Not to mention the fact that Shia claim that The Prophet ﷺ already appointed Ali رضي الله عنه as his successor at Ghadeer Khumm in front of tens of thousands of people three months earlier - and the Shias even celebrate this day as Eid Ghadeer. If he ﷺ really did appoint Ali رضي الله عنه as his successor in front of tens of thousands of witnesses, how can there be any doubt about Ali رضي الله عنه in this regard or how can anyone stop him from being Khalifa? Moreover, why would the Prophet ﷺ even need to write anything on his deathbed after he had already decided and declared his successor? In addition, Umar رضي الله عنه had no idea the Prophet ﷺ was about to leave this world, as evident from the fact that Umar رضي الله عنه thought the Prophet ﷺ would outlive them all. When the Prophet ﷺ passed away, Umar رضي الله عنه was in complete shock and disbelief - he stood outside with a sword saying he would strike the neck of anyone who says the Prophet ﷺ had died. It was only after Abu Bakr رضي الله عنه recited the ayaat of the Qur'an: وما محمد إلا رسول قد خلت من قبله الرسل أفائن مات أو قتل انقلبتم على أعقابكم - that Umar رضي الله عنه realise the Prophet ﷺ truly did leave this world. Umar رضي الله عنه said what he did about not troubling the Prophet ﷺ because he thought the Prophet ﷺ was merely ill, and there was no need to bother him when such matters could easily be taken care of after the Prophet ﷺ had recovered. The Shia narrative goes up in flames the minute you apply a little bit of critical thinking.
@IsolatedIntellectual the difference between sunni narrative and shia narrative is: Husn adh Dhan vs. Suu adh-Dhan. People with a Suu ad-Dhan mentality in normal days lives are sick people who interpret everything one does in a negative light. You give charity? You must be showing off...you bring me a gift? You surely want something from me... Shia are like this with the sahaba. Everything is interpreted in a negative light. Even their positive deeds they find a way to make it negative by filling in their intentions because of the sickness and curse in their hearts.
@@sadjada1566 It has already been answered tens of thousands of times. Read the ahadith pertaining to the events that lead up to Ghadir Khumm. And the Prophet ﷺ did not specifically gather "tens of thousands" of Companions to announce leadership (and if he did, why are you lot crying about the "pen and paper" incident?). Ghadir Khumm was a common resting place for travelers going from Makkah to Madinah. If the Prophet ﷺ wanted to announce his successor, he would have done so at the Hajj where a much, much larger gathering of Companions were present, and where Allah revealed that the religion has been completed. You people believe that khilafa/imamah is a central and fundamental pillar of the religion, so that means you are alleging that the Prophet ﷺ failed to fulfill his Prophetic duties when this ayah was revealed at Hajj but rather did so WEEKS after. Anyone with working brain cells can see that the implications of the entire Shia narrative is nothing but one massive insult to both the Prophet ﷺ and the blessed Ahlul Bayt.
These rebuttals are very important, as several Shia-extremists are getting more attention online. Also, Iran's role in Palestine has given many of them an extra boost.
@@TheMahdi12349 Now imagine hating the man the Gate of Knowledge chose to be his own son-in-law. If you know better regarding the nature of Umar, what shall we call you? The Foyer of Knowledge?
I feel people should read a sermon called Sermon of ash-Shiqshiqiyah to get a step closer towards the truth, and may Allah Swt guide us all from that point onwards.
jazakallah May Allah SWT reward you for defending the companions. Ameen May Allah SWT increase us in knowledge and understanding and open the heart to his realities as he done for you. Ameen.
Sayidina Umar loves Sayidina Ali and Sayidina Ali loves Sayidina Umar. To claim to love one and have negative thoughts about the other is antithetical.
The son of Omar sided with ALI AS in a battle of Jamal against our mother 3isha thousands of Muslims butchered because she didn’t like that their Khalifa ALI was taking his time looking for uthmans killers. Read Islamic history it was a blood bath and stop being naive this naivety has resulted in your brothers and sisters being rap$d in Gaza. Stop the fwends bull crap you don’t threaten to burn your friends house reference Bukhari
lol friends threatening to burn his other friends house these sahaba are not very well mannered. al-Tabari writes that Umar shouted, "By God, either you come out to render the oath of allegiance [to Abu Bakr], or I will set the house on fire."
@@TheMahdi12349tabari wrote all sayings, even if they were fabricated and false, he didnt differentiate. You are not a shaykh to comment on a saying with 0 understanding of the context, credibility or sanad of the saying
@@abdullinhowell sorry to burst ur bubble but it is sahuh ul sanad so is the musannaf report. But you play witg your very loose rijal rules that can both authenticate or weaken %90 of your ahadith. Afterall why is sahih sanad even needed for a historical report that has been corroporated many times. Ibn taymiya says a corroporated report is hujjah even if narrated by fussaq and fujjar especially with regards to history reports.
Bro literally said that Umar asked the prophet (saww) to have his wives completely covered. You have no problem in believing that Umar had more Ghairah than the prophet (saww) ? You have no Problem in believing that Umar on some occasions had better Judgement than the Prophet (saww) ?
@@phenomabbas the way you are drawing conclusions is hilarious, because this was nobody' should have given his opinion to prophet SAW because noONE is more intelligent and knowledgeable tham prophet SAW.
The irony.... Umar and Abu bakr ra were companions of the Prophet saw no doubt about that, Aisha and Hafsa ra were the wives of the Prophet saw. Yet shias curse those sahabas and wives. So then who is questioning the Prophet saw judgement. Only the shia are dumb enough to question his judgement. Shiaism a creation of the west to divide muslims, in reality there is no shiaism its just a mechanism to divide. The whole foundation of the belief is corrupted and completely wrong.
Yes, no problem. He was a great man. But this shouldn't be an issue for you. Umar RA had wisdom, and he displayed it. Whilst you believe that your 'Imams' know the unforeseen, know when they will die etc. L0L
@Shah-wp6do So we on the truth because falsehood is vanished . If you implying that then ok but it's not what we teach and this verse should be understood by reading completely to understand the context which it is in.
Nothing gets past you Sherlock. That son was biologically Abu Bakr’s son. When AB passed away his widow got married to Imam Ali (ai) who raised that son. Do your research.
@@midnightnv6211 Oh the gracious sahabi Muhammad Abu Bakr which is the son of our Abu Bakr that was the Shia of Imam Ali that physically pulled out his sister Aisha from the camel during the battle of camels. Now it makes sense why he called his son Abu Bakr
Rafidi: its quran and ahl ul bayt Shia “hadith” books; *Al kafi book 2 chapter 22 hadith number 3 Chapter on Following the Sunnah and Evidence of the Book* Abu ‘Abdallah (AS) has said, ‘Everything must be referred to the holy Quran and the Sunnah, the noble traditions of the holy Prophet (s.a.) and any Hadith that does not agree with the holy Quran it is a useless statement.’”
@@mughal_r9374 its Quran and Ahlul Bayt. Ahlul Bayt doesn’t have made up Sunnah. It’s degreded by our prophet. Which is basically a Sunnah of our prophet. But we only take the Sunnah from Ahlul Bayt and good charactered Sahabas that defended ahlul bayt. Not form 100,000 sahabi that his character doesn’t reflect islam
Say, “Is it other than Allah I should desire as a lord while He is the Lord of all things? And every soul earns not except against itself, and no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.” ~ Qur’an 6:164
It is He who shows you His signs and sends down to you from the sky, provision. But none will remember except he who turns back. So invoke Allah, sincere to Him in religion, although the disbelievers dislike it. ~ Qur’an 40:14
Just wanted questions out of sincerity. It’s clear that Umar RA had the best interest in heart hence why he went straight away to sort the election. I’m sure I can understand from a Shia side why Ali RA was meant for the khalifa. But my point is, since ALI RA found out that he was not in the election and let it go and was happy with the decision. Wouldn’t that be a test for him to accept what was written? It goes back to these verse : And it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not know.” (AI-Baqarah, 2:216) Do you think what Umar RA did was right in anyway? He was a great fighter, he had great wisdom, and was a warrior. But it just really confuses me if the prophet Muhammad SAW chose him as a wali, it can of course confuse anyone. And I’m sure there is so much value coming from ALI RA side too, because he was part of the family, he knew the inside and out, had a deep relationship with the prophet saw? Because the way all of this coming across emotional Shia’s are backlashing, and Sunni showing Umar having honour. But no is questioning whether ALI RA didn’t say anything is what makes a sign of true wisdom? I only say this is because every academic, seems to make it more logically make sense ALI being the khalifa. But we automatically try to justify it with Umar RA qualities when there is nothing with that at all. Just open to understand
If you want to understand more on this issue than Ali RA was fine with Umar or Abu Bakr being the caliph or not, just read the Sermon of ash-Shiqshiqiyah and you will find all the answers. Do let me know what is your opinion on this. Salaam
There's one thing you need to understand. Let's say ALI RA was elected by the prophet and obviously in history books abu bakr became the first caliph. If Ali (RA) decided to fight for his rightful position wouldn't this cause a civil war? It would collapse the whole religion in many ways. People within Islam would be split between Abu bakr and Ali and enemies from the outside would attack which would end islam and the prophets message. If you think about it him getting declared successor and not doing anything when his position was unlawfully taken has wisdom behind it and does make logical sense
@@Mahdi-sx4ql oh if only you knew what that honour will be. but one day you will. May Allah Taala unite me with Sayyidina Umar RadiAllahu Taala Anhu in the hereafter and may you be where he won't. say ameen
Ibn Sa’ad: Narrated to us Ishaq bin Yusuf, from Muhammad bin Abdallah and Houdha bin Khalifa, who said: Narrated to us Ibn Awn, from Muhammad bin Sireen, who said: Umar ibn Khataab said: There did not remain a thing in me from the practises of jahiliyya (era of ignorance), except that I don't care whom of the people I have penetrated (Nakh) or who of them have penetrated (Nakh) me. [Tabaqat Al Kubra. Vol. 3, Pg. # 269 H. 3714.]
The naming of the children of Ali(ra) and his children's marriage into Umar (ra) family is much stronger arguments against the rafidh than the circular argument of Umar (ra) and the Quran as said at the start.
Abu bakrs son of Ali’s name was Muhammed but it was a kunya so the PEOPLE named him abu bakr. Umar son of Ali was never Umar it was Amir. Uthman ibn Ali was named after Uthman ibn Maz'un and this is backed up by bihar al anwar.
@ghazialbadry6623 the son of Ali ibn abi talib كرم الله وجه was Abu Bakr. Yes Abu Bakr ibn ali رضي الله عنه. You are saying its a kunya. This kunya was only to 1 person before him in the history. Abu bakr as saddiq رضي الله عنه
@@AAA777I I’m saying his name wasn’t Abu bakr. I’m saying his REAL name was Muhammed ibn Ali عليه السلام. You’ve now lied saying abu bakr was the only one named as “abu bakr”… So who was Abu Bakr bin Uthman al-Taymi???
One important thing Dr Shadee did not mention is Allah already revealed the religion was complete. With the shia claim one has to say the prophet (s) failed to deliver the whole message which is kufr.
Shias will say that the message was revealed in Ghadeer when prophet(S) declared Ali as a “Mawla”. But the “pen and paper” incident according to Shias is just for more emphasis and to protect that message even more. Shias may even say the prophet (S) exposed the true colors of those companions around him when he made the request for “pen and paper”
@mujahidkhalfan5246 shi'as are known for making speculative guesses without proof and out of thin air along the way all the time. Everytime one dismantle their claims they come with something new, like a liar telling another lie to hide the first one and at the end is caught in a web of lies.
Ibn Sa’ad: Narrated to us Ishaq bin Yusuf, from Muhammad bin Abdallah and Houdha bin Khalifa, who said: Narrated to us Ibn Awn, from Muhammad bin Sireen, who said: Umar ibn Khataab said: There did not remain a thing in me from the practises of jahiliyya (era of ignorance), except that I don't care whom of the people I have penetrated (Nakh) or who of them have penetrated (Nakh) me. [Tabaqat Al Kubra. Vol. 3, Pg. # 269 H. 3714.]
There's a hadith where it is reported that Aisha (r.a) said about Zayd ibn Harithah (the ex-adopted son of the Prophet): "If Zayd were alive, the Prophet would've chosen him as a khalifah." This means Aisha knew that khilafah is appointed by the Prophet, no?
Not exactly, Umm al Mumenin Aishah had this as her iwn opinion because the name Zayd was mentioned un Quran and that is a strong proof he is special. But eventually arab tribes would not accept anyone except someone strong feom Quraysh.
What makes these arguments unbelievable is that people defend the Sahaba like they are the prophet. But why don’t you defend the prophet SAW. When soo many hadiths bring the prophet’s character to an all time low. Look through the Sunni hadiths. Hadiths that are absolutely despicable.
Bukhari 9:87:111 Muslim 26:5428 Muslim 30:5654 Bukhari 8:73:220 Bukhari 6:60:226; also Bukhari 6:60:1 and Bukhari 6:60:170 Bukhari 7:62:142 Bukhari 1:5:268 And there is soo many more hadiths that I can’t believe come out of peoples mouths. These Hadiths insult the prophets character SAW. He is the best creation of Allah. He is not suicidal bewitched or delusional. He doesn’t make mistakes. He is protected by Allah. Yet the Sunni school is busy defending the sahaba when the sahaba are making a mockery out of the Prophets character morals and conduct.
God has purified the Ahlulbayt his family how is that an insult that’s more like honouring him and his family ❤️by Allahs SWT will he purified them so the message of the prophet Mohummad is not tampered with. His true sunnah !
SubhanAllah. The way you guys elevate umar above the prophet saws. Heartfelt. If you are Sunni and come across this, please examine these Hadiths and umars conduct unbiasedly.
We Ahlul Sunna Wa Al Djamah are the right ones Shia expecially are the ones who said that the Ahlul Bajt r.a is God themself estagfiurllah even Ali r.a never reclaim that himself and Distanced from such a claim from this Kjafirs
@@amirdervisevic1487 How do you know you're right? Us shias follow hadiths, quran and the ahlulbayt. Pray 5 times a day, fast, go hajj and do the same things as you but our sect centralises our love of the ahlulbayt with the quran. We believe in one god which is Allah and not any human like sunnis falsely accusate and we have the same quran as you.
@@Zainali-jk3ij even Ahmadis have same Quran. You accuse Sunnis of worshipping human while your imams have said themselves to related to attributes of Allah in your "Hadiths".
The hadith of “pen and paper”, or the hadith al-qirtas, is also called the raziyya yawm al-khamis that translates to ‘The Calamity of Thursday’. •The authenticity of this event cannot be disputed, it is recorded in multiple sources including the Sahih al-Bukhari 5 times, Sahih al-Muslim 3 times Musnad Ahmad 1 time, Sunan al-Bayhaqi 1 time, Tabaqat Ibn Sa'd 8 times. "Come, let me write for you a statement after which you will not go astray." 'Umar said, ""Surly, this man is saying nonsense and you have the Qur'an; so the Book of Allah is enough for us." When they caused a hue and cry before the Prophet, Allah's Apostle said, "Go away!" Narrated 'Ubaidullah: Ibn 'Abbas used to say, "It was very unfortunate that Allah's Apostle was prevented from writing that statement for them because of their disagreement and noise."
Sure, but how does any of that negate what the speaker is saying? As he mentioned in the lecture, the Prophet passes away THREE days later. He had three entire days to explore or re-explore the matter, yet didn't. This scenario was not evidence or the evidence you were looking for that Umar stopped Ali from being appointed the next calipha.
@@jasminmalik3287 The Prophet (s) withdrew from writing his will because of what was said after his request, since his word would have no influence anymore but dispute after his demise. Thus, if the Prophet (s) wrote the mentioned will, about which still some would say that it was nonsense. Some sources write that prophet saww instead gave oral recommendations, which have been recorded differently by various authors. On a side note: If you are really interested in knowing the early Islamic history without any bias then read these events chronologically 1. Ghadeer e Khumm 2. Expedition of Usama bin Zayd (just before death of prophet saw) 3. Hadith of pen and paper 4. Burial of the Prophet (Only 6 men were present) 5. Incident of Saqifa
@@AhmadFakih123 except omar r.a. didnt say that the prophet s.m. was speaking nonsense this part in this comment is total bs and probably an addition inside of the shia sources and if any sunnis sources have it, its recognized as a fabrication
From Ibn ‘Umar (رضي الله عنه) who said: “Whilst we were praying with the Messenger of Allāh (ﷺ) a man from amongst people recited; اللَّهُ أَكْبَرُ كَبِيرًا وَالْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ كَثِيرًا وَسُبْحَانَ اللَّهِ بُكْرَةً وَأَصِيلاً Allahu Akbaru kabeera, wal-hamdu Lillahi katheera, wa Subhan-Allahi bukratan was asila(Allah is Great, the Greatest, and praise belongs to Allāh in abundance, and glorified be Allāh at the beginning and end of the day), So the Messenger of Allāh (ﷺ) asked (after prayer): “Who said such and such?!!” The man replied: “I did O Messenger of Allāh.” So the Messenger of Allāh (ﷺ) said: “I was amazed by it, for it opened the gates of heaven.”
As for the question of the prophethood of Omar, show us in any religion in the world that a person has become a prophet after 30-40 years of worshiping idols. What kind of Sahabi was he when he fled from the battle of Uhud, the battle of Hunain, and the battle of Khybar? I left the funeral of the Prophet and started fighting for the caliphate in Saqeefah, then came after the burial and said, "Why didn't you wait for me?"
Please read the following book written by one of the most prominent Sunni scholars in the fifth century A.H. Al-Hakim al-Haskani (died 490 AH). The book is titled Shawahid al-Tanzil li Qawaid al-Tafdil Ahl Al-Bayt in the Noble Qur’an, and is now available in an English translation (by Morteza Karimi). InshaAllah once you have read this scholarly work you would be in a better position of knowledge, and thus enabled to understand the truth of this matter based on The Ayats and Guidance from The Noble Qur’an…
وہ عمر جس کے اعداء پہ شیدا سقر اس خدا دوست حضرت پہ لاکھوں سلام فارقِ حق و باطل امام الھدیٰ تیغِ مسلول شدّت پہ لاکھوں سلام (رضی اللہ عنہ)
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Umar had the permission to use a judgement... Is the judgement of Umar needed when the prophet is conveying something? Do you actually hear what you say? Then why do we even need a prophet? 🤷 For those who actually have the capacity to think properly without bias towards any sect of the religion will immediately spot this nonsense. Don`t go towards `point number this or that` until you clarified that huge statement. We don`t care, even if you would have 500 points of refutation. If the asl is not correct, everything else should be forsaken.
Ali R.A. refused to strike down RasoolAllah after Prophet's name in treaty of Hudaibiyah even though Prophet instructed him to do so multiple times on the objection of Suhayl. Eventually Prophet had to take the document and himself strike it out. I guess then Ali R.A. was also telling Prophet what to do and what not?
If Umar(R.A) had the right to make ijtihad then his decision to unify Taraweeh prayer as 20 raka’as should be followed by all Ahlu sunnah. Why does some people pray 8?
Assalam Alaikum, Unfortunately in both the Shia and Sunni world, there is no place where we have a controlled sitting and we can work out our issues. If the Sunnis want to believe what they believe, so be it and if the Shias want to believe what they believe so be it. Let us stop maligning eachother and start working towards a better future for the Muslim community. The Holy Qur'an clearly says that don't divide yourselves into sects. It is every Muslim's job to search for the truth and not just listen to people on the Pulpits and Podcasts. Seriously we need to grow up.
So the refutation is that Umar is so great that even Allah swt revealed surahs in according to his sayings and opinions afterwards? You dont find this problematic? Normaly it is the Shias who are accused of worshipping Ali(we dont), but these things about Umar is ok? That he had ijtihad to not let the Prophet talk? Also, if he already have been denied once at his death bed why would he even try it again the next day? Umar would say the same "he is still sick". His messege had already been deleivered before. There were those who accepted it then, and those who denied him to even repeat it. And lastly, why did neither Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthmann name any of their children Ali, Hassan, or Hussain? If the naming of children is so relevent in showing companionship, the kindness was cleary only onesided then.
Regarding last point : Is only Ali AS, Hussain AS, Hasan AS from the Prophet's SAW family? Umar RA's children names include Fatima, Zainab. Wasn't fatima AS also the daughter of Hazrat Muhammad SAW? Uthman RA himself married 2 daughters of Hazrat Muhammad SAW i.e Ruqayyah AS, Umme Kulsom AS. Would you give your daughter to any low individual and if you are not an adult would you accept giving your sister or cousin's hand in marriage to someone you consider disbeliever? let alone Prophet Muhammad SAW who knew about the hypocrites of that time more than you do gave two daughters hand in marriage to Hazrat Uthman RA Regarding the prohibition of writing by Hazrat Umar RA do some research it's refutation is available on popular websites eg "This incident happened on a Thursday, and the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died on the following Monday, i.e., four days later. He could have asked others to write that document, but because he (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) did not do that, we know that it was not revelation that he could have concealed"
@@muhammadaquib9974 We are talking about Umars enmity towards Ali. Your point about him naming them names of the daughters of the prophet has nothing to do with it lol? My point still stands. And how the Prophet was around the hypocrites is another topic by itself, but even in Bukhari 6585 states that even the Prophets doesnt know what his companions will innovate after his time. And also Nasai 3221 the Prophet refuses marrying Fatima to Abu bakr and Umar so what does that tell us?? And my statement about the document stands the same you really didnt address anything new. Now you do some research in your own books and you will find that Ali and Umar wasnt all happy dandy with each other. Bukhari 4240: Ali didnt give alligience for 6 months and felt opressed. Bukhari 3092: Fatima dies angry with Abu bakr. Bukhari 6830: Ali opposed Umar. Ibn Abi shaybah 37045 sahih isnad: Umar threatens to burn the house of Fatima with those inside. Wassalam brother.
@@Yousif0291 "I heard 'Ali say: 'The best of people after the Messenger of Allah is Abu Bakr, and the best of people after Abu Bakr is 'Umar.'" Reference : Sunan Ibn Majah 106 Narrated 'Ali: that the Prophet (ﷺ) said: "Abu Bakr and 'Umar are the masters of the elder people among the inhabitants of Paradise, from the first ones and the last ones, not including the Prophets and the Messengers. Do not inform them O 'Ali." Reference : Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3666 Narrated 'Abdur-Rahman bin 'Awf: that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "Abu Bakr is in Paradise, 'Umar is in Paradise, 'Uthman is in Paradise, 'Ali is in Paradise, Talhah is in Paradise, Az-Zubair is in Paradise, 'Abdur-Rahman bin 'Awf is in Paradise, Sa'd bin Abi Waqqas is in Paradise, Sa'eed bin Zaid is in Paradise, and Abu 'Ubaidah bin Al-Jarrah is in Paradise." Reference : Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3747 Bukhari 6585 does not mention which companions however in the lifetime of the Prophet he himself said that the above people will be in paradise. Either you are calling Rasool Allah a liar (Astagfirullah) or twisting words for your benefit. As for marrying his daughter, if this is significant to you then here: Rasool Allah married Hafsa R.A the daughter of Umar A.S And when you ˹believers˺ ask his wives for something, ask them from behind a barrier. This is purer for your hearts and theirs. And it is not right for you to annoy the Messenger of Allah, nor ever marry his wives after him. This would certainly be a major offence in the sight of Allah. (From Surah Ahzab) If Allah is divinely giving respect to the wives of the Prophet that include daughters of (Abu Bakr and Umar R.A) what's your problem with them? It was narrated that 'Abdullah bin Salimah said: "I heard 'Ali say: 'The best of people after the Messenger of Allah is Abu Bakr, and the best of people after Abu Bakr is 'Umar.'" Reference : Sunan Ibn Majah 106
@@Yousif0291 As for Bukhari 3092, Fatima R.A: It has been narrated on the authority of 'A'isha that Fatima and 'Abbas approached Abu Bakr, soliciting transfer of the legacy of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) to them. At that time, they were demanding his (Holy Prophet's) lands at Fadak and his share from Khaibar. Abu Bakr said to them: I have heard from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ). Then he quoted the hadith having nearly the same meaning as the one which has been narrated by Uqail on the authority of al-Zuhri (and which his gone before) except that in his version he said: Then 'Ali stood up, extolled the merits of Abu Bakr mentioned his superiority, and his earlier acceptance of Islam. Then he walked to Abu Bakr and swore allegiance to him. (At this) people turned towards 'Ali and said: you have done the right thing. And they became favourably inclined to 'Ali after he had adopted the proper course of action. Reference : Sahih Muslim 1759b Also Narrated Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri: The Prophet (ﷺ) delivered a sermon and said, "Allah gave a choice to one of (His) slaves either to choose this world or what is with Him in the Hereafter. He chose the latter." Abu Bakr wept. I said to myself, "Why is this Sheikh weeping, if Allah gave choice to one (of His) slaves either to choose this world or what is with Him in the Here after and he chose the latter?" And that slave was Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) himself. Abu Bakr knew more than us. The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "O Abu Bakr! Don't weep. The Prophet (ﷺ) added: Abu- Bakr has favored me much with his property and company. If I were to take a Khalil from mankind I would certainly have taken Abu Bakr but the Islamic brotherhood and friendship is sufficient. Close all the gates in the mosque except that of Abu Bakr. Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 466 Narrated `Uqba bin Al-Harith: I saw Abu Bakr carrying Al-Hasan and saying, "Let my father be sacrificed for you; you resemble the Prophet and not `Ali," while `Ali was laughing at this. Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 3750
@@Yousif0291 Narrated Humaid bin `Abdur-Rahman: Abu Huraira said, "During that Hajj (in which Abu Bakr was the chief of the pilgrims) Abu Bakr sent me along with announcers on the Day of Nahr ( 10th of Dhul-Hijja) in Mina to announce: "No pagans shall perform, Hajj after this year, and none shall perform the Tawaf around the Ka`ba in a naked state." Humaid bin `Abdur Rahman added: Then Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) sent `Ali bin Abi Talib (after Abu Bakr) and ordered him to recite aloud in public Surat Bara'a. Abu Huraira added, "So `Ali, along with us, recited Bara'a (loudly) before the people at Mina on the Day of Nahr and announced; "No pagan shall perform Hajj after this year and none shall perform the Tawaf around the Ka`ba in a naked state." Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 4655 Indicates how close the companions were with each other when during early Islamic days. It was narrated from Abu Salih al-Hanafi that It was said to ‘Ali and Abu Bakr (رضي الله عنهما) on the day of Badr. Jibreel is with one of you and Mika`eel is with the other, and Israfeel, a mighty angel, is present at the fight - or he said, is present in the ranks. Reference : Musnad Ahmad 1257
The fact is, Umar refused the Holy Propthet to write down whatever he wanted say. Dont you as a Sunni find it problamatic that someone stops the Prophet (saws) on his deathbed, till the Prophet gets upset and asks them to leave.
So you would’ve rather had the profit strain himself? Sometimes a high-ranking official has to make decisions on behalf of, and in the best interest of the leader. Also, what he had to write down was revealed in his final sermon.
1. There is a HUGE difference between the prophet PBUH and his companions. 2. The Quran states clearly (And he does not speak out of (his own) desire. It is not but revelation revealed [ to him ]....53:3-) (وَمَا يَنطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَىٰ إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْيٌ يُوحَىٰ). The prophet PBUH was sent by GOD to us and thus his orders should be taken accordingly. 3. In addition this is not a matter of a country and high ranking officials. Again this is a prophet that was sent to us by GOD. And thus the comparison should not even be on the table.
It’s kind of like when Ali AS refused to remove ‘messenger of god’ from the hudaybiyyah treatise after the prophet commanded it, THREE times, right? 😉😉😉😉😉
SHAYTAAN (IBLEES) RAN AWAY FROM UMAR (R.A) WHEN HE WAS ALIVE. TODAY THE HUMAN SHAYATEEN aka SHIA RUN WHEN THEY HEAR HIS NAME. MAY OUR LIVES AND FAMILY BE SACRIFICED FOR YOU O AMEERUL MUMINEEN 🤲🏼💙
Ibn Sa’ad: Narrated to us Ishaq bin Yusuf, from Muhammad bin Abdallah and Houdha bin Khalifa, who said: Narrated to us Ibn Awn, from Muhammad bin Sireen, who said: Umar ibn Khataab said: There did not remain a thing in me from the practises of jahiliyya (era of ignorance), except that I don't care whom of the people I have penetrated (Nakh) or who of them have penetrated (Nakh) me. [Tabaqat Al Kubra. Vol. 3, Pg. # 269 H. 3714.]
Equally it could have been the case that Prophet(saws) would have said that Abu Bakr would be his first successor and so on. It could have been anything. Why Shia people have difficulty accepting the Qadr. Didn't Prophet(saws) wished his uncle to become muslim but that didn't happen. Whatever happened and whoever succeeded the Prophet (saws) all Muslims if they truly believe in divine decree then must accept all of them even if they are very distasteful to them.
I agree it could have been anything. The problem is that Umar refused the Prophet from writing this down, which is why we will never know. Is Umars ijtihad and judgement than the Prophet who received revelation?
Refreshing approach by shaikh but it's a pity no sufi tariqa has Umar ra in their top of the chain. Sufis and ummah have missed out on this. He was a genius and in his opinion revelations were revealed. Pity
Rawafidh munafiq: "Umar was a bad guy" Sunni: "why did Imam Ali A.S name 2 of his sons after him" Shia: "well..erm..it was a common name!" Sunni: "irrelevant. The name is associated to the most prominent figure which is Umar Ibn Khattab R.A. Yazid was also a very common name. Several martyrs of karbala had the name or kunya mentioning fathers name which was Yazid. Which one of you Shia are gonna call yourself Yazid?" Shia: "😨....sorry my mums calling me. Gtg bye" *whips himself in private*
@@mujahidkhalfan5246 Umar spoke not out of love nor of comcern, but out of knowledge. The others who disagreed with him spoke out of concern. The Prophet (s.a.w.a.) was testing the companions (r.a.), whether you can edit your will on your deathbed or not. Umar (r.a.) and his shia passed the test, the other shia didn’t; thinking that the Prophet (s.a.w.a.) was an exception, which is not, or maybe out of obedience, which is not the case here. Rasulullah (s.a.w.a.) and his Ahlul Bayt (a.s.) [his wives AND his progeny] were not an exception from the Sharia. Rather, some laws are heavier for them, but never lighter. This is clear in Quran 33:28-34, among them is Ayat-e-Tathir (the verse of purification; Q33:33).
Totally agree!! I do have a question why was Ali (ra) cursed on the pulpit for many years. We Sunni do speak of the other the merits of the other companions but not many if Ali(ra) . Most Sunni don’t know much of The house of the prophet or Ali , in Sunni books not Shia writings
@@rabyaahmed2817 insulting someone and not stating a point is the new stupidity. I will not stoop myself as a grown man who has actually went to a Islamic university to argue with such an ignorant statement. I love how you stated nothing but called me ignorant.
@@rabyaahmed2817 by the way how much do you know about what our scholars have said about Ali(ra) and the house hold of the prophet (Saw)you would be surprised on how he wasn’t so loved as we say we do.
Ibn Sa’ad: Narrated to us Ishaq bin Yusuf, from Muhammad bin Abdallah and Houdha bin Khalifa, who said: Narrated to us Ibn Awn, from Muhammad bin Sireen, who said: Umar ibn Khataab said: There did not remain a thing in me from the practises of jahiliyya (era of ignorance), except that I don't care whom of the people I have penetrated (Nakh) or who of them have penetrated (Nakh) me. [Tabaqat Al Kubra. Vol. 3, Pg. # 269 H. 3714.]
Why do you say "Sa'yasallam"? The way you send peace and blessings on the prophet is to say: "Sallah Allahu 'Alaihi wa Aaalihi wa Sallam". Do not eat up your words / be stingy with your words when you ask Allah to send the best of mankind, Sallah Allahu 'Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam, the peace and blessings that Allah Himself bestows upon him. Say it ALL, in FULL.
So some alwai groups think the honourable Ali was meant to be the final prophet lol and “some” Sunni groups think companion Omar had more knowledge and gifts than our beloved prophet Muhammad peace be upon him , to the extent that Omar spoke Allahs words before the prophet was even aware of them… and Omar even corrected our prophet according to this guy and Hadith… at this stage it has to be questioned if these Hadiths were to be little our prophet and elevate others over him Allah forgive us🤦♂️ people hearing this you would think Omar was the prophet.. Allah forgive us.. Some Hadiths need to be disregarded when they contradict Islam and our purified prophet Muhammad PBUH.. What’s going on these days….
Lol, that's your twisted Shia understanding of what was said, nothing said here would indicate anything you just said. Stop making emotional arguments and use brain.
My question is did Ali ( Radi') have great arrogance to put himself on the throne disregarding anyone else? Why ? C'mon, why insult Ali in such a way from the very group that honors him so much.
He was unlettered at the time of revelation beginning, and revelation continued for 23 years. Is it confirmed anywhere that he was unlettered even at the end of the revelation?
The word used by Umer was ھذیان (means nonsense). Check this hadith in Arabic. Its translation is done in such a way that the blame does not goes and no one can point fingers to Umer. If you are really interested in knowing the early Islamic history without any bias then read these events chronologically 1. Ghadeer e Khumm 2. Expedition of Usama bin Zayd (just before death of prophet saw) 3. Hadith of pen and paper 4. Burial of the Prophet (Only 6 men were present) 5. Incident of Saqifa
I dont understand this Shia beleifs.....while Ali RA himself didn't have any issue whatsoever for Abu Bakr RA and Umar RA being caliphs before him....contrary to that Ali RA married Umar RA daughter later in life. Whats wrong with Shias....they hate unnecessarily we love Ali RA and ahlulbayt but we dont discriminate all of the wives of Prophet is Ahlul bayt.
@@masteronmace Where is your proof....??? Quote me from Bukhari...!! All your Shia hadiths are concocted in kufa,Iraq...it's a political ideology...all of those hadiths are fabricated or shaped in a way to support your political ideology. There was no Shia or Sunni during Ali RAs lifetime...your false narrators created their own political ideology to rule the muslim land's thats the truth.
@@wisedome3433 Nahjul Balagha is a mix of bakri Hadiths and Shia Hadiths, we don’t use that as a main source instead rely on what Quran and Tafsir from Ahlulbayt says. Also, Mola Ali in Sunni books called Abu Bakr and Umar liars and frauds lol
@@masteronmace In Usul e Kaafi and Majlisi's Hayat ul Quloob also both hazrat Umar and hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique are praised and their greatness is described
Its impossible that Umar could be a Prophet because no Prophet ever worshipped idols Also many hadiths in Sunni tradition show Umar ra not knowing something
That is insightful. Thank you for clarifying the true sunni belief that Umar was more than on two dozen occasions more knowledgeable and wiser than the Prophet saww himself. Off course shias don't believe that and they are keen on counting the times when Umar showed sheer ignorance and cowardice in battlefields.
@@moulanakratos I am obliged to break it to you that your own comment comes from a place of ignorance. And you are yourself responsible for that ignorance. Arguing with me won't help you either. The only solution for you is to get to the real source of all what they are discussing, read the classical books and get away from these internet clowns.
So umar is telling the prophet what’s best for him( regarding no one should see his wives.) Oh wow, so umar got more sense than Allah and the prophet. Ahahaha wow, may Allah forgive us all
the fact that Ali r.a. the gate of knowledge exeeds umar r.a. in an overall knowledge field and we sunnis recognize that- by ur logic ali r.a. is more knowledgeble than Allah or prophet s..m. but luckily we dont have a fish brain and recognize the honors Allah has given his slaves and we look up to them with respect and take them as our role models instead of making a fuss over a bunch of nonarguments
At the end of the day it’s the prophet(pbuh) and his Ahlul bait(family) whom every Muslims are required to send blessing on every time they pray. No one else gets this honor and it’s nonnegotiable.
Umar said what? 'No, wait?' Are you ashamed to quote the exact reply he (Umar) gave to the greatest man ever to live? You are not doing justice to your followers.
( عمر يقول بأن النبي (ص) يهجر وحسبنا كتاب الله ) OMAR SAYS: THE MAN IS RAVING QURAN IS SUFFICIENT FOR US صحيح البخاري - كتاب العلم - باب : كتابة العلم الجزء : ( 1 ) - رقم الصفحة : ( 36 / 37 ) 114 - حدثنا : يحيى بن سليمان ، قال : حدثني : ابن وهب ، قال : أخبرني : يونس ، عن ابن شهاب ، عن عبيد الله بن عبد الله ، عن ابن عباس ، قال : لما اشتد بالنبي (ص) وجعه ، قال : ائتوني بكتاب أكتب لكم كتابا لا تضلوا بعده ، قال عمر : أن النبي (ص) غلبه الوجع وعندنا كتاب الله حسبنا فاختلفوا وكثر اللغط ، قال : قوموا عني ولا ينبغي عندي التنازع فخرج ابن عباس ، يقول : إن الرزية كل الرزية ما حال بين رسول الله (ص) وبين كتابه. Hope this might help for those seeking the truth !
What's the ruling about those who anger the Holy Prophet صلى الله عليه و اله و سلم كتاب الله ) ( عمر يقول بأن النبي (ص) يهجر وحسبنا كتاب الله ) صحيح البخاري - كتاب العلم - باب : كتابة العلم الجزء : ( 1 ) - رقم الصفحة : ( 36 / 37 )
Whether umar did it or not, Ali (AS) was the first declared khalifa of prophet muhammad SAW thanks to many explicit & unrefutable proofs from sunni literatures. :) Here is 1 sample: Prophet muhammad SAW said directly to Ali AS before going for battle of tabuk: "You are 'MY KHALIFA' over every believer after me." Non Shiite Sources: Kitab Al Sunnah by ibn abi asim. Sheikh Albani & others declared it authentic. Al Mustadrak Al Hakim, Imam Hakim & Dhahbhi both declared it authentic. Sunan Nasai Al Kubra, this hadith has the same authentic chain as above.
Yes it is true that among others Umar r.a prevented Ali for becoming first Khalifa. Besides Ali r.a. even didn't won't that position. But how it is that you as a believers don't understand that it was by Allah's s.v.t.a. decree and they were merely just sebabs. And that these events are also sebab for this enmity between so called Shias and so called Sunnis as a test. Why you don't preocupie with personal self instead ? Let the sahaba, it is not your business. I am a sunni, maturidi, hanefi and I consider my muslim brothers all shias. Their doctrine and practices are not my concern. It is between them and the Lord. We are all related.
All those who are seeking the truth should be honest with themselves and watch the claims made by Nakshwani and do their research. The response here is just a weak defense
@@imranabbas854 your nakshwani just cries lol his arguments have been refuted on multiple channels. Abandon your false Hadiths and your false ahl al bayt made by liars of Kufa. Embrace real Hadiths and real Ahl al Bayt
How can Sunnis not see that there is an issue here. Claiming 21 verses are revealed right after Umar said the verse, and that the Prophet SAW said if there was a prophet after him it would be Umar. Sunnis are hypocrites, if Shia said anything near like this about Ali ibn Abi Talib, we would get called kaffir. Also Imam Ali A.S is in the Quran. Ghadeer was the announcement of Imam Ali A.S‘s successorship and the announcement of Ahlulbayt. The calamity of Thursday, was a test by the Prophet SAW on his companions, the Prophet SAW knew if he wrote the successor in his will, then the enemies would have destroyed it after. The way I view the calamity of Thursday is its purpose was a test of his companions. Now that eliminates the question of well why didn’t the Prophet SAW write it after ?
The point that keeps repeating in this video is that Umar's opinion was confirmed in the Quran. Isn't it true that the Quran we read today was actually complied and edited by Umar himself long after the death of the prophet PBUH? Can't you just put your own opinions into it being the Khalifa of such a young religion?
I would’ve agreed with this statement but i simply cant because its not just this point There have been many other times where umar interjected where he clearly shouldn’t have. Youre essentially trying to say that he knows more than the prophet which no one as a muslim should ever believe and if he does than there goes his emaan
😂 OMG. So Umar says something then God affirms it later?? Wallahi if we Shias said something like that about Imam Ali (as), we would be called kaffirs based on that alone. I guess when it comes to Umar everything is possible🤷🏻♂️
Makes no sense that a leader, kjng, or a politician, or a CEO would die without appointing a commander in chief after him. Makes no sense to me. Let alone the final messenger of God pbuh. Also why did Fatima die angry w Umar??
@@mokhosh that's shia definition, bro. I would suggest you to read the incident in it's full context. It's not about giving sayyidna Ali the matter of leadership but to defend him and show his status, just as the prophet (SAW) said concerning sayyidna Umar that "there was to have a Prophet after me, it would have been 'Umar bin Al-Khattab." But we don't take this litterary and start treating sayyidna Umar like a prophet. So, try to see the whole picture, bro
Wow I’ve seen some desperate claims to try and paint Umar in a good light but this was something else! Haha - whatever Umar said it became an ayah of the Quran?!?! Haha wow. And in that entire video you didn’t address the Calamity of Thursday which was what Sayed Ammar discussed in an hour lecture. You stick with Umar and I’ll stick with Imam Ali 😂
In under 8 minutes shiaism debunked notice the shias will say weak arguements but do they have counter replies no just same old copied and pasted rhetoric from one website to another. Yet there own shia imams never spoke of this pen and paper incident there orimary sources dont even have a shia isnad for this report. !
The incident of the paper is not an example of revelation confirming Umar, it is an example of Umar contradicting and disobeying the Prophet ﷺ. You change the topic to discuss umpteen different issues in this short clip, but not that!
Please stop raising the sayyiduna umar to such a high level. The naration the brother mentoned about the wives of the prophet gathering and umar RA sayying عسى ربه إن طلّقكن and the same aya later beng reveled in the Quran, was this why surah tahreem was revealed. What about the story of the honey. The aya doesn't have anything to do with what he is refering to. Also just the idea that sayyiduna umar's exact words ended up becoming quran, what does that say about Quran's challenge of coming up with an aya like the quran. Had such narrations been reported about sayyiduna Ali people would have been quick to ask these questions.
Not overall wiser, but sometimes he was on certain issues. Allah SWT blessed him with wisdom. You believe Imam know the unforeseen, know when they will die etc. So what is the issue of being wise?
Bukhari 9:87:111 Muslim 26:5428 Muslim 30:5654 Bukhari 8:73:220 Bukhari 6:60:226; also Bukhari 6:60:1 and Bukhari 6:60:170 Bukhari 7:62:142 Bukhari 1:5:268 And there is soo many more hadiths that I can’t believe come out of peoples mouths. These Hadiths insult the prophets character SAW. He is the best creation of Allah. He is not suicidal bewitched or delusional. He doesn’t make mistakes. He is protected by Allah. Yet the Sunni school is busy defending the sahaba when the sahaba are making a mockery out of the Prophets character morals and conduct.
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Not to mention the fact that Shia claim that The Prophet ﷺ already appointed Ali رضي الله عنه as his successor at Ghadeer Khumm in front of tens of thousands of people three months earlier - and the Shias even celebrate this day as Eid Ghadeer. If he ﷺ really did appoint Ali رضي الله عنه as his successor in front of tens of thousands of witnesses, how can there be any doubt about Ali رضي الله عنه in this regard or how can anyone stop him from being Khalifa? Moreover, why would the Prophet ﷺ even need to write anything on his deathbed after he had already decided and declared his successor?
In addition, Umar رضي الله عنه had no idea the Prophet ﷺ was about to leave this world, as evident from the fact that Umar رضي الله عنه thought the Prophet ﷺ would outlive them all. When the Prophet ﷺ passed away, Umar رضي الله عنه was in complete shock and disbelief - he stood outside with a sword saying he would strike the neck of anyone who says the Prophet ﷺ had died. It was only after Abu Bakr رضي الله عنه recited the ayaat of the Qur'an: وما محمد إلا رسول قد خلت من قبله الرسل أفائن مات أو قتل انقلبتم على أعقابكم - that Umar رضي الله عنه realise the Prophet ﷺ truly did leave this world. Umar رضي الله عنه said what he did about not troubling the Prophet ﷺ because he thought the Prophet ﷺ was merely ill, and there was no need to bother him when such matters could easily be taken care of after the Prophet ﷺ had recovered.
The Shia narrative goes up in flames the minute you apply a little bit of critical thinking.
Excellent points.
Mashallah
@IsolatedIntellectual the difference between sunni narrative and shia narrative is:
Husn adh Dhan vs. Suu adh-Dhan.
People with a Suu ad-Dhan mentality in normal days lives are sick people who interpret everything one does in a negative light.
You give charity? You must be showing off...you bring me a gift? You surely want something from me...
Shia are like this with the sahaba. Everything is interpreted in a negative light. Even their positive deeds they find a way to make it negative by filling in their intentions because of the sickness and curse in their hearts.
What happend at Ghadeer then? Why did RasulAllah ordered tens of thousands companions to gather in Ghadeer Khum? Give me your answer?
@@sadjada1566 It has already been answered tens of thousands of times. Read the ahadith pertaining to the events that lead up to Ghadir Khumm. And the Prophet ﷺ did not specifically gather "tens of thousands" of Companions to announce leadership (and if he did, why are you lot crying about the "pen and paper" incident?). Ghadir Khumm was a common resting place for travelers going from Makkah to Madinah. If the Prophet ﷺ wanted to announce his successor, he would have done so at the Hajj where a much, much larger gathering of Companions were present, and where Allah revealed that the religion has been completed. You people believe that khilafa/imamah is a central and fundamental pillar of the religion, so that means you are alleging that the Prophet ﷺ failed to fulfill his Prophetic duties when this ayah was revealed at Hajj but rather did so WEEKS after. Anyone with working brain cells can see that the implications of the entire Shia narrative is nothing but one massive insult to both the Prophet ﷺ and the blessed Ahlul Bayt.
It is not the eyes that are blind, but the hearts. ~ Qur’an 22:46
It’s interesting that no matter how many outrageous claims they make against Sayyidna Umar, we end up loving him even more.
Because you’re all blind
Hadith of pen & paper =goggle it. You guys follow sunnah of umar and not the prophet pbuh
You're the perfect example of deaf dumb blind.
Exactly, the rafidi religion is based upon fairytales myths and legends.
The rawafidh think muslims will fall for their myths and fairytales. No one wonder people are leaving the twelver shia religion in thier droves.
Mashaa Allah. Truly inspirational. May Allah engrave in our hearts love for the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam and for all his blessed companions.
These rebuttals are very important, as several Shia-extremists are getting more attention online. Also, Iran's role in Palestine has given many of them an extra boost.
I wish you guys stand will Palestine with your bullshit countries like the Persians did.
Poor nasibi, you obviously need a tissue.
@@theamirbarismillworks2253rafidi people are leaving shiasm at the hordes lol, iran has done nothing for palestine
@@saadsalman4518 sorry brother, but as a fellow sunni, everone can see iran helping.
@@averagebodybuilder Thats what a common person with no knowledge if geopolitics will say
Ask Ibn abbas (RA) about the calamity of Thursday..
Exactly why I love Umar ibn khattab رضي الله عنه my favorite sahabi❤️ got the same name too!
Go read about the door of knowledge.
@@TheMahdi12349 We did. Ali (ra) married off his daughter with Umar (ra). That's how close they were.
@@TheMahdi12349 Now imagine hating the man the Gate of Knowledge chose to be his own son-in-law. If you know better regarding the nature of Umar, what shall we call you? The Foyer of Knowledge?
I feel people should read a sermon called Sermon of ash-Shiqshiqiyah to get a step closer towards the truth, and may Allah Swt guide us all from that point onwards.
jazakallah May Allah SWT reward you for defending the companions. Ameen May Allah SWT increase us in knowledge and understanding and open the heart to his realities as he done for you. Ameen.
Amazing! Jazakum Allah khair
Sayidina Umar loves Sayidina Ali and Sayidina Ali loves Sayidina Umar. To claim to love one and have negative thoughts about the other is antithetical.
The son of Omar sided with ALI AS in a battle of Jamal against our mother 3isha thousands of Muslims butchered because she didn’t like that their Khalifa ALI was taking his time looking for uthmans killers. Read Islamic history it was a blood bath and stop being naive this naivety has resulted in your brothers and sisters being rap$d in Gaza. Stop the fwends bull crap you don’t threaten to burn your friends house reference Bukhari
lol friends threatening to burn his other friends house these sahaba are not very well mannered. al-Tabari writes that Umar shouted, "By God, either you come out to render the oath of allegiance [to Abu Bakr], or I will set the house on fire."
@@TheMahdi12349tabari wrote all sayings, even if they were fabricated and false, he didnt differentiate. You are not a shaykh to comment on a saying with 0 understanding of the context, credibility or sanad of the saying
Is that why sayidna Ali radiallah anho thought of sayidna omar radiallah anho of being a sinful, trecherous, dishonest, liar? Sahih muslim 1757c
@@abdullinhowell sorry to burst ur bubble but it is sahuh ul sanad so is the musannaf report. But you play witg your very loose rijal rules that can both authenticate or weaken %90 of your ahadith. Afterall why is sahih sanad even needed for a historical report that has been corroporated many times. Ibn taymiya says a corroporated report is hujjah even if narrated by fussaq and fujjar especially with regards to history reports.
And whoever obeys Allah and His Messenger and fears Allah and is conscious of Him - it is those who are the attainers ~ Qur’an 24:52
Bro literally said that Umar asked the prophet (saww) to have his wives completely covered.
You have no problem in believing that Umar had more Ghairah than the prophet (saww) ?
You have no Problem in believing that Umar on some occasions had better Judgement than the Prophet (saww) ?
Of course. The Prophet saw mentioned the massive GHIRAH of Umar ra. Check the hadith. Sorry, u Shia? So u threw that ha#ith away? 😂😂😂😂 puleez
@@phenomabbas the way you are drawing conclusions is hilarious, because this was nobody' should have given his opinion to prophet SAW because noONE is more intelligent and knowledgeable tham prophet SAW.
The irony.... Umar and Abu bakr ra were companions of the Prophet saw no doubt about that, Aisha and Hafsa ra were the wives of the Prophet saw. Yet shias curse those sahabas and wives. So then who is questioning the Prophet saw judgement. Only the shia are dumb enough to question his judgement. Shiaism a creation of the west to divide muslims, in reality there is no shiaism its just a mechanism to divide. The whole foundation of the belief is corrupted and completely wrong.
Yes, no problem. He was a great man.
But this shouldn't be an issue for you. Umar RA had wisdom, and he displayed it.
Whilst you believe that your 'Imams' know the unforeseen, know when they will die etc. L0L
@@-------....___ Umar (lanatuallah alayh) is worse than Iblis
May the speaker be raised with his beloved umar
“The truth has come and falsehood has vanished. Indeed, falsehood is bound to vanish.” ~ Qur’an 17:81
You should say this to your leaders we are doing our part.
@@AdnanAli_313this ayah is for the Shia
@Shah-wp6do So we on the truth because falsehood is vanished . If you implying that then ok but it's not what we teach and this verse should be understood by reading completely to understand the context which it is in.
*How to debunk Shiasm in 1 sentence:*
One of the sons of Ali (ra) was named after Abu Bakr (ra).
Imagine calling your son kouniya 😂 lie to someone else
Nothing gets past you Sherlock. That son was biologically Abu Bakr’s son. When AB passed away his widow got married to Imam Ali (ai) who raised that son. Do your research.
@@midnightnv6211 Oh the gracious sahabi Muhammad Abu Bakr which is the son of our Abu Bakr that was the Shia of Imam Ali that physically pulled out his sister Aisha from the camel during the battle of camels. Now it makes sense why he called his son Abu Bakr
Rafidi: its quran and ahl ul bayt
Shia “hadith” books;
*Al kafi book 2 chapter 22 hadith number 3 Chapter on Following the Sunnah and Evidence of the Book*
Abu ‘Abdallah (AS) has said, ‘Everything must be referred to the holy Quran and the Sunnah, the noble traditions of the holy Prophet (s.a.) and any Hadith that does not agree with the holy Quran it is a useless statement.’”
@@mughal_r9374 its Quran and Ahlul Bayt. Ahlul Bayt doesn’t have made up Sunnah. It’s degreded by our prophet. Which is basically a Sunnah of our prophet. But we only take the Sunnah from Ahlul Bayt and good charactered Sahabas that defended ahlul bayt. Not form 100,000 sahabi that his character doesn’t reflect islam
Say, “Is it other than Allah I should desire as a lord while He is the Lord of all things? And every soul earns not except against itself, and no bearer of burdens will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you concerning that over which you used to differ.” ~ Qur’an 6:164
It is He who shows you His signs and sends down to you from the sky, provision. But none will remember except he who turns back. So invoke Allah, sincere to Him in religion, although the disbelievers dislike it. ~ Qur’an 40:14
Just wanted questions out of sincerity.
It’s clear that Umar RA had the best interest in heart hence why he went straight away to sort the election. I’m sure I can understand from a Shia side why Ali RA was meant for the khalifa.
But my point is, since ALI RA found out that he was not in the election and let it go and was happy with the decision. Wouldn’t that be a test for him to accept what was written?
It goes back to these verse : And it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not know.” (AI-Baqarah, 2:216)
Do you think what Umar RA did was right in anyway? He was a great fighter, he had great wisdom, and was a warrior. But it just really confuses me if the prophet Muhammad SAW chose him as a wali, it can of course confuse anyone.
And I’m sure there is so much value coming from ALI RA side too, because he was part of the family, he knew the inside and out, had a deep relationship with the prophet saw?
Because the way all of this coming across emotional Shia’s are backlashing, and Sunni showing Umar having honour. But no is questioning whether ALI RA didn’t say anything is what makes a sign of true wisdom?
I only say this is because every academic, seems to make it more logically make sense ALI being the khalifa. But we automatically try to justify it with Umar RA qualities when there is nothing with that at all.
Just open to understand
If you want to understand more on this issue than Ali RA was fine with Umar or Abu Bakr being the caliph or not, just read the Sermon of ash-Shiqshiqiyah and you will find all the answers. Do let me know what is your opinion on this. Salaam
Watch The Lady of Heaven to start
There's one thing you need to understand. Let's say ALI RA was elected by the prophet and obviously in history books abu bakr became the first caliph. If Ali (RA) decided to fight for his rightful position wouldn't this cause a civil war? It would collapse the whole religion in many ways. People within Islam would be split between Abu bakr and Ali and enemies from the outside would attack which would end islam and the prophets message. If you think about it him getting declared successor and not doing anything when his position was unlawfully taken has wisdom behind it and does make logical sense
It's an honour to be on the side of Sayyidina Umar RadiAllahu Taala Anhu Ajmaeen. May Allah Taala unite us with him in Jannah.
Its an honour to be on omar's side??? In other words its an honour for you to hurt Rasulullah pbuh and be kicked out of the room. 😆
@@Mahdi-sx4ql oh if only you knew what that honour will be. but one day you will. May Allah Taala unite me with Sayyidina Umar RadiAllahu Taala Anhu in the hereafter and may you be where he won't. say ameen
@@islamictalksetc ameen, btw did u even read what i wrote and the repercussion of being on omar's side?
Ibn Sa’ad:
Narrated to us Ishaq bin Yusuf, from Muhammad bin Abdallah and Houdha bin Khalifa, who said: Narrated to us Ibn Awn, from Muhammad bin Sireen, who said:
Umar ibn Khataab said:
There did not remain a thing in me from the practises of jahiliyya (era of ignorance), except that I don't care whom of the people I have penetrated (Nakh) or who of them have penetrated (Nakh) me.
[Tabaqat Al Kubra. Vol. 3, Pg. # 269 H. 3714.]
@@Mahdi-sx4ql you’re thinking is sick
The naming of the children of Ali(ra) and his children's marriage into Umar (ra) family is much stronger arguments against the rafidh than the circular argument of Umar (ra) and the Quran as said at the start.
Abu lahab was prophets uncle lol 😂
@@TheMahdi12349And? Whats your point?
Abu bakrs son of Ali’s name was Muhammed but it was a kunya so the PEOPLE named him abu bakr.
Umar son of Ali was never Umar it was Amir.
Uthman ibn Ali was named after Uthman ibn Maz'un and this is backed up by bihar al anwar.
@ghazialbadry6623 the son of Ali ibn abi talib كرم الله وجه was Abu Bakr. Yes Abu Bakr ibn ali رضي الله عنه. You are saying its a kunya. This kunya was only to 1 person before him in the history. Abu bakr as saddiq رضي الله عنه
@@AAA777I I’m saying his name wasn’t Abu bakr. I’m saying his REAL name was Muhammed ibn Ali عليه السلام. You’ve now lied saying abu bakr was the only one named as “abu bakr”… So who was Abu Bakr bin Uthman al-Taymi???
SubhanAllah
One important thing Dr Shadee did not mention is Allah already revealed the religion was complete. With the shia claim one has to say the prophet (s) failed to deliver the whole message which is kufr.
So how did your apu baker become caliph?
@@theamirbarismillworks2253 shura muhajireen and ansar.
Shias will say that the message was revealed in Ghadeer when prophet(S) declared Ali as a “Mawla”. But the “pen and paper” incident according to Shias is just for more emphasis and to protect that message even more. Shias may even say the prophet (S) exposed the true colors of those companions around him when he made the request for “pen and paper”
@mujahidkhalfan5246 shi'as are known for making speculative guesses without proof and out of thin air along the way all the time. Everytime one dismantle their claims they come with something new, like a liar telling another lie to hide the first one and at the end is caught in a web of lies.
Allahumma barik
If the prophet asked me to do something i would do it blindly and without disrespect.
Ibn Sa’ad:
Narrated to us Ishaq bin Yusuf, from Muhammad bin Abdallah and Houdha bin Khalifa, who said: Narrated to us Ibn Awn, from Muhammad bin Sireen, who said:
Umar ibn Khataab said:
There did not remain a thing in me from the practises of jahiliyya (era of ignorance), except that I don't care whom of the people I have penetrated (Nakh) or who of them have penetrated (Nakh) me.
[Tabaqat Al Kubra. Vol. 3, Pg. # 269 H. 3714.]
Jazak Allah
There's a hadith where it is reported that Aisha (r.a) said about Zayd ibn Harithah (the ex-adopted son of the Prophet): "If Zayd were alive, the Prophet would've chosen him as a khalifah."
This means Aisha knew that khilafah is appointed by the Prophet, no?
Not exactly, Umm al Mumenin Aishah had this as her iwn opinion because the name Zayd was mentioned un Quran and that is a strong proof he is special. But eventually arab tribes would not accept anyone except someone strong feom Quraysh.
Maasha Allah❤
Wow Omar was an advisor to Allah and the Prophet ha?
What makes these arguments unbelievable is that people defend the Sahaba like they are the prophet. But why don’t you defend the prophet SAW. When soo many hadiths bring the prophet’s character to an all time low. Look through the Sunni hadiths. Hadiths that are absolutely despicable.
Please provide some of these hadiths
Bukhari 9:87:111
Muslim 26:5428
Muslim 30:5654
Bukhari 8:73:220
Bukhari 6:60:226; also Bukhari 6:60:1 and Bukhari 6:60:170
Bukhari 7:62:142
Bukhari 1:5:268
And there is soo many more hadiths that I can’t believe come out of peoples mouths. These Hadiths insult the prophets character SAW. He is the best creation of Allah. He is not suicidal bewitched or delusional. He doesn’t make mistakes. He is protected by Allah. Yet the Sunni school is busy defending the sahaba when the sahaba are making a mockery out of the Prophets character morals and conduct.
Shias believe their infallible Imams are equal in status with Prophet Muhammad saws, is this not an insult to the Prophet?
God has purified the Ahlulbayt his family how is that an insult that’s more like honouring him and his family ❤️by Allahs SWT will he purified them so the message of the prophet Mohummad is not tampered with. His true sunnah !
And no matter what no one is the same status as the prophet ASW
SubhanAllah. The way you guys elevate umar above the prophet saws. Heartfelt. If you are Sunni and come across this, please examine these Hadiths and umars conduct unbiasedly.
@@Tifsa123 WE elevate Umar? If youre shia you made Ali and the imams into Gods. May Allah save us from being like you people
We Ahlul Sunna Wa Al Djamah are the right ones Shia expecially are the ones who said that the Ahlul Bajt r.a is God themself estagfiurllah even Ali r.a never reclaim that himself and Distanced from such a claim from this Kjafirs
@@amirdervisevic1487 How do you know you're right? Us shias follow hadiths, quran and the ahlulbayt. Pray 5 times a day, fast, go hajj and do the same things as you but our sect centralises our love of the ahlulbayt with the quran. We believe in one god which is Allah and not any human like sunnis falsely accusate and we have the same quran as you.
@@Zainali-jk3ij even Ahmadis have same Quran. You accuse Sunnis of worshipping human while your imams have said themselves to related to attributes of Allah in your "Hadiths".
No one can resolve this issue but to confuse it more until you know who you are? Means what is Human Creation
Umar RA, one of the greatest man to ever live.
Imagine how he would have dealt with the taghut (MBS, MBZ, Sisi, Abdullah etc.) of today.
The hadith of “pen and paper”, or the hadith al-qirtas, is also called the raziyya yawm al-khamis that translates to ‘The Calamity of Thursday’.
•The authenticity of this event cannot be disputed, it is recorded in multiple sources including the Sahih al-Bukhari 5 times, Sahih al-Muslim 3 times Musnad Ahmad 1 time, Sunan al-Bayhaqi 1 time, Tabaqat Ibn Sa'd 8 times.
"Come, let me write for you a statement after which you will not go astray." 'Umar said, ""Surly, this man is saying nonsense and you have the Qur'an; so the Book of Allah is enough for us." When they caused a hue and cry before the Prophet, Allah's Apostle said, "Go away!" Narrated 'Ubaidullah: Ibn 'Abbas used to say, "It was very unfortunate that Allah's Apostle was prevented from writing that statement for them because of their disagreement and noise."
Sure, but how does any of that negate what the speaker is saying? As he mentioned in the lecture, the Prophet passes away THREE days later. He had three entire days to explore or re-explore the matter, yet didn't. This scenario was not evidence or the evidence you were looking for that Umar stopped Ali from being appointed the next calipha.
@@jasminmalik3287
The Prophet (s) withdrew from writing his will because of what was said after his request, since his word would have no influence anymore but dispute after his demise. Thus, if the Prophet (s) wrote the mentioned will, about which still some would say that it was nonsense.
Some sources write that prophet saww instead gave oral recommendations, which have been recorded differently by various authors.
On a side note: If you are really interested in knowing the early Islamic history without any bias then read these events chronologically
1. Ghadeer e Khumm
2. Expedition of Usama bin Zayd (just before death of prophet saw)
3. Hadith of pen and paper
4. Burial of the Prophet (Only 6 men were present)
5. Incident of Saqifa
@@jasminmalik3287
Can you tell me, after this Thursday Calamity event, what did the prophet do or order before he passed away on Monday?
Guys the arguement isn’t about the message. The fact that Omar insulted our prophet by saying the our prophet is saying nonsense is the issue.
@@AhmadFakih123 except omar r.a. didnt say that the prophet s.m. was speaking nonsense
this part in this comment is total bs and probably an addition inside of the shia sources and if any sunnis sources have it, its recognized as a fabrication
From Ibn ‘Umar (رضي الله عنه) who said: “Whilst we were praying with the Messenger of Allāh (ﷺ) a man from amongst people recited;
اللَّهُ أَكْبَرُ كَبِيرًا وَالْحَمْدُ لِلَّهِ كَثِيرًا وَسُبْحَانَ اللَّهِ بُكْرَةً وَأَصِيلاً
Allahu Akbaru kabeera, wal-hamdu Lillahi katheera, wa Subhan-Allahi bukratan was asila(Allah is Great, the Greatest, and praise belongs to Allāh in abundance, and glorified be Allāh at the beginning and end of the day),
So the Messenger of Allāh (ﷺ) asked (after prayer): “Who said such and such?!!” The man replied: “I did O Messenger of Allāh.” So the Messenger of Allāh (ﷺ) said: “I was amazed by it, for it opened the gates of heaven.”
As for the question of the prophethood of Omar, show us in any religion in the world that a person has become a prophet after 30-40 years of worshiping idols.
What kind of Sahabi was he when he fled from the battle of Uhud, the battle of Hunain, and the battle of Khybar? I left the funeral of the Prophet and started fighting for the caliphate in Saqeefah, then came after the burial and said, "Why didn't you wait for me?"
Asalamu alaikum, how can i send question to Dr.
Info@safinasociety.org
Please read the following book written by one of the most prominent Sunni scholars in the fifth century A.H. Al-Hakim al-Haskani (died 490 AH). The book is titled Shawahid al-Tanzil li Qawaid al-Tafdil Ahl Al-Bayt in the Noble Qur’an, and is now available in an English translation (by Morteza Karimi). InshaAllah once you have read this scholarly work you would be in a better position of knowledge, and thus enabled to understand the truth of this matter based on The Ayats and Guidance from The Noble Qur’an…
We are free to believe what we want......make your own choice
The preacher claim that, final Prophet's last will was not supposed to be written, so ALLAH stopped it through umar...
Doctor, I have a question if you don't mind answering...
وہ عمر جس کے اعداء پہ شیدا سقر
اس خدا دوست حضرت پہ لاکھوں سلام
فارقِ حق و باطل امام الھدیٰ
تیغِ مسلول شدّت پہ لاکھوں سلام
(رضی اللہ عنہ)
Umar had the permission to use a judgement...
Is the judgement of Umar needed when the prophet is conveying something? Do you actually hear what you say?
Then why do we even need a prophet? 🤷 For those who actually have the capacity to think properly without bias towards any sect of the religion will immediately spot this nonsense.
Don`t go towards `point number this or that` until you clarified that huge statement. We don`t care, even if you would have 500 points of refutation. If the asl is not correct, everything else should be forsaken.
Quran: "Take their opinion in matters."
Ali R.A. refused to strike down RasoolAllah after Prophet's name in treaty of Hudaibiyah even though Prophet instructed him to do so multiple times on the objection of Suhayl. Eventually Prophet had to take the document and himself strike it out. I guess then Ali R.A. was also telling Prophet what to do and what not?
If Umar(R.A) had the right to make ijtihad then his decision to unify Taraweeh prayer as 20 raka’as should be followed by all Ahlu sunnah. Why does some people pray 8?
Assalam Alaikum,
Unfortunately in both the Shia and Sunni world, there is no place where we have a controlled sitting and we can work out our issues. If the Sunnis want to believe what they believe, so be it and if the Shias want to believe what they believe so be it.
Let us stop maligning eachother and start working towards a better future for the Muslim community.
The Holy Qur'an clearly says that don't divide yourselves into sects.
It is every Muslim's job to search for the truth and not just listen to people on the Pulpits and Podcasts.
Seriously we need to grow up.
@qambersomji8230 Yes, we need to work together and not fight
So the refutation is that Umar is so great that even Allah swt revealed surahs in according to his sayings and opinions afterwards? You dont find this problematic? Normaly it is the Shias who are accused of worshipping Ali(we dont), but these things about Umar is ok? That he had ijtihad to not let the Prophet talk?
Also, if he already have been denied once at his death bed why would he even try it again the next day? Umar would say the same "he is still sick". His messege had already been deleivered before. There were those who accepted it then, and those who denied him to even repeat it.
And lastly, why did neither Abu Bakr, Umar, and Uthmann name any of their children Ali, Hassan, or Hussain? If the naming of children is so relevent in showing companionship, the kindness was cleary only onesided then.
Regarding last point : Is only Ali AS, Hussain AS, Hasan AS from the Prophet's SAW family? Umar RA's children names include Fatima, Zainab. Wasn't fatima AS also the daughter of Hazrat Muhammad SAW? Uthman RA himself married 2 daughters of Hazrat Muhammad SAW i.e Ruqayyah AS, Umme Kulsom AS. Would you give your daughter to any low individual and if you are not an adult would you accept giving your sister or cousin's hand in marriage to someone you consider disbeliever? let alone Prophet Muhammad SAW who knew about the hypocrites of that time more than you do gave two daughters hand in marriage to Hazrat Uthman RA
Regarding the prohibition of writing by Hazrat Umar RA do some research it's refutation is available on popular websites eg "This incident happened on a Thursday, and the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) died on the following Monday, i.e., four days later. He could have asked others to write that document, but because he (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) did not do that, we know that it was not revelation that he could have concealed"
@@muhammadaquib9974 We are talking about Umars enmity towards Ali. Your point about him naming them names of the daughters of the prophet has nothing to do with it lol? My point still stands.
And how the Prophet was around the hypocrites is another topic by itself, but even in Bukhari 6585 states that even the Prophets doesnt know what his companions will innovate after his time.
And also Nasai 3221 the Prophet refuses marrying Fatima to Abu bakr and Umar so what does that tell us??
And my statement about the document stands the same you really didnt address anything new.
Now you do some research in your own books and you will find that Ali and Umar wasnt all happy dandy with each other. Bukhari 4240: Ali didnt give alligience for 6 months and felt opressed. Bukhari 3092: Fatima dies angry with Abu bakr. Bukhari 6830: Ali opposed Umar. Ibn Abi shaybah 37045 sahih isnad: Umar threatens to burn the house of Fatima with those inside. Wassalam brother.
@@Yousif0291 "I heard 'Ali say: 'The best of people after the Messenger of Allah is Abu Bakr, and the best of people after Abu Bakr is 'Umar.'" Reference : Sunan Ibn Majah 106
Narrated 'Ali:
that the Prophet (ﷺ) said: "Abu Bakr and 'Umar are the masters of the elder people among the inhabitants of Paradise, from the first ones and the last ones, not including the Prophets and the Messengers. Do not inform them O 'Ali." Reference : Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3666
Narrated 'Abdur-Rahman bin 'Awf:
that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "Abu Bakr is in Paradise, 'Umar is in Paradise, 'Uthman is in Paradise, 'Ali is in Paradise, Talhah is in Paradise, Az-Zubair is in Paradise, 'Abdur-Rahman bin 'Awf is in Paradise, Sa'd bin Abi Waqqas is in Paradise, Sa'eed bin Zaid is in Paradise, and Abu 'Ubaidah bin Al-Jarrah is in Paradise." Reference : Jami` at-Tirmidhi 3747
Bukhari 6585 does not mention which companions however in the lifetime of the Prophet he himself said that the above people will be in paradise. Either you are calling Rasool Allah a liar (Astagfirullah) or twisting words for your benefit. As for marrying his daughter, if this is significant to you then here:
Rasool Allah married Hafsa R.A the daughter of Umar A.S
And when you ˹believers˺ ask his wives for something, ask them from behind a barrier. This is purer for your hearts and theirs. And it is not right for you to annoy the Messenger of Allah, nor ever marry his wives after him. This would certainly be a major offence in the sight of Allah. (From Surah Ahzab)
If Allah is divinely giving respect to the wives of the Prophet that include daughters of (Abu Bakr and Umar R.A) what's your problem with them?
It was narrated that 'Abdullah bin Salimah said:
"I heard 'Ali say: 'The best of people after the Messenger of Allah is Abu Bakr, and the best of people after Abu Bakr is 'Umar.'" Reference : Sunan Ibn Majah 106
@@Yousif0291 As for Bukhari 3092, Fatima R.A:
It has been narrated on the authority of 'A'isha that Fatima and 'Abbas approached Abu Bakr, soliciting transfer of the legacy of the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) to them. At that time, they were demanding his (Holy Prophet's) lands at Fadak and his share from Khaibar. Abu Bakr said to them:
I have heard from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ). Then he quoted the hadith having nearly the same meaning as the one which has been narrated by Uqail on the authority of al-Zuhri (and which his gone before) except that in his version he said: Then 'Ali stood up, extolled the merits of Abu Bakr mentioned his superiority, and his earlier acceptance of Islam. Then he walked to Abu Bakr and swore allegiance to him. (At this) people turned towards 'Ali and said: you have done the right thing. And they became favourably inclined to 'Ali after he had adopted the proper course of action. Reference : Sahih Muslim 1759b
Also
Narrated Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri:
The Prophet (ﷺ) delivered a sermon and said, "Allah gave a choice to one of (His) slaves either to choose this world or what is with Him in the Hereafter. He chose the latter." Abu Bakr wept. I said to myself, "Why is this Sheikh weeping, if Allah gave choice to one (of His) slaves either to choose this world or what is with Him in the Here after and he chose the latter?" And that slave was Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) himself. Abu Bakr knew more than us. The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "O Abu Bakr! Don't weep. The Prophet (ﷺ) added: Abu- Bakr has favored me much with his property and company. If I were to take a Khalil from mankind I would certainly have taken Abu Bakr but the Islamic brotherhood and friendship is sufficient. Close all the gates in the mosque except that of Abu Bakr. Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 466
Narrated `Uqba bin Al-Harith:
I saw Abu Bakr carrying Al-Hasan and saying, "Let my father be sacrificed for you; you resemble the Prophet and not `Ali," while `Ali was laughing at this. Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 3750
@@Yousif0291 Narrated Humaid bin `Abdur-Rahman:
Abu Huraira said, "During that Hajj (in which Abu Bakr was the chief of the pilgrims) Abu Bakr sent me along with announcers on the Day of Nahr ( 10th of Dhul-Hijja) in Mina to announce: "No pagans shall perform, Hajj after this year, and none shall perform the Tawaf around the Ka`ba in a naked state." Humaid bin `Abdur Rahman added: Then Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) sent `Ali bin Abi Talib (after Abu Bakr) and ordered him to recite aloud in public Surat Bara'a. Abu Huraira added, "So `Ali, along with us, recited Bara'a (loudly) before the people at Mina on the Day of Nahr and announced; "No pagan shall perform Hajj after this year and none shall perform the Tawaf around the Ka`ba in a naked state." Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 4655
Indicates how close the companions were with each other when during early Islamic days.
It was narrated from Abu Salih al-Hanafi that It was said to ‘Ali and Abu Bakr (رضي الله عنهما) on the day of Badr. Jibreel is with one of you and Mika`eel is with the other, and Israfeel, a mighty angel, is present at the fight - or he said, is present in the ranks. Reference : Musnad Ahmad 1257
The fact is, Umar refused the Holy Propthet to write down whatever he wanted say. Dont you as a Sunni find it problamatic that someone stops the Prophet (saws) on his deathbed, till the Prophet gets upset and asks them to leave.
So you would’ve rather had the profit strain himself? Sometimes a high-ranking official has to make decisions on behalf of, and in the best interest of the leader. Also, what he had to write down was revealed in his final sermon.
1. There is a HUGE difference between the prophet PBUH and his companions. 2. The Quran states clearly (And he does not speak out of (his own) desire. It is not but revelation revealed [ to him ]....53:3-) (وَمَا يَنطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَىٰ إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْيٌ يُوحَىٰ). The prophet PBUH was sent by GOD to us and thus his orders should be taken accordingly.
3. In addition this is not a matter of a country and high ranking officials. Again this is a prophet that was sent to us by GOD. And thus the comparison should not even be on the table.
Did you just completely ignore or not watch rest of video after point was raised
That's how you know people like you are ignorant. Obviously didn't watch it and like to extrapolate things to fit your twisted presumptions.
It’s kind of like when Ali AS refused to remove ‘messenger of god’ from the hudaybiyyah treatise after the prophet commanded it, THREE times, right? 😉😉😉😉😉
Say, Indeed, my prayer, my rites of sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allah, Lord of the worlds. ~ Qur’an 6:162
SHAYTAAN (IBLEES) RAN AWAY FROM UMAR (R.A) WHEN HE WAS ALIVE.
TODAY THE HUMAN SHAYATEEN aka SHIA RUN WHEN THEY HEAR HIS NAME.
MAY OUR LIVES AND FAMILY BE SACRIFICED FOR YOU O AMEERUL MUMINEEN 🤲🏼💙
Ibn Sa’ad:
Narrated to us Ishaq bin Yusuf, from Muhammad bin Abdallah and Houdha bin Khalifa, who said: Narrated to us Ibn Awn, from Muhammad bin Sireen, who said:
Umar ibn Khataab said:
There did not remain a thing in me from the practises of jahiliyya (era of ignorance), except that I don't care whom of the people I have penetrated (Nakh) or who of them have penetrated (Nakh) me.
[Tabaqat Al Kubra. Vol. 3, Pg. # 269 H. 3714.]
@@GatekeeperOfTruth
If you want to drink from the hawd, be sunni.
Ummm but you didn’t deal with the points he brought up?
Yes he did
Equally it could have been the case that Prophet(saws) would have said that Abu Bakr would be his first successor and so on. It could have been anything. Why Shia people have difficulty accepting the Qadr. Didn't Prophet(saws) wished his uncle to become muslim but that didn't happen. Whatever happened and whoever succeeded the Prophet (saws) all Muslims if they truly believe in divine decree then must accept all of them even if they are very distasteful to them.
I agree it could have been anything. The problem is that Umar refused the Prophet from writing this down, which is why we will never know. Is Umars ijtihad and judgement than the Prophet who received revelation?
Refreshing approach by shaikh but it's a pity no sufi tariqa has Umar ra in their top of the chain.
Sufis and ummah have missed out on this. He was a genius and in his opinion revelations were revealed. Pity
Oh so umar’s saying supersede Prophet’s saying?
Great, what don’t you make Umar a Prophet. Let Prophet Muhammad saww be a random human being for you.
Rawafidh munafiq: "Umar was a bad guy"
Sunni: "why did Imam Ali A.S name 2 of his sons after him"
Shia: "well..erm..it was a common name!"
Sunni: "irrelevant. The name is associated to the most prominent figure which is Umar Ibn Khattab R.A. Yazid was also a very common name. Several martyrs of karbala had the name or kunya mentioning fathers name which was Yazid. Which one of you Shia are gonna call yourself Yazid?"
Shia: "😨....sorry my mums calling me. Gtg bye" *whips himself in private*
Alhummduillah
All claims are from weak narrators and weak chains…shame you resorting to this low level by not giving a strong reply.
Habibi its in the sahih, How dare he speak to rasul Allah like that! You forget to mention that.
What did he say? Please provide the source as well.
the whole damn video is about the hadith and ur saying 'frgt to mention'😨 u ok bro?
@@neko7981 just like the Christians, Shias love to take things out of context.
Sunnis say that Umar spoke out of love and concern because he couldn’t bare to see the Prophet (S) undergo so much pain and discomfort.
@@mujahidkhalfan5246 Umar spoke not out of love nor of comcern, but out of knowledge. The others who disagreed with him spoke out of concern.
The Prophet (s.a.w.a.) was testing the companions (r.a.), whether you can edit your will on your deathbed or not. Umar (r.a.) and his shia passed the test, the other shia didn’t; thinking that the Prophet (s.a.w.a.) was an exception, which is not, or maybe out of obedience, which is not the case here. Rasulullah (s.a.w.a.) and his Ahlul Bayt (a.s.) [his wives AND his progeny] were not an exception from the Sharia. Rather, some laws are heavier for them, but never lighter. This is clear in Quran 33:28-34, among them is Ayat-e-Tathir (the verse of purification; Q33:33).
Totally agree!! I do have a question why was Ali (ra) cursed on the pulpit for many years. We Sunni do speak of the other the merits of the other companions but not many if Ali(ra) . Most Sunni don’t know much of The house of the prophet or Ali , in Sunni books not Shia writings
Your ignorance is just astonishing
@@rabyaahmed2817 insulting someone and not stating a point is the new stupidity. I will not stoop myself as a grown man who has actually went to a Islamic university to argue with such an ignorant statement. I love how you stated nothing but called me ignorant.
@@rabyaahmed2817 by the way how much do you know about what our scholars have said about Ali(ra) and the house hold of the prophet (Saw)you would be surprised on how he wasn’t so loved as we say we do.
many many ayah and ahadees are proof of umar r۔a high status in islam۔ 2nd khalifa no doubt❤❤❤
Ibn Sa’ad:
Narrated to us Ishaq bin Yusuf, from Muhammad bin Abdallah and Houdha bin Khalifa, who said: Narrated to us Ibn Awn, from Muhammad bin Sireen, who said:
Umar ibn Khataab said:
There did not remain a thing in me from the practises of jahiliyya (era of ignorance), except that I don't care whom of the people I have penetrated (Nakh) or who of them have penetrated (Nakh) me.
[Tabaqat Al Kubra. Vol. 3, Pg. # 269 H. 3714.]
Shia also claim that some of the sahabas run away from some of the war that was fought along side our prophet pbuh
Correct....
The rawafidh claim alot of things. Can never provide proof or evidences. Just made up stories
Why do you say "Sa'yasallam"? The way you send peace and blessings on the prophet is to say: "Sallah Allahu 'Alaihi wa Aaalihi wa Sallam". Do not eat up your words / be stingy with your words when you ask Allah to send the best of mankind, Sallah Allahu 'Alaihi wa Aalihi wa Sallam, the peace and blessings that Allah Himself bestows upon him. Say it ALL, in FULL.
So some alwai groups think the honourable Ali was meant to be the final prophet lol and “some” Sunni groups think companion Omar had more knowledge and gifts than our beloved prophet Muhammad peace be upon him , to the extent that Omar spoke Allahs words before the prophet was even aware of them… and Omar even corrected our prophet according to this guy and Hadith… at this stage it has to be questioned if these Hadiths were to be little our prophet and elevate others over him Allah forgive us🤦♂️ people hearing this you would think Omar was the prophet.. Allah forgive us..
Some Hadiths need to be disregarded when they contradict Islam and our purified prophet Muhammad PBUH..
What’s going on these days….
Lol, that's your twisted Shia understanding of what was said, nothing said here would indicate anything you just said. Stop making emotional arguments and use brain.
@@ottovon5182 I’m Not Shia ???? What the hell lol I’m an Australian revert to Islam must be a misunderstanding
you are gem
My question is did Ali ( Radi') have great arrogance to put himself on the throne disregarding anyone else? Why ? C'mon, why insult Ali in such a way from the very group that honors him so much.
According to the Quran Rasule Kareem is a ummi(unlettered), so this narration of the prophet asking for paper to write contradicts the Quranic verse.
He was unlettered at the time of revelation beginning, and revelation continued for 23 years.
Is it confirmed anywhere that he was unlettered even at the end of the revelation?
The word used by Umer was ھذیان (means nonsense). Check this hadith in Arabic. Its translation is done in such a way that the blame does not goes and no one can point fingers to Umer.
If you are really interested in knowing the early Islamic history without any bias then read these events chronologically
1. Ghadeer e Khumm
2. Expedition of Usama bin Zayd (just before death of prophet saw)
3. Hadith of pen and paper
4. Burial of the Prophet (Only 6 men were present)
5. Incident of Saqifa
I dont understand this Shia beleifs.....while Ali RA himself didn't have any issue whatsoever for Abu Bakr RA and Umar RA being caliphs before him....contrary to that Ali RA married Umar RA daughter later in life. Whats wrong with Shias....they hate unnecessarily we love Ali RA and ahlulbayt but we dont discriminate all of the wives of Prophet is Ahlul bayt.
Imam Ali absolutely had an issue. He literally tells them in Sahih Bukhari and Muslim that he believes they are liars and frauds
@@masteronmace Where is your proof....??? Quote me from Bukhari...!! All your Shia hadiths are concocted in kufa,Iraq...it's a political ideology...all of those hadiths are fabricated or shaped in a way to support your political ideology. There was no Shia or Sunni during Ali RAs lifetime...your false narrators created their own political ideology to rule the muslim land's thats the truth.
HAZRAT Ali had great respect for hazraat Umar and hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique, read nahjul balagha.
@@wisedome3433 Nahjul Balagha is a mix of bakri Hadiths and Shia Hadiths, we don’t use that as a main source instead rely on what Quran and Tafsir from Ahlulbayt says. Also, Mola Ali in Sunni books called Abu Bakr and Umar liars and frauds lol
@@masteronmace
In Usul e Kaafi and Majlisi's Hayat ul Quloob also both hazrat Umar and hazrat Abu Bakr Siddique are praised and their greatness is described
It’s sad these convos are for the world to see sometimes by responding it’s gives them more clout
These people r rejecting history
Leave them to it
As Salaam Alakuim
So Allah is not only Muhammad, but Umar's alter ego.
Its impossible that Umar could be a Prophet because no Prophet ever worshipped idols
Also many hadiths in Sunni tradition show Umar ra not knowing something
That is insightful. Thank you for clarifying the true sunni belief that Umar was more than on two dozen occasions more knowledgeable and wiser than the Prophet saww himself. Off course shias don't believe that and they are keen on counting the times when Umar showed sheer ignorance and cowardice in battlefields.
If that's what you got out of that then you need to seriously reflect on your mentality.
@@moulanakratos I am obliged to break it to you that your own comment comes from a place of ignorance.
And you are yourself responsible for that ignorance. Arguing with me won't help you either. The only solution for you is to get to the real source of all what they are discussing, read the classical books and get away from these internet clowns.
So umar is telling the prophet what’s best for him( regarding no one should see his wives.) Oh wow, so umar got more sense than Allah and the prophet. Ahahaha wow, may Allah forgive us all
You have brain of gold fish
Allah gives omar his blessings in.the umma by aformin omar opinion open your brain
@@freedomofplestaininsplesta5497 Alhamdulilah
Ahhhh and here is the shia "mental gymnastics".
the fact that Ali r.a. the gate of knowledge exeeds umar r.a. in an overall knowledge field and we sunnis recognize that- by ur logic ali r.a. is more knowledgeble than Allah or prophet s..m.
but luckily we dont have a fish brain and recognize the honors Allah has given his slaves and we look up to them with respect and take them as our role models instead of making a fuss over a bunch of nonarguments
At the end of the day it’s the prophet(pbuh) and his Ahlul bait(family) whom every Muslims are required to send blessing on every time they pray. No one else gets this honor and it’s nonnegotiable.
Umar said what?
'No, wait?'
Are you ashamed to quote the exact reply he (Umar) gave to the greatest man ever to live?
You are not doing justice to your followers.
( عمر يقول بأن النبي (ص) يهجر وحسبنا كتاب الله ) OMAR SAYS: THE MAN IS RAVING QURAN IS SUFFICIENT FOR US
صحيح البخاري - كتاب العلم - باب : كتابة العلم
الجزء : ( 1 ) - رقم الصفحة : ( 36 / 37 )
114 - حدثنا : يحيى بن سليمان ، قال : حدثني : ابن وهب ، قال : أخبرني : يونس ، عن ابن شهاب ، عن عبيد الله بن عبد الله ، عن ابن عباس ، قال : لما اشتد بالنبي (ص) وجعه ، قال : ائتوني بكتاب أكتب لكم كتابا لا تضلوا بعده ، قال عمر : أن النبي (ص) غلبه الوجع وعندنا كتاب الله حسبنا فاختلفوا وكثر اللغط ، قال : قوموا عني ولا ينبغي عندي التنازع فخرج ابن عباس ، يقول : إن الرزية كل الرزية ما حال بين رسول الله (ص) وبين كتابه.
Hope this might help for those seeking the truth !
What's the ruling about those who anger the Holy Prophet صلى الله عليه و اله و سلم كتاب الله )
( عمر يقول بأن النبي (ص) يهجر وحسبنا كتاب الله )
صحيح البخاري - كتاب العلم - باب : كتابة العلم
الجزء : ( 1 ) - رقم الصفحة : ( 36 / 37 )
Ammar naqhwani is popular shia on UA-cam
Knowledgeable, don't need to be popular....need to be authentic and transparent...
@@rabyaahmed2817 🤣🤣🤡🤡
Whether umar did it or not, Ali (AS) was the first declared khalifa of prophet muhammad SAW thanks to many explicit & unrefutable proofs from sunni literatures. :)
Here is 1 sample:
Prophet muhammad SAW said directly to Ali AS before going for battle of tabuk: "You are 'MY KHALIFA' over every believer after me."
Non Shiite Sources:
Kitab Al Sunnah by ibn abi asim. Sheikh Albani & others declared it authentic.
Al Mustadrak Al Hakim, Imam Hakim & Dhahbhi both declared it authentic.
Sunan Nasai Al Kubra, this hadith has the same authentic chain as above.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
How can someone be a khalifa of a nabi specially Muhammadur rasuluallah??
Yes it is true that among others Umar r.a prevented Ali for becoming first Khalifa. Besides Ali r.a. even didn't won't that position. But how it is that you as a believers don't understand that it was by Allah's s.v.t.a. decree and they were merely just sebabs. And that these events are also sebab for this enmity between so called Shias and so called Sunnis as a test. Why you don't preocupie with personal self instead ? Let the sahaba, it is not your business. I am a sunni, maturidi, hanefi and I consider my muslim brothers all shias. Their doctrine and practices are not my concern. It is between them and the Lord. We are all related.
All those who are seeking the truth should be honest with themselves and watch the claims made by Nakshwani and do their research. The response here is just a weak defense
@@imranabbas854 your nakshwani just cries lol his arguments have been refuted on multiple channels. Abandon your false Hadiths and your false ahl al bayt made by liars of Kufa. Embrace real Hadiths and real Ahl al Bayt
"Umar bin Khatab had permission (to even deny the Prophet's request)".
Hallelujah 😂
The Rafida might refute you with a "sahih" hadith by way of Ya'fur.
How can Sunnis not see that there is an issue here. Claiming 21 verses are revealed right after Umar said the verse, and that the Prophet SAW said if there was a prophet after him it would be Umar. Sunnis are hypocrites, if Shia said anything near like this about Ali ibn Abi Talib, we would get called kaffir.
Also Imam Ali A.S is in the Quran. Ghadeer was the announcement of Imam Ali A.S‘s successorship and the announcement of Ahlulbayt. The calamity of Thursday, was a test by the Prophet SAW on his companions, the Prophet SAW knew if he wrote the successor in his will, then the enemies would have destroyed it after. The way I view the calamity of Thursday is its purpose was a test of his companions. Now that eliminates the question of well why didn’t the Prophet SAW write it after ?
Umar was a complete idiot, he didnt even know tayannum. The guy doesnt even pray.
The point that keeps repeating in this video is that Umar's opinion was confirmed in the Quran. Isn't it true that the Quran we read today was actually complied and edited by Umar himself long after the death of the prophet PBUH? Can't you just put your own opinions into it being the Khalifa of such a young religion?
I would’ve agreed with this statement but i simply cant because its not just this point
There have been many other times where umar interjected where he clearly shouldn’t have.
Youre essentially trying to say that he knows more than the prophet which no one as a muslim should ever believe and if he does than there goes his emaan
😂 OMG. So Umar says something then God affirms it later?? Wallahi if we Shias said something like that about Imam Ali (as), we would be called kaffirs based on that alone. I guess when it comes to Umar everything is possible🤷🏻♂️
Lol, this is just an affirmation of correctness of some decisions. While you Shias think your Imams have Ilm al Ghayb same as Allah.
Nasibi shaking! Sunnism finished!
Correct yourself please. Bakriism*
He didn’t refute the points at all lol
He did very subtly.
Makes no sense that a leader, kjng, or a politician, or a CEO would die without appointing a commander in chief after him. Makes no sense to me. Let alone the final messenger of God pbuh.
Also why did Fatima die angry w Umar??
my guy cant do a single video with that naswar
the prophet had already chosen Ali on the day of Qadeer as his successor
Already refuted by the Ulama.
@@Holistic_Islam ye they've tried to cover the sun for centuries, but it's shining and obvious to those who have healthy and open eyes
@@mokhosh The Shia Rafidah Mushrikeen are surrounded by darkness, not the light of the sun. Sorry to burst your bubble.
@@Holistic_Islam oh please don't burst my bubble with so much reasoning and so many arguments 😄
@@mokhosh that's shia definition, bro. I would suggest you to read the incident in it's full context. It's not about giving sayyidna Ali the matter of leadership but to defend him and show his status, just as the prophet (SAW) said concerning sayyidna Umar that "there was to have a Prophet after me, it would have been 'Umar bin Al-Khattab." But we don't take this litterary and start treating sayyidna Umar like a prophet. So, try to see the whole picture, bro
Wow I’ve seen some desperate claims to try and paint Umar in a good light but this was something else! Haha - whatever Umar said it became an ayah of the Quran?!?! Haha wow.
And in that entire video you didn’t address the Calamity of Thursday which was what Sayed Ammar discussed in an hour lecture.
You stick with Umar and I’ll stick with Imam Ali 😂
Syeddina Ali is with Syeddina Umar. You are lost.
In under 8 minutes shiaism debunked notice the shias will say weak arguements but do they have counter replies no just same old copied and pasted rhetoric from one website to another. Yet there own shia imams never spoke of this pen and paper incident there orimary sources dont even have a shia isnad for this report. !
Stupid time to do this when Shias are helping Palestine, whilst you guys doing nothing like me.
The incident of the paper is not an example of revelation confirming Umar, it is an example of Umar contradicting and disobeying the Prophet ﷺ.
You change the topic to discuss umpteen different issues in this short clip, but not that!
@@kkassam You think it is disobedience?
@@aminububa851 yes, he forcefully overruled the request of Rasulullah ﷺ taking advantage of his illness.
Please stop raising the sayyiduna umar to such a high level. The naration the brother mentoned about the wives of the prophet gathering and umar RA sayying عسى ربه إن طلّقكن and the same aya later beng reveled in the Quran, was this why surah tahreem was revealed. What about the story of the honey. The aya doesn't have anything to do with what he is refering to. Also just the idea that sayyiduna umar's exact words ended up becoming quran, what does that say about Quran's challenge of coming up with an aya like the quran. Had such narrations been reported about sayyiduna Ali people would have been quick to ask these questions.
1) it is just that verse not the whole sura
2) the challenge is for those trying mimic the Quran. Umar was not trying to do that.
So umar was wiser than the most beloved of Allah (swt). Shame on you.
Not overall wiser, but sometimes he was on certain issues.
Allah SWT blessed him with wisdom.
You believe Imam know the unforeseen, know when they will die etc. So what is the issue of being wise?
May Allah continue to elevate the Farouq!!
Elevate where to!
Be precise...
Bukhari 9:87:111
Muslim 26:5428
Muslim 30:5654
Bukhari 8:73:220
Bukhari 6:60:226; also Bukhari 6:60:1 and Bukhari 6:60:170
Bukhari 7:62:142
Bukhari 1:5:268
And there is soo many more hadiths that I can’t believe come out of peoples mouths. These Hadiths insult the prophets character SAW. He is the best creation of Allah. He is not suicidal bewitched or delusional. He doesn’t make mistakes. He is protected by Allah. Yet the Sunni school is busy defending the sahaba when the sahaba are making a mockery out of the Prophets character morals and conduct.