Ep:50 NET CARBS vs TOTAL CARBS: YOUR BODY DOES NOT DO MATH - by Dr. Rob Cywes
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- Опубліковано 23 кві 2020
- The argument against counting.
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Total carbs is the only way to go! I don’t want to fuel my cravings with lookalikes. It’s far easier to stay away from all that stuff. My addictive brain no longer rules me!
Dr. Cywes, your succinct honesty makes me weep with gratitude and relief. Referring to "keto foods," you said, "It's a brownie. You're not eating it for your nutrition, you're eating it for your head." No truer words were ever spoken. I appreciate you and your work!
I emphatically second that,
After 8 years LCHF, I naturally transitioned to being a omni carnivore too! I can't believe how little I actually eat now. How quickly I reach satiety! Your videos are life changing!
Shelley, do you have a menu you follow? I am type 1.5 and my dr. wants me on carbs in veg only and meat. I'm struggling to find meals that are desirable at all. Eggs are not on my food list....
@@janekelley2001 Do you mean you don’t like them, or not “supposed” to eat them?
I always go by TOTAL carbs because net carbs get me in trouble every single time.
I like the YES/NO alternative.
Yes Doc, I totally agree! Total carbs for heath and well being! Some thin people who have never had a disease teach that net carbs are just fine for everyone, but they really aren't for people who have been sick and obese. So happy to be 149 pounds down and I have gotten rid of 24 diseases.
I have to listen to these vids over and over to remind myself what I'm doing wrong. I got started eating the "keto friendly" ice creams, and whoa...the addiction is real. Just a little? How about a pint at a time. And then two pints on Sunday. Never EVER again.
People are trying for a short cut, they want to cheat then can't understand why they are gaining or can't lose!
THANK YOU!!! My co-worker was arguing with me the other day with the stupid net carbs. I told him don't count calories, but check the total carbs. He was not having it (one of those co-worker that has to be right all the time). He said he is still losing weight. So I told him "you can lose weight with crack and cocaine too. 🤣 It's not all about losing weight. It's the quality of it."
jangchuna kate That’s right, it’s not about losing weight, it’s about gaining health. Losing weight is then a side effect of being healthy.
That is true. A person, I think Germany or somewhere in Europe, drank nothing but beer during Lent. At the end, he lost a decent amount of weight. Beer is loaded with carbs and calories so I think the reason he lost weight was because his body wasn't using them. He probably (assumption) was malnourished. I started keto to lose weight but the more I learn about it, I am sticking with it for health reasons.
What about fiber? Fiber is carbs, but doesn't fiber just go right through you, and therefore wouldn't count toward total carbs?
Absolutely on point. Years ago I was hooked on diet drinks/foods with artificial sweeteners. Until I stopped the fake substitute breads/desserts I struggled to lose weight.
That's where I am now. How did you kick it? Cold turkey?
@@gwenj5419 I guess it's cold turkey. I swear listening to him was like being in trouble with Dad. I felt like I was in trouble. Going to the pantry and tossing out the artificial stuff. Good luck
Same! I could not lose a pound on “keto” with diet soda and fasting. As soon as I cut out ALL sweeteners, my cravings went away as well as a painful tumor on my wrist!
Love your no BS approach! Works great for me!!! Lost 70 lbs on keto 1 1/2 years ago and am at my goal weight and fitness level, btw I’ll be 62 soon and have lots of energy to do the things I love! Stick with real food only, nothing processed in my body.
Let's take a typical avocado. 17 grams of carbs - 10 grams of fibre = 7 net carbs. That's what I count. Otherwise my avocado/kale/arugula salad puts me over 20 total carbs, and kicks me out of ketosis. Which it doesn't. The lesson, as always is eat real food and avoid ANY processed food (including pre-packaged keto snacks), along with starchy vegetables and sweet fruits.
Where is the science that supports that Fiber cuts out carbs?
@@majinbahamut3985 The fiber doesn't "cut out" carbs. Fiber IS a carb, one that passes through your digestive system to your colon, without triggering an insulin response. So there's good reason not to include it in calculating your carbs. The "science" is that my beloved avocado salad doesn't kick me out of ketosis - despite being 22-24 total carbs..
@@aquamarine99911 : I doubt that anyone is addicted to avocados because they aren't sweet. The point Doctor Cywes is trying to make is "don't feed your addiction"
@@majinbahamut3985 Fiber doesn't cut out carbs, taking away fiber cuts out fiber. Insoluble fiber doesn't get digested at all, there is no point in counting it. Avocados fiber is atleast 65% insoluble.
"I'm an omnicarnivore." I love that! That's exactly what I am. I just never called it that. Thank you!
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I myself fell into the trap of the keto treats. I was counting net carbs, thinking that I was fine. I even did not notice that I was not in ketosis anymore. My fasting insulin levels were not improving. Only after I went on carnivore diet with almost 0 carbs did I notice a huge huge difference.
Absolutely right. I needed this reminder. Been stalled for a while and its definitely because I'm eating "keto" products convincing myself that they're at least better than the carb loaded alternative when it's clear that's what's resulting in my failure to lose the rest if my fat. Going back to strictly real food, meat, LC veg, animal fats, starting right now. Thanks for the kick in the ass I needed doc!
I completely agree that Keto snacks, bars with sugar alcohols and processed Keto items that give you net carbs are false and will get you into trouble on your weightloss journey. However, if 100% of your carbs come from moderate fruits and veggies the fiber in them netted out never got me in trouble. I also think your statement that veggies are free is a slippery slope if you are following Keto. Too many veggies does slow you down, causes bloat and will definitely slow down your weightloss and ketones. I think many people eat a lot of the so called Keto products and incorporate the fake sugars and that is tough for the body to handle when you are insulin resistant.
I am glad you advise this because this is exactly what my gut was telling me. Complicating it gives me anxiety so I just went with what was easist: total carbs. Thanks Dr. Cywes!
I think the best thing you can know before becoming a carnivore/ketovore is that IT IS A LIFESTYLE, NOT A DIET!!! Diets are temporary.
I was a bit confused at first since you were basically saying that Net Carbs will negatively affect you but then said Net Carbs don't get absorbed. But toward the end you clarify that it's not about the Carb content but the mental trickery of eating foods that will fuel addictive behavior. Great video and something I definitely need to work on.
You make more sense than anyone out there. Had to leave a well known KETO eating group because they were only posting photos of their "KETO" desserts. It awakened my cravings. When I remarked upon this, I was censored and had to leave the group. I feel better not seeing their posts.
That's the behavior of addicts and cultists. Jeeze
I noted, last century, that sugar and alcohol are variations of the some molecular structure. I took this as a cautionary note.
Once again perfect and Claire to the point! So easy to share this information by sharing your videos because they’re clear and concise
You are just totally flippin awesome. You tell it like it is. I wish more Drs were like you. Thank you so much for putting the info out there.
Thank You Dr. Cywes! I have been struggling so hard with becoming Keto and then Carnivore. I am addicted to Carbs. I had been watching tons of videos from Dr. Ken Berry and Shawn Baker, very good videos too. I really like how you delve into the Psychology of diets vs behaviors, so many people take this part of a life change for granted and skirt right over the real issues. Just wanted you to know that your videos have had a profound effect on my life.
Thank you for such awesome videos!!!
I added you on FB as well, I found you through your interview with CarnivoreYogi. You guys are so motivating. I have battled weight and food issues all my life. Please continue the great work 🙌🏻
I need to hear this every day, I'm addicted, uhg
It's not just you, it's the majority unfortunately. 🤦🏽♀️
Thritto🙃🤪
Full carnivore and your cravings go away completely, even fruit. No desire at all after a couple weeks. Much easier than keto where you keep your addiction through accepted carbs everyday. To defeat the disease and addiction, you must just get rid of all carbs.
It’s not your fault though. We’re genetically wired to do this. Just keep the mind strong and keto/carni on!
@@thehealer3969 my findings too! I’m 95% carnivore over a year now. Sometimes I still fall for my old habit of wanting to end a meal (usually my only meal of a day so I indulge myself a bit) with something sweet. I eat a Lindtt chocolate ball but after that I never feel the need or even want to eat another one. One ball has 6g total carbs, and it’s taken with my large steak dinner in my 2 hour feeding window for the day. I can get away with it. But I never forget to remind myself that carbs is tricky.
I use a ketone meter, and eat as many veggies as i can until they kick me out of ketosis, then I reduce veggies (carbs) until I'm back in ketosis again
As everybody has a different number, mine is 34 carbs
I'm losing on average about 2 to 2.5 pounds a week
i did zero carb, and weight loss was the same, only the diet was harder to stick to
Are you using a blood or breath ketone meter?
@@johnchardine1886 Keto Mojo Blood meter, way more accurate
I’m so thankful I found you! You are the best! Please keep up with the videos and information and never go away from us lol. You’re the best!
Keeping it real! Speaking the truth! Thanks for the knowledge!
Thank you for this kick up the butt, I really needed it to stop lying to myself.
Humans have only grown grain such as rice for 8,000 to 10,000 years. But we have only been able to refine it for the last 1,000 years. And, we have only had an abundance of it in the past 40 years.
I’m so glad I found this channel Doc, thanks for posting these videos! I’ve been trying to lose weight without admitting I’m a carb addict. Net carb counting lead me to snacking and eating products that were ultimately appeasing my inner carb addict and gave me a way to rationalize my usage by doing the “math”. I’ve switched from keto to whole food plant based and now whole food omnivorous. I kept messing up on keto because I playing with the net carb formula and would end up eventually over eating those products ultimately binging and relapsing to uncontrolled eating.
Excellent video, thanks Dr. Cywes
“It’s still a brownie!!!!” Awesomeness!!
Ton Brw yes, that’s right, still a brownie, the only difference being it’s probably a crappy one at that.
This doctor makes so much sense. Enjoying this channel.
Another great video !!!! Thank you from Vermont
This is excellent! thank you so much for sharing 💗
Thank you for all your VERY clear infos!!
Thank You Dr Cywes for some informative CLEAR Headed thinking 😊 👍 -70SomethingGuy
I needed this!!!! I fell HARD off the Keto train. 2020 has totally sucked....took me down with it.
Excited to reset after watching this video; all the noise out there is overwhelming. Glad to have a voice of reason.
Wow. This hits home. Thank you.
I’ve been doing “Lazy Keto” for several months and hasn’t lost weight. I’ve fell into this this “Net Carb” merry go round. I wish I’ve found your channel earlier. Now I can get on the right track.
I needed this kick in the rear!
Especially when he said "you're not eating it for your body, you're eating it for your head". Keto really isn't just another diet - it's the complete elimination of eating for pleasure at all - something I lose both a lot of time and energy to
One of your best videos yet Dr. Cywes. I love my Keto cups by Evolve but after seeing this vid I will be done with them. Thanks, Doc!!
Great channel I agree I have 10 grams carb in 2 OZ pomegranate juice a day , I have only 10 carbs Rest of day, no net carbs.
Doc Cywes could save your life. Thank you for all of your videos.🙏🏽
Keto way of eating for 3 years , I always did net carbs , after watching yours videos ( meet you on dr . Berry channel) I will start doing total carbs , so that way I stop buying “ desserts “. Thanks doc , for the Amazing information.
Dr. C looks like Burt Lancaster
No way!!!...
That was a Totally ☺️ great video ‼️Stay safe & well ❣️
I LIKE this!!! Thanks for the info!
My favorite doc ever, thanks sir!
I love your videos. They are just so common sense.
I love you! I’ve learned so much!
Thank you very much.all makes great sense.tim
Feel very hopeful Thank you doctor
Great stuff Doc.👍
I needed this. Thanks!
Thank you, you explaine this in a way that is understandable.
Low Carb USA recommended Uprising Foods no wheat or grains bread and chips. It sounded healthy with only 2 net carbs. I gained 8 pounds in 3 days after having only 4 slices and 1 serving of chips.
You're so right, it was for my head not for nutrition, just like zero calorie, sugar free soda. Switched back to carnivore.
Fabulous break down here on a real controversial subject.
If it's what goes in your bloodstream, then net carbs *do* count. If you're eating something wit 5g of net carbs and 4g of that is fiber, only 1g will hit your bloodstream, aka 1g of net carbs. And, if it's about getting to zero carbs, how can you say vegetables are free?!? They have carbs that enter your mouth, and a bit fewer that enter your bloodstream.
Thank you for all that reality check, without velvety gloves, tricks and tweaks! It IS the addiction, and abstinence is the only way to treat it. I also noticed: the more net carbs are creeping in my diet, the more uncontrollably hungry I become, and my binging disorder comes back with a vengeance
Now I know why I am stuck at this weight. I have started eating keto bagels etc because of net carbs not total carbs. Time to redo the way of eating. Thank you Dr. You are the best.
Fantastic video! 👏👍👌
Just so helpful. Just lets me know I'm on the right track of controlling my own life start I g with what I put into my body.
Great video!!
Wow! Wish I understood this when I started my keto lifestyle over 2 years ago!
"I don't care what that brownie is made of. It's still a brownie!"
*Thank you!* You can hardly find a decent keto recipe online or on UA-cam because most are substitute desserts! So frustrating!
Sweets specifically are my downfall, and they are for most others too. These people have no idea how much damage they're doing to people's keto success by peddling such crap. Or they do but don't care. Either way, I wish it would end.
HickoryDickory86
Yeah, same. I mean, in a way I appreciate them...it means, I can make and bring a dessert I’m allowed to eat to family celebrations and such. I will still overeat on calories, most likely, but I‘ll still be in ketosis at least and can seamlessly go back to my regular food. But as part of my regular everyday diet? No way. I’d never manage, to loose any weight, if I had artificially tempting food like that around.
@@raraavis7782 I can appreciate it to some degree too. It's just that it makes getting into and sticking with the keto diet that much more difficult.
New to your podcasts. So eye-opening. I’ve been keto for years- and have followed the net carbs faction. This gives me the impetus to tighten up my protocols for better health. Yes or no.
This is SO true. My first year keto I did like this...worked for me keep it off an entire year+. Began having treats here and there, now here I am back at my sw. Only 10# but still want it off. Gotta get back to this! Ty for your encouragement!
Thank you 👍this helps a lot 😊
My great uncle who lived to be 92 yrs young always said “eat to live, not live to eat! It worked for him.
Thank you for your wisdom
I’ve been on Keto almost 3 years and I started buying into the “net carbs” and was gaining weight back slowly. I’ve quit buying the keto lookalikes.
Every time I see anything packaged with the word keto on it I just tell myself that it’s just more processed crap.
Yes! Even the you make and bake keto treats were putting weight back on me 🚫🚫🚫⛔⛔⛔👎👎👎
This is the most informative video you've done (saying a lot)...the "net carbs" fallacy has submarined thousands of people following keto. This is should be on page 1 of the keto/carnivore lifestyle users manual! Many thanks!
Thank you for helping me!!!!
So true, net carbs will get you in trouble.
Thank You so very much for explaining the total carbs, it all now makes sense. I am sugar addicted and carbs are my enemy. When I eat strictly carnivore I do not have any cravings and I can go longer without getting hungry. I may end up replaying your video on this as I need to hear this as a reminder until it becomes a part of my every day thinking pattern, repitition! Thanks once again Dr. Cywes.
Eye-opening. It wasn't until after this video that I saw results on keto.
I'm supportive of your work, and your great interviews on the "Low Carb MD" podcast!
However, I think you're over-simplifying that "your body doesn't calculate net carbs". Your body can't do math (you're right), but it certainly handles various carbohydrate in different ways.
Example: Manufacturer XYZ invents a 'SawDust Bar" made up of 20g of sawdust and 2g of artificial sweetener:
22g total carbohydrate
- 20g insoluble fiber
- 2g of artificial sweetener
= 0 net carb
Your video says that my body is going to treat the 20g of sawdust the same way as the 2g of artificial sweetener.
Here's where I think you're right (this and other videos): The 2g of artificial sweetener is the problem...
* Insulin rises from the sweetener (causing you to eat more SawDust bar)
* Dopamine 'hit' (causing you to go to the cabinet between meals for your SawDust bar)
In my opinion, your video should really be saying:
* It's the "innocent 2g of sweetener" that is the problem (it isn't a 'free' sweetener)
* Manufacturers treat all non-nutritive alcohols/sweeteners as if they truly have 0 net carbs, but it's a sliding scale
* Sweeteners have different psychological/addictive and physiological effects for different people
* It's a considerable amount of (often wasted) effort/time to find out what your body can handle
* Therefore, be careful, and it's highly recommended to stick to "total carbs" (to be sure, and make it easier for yourself), OR travel down the difficult path of meticulously deriving what works for your body.
Good post.
EXACTLY! I was screaming this at the screen... like stevia that has absolutely no effect on insulin... or fiber...
@@koreycowan1976 Thanks! Stevia can raise insulin in some people, and cause dopamine hit. But, it shouldn't affect the "net carbs" calculation much.
Remember, this is a channel about carb addiction, not perfecting the Keto diet. I see the doctor’s point, using his alcoholic analogy. If you struggle with obesity and/or Type 2 diabetes, you should probably look at total carbs and make the binary decision whether or not to put something into your mouth. Net carbs becomes a slippery slope that may get a carb addict off track.
He mentioned most of that in the video. His ultimate point is that counting net carbs and eating look alike low carb foods affect you mentally in a negative way ultimately leading you to a failed dieting experience which is statistically proven.
I was on the original Adkins diet many years ago and lost a ton, like you said. And I gained it back following a divorce, but I don't recall him mentioning "net carbs" at all. Fiber wasn't even on packaging back them. When I returned to the diet some years later, again I lost a bunch of weight and then heard about the "net carb" idea and the weight loss stopped, but I didn't make the connection.
"its not what goes into your mouth, but what goes into your blood stream instead". Thank you for saying that!
Since I was diagnosed as diabetic six years ago, I've made it a hobby to test how my body reacts to various foods. (I go through a lot of strips.)
Conclusion: my BG levels are indeed negatively affected by fiber. Maybe not as extreme as if they were the same amount in white bread or potato chips instead, but I am absolutely affected by foods such as flax, psyllium, avocado, and similar.
GR8 ADVICE DOC😁😀💖💙😎
Thank you! Thank you!
I thank God for discovering you. I have had a terrible time kicking carbs and sugar. I have been "carnivore" since July of last year and was fine for about 6 mos. Then I had a piece of my Mom's 85th birthday cake and wham! I have not been able to kick it for 3 mos now. You however have simplified my doubt of ever going carnivore again. I know now I will be able to look at the food and say to myself yes or know when I look at the food before eating. Thank you. Good thoughts.
This information is amazing! Never thought about it that way. I'm a carb addict, so no carbs makes sense.
Thank you!
So happy I found your channel. Been following Keto for a few months and started intermittent fasting because I have insulin resistance. About to embark on a longer water fast. My question is do you take bloodgroups into account. For example I'm B pos and been told pork and chicken are bad for me and should stick to fatty meats like lamb? From South Africa
I don’t get it. Over 90% of people gain the weight back???? I was under the impression the weight was gained back because they stopped doing what they did to lose weight in the first place ,and went back to eating high carbs. Your telling me if they just count total and not net carbs they won’t gain the weight back? This one adjustment will make them never gain weight??? It will give them the willpower to never touch a high carb meal again? 🤔
I just discovered your channel, loving your content, quick question: if we are not counting macro’s then what are we counting carbs at all, let alone net of total carbs? If zero carbs are the goal, then how many are acceptable?
Good stuff!
Thank you so much!! I’m looking to lose 80lbs and was confused with total and net carbs. Glad I came across your video. Hoping keto will help with weight loss, mood and overall inflammation in my body!
Aria Nura, how are you doing?
I lost 36 pounds in 30 days doing Atkins new diet revolution in the 90s (20 TOTAL carbs). Ive been doing todays "keto" for 4 months (20 NET carbs) and just reached 36 pounds. Keto is more flexible in food options but is flawed as it doesnt account for total carbs. I dont care what your macros are; if you eat more than 50 total carbs it will be very difficult to maintain ketosis. Ive had days where net was under 20 but total was over 90! I just started lowering to under 50 total and am losing a half pound a day.
Amber Jaye really ?
Excellent
Thank You Sir
Dr. Cywes just watch this video and can only think about when we spoke last net carbs against total carbs and then it’s BS. My weight is down by nearly 40 pounds by staying on a carnivore diet and of course portion control and exercising in the pool. Congratulations Doc , I am a believer, and so is my wife
I did Atkins in the '70s and the concept of net carbs didn't exist. The daily total carb count was 20. I'd never heard of net carbs until keto came along...and I wish I hadn't. I think that's my downfall. Atkin's is more keto than Keto.
I just found you.. I started keto about 2 years ago.. lost 40 pounds in a year.. have stabilized.. from 230 to 190.. I loved being 180 but gained back 10 (I'm a 6 ft tall 64 year old female). I'm trying not to go extreme again on low carbs... But I would like to get back to 180... I get the addiction comparison.. but While I do think some people are addicted to sugar, just like addictions to alcohol, drugs, ect... BUT I'm not an addict to anything .. ( maybe to too much TV) I just wanted to lose some weight and it worked and I feel very good.. So I'm trying to understand how you can discern the addict vs someone that tricks the body to burn more fat like me. I do also get your point about total carbs.. and that we shouldn't fool ourselves about how many carbs were eating.. but if I'm correct and I'm not really an addict.. could I eat carbs in a "normal" diet like most people eat.. and maybe just cut back on caries instead? Like the old calories in vs calories out? OR.. should I stick to keto management.. around 50-100 carbs a day, and continue to avoid carbs that are in most " normal" American foods like pastas, breads, rice? Just curious.
Thank you 😊