) 3 gifts in the night of mirage....
@@Spark12429 are you suggesting Allah is in a place that the Prophet ﷺ traveled to within the heavens? Are you suggesting Allah ﷻ is "in" His creation? You might want to freshen up your basic aqeeda knowledge brother. No worries, seekersguidance has free courses.
@@carimaelfarrah7800 Am asking you.... if Allah( swbt) wasn't literally above his throne by his bi dhaati then why did he prophet( swaws) go upwards for mirage and who gave the prophet( swaws) the 3 gifts in the night of mirage... The throne is above the creation outside the creation and the 6 direction are finite not infinite... Just plz answer my question above...
@@Spark12429 Allah answers that question of why He took the Messenger ﷺ on the Isra wal Miraj. “Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al-Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our Signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing” [17:1]. “The heart belied not what he saw. Do you then dispute with him concerning what he sees (with the eyes)? And he saw him once again by the farthest Lote-Tree, nearby which is the Garden of Repose. At that time the Lote-Tree was covered with that which covered it. The sight was neither dazzled nor it exceeded the limit, and he saw of the greatest Signs of his Lord” [53:11-18]. SO He could see the signs of his Lord. Again, study aqeedah, ask yourself this simple question: where was Allah before He created the universe? Then ask yourself, Does Allah change if He is perfect? SO before there was a throne, He existed without a place...so He still exists as He always has, because otherwise you would be suggesting He is dependant on the throne for His existence.
sunni Muslims accept every statement of Quran what we reject is deviant interpretation of statements that likens Allah to his creation if a statement is not explicit < mutashabihat>it should be interpreted with what Allah has negated/ assigned for himself *laysa kamitlihi shay* nothing compares/or is like Allah, Allah speaks to us in human language and I'm *alive* so when Allah uses *Alive* to describe himself it cannot be understood in terms of my life, my life is created it has needs it exist in creation and it will come to an end, so if a person says "Allah has life but not like our lives" he must be able to explain the difference in the meanings or he will be stuck with the corporeal meaning/literal even if he says as it befits his majesty.
What if someone worships the sun and moon, would they not point up? So much for that if they worshipped other than Allah they would point to something around them. SubhanAllah the mental gymnastics these types of people make to these clear cut Hadith. The qibla for dua is up that’s why we point up lol, comical at this point. Stick to the athar and what the companions explicitly believed and you won’t go wrong. May Allah guide the misguided.
What "people" are doing mental gymnastics? You do realize that you're talking about the thousands of scholars of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamah, all the schools of thought, who learned directly from the Companions?
@@Teeno86 which companion ever had this explanation for this Hadith? Please share if not, fear Allah when you say “thousands” of scholars learned this from companions.
@@hamidahmad5206 Before the creation of the Throne, and before the creation of the heavens and the earth, and before the creation of directions, there was Allah, may He be exalted, and there was nothing before Him, nothing after Him, and nothing besides Him, as al-Bukhaari (7418) narrated that ‘Imraan ibn Husayn (may Allah be pleased with him) said: I was with the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) when some people from Banu Tameem came to him and he said: “O Banu Tameem, accept the good news.” They said: You have given us the good news; now give us something. Then some people from Yemen came in and he said: “Accept the good news, O people of Yemen, for Banu Tameem did not accept it.” They said: We accept it, for we have come to you to learn about the religion and to ask you how the matter was from the very beginning. He said: “There was Allah and nothing existed before Him, and His Throne was on the water. Then He created the heavens and the earth, and He wrote all things in al-Lawh al-Mahfooz.” Al-Haafiz (may Allah have mercy on him) said: This indicates that there was nothing besides Him: neither water nor the Throne nor anything else, because these are things other than Allah, may He be exalted. End quote. It is famously attributed to Ali ibn Abi Talib that he said, "Allah existed eternally and there was no place, and He is now as He always was." (Al Faruq Baynal Firaq) This is the aqeeda our Blessed Prophet taught, when He pbuh said, "Allah existed eternally and nothing else existed."
@@hamidahmad5206 you have to ask a scholar, not me. You see we depend on scholars. the scholars are the inheritors of the Prophet, Peace be upon him. And all the four schools of thought came directly from the Companions. They passed on not just words/text but the correct understanding too. Even the Hadith/text are preserved through scholars. There is an answer for you. But the scholars will know best how to explain to you how the Companions understood the Deen and what they said and why it's proof for their positions. Just read the early and most popular Aqeedah books, like Aqeedah Tahawiyyah. The positions about these are all in there.
Before the creation of the Throne, and before the creation of the heavens and the earth, and before the creation of directions, there was Allah, may He be exalted, and there was nothing before Him, nothing after Him, and nothing besides Him, as al-Bukhaari (7418) narrated that ‘Imraan ibn Husayn (may Allah be pleased with him) said: I was with the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) when some people from Banu Tameem came to him and he said: “O Banu Tameem, accept the good news.” They said: You have given us the good news; now give us something. Then some people from Yemen came in and he said: “Accept the good news, O people of Yemen, for Banu Tameem did not accept it.” They said: We accept it, for we have come to you to learn about the religion and to ask you how the matter was from the very beginning. He said: “There was Allah and nothing existed before Him, and His Throne was on the water. Then He created the heavens and the earth, and He wrote all things in al-Lawh al-Mahfooz.” Al-Haafiz (may Allah have mercy on him) said: This indicates that there was nothing besides Him: neither water nor the Throne nor anything else, because these are things other than Allah, may He be exalted. End quote.
وسمعت القاضي الإمام تاج الدين عبد الخالق بن علوان قال: سمعت الإمام أبا محمد عبد الله محمد المقدسي مؤلف (المقنع) رحم الله ثراه وجعل الجنة مثواه، يقول: بلغني عن أبي حنيفة رحمه الله أنه قال: من أنكر أن الله عز وجل في السماء فقد كفر. قال عبد الرحمن وحدثنا يونس بن عبد الأعلى قال: سمعت محمد بن إدريس الشافعي يقول وقد سئل عن صفات الله وما يؤمن به فقال: لله تعالى أسماء وصفات جاء بها كتابه وأخبر بها نبيه أمته لا يسع أحدا من خلق الله قامت عليه الحجة ردها. قال الإمام ابن الإمام عبد الرحمن بن أبي حاتم الرازي حدثنا أبو شعيب وأبو نور عن أبي عبد الله محمد بن إدريس الشافعي رحمه الله تعالى قال: القول في السنة التي أنا عليها ورأيت أصحابنا عليها أهل الحديث الذين رأيتهم وأخذت عنهم مثل سفيان ومالك وغيرهما الإقرار بشهادة أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدا رسول الله وأن الله تعالى على عرشه في سمائه يقرب من خلقه كيف شاء وأن الله تعالى ينزل إلى السماء الدنيا كيف شاء. بلغنا عن أبي مطيع الحكم بن عبد الله البلخي صاحب (الفقه الأكبر) قال: سألت أبا حنيفة عمن يقول: لا أعرف ربي في السماء، أو في الأرض. فقال: قد كفر، لأن الله تعالى يقول: الرحمن على العرش استوى. وعرشه فوق سمواته. فقلت: إنه يقول: أقول على العرش استوى، ولكن قال لا يدري العرش في السماء أو في الأرض. قال: إذا أنكر أنه في السماء فقد كفر. رواها صاحب (الفاروق) بإسناد عن أبي بكر بن نصير بن يحيى عن الحكم. حَدَّثَنِي أَحْمَدُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ أَبُو جَعْفَرٍ الدَّارِمِيُّ، قَالَ: سَمِعْتُ أَبِي يَقُولُ: سَمِعْتُ خَارِجَةَ، يَقُولُ: ” الْجَهْمِيَّةُ كُفَّارٌ بَلِّغُوا نِسَاءَهُمْ أَنَّهُنَّ طَوَالِقُ، وَأَنَّهُنَّ لَا يَحْلِلْنَ لِأَزْوَاجِهِنَّ لَا تَعُودُوا مَرْضَاهُمْ وَلَا تَشْهَدُوا جَنَائِزَهُمْ، ثُمَّ تَلَا {طه * مَا أَنْزَلْنَا عَلَيْكَ الْقُرْآنَ لِتَشْقَى} إِلَى قَوْلِهِ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ {الرَّحْمَنُ عَلَى الْعَرْشِ اسْتَوَى} وَهَلْ يَكُونُ الِاسْتِوَاءُ إِلَّا بِجُلُوسٍ حَدَّثَنِي أَبِي رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ، قَالَ: حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ، عَنْ سُفْيَانَ، عَنْ أَبِي إِسْحَاقَ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ خَلِيفَةَ، عَنْ عُمَرَ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ قَالَ: إِذَا جَلَسَ تَبَارَكَ وَتَعَالَى عَلَى الْكُرْسِيِّ سُمِعَ لَهُ أَطِيطٌ كَأَطِيطِ الرَّحْلِ الْجَدِيد قال صالح بن أحمد بن حنبل: قال أبي: وحدَّثَ وكيع بحديث إسرائيل، عن أبي إسحاق، عن عبد اللَّه بن خليفة: “إذا جلس الرب سبحانه على العرش”. فاقشعر زكريا بن عدي فقال له وكيع -وغضب-: أدركنا الأعمش وسفيان يحدثون هذه الأحاديث لا ينكرونها Very clear what the first 3 generations and the great fuqahaa think about who denies Allah is fi alsama'a.
The 1st opinion “I.E. tafweed “ is not only the hanbali way which is a minority ; it is the Maturidi way and also the less popular opinion in the ashari
It’s amazing and sad to see that people like this resemble the Christians in certain aspects of religion. The Christians believe that God is everywhere with His Essence and we have Muslims believing the same garbage because they see it as restricting Allah. Subhan Allah. If Allah affirms something for Himself, why can’t people accept this without likening Him to the creation? If Allah is everywhere with His Essence, it means He can be worshipped thru anything because of this presence. It means He’s in human being, animals, plants and worst of all in idols. Which entails He’s wrong for telling us not to worship anything other than Him. Ask yourself this, the Quran is The Speech of Allah, why don’t we worship the Quran if He’s not only present in it, but it’s His actual Speech? Allah can do anything but He won’t do that which goes against His Majesty and Nature! Allah is not from His creation, not like His creation and far above everything they associate as partners to Him.
One thing I find interesting about the narration is the question : where is your lord in stead of ‘who is your lord’. Allualam what the implications are but I just find that interesting.
the question seems relevant for the situation. The girl being questioned is mute. I don't think she could answer "who is your lord". The purpose of questioning here seems to be to identify her islam or idolatry. Idols were on the earth
@@Absolute42 The salaf never said HE IS everywhere you Jahmi, he is above his throne and his knowledge is everywhere. Claiming he is everywhere is a statement of kufr and pure jahl.
الله على العرش استوى. When you speak with the innovators, you will tend to hear a lot of ilm al kalam (philosophy) in what they attribute as integral matters in their aqedah, did imam abu hanifa attribute to the ash'ari philosophy taken from pluto? did imam malik take from the maturidi philosophy taken from aristotle? The fact of the matter is, most of the influential ash'ari scholars even if we deem them as ash'ari, have died with the aqedah of the bedouins, that is to say the illiterate bedouin who heard الله على العرش استوى, understood it, and believed in it. Just as Abu Hasan Al-Ash'ari did, as he repented before his death by a few years, he authored two books and if you read them you can rest assured that he went back on most of his statements, except a few that he didn't know the salaf's postition on, that is after he read the works of imam ahmad.
Abdullah ibn Nafi’ reported: Imam Malik, may Allah have mercy on him, was asked about the saying of Allah Almighty, “The Most Merciful rose above the Throne,” (20:5). The man said, “How is His rising?” Malik said, “The rising is acknowledged, its modality is unknown, and asking about it is an innovation. I see you are a man who intended evil with this question.”
Allah is above his creation and above the throne. Sama' means elevation or everything above. This is pure ignorance and deviance listen to scholars not to anyone on youtube this is ash'arism a deviant group that corrupts the attributes of Allah and go against the belief of the salaf (predecessors) the first three generations that the Messenger peace be upon him praised.
Ali ibn Abi Talib said "Allah existed eternally and there was no place, and He is now as He always was." Al Faruq Baynal Firaq, Imam Baghdadiy In other words, not in a place, not in a direction. This expression of Allah existing eternally and there being nothing else with HIM is from the Messenger of Allah SAS. In Bukhari he said, "Allah existed eternally and nothing else existed. "كَانَ اللَّهُ وَلَمْ يَكُنْ شَىْءٌ غَيْرُهُ،
So what, the scholars that are opposed to taweel can be salafi, they are biased too. Everyone is and adheres to some kind of group/school of thought. Except if you listen closely to what a scholar without appealing to emotion or name calling says then you can get to the truth. The explanation the sheikh has given is based and eliminate the need for being harsh or calling names.
Allah said that he is above his throne, who are you to go against Allahs words? The Prophet sallalahu alayhi wa salam and the sahaba understood the verse that Allah is above his throne, do you know more than them? I urge all people to not follow deviant teaching like this rather stick to the path of the sahaba and the messenger sallalahu alayhi wa salam. You can find the sahabas interpretations and understanding of the verses of the sunnah and quranic verses like these in authentic tafseers like Ibn Kathir, Qurtubi and tabari.
Allah (SWT) also said he is closer to us than our jugular, he is time, he is light and everything but his face will be destroyed yet you don’t take the literal or apparent meaning.
Most of the past (the early) and later [theologians] said, 'When it is necessary to purify the Creator (al-Baaree), the Sublime, from having direction (jihah) and demarcation (tamayyuz), then from the requirements and necessary consequences of this, in the view of the generality of the past scholars and their later leaders, is to purify the Creator (al-Baaree) from having direction (jihah). In their view, He is not in the direction of above. This is because to them, when Allaah is designated with direction, this would necessitate that He is restricted to a place (makaan) and a confine (hayyiz). (Subsequently), a place and a confine necessitate (for Him) (such) movement and stillness that is related to distinction (tamayyuz), transformation (taghayyur) and new occurrences (Hudooth) . This is the saying of the Theologians (mutakallimoon, the people of kalaam). And the very first Salaf (may Allaah be pleased with them) never used speak with the negation of direction (al-jihah) and nor did they express that (negation). Rather, they, and all of them, spoke with affirmation of it (al-jihah) for Allaah, the Exalted, just as His Book spoke with it and His Messengers informed of it. And not a single one of the Righteous Predecessors (as-Salaf us-Salih) denied that He ascended over His Throne, in reality (haqeeqatan). And the Throne has been specified (with al-Istiwaa) because it is the greatest of His creations. And they (the Salaf) [stated their] ignorance of the how (kayfiyyah) of al-istiwaa, for there is no one who knows its reality. Imaam Malik said, may Allaah have mercy upon him, "Al-Istiwaa is known..." - meaning, in the language - "...and how (it is) is unknown, and asking about it is an innovation". And Umm Salamah, may Allaah be pleased with her, said the same. And this much is sufficient (on this issue) and whoever wishes more then he can refer to the relevant places in the books of the Scholars.
Someone doesn't have tolerance it seems, or has not learnt of difference of opinion. Nothing to do with Tauheed at all here. If Allah swt says he's above his throne, then he is and Allah knows best. Who are we to say his throne looks like the throne of a king or stoneage bully that our puny human mind imagines?
(to the ismailis and christians on the process of revelation and the uncreatedness of the quran)the prophet recieved the revelation as language which originated as illumination from Allah's uncreated endless oceans of knowledge. (To the anthropramorphic wahabi salafis)Allah swt is beyond capture and is unlike anything in creation, yet he is closer to you then your juggular vein in how your life is in his control and he is all encompassing over his creation the apex above the throne. (to the sufis and muhyiddinis)Allah is the real one and we are the unreal made real, our degree of reality is dependent and limited by Allah azzawajal who cherishes and sustains our existence.
Before the creation of the Throne, and before the creation of the heavens and the earth, and before the creation of directions, there was Allah, may He be exalted, and there was nothing before Him, nothing after Him, and nothing besides Him, as al-Bukhaari (7418) narrated that ‘Imraan ibn Husayn (may Allah be pleased with him) said: I was with the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) when some people from Banu Tameem came to him and he said: “O Banu Tameem, accept the good news.” They said: You have given us the good news; now give us something. Then some people from Yemen came in and he said: “Accept the good news, O people of Yemen, for Banu Tameem did not accept it.” They said: We accept it, for we have come to you to learn about the religion and to ask you how the matter was from the very beginning. He said: “كَانَ اللَّهُ وَلَمْ يَكُنْ شَىْءٌ غَيْرُهُ، There was Allah and nothing existed besides Him, and His Throne was on the water. Then He created the heavens and the earth, and He wrote all things in al-Lawh al-Mahfooz.” Because the creation of the throne did not change anything about Allah, He is now as He always was.
the ash’ari and maturidis isnad goes back to the Prophet Peace be upon him, pseudo salafis chain goes back to abdul wahab in the 1700’s 😂 and you have the audacity to claim someone else needs guidance.
Allah literally describes themselves as: "God-In-Heaven" & "God-In-Earth" Now, the Word "In" much like the Word "في": It doesn't mean "Within the Heavens", nor "Within the Earth". Via Asbāb-in-Nuzūl/Revelatory-Context, "في" means "على" "In" means "Above". Ironically, it's literally no different than/from when Allah states: "That-Book is Guidance for the Pious, because there's 0-Doubt within it." As per Asbāb-in-Nuzūl: "ذلك" actually means "هذا" "That" actually means "This" Even as far as how Allah describes Themselves existing above everything else which exists: Al-`Alī/The Ultimately-Above Al-Muta`āl/The Ultimately-Exalted Al-A`lā/The Most-High (Each of these are amongst the Asmā'/Names-Of-Allah) (Noble-Qur'ān: Chpt.2, V.2; Chpt.43, V.78-89; at-Tabarī; as-Suyūtī; Lisān-ul-`Arab: Lexicon of the Arabic-Language, ibn-Manzhūr) garethbryant.wordpress.com/2024/05/14/debunkingasharirhetoric/
“Themselves”? Allah only uses the magisterial plural when using the pronoun نحن or “We”. When referring to Himself in the third person He ﷻ always uses the third person pronoun هو or “He” and not “they/them”. So again, what’s with “themselves”? What does “as per asbab Nuzul” mean in this context to you? You literally gave no “asbab”. Asbabun Nuzul literally refers to situational or historical contexts for specific verses revealed, so there are always supporting Hadith documentation for when and why a particular verse was revealed. You brought none of that to bear in your answer. I believe you have a point to make in that regard, so Bismillah, go ahead and explain to us about the Asbabun Nuzul dimension to the prepositions you referenced. بارك الله فيك In your attached link you used the expression: “Dem Mothafuckas are Evil.” نعوذ بالله Brother, I’ve exchanged comments with you elsewhere on UA-cam before and I’ve referenced similar language you’ve used in other online posts. What’s wrong with you? You represent the Deen yet post such language IN AN ARTICLE ABOUT ISLAM!? C’mon brother. Whatever value you bring just gets lost. Have adab.
Yes...anyone whom imposes Unjust-Takfīr against a Fellow-Muslim is an Evil-Mothafucka. And, Ash`arīs (not exclusively) are known/notorious for imposing Unjust-Takfīr against Fellow-Muslims simply for being Non-Ash`arīs.
You've literally proven that your Knowledge of English is mediocre, to say the very least. The Words "They" & "Them" are both Singular as well as Plural 3rd-Person Pronouns. garethbryant.wordpress.com/2022/04/04/pronounism/
Shaykh Uthman al Khamees has a good explanation of these issues. I advise people to YT search in Arabic his name and expressions related to this topic to find those videos. بارَكَ اللّٰهُ فيكُم
In status - absolutely, but if someone said or believed that Allah is physically inhabiting a place above the creations, that contradicts the Qur’an in the verse the brother mentioned Surat Ash-Shura Ayah 11 ليس كمثله شيء Meaning: There is absolutely nothing which resembles him (Allah) Everything besides the Self of Allah was created, so where it says what means “nothing resembles Allah” it is in reference to the creation. Right now I am seated above my chair, there is air above my head, below my feet there is concrete. There is a base on top of my table, so on and so forth. Above, below, left, right, in, and out is for creations. Allah existed before he created the places, with perfect attributes that befit him - so for someone to say Allah created the places and then changed to inhabit a place above them - this would be wrong. If something is perfect and will maintain its perfection, it won’t change - because anything that changes (in regards to perfection and imperfection) would go from better to worse or worse to better. That change wouldn’t occur for Allah who is already attributed with perfect Attributes.
@@Wassimsanchez Allah says in Quran ..... There is nothing like him ......full stop..... We as muslims just repeat what he Himself stated for Himself ....... He says in Quran He is above everything, then we say He is above everything without any interpretation of anything...... Just because Allah says He is above doesn't mean like us or we should imagine what above means ..... Similarly goes for different Attributes of Allah swt
Mr Shadee - asharism as a late development is problematic. I know your NJ boys poopoo anyone who points this out but you have to confront the truth. You guys doing ta’weel all over the place.
It is important to not have anthropomorphic beliefs about Allah. It is obligatory for us to reject any likeness of Allah to creation, because of His statements: "There is nothing like unto Him." 112:4 "There is nothing comparable to Him." 42:11
Ok so the argument about the person on the other side of the world pointing up in the opposite direction is a philosophical fallacy. Why dont you face the kaaba and then do a 360 and read salaah in the opposite direction you will still go around the world and face the kabaa on the opposite side
ok jahmi. nawawi is 6-7th century. why do ignore the salaf? there’s no ijtihad in aqeeda. ijtihad is a branch of qiyas and there’s no qiyas in aqeeda. who from the salaf did taweel of this hadith and the verses similar to it? they all brought ijma that allah is above the arsh
Shaykh please be clear this is not a matter concerning the hanabilah/atharis this concerns the mubtadi'een wahhabis so please don't refer to them as hambalis because they are not muqallids or encourage taqleed of mazaahib "Nothing but facts"
This comment proves that you never bothered to read the book of the Salaf the first 3 generations. Read imam bukhari. Imam bukhari established that Allah is above his throne
@@cjchris8317 the salaf confirmed الرحمن على العرش استوى without كيف your English translation of it doesn't do justice to the Arabic and is not genuine to the Aqeedah of the salaf and it is confirmed not one salaf said that istiwa means sitting like the grandchild of taymiyah applied
@@DoItNowTimeFlies You're refuting a claim I didn't make. You and I are literally on the same page. From what I understand from your comment is that you believe that Allah is above his throne without asking how, and that's exactly the position of Shaykh Ibn-taymiyyah and the salafu saalih , by the way
@@DoItNowTimeFlies That's his position, but to be fair to him, he's stated that the sitting of Allah is not to be resembled to his creation. In other words, Allah is sitting on his throne in a way that befits his majesty. And he's getting this from some of the early generations, so it's not something he took out of his pocket. But I'm on the opinion that says we do not think that this word (sitting) should be used. Rather, one should say that He rose (astawa) over the Throne, and istiwa’ is to be understood as referring to ascending and rising. But if someone does use this word, which is narrated from some of the early generations, then he should not be denounced. Rather it should be said to him: It is not appropriate to say this in front of the common folk, because it may cause confusion for them, and they may interpret it in a manner that likens Allah to His creation. Thus, it is clear that this expression does not constitute disbelief; rather, it is an interpretation of the divine attribute of istiwa’, and is a different opinion concerning it. It is more appropriate to refrain from using this word sitting.
So if Ar Rahman has not established himself on Arsh, then what Arsh? What is the point of it? If Allah is not above all, then where is he? Everywhere? in the toilet too? in the church? Sounds like Buddhism to me. This is the problem with the sufi philosophy lol it crumbles when confronted with Quran and Sunnah then you have to twist Quran and Sunnah to conform to your sufi beliefs.
@@ishaakolougbodi1656 my Allah is above the arsh and thus above all creation , yours is in the toilet, in pigs, in dogs too. You can check Surah Taha Verse 5, it clearly states "Arrahmanu Alal Arsh Istawa"
Who said Allāh is everywhere with his essence and where in the video does it assert that? None of the three schools of ahlus sunnah wal jammah say this. You’re just wasting your breath arguing with yourself
@@mohammadkhan8765 if your iq wasnt so low you would comprehend that istawa has multiple meanings, and when you study the Qur’an you study tafseer and you take from teachers who have a chain back to the Prophet. not 1 single sahabi will substantiate your wahabbi claims of physicality for Allah istawa in this context means subjugation.
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The main thing about the salafis is that they think they can just read ayats and hadiths, take their first appearent meaning, and then go on to disregard entire schools of methodology built upon centuries of academic discourse to understand the Qur'an and Prophet Muhamad (saw). Their eagerness to enforce their simple-minded creed to misguide people from the path of the scholars and tthe inheritors of Prophet Muhammad (saw) is exactly what makes their rhetoric successful, yet the same thing is also their doom.
Since they don't allow discourse to settle disagreements, when the inevitable occurance of these disagreements arrive, they start to refute each other as well. Essentially destroying their movement from the inside (this is why, although they can gather a following, their groups are always minorities with small numbers). And those among them who choose to respect discourses end up becoming a very soft version of salafis as they eventually have to respect the discourse of opinions inside Ahl al Sunnah too.
Asalaam mu'alaykum wa ragmatullahi wa barakaatu brother exactly like he said the pious predecessors believed..what are you on about?
Broadly speaking, the rigid lines of understanding within the Salafi movement create such a divide between the physical and spiritual realms that proponents of this movement almost become "atheistic" about any form of optional ibadah.
There was a clear, holistic understanding in early Islam that Allah had a direct relationship with His creation, and that all conceivable action (whether "secular" or "religious") served some kind of function within His grander plan and design. If there was a matter that was more ambiguous in the text, it was clear that God 𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘥 for it to be ambiguous; muslims scholars understood a greater purpose behind their debates and disagreements in search of the "truth" (and this is conjecture, but it does not seem like a coincidence to me that this intellectual discourse facilitated a golden age in the Islamic world that spawned the world's greatest civilization at the time out of virtually nothing).
I think this is also why Salafism indirectly promotes materialism in society; if it is not possible to contribute anything valuable to the Islamic tradition (or if it is "bidah" to assign God's name to anything outside the apparent meaning of texts), then that means all non-religious endeavours in my personal life must be removed from the spiritual realm. I cannot publish biological studies invoking the name of "Allah's design", I cannot philosophically convey the necessity of God's existence, and I cannot express my love of our creator through creative works of art that inspire others to come closer to their lord. If everything "extra" is bidah, then people will only remember Allah in specific actions of worship. The materialistic, consumption driven personal lives of Gulf Arabs is a clear example. It is interesting how the rise of Protestantism in the West (i.e. the separation of Church and State) has lead to a similar phenomenon of secularism in places like America. The spirit of the law must extend beyond the letter of the law.
Stop yapping so much, go to the point, make it short & precise
First of who do you mean by salafis. Salaf are righteous first generations of muslims. Do you mean among the others Imam Shafi'i rhm or Imam Malik or Imam Ahmed ibn Hanbel rhm were salafis?
Do you know their way of thinking about aqida and about the meaning of this hadith?
Remove your greek knowledge out of islam
A man asked Imam Malik (d. 179): “How did Allah make istiwa’ on the throne?” Imam Malik inclined his head and was silent until the sweat of fever covered his brow, then he looked up and said: “Istiwa’ is not unknown (ghayru majhul), the modality of it is inconceivable in the mind (al-kayfu minhu ghayru ma`qul); but belief in it is obligatory, and inquiring about it is a heretical innovation. You are an innovator.” And he gave orders for him to be taken out.
@@wanderingtraveler71 uknown is "ghayru maaroof" not "ghayru majhoul"
@@lasagnadevy if something is not unknown then it is known. I don’t think you understood my point.
@@wanderingtraveler71 not that , i just wanted to correct ur arabic
@@lasagnadevy brother actually his arabic is correct you can't interpret it ,
actually imam malik said 'إستوى ' is 'غير مجهول'
Means not unknown, which in layman words means its know, it was the greatness of imam malik and his knowledge of,لغة العربية .
These are our salaf, إنشاءالله.
@@lasagnadevyand yeah further it was aqidah of imam malik also that إستوى is not unknown(again that means its known) .
But its modality, how is it is unknown.
In his words (رحمه الله) The (كيفية )
is unknown.
Means we can't interpret how it is but it is and if a person don't believe in it, then the person has done kufr , as the ulama al haq define.
والله أعلم با الصواب
In essence, even this explanation doesn't seem to controversial in regards to al-Hanabila. The Hanbali position is not to attribute a location to Allah, the non-Hanbali position isn't really doing that either, rather providing context and insight.
@@awdgaray ...arabs/Muslims are not enough close to be declared as Insane people world wide!
they must defiet dead Pharaoh to
make IT happen ! 😂😀
@@awdgaray something very
funny with Arab / Muslim people!
did you ever meet an Arab that
you remember his full name - afterwards?
@@Bego-i8z Yes, all the time, especially in the U.S. It's much easier to remember a unique name when everyone else is named John, James, Stephanie, and Lindsey.
@@awdgaray ...you are wrong !
I easily remember Chinese Xi Ping more than Qatar's ruler ! Arab pride
will never be much for Chinese
practicality !
@@Bego-i8z What's bro yapping about
Good explanation well done. Jazak Allah kherya
Atharis and hanbalis don't say this aqidah is a matter of ijtihad... there are clear text according to them
Aqeedah is a matter of ijtihad, it requires yaqeen.
(Sama’a) doesn’t mean sky in Arabic, sama’a means everything which is above, and Allah is above the sam’a and the throne , and famous Moroccan Maliki scholar Said Al Kamali says Allah is above the 7 sama’a and the throne
More accurately, it does mean sky, but it also means what you said
@@DrWoofOfficialLike I said everything which is above you is called sama’a , that’s the definition of the word “فكل ما علاك فهو سماء، فيسمى الفضاء الذي نراه فوقنا سماء”
(سورة الذَّاريَات)
وَٱلسَّمَآءَ بَنَيۡنَٰهَا بِأَيۡيْدٖ وَإِنَّا لَمُوسِعُونَ
(سورة سبأ)
إِنْ نَشَأْ نَخْسِفْ بِهِمُ الْأَرْضَ أَوْ نُسْقِطْ عَلَيْهِمْ كِسَفًا مِنَ السَّمَاءِ
@@DrWoofOfficial Sidrat alMuntaha marks the utmost boundary in the seventh Sama’a, where the knowledge of the creation ends
He is famous but he is contemporary. He’s nothing compared to al nawawi
@@mz8452 Imam Bukhari said Allah is above the Arsh
Ok so it's nothing wrong if we repeat as the slave girl said and say "Allah is في السماء" fi as sama
The slave girl is mute.
Well do we take a Mujassim understanding of it or do we leave the Kayfiyyah to Allah? Is it interpreted in such a way that befits his majesty? That’s your make or break for a statement about Allah ﷻ.
This shaykh says if you ask him Imam Newewi is first go-to source for anything 🤔 so what about sources Imam Newewi took from.?
4 Imams and theirs students and great scholars that came before Imam Newewi.
He was probably talking about the explanation of the hadith.
Please pubish a video breaking down the rulling of having birthday celebrations, attending them, etc.
Malik was an Athari, as were the other 3 imams. The actual Hadith from Malik himself, where does it say she is mute? Why would the prophet ﷺ not correct her?: “The prophet ﷺ asked her: Where is Allah? She said: Above the heaven. He said: Who am I? She said: You are the Messenger of Allah. He said: Free her, for she is a believer." [Al-Muwatta 2251]
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Ali ibn Abi Talib said "Allah existed eternally and there was no place, and He is now as He always was."
Al Faruq Baynal Firaq, Imam Baghdadiy
In other words, not in a place, not in a direction.
This expression of Allah existing eternally and there being nothing else with HIM is from the Messenger of Allah SAS. In Bukhari he said, "Allah existed eternally and nothing else existed. "
One narration in the Muwatta’ of Malik states that the slave girl was black and that when the Messenger of God questioned her; he said “Do you testify that there is no god but Allah?” She said, “Yes.” He asked, “Do you testify Muhammad is the Messenger of God?” She said, “Yes.” He went on, “Do you believe in the resurrection after death?” She replied, “Yes.” The Messenger of God said, “Free her.” * In other versions, the slave girl cannot speak, but merely points to the sky in answer. Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani said of the various versions of the hadith, “There is great contradiction in the wording.” Given the conflicting versions, there is a strong possibility that it has been related merely in terms of what one or more narrators understood, and hence one of the versions is not adequate to establish a point of belief.
* Muwatta’ under the chapter Setting Free and Wala’-9 / 322.
@@carimaelfarrah7800do you even know the isnad of what you quoted
@@Ash-Shura The statement of Imam Ali is without chain.
The statement of Rasulullah SAS
كَانَ اللَّهُ وَلَمْ يَكُنْ شَىْءٌ غَيْرُهُ،
Is in Sahih Bukhari.
There is no contradiction.
If our blessed Prophet said there was nothing besides Allah, that means He exists without a place. He did not create the throne in order to have a place, because He is eternal and so are His attributes. HE, MIGHTY AND MAJESTIC, does not need anything, not the throne, not a direction.
The Hadith of the slave girl, as.the brother pointed out, has numerous contradicting narrations, and cannot be taken as a proof.
Allah existed before the throne, and He is not in anyway dependant upon it. ALLAH IS AS HE ALWAYS WAS.
Free of boundaries, dimensions, directions, or limitations.
Read Imam.Tahawi's creed, you can probably find it for free online, he is from.the salaf.
All the best to you.
@user-rh2hk3dk2m here is what I am.referring to.
wahhabisrefuted.wordpress.com/2015/07/18/salafis-reject-imam-tahawi-and-ascribe-a-direction-to-allah/
السلام عليكم
I have a simple question, how can the so-called salafiyyah movement pretend to follow the madh-hab of Imam Ahmad Ibnou Hanbal and say that Allah has a body and that he's located when Imam Ahmad himself have said :
مَن قالَ أن اللهَ جِسمٌ لا كالأجسامِ كَفَرَ
Meaning : "whoever claims that God is a body not like other bodies, has still disbelieved
"
Salafis do not ascribe a "body" to Allah (subhanahu wata'aala). Where did you get this idea from?
@@darcylicious22
They follow the same path as Ibnou Abdi l-Wahhab, isn't it his belief ?
They follow Imam Ahmad's madh-hab in matter of fiqh but they follow the belief of Mouhammad Ibnou Abdi l-Wahhab regarding the aqida
@@shenasi1030akhi we follow the 1st 3 generations go learn the positions of Ahmad shafi Bukhari sufyan bin thowri Abu hatim and many more, what was there aqida and read only 1 book of ibn abdul wahab to know the Shiekhs dawah instead of listening to propaganda about him he himself followed imam Ahmad
@@shenasi1030
Yeh, your full of it.
Im Selafi we never say Allah has a body. 😂
the level of takaluf to distort the clear speech of the Prophet (S) is amazing. May Allah guide all of us.
Takaluf?
@BlueRoBloxy Except for the frist 3 centuries of Islam where everyone literally affirms Allah is above the heavens and makes takfeer of those who reject it.
@@deceasedposter Like they are going through alot of burdensome effort to interpret what the Prophet (s) said in a clear manifest and simple speech. And in their effort of jumping through hoops they end up distorting the simple meaning. The Prophet(s) asked her Where is Allah? She said Above the heavens. Easy peasy. These later schools say it is not allowed to ask the question Where is Allah. Even though the Prophet himself asked it. I have a lot of respect for both Imam al Nawawi and Qadi Eyad (may Allah have mercy on them) but they are from the later generations. And when Qadi Eyad says that everyone from amongst the muslims doesnt believe that Allah is above the heavens in a real sense but in a metaphoric sense - this is demonstrably wrong. The Imams from the Salaf sometimes explicilty say haqiqatan (meaning in a real sense). So there are Imams from before them and after them who say otherwsie.
@@adnankassem8114 -So where is heaven. Where was Allah before the heavens were created.
@@adnankassem8114 ...
don't hide behind " may Allah guide
us ...all ?"
if He can take care of You, it would
be More Than Enough !
SIR PLZ ANSWER THIS QUESTION.
You said in Dua, there should be desperation.
But then you also said in another video.
That Allah will give you the thing you want, when you are in between of wanting it and not wanting it.
So what should I do?
Here we go, aqeedah brings out the worst in our Salafi brothers (not Athari brothers)
One of Allah's attributes is being Above all things even above the skies and above the Throne. Nothing can contain the Almighty.
But to deny this is a heresy...both our intellect and the revealed scriptures agrees that the Divine is Above and beyond. So we pray facing the Heavens..
Allah is الأعلى al-a'la (the MOST high). The highest, the Utmost high.
What About Abu hasan al-ashari (رحمه الله) saying at page 438 and 439 that this hadith is evidence that allah is ahove his throne, the tahqiq of saleh al-usyami, check it yourself and you will see.
Where is this? Also what does he say in Arabic because that’ll be more authentic than some 90% (at best) English translation of his word.
1st is to accept the word, deny the literal (outward meanings) and consign the meaning to God. That is tafweed. How does ine respond to those who reject reports like these since they're khabr ahad
Whether ahad or mutawatir (like Quranic verses) the mutashabihat are all treated the same: interpreted viz-a-viz the muhkamaat. And if ahad, then it carries even less weight if its apparent meaning contradicts the muhkam.
We don't deny the meaning, we say it is as it is without knowing the how
"Al istiwaa maloom walkaiyfiya majhoola"
"Istiwaa is known and the how is unknown"
@Nawaf-qk9mu that would be problematic as the meaning is khalqi and Istawa has many meanings. That is where tashbeeh comes in. It would make sense if someone said we know what it means for creation as it is a created thing, but we don't know what it means for God as the literal doesn't befit God.
Khayr, have a good day.
@@SafinaSociety makes sense.
@@yourstruly5706 That is not problematic. We use the same word in the ayah, without replacing it with another and without negating it's meaning, only saying that it befits his majesty.
Allah truly istawaa ala al arsh as he said about himself, but we don't know how, and it certainly befits his majesty, and there is nothing like him so it is not the same istiwaa Ala alarsg as a human king would on his throne.
Maintain the meaning and word of the ayah, without trying to metaphorize it and without liking its meaning to the creation.
Istawaa is not istawla but it also not the istiwaa of a human. Just istawaa as it befits his majesty.
قال الإمام مالك: الاستواء معلوم والكيف مجهول والإيمان به واجب والسؤال عنه بدعة.
Imam Malik said: Istiwaa is known, the how is unknown, believing in it is obligatory and asking about it is innovation.
روى الحاكم: سمعت أبا جعفر محمد بن صالح بن هانئ يقول: سمعت أبا بكر محمد بن إسحاق بن خزيمة يقول: من لم يقل بأن الله عز وجل على عرشه قد استوى فوق سبع سماواته فهو كافر بربه
Al-Hakim narrated with his chain that Ibn Khuzaimah (the eminent Shafi'i scholar) said: Whoever does not say that Allah is upon His throne, risen above His seven heavens, then he is a disbeliever in his lord.
sama is everywhere because earth is spherical
even if you say allah is above or sama it will make it everywhere
God is infinity. Something which has no end.
Prophet ﷺ said:
1. "A Group of my Ummah will continue to Prevail on the basis of the Truth, and They will not be Harmed by those who oppose them."
2. "A group of people from my Umma will continue to fight In defence of truth and remain triumphant until the Day of judgment."
Who is this group? I thought it is salafi but then I found out salafi movement originated in the 18 th centuray in Saudi Arabia.
WHATTTT????!!!!
Ahlus sunnah wal jamah( hanafi Shafi maliki hanbali (
the salafi aqeedah has always been here. Read the books of the salaf, and you shall understand.
What's the salafi aqeeda??
Following the 4 schools or following their own opinions?
Learning from the teachers are learning from books directly
Did salaf believed that prophet ﷺ parents are kafir mazallah?
Did salaf believed that prophets are dead in grave??
Did salaf denied that prophet ﷺ has knowledge of unseen given by Allah?
Did salaf supported yazeed instead of imam Hussain radhiallahu tala ?
@@YoYo-xz6ql
@@Muizz_Gamer_go listen to the salafi dawah you’ll know who they quote back to the 1st 3 generations and not blind follow one imam
I thought I. Nawawi was shafi'i? Help please
Shafii in fiqh, Ashari in aqeedah.
The dua goes UP to Allah
Allah said in Surah Baqara, "I see you looking up into the heavens."
Fir'awn asked for a tower to be built so he could face the God of Musa (alayhi salam). He understood Allah's uluww.
He is above the heavens in a manner that befits His Majesty.
that's funny...you believe Firaun is a trusted source for your Aqeedah.
Yep, the best Akidah Scholars, Firaun....😂
@@503amirulhakim5 Firawn must have been like, "Dude this tower isn't tall enough! I told you it had to be higher than the clouds so I could see the Lord of Musa. I'm sure Musa's lord is just over that cloud over there, the one that looks like a throne." 😂 😂 😂
@@carimaelfarrah7800 NO!!! I'm just pointed out the fact that firawn knows more about Allah Highness than the asharis
@@dawudabdullaah6977 brother, jokes aside, the Asharis do not deny Allah's Highness. Allah and His attributes are eternal. In other words they are not contingent upon the creation. so Allah's Highness is not directional, because direction is a part of creation. Allah was the most High before creation, and He is the Most High irrespective of creation. The Most High means transcendently greater than everything.
Now, back to Firaun. Firaun failed aqeedah 101 when he declared himself The Lord Most High. (79:24)
This is just further proof that Firaun does not know what the Most High means, and it is also proof that he did not understand Allah's uluwa, as you claimed.
And it proves that uluwa is not as you have claimed. Because Firaun was on earth and calling himself the Most High. So it does not mean directional High above in the heavens, as you claimed.
The scholars of tafseer say his claim that he was the Lord Most High, meant he believed he was the maximum supreme authority.
Isn't there a verse in the Qur'an which is similar? As Muhammad Asad puts it, God is not bound by space and time.
Thank you for taking this very controversial question.. my question is what is Allah telling us in Surat Al-Hadid??
هُوَ ٱلَّذِى خَلَقَ ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٰتِ وَٱلْأَرْضَ فِى سِتَّةِ
أَيَّامٍۢ ثُمَّ ٱسْتَوَىٰ عَلَى ٱلْعَرْشِ
Where is Arsh???
Also what does it mean when Nabi Mohammed (SAW) when was describing his Ascension to Heaven , wasn’t he talking about ascending to Allah’s Arsh?? Would love to hear your comment or explanation.. thank you 🙏 ۚ
Will pass that on. But this explains the verse you are inquiring about
ua-cam.com/video/xm8JMNHn3H0/v-deo.htmlsi=Z4p86HmVgpXQajcj
@abisinia04 excellent question Allah is on his throne as the ayahs and hadiths clearly state. If anyone tries to convince you otherwise asked them for an authentic direct Hadith which they base their beliefs. Then ask for authentic statements of the companions then their students and their students.
@@hamzanur4815
وَنَحْنُ أَقْرَبُ إِلَيْهِ مِنْ حَبْلِ ٱلْوَرِيدِ
وَإِذَا سَأَلَكَ عِبَادِى عَنِّى فَإِنِّى قَرِيبٌ ۖ
@@hamzanur4815 Thank you for your comment and advise .. I would love to know the truth always.
@@SafinaSociety Thank you .. Will watch it ..
No need to make unnecessary ijthaad then.🤷🏿♂️
I don't think anyone believes Allah swt is IN the sky, some believe that Allah swt is above the sky.
The modern athari/hanbali does not say we believe in it without talking about it.
Then they are not actually Hanbali/Athari....they are Salafi.
Allah tabaraka wa ta3ala is above his throne
When you say you're not Hanbali but so you don't quote them, then I assume you ascribe to the Madhhab of al-Shafiʿi as you quote al-Nawawi.
Now my question is, while it is well known that Imam Ahmad and Imam al-Shafiʿi had the same Aqidah, why don't you believe like they have believed?
The claim that there was no proof that the Hanabila or the Imams of Ahl al-Sunnah believe that Allah is "في السماء" (above the sky) is just completely false and ignorant. In fact it is clear from the Qur'an like in Suratu al-Mulk Verses 16 & 17 for example.
Read fiqhul akbar imam abu hanifa, insyaallah it help you in understanding aqidah
The authorship of this text is disputed.
@@faiyazkhan5970 i have read it, some wahhabism who disputed it, and i know many wahhabis make thousand of lie about many imam, and i have seen one of wahhabism professor make a fatwa "wudhu cancel because stepped on the cat's poop", so about wahabism, i just have one comment, it is "LOL"
The qiblah of dua. ❤
Surah Mulk affirms that Allah is in the Sama'a
Is this to be rejected also?
Subhanallah
A literalist interpretation is to be rejected, because it means being "in" His creation.
There are many such verses in the Quran, that their literal meaning must be denied.
@@carimaelfarrah7800 if Allah( swbt) wasn't literally above his throne bi dhaati then why did prophet( swaws) go upwards for mirage and who gave the prophet( swaws) 3 gifts in the night of mirage....
@@Spark12429 are you suggesting Allah is in a place that the Prophet ﷺ traveled to within the heavens?
Are you suggesting Allah ﷻ is "in" His creation?
You might want to freshen up your basic aqeeda knowledge brother.
No worries, seekersguidance has free courses.
@@carimaelfarrah7800 Am asking you.... if Allah( swbt) wasn't literally above his throne by his bi dhaati then why did he prophet( swaws) go upwards for mirage and who gave the prophet( swaws) the 3 gifts in the night of mirage...
The throne is above the creation outside the creation and the 6 direction are finite not infinite...
Just plz answer my question above...
@@Spark12429 Allah answers that question of why He took the Messenger ﷺ on the Isra wal Miraj.
“Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al-Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our Signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing” [17:1].
“The heart belied not what he saw. Do you then dispute with him concerning what he sees (with the eyes)? And he saw him once again by the farthest Lote-Tree, nearby which is the Garden of Repose. At that time the Lote-Tree was covered with that which covered it. The sight was neither dazzled nor it exceeded the limit, and he saw of the greatest Signs of his Lord” [53:11-18].
SO He could see the signs of his Lord.
Again, study aqeedah, ask yourself this simple question: where was Allah before He created the universe?
Then ask yourself, Does Allah change if He is perfect?
SO before there was a throne, He existed without a place...so He still exists as He always has, because otherwise you would be suggesting He is dependant on the throne for His existence.
sunni Muslims accept every statement of Quran what we reject is deviant interpretation of statements that likens Allah to his creation if a statement is not explicit < mutashabihat>it should be interpreted with what Allah has negated/ assigned for himself *laysa kamitlihi shay* nothing compares/or is like Allah, Allah speaks to us in human language and I'm *alive* so when Allah uses *Alive* to describe himself it cannot be understood in terms of my life, my life is created it has needs it exist in creation and it will come to an end, so if a person says "Allah has life but not like our lives" he must be able to explain the difference in the meanings or he will be stuck with the corporeal meaning/literal even if he says as it befits his majesty.
Whys the hat come off ? Becoming more frequent, you look good kn front of camera with the Hat
What if someone worships the sun and moon, would they not point up? So much for that if they worshipped other than Allah they would point to something around them. SubhanAllah the mental gymnastics these types of people make to these clear cut Hadith. The qibla for dua is up that’s why we point up lol, comical at this point. Stick to the athar and what the companions explicitly believed and you won’t go wrong. May Allah guide the misguided.
What "people" are doing mental gymnastics? You do realize that you're talking about the thousands of scholars of Ahlus Sunnah Wal Jamah, all the schools of thought, who learned directly from the Companions?
@@Teeno86 which companion ever had this explanation for this Hadith? Please share if not, fear Allah when you say “thousands” of scholars learned this from companions.
@@hamidahmad5206 Before the creation of the Throne, and before the creation of the heavens and the earth, and before the creation of directions, there was Allah, may He be exalted, and there was nothing before Him, nothing after Him, and nothing besides Him, as al-Bukhaari (7418) narrated that ‘Imraan ibn Husayn (may Allah be pleased with him) said:
I was with the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) when some people from Banu Tameem came to him and he said: “O Banu Tameem, accept the good news.”
They said: You have given us the good news; now give us something.
Then some people from Yemen came in and he said: “Accept the good news, O people of Yemen, for Banu Tameem did not accept it.”
They said: We accept it, for we have come to you to learn about the religion and to ask you how the matter was from the very beginning.
He said: “There was Allah and nothing existed before Him, and His Throne was on the water. Then He created the heavens and the earth, and He wrote all things in al-Lawh al-Mahfooz.”
Al-Haafiz (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
This indicates that there was nothing besides Him: neither water nor the Throne nor anything else, because these are things other than Allah, may He be exalted. End quote.
It is famously attributed to Ali ibn Abi Talib that he said, "Allah existed eternally and there was no place, and He is now as He always was." (Al Faruq Baynal Firaq)
This is the aqeeda our Blessed Prophet taught, when He pbuh said, "Allah existed eternally and nothing else existed."
@@hamidahmad5206 you have to ask a scholar, not me. You see we depend on scholars. the scholars are the inheritors of the Prophet, Peace be upon him. And all the four schools of thought came directly from the Companions. They passed on not just words/text but the correct understanding too. Even the Hadith/text are preserved through scholars. There is an answer for you. But the scholars will know best how to explain to you how the Companions understood the Deen and what they said and why it's proof for their positions. Just read the early and most popular Aqeedah books, like Aqeedah Tahawiyyah. The positions about these are all in there.
Before the creation of the Throne, and before the creation of the heavens and the earth, and before the creation of directions, there was Allah, may He be exalted, and there was nothing before Him, nothing after Him, and nothing besides Him, as al-Bukhaari (7418) narrated that ‘Imraan ibn Husayn (may Allah be pleased with him) said:
I was with the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) when some people from Banu Tameem came to him and he said: “O Banu Tameem, accept the good news.”
They said: You have given us the good news; now give us something.
Then some people from Yemen came in and he said: “Accept the good news, O people of Yemen, for Banu Tameem did not accept it.”
They said: We accept it, for we have come to you to learn about the religion and to ask you how the matter was from the very beginning.
He said: “There was Allah and nothing existed before Him, and His Throne was on the water. Then He created the heavens and the earth, and He wrote all things in al-Lawh al-Mahfooz.”
Al-Haafiz (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
This indicates that there was nothing besides Him: neither water nor the Throne nor anything else, because these are things other than Allah, may He be exalted. End quote.
وسمعت القاضي الإمام تاج الدين عبد الخالق بن علوان قال: سمعت الإمام أبا محمد عبد الله محمد المقدسي مؤلف (المقنع) رحم الله ثراه وجعل الجنة مثواه، يقول: بلغني عن أبي حنيفة رحمه الله أنه قال: من أنكر أن الله عز وجل في السماء فقد كفر.
قال عبد الرحمن وحدثنا يونس بن عبد الأعلى قال: سمعت محمد بن إدريس الشافعي يقول وقد سئل عن صفات الله وما يؤمن به فقال: لله تعالى أسماء وصفات جاء بها كتابه وأخبر بها نبيه أمته لا يسع أحدا من خلق الله قامت عليه الحجة ردها.
قال الإمام ابن الإمام عبد الرحمن بن أبي حاتم الرازي حدثنا أبو شعيب وأبو نور عن أبي عبد الله محمد بن إدريس الشافعي رحمه الله تعالى قال: القول في السنة التي أنا عليها ورأيت أصحابنا عليها أهل الحديث الذين رأيتهم وأخذت عنهم مثل سفيان ومالك وغيرهما الإقرار بشهادة أن لا إله إلا الله وأن محمدا رسول الله وأن الله تعالى على عرشه في سمائه يقرب من خلقه كيف شاء وأن الله تعالى ينزل إلى السماء الدنيا كيف شاء.
بلغنا عن أبي مطيع الحكم بن عبد الله البلخي صاحب (الفقه الأكبر) قال: سألت أبا حنيفة عمن يقول: لا أعرف ربي في السماء، أو في الأرض. فقال: قد كفر، لأن الله تعالى يقول: الرحمن على العرش استوى. وعرشه فوق سمواته. فقلت: إنه يقول: أقول على العرش استوى، ولكن قال لا يدري العرش في السماء أو في الأرض. قال: إذا أنكر أنه في السماء فقد كفر. رواها صاحب (الفاروق) بإسناد عن أبي بكر بن نصير بن يحيى عن الحكم.
حَدَّثَنِي أَحْمَدُ بْنُ سَعِيدٍ أَبُو جَعْفَرٍ الدَّارِمِيُّ، قَالَ: سَمِعْتُ أَبِي يَقُولُ: سَمِعْتُ خَارِجَةَ، يَقُولُ: ” الْجَهْمِيَّةُ كُفَّارٌ بَلِّغُوا نِسَاءَهُمْ أَنَّهُنَّ طَوَالِقُ، وَأَنَّهُنَّ لَا يَحْلِلْنَ لِأَزْوَاجِهِنَّ لَا تَعُودُوا مَرْضَاهُمْ وَلَا تَشْهَدُوا جَنَائِزَهُمْ، ثُمَّ تَلَا {طه * مَا أَنْزَلْنَا عَلَيْكَ الْقُرْآنَ لِتَشْقَى} إِلَى قَوْلِهِ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ {الرَّحْمَنُ عَلَى الْعَرْشِ اسْتَوَى} وَهَلْ يَكُونُ الِاسْتِوَاءُ إِلَّا بِجُلُوسٍ
حَدَّثَنِي أَبِي رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ، قَالَ: حَدَّثَنَا عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ، عَنْ سُفْيَانَ، عَنْ أَبِي إِسْحَاقَ، عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ خَلِيفَةَ، عَنْ عُمَرَ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ قَالَ: إِذَا جَلَسَ تَبَارَكَ وَتَعَالَى عَلَى الْكُرْسِيِّ سُمِعَ لَهُ أَطِيطٌ كَأَطِيطِ الرَّحْلِ الْجَدِيد
قال صالح بن أحمد بن حنبل: قال أبي: وحدَّثَ وكيع بحديث إسرائيل، عن أبي إسحاق، عن عبد اللَّه بن خليفة: “إذا جلس الرب سبحانه على العرش”. فاقشعر زكريا بن عدي فقال له وكيع -وغضب-: أدركنا الأعمش وسفيان يحدثون هذه الأحاديث لا ينكرونها
Very clear what the first 3 generations and the great fuqahaa think about who denies Allah is fi alsama'a.
The 1st opinion “I.E. tafweed “ is not only the hanbali way which is a minority ; it is the Maturidi way and also the less popular opinion in the ashari
It’s amazing and sad to see that people like this resemble the Christians in certain aspects of religion.
The Christians believe that God is everywhere with His Essence and we have Muslims believing the same garbage because they see it as restricting Allah. Subhan Allah. If Allah affirms something for Himself, why can’t people accept this without likening Him to the creation?
If Allah is everywhere with His Essence, it means He can be worshipped thru anything because of this presence. It means He’s in human being, animals, plants and worst of all in idols. Which entails He’s wrong for telling us not to worship anything other than Him.
Ask yourself this, the Quran is The Speech of Allah, why don’t we worship the Quran if He’s not only present in it, but it’s His actual Speech?
Allah can do anything but He won’t do that which goes against His Majesty and Nature! Allah is not from His creation, not like His creation and far above everything they associate as partners to Him.
Assalamu Alaikum Usthaz 👑
One thing I find interesting about the narration is the question : where is your lord in stead of ‘who is your lord’.
Allualam what the implications are but I just find that interesting.
the question seems relevant for the situation. The girl being questioned is mute. I don't think she could answer "who is your lord". The purpose of questioning here seems to be to identify her islam or idolatry. Idols were on the earth
@@Haseeb.M Where does the hadith say she's mute? Why are you making stuff up?
He’s above the throne why jump to get a meaning you want?
He is with you wherever you are. Why jump to a meaning you want
@@Absolute42the meaning is derived from the very next sentence and other similar verses (e.g. 58:7).
@@Absolute42 The salaf never said HE IS everywhere you Jahmi, he is above his throne and his knowledge is everywhere. Claiming he is everywhere is a statement of kufr and pure jahl.
@@Absolute42 Is he with you in the bathroom mate? This statement is Kufr seek knowledge and don't spread ignorance and deviance.
@@Jack-qz1lg same with taha. The very next verse tells us what him being on the arsh means.
Why not bring the statements of Salaf?
الله على العرش استوى.
When you speak with the innovators, you will tend to hear a lot of ilm al kalam (philosophy) in what they attribute as integral matters in their aqedah, did imam abu hanifa attribute to the ash'ari philosophy taken from pluto? did imam malik take from the maturidi philosophy taken from aristotle?
The fact of the matter is, most of the influential ash'ari scholars even if we deem them as ash'ari, have died with the aqedah of the bedouins, that is to say the illiterate bedouin who heard الله على العرش استوى, understood it, and believed in it.
Just as Abu Hasan Al-Ash'ari did, as he repented before his death by a few years, he authored two books and if you read them you can rest assured that he went back on most of his statements, except a few that he didn't know the salaf's postition on, that is after he read the works of imam ahmad.
The reason why the slave girl said Allah(sat) is in the heaven is based on he knowledge.This does not mean Allah( sat) is in the sky.
Abdullah ibn Nafi’ reported: Imam Malik, may Allah have mercy on him, was asked about the saying of Allah Almighty, “The Most Merciful rose above the Throne,” (20:5). The man said, “How is His rising?” Malik said, “The rising is acknowledged, its modality is unknown, and asking about it is an innovation. I see you are a man who intended evil with this question.”
Allah is above his creation and above the throne. Sama' means elevation or everything above. This is pure ignorance and deviance listen to scholars not to anyone on youtube this is ash'arism a deviant group that corrupts the attributes of Allah and go against the belief of the salaf (predecessors) the first three generations that the Messenger peace be upon him praised.
Ali ibn Abi Talib said "Allah existed eternally and there was no place, and He is now as He always was."
Al Faruq Baynal Firaq, Imam Baghdadiy
In other words, not in a place, not in a direction.
This expression of Allah existing eternally and there being nothing else with HIM is from the Messenger of Allah SAS. In Bukhari he said, "Allah existed eternally and nothing else existed. "كَانَ اللَّهُ وَلَمْ يَكُنْ شَىْءٌ غَيْرُهُ،
@@carimaelfarrah7800 Right. You believe in a non-existing God.
@@MaSa-bp5qe is that really the best you could come up with? Why bother to even post such a ridiculous comment.
@@carimaelfarrah7800 where is God?
@@MaSa-bp5qe The question doesn't apply to GOD.
Only created things have locations.
في السمو أي في العلو فوق السموات والعرش
Bye bye to praying to the dead then.😈🤷🏿♂️😏
Subhanallah
With all respect to imam nawawi he is not neutral, he is asheri
So what, the scholars that are opposed to taweel can be salafi, they are biased too. Everyone is and adheres to some kind of group/school of thought. Except if you listen closely to what a scholar without appealing to emotion or name calling says then you can get to the truth. The explanation the sheikh has given is based and eliminate the need for being harsh or calling names.
I took from salaf directly @@deFreijtas
Why cant you stop using word slave ,its an insult for dean
How
The insult is you don't know your deen
Jazaika Allah
salafi, 4 imams, hanbalis are all athari
Allah said that he is above his throne, who are you to go against Allahs words? The Prophet sallalahu alayhi wa salam and the sahaba understood the verse that Allah is above his throne, do you know more than them? I urge all people to not follow deviant teaching like this rather stick to the path of the sahaba and the messenger sallalahu alayhi wa salam. You can find the sahabas interpretations and understanding of the verses of the sunnah and quranic verses like these in authentic tafseers like Ibn Kathir, Qurtubi and tabari.
Allah (SWT) also said he is closer to us than our jugular, he is time, he is light and everything but his face will be destroyed yet you don’t take the literal or apparent meaning.
Imam Qurtubi was an Ashari, Imam Tabari negated place for Allah, the way of the majority of the Salaf was Tafwid Al Ma’na.
Most of the past (the early) and later [theologians] said, 'When it is necessary to purify the Creator (al-Baaree), the Sublime, from having direction (jihah) and demarcation (tamayyuz), then from the requirements and necessary consequences of this, in the view of the generality of the past scholars and their later leaders, is to purify the Creator (al-Baaree) from having direction (jihah). In their view, He is not in the direction of above. This is because to them, when Allaah is designated with direction, this would necessitate that He is restricted to a place (makaan) and a confine (hayyiz). (Subsequently), a place and a confine necessitate (for Him) (such) movement and stillness that is related to distinction (tamayyuz), transformation (taghayyur) and new occurrences (Hudooth) . This is the saying of the Theologians (mutakallimoon, the people of kalaam).
And the very first Salaf (may Allaah be pleased with them) never used speak with the negation of direction (al-jihah) and nor did they express that (negation). Rather, they, and all of them, spoke with affirmation of it (al-jihah) for Allaah, the Exalted, just as His Book spoke with it and His Messengers informed of it. And not a single one of the Righteous Predecessors (as-Salaf us-Salih) denied that He ascended over His Throne, in reality (haqeeqatan). And the Throne has been specified (with al-Istiwaa) because it is the greatest of His creations. And they (the Salaf) [stated their] ignorance of the how (kayfiyyah) of al-istiwaa, for there is no one who knows its reality. Imaam Malik said, may Allaah have mercy upon him, "Al-Istiwaa is known..." - meaning, in the language - "...and how (it is) is unknown, and asking about it is an innovation". And Umm Salamah, may Allaah be pleased with her, said the same. And this much is sufficient (on this issue) and whoever wishes more then he can refer to the relevant places in the books of the Scholars.
This is what Qurtubi said
Someone doesn't have tolerance it seems, or has not learnt of difference of opinion. Nothing to do with Tauheed at all here. If Allah swt says he's above his throne, then he is and Allah knows best. Who are we to say his throne looks like the throne of a king or stoneage bully that our puny human mind imagines?
(to the ismailis and christians on the process of revelation and the uncreatedness of the quran)the prophet recieved the revelation as language which originated as illumination from Allah's uncreated endless oceans of knowledge.
(To the anthropramorphic wahabi salafis)Allah swt is beyond capture and is unlike anything in creation, yet he is closer to you then your juggular vein in how your life is in his control and he is all encompassing over his creation the apex above the throne.
(to the sufis and muhyiddinis)Allah is the real one and we are the unreal made real, our degree of reality is dependent and limited by Allah azzawajal who cherishes and sustains our existence.
You Ashaaris never learn
May ALLAH guide you back to the true understanding of the prophet pbuh, his companions and the salaf
May Allaah guide you too
@@inzy786 ameen
Before the creation of the Throne, and before the creation of the heavens and the earth, and before the creation of directions, there was Allah, may He be exalted, and there was nothing before Him, nothing after Him, and nothing besides Him, as al-Bukhaari (7418) narrated that ‘Imraan ibn Husayn (may Allah be pleased with him) said:
I was with the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) when some people from Banu Tameem came to him and he said: “O Banu Tameem, accept the good news.”
They said: You have given us the good news; now give us something.
Then some people from Yemen came in and he said: “Accept the good news, O people of Yemen, for Banu Tameem did not accept it.”
They said: We accept it, for we have come to you to learn about the religion and to ask you how the matter was from the very beginning.
He said: “كَانَ اللَّهُ وَلَمْ يَكُنْ شَىْءٌ غَيْرُهُ،
There was Allah and nothing existed besides Him, and His Throne was on the water. Then He created the heavens and the earth, and He wrote all things in al-Lawh al-Mahfooz.”
Because the creation of the throne did not change anything about Allah, He is now as He always was.
the ash’ari and maturidis isnad goes back to the Prophet Peace be upon him, pseudo salafis chain goes back to abdul wahab in the 1700’s 😂 and you have the audacity to claim someone else needs guidance.
@@Sakajaweeeeuh you have the audacity to write such an ignorant response with joking emoji like you did something smh
Allah literally describes themselves as:
"God-In-Heaven" & "God-In-Earth"
Now, the Word "In" much
like the Word "في":
It doesn't mean "Within the Heavens", nor "Within the Earth".
Via Asbāb-in-Nuzūl/Revelatory-Context, "في" means "على" "In" means "Above". Ironically, it's literally no different
than/from when Allah states:
"That-Book is Guidance for the Pious, because there's 0-Doubt within it."
As per Asbāb-in-Nuzūl:
"ذلك" actually means "هذا"
"That" actually means "This"
Even as far as how Allah describes Themselves existing above everything else which exists:
Al-`Alī/The Ultimately-Above
Al-Muta`āl/The Ultimately-Exalted
Al-A`lā/The Most-High
(Each of these are amongst
the Asmā'/Names-Of-Allah)
(Noble-Qur'ān: Chpt.2, V.2; Chpt.43, V.78-89; at-Tabarī; as-Suyūtī; Lisān-ul-`Arab: Lexicon of the Arabic-Language, ibn-Manzhūr)
garethbryant.wordpress.com/2024/05/14/debunkingasharirhetoric/
“Themselves”? Allah only uses the magisterial plural when using the pronoun نحن or “We”. When referring to Himself in the third person He ﷻ always uses the third person pronoun هو or “He” and not “they/them”. So again, what’s with “themselves”?
What does “as per asbab Nuzul” mean in this context to you? You literally gave no “asbab”. Asbabun Nuzul literally refers to situational or historical contexts for specific verses revealed, so there are always supporting Hadith documentation for when and why a particular verse was revealed. You brought none of that to bear in your answer. I believe you have a point to make in that regard, so Bismillah, go ahead and explain to us about the Asbabun Nuzul dimension to the prepositions you referenced. بارك الله فيك
In your attached link you used the expression: “Dem Mothafuckas are Evil.” نعوذ بالله
Brother, I’ve exchanged comments with you elsewhere on UA-cam before and I’ve referenced similar language you’ve used in other online posts. What’s wrong with you? You represent the Deen yet post such language IN AN ARTICLE ABOUT ISLAM!? C’mon brother. Whatever value you bring just gets lost. Have adab.
Muhammad (Peace be be upon them) stated:
"Always speak Truth, even if it's bitter (even if it rubs People the Wrong-Way)."
(ibn-Hibbān&al-Bayhaqī)
Everything which I've detailed literally has a Revelatory/Linguistic-Source cited. So, what's actually your Point?!!!
Yes...anyone whom imposes Unjust-Takfīr against a Fellow-Muslim is an Evil-Mothafucka. And, Ash`arīs (not exclusively) are known/notorious for imposing Unjust-Takfīr against Fellow-Muslims simply for being Non-Ash`arīs.
You've literally proven that your Knowledge of English is mediocre, to say the very least. The Words "They" & "Them" are both Singular as well as Plural 3rd-Person Pronouns.
garethbryant.wordpress.com/2022/04/04/pronounism/
Shaykh Uthman al Khamees has a good explanation of these issues. I advise people to YT search in Arabic his name and expressions related to this topic to find those videos.
بارَكَ اللّٰهُ فيكُم
Any link plz brother
He is a Wahhabi Salafi. Shaykh Shady is exactly explaining why al-Khamis is wrong!
Is he a Sunni following mazhab?
@@yojan9238 No. He is a Salafi and he contradicts what Shaykh Shady is explaining in the video.
@@Abdullah-d1g8gmost salfi:ahlul Hadith follow madhab, they are know to imam Ahmad bin humble
Allah is above everything simple as that...... No need to complicate anything to suit madhabs
In status - absolutely, but if someone said or believed that Allah is physically inhabiting a place above the creations, that contradicts the Qur’an in the verse the brother mentioned
Surat Ash-Shura Ayah 11
ليس كمثله شيء
Meaning: There is absolutely nothing which resembles him (Allah)
Everything besides the Self of Allah was created, so where it says what means “nothing resembles Allah” it is in reference to the creation.
Right now I am seated above my chair, there is air above my head, below my feet there is concrete. There is a base on top of my table, so on and so forth. Above, below, left, right, in, and out is for creations.
Allah existed before he created the places, with perfect attributes that befit him - so for someone to say Allah created the places and then changed to inhabit a place above them - this would be wrong. If something is perfect and will maintain its perfection, it won’t change - because anything that changes (in regards to perfection and imperfection) would go from better to worse or worse to better. That change wouldn’t occur for Allah who is already attributed with perfect Attributes.
@@Wassimsanchez Allah says in Quran ..... There is nothing like him ......full stop..... We as muslims just repeat what he Himself stated for Himself ....... He says in Quran He is above everything, then we say He is above everything without any interpretation of anything...... Just because Allah says He is above doesn't mean like us or we should imagine what above means ..... Similarly goes for different Attributes of Allah swt
@@WassimsanchezAllah hears So do humans. Does that make Him like his creation?
Imam nawawi towards the end of his life retracted from Ashari ways he written a book on it
Allah mustaen
Mr Shadee - asharism as a late development is problematic. I know your NJ boys poopoo anyone who points this out but you have to confront the truth. You guys doing ta’weel all over the place.
Jazakum Allah khair
This pointless discussion is dividing the ummah for nothing. Focus on more important things
agreed
Aqeedah is an important part of the deen
It is important to not have anthropomorphic beliefs about Allah. It is obligatory for us to reject any likeness of Allah to creation, because of His statements:
"There is nothing like unto Him." 112:4
"There is nothing comparable to Him." 42:11
Ok so the argument about the person on the other side of the world pointing up in the opposite direction is a philosophical fallacy. Why dont you face the kaaba and then do a 360 and read salaah in the opposite direction you will still go around the world and face the kabaa on the opposite side
A 360 will not make you face the opposite direction
ok jahmi. nawawi is 6-7th century. why do ignore the salaf? there’s no ijtihad in aqeeda. ijtihad is a branch of qiyas and there’s no qiyas in aqeeda. who from the salaf did taweel of this hadith and the verses similar to it? they all brought ijma that allah is above the arsh
I totally lost respect for this guy !
Does he need your respect?
No one cares
Shaykh please be clear this is not a matter concerning the hanabilah/atharis this concerns the mubtadi'een wahhabis so please don't refer to them as hambalis because they are not muqallids or encourage taqleed of mazaahib
"Nothing but facts"
This comment proves that you never bothered to read the book of the Salaf the first 3 generations. Read imam bukhari. Imam bukhari established that Allah is above his throne
@@cjchris8317 the salaf confirmed الرحمن على العرش استوى without كيف your English translation of it doesn't do justice to the Arabic and is not genuine to the Aqeedah of the salaf and it is confirmed not one salaf said that istiwa means sitting like the grandchild of taymiyah applied
@@DoItNowTimeFlies You're refuting a claim I didn't make. You and I are literally on the same page. From what I understand from your comment is that you believe that Allah is above his throne without asking how, and that's exactly the position of Shaykh Ibn-taymiyyah and the salafu saalih , by the way
@@cjchris8317 the position of ibn taymiah is that Allah is sitting جالس on the throne
@@DoItNowTimeFlies That's his position, but to be fair to him, he's stated that the sitting of Allah is not to be resembled to his creation. In other words, Allah is sitting on his throne in a way that befits his majesty. And he's getting this from some of the early generations, so it's not something he took out of his pocket. But I'm on the opinion that says we do not think that this word (sitting) should be used. Rather, one should say that He rose (astawa) over the Throne, and istiwa’ is to be understood as referring to ascending and rising.
But if someone does use this word, which is narrated from some of the early generations, then he should not be denounced.
Rather it should be said to him: It is not appropriate to say this in front of the common folk, because it may cause confusion for them, and they may interpret it in a manner that likens Allah to His creation.
Thus, it is clear that this expression does not constitute disbelief; rather, it is an interpretation of the divine attribute of istiwa’, and is a different opinion concerning it.
It is more appropriate to refrain from using this word sitting.
So if Ar Rahman has not established himself on Arsh, then what Arsh? What is the point of it? If Allah is not above all, then where is he? Everywhere? in the toilet too? in the church? Sounds like Buddhism to me. This is the problem with the sufi philosophy lol it crumbles when confronted with Quran and Sunnah then you have to twist Quran and Sunnah to conform to your sufi beliefs.
Direction does not apply to Allah just like a stone cannot be attributed with attributed with intelligence or stupidity.
@@ishaakolougbodi1656 my Allah is above the arsh and thus above all creation , yours is in the toilet, in pigs, in dogs too. You can check Surah Taha Verse 5, it clearly states "Arrahmanu Alal Arsh Istawa"
Who said Allāh is everywhere with his essence and where in the video does it assert that? None of the three schools of ahlus sunnah wal jammah say this. You’re just wasting your breath arguing with yourself
@@mohammadkhan8765 if your iq wasnt so low you would comprehend that istawa has multiple meanings, and when you study the Qur’an you study tafseer and you take from teachers who have a chain back to the Prophet. not 1 single sahabi will substantiate your wahabbi claims of physicality for Allah
istawa in this context means subjugation.