HUGE REPAIR COSTS | Toyota Landcruiser 200 | Problems, Issues, repairs, service and maintenance cost
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- I wish I was creating a clickbait thumbnail when quoting $18,056.34 in repairs bills and maintenance costs, but I'm not.
This is how much I have spent on my 2014 Toyota Landcruiser 200 series 1VDJ V8 twin turbo diesel in the last 12 months alone.
I will concede that some of the repairs have been as a result of aftermarket modifications and accessories, but a large chunk has not.
In this episode I outline all of the issues and costs involved in rectifying them that I've encountered in the last 12 months.
This video is out there to create awareness and prepare those who are looking to travel, just like I'm doing. It's not all sunshine and rainbows like some content creators make it out to be but on the other hand please don't let information like this discourage you. There is no reality where Teagan and I would ever regret travelling around Australia while our kids are at this age and money is just that, it's money. It comes and it goes...
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MORAL TO THE STORY: Keep everything as stock as possible and work hard at keeping your weight down. And if possible try to do as much maintenance as possible (not easy for some I know). Great video mate. Thanks for the update👍
Adding modifications sure do add another level of complexity, however I will stated that the turbo failure, starter motor failure and leaking intercooler (all the expensive items) were issues without modification. It is disappointing, but it is what it is in the end.
Either way, we are lucky we had some savings and we are back on the road having a trip of lifetime 👍
I'd say the TLDR is don't drive through rivers whenever possible.
Wurthit 1239 100% correct, however such a statement comes only from People with experience gained over many years.
Chrikey must have more dollars then I ever will have, quite happy to run my 4x4 almost stock and regular servicing, all these mods are a nightmare along with redicillus extreme tracks.
Good honest video mate , good to see your just taking it on the chin, I’m certainly not a cruiser fan but am a diesel mechanic of 35 years, and your spot on when you say they all have their faults 👍
Thanks mate, appreciate that 👍 we can’t complain when we are out here quite literally making life long memories.
Fantastic update Nathan, hoping that the rest of the trip doesn't have the same issues. The hiccups along the way soon fade for the wonderful memories created. Cheers 🍺
Thanks mate, appreciate that! We are having an absolute blast out here and the problems have almost disappeared completely already! Positive always trumps the negatives 👍
Better to do your own maintenance. Not only save thousands, you know the work has been done, especially brake checks.
$18k buys everything you've replaced & the tools to do the jobs required yourself.
My old Cruiser has just passed 1.7 million k's. Imagine the costs if I'd let others have at it?
Very informative video! 👍
Can’t carry lots of tools on the road though, space runs out quick, weight adds up quick. Sounds like the starter motor replacement needed a workshop rather than a campsite or caravan park. There’s only so much you can do when travelling…
@@FarqueKnowsWhere Maybe so, as far as carrying all tools is concerned.
Most jobs use the same tools, with a only a few required. The non critical (fail to proceed type) can sometimes wait.
Yeah, for sure. Much to be saved from your own work. As mentioned here though, much thought to do it on the road.
Things like turbos and starters really need a shop and machining the front rotors would be impossible as you could carry them there.
But I hear what you are saying, we pay for the benefit to enjoy our time on the road 👍
@@XploringOz As they say, convenience costs. Due to my line/s of work, I find myself in some "interesting" situations from time to time, having to repair things on the fly. Having access to machining equipment is difficult at times, having to nurse things to wherever they are at. Thankfully, not for my vehicle!
My Mrs gave up complaining about my trashed shirts & shorts years ago. It took a while for her to get it.
"Bean counters"! 🤣
@@KevinD_33x150 unless people have done or are doing The Lap or extended travelling, don’t know what they’re talking about on R&M and servicing on the go. There’s no shed, no tool cabinet, no bench, most times no concrete, or mates to come round and give ya a hand or there’s several days wait for a tradie. Waiting for things to fail is not how you do extended travelling especially if there’s remote or harsh conditions..
Mate you have a great attitude. I'd be curled up in the corner of that happened to me.
Thanks for the real life problems that travellers go through.
Keen up the great work
Haha 😆 some curling was done at certain times.
But it is what it is, how can we complain when we are out here enjoying our best lives 👍
Bugger regarding the issues. Definately a great way to look at it. The quality family time is priceless. But what a great and informative video. You do a great job in balancing tech info and laymen's terms with these style vids. Helps those with or about to purchase 200 series vdj, armed with more knowledge.
These things are bullet proof standard, once the mods start your reliant on good workmanship and when you use it the way you do, your bound to run into issues regardless of brand. Glad you have a good attitude about it.
Yeah man, I agree there. The turbos have been the most fustrating and expensive repair so far, but like you said, I don't use it to drive to Coles.
Turbo's and dusting issues are unfortunately far too common more so on a stock VDJ than those fitted with a quality aftermarket airbox. Nathan has worked much harder than most to mitigate these issues but unfortunately once the damage is done it is only a matter of time before they fail sadly.
So mainly maintenance issues on an almost 10yr old vehicle that has done a heap of off road work,and now tows a heavy van most of the time.Lucky you are not driving some of the other brands.Have a good time,and keep up the great vids.
Yeah, it’s all part of the experience and privilege of travelling this awesome country 👍
Yeah, some others would have caused many many more issues
Wow!
I run a petrol 200 series and tow a 3.2 tonne boat extensively, quite regularly from Vic to SA, which includes many significant hills. I’ve done nothing to my cruiser except regular servicing including the auto. I just question some of these mods compared to factory.
I enjoyed your candid video on the costs and wish you happier travels in the future.
I really like 200's but my non turbo slow 105 cruiser has had a similar life to yours and it just keeps going without issue. Good on you for sharing.
For sure, I had a 105 series a couple of years ago and it was great. I mean the reliability was king, but there's no comparing many of the features between the two vehicles.
They are designed for slightly different purposes!
I do miss my 105 though 😢 Sold it before COVID too, at way to cheap...
Thank you for a refreshingly honest and complete story, as per usual. Very useful.
Thanks mate, appreciate that 👍
Still don't understand why people continue to do deep water crossing"s without tarp over the front. The time it takes to fit and the benefits of not flooding the engine bay is huge hot alternator hot starter hot idler pulleys all suck water in not only that but the benefits of not drowning all electrical connections especially in high humidity areas. Just make up a canvas tarp that clips onto top radiator support after lifting the bonnet and tuck it down behind the bullbar. Cheers mate love your topics.
Absolutely mate, I hear you. To be honest, we didn't have them on this particular trip when we did that crossing. I bought one as soon as I returned last year and it's still in the vehicle in the rare case I have to do something like that again 👍
Holy Shit mate! 3.6 tonnes down the Waterfall Way, man you have some big stones. Mate I feel your pain with extra expenses other than servicing I own a Land Rover Discovery 4 but I wouldn’t want anything else as nothing else compares with the ride comfort and out of the showroom capability. Good luck with the rest of your adventure.
Yeah man, our combination is 6.8t, so this was a little nerve-racking 😬
Hopefully we are done with the big ticket items for a little while now 🤞
Awesome man, glad you are happy with your setup, I love how everyone is different and the market can provide us all with the right option for our own personal use and preference 👍
The old "King of the Road" hey? 😳
Sounds like you have had a tough run Nathan, but glad to hear you're philosophical about it. All vehicles have their issues and I find it silly when people can't be open and honest about it like you have been because of brand loyalty or fear of being mocked.
As you say, it is only money and the time spent making memories with your family is the most in valuable! Enjoy the rest of your travels. 👍
Wow I've had a 200 series since 2012 it spends its life in the bush for my work and I have never replaced a part. Maybe it's all the aftermarket stuff causing the problems
No doubt that would be some of the reason, but things like dusted turbos are unlikely to be as a result of my doing.
Glad to hear some positive experiences though 👍
You tow a heavy van, do over bonnet water crossings etc like Nathan too? Having the time of your life…
This confirms what I've held about my 80 series....it will always be less expensive to upkeep over a new vehicle. Especially when you throw in the cost of the new rig itself.
wow, thats incredible....... Great honest vid mate.
Thanks mate, appreciate that 👍
Love your channel, love my 200 LC, after owning a troopy for many years and now my 200 I am not put off but appreciate your report and honesty, thank you.
Awesome thanks mate 👍
This is still genuinely the best vehicle I’ve ever owned and don’t want to have to part with it anytime soon
Glad to see the comments here are so supportive. I appreciate your honesty and found this video very interesting. I own a 2008 2uzfe and love it however, I love learning about what can go wrong with most things Toyota. To be fair, it seems as if your cruiser does more than just your average weekend away which is awesome to see. I'm curious, what were you thinking of upgrading to? and why did you stick with your current 200? Great video, thank you!
Best,
Sam.
Thanks mate, I uploaded this to help others and it seems to have done this somewhat 👍
We looked at a couple of options, Ram's and Patrols however the cruiser really is one of the best options. Its a manufacturer that everyone stocks parts for and a wheelbase that is perfect for a multitude of terrains 👍
Exactly part of the reason I chose mine! Have fun!@@XploringOz
You are absolutely correct money comes and goes but time with your family is priceless. Enjoy your travels,and a bit more info on the van would be fantastic as the wife and I have ordered one, due for delivery 2024 cheers 🥂
Cheers mate 👍 this trip is literally priceless.
Camper vids are coming 2 vids complete and a 3rd underway with full walk around details. Hopefully to be release in early June in quick succession 👍
Thankyou can’t wait
So glad you pointed out you use your car as a boat as well. Everyone knows boats are money pits and no doubt this is where the expensive came from.
Looking forward to doing something similar. Really enjoying this round Aus series.
😆 this is true.
Thanks mate 🙏
Very good review. I owned a new 40th anniversary and it was worked very hard as a tow vehicle but never off road. Superb quality. My 2014 Colorado also new but I use it as a tow vehicle and completely reliable. But and this is the huge difference I don't use my vehicles for the extreme adventure your 200 has been used for. I think my Colorado's reliance on electronics would result in failure pretty quickly. I don't think the seals would stand up to immersion. It is one of the Big pluses of a 1960s Landrover or cruiser they are really simple and robust. And easy to change all fluids after immersion. But of course they cannot tow a load like a 200. And old school is very inefficient and expensive on fuel.
@@rosewood1 Thanks mate, appreciate that. Yes, everything has a compromise to some extent, us the end we are fortunate to be doing what we are and have the option to hit the harder tracks when we can 👍
I still love this vehicle nonetheless
Its a car not a submarine. No wonder you've had so many issues..
OMG ! Dealers know how to gouge car owners. My Prado is almost 20 years old, i spent very little on it. But I just use it as a daily run-about. I would never take my Prado to a Toyota dealer, find someone you trust. OR .. OR .. do the work yourself ! save $$$$$
To be honest, the dealer prices were competitive with outside service agents, but yes, when we are back at home some maintenance tasks can be completed by me to save some coin 👍
I’m currently doing a lap as well and had to get my timing belt replaced in Perth. I was pleasantly surprised to find that City Toyota were the cheapest and could fit it in much quicker than the ‘reputable’ shops.
@@tbmich1976 Yeah, I can share your experience there 👍
Thanks for sharing your experiences Nathan. You are doing a great service by sharing where things can go wrong. It will definitely help other cruiser owners like myself to learn from it. I definitely appreciated your video. Cheers and goodluck to no more issues with cruiser. Looking forward to more videos of your adventures!
Awesome, that great to hear mate, I'm glad it can help and others can try and avoid issues like this.
Here's hoping that the worst is behind us now 🤞
My mate had lot same issues with his cruiser he sold it and bought a v8 petrol patrol and has never had a problem and it uses less fuel when towing his caravan and way cheaper to service
Yeah, there's a reason they are becoming so popular these days. They are a great vehicle, but nothing is perfect. 👍
Water over the bonnet means definitely above wading depth limits. Snorkel only helps with air intake but doesn’t change the wading depth limit and the potential damage to other parts of the vehicle.
Of course, I'm not denying I've have taken this cruiser through some challenging terrain, but it's not out of the question for a lot of true overlanders. These are definitely things to be aware of
I gasped a little when I saw those water crossing clips! I’m super cautious of river crossings in Africa.
I'm leaning towards a petrol yank tank these days, 4.5t towing and no EGR and DPF issues to deal with, rather just pay for the extra fuel and have minimal issues.
Yeah, they have their towing benefits, but you do still need to consider their GVM for the mid size variants. The RAM 1500, F150 Chevy 1500 all have similar GVM weights as the cruiser which can cause issues. The larger 2500 models or full size Utes are seriously expensive...
They have their benefits don't get me wrong, but I love the LC200 and the
short wheelbase 4WD's for the tracks .
Glad you kept the rig mate. Best car I have ever owned, sounds like you just run into some bad luck . I have the original al 2007 with 300kms purs like new and never misses a beat . Here’s to some smooth cruising for many a kms for you 🍻
So am I mate 👍 Absolutely love this vehicle! Here's hoping we've seen the worst of it now 🤞
They are not boats
Don’t use them like they are
Even boats keep the starter motor dry !!!
Haha, I agree 😆
@@XploringOz
If you had on board air...
would it be possible to lightly pressurize the starter motor casing to stop water ingress?
@@JohnSmith-yv6eq Not something I have heard of being done, or something that I have considered, but the other part of the issue is, is that water sits in the V of the engine and as it evaporates, to create moisture on the contacts which results in corrosion, so I'm not sure a sealed unit would be of much help there
You've got me reconsidering whether I should upgrade from a 1HDFTE 100 series to a 200 or 300 series. 🤔
So far on our lap it's been faultless, touch wood. Great video as always!
I’d stick with what you have..
Thats the only decent engine toyota has ever made, the rest are hot garbage in comparison
Hey mate, I know the 200's are really nice vehicles but I'd too stick with what you have if its still working for you and your needs 👍
Yeah Upgrade for sure....Sell your 100 series to me...please
@@giterdunpete Haha 😆
Yikes. But, you think Eastern AU has hills? We are towing in NZ - real hills - very hard on brakes and transmission. Good luck with the rest of your trip.
Yup, Australian hills are nothing compared to them hills in NZ! Cheers from across the pond!
Haha, I have been over there a couple of times and I understand! We have it good here in Aus, but WA makes a pool table surface look rough 😆
Thanks for the watch mate 👍
I recommend you look for a 80series triple lock 1hd kit it up enjoy the outdoors if u love the 200 seats have them installed in ur 80.
Would be a great option if I had a spare I don't know, say $18k 😆
U r invited to the largest preseved inland delta to continue making life long memories .
I have to say I like your honesty. As a mechanic in the trade I agree 100% that all vehicles have their issues. As a previous owner of a LC200 they certainly aren’t the so called unbreakable vehicle the die hards make them out to be. Since the 200 I’ve owned a Y62 and now a LC300. They all need maintenance and at the end of the day it just comes down to the luck of the draw and of course what and how they are used. Yours is one that has certainly be used for its intended purpose. Enjoy your travels and be safe.
Thanks mate, I appreciate that comment 👍
I certainly have used this for it’s purpose and I’m happy with the overall performance. I love this vehicle and good to not have to part with it anytime soon 🤞
I hope you guys also experience trouble free travelling.
@@XploringOz Thanks also. We recently returned back home to Vic from WA with no issues. I feel for you guys when it comes to mechanical repairs. Being a mechanic and doing the work myself makes a big difference. I also leave my vehicles bone stock which I believe assists reliability. All electrical wiring for towing and camping is also completed by me so in the event of a problem I know where and how everything was put together. Cheers and looking forward to your next update!
@@richard4136 Yeah, that's the way to do it mate. I wish I had your knowledge and more important, your skills. The fact that you know your vehicle inside and out is priceless 👍
Good vid lad.
Something I seem to hear around the places are strange issues when you tune Toyota autos. The 200 is just not a tough or bush proof as a 100-105 but yes they are way nicer.
Cheers mate, don't get me wrong, still a very capable vehicle but I would agree, not as reliable as my old 105 series, that's for sure. But very different vehicle.
What are key differences for you between the 105 and the 209?
Good balanced content. I totally agree with your statement that a lot of the problems are aftermarket. The more you modify a car to "improve" it, the greater the scope for failure. That said, you've got a brilliant touring rig that is now sorted! Enjoy...👍
Cheers mate. Absolutely you are right, although I would add a stock cruiser would struggle in certain scenarios I expose my vehicle too. This being said, I’ve taken that into consideration and budget when modifying 👍
Love your videos bro, hope everything will go smooth to u and your family from now on cheer..
Thanks man, appreciate that 👍 Here's hoping 🤞
I have a 2018 hilux lately notice the engine was rattling on cold start do some research most people say it a timing chain problem just wondering do u know how much it will cost to repair thanks
@@TriNguyen-qq5ul Hey mate, can't say that I'm overly familiar with those engines, but sometimes cold rattles can also point to injectors. Could be worth having a look at these on a diagnostic tool too 👍
Just had it checked over it something related to the timing chain problem with the n80 hilux it really common issue
@@TriNguyen-qq5ul I'm glad you have it examined, to so glad its a problem though. Here's hoping its an easy fix
Mmm.
I also have a 200 cruiser hauling 3.5t around Australia and I have had no problems.
It seems to me that you have way to many add ons and mods. Way too many complications that are not of Toyota origin.
The old principle always applies, KISS, Keep it Simple Silly. It applies to boats especially, but also to your cruiser.
Yeah, it’s all a compromise and something that was consider when modifying the vehicle.
I’m not complaining and still love this vehicle, but it’s good for others to see the other side of these mods
Mate its sounds like land-cruiser 200 are a heap of shit who would want to own 1 mate I like ya video but Land Cruiser are money nightmare 🙉
List of issues and repair costs is painful. I can only imagine how hard it would have been to find someone to do the repairs. I have traveled from Sydney to Gibb River Road and returned via Karijini and WA coast line. Hard to find anyone including dealers to look into any issues, they want easy money like oil change. When you have consecutive booking it becomes hard to stay longer in one place awaiting repairs. Mine is Nissan Y62 and most issues are with locally made accessories and not the car itself.
Great video !
Thanks mate 🙏
It proves that the vehicle is quite strong. The failures you experienced are primarily due to heavy modification you have done and punishment you are giving it. Greater chunk of the costs seems point towards upgrade failures. Cv joints, brakes rotors, diffs, transmission will mean you have to upgrade to match increased weight.
The vehicle is incredibly strong, however turbos, starter motors and brake rotors (rears only) indicate other problems than that caused from my mods. The rear brakes had an issue, whether it be debris caught up within or not checked properly last service, but turbos and starters haven't been modified and shouldn't be failing.
Man you got shafted the whole way. These are an easy car to work on (even replacing the starter motor). Grab yourself a tool kit and you’ll be able to do most of the work yourself. Cut those servicing costs to less than $100.
Sorry to hear mate.
Good update, and an honest one at that. Pleased to see your keeping the vehicle. I was originally looking at a 200 series but ended up buying a 2005 GU Patrol factory TD42, for its simplicity, reliability and ease of repairs. Had it coming up two years now and it’s only ever seen a mechanic for a road worthy since buying. I’m lucky that I have time to maintain it myself and also learn how stuff works / goes together. Hope your trip is going well and the cruiser gives you no more grief.
Thanks mate, appreciate it 👍
Yes the mighty TD42 is a great option and great to hear it’s working out for you 👍
Might be time to look at servicing the 200 myself upon return back home
Thats always been my plan precovd. Have a gq td42 but burns a bit of oil.
May I ask how much you spent? Gu td42ti would be fantastic but not keen on spending over 40k
Gotta love the gu patrols. I now have a y62 with the fruit, and it's been a great truck so far. However, I really miss my GU! That truck took me everywhere and was easy to maintain. The simple things are often the best, especially out in the bush 😊
Someone had to do this; too many similar stories remain untold and the fanboys believe their own fairy tales. Great to find an honest owner.
With only 155kW and 450Nm, why is it even called mighty? That really is 4 cyl Hilux / D Max territory. And the Isuzu 4jj3 engine will last at least half a million clicks. So, this 4.5V8 seems a bit too much for too little. Toyota factory fitted Mercedes-Benz engines to Landcruisers; different engine types incl the Unimog OM314 4 cyl. But on the 300, Toyota opted for petrol and Diesel Mazda V6 engines.
I bet you’re glad you spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on a Toyota landcruiser now or what? Far out these larger 4wd’s are just a joke now ay! That sucks so much mate!
Yeah, but considering what I've done to and with this vehicle, is all in perspective. I don't know what other option that would have performed significantly better given the same treatment.
Here's hoping the worst is over with 🤞
@@XploringOz yeah mate not disagreeing with you there! You definitely have put your vehicle through hell so it’s a miracle it’s still in one piece really lol. Anyways enjoy your content as always mate! Take care
@@Holodomor4.0 Haha, we are lucky it is still together.... mostly 😆
Thanks mate, appreciate that 🙏
Hi Nathan, quick couple of questions, how many kilometres have you done and what year is your 200? I fitted a moonlight engineering stainless to my 200 from day one after watching one of your earlier posts and mentioning their product. Have you upgraded your air-box? Sorry mate but I don't always get the opportunity to watch every post, life gets in the way 😉
Hey mate, so this is a 2014 model with 165000 kms on the odo.
Yes, the airbox has always been on the list to change and a few months ago we swapped this out for the new Donaldson XLC200K unit which has been performing very well 👍
Over $1700 for a starter motor??? I have never spent more than $300 for a Bosch starter motor? & $400 discrepancy for a major service???
Did you harvest one of Tegan's kidneys?
Haha, yes it’s about $580-600 ish for the motor and then the rest is taking the top of the engine apart to access and swap it over 🤦♂️ what a stupid mounting location!
PS, Teagan’s kidneys were not harmed to supply cruiser parts…. At least not yet 😆
Ouch some of those prices make ones eyes water.. but memories are priceless. Personally with my LC 200 no deep water crossings ,I have see many modern 4wd with electronics destroyed in Nolans brook & other crossing on th cape . The problems on friends LC electronics keep occurring for years due to corrosion on plugs terminals ECU etc. We did all those crossings on the cape in simple old Hiluxs and old Landrovers no electronics, water flows in and out few issues. I haven't touched my LC transmission just tow in 4 or 5 on occasions but van is 2.5 ton max. Enjoying your content safe travels.
They sure are scary figures ! But worth it at the end.
Yeah, electronics are a weak point but unfortunately also a common part in all modern day 4WD’s.
The cruiser will be around for longer to provide many more adventures to come 👍
I hope you had had the compression tested prior to the turbo's Nathan. Often overlooked but 100% critical. You know our thoughts on VDJ dusting issues.
I think your right,I can see another video coming soon about low compression on few cylinders from dusting issues
Bet the fix for the low rpm load issue was a relief given the costs I've seen bandied around for a replacement dusted motor.
I watch a few of these channels and I often wonder how people actually fund the initial purchase costs for all of the hardware and mods in the first place
I don't know if you bought the vehicle new but the capital costs for all of it would have to be pushing 250+k, or more, I would have thought which, unless you're earning very very good money or won lotto, is quite a bit to have to find on top of house payments, schooling and all of the other costs in life.
Having experiences is great but I'm finding that retiring before 60 and never having to work again is one of the best things going and not something I could have done if we'd done something like this.
Each to their own of course.
Absolutely mate, it was a huge relief.
This is an interesting one and something that I’m quite passionate about. I’ve seen a lot of things in my short 30 year old life, more than 95% of my generation would see in a lifetime and one thing I’ve learnt and value heavy is life is short. No one knows what is around the corner and how their life can end or change significantly in a unexpected and unplanned incident.
I’ve seen lives turned upside down, by illness, injury and accident. I’ve seen more death than most people ever do and just how that effects everyone in a small family or community.
For this reason I’ve invested heavily in the now when Teagan and I are healthy, our kids are young and we can able.
I hope that I will make it to 60,70 or 80 years old, but in the meantime I’m doing everything I can to enjoy the now.
Don’t get me wrong, teagan and I have worked hard, very hard and what we have we own. We don’t pay loans or have debts and we live a lifestyle that allows us to have a whole year off every 5 years.
Can we retire at 60, who knows, but by then we would have already had 6 years not working and enjoying happy, healthy and physically able lives experiencing numerous adventures.
As you said though, each to their own 👍
@@XploringOz Thanks for the reply and wow.
Sounds like you have it well sorted and I've sometimes wondered what you do.
I've also seen the other side of it where people have lived large all of their lives and get to later middle age with no hope of being able to retire or make choices due to how they lived earlier.
I suspect that won't be the case for you guys though.
As with most things balance is the key and taking a holistic view of it all.
Cheers.
@@oldbloke204 Thanks mate, I appreciate the respectful replies. I definitely don't know it all, or pretend to have it 'sorted' but I try to make the most of every situation and I'm sure this will be a trip of a lifetime for our kids to look back upon 👍
Myself and a couple of mates all have 200 series cruisers.
They are set up for towing so gvm upgrades ect.
We all have the air cleaner upgrade now because of you.
We all have the lockup kits(richards).
Hope your not upset but we all refer to you as the guy who's always stuffing around with his car.
Im sure you cant drive without listening for something to go wrong.
Seems it was those water crossings that have led to your issues.
Hope it was worth it.
Re electrical issues.
Simple is better.
Seems you've created your own monster.
Reasonably stock cruisers with a few mods seems to be the way to go
And a lot less stressful.
Cheers and happy travels
Paul
Wow, that's a lot of stuff gone wrong! Hopefully you don't have much more go wrong, although sadly I feel that this is possibly just the beginning of you mechanical problem list... you've got much tougher terrain ahead.
Like you say, stuff just wears out or breaks sooner when you're using you vehicle in those extreme conditions, also it was never really designed to be that heavily loaded and towing a stupid 3t caravan at the same time. Lol.
But, unfortunately the 200 series isn't a "great" vehicle for keeping service costs to a minimum. Parts are more likely to fail due to the extra complexities of its design, also, repairs are far more difficult when away on big trips.
Older vehicles are better, such as the LC 100series with 1hd-fte, far less issues and far easier to repair.
At least you're out there giving a full on go! And not afraid to break stuff at the expense of fun experiences. Too many people are soft and afraid of damaging their "precious" 200series! Glad you're not!
I agree with you there mate 👍
We are heading into some testing conditions, so I'm really hoping the worst is behind us 🤞
Although it wasn't necessarily designed for this, it has performed well given the circumstances.
the 200's are really nice vehicles, but they do have compromises in terms of their reliability and maintenance costs.
Cheers mate 👍
Sorry to hear about your problems Nathan but don`t let it get you down enjoy your time on the road mate. Better to do your own maintenance which I do while on the road will save you heaps of money and you really get to know your vehicle as you say it does not take long for the services to come along.I change my oil usually at 5000k or 7000k depending where I am oil is cheap engines are not and I only use genuine filters and I do carry parts with me. I must admit I don`t modify the tranny or the motor just to keep it reliable which my GX 200 has been so far. I tow a 3.2 tonne caravan and I find the motor has plenty of power for what I want to do.
It's probably some good advice mate and something that I've always put off and had someone else do , it might be time to look into this.
Hopefully you don't suffer anything like this, but I sure you won't 👍
Hey mate, I'm just wondering how many kms do you have on the 200?
I had the passenger side turbo on my 200 fail at 147,000kms. The car had a 5 year warranty 150,000km but was already 5.5 years old and Toyota wouldn't cover it at all even though they knew about the turbo dusting problems they are having.
Good luck with your trip and fingers crossed you've sorted all the problems out now.
Hey mate, so this is a 2014 with 165000, so sounds very similar to your situation.
Sorry to hear that it wasn’t covered, it’s not good enough by Toyota.
Here’s hoping the worst is over for me now 🤞
Hi Troops, I would have pushed it with Toyota. 5 months out of warranty is crap. Under Australian consumer law a product must be fit for purpose. I would suggest a 200 series cost you heaps of cash and you would reasonably expect an unbreakable Toyota turbo to last longer. Cost vs product. 2 dollar pen lasts 4 months ok. 200 series new 90 to130 $ a turbo which is not a normal wear item like brake pads, tyres, belts etc. The motor and all the parts associated with it should do a couple of hundred thousand kays minimum. Toyota are bastards in this regard read DPF on 2.8 Hiluxes, Prados etc. They are being fined millions and class action lawsuits are going after them for hundreds of millions. Next time this happens tell whoever for whatever you buy you goods must be fit for purpose. 155kay for a turbo is not fit for purpose.
Wow, definitely never traveling with you... ;-)
Haha 😆 Yeah, probably not ideal to follow me down some 4WD tracks lol
I would agree, you are pushing it hard plus towing a heavy van with mods from stock. If what it gives though is joy then as long as you aren’t spending the next 5 years paying off debt, then it is money well spent. Enjoy the travels!
I agree with you there mate, I'm happy with how its performed considering what I put it through 👍
Hope you have a Fantastic trip....in a few yrs you will remember it well and forgotten all about the money....Memories forever money to make them happen
Thanks mate, appreciate that 🙏
I agree with you there! The positive will sure outweigh the negatives
Love your videos, info and honesty is fantastic!
How do you find accessing the rear while the stone stomper is attached??
Thanks mate, appreciate it 👍
Yeah, the stone stomper is, well I guess you call it inconvenient, but I wouldn’t go without it.
Generally I’ll just unclip 2-3 clips and lay it down to access from the passenger side (swing away covers the drivers)
Just have to remember to do them back up again
So many of your electrical problems seem connected to where you have been with your car going through water and mods done to the car have also failed. I have a trans lock that I operate manually but would never have a trans tune because of how they affect many aspects of how the car runs particularly holding gears and overheating the turbos. It is designed to kick back to evacuate heat from the turbos when under load. I see on FB there is a constant stream of posts where engine and trans tunes give out codes and if travelling which we do towing 3.5 ton keeping them close to stock is more reliable.
For sure, with the old electrical system it was quite susceptible to element damage, however the repairs and re-engineering has eliminated this from reoccurring.
Yes, the trans tune will need to be addressed in the future, but there are still both pros and cons with it 👍
It is always a shock when you do your sums! Thanks for the insight. I might look at an updated transmission cooler if/when I get a R4T. I like your outlook on life, money and travels.
Thanks mate, appreciate that.
It sure does add up, but I dare say most don’t have the number or severity of issues I’ve experienced.
The cooler would be a good option as a helping hand for sure 👍
For what it is worth, nearly half was because of the dusting of the turbos. That is Toyota’s fault and the fact that they essentially use the same flawed air cleaner system on all of their 4wds is terrible. But fix that issue by replacing the air cleaner system, most everything else falls into the categories or regular maintainence and wear related repairs, or after market accessories giving problems. All up, not too bad given the job the car is doing. I realise that doesn’t make paying for the repairs all in one year feel any better.
I will be putting the Donaldson powercore filter on mine before the next trip into the outback though.
I agree, the vehicle has performed well given what I have put it through really.
I too have already fitted the Donaldon XLC200K unit and very happy with its performance 👍
Well said
Great video mate!
Thanks mate 👍
My 2021 Prado hasn't missed a beat in the first 35,000k. Then again, it hasn't had anything like the flogging your 200 series has been through. Mine won't get anywhere near the depth of water or the thickness of mud you have been in. We have fixed price Toyota dealer servicing at $260 each 6 months. Agreed for 5 years with warranty. An additional 2 years warranty if we meet the targets. No engine or electrical mods. Stock plus roof racks and tow kit. Van is 2600kg. Fingers crossed we get around the country without your drama mate. Bugger. Best wishes for a cheaper few months ahead.
That's good news mate 👍 I reckon you'll be absolutely fine with that vehicle. Just don't follow me off-road 😆
Great balanced content. Fact is that go put ANY other brand of the same age with the same kms on the clock through the exact same driving conditions and see if thát brand can beat TOYOTA reliability, irrespective.
Thanks mate. I agree with you there. It's held up well considering the abuse I've put it through 👍
I don't feel that bad now I hung onto my Disco 2 V8. Your honesty is most appreciated and I agree with you that you have put your vehicle through some very tough and challenging environments. Personally, I avoid that which I learned from driving land rovers in the Army. Why go looking for it. If that's your thing then you will pay $$$ for it in the end. Fortunately for me, I can perform a lot of the necessary servicing of my Disco 2 myself but due to the Ace system, anything to do with that has to go in. Good luck on your travels and thanks for a meaningful video.
Cheers mate, appreciate your comment 👍
Everyone is a little different and I don’t try to come across disappointed, just want to make others aware of costs in these types of applications.
I love this vehicle and no doubt it will feature on the channel for many more years to come 👍
Hi Nathan,
23:30 pm in Spain…
Nice vid mate!
Very well received your message.
Enjoy your trip with the family
Cheers
Hey Holger 👋
Cheers mate, expensive hobby 🤦♂️
I hope you are keeping well and thanks for watching so late in Spain.
Cheers, Nathan.
Going to review the DPU intercooler?
Be good to see before and after testing
It sure will be interesting to see what, if any difference is detected 👍
I’ve done all repairs on my 100 series at home in my driveway and my total cost ( I keep a spreadsheet ) after all maintenance over 4 years is $4700 You can save a lot of money doing it yourself.
For sure, but when you are on the road, you don't exactly have a driveway. I know it's possible, but on the road I pay for the privilege and convenience to have my vehicle serviced 👍
Bloody ripper, I totally agree Nathan, however I'm sure my missus would bleat about endlessly. I have been thinking about adding the oil cooler you talked of but was wondering if you had noticed any impact on the cooling to the radiator due to having additional obstruction in front of it? Great video and well done for staying the course.
Thanks mate, appreciate that 👍
I haven't noticed any deviance in the coolant temps, however it has definitely made a positive change to the trans temps. I would have definitely fitted one earlier given my time over.
Thanks again mate 👍
Keep everything factory stocked man all add ons wreck the equipment.
Maybe, but the turbos, brakes and intercoolers weren't modified and should have lasted a lot longer.
Good stuff...I like your shirt too.
Thanks for your honesty. My learning from your info is to travel light and stash some cash for the unexpected. But, I’m not the sort of fella who can afford to take risks on deep wading and rock crawling. For me, with adult kids, I’m happy with my tent or check into a cabin, motel etc
Thanks mate, I’m glad this helped somewhat. Absolutely I understand. Travelling full time turns the cruiser into a home, rather than just a short trip warrior!
Something I’m still learning 😆
Was that big water crossing worth it?probably cost 10k starter motor and a couple of turbos. I bet more to come, idler pulleys and an alternator will be next.Geez id bail on that with a 100k replacement especially on a lap trip of a lifetime. For me on long trips, i really try to minimise risk. Maybe buy blow up boat and play on that in the water. Credit to you for taking it on the chin. I try to do everything on my car myself, not because im cheap (disco and kedron ), but i want to know i have most tools i need if we get stuck. I aslo carry a full service kit minus the oil in the rear panels of the wagon. Food for thought, youre a smart bloke probabably need a push. :)
Ill never touch another commonrail again, petrol all the way
They sure do have their advantages 👍
Looove to see ya petrol with water over the bonnet
Wow in for a penny in for a pound now, no turning back
I sold mine after the starter motor went so glad I did now
Yeah, its now a family heirloom 😆 We are committed now, but luckily I still love this vehicle 👍
That's the problem with modern touring setups, they have so much stuffed into them they are essentially mobile houses that bounce around as though they're built on a fault line, so you can expect house style maintenance costs
Toyota LC200, 2015 model: yearly maintenance 500-850 USD (Toyota dealer). Replaced tires, front brake disks (1x), shock absorbers (OME, 1x), battery (2x). 60-70% on-road, 30-40% off-road (sand and rock terrain in arid climate with up to 50°C, no deep fording). The most reliable vehicle I've ever had. Experiences differ, obviously. I will not switch to the LC300 - too expensive, too many electronics, has morphed too far towards a luxury SUV.
I own a 200 Cruiser, 200,000km, largely stock standard and I tow a 3300kg caravan.
There have been no major issues, in fact really no issues at all.
Modify and fiddle at your peril !
So glad I never chose a 200 series. Mates have spent far too much money repairing them. 3.3 tonne is also just far too heavy to tow with a 200 series regardless of the GVM upgrade..still using the same old transmission, brakes, diff, etc.etc. I,ll never understand the need to lug mcmansions around.
I mean, everything out there has a limit. It wouldn't really matter what vehicle you choose, nothings perfect.
Each to their own I guess 🤷♂️
Wheel bearings next, then water pump and belts.
Ahh, there's alway something with any make and model 👍
Appreciate the honesty. No car is perfect, but few say it how it is. Considering how you use your car, think it's holding up well. And no, I'm not a Toyota man.
Hey mate, appreciate the respectful reply. I agree, considering how I've treated this vehicle is has performed well 💪
Surprised a vehicle designed for wading, needs a new starter after doing that.
Turbos failing very poor too.
Eye opening vid, especially for Cruiser fans.
For sure, there are some design flaws there, however as an overall package they are still a great vehicle, particularly with how I drive it.
I hope it can help others though 👍
Good to be honest and realistic with yourself and YT followers. But you know what, just smile and wave and enjoy the country 😊 (wallet permitting)
Your comments onwards from 13:55 are spot on as well. We're just about to hit the east coast for 8 weeks as a young family and as much as I know there'll be hiccups, it's the memories and experiences that are more valuable. Cheers 🍻
Cheers mate, here's hoping that others don't experience the number and severity of issues I've had 🤦♂️
Awesome mate, I hope you and the family have an awesome trip, I'm sure you will 👍
Intersting. My first thought was how many kays and age on the cruiser, obviously out of warranty ?
Yeah mate, we’ll and truely out of warranty. 2014 with 165000kms
@@XploringOz I'm guessing you'd agree the turbos is the worst part, at that price and given it's far from warranty you'd be better off with A/M turbos would be my thinking? The vehicle itself has slightly less than average k's. Brakes is to be expected and some maintenence in every car gets overlooked from time to time that's why we need careful and meticilious mechanics, many get a bit careless. Happy adventures mate.
@@livingadamman7994 For sure, the turbo's were the biggest hit and not really something that I've caused through my method of driving or modifications.
I thought about AM, but I was extremely time restricted and needed to get back on the road, unfortunately.
Thanks mate 👍
It’s pretty much all self inflicted, nothing at all to do with Toyota reliability 🤦♂️
Not really mate, dust turbos from a poor airbox had nothing to do with mod's I made and is a widely known issue. That made up a huge chunk of this cost...
👍👍. How many km’s on the rig? How many km’s before the first set of cv’s were changed? Have done a rig review? That $19k is on top of the mods u guys have done on the lc200. Now couple of well. Stupid questions. Have u extended your breathers? So u don’t get water in your transmission again.. do u still run factory air box ? Do u run a snorkel sock ?
Hey mate, this is a 2014 with 165,000 kms.
The first drivers CV was changed at about 120,000 and this was damaged caused by a 4WD'ing obstacle at my local park.
We haven't extended the breathers yet, but it's on the list but saying that I'm hoping not to traverse crossing like that again.
Now running the Donaldson airbox XLC200K 👍
Run down here - ua-cam.com/video/4BJOJZ_TE3U/v-deo.html
@@XploringOz. Cheers. Just check how high the all are at the moment tho. U just don’t need the expense of replacing those items. Especially that transmission.. I hope they did a flush before they just put new filter and transmission oil straight in.? I think they are rather low.
@@holden3083 Yeah, full flush was done as part of the service, so here's hoping that the worst of the issues sorted for now 🤞
@@XploringOz cheers. Enjoy. 👍
Another informative, honest and enlightening video....well done and thanks again Nathan.
Thanks mate, appreciate that 🙏
👍 now that it’s all paid and fixed enjoy it or the next owner will. Safe travels.
Cheers mate, we will still get years of enjoyment from this to come 👍
Just hit 1 million in the mighty 04 tarago. Never had a service & I charge the oil every 100k…
It’s not hard to change diff oils, or even set the valves…I’m not a mechanic, it’s all self taught over the last 40 odd years. Why pay ~$1k to change fluids unless you’ve got health problems and can’t physically do it?
Well, glad you pointed all this out just wondering what you doing for a crust ?, have a hzj 75 never had a problem, probably because, no electronics, no Automatics, no ABS, no Airbags, no Electric Windows, no aftermarket mods, just plain old cruiser no problems, please explain😂
Haha, yeah mate, they were the best! These new vehicles don't stand chance, but they are what they are.
wait hold up.... Aussie have always told me the LC never has issues!!! I hope thing are ok
Haha, maybe because most cruiser owners won’t admit the real costs 😆
Nah, generally they just fine, my one has had a hard life.
Don't get me started, I have my own 23 or so sad case studies with that brand. Stock standard, used within spec.
Whining transmissions, gearbox stuck in 1st gear, vehicle immovable, that Dyna electric fire, snapped gudgeon pin with conrod through the block - the list is extensive. All driven by responsible, senior staff members or myself. The warranty never delivered, other than an arrogant factory rep belittling me at AutoAfrica98. I'll rather drive Ford, Isuzu, Nissan, Mercedes-Benz. These served me well over 40-odd years.
It still amazes me that people drive through deep water without using a bra.
With 120,000 km 50% off road on my 200 series I've never had to replace 1 part other than consumables.
I'm thinking u need to stop and let diff and gearboxes cool before driving through water
Use a bra on river crossing
And ditch the aftermarket stuff
Ya lost me, with all THE MODIFICATIONS a couple of drownings, and you couldn't remember 3 or 4 services Manufacturers spend years developing these vehicles and some Cowboy's think they know better.
Brake overheating can be caused by the new brake fluids attacking the rubber hose on the inside. Brakes work fine at normal temperatures but when hot the brake caliper pressure cannot release and the problem becomes a feedback critical. Have a feel when bleeding brakes how much pressure you need to bleed that can indicate the inside of the hose restriction.
Cheers mate, thanks for that insight. Always learning 👍
Great video Nathan. I was thingking of trading my 2016 3.2 Everest for a 200 diesel but after watching your video have second thoughts. Would you suggest that a 200 petrol is a better option?
Good video for content!✔️✔️✔️
I’d say that’s cheap, most people seem to think they’re in a submarine not a car. And the more you can stick to stock the better. Fourbyx4 has a good saying, mud equals money. But I like your attitude, get out there and do it, can’t take it with you. I should add my ML 350 cast me $16000 in repairs on top of servicing in 4 years and I hardly took it off bitumen.
Good to see you’re still smiling mate , hopefully you are on top of things now and have plain sailing all the way home 👌
Thanks mate, appreciate that. Here's hoping the worst is over with 🤞
If you're travelling around Australia, you're naturally going to rack up the kms, get stone chips, wear out parts and need services more regularly. Driving your 4WD in water so deep it's up near the windscreen is naturally going to cause electrical problems. Also, because the turbo, running gear and so forth is running hot, as soon as the water hits it, it suffers from rapid thermal stresses and this causes problems.
Impressive river crossing though. I don't think many modern 4WDs could get that deep without issues.