Saltagreppo Leaked his FINAL SHAPE Patch Notes | Aztecross Reacts
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- Опубліковано 30 кві 2024
- Today, we're taking a look at a tweet from Saltagreppo where he goes over some PvE changes he'd like to see made in The Final Shape. We gave our thoughts and opinions on some of the changes he wants.
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"Aw shit, here we go again"
And now the hornet's nest has been kicked lmao
The Jim's hornet's... Only Jims complain about those based takes.
But I get it, he can play with his eyes closed and be better than 60% of the players, they get butthurted when he says "Hi"
@@FcoEnriquePerez I'm kind of inbetween myself. Some of these changes are good and some aren't in my opinion
It's crazy how mad people get when one of the best players of all time suggests changes. Instead of nuance and reading people just rage and scream
These are all reasonable suggestions though. I have often rolled my eyes at greppos suggestions and rants, but these are great.
”Devrim, have you seen a hornet recently?”
Casual players are gonna execute this man by firing line for these takes
I know someone that wants to off his fingers and tongue... and he is pretty close to him lol 😆
And he suggested mostly buffs. Heck his first suggestion was a buff.
The big thing about the changes he suggests to damage resistance is how Bungie creates encounters and activities. They’ve said before (with Reckoning) that they specifically design activities to account for our loadouts (Well with Phoenix and Tether with Orpheus). When things get nerfed it rarely seems like activities are balanced around the “new normal.” So if well gets nerfed really hard, I hope the raids and activities that were designed with well in mind are adjusted accordingly. Sure let the game be hard, but some activities become borderline impossible without any help.
Salt is Bruno !
Crota is undswordable without well. Other than him though well isn’t mandatory technically speaking anywhere else.
Whats annoying though are bosses that hit hard from range during a damage phase. It’s incredibly annoying to have run for cover mid dmg phase for no reason when you’ve been fighting already to get to the phase. Every boss that hits you during a dmg phase needs some kind of skill check/mechanic to allow the dmg phase to go unhindered.
It isn’t fun to have to scramble around while dealing dmg. Outside of Rhulk and Nezarec who can be *dodged* , I want the fighting part of the encounter to be the fighting, not damaging the boss.
warlords ruin was designed to be anti well and it works just fine
All the different multipliers and power levels hanging around d2 make me wonder if a broad “enemy damage lowering” to account for less Damage resistance would even be possible.
Regarding hand cannons, it's because they already got a 75% damage buff against majors. They don't need the extra help to feel good.
Then again handcannons have a way slower rpm compared to autos, smgs and pulse rifles
@@salutations6370smgs, autos, pulses, scouts feel super weak against everything.
It's mainly bc of lucky pants that they don't need anything else
@@senate2674especially pulses and scouts. I have a feeling we are going to see a pretty substantial pulse rifle buff in the final shape.
Smgs and pulse rifles still need help in endgame PvE
Let me go LFG real Quick for pantheon..
Hit me up, I got a 0.23 kd (in pve) and I can run xenotaph
I hopped on earlier and found a team in 5 minutes. Why are u guys always crying you can't find a team
@@projectxraptureAnyone can get a team. But finding a GOOD team is something far different
@@projectxrapture it’s not about finding one. It’s not being kicked from it for not knowing the mechanics.
@typeqtv well I guess if you're pretending to know mechanics and then you don't I would be pissed too. Not saying you're doing that but If you need to learn the mechanics there's tons of videos on UA-cam for reference
What’s funny is saltagreppo’s raid team got nerfed before well
What do you mean?
salt just reminds me of the 1 kid in the class who would remind the teacher to give us homework.
irrelevant and adds nothing to the conversation, nice
@@Blanktester685 irrelevant and adds nothing to the conversation, nice
@@Blanktester685shitting on someone’s comment for making a joke - very cash money
@@Blanktester685salt doesn’t either
indeed
giving void the highest damage resist while having also access to devour and nerfing strand that has no regen effect is a bad move in terms of resitances. would just make void what solar was after its 3.0 upgrade
I thinks it’s because overshields can be destroyed whereas all the other ones are just on a timer for how long they last
Do you know how many void titans are running around pvp? its fking annoying @@KingLeaps
@@Gh_ost-x The damage resist form over shield does nothing in pvp they just get extra heath
Warlocks on strand have 90 percent damage reduction, hunters have Decoy and titans have BoW and you don't even have to include woven mail... the survivability on strand is already massively better than void, especially if you take health orbs on your leg armor. 70% dmg resist on void overshield for pve would just mean your dmg reduction wouldn't be removed by 1 hit in endgame content
@@Gh_ost-x literally all the changes he suggested were targeted only to pve and like stated here overshield doesnt add dr in pvp only extra hp.Void overshield in gm content rn gets destroyed practically instantly from any kind of damage.
Buff legendary primaries - agree, maybe not the full 40% though.
Make arm mods useful again - agree.
DR nerf - mostly disagree. 15% for 10 stat tiers is gonna make me dump stat RES for REC again. Nerfs to time-limited buffs like Woven Mail/OS would be fine if they got their duration bumped up. Nerfing DR broadly will just incentivize more endgame solar resto spam. Nerfing the stasis crystal resist... why. Stasis needs help not nerfs.
Rebalance super regen - agree, and make INT a decent stat.
BoW Titan - somewhat agree. Making a broad change to grapple to fix a niche damage strat is not a good solution. But something needs to be done before raid day to counter the grapple smack strat.
Buff suspend - somewhat agree. Suspend is still pretty strong and has very high uptime if you know what you're doing. Could maybe implement tiered suspension for longer duration based on source. Ex, weaver's trance - tier 1 (3 seconds), suspending slam - tier 2 (5 seconds), shackle nade - tier 3 (7 seconds)
Buff Shatter - neutral. Stasis needs help but shatter is already quite good, especially in groups. Would rather see super reworks, new key words, and buffing slow to solve the stasis problem rather than making it's best aspect better. Won't complain about more stasis buffs though.
Rework leg mods - agree.
Ceno stacking - neutral, don't know/care.
Overall I think Salt diagnosed the problems, I'm just not really down with his solutions personally. No hate to him, just sharing my thoughts. Good on Salt for raising thoughts/ideas even if it paints a target on his back.
Yep, he knows where the issues lie but his suggested implementations are a but blunt force trauma
Yeah, I don't agree with a lot of Salt's suggestions to fix problems.
DR definitely does not need nerf, enemies need reworking/balancing and damage consistency across the board, Strand and Stasis have damage resistance because they don’t have easy healing options like the light subclasses that’s their whole point, stasis is suppose to get frost armor at some point with buffs to make it strong like strand
Agreed. He generally knows how to identity potential issues, but has no clue how to actually address them in a balanced way that 1) creates a net positive for the general dedicated D2 player's experience (I'd argue even his own) and 2) doesn't create more problems while exacerbating/reigniting ones from the past.
We basically all lost when Bungie ruined energy return mods nerfs and stuff scaling in the manner they do, it's a real issue.
Delicate Tomb's exotic perk is literally great value voltshot while we're on the topic of buffing exotics. It also hits like a wet noodle in +15-+20 level difficulty.
the yapper of the year strikes again
He's 100% right about primaries badly needing a buff. They've been in a sorry state since Shadowkeep to be honest, but especially since Forbearance came out
I'm usually an advocate of incremental changes, which is hard when you only have ideally only a mid-season patch and a new season patch. I think at least the primary damage change would be good if they split the extremes - gives all primaries the 20% buff to minors that exotics have. That way exotics still feel powerful, but primaries don't feel useless. Either way, making legendary primaries good again will just return to people saying "Why would you waste your exotic slot on a primary?"
I really haven't thought much about it, but the fact that so many people would rather run double special, makes that even more true now that I think about it.
@@Kuhmodo Yup and I hate running double special, it removes the feeling of it being more powerful than primary ammo.. then there's ammo to worry about (less so with the special finisher but still)
@@hhaste > "Why would you waste your exotic slot on a primary?"
you still have the power ammo generation buff from exotic primaries and a plethora of amazing legendary power options. The only main difference I could see would be Witherhoard potentially making a more prominent return for one person on the fireteam.
@@BigWill076 But thats the thing, if you use an exotic primary because of its damage instead of its trait, then the exotic is just a buffed up legendary
we should want to use exotics for its exoticness, not a higher number
Saltagreppo should really stop talking on the internet... Never ends well
For his sake
@@vinceoverheaven nah. For our sake.
@@AnimeNinjaKing I didn’t wanna say it 😭
People like u are so annoying, he’s not wrong on a lot of things he says you’re just mad over it cause u wanna only stand in a well with div for every encounter. Stick to strikes
@@AnimeNinjaKingyoure shit at the game and mad about it. You WANT a worse game
Saltgreppo confirmed, The Final Yapping
The one thing I want to see come in the year of TFS is more Stasis/Strand Supers.
-Stasis Hunter: Ice Katana. (works like Golden Gun) You have 3 slashes that deal high dmg and apply Slow. Hitting enemies effected by Slow and Freeze boosts the Slashes DMG. So without using additional sources of Slow, the 1st slash would do normal dmg, the 2nd would do more due to the 1st applying Slow. The 2nd would then add enough Slow to Freeze making the 3rd do even more dmg.
-Strand Hunter: Giant Whirling Maelstorm. This is a one-off super like Nova bomb. It summons a giant Whirling Maelstorm, but it can be destroyed by either enemies or yourself. destroying it causes it to split into 2 Maelstorms. They both can be split a final time to have 4 giant Maelstorms Unraveling everything around.
-Stasis Warlock: Stasis Turret. With the new Void Titan super introducing interactability with our subclasses, I'm going to bring it here aswell. This super will unleash a burst of Stasis dmg around you spawning in a Stasis Turret that you can use. (Similar to the turrets from D1). This Turret has Unlimited ammo but instead uses your super meter to fire. I really wanted to play into the Stasis Warlock fantasy (Tower Defense) and bring it to 11.
-Strand Warlock: Threadling Master. This will be a state change similar to the new Song of Flame (Radiance from D1). While in this state, you have massively reduced CDs, and always have the max Threadlings you can possibly carry. These Threadlings can travel further, faster and do WAY more dmg than normal Threadlings.
-Stasis Titan: Ranged Ice Fists. This super will be similar to how Blade Barrage works. The Titan leaps into the air and punches several times, each launching a Stasis Projectile that does high Dmg.
-Strand Titan: Suspending Slam. The Titan slams the ground once and creates a massive AoE Field. Enemies within the field get Suspended and Severed for the Supers entire Duration. And the Titan and it's allies are given Woven Mail.
I like the katana idea but may I propose using the karmas as a roaming super
@@arjunbaweja7755 I like the gameplay that gets introduced by weaving the Hunters melees and Duskfield into your Slash combos.
Bruh, 3 slashes for a single kill with a super???? Am I reading that wrong? That would be so shit it’s not even funny. If it works like spectral blades but you had to do what warlock do with the freeze first the heavy attack for shatter I’d be interested in the idea but you gotta be joking thinking I wanna use three attacks for a single kill.
@@ashketchum8431 If you would read the part in the very beginning that says "works like Golden Gun" you'd understand its supposed to be used for boss DPS not ad clear.
@@Soon22400 yea but what makes it better than current though? It just sounds like another one off but with three hits instead of a single animation. I’m just confused cause the current super is a one off that does decent damage over a decently long duration so do you mean it works like 6 shot goody or celestial single shot Goldie, that’s where I’m confused.
As someone who likes doing solo stuff, we DO NOT NEED resilience nerfed. People who want to play solo should be able to without sacrificing their first born child.
Hes saying it should be more consistent but it doesn’t surprise me you dont understand. He wants it nerfed so bungie can actually balance damage instead of forcing players onto high res
Gulp gulp gulp
How that world first pesrl necklace?@@jackruth4406
@@jackruth4406 yh well he worded it poorly or shud have simplified it. They should nerf the spikes in damage first them nerf resilience. the community will be good with that. getting one shoot at full hp with x 2 or 3 resist isn't fun . its just annoying and cheap
@@jaypey8253 not how that works if they nerf damage spikes then we are invincible they need to happen at the same time
Endgame PvE has lost stakes because you can survive a lot of stuff, it used to be that GMs were actually scary and not a walk in the park that u farm with randoms on LFG
Daaaammm cross you said "Titans you need to understand, Heart is trash now" I knew you where a warlock main now but dude that shit hurts don't have to brush it. 😂
He's also completely wrong about that but i mean he's defending salt. It's to be expected
I’m a titan main and think that Heart is definitely crap now. I would rather just use other exotics like lorely for solar, point contact cannon embrace for arc, and Doom Fang for void.
Nerfing Resilience is a bad take.
This is a bad take
@@Noname-ol8ef His comment, or Salt's comment? This commenter's comment was absolutely a good take. Salt quite literally says in his post that he wants overall ALL DR to be nerfed for the enemy balance to actually get balanced, however, this quite literally just encourages players to re-dump ALL of their states into recov AGAIN. He is quite literally band aid fixing these issues and creating the exact same issues as before.
Oh no a stat that hasnt been useful in years would be useful again, a real tragedy @rayne217
@@ducisimperium4235 Wrong, it would be returning to the recov dump we've had since shadowkeep up until the resil changes. Use your brain and eyes in tandem, the results will be surprising.
@@ducisimperium4235 Oh, and recov is useful, just less useful than resil because of the balancing of the game, our DR, and enemy damage as a whole.
Salt needs to do one not everyone is a streamer playing this game for work at an ungodly level. Sick of streamers whining about builds that are too strong let us have fun… it’s a game!
Nerf resiliance when its already possible to get two shot ? I don't understand.
Not only that, they just nerfed it a year ago as well.
He’s saying the amount of dmg enemies do to you should also be lowered to even things out so ur not pressured into running max resil all the time
He’s saying nerf things that do those crazy damage to guardians so they won’t do that anymore, and then lower the damage resist so if you run DR you are actually gonna still take some damage but still feel like it does something
@@UniqueTechnique29 Yeah he's not making any sense. We are already dying quick enough and he wants us to die faster since he wants to nerf the subclass DR also.
@@the-art-of-whoopinyobehind6666 He didn't say anything about nerfing enemy damage. Cross just assumed that for no reason. I'm guessing because the dude is saying some things that are so insane you wouldn't believe he voiced his entire opinion on it. But he did. Dude wants to buff primaries and basically nerf everything else into the ground.
Other than the proposed DR nerfs being a bit too harsh, I can agree with most of those suggestions.
Inconsistent damage is definitely a problem and my main gripe with PvE right now. I absolutely despise the "Threat" modifiers, giving certain damage types massively increased damage makes encounters feel super inconsistent and results in instant and unexpected deaths that are extremely frustrating, especially in Onslaught.
When the boss room is filled with enemies on that all use weapons that match the active Threat it just feels ridiculously oppressive. Getting practically insta-gibbed by Shielded Demolitionist Wizards on the current Arc threat before you can take the immune shield down is BS. And don't get me started on the Arc Sniper Shanks...
Dr. Nerf is meant for the skill, which will make noobs cry
get better
Keep moving. Enemy ai isn't good at tracking moving targets.
@@funnystranger3380 or just gravitate to meta builds.... making the game flatout harder pushes viable builds out the door. for example lets say you want to run tommy's matchbook build, good luck surviving with this nerf. If his intention is like what aztecross said to avoid massive damage jumps and drops like snipers and ogres where they hit like a truck compared to everything else instead it would be more consistent. I just can't see how nerfing resistance will help the game flat out on everything with NO restrictions it just funnels the already big issue where everyone will just be forced to use resistance mods just to play the game.
Its is also about dumb one shots that are in the game. Like the Torment scythe slam from onslaught. That does far too much damage. Apart from that Ogres range attack is too high rate of fire. Making it hit harder but shoot a lot slower would sort of remedy the issue, like make them cannons instead of the A-10 Warthog they are now. Wizards are relatively better, a slight drop in fire rate/ damage would be nice if they do reduce the DR. But Ogres are stupid RN.
I'm going to look forward for the well nerf. So I can finally use the subclass I want and not be in charge of making sure we can damage check a boss.
just don’t use well play how you want to play
@@PowerrewoPthe game is balanced around well
You will still be forced on well if your the only warlock
At this point I'm going to crush my ghost and 1v1 The Witness bare knuckle 😂
Hardcore D2 players REALLY underestimate the Casual to Hardcore playerbase%
Edit: To everyone saying I didn’t watch the video, thanks for proving my point 😂
0.1 to 99?
These changes would be good for newer players
Did u even read the post 😭😭😭
You really didn't read this
@@jackruth4406slurp slurp slurp
He made a lot of good points, and ones that I've always talked about. Exotics being good ONLY because of extra damage, doesn't make them exotic. It's just lazy. People swear on weapons like sunshot, but it's almost no different than the KF handcannon, except it hits harder because "exotic". Legendary primaries feel so bad in high end pve, especially autos, pulses, and scouts (outside of modes where you can just sit and shoot from afar).
Also, as a warlock player, WE NEED MASSIVE DAMAGE INCREASES ON SUPERS. Our supers hit like wet noodles in comparison to hunters or titans, so if well gets nerfed, why tf would you even run warlock anymore? You would be a complete liability to a raid team because you do the worst damage and can't do team support anymore.
There's a lot more to talk about from this vid, but we'd be here forever lol.
If you're not well, you're on strandlock since that's the only good dmg super warlocks have :(
from a warlock main to another i wholeheartedly agree that supers need buffs. wtf is chaos reach and slow nova is just bad dps. interesting idea for skull of dire ahamkara to boost nova damage maybe? but in terms of well nerf i really couldnt care less about it as long as i get to move at lightspeed with funny sword.
You wanna talk to titans about ass supers? Lol...if warlocks supers got a damage buff they would be the undisputed best class in the game bar none...and they're allready allmost there tbh. I'm not trying to say you guys don't need changes but titan supers suck hot dog shit unless proped up by the 2 exotics that make them good (Pyrogale, and cuirass)
Going to strongly disagree with you on the 'Sunshot is just like the KF HC' thing, Sunshot's chaining explosions clear entire waves of adds in a single kill. I would argue it completely trivialises certain parts of combat encounters for example in Onslaught or Warlord's Ruin final boss, you kill one dude and the whole floor is cleared instantly. Incandescent HC only does one explosion and it doesn't always kill what gets hit by the explosion either.
Trying to get HC precision kills in Onslaught for the Luna's Howl quest was a nightmare when all the enemies die after one of my teammates shoots one with Sunshot or Grav Lance and it chains and chains until nothing is left 🤣
@@Fatlumpthe1st I disagree with the guy but solar hcs with incandescent equally chain explosions
9:26 On the note about loadout swapping I totally agree! I recall my solo flawless in GotD. On the Ecthar on damage I need (a) swap to Arbalest to break the shield, (b) swap to special damage loadout with surges and two weapons with Harmonic Resonance to buff my Briar's Contempt, then (c) after damage swap back to clear build. The same on the last boss.
And of course on all those dayone raids you are willing to get extra heavy, because it is simply an effective way to do it. After every wipe, swap, get ammo, swap back...
Before Lightfall swapping had a small tradeoff - you lose some stat points in exchange for extra utility. Losing stats is not very hurting, but it is something. But with the loadout system, you can optimize everything. Get regular loadout with resists, on damage swap to damage loadout with surges, after damage swap to ammo collecting loadout with scavengers and reserves, then back to regular loadout with resists. You may not do that, but why not? It is very effective in challenge runs. This is why I really enjoy GMs - you pick loadout once and never ever think about swapping during GM. You focus on the gameplay and the strategy to optimize your run during farm.
You dont need to do that
I had one loadout for the entire encounter which worked super fine
Under over on scattersignal (5 shots to break the shield) and lament for dmg.
But i see the critics on the loadout swapping.
But bungie giving us loadouts (heavily requested by the players) was guaranteed to be abused. Because everyone has to be perfectly min maxed on everything because having unoptimized fun is a thing you cant do in salt world (sarcasm)
If people would just chill and stop being so competitive EVERYWHERE you wouldnt need all this
Anyway have a nice day
ohh look at the Resilience idea Destiny Souls is now confirmed. yea no lie though if the resilience became that low i would retire earlier before doing the final shape. on the other hand Prismatic looks Insanely fun. also im a TITAN MAIN
you should retire then
@PraiseNotch Nah Final Shape Actually looks like it's going to be ENTERTAINING and I Love ENTERTAINMENT ❤️
15% passive damage resist is still insanely strong. If youre unable to dodge telegraphed heavy attacks then just say so
@@vex6213 it is?? Hmmm
@@devmen3210 any damage you take is 5/6 of what it would be, for free. With 0 effort. On top of other resistance sources… not a complicated thought process
“Teacher didn’t give us homework”
Same energy ong
Salt really is that guy
How 1 guys opinion can make every casual lose their minds I have no idea
@@eli8585 we'll never know tbh these guys want to be handheld through everything in live
@@eli8585🤓
I would like if Legendaries got buffed so Exotics only did like 15% to 20% more damage than them so I don't feel like I'm shooting marshmallows at high level enemies with Legendaries
Yeah, I agree. I feel like giving all legendaries the full 40% is too much, but around a 10-15% buff wouldn't hurt.
@@TheUnlucky777then we go back to never using exotic primarys lmao
@@Barrett1 exactly. Because exotics don't have access to damage perks or minor spec, no one would run them if legendaries did more damage out of the gate
It's funny. I feel like people forgot when all we did was run exotic heavies 😭
@@aczeosExactly, I don’t want to go back to that.
“Who tha fuck is that guy?”
Sgreppo :
" You Know who i am. ! "
Literally i don't Know who tha fuck is That guy. Seriously
@@Axe01994did you watch ANY raid race? Or evans videos?
@@Axe01994world first raider in several raids, basically everyone in the destiny community knows who he is
If you don't your lucky ome, biggest waste of life in the entire community
salt needs to focus on school
hoping to hell bungie don't listen to this. Salt is a great destiny 2 player.. doesn't means he knows what's best for the game. it means he knows what is best for him, what would be most fun for him, which there's nothing wrong with, especially since the game isn't designed around him. nor should it be.
unfortunately for you bungie want to balance their game, hell they even had the divinity nerf in the works before everyone hated on salt for saying it should be nerfed. bungie are gonna balance their game and i dont see anyone saying good counter arguments against any of salts points its all just "muhh top 1% want game hard" instead of actually engaging with anything hes said. bungie already said they have nerf incoming for well in final shape, salt is just pretty smart and knows how the game balance works so anything salt bring up as OP is probably already under bungies radar anyway since they already have the data for what people use and dont use.
The majority of what he said here is a decent idea though, perhaps barring the DR changes. I think Bungie needs to be careful with those.
@@user-ng2lk5wv4p Onslaught has shown me that there are more shit players than I ever thought possible. Nerfing DR and the other survivability verbs would be a detriment to the rest of the player base. MMO's die when they start catering to the pros rather than the majority of the player base.
@@lamp6381 That's my concern, making the game harder for casual players will only result in them leaving the game, bro thinks that destiny is going to survive with only the "tryhard" part of the community
how do you know it’s best only for him?
Other content creators talk, community: Let them talk, they have a good opinion and much more.
Salte talk, community: You say a word and we end you.
Literally is what i have seen all the time.
because he says stupid ass shit
his takes are valid as well
It’s cuz when he talks it’s usually about nerfing something and bungie seems to follow up on his requests.
Most people don’t like their stuff getting nerfed
@@the-art-of-whoopinyobehind6666 Does bungie follow his requests, or is he as a seasoned high-level player intimately aware of the same imbalances as bungie, that they can gleam through user analytics?
Food for thought
@@OldemarFIN yes you are explaining why they seem to follow up on his requests
For the record, salt is probably aware of more imbalances in the game than bungie is
the issue with Destiny 2 is that in recent content, they throw so many sources of damage at players because we use Well, making it NEEDED for everything, but they keep telling us to stop using it. If you want me to stop using Well, than stop forcing me to stand in one fucking spot the entire damage phase for the ability to deal the fucking damage
My issues with ogres and stuff is once I start getting hit the flinch makes it so I can't even run away.. and don't even get me started on shriekers tracking attacks. Attacks that track you even when your running away should do less damage because of the tracking..
flinch is everyone's worst enemy
Moment I saw "saltagreppo" in the title I'm like "UUUGGGGGGH what is he yapping about now"
You suck at the game and are mad about it. You also want a worse game
Lol😂 same here I’m like oh here we go again. Mr elitist talking rubbish but tbf on this one, he ain’t wrong.
Honestly F*** "saltagreppo"
@@lukebrown52elaborate. Because he has a different opinion and it hurts your feelings? Womp womp baby boy. Grow up. You’ll never survive in real life
@@lukebrown52 youre bad and mad
A member of BannedElysium
hahaha
Woven mail is already kinda a pain in the ass to proc w/o the artifact mod. This change would kill it imo
You know you can just pick an orb, right?
Picking up an orb seems easy enough
The one thing I can fully agree with Salt on is that Well of Radiance is a CRUTCH, and if the nerf is good enough, people are going to be hard exposed
Edit: I actually agree with this post as a whole tbh. Even the legendary buff. Legendary primaries feel like waterguns in endgame pve rn.
Edit 2: 11:41 BASED
Ill give Salt his flowers for being a top tier player. However, there isnt a single thing in this post that doesnt get him out of the "i want the game balanced around how me and my 5 worlds first gamer friends play the game" narrative.
Content creators/players call for nerfs and balance all the time but theres always some sort of middle ground between the casuals and the hardcore players. All the changes ive seen him recommend are just changes he wants because he plays the game for a living and wonders why he never feels challenged
i feel like you people never attack the arguments people make but instead the people behind them? can you point to a single suggestion in this video that is so outlandish it could only benefit "worlds first gamer friends" i personally think salt didnt miss here all the suggestions seem well reasoned and grounded in reality. I dont think you wouldve made this comment if you never knew salt was behind these takes tbh
People like @kevinleedenman arent actually smart enough to understand how these changes are positive to everyone. They’d rather shitty boss design and cheap one shots rather than an engaging game.
@@jackruth4406 bro you are literally giving Salt lip service in every reply. Chill.
@@user-ng2lk5wv4p Destiny players can only react emotionally, and not logically lol
@@savagewraith no im responding to idiots like you who hate for no reason. You cant even give a retort and you have to literally lie and make stuff up. You’re bad, mad, a liar and a bad person. Get over yourself its an opinion
The thing about the infinite grapple melee BoW titan is that to ACTUALLY utilize it to it's full potential (ie solo dungeon speedruns) takes a very high level of skill and practice to actually use... which most players just don't have...
On a similar note... if I'm being totally honest, it's hard to take a lot of the "make the game 2x harder" points seriously from a top 0.01% player in the game... the most worlds first clears, trio/duo/solo flawless raids, solo GMs, etc. 99% of the player base is not performing at this level... It makes no sense to make some of these types of changes for such a small demographic in your player base.
Also a large nerf to well is just going to send us back to the ursa furiosa banner shield spam days... which imo is significantly more boring and less skilled (you can still die in a well in -15+ content, but you cant die behind a banner shield which has 100% DR)
"takes a lot of skill" stop the cap, takes less than an hour to learn and u set. his takes today didn't even significantly make the game harder (for once)
@@Kait07_ i been playing destiny since d1 and the damage reduction and well nerf are not healthy for the game. It probably won’t even apply to most of the high end players my self included and just gate keep casuals and new players from higher end content
@@travonherrono I was mainly talking about the other stuff since everyone is aware he loves a well nerf
@@travonherrono but his super regen take for well was valid tho
1. BoW melee spam aint hard to learn, even to its full potential. it just takes a lot of this playerbase a long time to do things period. 2. i completely forgot about ursa shield lol idk it could be fun as a refresher/something different. 3. nerf well dps buff to make bubble relevant again, keep the healing/dr the same honestly its not even that op.
I actually 100% agree with him on the chunks of ability energy ruined a lot of good builds
salt…I think some things need to stay in the drafts 😅
Wow, Salt wants every weapon except the white quality Khovostov deleted from the game? What an elitist.
Did you even watch the video or are you saying this just to get attention
@@drewleer7854 jokes dont go over well with you huh
@@udontknowme00 at this point you can’t even tell if it’s a joke people have sent death threats to salt before after all
Definitely one of his less inflammatory post. Most of them actually seem fairly reasonable and in good faith.
Especially when he brings up Buff and Nerfs... not just Nerfs😅
I dont agree with all the points but like Stasis and Suspend needing PVE buffs is true.
If Salt thinks that all players have high end-game sweaty teammates like he does then he’s def trippin.
Most players do LFG and solo content and not being at raids 24/7 like him nor his mates, I see how he’s trying to give warlocks non-stop nerfs ideas while he cant on titan/hunter. Warlocks got nerfed the most, starfire protocol, contraverse hold, lunafaction, osmiomancy, well of radiance overshield, and more, now cenotaph.. but for titans he wants for WoB and grapple cooldown?? Why isnt he asking for Synthos+wormgod nerfs??? My guy is hunting for warlocks while in fact theyre just playing well cuz it is the best teamfight utility especially in day1.
Resilience is nerfed from 40% to 30% and now if it goes to 15%, no one is going 100 resilience anymore. Div is nerfed too but players are going for tractor. I hope bungie focuses on gameplay issues and mods than reworking supers and abilities and take away the stupid super meta builds that people can take bosses solo such as one two punch titans by either nerfing the perk or melee damage.
Team mates that get banned for cheating at that.
>focus on [...] reworking mods
Huge agree. Mods should be extremely powerful, but balanced such as to force players to pick the RIGHT ones to make their build work. It can be genuinely hard for solo/non-endgame players to get their hands on high-stat armor; the average player doesn't even have *one* stat at 100, and if they do, it is *invariably* Resilience.
Very strong mods would dramatically offset that, and could take the pressure off of stats, *especially* Res, to do as much heavy lifting as they do. Stats could then become "modifiers" to mods, making them less mandatory for all players, but especially strong if you do manage to get them in the upper tiers.
yeah he doesn't understand that the average destiny player struggles to do endgame activities as it is not everyone runs with a six stack of top tier players.
@@GlobalTRIGGER And majority of the playerbase needs to understand that endgame content shouldn't be accessible to everyone, it's endgame for a reason. Get good at the game or you don't clear the activity.
@@KLGChaos First teammate got banned for recovs(which isn't cheating), second teammate got banned for running a program which has nothing to do with Destiny, and they admitted to that too, they won't unban because then they would have to go back and unban everyone else they banned over the years for the same thing, and they're too fucking lazy to do that.
I gotta say I mostly agree with this and actually especially the primary changes. I think we are in a meta that considering all other options we would still probably use legendery rockets, linears, etc. it is really the significance of exotic specials I'd like to see increased. It has been a long time since exotic specials really shined outside the usual suspects (Izi's for swap, witherhoard for people who can't get over it, etc.) and having exotic specials be an optimal option would be nice.
i love how his BoW solution just nerfs Hunters for no reason even though they are already the worst class when it comes to grapple melee, while also supposedly being the grapple themed strand class
hunters could just get buffs in other ways make them slightly more garbage then they are now is irrelevant.
BoW is a fine subclass right now. In high level content you can easily be nuked even with x4 BoW and woven mail. Plus that one-two-punch shotgun combo was the primary reason why it did such high damage and it was nerfed last month.
Plus Legend onslaught is nothing but warlocks and hunters while titans are basically kicked on sight by a lot of players
@@IRUNASSULT DUDE THAT LAST SENTENCE IS ON POINT I AM BORN TO TITAN FORCED TO VOID HUNTER BECAUSE I ALSO KNOW TITAN IS NOT AS OP AS EFFIN ORPHEOUS RIG/PHEONIX PROTOCL SUPPER SPAM. (woops cap lock)
@@LoathsomePopoEater Onslaught is only a piece of the pie.
And plus, tether wasn't used that much until onslaught arrived, which was an activity that was basically designed to make tether meta.
And in reality, most of the content in the game is dominated by grapple Banner of war spam.
@@Noname-ol8ef Quite literally the only place I see BoW is on light content or anything that is not legend/master/grandmaster. BoW dies extremely fast when shit hits hard AND fast, not hits weak and fast. Realistically, the hardest activity you can run BoW and still get real value from the aspect IMO is normal crota, but you can still get obliterated in 2-3 swings from the green man if outside damage is included, which most of the time is.
I’ve seen this one before, though I mostly agree w most his things in here icl
So with the suggested resilience changes should we all just form a konga line and play invis hunters when entering a GM ?
Hunters have the opposite issue of warlocks. Born to solar, forced to void
skill issue if you needed invis hunter prior to resil changes.
@@Blanktester685Getting one shot by a line rifle you can’t even see is absolutely a skill issue
@@bl6628Born to knife forced to smoke
@@chopin1962 Sounds like a brit to me 😆
Last time I was not on board but this time around gotta say that most of these would be good changes or at least make sense
Salt doesn’t understand Overshields.
Void Overshield should be something that perfectly blocks all damage, but has a small health pool. You are invincible for the few seconds you have it, where as Woven Mail should reduce incoming damage.
Stasis Overshield should be a mix of the two and have its own unique interaction.
What was your average placement on the day 1 raids?
Overshields are still too weak. They are gone within 1-2 hits in high end content.
Just imagine if your woven mail disappears after taking a couple hits. That’s basically overshields.
Void already does what you just described. Part of how it blocks the damage is it receives less damage while it isn’t fully depleted. It gives resistance but it expires because it gets eaten through very fast, and sources for it are few and far between, and don’t give a ton of it to begin with.
@@the-art-of-whoopinyobehind6666 it blocks incoming damage even if it’s higher than it’s h the health of the overshilde so it’s no like woven mail
overshields can be destroyed woven mail cant, whats your placement on the last 4 day 1 raids/dungeons?
Only thing I agree on is reverting the Demolitionist nerf. It's not like people were making crazy gamebreaking builds around the 10% grenade energy part
So you think strand titan doesn't need a nerf?
@@shirosatsuma4946 It doesn't. Other classes should be brought up to par with it, rather than nerfing everything to the ground and making the game stale.
@@mena10ss Yeah no thanks. if you think 1 phasing a raid/dungeon boss that easily is fine we don't wanna hear anything coming from you
Screw that give us destiny 1 ability cooldown timers, I miss 25 second grenades
@@mena10ss Definitely for a lot of stasis classes alone. We got two cool mods this season that make it...... Okay...
Reducing Resistances makes sense ONLY IF they are keeping a close eye on sources of oneshots from then on and adjust those right after. Doing it the other way around would be like flying blind
Can we please not nerf everything into the ground before possibly the best subclass build crafting ever?????
yeah for real. People are getting hung up on the primary buffs and missing the fact that the rest of it is a sea of nerfs.
@@metaempiricistbut I do understand where the nerfs are coming from. If well is still busted in pve then it’s gonna be kinda sad for the raid as people will not be able to try prismatic
@@arjunbaweja7755 If they nerf everything else including resil then well will be even more must have.
@@metaempiricist buff legendary dmg, buff ability energy, reword super charge, nerf sources of DR (the most busted stat), nerf incoming dmg in future content, buff suspend, buff shatter, nerf loadout swapping indirectly, nerf cenotaph (busted). Youre woefully ignorant
I cannot agree to Resilience nerf at all especially since there are still solo players.
If anything resilience should still remain high when he is proposing nerfs to other survivability skills.
Yeah, nerfing both resilience and other damage resistance sources at the same time sounds like… a bad idea. A very bad idea. I agree with the general premise that damage feels inconsistent, but you have to be careful messing around with DR values.
It wouldn't be so bad, if they didn't implement the system that cuts/caps our power below what it actually is.
That causes enemies to hit harder and take more damage by default and when you've grinded up to what the activity's power level is or above it to still experience that, that's not a fun or logical experience.
@@yourewrong9028 bungie wasnt being careful when they buffed resil hows it any different when they are nerfing it?
@@Blanktester685 because at this point the entire game is built around resilience as-is now. Now, sure, they could go and tune every single source of damage again, but that might have some unintended consequences.
It could definitely be done, but again, they’d need to be careful about it imo.
Just a reminder that there was once a time where resil gave 0 DR and the game was still fine. 15% for every activity everywhere that u can still stack with other DR is fine
Salt: elite player with dedicated teams for every activity.
Sounds like a bored executive making changes that affect the entire workforce.
Destiny is one of the easiest games on the market, all he’s doing is adding back some challenge. Until season of the haunted Resil wasn’t even given any dr and the game was still fine
@@FeelGoodDivineYou and your streamer idols, ruined this game for a vast majority of players. Deal with it. Few people are ever going to agree with you. Streamers ruined D2 and streamers ruined gaming as a whole. Locusts, all of them.
@@Asgaardiangatekeeper bro do u have a learning disability?
I was completely behind salt in the first part but when he starts on the damage resists he lost his marbles, especially since theres no sustain aspects or supers in prismatic
If Bungie would stop making encounters that require Well of Radiance then people wouldn't need to use that on their Warlocks.
They need to make starfire viable again there’s no way it should’ve gone from most used exotic to not being used at all that’s unacceptable
It’s still a top option compared to other exotics…
@@pirate135246 no it’s really not I’ve seen not even a single warlock use it since its nerf
@@pirate135246 most people started using Apothecon veil in plus of star fire
@@ka_killers2088 thats because pheonix and sunbracers are overtuned. Starfire is still better than most of the exotics in the game
@@pirate135246 and that’s exactly my point you have hunters and titans with mass dps exotics but the one exotic that actually gave warlocks a reasonable damage output gets nerfed into the group and it’s not useable anymore
Yeah salt should just keep his opinions to himself
You have better suggestions? Right, you don’t. Hush up kid
@@MegaMLGgameBlowing Salt in a UA-cam comment section isn't going to get you on worlds first bro
@@hyperknuckles2258 such an edgy comment
D riding salt is wild 💀
“Destiny Community stop being little bitches”
Best quote of the year
When YT captions says, "salt gripples"
get rid of the well lock and bring back the self-res
Ohh my god. Is Saltgreppo really yapping again?!
Unfortunately
Good thing most of the people that catered to him and Datto are gone at bungie. They aren't listening to ass's like him.
Move resiliences DR to each of the classes primary stat. Opens up buildcrafting when we dont need to crutch hp for DR.
yeah lets make everyone feel even weaker that will make us money
Warlock main here: just remove well. I'm tired of people relying on it and getting upset when they can't keep themselves alive
stupid take, theres always been supers that keep you alive, people would still complain about bubble and well is the only thing keeping warlocks relevant in pve. without it people would discriminate on them, hunters and titans only lobbies
Problem is content is often balanced around it so it would require more work to remove it from the meta. Sadly.
Too many encounters and scenarios in this game are based around well of radiance. Its probably too late 😭
If I could go back in time to change anything in Destiny I'd go back to before Forsaken launch and delete Well of Radiance it's done irreparable damage to the encounter design since it's introduction 🤣
@@jaypey8253 If you think Well is the only thing keeping Warlock relative in PvE, you don't understand how Warlock's work, at all. There's plenty of relevant builds. If you can't figure them out, that's on you.
Please replace full auto perk on weapons
Yea bro that’s your vault full of old guns with the perk. Thats on you dawg. Time to delete them bro. No new weapons have that perk dawg you can’t lie to me I know you are hoading vault weapons
As a warlock main I'm quite happy it gives a reason to use other supers besides well in gm
From my experience titan mains are the ones who build swap the most because they have a ton of ways to stay alive even when in inventory giving them the practice they need to do it fast. Also I believe that brining legend and exotic damage to red bars to be same is important because exotic primary is almost a must have on high level content, especially sunshot, due to it being able to keep up with red bars in a practical manner allowing more damage special. This caused fade away of special mob clear weapons. Not that they are useless but competing with a primary that is only slightly worse AND returns a TON of super is hard
I have some suggestions for final shape myself. They are listed below.
-Remove saltgreppo from d2
That is all.
Buff Saltagreppo by 3000000% and add an additional 46196^37268 of them, with the percentage buff.
Excluding outbreak from the major buff is wild it needs help
Another reason he fucking sucks, respect SIVA
no it doesnt, a six stack on any boss is some of the best primary dps in the game
@@DustiestBoar734 I need a six stack to reach that level in the first place, think about what you said bruh, six guardians… For what one Hunter with Malf and Lucky Pants could do, think man, think.
@@Handlesaretrash but what if u only have one hunter what does everyone else use without lucky pants, especially with it being craftable soon with rewind rounds, it’s nice and reliable
The changes to legendary primaries is complicated… on one side you want that buff so they can feel good again. On the other hand if you give that damage buff you lose the reason to run exotic primaries.
To counter balance you could make that exotics have Attrition Orbs intrinsic, or make that the buff provided by Surges is higher on primaries. Not enough to the point they can become overpower, but enough so you have a reason to run them if you choose. Like more 2% per copy
You should be running exotics for the perk, not the damage. That's not to say it should have some extra damage, but 40%? That's way too much over legendary
Stasis needs a ton of help; including more Keywords. Frost Armor is going to help, but not enough. I think slow needs to be differentiated from Freeze by having a synergistic de-buff. New Keyword: Brittle. Targets slowed, at any level gain brittle each 25 slow. Each stack of brittle increases incoming damage by 7%, but 4x stacks (Frozen) only increases incoming damage by a flat 25%. Each stack of slow shifts base target accuracy from standard to airborne. (Aka the more frosty you are, the less accurate you get.) Even in PVE, enemies have terrible airborne accuracy usually. New keyword (All Classes): Diffusion. Melee kills absorb Brittle stacks from target at 100% efficiency and release a duskfield grenade from the user for 4 seconds. Each stack of brittle consumed restores 20% health. Precision hits, or shatter kills absorb Brittle stacks from target at 75% efficiency. New Keyword (all Classes): Brittle rounds: Applies Slow to targets. Applying 130 stacks of slow to the target causes them to automatically shatter. Does not apply to Solar weapons. Warlocks need an excuse to use something other than well of radiance, and I think Stasis gives them a good opportunity to do it. New Warlock Super: Praxic Blizzard. The warlock summons the staff of winter and anchors it in the ground. All Allies within the area are granted: Frost Armor, Restoration x1, Diffusion 2x, and Brittle Rounds 2x. The warlock is frozen in place, and immune to damage for the duration of the super; lasts for 35 seconds with 45% damage reduction. Sure, you'd lose out on your warlock helping with DPS, but your team is getting effectively a 30% damage boost per player. I always thought allowing Hunters and Titans to teleport/blink to friendly stasis crystals and heal would be an interesting idea; and a good basis for an Aspect/fragment, call it Entropy's Reflection or something. I think if Brittle, and Diffusion got added to the game, you'd help Behemoths get up close and personal, and give other players a reason to leave stasis Crystals around to "Brittleify" enemies. (Note, this is all back of the napkin math)
a lot of interesting concepts, i hope this gets attention tbh. a few critiques tho. i wouldnt have a solar verb (restoration) in a stasis super. also, why is this only a 30% dps buff when banner shield gives 40%? another point is to make ballidorse synergize with this somehow, maybe an additional buff to stasis weapons? (grants brittle rounds?) personally id be on board for this implementation, just with the tweaks i mentioned earlier.
I said the same thing. It doesn't have enough Identity compared to other subclasses: Arc - Go fast, energy gains, jolt, blind, etc. Stasis has slow, freeze, help lowest ability. Bungie mentioned at some point Stasis' identity was supposed to be for a defensive playstyle so they should lean further into that. Also maybe more buffs for being on the ground or sliding.
I’d say just give them frost bite as a verb. All slowed/frozen enemies take frostbite damage over time until they shatter. While inflicted with frostbite, all stasis weapons automatically do an extra 10 percent damage or something.
This, alongside frozen armor, the seasonal mods being added as blanket buffs to the overall stasis kit, a 25-30 percent damage buff to the hunter and warlock stasis super, maybe a few reworks to a few of the fragments/aspects and making stasis shards instrinsic instead of needing an entire aspect, would make stasis perfect.
As a Titan main. HoiL sits in my inventory for the good times we had. I can't bring myself to vault it. Let alone delete it.
My take on a primary buff is that the legendaries get the 40% to Red bars but exotics should get a 20-30% buff to orange bars. Exotic primaries should have a little more going for them to warrant using them
Stasis really does need some love, i hope they rework the harvest aspects since they are basically the strength and utility equivalent of a fragment that spawns an ele pickup on the other 3.0 subclasses, yet it eats an aspect slot.
I've only seen 2 people rock cenotaph ever since that exotic dropped also salt is very proficient at yappin
You must live under a rock
@@mflow- how so?
@@jackkunasaki5044cenotaph is the most broken exotic in the game especially in endgame content every boss is literally free heavy bricks not a scout brick a regular brick, easy team coordination can breeze thru this content
@@PowerrewoPfr best onslaught is a ceno warlock and 3 xenos making it trivial asf and not to mention the ceno stacking is super broken.
@@PowerrewoP I've done some endgame content and yes, I've honestly only seen 2 people use it (I'm not joking)
"Saltagreppo's..." instant barf
Bungie has to keep in mind the casual players that don't min/max or use meta loadouts from a youtube channel. I do like his take on the ammo economy, where you don't lose ammo if you change weapons.
This is my suggestion about the abilities and durations: half current values of stats bonuses given by subclass nodes. Extend all current durations BASE value by 2 seconds.
Woven mail DR scale with the Intellect Stat. T10 being 75%, it would feel extremely odd to learn, but this could also address the Super recharge suggestions Salt mentions.
Well, Well, Well... reduce the size of Well by 1 meter or reduce the amount of health regen based on the INDIVIDUAL player Recovery- T8 being cap for fastest while being inside. T9 & 10 would only benefit class regen multiplier as it works now.
Yes the game struggles with doing its own math sometimes, but those hunters with 1 to 4 recov living longer than a t10 recov resil warlock or titan shouldn't be a thing.
Class specific stats need reworking:
How exactly... -1 tier base start point for the specific class; means more requirements for maximum reward😅.< t10 would technically require 110 stats>
Weapon damage- Legendaries 15% flat.
He is just engagement farming at this point
Just say you’re not smart enough to understand and move on
That's normal human behavior, we're social creatures. Might be a foreign concept to gremlins like u
@jackruth4406 here you are again with 6 inches of salt coming our your mouth and dripping down your chin. Clean up little boy.
@@jackruth4406Bro get out of everyone’s comment thread. Pull up Salts pants while you’re at it…….. you’re literally everywhere on here. It’s sad
I was wondering if he is strapped for money or something. Seems lime he is mostly quiet and then all the sudden he throws out his shitty views on the game just for engagement.
The issue I have with whatever we’ll nerf, warlock damage supers all need a buff to counteract it because as it stands there’s no reason to use warlock for damage
I love that salt stands on business… no matter wa ppl say he speaks his mind
I hockey love when salt talks on here . I like the rage he causes the baby community
Salt's opinions on this game have been ass for so long. Just ignore his bs.
Ahhh poor baby mad Div got nerf
@@MegaMLGgamebro suck salt phallus so much in every comments
I'm sure your opinions are equally trash crasus
@@MegaMLGgame No, his excuses for the nerfs are terrible. He always justifies he's nerfs with " so the devs can go back and balance enemy health or damage," but the devs have shown time and time again that they don't do that and just nerf and move on. He needs to stop making suggestions with that outcome in mind because it will never happen.
Warlock alert.
Some of them I agree with but the exotic weapon balancing on his first bullet point I think is off.
No one really used exotic primaries before the 40% buff because legendaries could outdamage them with their damage perks and minor spec mods. Sometimes people pick exotic primaries now because they have that 40% damage buff. If you have legendaries being close to exotics in terms of damage, no one is going to use exotic primaries again because legendaries will just do more damage with their damage perks on top of that. And even with just a minor spec mod, would be doing 8% more damage than an exotic.
EXAMPLE: If Hawkmoon and Midnight Coup did the same damage, would you ever use Hawkmoon? Let's be real, no. Why?
MC would have access to minor spec (8%+ dmg), Explosive Payload (15%) and Frenzy (15%), put that together and MC would be doing 40%+ more damage than Hawkmoon. Primaries are meant for ad clear so everyone would pick Midnight Coup over Hawkmoon and then equip an exotic special or heavy. You couldn't buff Hawkmoon enough for people to switch off of Midnight Coup.
EXAMPLE 2: Sunshot vs. Luna's Howl.
-Luna's would have heal clip, and incandescent or damage perks and a minor spec mod. It would be doing more damage and have more utility than Sunshot, no one would run Sunshot anymore.
This same thing happened prior to WQ and the exotic primary buffs. No one picked exotics because even though the exotic traits were cool, they didn't match the great damage output of dmg perks on legendary weapons plus being able to run an exotic special or heavy at the same time.
In my opinion:
- I think primaries all around in general should be getting a substantial buff including exotics.
- Spec mods need to go
- Keep intrisic damage on exotics since they don't have access to crazy damage perks, and it makes you decide between going with an exotic primary or heavy.
You want useless primaries
I think we just need to make the exotic traits on some of them better - although a lot of exotic primaries are good, they don’t really compare to guns like sunshot in terms of CC and that kinda stuff. I just want to be able to bring an off-meta exotic into endgame content without feeling like I’m throwing 🥲
@@jackruth4406I never said that. I think all primaries including exotics should get overall buffs.
Ex: If legendaries matched exotics then why would I ever use Hawkmoon over midnight coup (w/minor spec, EP and Frenzy). With those perks midnight coup would be doing 40% more damage than Hawkmoon.
I specifically remember how the game was before they buffed exotic primaries in witch queen. No one used exotic primaries because legendaries have access to minor spec and have access to damage perks whereas exotic weapons don't have access to any of those
Have you used an smg in the higher waves of onslaught? They’re were considered the best primaries in the game before the hc buff and they feel like you’re just tickling the enemies, ESPECIALLY majors, as of right now, bar a few legendary primaries, they’re pointless
@@ThePackman627 if you would use a legendary over exotics then the exotics are poorly designed, bungie gave them the dmg buff to mask how useless they are and i suppose reworking exotics costs bungie more than just applying a blanket buff to all exotics
Of all the things mentioned here, I want the Stasis buffs. I REALLY hope the current stasis artifact mods become standard function for the abilities. That would be SICK.
Honestly I think all of these proposals are pretty good. Obviously the most contentious one is DR, but they are in the context of the damage from enemies changing as well. I do worry that the resilience stat change might make it a “useless” stat sort of like mobility for Titans and Warlocks, but I like the idea of damage changes so we’re not constantly 1-2 shots away from death by shanks
I like his ideas. Though I don't think buffing legendary primaries fixes the problem. We use exotic primaries because exotic heavy weapons get out classed by legendary ones. Do I use sleeper or cataclysmic? Well I can use sunshot with cataclysmic and do just as much damage. That's just one example but I think a pretty common decision players make.
So basically Salt is complaining as usual
Yeah but low key he was spitting. Ppl can’t even complain that he was calling for nerfs, as most of these were buffs. Even the resistance nerfs he wanted were linked with general resistance buffs. He actually gave like solid sandbox ideas.
@@Olgod2004 Ll nerfs to supers, nerfs to resil, nerfs to everything except primaries. Sure, so many buffs. Don't be fooled, he said to nerf resilience and didn't say anything about nerfing enemy damage. This was 90% nerfs.
@@Olgod2004 honestly i would love to see this video but cross says its someone that is well liked in the community. comments would be completely different
Pov, someone who disagrees with your opinion
@@Olgod2004 No.
and.
no again
Tell me what would happen if they nerf damage resistance, but also reduce the damage we take ?
Yup.
Nothing changes.
We stay at the same place as before, where a scorn sniper one shots you from across the map, and it incentivizes you to get those little resilience points, since they will make more difference.
I’m personally all in favor of them nerfing DR values if we nerf the one-shot-ability a lot of enemies currently have. As a hunter main, it sucks having to run t10 resil and then being forced to choose between Recovery or Mobility.
The funny part is the grapple part is that half cooldown depleted after gapple a grappling point, isnt this makes strand hunter aspect useless?
Saltgreppo biting the pillow 4k
Salt needs to touch grass 😂
Honestly Salt is on the money here. Although with the primary damage buff, maybe instead of parity, exotic primaries have a 10% advantage? Just give them a little edge for the sacrifice of the slot.
I don't care what throne he is sitting on never let a king tell his people how to live. He already live a better life than them.
Never let this man cook again