Factor 55 Rope Retention Pulley | Arizona 4x4 Off-road Recovery | Heavy Truck Extraction
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Some of you mentioned that you would like to see product test data from a source other than ourselves. We get it. You want to see unbiased field test data, the good and the bad.
It’s no secret that prior to releasing any products to the public, we like to gather prototype field data from a wide variety of others in the industry (Vehicle recovery companies, Racers, 4X4 Trainers, Military, SAR, Enthusiasts etc). We’ve mentioned how valuable this data can be since often times these organizations when compared to the average off-road enthusiast, use Factor 55 products in more demanding ways such as higher duty cycles and extreme loads. So, in the next few weeks instead of posting our own test data, we will be posting some videos and test data from other external sources. None of these sources were paid by Factor 55 in any way, although some of the evaluation products were offered in exchange for the field data.
Are you interested in testing/evaluating Factor 55 products? Simply send us your test plan including what instrumentation that you will be using and what data you will be recording. Don’t worry about your plan being perfect, we can work with you on creating a plan that will result in valid data. Also, for you web sticklers, let’s be easy on these testers. No test plan is perfect and in some cases, neither is the safety execution of said plan.
So let’s start out with a raw unedited video from our friend Joe Osuch of Arizona 4x4 OffRoad Recovery LLC. Joe owns a towing company and definitely uses Factor 55 products with more frequency than most. He recovers stuck vehicles off-road on a daily basis. A while back we sent him an RRP for evaluation. Although the RRP is not intended for ultra-high duty cycle applications, why not see how it holds up to this type of usage? In this case, Joe is using a 15K capacity winch to extract a well-mired F150 that others previously attempted to, but failed to recover. The F150 was not running and in neutral. No instrumentation in this case, just a video showing how the RRP functions. So, let us know what you think of these types of videos. Stay tuned for more field RRP videos revealing efficiencies, not all friction pulleys are created equal.
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I cringed when he stepped over that winch line...
I know...my dangly parts went into retraction!
I know! I came down to comment on that too!
We all did brother.
I cringed when he walked up and stuck the camera (and presumably his face) right next to the line.
Edit to add: shouldn't there be a weighted blanket or do you not use them for synthetics?
Same here never never step over an active cable
Smart! Get your face right in the line of fire.
Can you imagine if something let go right then?
While I agree with you on the safety first thing, this is not wire rope and stores up that kind of energy, but yes it still can let loose to some degree. Plus, if he stood back 150 feet and shot the video, you'd be complaining you can see anything and what good is the video and what a waste of time it was watching it. He also did wait until the HEAVY part of the pulling was completed before going into the "LINE OF FIRE". Was he stupid or maybe just not a crybaby snowflake....I guess that's for each of us to decide, but for me, after I click REPLY here, I'm crawling back inside my bubble wrap safe space so the scary world doesn't get me.
wjf213 rope does store up that kind of energy. I had a Sampson rope get away from me while pulling large wire in a conduit with a Ugg’s game machine, much like a winch on a truck. It sounded like a file went off when I lost control of it. The power of the rope snapping back hit my thigh & knocked my pocket knife through the material of my jeans pocket & down my pant leg. It left a large bruise on my thigh. Just saying. Never get in front of it or straddle it. You won’t like what will happen.
@@gregphillips1998 Yes, I agree, that's why I said it does not store up "THAT" kind of energy like in wire rope, but never the less it will let loose to some degree.
About 25 or 30 years ago I was in a northern Wisconsin bar watching the Bears play the Packers....I was the only Bear fan, so I was a target, fun target though. Anyway, we were all BSing with this old guy in a wheelchair with no legs, and we were all talking telling war stories, and he was funny as hell and saying things about what he did that clearly he needed legs to do, so I asked him what happened to his legs.
He said years ago he worked for a company that built pre-stressed concrete bridge parts. He said they used to go down in the pits where they pulled wire rope to "X" amount of tension, and then pour concrete around the wire rope....or some thing to that affect.
Anyway, he said one time he was in the pit, and they had a bad wire rope and it broke and came back and took out both his legs in a split second.
So while Sampson rope gave you a bruise, it allowed you to keep your leg, because like I said before, it doesn't store up "THAT" kind of energy in it, but it does store up energy to some degree and can still be dangerous.
But I completely agree with what you're saying...stay away from any type of rope when winching, and to be honest, I really didn't think it store up as much energy as what it did when it hit you. Thanks for sharing, I learned some thing today and I'm happy you're good to go to share your story.
@@wjf213 cameras have this new thing called zoom in... You'd love it
RIP Joe (guy extracting). This guy was a legend in Az 4x4 recovery and helped me and countless others out. Never seen the snatch ring be used in this fashion and appears to be a great solution.
Damn thats one hell of a winch, it was pulling non-stop.
Recreational off-roaders on the internet: OMG NeVEr StEp OVer tHE WinCH LINEEE!!!
Professional recovery expert with +30yrs experience: Steps over barely-loaded winch line
Guy wants to win the Darwin award. Stupid people, win stupid prizes......
That’s a tough looking truck you got there sir! (The Ford doing the pulling)
At the end of pull, was kinetic rope used as the winch rope extension? If the fat looking rope was kinetic rope it isn't a good idea, as huge potential energy will be stored and if it snap, it is like smaug's wiping tail.
No kinetic ropes were used in this rigging. But you are correct. Kinetic ropes should not be used in winch rigging scenarios because of the potential energy storage. Thanks!
Would it have been wise to pour a small amount of water on the inner ring of the snatch block?. The ring and the winch block are moving, but the attachment loop is constantly rubbing on the inside of the snatch block. So it will generate heat due to the friction. Water would not deteriorate the synthetic cable
You can see in this video ua-cam.com/video/m9NEI_KV7_c/v-deo.html that the heat build-up due to the friction of the ring spinning on the soft shackle is very minimal. Even under a heavy load, the hard-anodized aluminum that the RRP is made out of dissipates heat very quickly.
rubber nipples add 100 bucks but still don't add efficiency
I assume the rubber bits keep the line from falling out when there's no tension on it.
I figured out a way to use 2 snatch rings to get a 5:1 or 6:1 ratio by utilizing the middle of the rings as pulleys. 1/2 rope might be too thick to get 3 lines through the middle of the ring without excess friction, but 3/8 rope will work. Here's a diagram of the pulley setup.
ua-cam.com/video/QSRaeuzBQL4/v-deo.html
No.
Great demonstration, BUT I wouldn't risk to be on the side of that tensing line, even if you paid me handsomely.
Cool new pulling technology..
Sycamore creek is ruined. It's really sad (and dangerous)
Wow steps over the line that Smart
Jose Garcia We do not agree with Joe’s technique but he has been in offroad recovery for more than 30+ years and in one aspect it’s pretty incredible how much he trusts his gear.
@@Factor55 I love your gear ( wish I could afford some ), but there's absolutely nothing incredible about being stupid.
Factor 55 poor excuse. I would ask at what point in his 30+ years of experience did he decide it was ok to step over a loaded winch line? I would guess at 30+ years ago.
Typical Ford owner...an F150 in a river.
the perfect place for 4x4s
I paid $19.00 for each of mine. Remember guys. It's just a chunk of aluminum. Everyone wants to reinvent the wheel. Then charge a fortune. Seen there new winch hook? Already there are a bunch of knock offs on the market for 25% the cost of there's. Some even look way cooler. Have fun.
Ours is the only one with the patented rope retention feature and mil-spec hard anodized with Teflon treatment on the critical friction surface to prolong the life of your synthetic fibers. Yes, there are cheaper options, but none with these features or making them specifically for off-road. Imported aluminum does not have the consistency and repeatability in the material properties or lot traceability. Buyer beware. We will have fun. You stay safe out there.
Beautiful nature spot... Trucker being hoisted: " Let's go there with our big 4x4 and destroy it !"
Do you have a seller in Perth Australia?
There may be some shops that can get one for you through some of our AU Dealers like Drifta, Offroad Industries, Solve Offroad, SJM, Ontrak, A247, etc as they may have what you’re looking for in stock.
If not email us at sales@factor55.com and we can provide you with a quote. Thanks!
That guy wants his nuts taken out by the breaking line. Or maybe he already had them taken out from one of previous pulls.
Good idea but I prefer cable over syn rope and I use a snatch block. I pull over 25- 30k, my power wagon is equipped with a 40k Garwood pto winch rear frame mount coupled to the 205 transfer case. 200 ft.- 1/2 inch crane cable. If did a video I wouldn't be no where near the cable or any attachments like this guy is just walking over and around the syn rope especially the poly pulley and soft bow wearing in one spot , no way I prefer a pulley with bearing or bushing. But that's a demonstration.
This is a good idea and all,nots as effective as a snatch block but more lighter,quick set up and more safety,since the soft shake will catch the winch rope incase of breaking,but was wondering about the design,its a great pulley,just wanted to ask why not go more into making it like a iddle pulley wheel? Same size,same set up and still safe incase of breaking
Have you seen this testing video?
ua-cam.com/video/m9NEI_KV7_c/v-deo.html
The RRP is quite efficient compared to a traditional snatch block. You are correct. It is not as efficient but it only sees a frictional loss of 6-10% and with conventional vehicle recovery winches we feel this is an acceptable loss for the gains of weight savings and function.
Do you mean an idler pulley? We are still in the development of some new products that might better suit your needs.
@@Factor55 thanks for the reply and yeah I seen that video,really nice comparison and all,and yeah it's not a big loss,it is a great product and ik there still more to come,you had made many great products and all wich its impressive, I was just wondering bcuz at times people use more than 1 snatch which in that case it would probably be a greater lost do to the friction it would create, was just curious if that's something that would work better having the inner bearings
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Always use a snatchblock and mechanical advantage. Never use a straight line pull. I'm glad to see you using proper equipment. I cringe watching people use a straight line pull.
RIP Joe. Miss all your posts and videos.
Us too.
I was waiting for the heavy truck to be extracted!!!! It’s a large 4x4 not a truck
The sand can get super loose in that spot. I buried my Polaris Ranger below the floorboards in that exact spot. 😆 good times!
Rookie mistake stepping over that cable bud.
I would only use a soft shackle with a pulley for change of direction, for double line pull I would use a traditional pulley less friction.
Joe the man the legend thx for pulling me out of a few fuck ups Rip
Grow up! Always people like that that ruin the good things.
Sycamore Creek i have pulled someone out of that exact same spot
It is safer to open both cars' hoods. In case the rope is cut down.
what was the event? "Christmas tree burn"??
Neat idea never seen that before I use synthetic rope and soft shackles now but to a traditional snatch block .
Holy dangerous as fk rigging batman.
Not at all. This truck was stuck for almost 2 days and this extracted the truck with ease.
So I must say their products seem to be good however their company seems to promote unsafe practices which doesn’t exactly promote sales
wheres that spot at we trail ride alot & i havent been there?
Did you figure it out??
If only I have a synthetic line😞
Easy to upgrade. You can find great deals on synthetic rope from Warn, Custom Splice, JM Rigging, Masterpull, or even on Amazon.
Feel free to call us if you have any questions. 208-639-1674
Thanks!
This method also doubles your winches pulling power.
Really?!😲
Really?!
That’s the only thing it does, what did you think they were talking about?
In this case there is a bit more friction and wont be as close to 2 as normal blocks it seems to me.
Just use some TruckClaws!
Can you use this with steel cable or only synthetic?
Aubrey A the RRP is for synthetic line only. Thanks!
@@Factor55 Now I see how this works. Very cool. Would it be possible to get a laser temp reading on that pulley while under load for a pull like this, or have you already done that, and if so, what kind of temps are being recorded on a long heavy pull? Keep up the great work.
@@wjf213 Thank you!!! You can view this video below and see the temps associated with heavy pulls are very minimal.
ua-cam.com/video/m9NEI_KV7_c/v-deo.html
The Teflon coated Mil-Spec hard anodizing on the RRP dissipates heat so quickly. It is a very slick surface on the billet aluminum. The RRP does not rotate at a fast enough rate to make heat an issue.
How’s this more beneficial then a snatch block
Besides less moving parts I just see it being under a lot of friction with the similar purpose
There is no way it has less resistance then a block type . The more friction on that point increases higher line values
David Broome we are not saying that the friction on the RRP is less than that of a traditional snatch block, we are saying that the increased friction on the RRP is much lower than most would expect. See video in the comments above.
Factor 55 Soo your sacrificing being more efficient for a little bit of weight?
Kinda all I picked up there
@Ozzy Madrid the efficiency you are sacrificing is minimal and you save, not only on weight but also eliminate the potential of the rope jumping the sheave and becoming bound up between the swing plates, which can happen during momentary slack conditions.
rip joe