Nuno Bettencourt's Secret Sauce - The RAT Pedal
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2023
- Nuno Bettencourt, the guitar player for Extreme has a secret sauce pedal for his tone and playing - the Rat pedal. I demo it in this video with the Marshall JVMM 410H.
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Rat into volume boost from an eq into cleanish Marshall is a great tone. Trey Azagthoth inspired.
I used to do this with my old JCM 900 SLX thanks to Trey! I occasionally wish I still had that rig.
@@machine-madedog5059 ive been really enjoying my recreation of his rig on quad cortex. very enjoyable and sounds great.
@@machine-madedog5059 what kind of eq/boost did you use? i left mine flat minus the volume. not sure how he runs his. would love to know if it's flat or if not what changes he makes.
@@they_arent_human Well as far as the amp's EQ I had it set to "666" (haha) because honestly the EQ didn't really do much, especially if the preamp volume was past a certain point, like 3-4. That's just how some Marshalls used to be.
Now I did have a hissy old MXR 10-band in the guitar input that I just tweaked to taste until I got close. Trey had a 30-band Rane EQ and I have no idea how it was set, but in a model/IR that'd be crucial.
@@machine-madedog5059 im talking about the settings on his rane eq. I have his amp settings. Just can't find any info on the graphic eq settings so I just used it as a volume boost after the rat and before amp.
Rat + MXR 10 ch. EQ + power amp + 2 or 412 cab = metal madness. Great demo/info, as always.
I loved using Rats with Marshalls, Peaveys, Fenders, etc. Great pedal that behaves very differently depending on the amp. It has a more chewy, organic tone than more transparent pedals. Sometimes I want a more transparent pedal, sometimes I want a lot of grit to push a cleaner amp into the dirt zone. The Rat does this very well. I also like the thickness compared to my old favorite, the MXR Distortion Plus. The Rat is a very versatile pedal.
Criminally underrated pedal for high gain. I actually got a really old one from my dad when I was 11 that he had laying around in his electronics stash before I even had an electric guitar or amplifier. Was how a got my start...
I built one RAT (LM308) 15 years ago and can't Imagine my board without it. Best pedal ever.
Nuno does it like that because when he was recording albums, the Rat pedal was one of the few pedals available
I watched that same interview, and it was spectacular. He's a musician's musician along with being the quintessential music lover spanning genres. The dude is excellent and appreciative of those musician's who influenced him.
I have a 1976 Marshall JMP Mk2 100w Lead amp, and when I bought it off of a guy back in 1987, he pitched in his RAT pedal and said he used it as his distortion. Well I thought it sounded like garbage, so I got a BOSS HM pedal. At that time it was okay, but I eventually had an FX loop put in the amp and used an ADA MP-1 with rack effects. But when I saw this interview, it caused me to try out his technique, and I couldn't believe how that simple setting made the amp sing. Pretty cool stuff, but years ago, I bought the cheap Behringer V-AMP Pro and I got some cool tones out of that. But for kicks, I tried the RAT through my rhythm tone on the V-Amp after I dialed back the gain, and that worked and sounded pretty good, too. Who would've thought.
I dig your channel bud, you were the "go to" guy for me when I first got my Kemper, and you showed a bunch of cool tricks on how to manipulate it. I appreciate all the things you do for your guitarist comrades.
Thank you so much for the kind words. I really appreciate it.
I don’t have a Rat (always loved them) but I was already getting a similar tone with my setup. My tone was influenced by Ace Frehley’s KISS ALIVE II tone and Eddie’s Balance tone. I’ve found that I can pretty much play every style of music with my setup.
Happy tone chasing to everyone! Keep crushing it! 🤘🤘
Marshall and that rat pedal sounds really good i like it. Great playing man!
I like the JVM on od2 red with an sd1 only boosted between 9 - 12 o'clock. The JVM certainly doesn't need a boost but it adds a bit of magic
Oh man. Love the combination.
Thanks for the video! Love Nuno’s tone. His Bill Lawrence pickups also help get that percussive tone as well. 🔥🔥🤘🤘
My pleasure! Thanks for commenting
Jarrod of Tone Wars. I absolutely love your way of demoing gear!! This was the first video in my recommended and I was compelled to watch a lot more that blew me away. Honestly you go through your tests like youre reading my mind! Ive never experienced another channel like yours and ive been into guitar videos for 15 years. Too many focus on their shred than focusing on the actual tone. My local store growing up always employed a shredder that made any gear sound good which is ckever marketing. But you cover all that anyone wants to hear for a tone test. I know you shred awesome Jarrod but you focus on what your channel is about and i applaud you 100% . My idea is im trying to create a heavy metal Dumble sound. Im part way there. I always heard it from Tony Iommi and if you can get a guitar with one if his pickups that would be super awesome to hear your thoughts and comparisons. My own channel which i lost acess to is universal power. Look up synaptic manhunt, its the only vid with this name. All the best rock gangster!
I have the original 1986 version of that RAT, still my favorite overdrive/distortion pedal to this day! The new ones don't sound near as good as the original, though close. Run volume at 3:00, Distortion at 9:00, filter at about 1:00. edit just noticed those are Nuno's settings tooo .... :)
Not even remotely true!
I have the original Rat, big square box from the first year they were released and I also have one from 2011.
They both sound exactly the same!
The saying that the original rat sounds better is just a myth! It’s purely false! They sound just about identical!!! The small amount of difference, if noticeable at all, is not a big enough difference to make one better over the other.
@@ZYGTropicals We all have our opinions. Good thing for both opinions to be heard huh?
I'm using a rat clone with my evh 5150 III 100w og. It gives it a nice chug on the blue channel at 6.5 on the gain with these settings.
David gilmour also used one esp during during 90s. The pedal is amazing :)
I love that.. "the JCM800 isn't known for being a 'gainy amp'" it *used* to be! 😂 Back before "wall of noise" became guitar tone. 😂😂
ok boomer
@@Lavabug
If you're gonna insult me on my criticism of today's shitty guitar tone, at least use the right generation name... No boomer here 😂😂😂
@@Lavabugthere’s not really a way around it, the JCM800 is a fucking gainy amp dude. It doesn’t get a whole ton gainy-er without becoming slop, at least without very very strategic eq and gain stacking.
@@okayestguitar66dude, the guitars tones today are better than they have ever been!!! You’re limiting yourself by being stuck in the past!!!
You really should broaden your horizons and check out the newer stuff! You’ll be blown away at how good things have become!!
@@ZYGTropicals
I beg to differ... Well, maybe, at 58, many years of loud stuff, I can't hear for shit. That said, I stand by my "wall of noise" description. Just cause you start with a bowl of ice cream, it don't make it better if you add a 5 gallon bucket of ice cream to it. Just like the screamo singing isn't better. Guys like me, f*uk, I couldn't pick out a 5 letter word they sing, even if you spotted me 4 of the letters! I like what I like, you like what you like. I'll pass on the screamo and "wall of noise" guitars, thanks.
Well said about the pedal thing 🤛
Yup, that's right 👍
Rats maxed out into a slightly dirty clean is a Doom staple.
Hey Jarrod, Interesting Video, Thanks for doing this. I know there are a few different versions/ revisions Rat Pedals and some of the Originals are very expensive and sought after. I tried one many years ago. I just couldn't gel with it, very finicky pedal I'm sure it was just me and how I was using it but a TS style boost/overdrive pedal worked better for me and still does for my set up. Just my .02
Thanks for commenting. I'm with you , a good overdrive pedal works better for me too. It was fun trying this pedal out though. I totally get why he uses it.
Im not a metal player my main amp is a vox and the rat prdal is magic with a vox on a Les Paul neck pickup. The best lead tone I can get.
The Rat is King..
I think Nuno said he uses Marshall DSL's...
Just like Trey Azagtoth, he use a RAT also as a boost on his JCM900 for that sound in Morbid Angel, maybe you can make a vid for that, its very hard to find.on you tube for someone that explain his setup. Please 🤘
This almost kind of has the HM-2 buzzsaw sound to it
The metal version of “Rise” here. 😊
Less gain and a hair less palm muting, a little more bounce to the rhythm and you’ve got the record version.
Great video! Have you bonded a little more with the JVM? I drastically redialed mine to try and keep a guitar that sounded terrible to me through everything and may have accidentally found “my perfect Zen”, working backwards. Boosting an amplifier definitely brings out more tonal nuances, the bonus with the JVM (and others) is that you can back off the gain and not need to use a gate as much.
Thanks for commenting. I'm glad you've got it figured out with your amplifier.
I'm still planning on selling mine because there's some other amplifiers I would rather have. It definitely performed well in this episode though.
@@TONEWARSgearshow I know the feeling, was all gung-ho over the new Bogner Uber Ultra and bought a KHE amp switcher to try to find the weakest link to pare things down to ultimately make room. I redialed the JVM and the Mesa Boogie TC-100 and am now as content with them as the Trinity and BE-100 deluxe, though the latter just seemed to dial itself this time around. At least it is easier now to try amps, cabinets and pedals,,,this rabbit hole is really deep!
@@davej8045 The KHE amp switcher is such a great piece of gear to have. I freaking love that thing
You should check out the zuta triax pedal. I just got one. It’s epic
This is going to sound Crazy, but Hendrix had almost the same affect by boosting his Marshall's with a fuzz face, transistors just does something to front ends of tube amps !!!
According to Nuno he doesn’t use the rat for gain. The gain is on zero filter straight up and level 12 or 1 o clock . It’s for tone and texture. Not for gain . The Marshall gain is doing its thing with the rat doing a tone shaper
Which is exactly the point of this video.
👍👍 Chug it
Chug it
Chug it
Thought about selling my jvm recently. Don’t think that will happen now. Wow
jvm has an inherently “boosted” sound to it by default. you don’t need to boost it, it becomes way too cocked wah sounding. boost pedals are for looser amps like recto/jcm800 etc
question is that a 7 string and what gauage strings do u use
Yes its a 7 string. I use 10 gauge Ernie Ball Paradigms
i am new to 7 string what set do you use for b standard and drop a i kinda bought one just to try one
@@rudycastillo6369 b standard - 10's
Drop A - 11's
@@TONEWARSgearshow thank you so much
With all those amps I can't believe you don't have a 900 or 800, or 6100, or MKii, Bogner, or any good copy of one of those. Sovtek, Red Bear, (I'd say the 5150 even), but The JVM isn't that far, just more compressed.
🤘😜🤘
It is true about how it sounds on different amps. My Boogie .50 cal+ it sounds like crap. My SLO 100 or Boogie Stilletto Deuce II it kicks ass. Makes a Dean Markley CD60 scream.
I think the Mud Killer sounded better than the RAT.
I'm thinking you can get these same tones with your EVH el34 amp on the blue channel.
I always thought the "Nuno sound" was an ADA-MP1 pre-amp into a Marshall JCM 800.....If I am wrong, I am wrong,....but I do remember him being a big ADA--MP1 fan...Cheers!...Rat's (and some clones) are awesome pedals as well.
You are exactly correct.
@@SimsCustomGuitarsWow!!...cool, thanks....i so rarely ever hear that...haha...nice to know I am correct at least once in a while...lol.... I am a BIG Nuno fan. Dude's style was like a breath of fresh air. Not many guys can go tour with Yngwie, Vai, Satch Wylde for a Shred fest....Sing love songs super hits like "More than Words" and "Whole Hearted" ...and then shake his booty at the Superbowl with Rihanna....I mean, how many guitar heroes are THAT versatile? Dude has some skill's. Peace. Cheers!
i think he has ditched most of the pedals for just basic few pedals like RAT. I love RAT mostly because david gilmour and jeff beck uses it :D
These ultra high-gain, rivet-heads are so used to having utra-high gain amps, dime'd, WITH overdrives, WITH high-output pickups, that when they say "low-gain", it's still set to 2010 thrash metal. Go listen to Extreme's first album, and Nuno was actually going for EVH's Fair Warning tone, and he nailed it. One of the best tones I've ever heard. But, I digress... That's absolutely nothing like what this guy is doing. I'm scratching my head as to why he's even doing this video....at least with this title. Short of using a Marshall amp, and this RAT pedal (which a million guys used back in the 80's), and the title itself this video has absolutely nothing to do with Nuno Bettencourt (or how a RAT pedal was used to get a killer tone, for that matter). SMH
I wish you had a rat pedal when you had that TS 100 Marshall.
Me too!
Rats are amazing.
Metal Zone is the best boost.
Nuno is using a JCM 2000 with the rat what I saw
DSL 100 and Rat
I was stood in front of him playing live last week. That’s still way too much gain you’ve got there. Whilst the tone / eq sounded like the rat, the distortion level was closer to when you have no pedal or using the other pedal with low gain.
He’s not trying to replicate his tone but yes I agree it needs a tad less gain for it.
alright I’m going to change my UA-cam name to “captain stupid” I did my research and the tonex is not for me thanks for doing your videos the one that you praised the pedal tonex and you explained the pedal after 5 time’s watching the video it clicked I’m not looking for amp tones and amp captures I just like it cranked up and blowing the roses out of bloom I almost got me a tonex but you made me listen thank you for being you you got some funny impressions
Oh ya I’m saving my money for the 7 string sustainac I really like that guitar you have I got 600.$ just need another 1k$
Cool idea but this video is kind of futile. (I said “kind of” as not to be rude for all about to roast me), because the new Rat pedals use different components and as you stated it’s the wrong amp it should be a JCM800. Nuno uses the 80’s Rat pedals with the original chip sets so you would be better to get a Mooer Black Secret pedal which has the original chip as the 80’s Rat pedal and will get you a much more accurate reproduction. Keep up the cool videos though!
Thanks for commenting. Yeah I wish I had a JCM800 on hand but I just don't.
And I do realize that the eighties version of that pedal is a bit different but I just couldn't get my hands on one.
@@TONEWARSgearshow I still like the video your playing is really good too. Jesus the amount of amps in your place is probably worth a fortune.
@@jacobsamano9761 thank you. I really love my collection. I feel blessed by the netal gods every time I enter my studio.
@@TONEWARSgearshow I would too. All I can afford is a Squier Strat and a Peavey Rage 158.
The different op amps make almost no difference my guy. An LM308 isn't some magic secret sauce.
he's just a rat in a cage!
lol there is no secret sauce. the sound is in your head and you train your hands and ears to make it. you don't use a pedal for that. there is no pedal for that. besides, he doesn't even turn on the rat it's only there to make him feel complete. The buffers probably fix his dynamics in a way that predictable for him and he's used to that effect.
Too much gain!!!!!
Yup a bit too much. I wish I had the same amp Nuno uses. I did the best I could with what I had
@@TONEWARSgearshow I think you got it wrong. RAT pedal is a distortion pedal. So you need to pluck it to clean channel of your amp. Not the dirty channel. By doing so, you will get the distortion only from the pedal. Not from the amp. Try it, you will get Nuno's tone easily with this setup..
@@isatriya2 actually I got it right. Nuno uses the rat pedal as an overdrive with his dirty channel. I set it up EXACTLY how he does.
Why you keep removing my comment dude? LOL
@@isatriya2 I'm not
Couple points. Nuno’s tone/sound on the new record is dry and one dimensional. It sounds exactly like the samples you played without the pedal. The sounds you did with the pedal have much more life than anything on “Six”. As a fan, I’m disappointed in the lack of imagination put in to his sound on the record. With everything going on around us, you would think a guy could get inspired to lay down something fresh. Instead, he slaps us in the face with another JCM with a boost tone. Yawn. Great video though, man. I apologize for all the hurt feelings I’m going to cause, but I keep it real. There’s just no excuse for dull, lifeless tone like this on a record today.
Tone is meaningless and overused this day and age prob bcs soley of EVH. All amps have good tone. Just dial in any amp, they’re all so close to the same no one can tell or would care IN THE SLIGHTEST. Write good songs and practice are the O-N/L-Y things that matter. All those amps behind you are a waste of $ bcs the difference to people is less than 1%, literally less than 1. They are ALL the EXACT same technology, as is the electric guitar. Its all about the player. Which boils down to writing ability and practice hours logged. Gear is equalized. Song writing and playing not quite as much
You must be fun at parties
yep...Nuno was all bummed out when he got to play on EVHs rig and just sounded like same ol Nuno. Lol.
You should go play a metal gig with a Princeton Reverb and report back.