Sand Winching, best sand anchors off-road
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Sand Winching, best sand anchors off-road
We test 3 different methods of sand recovery:
0:01 Bury the tyre
10:12 Bury the high lift jack
12:52 Bury the Deadman
Items used:
Tyre and rim
High lift Jack
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ARB recovery gear bag
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you don't have to dig the DEAD MAN out. just winch on one of four straps. it will come out
-All the way from Sri Lanka
great idea :)
That’s a long way to winch from
I have seen the Dead Man used by the manufacturers, but this video sold me on it Ronny! RIP High Lift jack. You died for science!
The US Army FM 20-22 Vehicle recovery handbook is priceless. You can find them easily in PDF form. It covers all these methods, plus so much more.
Will check it out thanks.
Thanks!
Have my old mans still.. Amazing book lol. I have a few other old school books on it. Ever seen a winch made from rope and 2 small trees?
Thank you mate…
Lucas R.... thank you so much supporting this HillBilly; an *Aboriginie in Australia
knows... better. I thoght US-Americans are practicable and modern.....
A good video and public service. One thing i would add is bury your point as far as possible from the stuck vehicle. Use as much working strap as you can. The reason being is if you get stuck again digging that hole a second time is a real pain in the butt... from first hand experience. ;-)
Great point! comment of the day so far
Yes and another advantage is that the winch will have greater pulling power with most of the cable off it's drum.
it's the exact same as anchoring a boat. the more scope you have out, the better holding power your anchor will have.
True just like anchoring in the snow during alpine climbing u need to dig a proper T for maximum effect and minimum effort
Must have for any recovery kit- two other mugs to do the digging!
Hahahahaha yer of course it’s called positive feedback, beer bbq, and paid for the work. 😆
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That deadman system is great , less work than a tyre , if your all alone you go home . Not everyone has a winch though , back to shovel and max tracks or wait for a tow out , a lot of 4WDrivers will help anyone anywhere , great bunch :-)
Stephen Kite yeah true mate, got serious bogged in Coorong few weeks ago at night and max track not working, glad some friendly blokes give us a hand!
In a pinch you could use your farm jack (High Lift jack) as a winch/giant come-along. I used them before I had enough money to buy a winch.
Stephen Kite I only help people that bring their own gear if you go 4 wheel driving with no recovery gear I'm not using mine to get you out
I think the hi-lift jack would have worked if it was burried deeper. the other critical component that was missing from these attempts was that you didn't dig a lead line trench from the depth of the anchor in the direction of the winch. this would have given less of a vertical (lifting) force component and it would have engaged more passive resistance from the earth you are trying to anchor in. another easily stored option that would require a lot less digging is a tilting plate passive earth anchor. I have seen these used for heavy equipment tie downs with great success as long as it is installed correctly.
Yes, I was thinking the same thing.
Need to get that line pulling sideways.
When you berry anything for an anchor you need to dig a small channel for your strap or cable to lay in so it's not trying to pull it up and out of the hole
Should have tried to bury a pair of maxtrax. He also should have used a winch cable instead of a snatch strap. The smaller the strap the better will it cut trough the sand building a better angle to winch out🤔😅
Totally agree, this is way more critical than people realise
Try a builders tonne bag. We use the for delivering sand to building sites in the UK. The other plus about them is they are strong and practically free.
I think you just sold a whole bunch of Deadmen :)
I almost purchased a bit pricey,
Looks to be well made and ever video I see with the dead man shows it works so me personally if I'm going to spend money I want to know it's spent well.
As soon as he said wow, it really worked, SOLD!! Nice!!
That was the point, a commercial
It’s not a commercial. It’s a demonstration. I got mine after watching this.
When stuck in mud, sand or snow after youve found a good anchoring point to hook your winch line to lay the winch line over the top of your spare tire about 5 feet in front of your rig . It will lift your vehicle up out of the mud , sand or snow before its starts being pulled forward. Its amazing how fast a vehicle is recovered using the spare as a lifting point
That's the way farmers pull a tree root out with a tractor, produces vertical lift on the root right away.
True..... but also increases danger by insuring the line will go high if something breaks....🤪😬
dunno why you put the tire vertical would buried it flat, and dug a small strap wide trench for the strap so you are pulling against everything instead of just poping out the tire top
myles l
My thoughts, they didn't leave any trench for the tyre or high lift.
It's only pulling on the sand to put on top, not the beach.
I agree the weight of the sand on it laying flat in the sand would have worked the first try
That isnt how you sell the dead man though.
Bingo , that seems obvious.
use the sand between you and the tire not just the sand on top of the tire.
very good video, thanks.
I may note that on all buried recovery points the resistance to withdrawal is improved greatly if a trench is dug to ramp up the rope rather than the rope coming vertically out of the hole.
with a ramp the anchor is pulled through the ground rather than pulled up through the back-filled material.
Ramping the trench at a 1:3 slope (for every foot deep ramp out to 3 feet or the equivalent ratio in metric) would easily double the withdrawal resistance due to the shear capacity of the undisturbed ground.
it is also easier on the rope and does not embed as much sand into the fibers.
howdy my understanding with them Recovery damper u should put sand in them as well to stop the rope coming fly back at the car
Thanks for going to so much effort in this video guys, wow what a workout!
Since when does 4 feet = 30 inches lol
When you get tired of digging.
Haha whoops oh well
Look on the bright side Ronny, if it works 2.5ft down it'll definitely work at 4ft haha
Brad Mlodystach - thanks subway!
I am glad someone else caught that....
Damit we dug to hole to far away the winch doesn't reach!! LOL
I notice whenever someone is testing the Deadman it's always in nice soft sand and on a sunny beautiful day. If only life was that convenient, lol!
You go to the beach in a storm? It's meant for sand and most people are at the beach on a nice beautiful day.
I'd rather have overcast day myself....Digging that sand on a "beautiful" day is hot work, for you and your winch.
The deadman is upside down, the reinforced straps are on the back
Bulka bag $20 at sand or brick suppliers- will give that a try, I have seen them lift 2 tons. Also if you can't get a bulka bag out, just leave it there ( with regard to the environment, ie if tide beating ya, Good stuff!)
Must have been pretty tyre-ing digging those holes..
Yes it must have been, I didn't see Ronny doing much of the digging, being a UA-camr this sort of thing is best left to the workers behind the camera, after all can't have him break a fingernail or something.
Tired digging in sand? That's funny. I dug a hole up to my chin and 6' dia with a plastic shovel. LOL.
Its about the pun TYRE-ING..coz his an ausie..lol
Lesson from snow & ice climbing: make sure the lead from the dead anchor is buried so that the pull doesn't just lift the anchor out of the snow/sand - the anchor needs to stay below sand level, so line up the pull rope/strap accordingly.
And make the anchor want to bury itself rather than pop out by leaning it away from the pull direction.
Back in the old days around 1975, I did what you guys are doing with my 1956 long wheelbase Land-Rover, the difference being I had a Capstan winch, and a 100 meters 25mm dia manila rope we buried the spare wheel 750 X 16 halfway through the pull, the chain broke around the buried wheel, so moral of this story add a 2nd rope independent of the first rope and leave it above the suffice, so you don't spend the rest of the day looking for the said buried wheel Australia
Can someone please post this up to facebook, so all them nuggets that get stuck on the beach with minimal recover gear, learn something before asking Facebook recoveries. Let alone still running full tyre pressure.
Been Fraser Is, Qld, a sand island, many times,how many dorks don't even carry a shovel, much less letting their tyres down
Ohhh that Deadman is fantastic, I'm going to order one right now.
Hang on.............I don't have a winch..................damn 😢
wrap a rope around your tyre and use it to spool it up if you have to
Or get a proper high lift jack
Joe King 🤙
Or get a very heavy duty comealong
Ronny - I carry a normal everyday boat sand anchor... Simple to use... Dig a good hole and bury it and your winch cable with the shank at a 45 degree angle and out you pop... The pull of the winch forces the blade deeper into the sand and they work well without having to bury a bloody big tyre...
The deadman has multiple uses and packs into a tight space without the weight.
Exactly what type of boat anchor works for this? I searched online and their are many different options.
@@Tsalinger But you don't have to dig a 4 ft hole with a boat/sand anchor. You can still carry the sand anchor (army calls it a sand parachute0 for the other uses.
great effort Ronny, the deadman works tops and easy to store in a recovery kit, etc
An idea tried in Mexico was HI lifting each wheel filling hole with sand and topping with Max Trax. Worked like a charm..
Why don't you have the steel sand anchor (plough type) to compare? At least you don't need to bury them, only dig them up afterwards. However you do need two people, as someone has to guide it whilst winching it in.
they are a real pain in the arse but we will be using one in future. Just have to find one first. most 4WD store dont want to lend me one as they all say theirs is crap... Still looking might have to pay for one...
So they are selling crap? Strange...
I would not sell stuff I don't believe in.
Go buy a 40lb Danforth boat anchor, from a boat shop. In one direction they bury themselves down a few feet before stopping once enough sand is between it and vehicle to weigh more than the vehicle and winch pulls vehicle to anchor. Now unstuck, using winch again, pull at anchor from opposite direction and wholla anchor comes right out.
I’ve often wondered why not use a lightweight fortress? They pack flat and are literally designed to hold in sand and mud. Plus no digging just set the flukes and let it bury itself.
Agreed. The Pull-Pal makes quick work of being stuck instead of having to spend an hour digging a hole to bury something in. If you have plenty of time and the weather conditions are good the Deadman is an option. I usually get stuck when it's freezing out and the last thing I want is to spend an hour out there when I could be home by the fire. I use mine solo btw. 2 people aren't necessary in sand or snow and on hard pack I just put an extension cord to my winch control or you can use a wireless remote setup.
Paint your rusted Hi Lift Jack: ua-cam.com/video/diVusl36hqA/v-deo.html
You should test a Maxtrax on it's side with a couple straps around it. Kinda like a buried plow, Lot's of surface area should work well.
That would be interesting to see.
Morelandos just get some TruckClaws and keep on driving
Don't recommend choking a strap! Halves the effective capacity of the strap.
Would this work without having a winch, if instead you put the highlift-jack in between the vehicle and the deadman?
Great recovery system. Always great videos.
Hey Ronny nice video... would like to see a review of the Pull-Pal Winch Ground Anchor... Deadman looks great but in the mud or black soil i could only imagine the mess.
Hi Ronny I’ve heard of a method using a drag chain and pegging it down with a heap of tent pegs supposed to work quite well in all sorts of situations
not in sand
Thanks, awesome vid. I don't know if it is technically right or safe, over here (midd.east) we wrap the strap/rope around the tire and use the tire as an engine driven winch.. ^_^
Thank you for this. I've got a winch installation ordered and the Deadman is already in my van. Your videos are very helpful for someone not a hardcore off roader but someone looking for modest adventure in the pursuit of other goals.
First time I saw Ronny without a hat.
Can't unsee.
The Dead Man Tool is so greatfully..best thing for towing in sand i ever seen! Thanks every time for your very very good Videos Ronny!
Ronny , you should test the Pull Pal !
You put a lot of effort mate… Thank you for the info…!
Damn. . . looks like a deadman kit, a bigger shovel and my least favorite mate are a must for the next serious big of sand driving! I'm guessing you used the tyre as the deadman weight?
Low Ranger 4x4 it only requires the weight of the sand, no extra weights required.
drewsbay even more impressive, cheers mate!
Awesome video... I work with cranes and rigging, we use shackles, what you referred to as a D ring- there's all sorts of different types- but we use them to keep the slings from burning against itself- enough pressure and they'll melt together. Can totally understand why using metal could pose a hundred different hazards in off road applications..
so your bogging down in 2 wheel drive so your bogging down like my wifes Toyota Corolla would bog down not like a proper 4 wheel drive gets bogged down and Toyota Corollas don't have winches.... useless video!
You really need to get out more and see just all the ways you can get "bogged" down with a 4wd...
Great video. I would just get a PulPal. Way easier.
dead man can be used on a boulder, tree and mud. and it folds up i'm sold.
jaymanxxxx a Pull pall can be used in mud, sand, snow and ice. Where I’m from it’s a way better option
Anybody that gets stuck in sand NFT "needs further training" Having said that the deadman looks to be the piece of kit to carry along with maxtracks, maybe try it in the mud. :)
Use the high lift Jack to lift the tires out of the hole and fill the hole to above grade and move to the next tire. Until free.
And yes to removes you unhook 3 of the 4 straps and pull in 1or even two straps an it will come out
Curious. Ive always seen the hilift laid behind the tire with the loop wrapped over it then threaded thru the center hub of the tire. Done right with a trench to drop the tire/jack in and another towards your truck for a straightish pull you shouldnt need to even bury the thing. Saves a lot of time that way. And you dont have to air out the tire to release the strap lol.
was that a fart at 3:00 when you got out of the hole. :P
Hi Ronny, great video as always. When pulling out dead man from a sand you should use only one corner, not two to recover it from sand. They showing it on their channel at the end of one the review. Cheers
Well you could do the same with a big bag
At the cost of 5 $ these days
For the Tire (Tyre) deadman, the loop should be through the middle not on the side.
The tire would lay flat not standing up.
It doesn't have to be so deep.
You buried the Deadman in shoreline wet sand while the other stuff you pulled away from shore. Much like your shearing tow ball video, you always stack the deck to achieve your results!
What about testing pull pal
I'd like to see what the dead man could do in the mud when there are no trees and nobody else around (no other truck/jeep/atv to help you pull). What is the solution in this situation? Thanks
What a beast the Dead Man is, going to buy one. :)
G'day Ronnie, really good demonstration off the different methods of recovery. The deadman is my favorite choice it seems to obviously be the easiest & most effective mate.
I do have a question, if you run your winch cable through a couple of sheave blockes would it increase the pulling power of the winch? As you know by using a block & tackle the lifting power is increased, so I was wondering if the same principle would apply?
Kind Regards, Steve.
Pour a beer out for the high lift boys
It is still in service too
From South Africa, one little detail, for both the Tyre and the Deadman...
I'm 65, digging either of those holes is beyond my ability....
What I've got is a pull-pal....
But, if I was 30, the Deadman would be my choice, due to it being very space and weight efficient.
Unfortunately like the pull-pal, it is not available commercially here.
However, a bulk bag could be easily modified
... first of all - I thought you make men-hole for searching for *Nuggets, or Military shooter, or
beach defenses,
...have a look as German-Soldiers - *Did - in Afrika battles.WW2......w/mil.-vehicles
... very easy... I could explain... but look for yourselves -- and -- learn...
Unbelievable... sooo much time and hard work for recovering like for a tank....
Sorry made from HillBilly
You could try burying a boat anchor next time
now that's a good idea
yeah, but who carries a ford v8 everywhere they go?
I’m not an off roader, but I am a sailor. Seems like an anchor designed to hold a 40’ boat in a blow would work for your truck. Fortress makes a light weight aluminum anchor that can be taken apart for storage. No digging to set it and if you can get a vertical pull on it you might get it out without digging too.
Your stupid tire sound effects almost had me off the couch and screaming at the neighbor kid to "SLOW THE F$$K DOWN!"
sand anchor 4wd
if the tyre was on a 45 ungle so the top side to go against the wall of the hole on the side that vehicle is would work, instead of being completly verticaly. And maybe wet the sand with a few buckets of sea water.
Great vid - small suggestion - when burying your tyre use your tyre lever behind the hole in the wheel to attach your strap to. this way the strap wont damage your tyre.
The best 'sand anchor' comes from marine applications, to start with...look at a Rocna (or modified Delta) anchor...they even make these now with a mid-point folding hinge (for easy storage on your truck or XTV)...you drop them like a plow, use your foot to 'plant them', then hook up and pull...to get them out, just park over top of them, and winch straight up...doesn't get easier...forget the 'expensive toys', get a Delta or Rocna Anchor, and BE DONE!
I cobbled up some earth anchors out of 1" steel bar and 1/2" plate with chains attached. They dig deeper when pulled against instead of up. To remove them you need to pull from the backside. Heavy, bulky, but no digging.
Thanks for posting this guys. In need a sand anchor to move a beached sailboat. Haven't had much luck but this looks VERY likely.
When you shovel the hole you need to make the banking closest to the vehicle as steep as possible and put the Deadman against that banking.
blindabinda123
And dig the slot at right angles for the winch rope...
Physics, boys. Physics. Anyone who knows how a sail works would have realized that a jack would do absolutely nothing. The deadman maximizes cross-sectional area which is why it can minimize weight, but still be effective. It's essentially a dirt sail.
wonder if you could achieve the same by burying a (used) 1 tonne capacity bulk builders' merchant gravel bag...you can get them FOC ...
I wish there were more videos based around sand, since i live in the middle east and sand is pretty much all i got.
Noman .Khan I didn’t know cammels get bogged? 🤔
Very informative. Thanks for posting. Wonder if you could make your videos shorter though?
Save yourself a lot of work , Go to a Boat Shop and purchase a 25 lb. Danforth Anchor . Run your Winch cable out , put the hook in the eye on the shank of the Danforth Anchor , shove the points of the flukes into the sand/dirt and start winching in . The harder you pull on the Anchor Shank , the DEEPER the flukes dig . After your unstuck , drive OVER the Anchor so that the Shank flips over and pulls the flukes back out of the soil . Easy - Peasy , been using one for over 50 years !
Why not attach a snatch block and hook back to the vehicle?
Also lower the tyres pressure?
Dig the vehicle out of the sand as much as possible.
Put the vehicle in the Lowest range of four wheel drive as possible.
The object is to get yourself out , if you are the only one there the less strain or resistance on the vehicle the more you will get yourself out without injury.
EXCELLENT VIDEO.
You could use a cubic meter dumpy bag that the building wholesalers deliver sand in to your house? Cheap alternative, fancy giving it a go Ronny? From Cornwall, UK.
Hi Ronny, a little Swedish in you I can guess. If you will or can put some links where you buy your stuff from hade been great. Thanks for having this show on UA-cam. Learned so much from you, thank's.
After seeing the hi lift bend I don't think I'd trust a matrax with that type of force
Winch or drive; don't do both. This was back in the 80's when we only had wire rope. Might not be relevant these days with fibre rope (although the "bouncing" will put additional stress on other components).
When burring the wheel or the jack you should make a „T“. So the dig in the first bit of the rope to otherwise you just pull it up and not forward. We use a simple 0.5L PET bottle in Switzerland to repell us down on glaciers so you dig it in snow or soft ice. And the most important thing is to make that „T“, I mean your life is hanging on it...
You had me at everyone should have 2 recovery dampeners 🤙 best thing I've heard had a couple of arguments over people think 1 in the middle is sufficient it's definitely not..20 meters apart 10mtrs of air time will drag that dampener with it .. should always use 2
Warn winch's "The Basic Guide to Winching Techniques" has both a stake and log anchor versions in it. Page 11
www.warn.com/corporate/assets/pdf/75013-A2_read.pdf
From USA - keep up the good work
Hi Ronny, could you use the Deadman as a car bra on deep water as well ?
itll doo would make a good sea anchor if you got real deep
Wow cool idea I’ll give it a go
Ronny Dahl
Hey Ronny I was just wondering if you would be able to give me any advice on starting my own channel on youtube. Any advice you could give me would be much appreciated cheers mate.
Michael, be unique, offer something that no one else as done. That's the hard bit.
A DeadmanXX weighs only a few pounds and beats the sh*t out of removing a spare tire to use as a sand anchor. I carry one in my 12,000# Canter FG.
There is two stickers on the back of my Toyota... 4 Wheeling Australia and Deadman Offroad!
When using a Wheel as a sand anchor. Put tree trunk protector through the middle of the wheel then put a block of wood through loop to stop protector pulling through and dig a trench to level out the angle of the pull. SAVE YOUR TYERS
Ronny, I see the problem....... your steering wheel is on the wrong side of the vehicle AND It Is NOT A JEEP :-)
could have put the strap through the holes/spokes in the tire to keep from having it since down on the tire
Great video BTW
Hi Ronny, what I would like to see is what do you use as an anchor point in hard or frozen ground that is hard to dig in. I'm in Arizona USA and have been stuck and had nothing to use as an anchor and digging a hole the size you guys dug on the beach would take most of the day and would require a pick and shovel. I'm thinking some type of stakes in tandem but not a Pull-Pal something smaller more compact and easy to transport and store and if you have something like that where can I get it in the USA. Thanks
I find burying a land whale hitch hiker works best. You can force them to dig their own hole.
Are you not meant to fill some weight into the safety straps? So it actually adds more resistance to the projectile?
I know wind resistance would add some, but I mean, a shovel or two into the bag would be like 100 times more resistance than air would? And it would take an extra 30 seconds?
Nice Vid ! Would love to see it but without using the WINCH, like in those desert videos, they r wrapping the strap around the tyre instead of using a winch.
To remove the ‘deadman’ - Spare tyre with the winch line over the tread, tyre placed as close as possible to the deadman straps. Like like pulling a stump. Work smarter not harder.
Ronny, what brand and model shovel do you use? Looks like it is a cross between square point and round point. Penetrates easy but appears to have larger capacity than most round point shovels...
All you need are truck claws and trac grabber. Those things work amazing.
Unfortunately 4 ft.= 48 inches. I have to convert a lot and I operate a lot in metric myself, going the opposite of you bunch (I live in the States).
People keep saying "boat anchor". Really? You're going to haul around a boat anchor? Geeez!