I always feel I'm in the presence of greatness whenever Nuno speaks. I had no idea he doesn't use pedals although i did wonder how he gets such a staggeringly good sound, you feel it in your bones. It's really all him, no 6 foot pedal board, pretty much a lead and an amp. This guy is one awesome talent.
It is great but you need pedals to explore other sounds. It works for him because all he plays is hard rock and metal sounds. Imagine trying to make a psychedelic soundscape with no delay, reverb, or modulation.
His inspiration was Brian may, whose inspiration was Rory Gallagher. All three of them understand that an amp line and guitar was all it needs. The rest is in the fingers and strumming.
@Manley156 Absolutley. The MXR Phase 90 and MXR Flanger were all over the early VH records. Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love, Eruption and Atomic Punk are good examples
@Manley156 I thought the same thing. Ed’s original tone was far from naked. In fact, with regards to distortion, Ed’s tone became cleaner in later years.
If you've ever been to a Van Halen concert you will notice that Eddy's sound has more reverb than the grand canyon, that is a large part of his sound & the MXR Phase etc Not quite what Nuno is talking about here ! rip Eddy
It's funny, when I was a kid I thought Eddie was doing everything with his fingers which made me try to emulate his sound with my fingers and pick. Turns out he was using a lot of MXR gear, but it made my guitar playing much more vocal. Ironically, I've just got a chorus pedal and it sounds great...
@@NickJardine Then you literally can’t produce certain sounds or genres. Try making a psychedelic rock song with no modulation just your guitar and amp
@@Childofbhaal completely agree. I wasn’t implying to make a record without pedals or anything. I’m saying any guitar player should hone their chops without the bells and whistles first. Add the colour to your sound after.
@@NickJardine For sure man I’ve started to really hone in on just my clean tone and sound. When I first started all I did was use pedals and make weird noises and now most of the time I just play my electric acoustically or quietly on the clean channel to work on fundamentals
History will write Nuno into it as one of the foremost musician/guitarists of all time. It goes beyond his obvious prowess on the instrument and into his feel, emotion and ability to build a climax to every song he gets his mind dug into. He is a clearcut genius.
There was a LOT going on with EVH earliest rig with pedals, EQs, load boxes and FX. In recently-released 1978-9 interview, EVH talks about Jose modding his amps that included swapping out transformers! That being said, NUNO makes perfect sense, and his tried and true methods fuckin WORK!!!! NUNO RULES!!!!!!
While I don't disagree for certain genres, it's a bit like piano vs keyboards. With effects, the guitar can become something else entirely. Say what you will about The Edge. Every studio cat emulated his delay tricks afterwards. And those riffs wouldn't exist without effects, period. But yeah, I love all the nuances, articulations, micro-bends and everything that makes a guitarist sound like one.
I agree to a point. I happen to absolutely love Eddie’s 90s tone, especially on the Balance record. I don’t think Eddie could ever hide his playing haha. But dynamics don’t seem to be as important these days. Everything is so heavily compressed, and while for people like The Edge, it works great, it doesn’t feel the same playing to me. I feel like I lose the guitar like Nuno was saying.
This is interesting... My Rig for the last 5 years as been a Charvel San Dimas, a Bugera 6262-212 and a Behringer Vintage Delay! And I'm totally fine with it! Effects can help expand your imagination and there is nothing wrong with it; it all depends on what you want... 🤘🤩
I think what happen is that ending the 80s Extreme was just coming out in a time were alternative and grunge music was popular and hard rock was ending. But I have respect for Nuno for keeping it real playing guitar solos and if they were to do something different, it was a jazzy tune or an orchestra score. True great musicianship all around! Nuno one of the BEST!
I totaly agree with him. A cranked amp is my only effect - the rest - you have to do with your fingers! And Nuno surely knows what to do with his fingers!💪🤘
Completely agree...8 think he's saying just don't drown yourself of the sound in gimmicks...I personally like a few effects, they're fun....but there's a line
great take. i'd say that effects tend to be more useful for rymthmn or creating an ambience of some sort. lead playing or solo sections inherently have a more room for expresiveness imo. the simpler the lead, the more an effect can make sense. for what nuno is doing, the drier the better. the nuances need to be present. obv like he said, throw some delay and verb on it to create space. either way, great conversation
What an interesting clip! Piano player here. I resonated with this in a different area. Whenever I play a keyboard or a keys/piano plug-in, no matter how good it is, it’s simply not the same as an actual, beautiful tuned and regulated grand piano ( or Rhodes or clav or organ…) what Nuno said about pedals, somehow, getting in the way, of your sound, is how I feel whenever I play, using a keyboard or a plug-in instead of the real thing. Any other keyboard players feel that way? Thanks Nuno for your amazing musicianship and thanks Cory for this podcast:).
Guitar player here who can play a little bit of piano. I can relate to what you saying and actually I was going to write something similiar to what you've said. So happen I got to play yamaha piano last week after so long of only play plug ins and wow.. it is world apart.
@@Lennoxvrgt you're right. 3 Sides was pretty much the SL-60 (with a Boss Turbo Overdrive) for rhythm and most of the solos. The notable exception being the solo for Stop the World, which was a Marshall MS-2 (true story). And a GK250ML for most if not all of the cleans. Punchline was pretty much the Vibroverb with everything turned up to 10. I think he went straight into the amp with no pedals. Part of the reason for the unique sound was a microphonic tube that late in the process failed. The amp never sounded the same when they replaced it. And according their engineer Bob St John, Nuno also used the SL-60 on Evilangelist.
Eric Johnson would have some thoughts as well. Not to take away anything from Nuno and what he's saying! There was a period there after I got my first "real" amp, that I was in love with just Guitar > 6' cord > amp. There was a purity and immediacy that even my mates noticed and I stuck with that for at least 4 yrs but now that im much older (and bored maybe?) I've been playing with more pedals on the front end and in the loop. As to EVH, I know Matt Bruck is a very respected tech but as someone who grew up on EVH, I really think his influence on Ed watered down the tone some.
But Nuno has a cranked Cherry picked Marshal. That s what pedal try to emulate. 99.99 percent of us can’t play that loud at home. So. Pedal get you 95 percent there with out blasting the neighbor s and most of don’t have that holy grail plexi. I have a killer amp it’s a red plate. And it doesn’t need pedal s except little delay. I understand what he mean s but if you have a normal amp under 1,000 You might not get that Eddie Van Halen marshal sound in your bedroom level
Always loved this philosophy, I wanna sound like me on any amp and any guitar. Only use a wah and a gain pedal for some live stuff. Really makes your playing cleaner as well, no pedals to muddy up your sound and cover up mistakes.
Agreed. Pornograffiti and III Sides had that big, fat ADA MP-1 pre-amp tone, but Waiting for the Punchline shifted towards that more raw and dynamic sound with the treble bite. I especially like Naked in how transparently it showcases Nuno's playing from clean-ish to crunch. And you know he's just rocking the volume knob there and not stepping on any pedals!
I think it is just a limitation. They said that when people started playing electric guitars, when Bob Dylan went out with the Band, they said he lost that direct connection of himself as an artist. But even an acoustic guitar, it is not direct. Even someone just singing Acapella into a mic, is not direct or more emotional. It is just limitations that people create in their mind, and then separate from and think they are real in themselves. It is, of course, a really subjective thing of what a "good, pure sound" is. I make sounds based on the song I am doing, not on making morality rules on what is a good, pure, direct sound.
All deference to Nuno -- he's great. I'm just thinking though that he uses lots of distortion, and I'd swear he uses reverb on some of his solos. He probably uses what's built into his amp, but distortion and reverb are effects.
I like pedals. They can provide you with a color and inspiration you can’t get from guitar and amp alone. But I can also get what he’s saying about an effect overtaking your town. Modulation effects can be a love it or hate it thing. And there are some great pedals out there that can give you wide ranges when it comes to those effects, from subtle to extreme. I love a great clear chorus sound with as little warble as I can get. Flangers and phasers feel a bit too strong for me but have their uses. There are some amazing overdrives and distortions out there as well. They will change your tone but in my case with my amps make it far better than anything I can get with amp alone
Agreed. Swearing off pedals/effects entirely just feels like putting a chokehold on what you can create. To each their own, but I'm not getting rid of my effects lol.
No way totally disagree . Pedals weaken your signal from your voice or guitar . I’d relate it to wearing a mask . You can see tre mask and it has a certain look but takes away the expression of your mouth and half your face . All the best players ever did sound for all played direct into their Amps .
@@humanactivated1017 By your own logic, to listen to different music is to distort your purity. Being faithful to that statement, you're encapsulating yourself in a very tight space. In fact, your own current (let's say) 80s tone is derivative of using pedals. Again.. No right or wrong here.
@@endezeichengrimm Buy an old Boss GT 3 processor for the price of one pedal... And go have fun. Having GAS has nothing to do with it. Also, and again, what you call a distraction, i call creativity. I don't struggle for better shreds, i want to have fun creating, and with a full range of motion, where with black metal, goth, funk, R&B, Retrowave or whatever you wanna call it. 😉
I use a handful of pedals - (a fuzz, a wah, a delay) but even that feels pretty minimal these days. Sometimes I see a young band and the guitar player is dancing on a dozen different pedals and the bassist is dancing on a half dozen but every tune sounds different like a different band, its really hard to pin down a "sound". -- Vs a Brian May, or a Angus Young, Billy Gibbins or whoever; their tone is unmistakable - its their hands on their instrument almost straight into their amps. Roll up a bit for solos roll down for rhythm; maybe switch pickups but that's kind of it. Old School.
I get the idea, but Eddie was a bad example - even Van Halen I was drenched in reverb, echoplex and phase90. He talks a lot about chorus so I'm inclined to think he is referring to the fact that everybody used chorus to death back in the 80s and also the micropitch delay to copy the "steve lukather bradshaw rig tone". HM
I think he means that the use of harmonizer, splitting, creating a type of chorusing effect in 90s VH took away from the immediacy of his early sound. The phasing used in the first record is very sparse. And also, it's going into the amp. Not a post processing of the preamplified signal before hitting the power amps like he did later. I see his point. It's not just pedals what takes away this immediacy, but it's how and where you use them.
The key thing in his comments is ‘when you use them wrong.’ He is not against effects full stop. The difference between chorus and delay is really just some milliseconds…modulated delay is really just long form chorus. I think there is arguably more immediacy straight in, but there is still plenty going on EQ wise and as regards transients when it comes to pickups, preamps, amp tone stacks, phase inverter, power section, speaker cabs. ‘I don’t use any EQ.’ Yeah, but you double mic…that’s EQ. (And FWIW I love double miking and that particular combo.)
I could not agree more, and for all the reasons Nuno lists. And if you play with just your fingers, you'll make the creativity, tonal changes, rhythm and picking techniques right there on the fretboard. Delay is the exception as it is a very specific effect. And I agree - not an absolute. Just works for me.
I recorded a song for a music library and they said wow the production is really great in this song, good job. Which I replied, I didn't do anything, no reverb or effects of any kind, funny how that works sometimes.
Unfortunately, synths have already taken so much of the craft and soul from music and it doesn't seem that it'll stop. I expect the same from AI, especially if pop music is all about singers with musicians being relegated to backing up the singer. 😢
While it might not be my choice of words I get what he is saying. One of the strange things about guitarists, specially electric ones is that they don’t work on tone production. Trumpet players play long tones and work on it, violinists work on their sound and so do woodwind players. Electric guitarists nowadays want to approach it by buying the new pedal or magic gizmo that will make it better, and there is the next thing and the next. Sound starts with the guitarist. Where you pluck the string, the angle, the preparation or no preparation of the attack, the direction, angle. Is it played with a pick? What kind of pick? Is it fingerstyle? With nails or without? Is the fretting hand relaxed or over pressing? Are you muting the notes unrelated to the chord changes? My point is that there is much to do from the side of technique alone to produce a sound. Of course if we are talking electric guitar then which guitar into which amp? How is it set? I am not personally against effects but to me they are just that. Unless one is going for a synth or heavily modulated sound the rest of the processing I view the rest of signal processing as enhancement.
100% agree with him.and heres the hard part Without pedals,you dont get ,Pinkfloyd,zeppelin, and The police.but hes rught,imho. Your hands should dictate whats coming out of your amp. Dire straits and Metallica proved that. But then we wouldnt have U2.
I've only seen a few clips of Nuno playing live but he's obviously a very knowledgeable and skilled player. Guitarists like him have philosophical ideas worth hearing. 1:55 His attitude on delay
He spent 2 minutes knocking pedals, processing, and modulation effects, but then clearly contradicted his entire rant by stating that he uses delay, and then stated that modulation can be beautiful sounding. Take it with a grain of salt guys. Chase whatever tone appeals to your ears. Nuno is great but this is just a humble brag about him not relying on drenched guitar tones to sound objectively good.
Gary Moore was so great at this. He really played with his hands an heart. No fuss, no gadgets. Just a high quality guitar, a decent sounding amp and his unparalleled craftsmanship. It's archaic, organic, and goes right under the audience's skin. Same with Angus Young.
Way too ideological way of thinking. There's this idea of purity, simplicity. But purity and simplicity doesn't buy you anything. What counts is to create music that is a projection of your personality and has an emotional impact on the listener. That's all. By any mean mecessary. What you use to achieve your musical goals is completely free and at your disposal. Any restriction defined by others is just pure crap. Ignore it. If the sound in your head asks for a phase, then use a phaser. If not, don't use it. Your talent is to get your ideas across. Everything else (technical abilities, versatility, guitars, amps, stompboxes) are just tools to achieve that.
I have a few pedals on my board but 9 times out of 10 I have no pedals on. it's basic guitar to tuner to noise gate to amp. Some guitar players get so wrapped up in pedals and gear. At some point you have to play. I agree with Nuno about Eddie's sound but, I love the sound of carnal knowledge and balance. Nuno has always been in my top 5 guitar players.
Nuno's was right about that two person he'd mentioned, Page and May. That two persons guitar tone is incomparable. But always don't get it wrong we do need a help of the guitar pedal/effects sometimes
This is silly. He literally says in several magazines, and in the big Beato interview, he's got a Rat in front of the Marshall. Which you kind of need, because Marshalls sound terrible for this style of music.
I read some years ago about his gear on Guitar Mag and he mentioned an effects pedal that he was using for a lot of years so i´m not sure about the veracity of what he´s declaring here. The only album i hear more "raw" or "plug & play" is definitely "Waiting For The Punchline".
@@ericwhite2830 No, I get that, but the Echoplex and EQs he used really helped shape what Ed's actual tone was, It wouldn't have sounded like that without that board in front of the amp. His more recent tone with the EVH amps (not the Peavey ones) I thought was way too fizzy. The Van Hagar tone was wide but dark. I thought his best tone was on Fair Warning.
I use one RAT I got in early 80's and that's it. I like to go from distorted to clean without going to the amp. Nothing against pedal boards but I dopn't want them.
Amen. The Tone Gods know that everything is in your fingers. Nuno, EVH and many others just "feel their guitar and amp". I agree that delay is useful; we'd never have "Cathedrals" without it. Go back and listen to Blues Saraceno's "Hairpick" album; best tone ever recorded IMHO. No effects except for delay in one song.
He's mostly talking about using modulation effects for riffs and solo breaks, guys. At least, from the context of his own use of pedals that has to be what he's talking about.
I agree. Guitar straight into amp and just f’n rock n roll it. I know most use pedals but I’m a straight in kinda guy cuz it’s less headaches. The amp and the guitar more than enough knobs on them already
That's one way to look at it. If you have been in a wide variety of recording scenarios, which you probably haven't, pedals can be really useful in terms of allowing for more space in a studio (compared to lots of tube amps) and being able to alter a single guitar's tone. This could be more straight forward in some ways compared to multiple guitars / amps. The headache could also be maintenance on multiple guitars or amps. One thing I might suggest as you seem passionate and teetering on angry, I'd start looking at gear specifically as tools that fit a specific musical context. Some tools are outside of your personal idea of music, so they seem strange and unnecessary. But to other people they might get the job done easier and more efficient. If you haven't worked in that specific area of music, you'd have no experience. For tools, let's say a screw driver vs a driver vs an electric screw driver. Different shades of the same thing, useful in different scenarios. Cheers ✌️
I agree, pedals suck tone. I experiment with wood types in cabs, pine cabs, different speakers. Different guitars, even premium cables. The most articulate sound has no pedals. Modulation effects it's almost like turning a guitar into a keyboard. It has it's place and time for some songs but 90% of the time i do not want any pedals.
He does not use effects. Period. Except all the electronics that exist in amps plus a delay pedal. But apart from the electric guitar the amp the quad boxes the delays, compression and probably reverb on the final mix he doesn’t use effects.
This is a tough one because there’s an argument that pedals take out emotion, but I’d argue Andy Timmons is an immensely emotional player and his lush reverb and delay really add to that emotion.
@@ron3676 Well, yeah of course the amp is the most important part, but the argument was pedals vs no pedals. You HAVE to have the amp. I'm just saying that pedals are a big part of someone like AT's sound.
Depends on style music !! If I play clean melodies, then a pedal or two is nice !! However, if I'm playing classic 70s rock, then just an amp and guitar !!! My JTM45s in conjunction with my guitar volume usage is all needed !! I once had an impressive rack system in the 80s, and while on stage, the system just died !! Me and my drummer was troubleshooting all over the place while the comments were flying around in the auditorium of like 1k plus !! Oh Brother !! The band switched over to all acoustic, which surprisingly went extremely well !! Ever since that night , I went with two of the same amp heads and guitars !! I'm a prolific guitar player , but if the sound system dies, then I'm just another person standing around on stage !! 😢
I like Nuno but there is some really personal and over thought particularity in his opinion. He even goes full circle and eventually throws in the caveats that lead people to use tone shaping effects like chorus, flange, etc. He's not complaining about eds phase 90. Again, im a fan, nuno is great. He just sounds like a dumbass in this case. If you purely followed his train of thought then his caveats for guitar, cable, amp, sm57, recording- signal chain etc. could be dismantled by his own logic. But thats not what this is about. He's not articulating the actual problem he has with effects. The whole steve vai thing is completely anecdotal.
Yeah totally!!Amp distortion is greater than any pedal. Any overdrive,distortion pedal just ruins the amps organic sound or I haven’t yet tried a good overdrive or distortion pedal yet.
Obviously very subjective, but I have to wholeheartedly disagree on this one. Some of my favorite players are the ones who can creatively use pedals and fx. They’re like colors on a palette and can create moods otherwise not possible and lead to some really cool spontaneous moments that can’t be easily recreated, if at all. Not to mention, the end of his “Rise” solo is entirely processed to sound more like a synth lol.
When someone like Joe Satriani is impressed with your guitar playing, that's when you know that you've made a name for yourself in the rock and roll industry!
I always feel I'm in the presence of greatness whenever Nuno speaks. I had no idea he doesn't use pedals although i did wonder how he gets such a
staggeringly good sound, you feel it in your bones.
It's really all him, no 6 foot pedal board, pretty much a lead and an amp. This guy is one awesome talent.
Tube amps my friend....it's all them tube amps. Nothing more raw or more real
It is great but you need pedals to explore other sounds. It works for him because all he plays is hard rock and metal sounds. Imagine trying to make a psychedelic soundscape with no delay, reverb, or modulation.
His inspiration was Brian may, whose inspiration was Rory Gallagher. All three of them understand that an amp line and guitar was all it needs. The rest is in the fingers and strumming.
Same with Eric Steckel who is also a beast and he has a tone to die for !
@@bobygap You're right, just watching him now...
Agree with the EVH comments. The early Eddie guitar sound is what we fell in love with
@Manley156 Absolutley. The MXR Phase 90 and MXR Flanger were all over the early VH records. Ain't Talkin' 'Bout Love, Eruption and Atomic Punk are good examples
The echoplex was awesome
@Manley156 I thought the same thing. Ed’s original tone was far from naked. In fact, with regards to distortion, Ed’s tone became cleaner in later years.
If you've ever been to a Van Halen concert you will notice that Eddy's sound has more reverb than the grand canyon, that is a large part of his sound & the MXR Phase etc
Not quite what Nuno is talking about here !
rip Eddy
It's funny, when I was a kid I thought Eddie was doing everything with his fingers which made me try to emulate his sound with my fingers and pick. Turns out he was using a lot of MXR gear, but it made my guitar playing much more vocal.
Ironically, I've just got a chorus pedal and it sounds great...
Well said from a legendary guitar player
See, a man after my own heart. Sure, effects add so many more options, but there's SO much to be gained by eliminating options.
100%. Plug into an amp with zero effect. You’re completely on display and it’s all up to your fingers at that point. By the way, huge fan, Michael!
@@NickJardine Then you literally can’t produce certain sounds or genres. Try making a psychedelic rock song with no modulation just your guitar and amp
@@Childofbhaal completely agree. I wasn’t implying to make a record without pedals or anything. I’m saying any guitar player should hone their chops without the bells and whistles first. Add the colour to your sound after.
@@NickJardine For sure man I’ve started to really hone in on just my clean tone and sound. When I first started all I did was use pedals and make weird noises and now most of the time I just play my electric acoustically or quietly on the clean channel to work on fundamentals
@@Childofbhaal right on! Everyone should. I was the same when I started but have stripped back my rig to the bare minimum.
History will write Nuno into it as one of the foremost musician/guitarists of all time. It goes beyond his obvious prowess on the instrument and into his feel, emotion and ability to build a climax to every song he gets his mind dug into. He is a clearcut genius.
Nuno just has it figured out. Good stuff!
spoken like a true guitar virtuoso
There was a LOT going on with EVH earliest rig with pedals, EQs, load boxes and FX. In recently-released 1978-9 interview, EVH talks about Jose modding his amps that included swapping out transformers! That being said, NUNO makes perfect sense, and his tried and true methods fuckin WORK!!!! NUNO RULES!!!!!!
"Delay is different because it enhances what you've done already." Damn that's pretty deep. Guy's even a virtuoso speaking!
While I don't disagree for certain genres, it's a bit like piano vs keyboards. With effects, the guitar can become something else entirely. Say what you will about The Edge. Every studio cat emulated his delay tricks afterwards. And those riffs wouldn't exist without effects, period. But yeah, I love all the nuances, articulations, micro-bends and everything that makes a guitarist sound like one.
I agree to a point.
I happen to absolutely love Eddie’s 90s tone, especially on the Balance record. I don’t think Eddie could ever hide his playing haha.
But dynamics don’t seem to be as important these days. Everything is so heavily compressed, and while for people like The Edge, it works great, it doesn’t feel the same playing to me. I feel like I lose the guitar like Nuno was saying.
This is interesting... My Rig for the last 5 years as been a Charvel San Dimas, a Bugera 6262-212 and a Behringer Vintage Delay! And I'm totally fine with it! Effects can help expand your imagination and there is nothing wrong with it; it all depends on what you want... 🤘🤩
Some great points made.
This guy has been around forever, but didnt get recognition until his latest solo was hyped up by every major guitar influencer on youtube.
Not true. He's been well known and respected since Pornographitti
lol. you new here?
I think what happen is that ending the 80s Extreme was just coming out in a time were alternative and grunge music was popular and hard rock was ending. But I have respect for Nuno for keeping it real playing guitar solos and if they were to do something different, it was a jazzy tune or an orchestra score. True great musicianship all around! Nuno one of the BEST!
I love using pedals because I love the soundscapes. Then again, I'm not a virtuoso guitarist. If I were, I'd be playing acoustic jazz.
Boom 💥
I totaly agree with him. A cranked amp is my only effect - the rest - you have to do with your fingers! And Nuno surely knows what to do with his fingers!💪🤘
Tell that to Gilmour, The Edge, Alex Lifeson, etc. There a place for effects
You play and use what you like. It's as simple as that.
Completely agree...8 think he's saying just don't drown yourself of the sound in gimmicks...I personally like a few effects, they're fun....but there's a line
Totally agree. I could definitely live with a Delay and Wah.
great take. i'd say that effects tend to be more useful for rymthmn or creating an ambience of some sort. lead playing or solo sections inherently have a more room for expresiveness imo. the simpler the lead, the more an effect can make sense. for what nuno is doing, the drier the better. the nuances need to be present. obv like he said, throw some delay and verb on it to create space. either way, great conversation
What an interesting clip! Piano player here. I resonated with this in a different area. Whenever I play a keyboard or a keys/piano plug-in, no matter how good it is, it’s simply not the same as an actual, beautiful tuned and regulated grand piano ( or Rhodes or clav or organ…) what Nuno said about pedals, somehow, getting in the way, of your sound, is how I feel whenever I play, using a keyboard or a plug-in instead of the real thing. Any other keyboard players feel that way? Thanks Nuno for your amazing musicianship and thanks Cory for this podcast:).
Guitar player here who can play a little bit of piano. I can relate to what you saying and actually I was going to write something similiar to what you've said. So happen I got to play yamaha piano last week after so long of only play plug ins and wow.. it is world apart.
What is the album he is saying he played for Steve Via?
Nuno sounds great through any amp. My favourite tone was when he used the Soldano SL60 used on 3 Sides and Punchline.
Thought he used a Fender Vibroverb. Some rhythm tracks on 3 sides were the Soldano SL60.
@@Lennoxvrgt you're right. 3 Sides was pretty much the SL-60 (with a Boss Turbo Overdrive) for rhythm and most of the solos. The notable exception being the solo for Stop the World, which was a Marshall MS-2 (true story). And a GK250ML for most if not all of the cleans.
Punchline was pretty much the Vibroverb with everything turned up to 10. I think he went straight into the amp with no pedals. Part of the reason for the unique sound was a microphonic tube that late in the process failed. The amp never sounded the same when they replaced it. And according their engineer Bob St John, Nuno also used the SL-60 on Evilangelist.
Jimi Hendrix used pedals that’s good enough for me👍🎸
Eric Johnson would have some thoughts as well. Not to take away anything from Nuno and what he's saying! There was a period there after I got my first "real" amp, that I was in love with just Guitar > 6' cord > amp. There was a purity and immediacy that even my mates noticed and I stuck with that for at least 4 yrs but now that im much older (and bored maybe?) I've been playing with more pedals on the front end and in the loop.
As to EVH, I know Matt Bruck is a very respected tech but as someone who grew up on EVH, I really think his influence on Ed watered down the tone some.
But Nuno has a cranked Cherry picked Marshal. That s what pedal try to emulate. 99.99 percent of us can’t play that loud at home. So. Pedal get you 95 percent there with out blasting the neighbor s and most of don’t have that holy grail plexi. I have a killer amp it’s a red plate. And it doesn’t need pedal s except little delay. I understand what he mean s but if you have a normal amp under 1,000 You might not get that Eddie Van Halen marshal sound in your bedroom level
I love a proper use of an octavia and leslie speaker
Always loved this philosophy, I wanna sound like me on any amp and any guitar. Only use a wah and a gain pedal for some live stuff. Really makes your playing cleaner as well, no pedals to muddy up your sound and cover up mistakes.
Extreme’s Waiting for the Punchline album has the greatest “plug and play” guitar amp tone of all time, and really well recorded. Superb stuff.
Totally agree.
Agreed. Pornograffiti and III Sides had that big, fat ADA MP-1 pre-amp tone, but Waiting for the Punchline shifted towards that more raw and dynamic sound with the treble bite. I especially like Naked in how transparently it showcases Nuno's playing from clean-ish to crunch. And you know he's just rocking the volume knob there and not stepping on any pedals!
I could not possibly agree more ith this :) IMHO the absolute best guitar album ever!
So, he doesn't use any od pedals or distortion pedals? No reverb?
As a non-musician, I find this very interesting!
I think it is just a limitation. They said that when people started playing electric guitars, when Bob Dylan went out with the Band, they said he lost that direct connection of himself as an artist. But even an acoustic guitar, it is not direct. Even someone just singing Acapella into a mic, is not direct or more emotional.
It is just limitations that people create in their mind, and then separate from and think they are real in themselves.
It is, of course, a really subjective thing of what a "good, pure sound" is.
I make sounds based on the song I am doing, not on making morality rules on what is a good, pure, direct sound.
All deference to Nuno -- he's great. I'm just thinking though that he uses lots of distortion, and I'd swear he uses reverb on some of his solos. He probably uses what's built into his amp, but distortion and reverb are effects.
I like pedals. They can provide you with a color and inspiration you can’t get from guitar and amp alone. But I can also get what he’s saying about an effect overtaking your town. Modulation effects can be a love it or hate it thing. And there are some great pedals out there that can give you wide ranges when it comes to those effects, from subtle to extreme. I love a great clear chorus sound with as little warble as I can get. Flangers and phasers feel a bit too strong for me but have their uses. There are some amazing overdrives and distortions out there as well. They will change your tone but in my case with my amps make it far better than anything I can get with amp alone
Yeah dude last year a Boss DS1 took over my town too. Killed all the villagers. It was devastating.
@@TheWeekendYogurt I rediscovered my boss DS1x
I used to feel that way. But i got bored of only having two sounds. I need pedals or I’m bored
nuno literally has a pedal board with a GT10 for delay. a fuzz face, octaver and some other stuff. but his gain comes from his signature amp.
I love pedals. To me it's like a different guitar tuning. it just boosts creativity. No right or wrong here.
Agreed. Swearing off pedals/effects entirely just feels like putting a chokehold on what you can create. To each their own, but I'm not getting rid of my effects lol.
No way totally disagree . Pedals weaken your signal from your voice or guitar . I’d relate it to wearing a mask . You can see tre mask and it has a certain look but takes away the expression of your mouth and half your face . All the best players ever did sound for all played direct into their Amps .
@@humanactivated1017 By your own logic, to listen to different music is to distort your purity. Being faithful to that statement, you're encapsulating yourself in a very tight space. In fact, your own current (let's say) 80s tone is derivative of using pedals. Again.. No right or wrong here.
They can be a distraction and a waste of money too.
@@endezeichengrimm Buy an old Boss GT 3 processor for the price of one pedal... And go have fun. Having GAS has nothing to do with it. Also, and again, what you call a distraction, i call creativity. I don't struggle for better shreds, i want to have fun creating, and with a full range of motion, where with black metal, goth, funk, R&B, Retrowave or whatever you wanna call it. 😉
I definitely get what he’s saying. I thing engineers and sound guy like things that compress our tone.
Tell that to The Edge. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
Curious what kind pedal he's really talking about in here ? I guess he was talking about conpressor or pre processor stuff not post fx.
I use a handful of pedals - (a fuzz, a wah, a delay) but even that feels pretty minimal these days. Sometimes I see a young band and the guitar player is dancing on a dozen different pedals and the bassist is dancing on a half dozen but every tune sounds different like a different band, its really hard to pin down a "sound". -- Vs a Brian May, or a Angus Young, Billy Gibbins or whoever; their tone is unmistakable - its their hands on their instrument almost straight into their amps. Roll up a bit for solos roll down for rhythm; maybe switch pickups but that's kind of it. Old School.
Pedals are kool very inspirational 👍🎸
I get the idea, but Eddie was a bad example - even Van Halen I was drenched in reverb, echoplex and phase90.
He talks a lot about chorus so I'm inclined to think he is referring to the fact that everybody used chorus to death back in the 80s and also the micropitch delay to copy the "steve lukather bradshaw rig tone".
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I think he means that the use of harmonizer, splitting, creating a type of chorusing effect in 90s VH took away from the immediacy of his early sound. The phasing used in the first record is very sparse. And also, it's going into the amp. Not a post processing of the preamplified signal before hitting the power amps like he did later. I see his point. It's not just pedals what takes away this immediacy, but it's how and where you use them.
The key thing in his comments is ‘when you use them wrong.’ He is not against effects full stop. The difference between chorus and delay is really just some milliseconds…modulated delay is really just long form chorus.
I think there is arguably more immediacy straight in, but there is still plenty going on EQ wise and as regards transients when it comes to pickups, preamps, amp tone stacks, phase inverter, power section, speaker cabs. ‘I don’t use any EQ.’ Yeah, but you double mic…that’s EQ. (And FWIW I love double miking and that particular combo.)
I dunno. If you use them right, you get Steve Stevens. I think it’s a skill like anything else.
Nuno still uses the BOSS GT-8.
I could not agree more, and for all the reasons Nuno lists. And if you play with just your fingers, you'll make the creativity, tonal changes, rhythm and picking techniques right there on the fretboard. Delay is the exception as it is a very specific effect. And I agree - not an absolute. Just works for me.
Sweet validation 👍🏻🤘🏻
I recorded a song for a music library and they said wow the production is really great in this song, good job. Which I replied, I didn't do anything, no reverb or effects of any kind, funny how that works sometimes.
This is exactly why AI created music will never replace music emotion created by human hands.
Unfortunately, synths have already taken so much of the craft and soul from music and it doesn't seem that it'll stop. I expect the same from AI, especially if pop music is all about singers with musicians being relegated to backing up the singer. 😢
Got it, don’t use pedals unless you want an effect 😂
Lmao my guy the days of guitar music are long behind us, the past 10 years of pop music can be made without any expressive instruments
He is Just right, when the amp is good its you and your guitar!
My Ibanez es 175 straight into the Marshall combo. Rock Candy.
Shots fired, Josh!
(Kidding! Kind of.)
While it might not be my choice of words I get what he is saying. One of the strange things about guitarists, specially electric ones is that they don’t work on tone production. Trumpet players play long tones and work on it, violinists work on their sound and so do woodwind players. Electric guitarists nowadays want to approach it by buying the new pedal or magic gizmo that will make it better, and there is the next thing and the next.
Sound starts with the guitarist. Where you pluck the string, the angle, the preparation or no preparation of the attack, the direction, angle. Is it played with a pick? What kind of pick? Is it fingerstyle? With nails or without? Is the fretting hand relaxed or over pressing? Are you muting the notes unrelated to the chord changes?
My point is that there is much to do from the side of technique alone to produce a sound. Of course if we are talking electric guitar then which guitar into which amp? How is it set?
I am not personally against effects but to me they are just that. Unless one is going for a synth or heavily modulated sound the rest of the processing I view the rest of signal processing as enhancement.
Agreed! Same with organic sounding drums too!
it's kind of a weird statement though considering the Ratt pedal was such a staple of his sound for the earlier Extreme stuff.
100% agree with him.and heres the hard part
Without pedals,you dont get ,Pinkfloyd,zeppelin, and The police.but hes rught,imho. Your hands should dictate whats coming out of your amp. Dire straits and Metallica proved that. But then we wouldnt have U2.
I agree with Nuno. There comes a point when the tone becomes over saturated from too many effects. Basic effects are still cool though.
I have always dug Will Swan's creative use of pedals, but I do generally agree with Nuno's overall sentiment.
Brian May's signature tones involve pedals....
I've only seen a few clips of Nuno playing live but he's obviously a very knowledgeable and skilled player. Guitarists like him have philosophical ideas worth hearing. 1:55 His attitude on delay
We can’t all record cranked amp tones on a daily basis
Brilliant players such Andy summers and Trevor Rabin, make use of effects so as to add textures with intent to create a particular mood.
yeah I can't imagine Will Swan without the use of interesting pedals.
He spent 2 minutes knocking pedals, processing, and modulation effects, but then clearly contradicted his entire rant by stating that he uses delay, and then stated that modulation can be beautiful sounding. Take it with a grain of salt guys. Chase whatever tone appeals to your ears. Nuno is great but this is just a humble brag about him not relying on drenched guitar tones to sound objectively good.
Actually no. He’s right. Pedals can be a distraction from the connection between the player, the instrument and the amplifier….
Gary Moore was so great at this. He really played with his hands an heart. No fuss, no gadgets. Just a high quality guitar, a decent sounding amp and his unparalleled craftsmanship. It's archaic, organic, and goes right under the audience's skin. Same with Angus Young.
All he played was blues or rock that’s why he doesn’t need effects. For players who play across all genres you literally need pedals
He made the Marshall Guvnor pedal famous though.
Uh no. You better do some reading. Gary always used pedals. He had a BAD MONKEY on his pedalboard 🤣🤣
Not to mention Gary Moore used phasers, flangers, delays and reverbs. So this is completely false. I can agree about Angus however.
Long time ago a real musician told me if you can get a good sound with the most basic equipment, you have talent
Hmm 😅
Way too ideological way of thinking. There's this idea of purity, simplicity. But purity and simplicity doesn't buy you anything. What counts is to create music that is a projection of your personality and has an emotional impact on the listener. That's all. By any mean mecessary. What you use to achieve your musical goals is completely free and at your disposal. Any restriction defined by others is just pure crap. Ignore it. If the sound in your head asks for a phase, then use a phaser. If not, don't use it. Your talent is to get your ideas across. Everything else (technical abilities, versatility, guitars, amps, stompboxes) are just tools to achieve that.
Plug and play musician. I love that.
I have a few pedals on my board but 9 times out of 10 I have no pedals on. it's basic guitar to tuner to noise gate to amp. Some guitar players get so wrapped up in pedals and gear. At some point you have to play. I agree with Nuno about Eddie's sound but, I love the sound of carnal knowledge and balance. Nuno has always been in my top 5 guitar players.
Nuno's was right about that two person he'd mentioned, Page and May. That two persons guitar tone is incomparable. But always don't get it wrong we do need a help of the guitar pedal/effects sometimes
I played out for over 20 years. I never used pedals. I'd like to give the same excuse as Nuno. But mostly I just didn't like dealing with extra gear.
This is silly. He literally says in several magazines, and in the big Beato interview, he's got a Rat in front of the Marshall. Which you kind of need, because Marshalls sound terrible for this style of music.
I “like” chicken, “love” it with Frank’s red hot on it. That being said…my next purchase will be an EVH chorus.
I’ve always loved anything raw. I love simple.
I read some years ago about his gear on Guitar Mag and he mentioned an effects pedal that he was using for a lot of years so i´m not sure about the veracity of what he´s declaring here. The only album i hear more "raw" or "plug & play" is definitely "Waiting For The Punchline".
But Ed had a bunch of pedals in front of his Marshall the whole time.
Yes. But they were situational effects. Punched in at moments in the song. Not like the later years when his sound was saturated with effects.
@@ericwhite2830 No, I get that, but the Echoplex and EQs he used really helped shape what Ed's actual tone was, It wouldn't have sounded like that without that board in front of the amp.
His more recent tone with the EVH amps (not the Peavey ones) I thought was way too fizzy. The Van Hagar tone was wide but dark. I thought his best tone was on Fair Warning.
100% agree!!
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He is using slight distortion only from the AMp
I use one RAT I got in early 80's and that's it. I like to go from distorted to clean without going to the amp. Nothing against pedal boards but I dopn't want them.
Amen. The Tone Gods know that everything is in your fingers. Nuno, EVH and many others just "feel their guitar and amp". I agree that delay is useful; we'd never have "Cathedrals" without it. Go back and listen to Blues Saraceno's "Hairpick" album; best tone ever recorded IMHO. No effects except for delay in one song.
Yep hes bang on
He's mostly talking about using modulation effects for riffs and solo breaks, guys. At least, from the context of his own use of pedals that has to be what he's talking about.
I agree. Guitar straight into amp and just f’n rock n roll it. I know most use pedals but I’m a straight in kinda guy cuz it’s less headaches. The amp and the guitar more than enough knobs on them already
That's one way to look at it. If you have been in a wide variety of recording scenarios, which you probably haven't, pedals can be really useful in terms of allowing for more space in a studio (compared to lots of tube amps) and being able to alter a single guitar's tone. This could be more straight forward in some ways compared to multiple guitars / amps. The headache could also be maintenance on multiple guitars or amps.
One thing I might suggest as you seem passionate and teetering on angry, I'd start looking at gear specifically as tools that fit a specific musical context. Some tools are outside of your personal idea of music, so they seem strange and unnecessary. But to other people they might get the job done easier and more efficient. If you haven't worked in that specific area of music, you'd have no experience.
For tools, let's say a screw driver vs a driver vs an electric screw driver. Different shades of the same thing, useful in different scenarios.
Cheers ✌️
I agree, pedals suck tone. I experiment with wood types in cabs, pine cabs, different speakers. Different guitars, even premium cables. The most articulate sound has no pedals. Modulation effects it's almost like turning a guitar into a keyboard. It has it's place and time for some songs but 90% of the time i do not want any pedals.
david gilmour uses lot of pedal and still sound musical.
to each their own 🍀
his music is depending on the pedal without the pedal hes just david
2:35 Cleary says "for me"
David Gilmore doesn't use ungodly amounts of gain that can hide your fingertone
@bobandblackeyfanclubsucks David Gilmour has the best feel of any guitarist. He is a true master...
He does not use effects. Period. Except all the electronics that exist in amps plus a delay pedal. But apart from the electric guitar the amp the quad boxes the delays, compression and probably reverb on the final mix he doesn’t use effects.
yea thanks nuno for share ring
This is a tough one because there’s an argument that pedals take out emotion, but I’d argue Andy Timmons is an immensely emotional player and his lush reverb and delay really add to that emotion.
Without those Mesa amps with that great big Deep Raw tone,,,those pedals would not sound as good,,,it's the AMPS.
@@ron3676 Well, yeah of course the amp is the most important part, but the argument was pedals vs no pedals. You HAVE to have the amp. I'm just saying that pedals are a big part of someone like AT's sound.
Andy Timmons,,,he now has a signature sound, amps have to sound good first. The pedals give him that signature tone.
@robbynaumann439 no doubt it's his signature tone.
I thought i was weird lol. Im a plug straight in the head ,turn the gain to 4.5, add a little compression and im good to go.
Depends on style music !! If I play clean melodies, then a pedal or two is nice !! However, if I'm playing classic 70s rock, then just an amp and guitar !!! My JTM45s in conjunction with my guitar volume usage is all needed !! I once had an impressive rack system in the 80s, and while on stage, the system just died !! Me and my drummer was troubleshooting all over the place while the comments were flying around in the auditorium of like 1k plus !! Oh Brother !! The band switched over to all acoustic, which surprisingly went extremely well !! Ever since that night , I went with two of the same amp heads and guitars !! I'm a prolific guitar player , but if the sound system dies, then I'm just another person standing around on stage !! 😢
Without listening to this, let me guess? Because he uses a hi gain amp and only needs that!
“Except delay” lol
I like Nuno but there is some really personal and over thought particularity in his opinion. He even goes full circle and eventually throws in the caveats that lead people to use tone shaping effects like chorus, flange, etc. He's not complaining about eds phase 90. Again, im a fan, nuno is great. He just sounds like a dumbass in this case. If you purely followed his train of thought then his caveats for guitar, cable, amp, sm57, recording- signal chain etc. could be dismantled by his own logic. But thats not what this is about. He's not articulating the actual problem he has with effects. The whole steve vai thing is completely anecdotal.
Yeah totally!!Amp distortion is greater than any pedal. Any overdrive,distortion pedal just ruins the amps organic sound or I haven’t yet tried a good overdrive or distortion pedal yet.
Obviously very subjective, but I have to wholeheartedly disagree on this one. Some of my favorite players are the ones who can creatively use pedals and fx. They’re like colors on a palette and can create moods otherwise not possible and lead to some really cool spontaneous moments that can’t be easily recreated, if at all. Not to mention, the end of his “Rise” solo is entirely processed to sound more like a synth lol.
Gary Rossington same thing.
Good comment.
No EQ?, that pretty much eliminates any top studio rock album from any decade...
When someone like Joe Satriani is impressed with your guitar playing, that's when you know that you've made a name for yourself in the rock and roll industry!
But you don't the chorus in the guitar when someone's singing