Is the Flair 58 Electric worth the upgrade?
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- Опубліковано 3 лис 2023
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After spending a lot of time using the Flair Signature and getting used to the idiosyncrasies of the design, I really wondered if the extra ~$300 was worth it. After all, it doesn't steam milk yet so other than a heated 58mm group head, there wasnt too much to be excited for. However, there is so much more to the 58 than you first expect and I loved playing around with this machine, testing out all the different extraction styles and techniques.
I have to say I think I'm converted now!
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New subscriber here Ryde, I’m enjoying your content. For the past 30 years I’ve been gaggia, rancilio breville, switched over to manual espresso and hand grinder about a month ago. For me the concept of manual is no noise. It’s a silent process, and that my friend takes coffee to a new level of appreciation. when I want a flat white I use a sunbeam milk frother. I totally see the value in a flair 58
My favourite part of drinking coffee is the smell after brewing a coffee, and finding the flavour notes from each country origin. I love my coffee with sweet, fruity and floral taste.
It’s definitely worth it!!! Just got it a couple of days ago, so fun to play with. The workflow is so much better compared to Flair Pro 2 which I used to owned for awhile. Although I already have my Quickmill Rubino, I still think 58+ a great addition. 🎉
I love your coffee beans, the best in Australia. You really know coffee and I love watching your blogs son your UA-cam channel will be amazing.
My favourite characteristic is the caramel notes. Coffee beans delivered's il Caramello smells absolutely phenomenal whenever I make it for my partner.
Love fruit aroma and some acidity. Beans from Ethiopia have been my current go to. Espresso just makes the day better. From the smell to the taste.
Thanks for the videos.
For me with milk, I adore the creamy and soothing combination of caramel and hazelnut, for black, the bright and vibrant notes of citrus and berries really hit the spot
I have a great machine already, but I'd love to win this to give to my son-in-law. He always has a coffee when he visits, no matter the time of day, and I'd like him to be able to return the favour when I visit him and my daughter :) I like a coffee that is medium to dark roast, with notes of Christmas pudding.
Yes perfect gift, the kind that benefits everyone! 😅
Hi Ryde, the Flair is a stunning piece of functional architecture. As a sweet tooth I love the chocolatey smoothness of your "Tall Dark & Handsome" coffee blend. So delicious as a cold press!
I really love the pressure control you have with a manual machine as well as how quite it is. Personally, I like sweet textured shots with a hint of acidity.
It's about the space and "portability" for me while allowing me to still have espresso quality cups. I mean towards medium/dark roasts that highlight chocolate blends. I used to get fruit forward beans but wifey doesn't care for them much.
I own a Flair Pro 2 and I agree with you … celebrating the coffee making process with a manual machine is a beautiful way to start the day. I also enjoy playing around with the pressure profile to get different extraction of the coffee. I would love to upgrade to the Flair 58 but no spare money for it right now. This would be a great opportunity to step up the game and to make the morning experience even better! All the best!!!!
Dear Ryde, really enjoy your videos very real and interestingly and also I love them because they're Australian. As far as coffee goes I enjoyI light roast espresso from high altitude beans that make my palate feel like a prancing horse and not a sluggish chocolate couch. Vibrant with a hint of a sweet acid finish that lingers for those few moments each morning I contemplate my day with four double ristrettos.
Love your descriptions! 🙌
My preference in coffee is more oriented on the acidity of the coffee. My preferred origins are Costa Rica (Honey Thermic Fermentation), Brazil (Anaerobic) and so on. (For the flat whites, I also enjoy a nutty flavour).
I discovered my passion for coffee last year and I have been looking for all the tools that I need in order to experience a great coffee at home.
I would love to win the Flair 58 as I already planned on purchasing one in the first part of January next year.
I've been dreaming of having one of these since they were relesead. I really like lever espresso machines. About my coffee, I like it balanced, with a little acidity but mostly sweet.
I have the Flair 58 LE. I have it paired with the Option O Lagom Mini and the Option O Lagom P64. I NEVER drink milk drinks🤮. It works well for me and I have used some of the recipes shared by Lance Hendrick on his channel. Great review! ❣
Thanks!
Love the mouth feel of a thick bodied espresso
Always wanted to give one of these a go. Not sure I would like to be making a coffee at 6am on it though 😂
my favorite characteristic is the smoky notes. I prefer a darker roast for coffee and espresso and really enjoy the wisps to it that almost bring out a char like flavor
Hi! Ryde. Lost the taste buds. But enjoy your coffee range, not just a single variety. I try to get a whole lot of different types of coffee beans. Which makes the coffee experience worth while. Will be getting the new coffee.
thanks for the kind words Mitch!
Love my Coffee Beans Delivered beans and I love that satisfied “ah” at the end of the video! I enjoy lots of different flavours in my coffee (it’s so good that you offer so many!) but it’s hard to go past my favourite - the caramelly goodness of il caramello 😋
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I love how coffee smells, especially when it is being roasted. I think smell is the best characteristic for me since everyone can appreciate it, even if they don’t like to drink it. When it comes to characteristics for taste, I like a full body coffee, with an herby aroma. I can taste it right now just thinking about it!
I really love the dark and chocolatey roasts for doing milk drinks in the afternoon, but one of my favorite guilty pleasures in the morning is an espresso romano. I love to pair it with really effervescent, floral or fruity blends and lean pretty heavy in the acidity as an excellent pick-me-up for my job training people. First video I've seen of you, and your videos have a level of polish far exceeding your current audience! Earned yourself a new subscriber!
Hi Ryde, that's a great video! I started my coffee journey with pour-over and recently I'm thinking of trying out espresso. I have been using a Picopresso and I have enjoyed the result. Flair 58 is a machine that I'm checking out at the moment and very interested in getting one myself. For espresso, I enjoy the chocolate and caramel notes.
My quickmill espresso Machine just broke. Pump problem. Flair espresso machine sounds like a solid reliable alternative to electric machine
Sorry to hear about your Quick Mill, how long have you had it? They usually last a very long time. This is definitely one that will never have pump issues!😅
I love a more fruity coffee. Stone fruit seems to be my favorite right now.
Been really enjoying lighter roasts recently. Mainly filter with washed Ethiopians, would love to play about with profiles on this beaut.
Thank you for the 1240 likes.
Sincerely, Yours Ty Lee Hamauku!
I tend to like balanced citrusy espresso. These days
Love it ❤
Really enjoy citrus and grapefruit notes for my filter and espresso coffee. Somehow it's nice on its own. Also enjoy that particular note on my morning cappuccino
I favourite at the moment is a medium roast with a strongly dark chocolate up front with a sweeter and slightly acidic berry finish that stays on my tongue long after finishing the espresso. Leaves my mouth feeling clean and fresh and wanting another.
great looking machine! i like the dark chocolate flavored espressos
Wow! 🤩😍 Now that is a fine piece of engineering. It looks to put a whole other level of fun, ceremony and quality into making coffee. That's a large part of what we enjoy about having our morning coffee. It's a kind of ritual. My go-to coffee is an espresso. I love nut flavours best but also enjoy having variety like Il Caramello and anything dark and rich, full-bodied. I haven't tried the Yirgacheffe yet. Sounds great. Thanks Ryde. ☺
oh its amazing and I might have to buy one after I give this one away because I'll miss it! 😅
I always look for complexity and sweetness in a cup of coffee. African beans (if farmed, stored, roasted, extracted well) are absolute favorites 😋
I love the floral notes of lighter roasted coffees having recently got into the specialty coffee scene
I'm new into home brewing. I have learned so much through this community so far and the Flair 58 is definitely caught my eye. Such a beautiful design. Thanks for the time you put into your videos and the help you provide to this wonderful coffee community. I love nutty flavor profiles. I find I like the lighter roasts and medium roasts the best. I am open though, brand new to all of this! I forgot to mention my flavor preferences earlier.
Thank you! Yes the Flair is one of those gorgeously unique machines. Lots to learn about but you have so much fun learning.
@@Rydecoffeecoach I completely agree. I am looking to purchase the Flair 58. I am definitely having fun with the learning process for sure. Something about the manual approach is intriguing. Thanks for taking the time to respond!!!
Damn I’m late on the give away! Oh well the video was wonderful either way
Don't worry, I'll run more! Stay tuned... 🙌👌
My favourite is a Carmel undertones that are deep and sweet.
Thanks for your review. I’ve had several very good electric machines over the years, but I’m looking forward to trying an elevated had drawn cup and tasting the flavour profiles of different roasts as I’m very much much about experiencing those nuances.
I am looking at purchasing the one of these units after i get enough saved up. I sure do not want to lowest end model because its just not worth the bother! This would be my first espresso maker because i do not like these electric models avabile on the market... I love the Mocha pot espresso compared to the espresso of now... However i plan to buy or win a Flair 58 in the very near future, i believe my slow bar customers will like as well... I will need to practice!!! Camping and power outages will have another option....
Hey Ride, great video as always! Love the Flair for its simplicity and design. The lever is incredible. My favorite coffee flavor to drink is chocolate, caramel with nutty hints. I am just starting to enjoy the fruity citrus characteristics as well. Thanks for posting! Keep it up!
Hi there ! My favorite characteristics of espresso will be chocolatey milk, thick syrupy and a hint of cherry. Thanks by the way for the give away !
this would look amazing in my dorm room! i'd love it because I was always into manuals but never had the courage to buy one
Very nice video. I have been watching any video I can find on UA-cam and saving to buy a flair 58 or Breville/Sage Dual Boiler machine. I am leaning towards Flair and your video is the type of video I appreciate. I don't like starting at the end where alot of videos are focused on various profiles. I like the layed out from the beginning approach. I lean towards the medium to dark traditional espressos and that may change who knows. Cheers from the US subscribed and liked to watch your journey.
Hi Ryde. I am a milk coffee drinker. A piccolo to kickoff with in the morning followed by a cappuccino chaser 😄 Flavour profile-wise, I tend to favour medium blends with nutty and chocolate/caramel characteristics. A full mouth feel is what I am after.
Thank you for the content you produce - very enjoyable.
Thanks so much Simon! I love a full bodied caramel coffee too. super juicy!
Damn! I was looking for this review on flair 58! Thank you so much :)
There are very few coffee roasters in India who do justice with the right flavour profile for beans. But i run for that vibrant citrus & berry notes in my pour overs & same goes with espressos, but kind of heavy & boozy to add to that overall finish.. when it comes to milk based drinks that hint of orange chocolates is i crave for
This is a work of art
Using hot milk and a electric milk frother to finish your espresso.
I Love chocolate notes in Cappuccino and would be Happy to pare my aeroccino with this beauty
I am here to learn and now am embarrassed to say I have been making espresso for over 25 years and don't really know how to explain the characteristics of coffee. I started in college before espresso was popular on a used $100 De'Longhi then learned I needed a burr grinder so I bought a used Krups. Next I discovered the aeropress, which appealed to me as an engineer. Then I enjoyed the 'lazy' world of Nespresso. I'm ready to make some real espresso and you have opened my eyes! Now to decide which grinder and espresso maker to get and learn how to recognize the coffee characteristics that I love. Since I'm from Florida and love citrus I believe that is one characteristic I love, but I enjoy deep flavors as well.
Thank you for all the time you put into these videos. I cannot 'espress' how much I have enjoyed them and have learned from them. ❤
You are an inspiration!
That slurp at the end😂😂 game changer
Ride these videos are what I live for
Pure and in depth ❤
Your Ugandan coffees taste so far through the eg1 has been nothing but incredible that strawberry jam has always got me hooked it’s what I love a lot about Colombian’s as well 🎉🎉
thanks so much Antonio! 🙏🙌 haha my slurp normally gets cut out and/silenced because I think it probably upsets most people, but for some reason I felt it was needed for the ASMR😅
@@Rydecoffeecoach you chose well
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I'd love this machine because with two kids and a hefty mortgage, I can't afford to buy one of these machines! I've been lusting after one for a year! I enjoy medium roasts with more traditional chocolate/nut flavors but sometimes I like fruity and funky.
I personally love my black coffee to have a kick of citrus in it! While on milk based espressos, I love beans with notes of muscovado, strawberries, or nuts!
Hey I'm new to your videos, love the video review. Looks gorgeous. I've been reading up on the flair and it's awesome, the pressure gauge is all there to make awesome espresso but also that you don't damage any parts of the machine like the O-Rings. Interesting the coffee needs to be even finer than regular...wonder why.
Just started dabbling in espresso beans and am loving the medium to lighter roasts with berry notes like strawberry or raisin. Will love to dabble in the ones with floral notes, sounds super interesting.
I’ve recently been really enjoying medium roast blends with milk chocolate and fruity notes. I had one a couple weeks ago that, when paired with milk for a latte, was so sweet and chocolatey, it tasted like I was drinking a mocha, but I hadn’t even added anything. Delicious!
I’ve been eyeing the 58 for a long time. I just recently upgraded my grinder in preparation for getting one in the near future!
I've been won over by this machine having gone down a flair 58 rabbit hole over the last few days... I'd love to have one as it seems like the perfect upgrade/sidestep from my gaggia classic that I'm currently using. Thanks very much for the vid - you've totally sold it to me! I'm really into the fruity/acidic light roasted coffees at the moment and think the flair would get more out of them than my gaggia...
Awesome machine, thank you for the review! I have had them on my radar for a while! And in terms of the coffee flavors, before I started my coffee journey I was only drinking old, stale commercial coffee that tasted like paper and shoes (I realize that now!). These days, the fruity flavors and the cacao and caramel notes and all the nuances of specialty coffee just blow my mind! I even heavily modified my Debica with a voltage regulator, manometer, and steam wand. But If get to win the Flair58, oh boy… cant imagine the taste this beauty can bring out! Good luck, everyone!
love hearing about your journey down the rabbit hole of coffee! Amazing 😀
First of all - awesome video! Luckily i fell over it. I was already on the search for a esspresso machine and to be honest until now i never thougt about a machine like that. But you got a point with slowing down your day and taking you time to enjoy it. Sometimes i used to rush from bed to hit a button on the coffee maker, down it in one and rush to work - so this really caught me. I also like the idea of experimenting around with the control you have. My journey just started and in the moment i like more of the carmel and chocolate notes but the journey is long and there is a lot to try :)
I'm so happy you are on the path down the coffee rabbit hole. It's a rewarding rabbit hole at least! 👌
Have you had a chance to compare his with the Rocket version? The Rocket is half the price, all metal, no need to preheat and many have said they love the coffee. I think it looks better, has a smaller foot print. However, I am will pay the extra if there is an advantage worth that money.
Do you mean the Rok? I have one and I really think this version of the Flair 58 is much better. I would say even the flair signature is better than the Rok.
Well, I'm a sucker for the look of the Flair and I've always wanted one (especially these newer models with preheat functionality) but can't justify the purchase right now. My favorite notes are the nutty and chocolate-y ones that I get from medium roasts.
i prefer the nutty, chocolatey and slightly bitter flavors of coffee in espresso. beautiful machine!
I've just gotten into the world of specialty coffee a year ago and my go to would be anaerobic/wine processed coffees since I like those strong fruity acidic flavors. My parents have a home entry-level espresso machine that can make milk drinks but not for light roast, not even really for straight espresso. But since I'm really into lighter roast and always exploring new beans, I would love to have a lever espresso "machine" to try lighter roasts on. Also, the fact that you can do pressure profiling at a fraction of price of semi-automatic machines in the market is very appealing to me. Having the tactile feel of pulling a shot would add to the espresso making ritual, cause let's be honest, we love coffee AND we love the process of brewing it.
Hi friend , I love this machine it looks classy and it would be great addition to my arsenal , my flavours are caramel and chocolate 🍫
At the moment, I am really into the tropical note: mangos and peaches from the fermented beans.
looks great. I would really like to find out if it beats the Bialetti. Yes, I prefer simple things and not a big fan of machines with too many features. And Flair 58 is probably as far as I would go. I like its mechanical design - it has that never aging style.
Great video. My coffee of choice is an Ethiopian in the Yirgacheffe/Guji area with a pronounced fruit aroma like strawberry and some mild acidity. Now I have to go brew some more…😊
What an interesting machine! You would feel more involved in the process of making your coffee and earning your caffine hit. More than just hitting a button these days!
I totally agree, its immersion coffee making. 😅
I love fruity coffee very much and prefer it to other types, and I hope to get Flair 58
Thanks for the review. Unfortunately, it reminded me of the awful brew I currently call Espresso 😅 I do not have a real espresso machine yet so winning this one would probably alter my perspective of how good coffee could actually taste because I love darker roasts especially with cacao 🎉 So fingers crossed and all the best for your channel!
Thank you!
I used to really like the darker blends and enjoyed the Carmel and chocolate. I’ve been playing around with the lighter single origins and really enjoying the fruity, berry notes.
So interesting that your palate has evolved to the fruitier coffees! 🙌
I love the sweet fruity flavors of coffee
Thanks for this. I started with a gaggia classic and as I went further down the rabbit hole the flair 58 really appealed to me. I’ve committed to the machine and the ritual and find the whole experience really rewarding. I still use the GCP for milk steaming or guests but almost exclusively use the F58 for myself. The machine requires accepting what it does well IMO rather than fighting what it does not. I was chasing the same notes and flavors I found in bolder red wines like barolos. To me that meant dark roasted almost waxy beans with nearly greasy residue. Now I’m settled into Onyx geometry for lighter roast and more fruit forward flavors as well as local roasters in my area to keep things interesting.
Yes, the light roasted coffees turn out amazing through the flair. You might be able to pump the darker roasts through at higher pressure to simulate the GCP, because its just straight on 9bar then off, it will take a bit to master the Flair to achieve that!
I like the slight bettor
Great video!! . I really enjoy chocolate honey and panela flavors on coffee. I use to drink peruvian coffee.
I would defiantly be interested in trying out the Flair 58 and seeing how it compares to my Breville Barista Express. I've heard manual lever machines are able to compete with semi-automatic machines that costs a lot more since you are able to control the pressure, flow, and temperature parameters. As for the characteristics/flavors of coffee, I enjoy sweet and smooth, with hints of chocolate, nuts, and fruit. I recently tried a Papua New Guinea Coffee and it was one of my favorites.
It look soo nice . I'm really about nutty flavor and like over ripe fruit .. very good content as usual
tbh, i really thank you if i won the GA cos i'm a home brewer who wanna upgrading my experience of espresso journey. i think flair 58 is worth to have cos it can produce a proper espresso and a tools that can make me enjoying my espresso shot. a manual brew equipment that proper to made some espresso for my daily kafein booster. between all of manual espresso maker, i think flair 58 is the best tools to buy cos flair 58 using 58mm portafilter which mean flair 58 similar with a proper espresso machine to extract a great espresso shot.
I love the texture and the acidity.. like the citrus flavour in a good espresso
Really loving an Ethiopian from Dark woods roasters in the UK at the moment: Black stone fruits, red grape and a mango finish
This has been on my mind a lot, would love to learn about pressure and flow and show it to all my friends. Some great cafes here in Oxford, but the home barista scene is pretty minimal. Afaik.
Like always your video is the best :) For espresso I love medium/dark roast with caramel and chocolate note with some secondary spices note like chicory :) But with aeropress I love light roast with red fruits note like cassis, black cherry and a little bit of acidity like cedar or red orange :)
beautiful descriptions of your flavour preferences! Very articulate thanks! 🙌
kenan from Malaysia here.lovly to see you reviewing this machine.let me comment.....there is no one full in love and understand the flair like i did even the designer it self....i run 2 cafe's and both of them using flair58/58+/LE..2 units in each outlet..1 flair serve over 100 cup of coffee 5days a week...they build it to be home use only...but it actually can go wider...
Ryde do remember this name brother.in one day you may review the most powerful coffee machine that you never seen......F i r s t C l a s s ❤
Thanks Kenan! I had no idea you'd be able to get it going for commercial use, well done! You must havae a great set up. Please share some videos. I'll remember you, let me know when this mysterious coffee machine is available as I'd love to review it! 🙌
It's been my only espresso machine for 2 years.
Some good tips include:
Give it at least 20 minutes on with the portafilter in to get everything nice and hot.
I always have the heating element on high and use your kettle temp to control temp. So I brew Tall Dark and Handsome at 91 for my wife and the Ugandan has really come through at 97.
In regards to some of those issues you raised it appears newer models have fixed. I also wish they released their scale much sooner so i wouldn't have spent so much on an Acaia Lunar 😅
As for my favourite tastes I love fruits with great acidity, citrus, jammy, tropical.
Obviously Im not entering the comp. I already have one.
You can never have enough Flairs! 😂 Great tips. Thanks for sharing. Weirdly, I leave it on for 20+ minutes everytime, but thats not intentional as I acutally just forget I'm using it and then remember 20mins later. 😅
There is a carry case for it. Its a hard shell case. Its 90 bucks but still. Its nice
Oh yeh that would be good even if it's a little bulky.
@@Rydecoffeecoach bulky for sure 🤣
Flair 58 electric is pretty much an upgrade to 58x
It can do lighter roasted coffee much easier than most other flairs and machines for the same price aren't light roast espresso capable out of the box. Puck screen is absolute must in lever. The only reason is its just so much easier in cleaning it later on.
The trick to lighter roast is hotter water and pre-infusion
yes absolutely true!
A major negative: The top rubber O ring in the plunger rubs against the wall, deforms and pops out. To order a new one you have to order the entire set which includes O rings of difference sizes which you don't need from Flair. Maybe it's just me, but that larger skinny rubber O ring doesn't last long. The set of O rings costs $12 plus shipping. Positive: once you gain experience it's an unbelievable machine that makes fantastic espresso. Machines like Gaggio Classic Pro don't even come close to the level of control you have with Flair. You really need to compare it to $3000+ espresso machines.
I have a gen 1 58 and have yet to replace the o rings. I may be coming close to it now but I still have the extras that came with the machine
I think I might be doing something wrong. I take the gauge out to fill the small tank with water. It's that skinny top ring that gives me problems. All other rings are tight and original@@MrCaptGeezer
Like to compare to moka express with light roasted high acidity
And get milk frother if you want milk
Dear coffee coach. Why does a lever machine require finer grinds? Thx for your answer.
I believe its becasue of the way the preinfusion works on a lever vs semi automatic machine. You see, as you life the lever the first time, this dumps most of the water directly on the bed of coffee much faster than a regular machine. This saturates the coffee puck almost instantly and so when you start pulling down, the bed of coffee is already interrupted and allows the flow of water much more easily. By grinding finer, you keep the resistance much higher and this slows down the flow rate of the extraction.
Boozy, fruity, funky naturals for me please! Great video... First one of yours I've watched. Will be subscribing. Cheers.
Can I use a medium espresso grind with the 58?
I'm aiming to buy one for myself, pricey, still looking?
No, it really has to be quite a bit finer (not Turkish but finer than commercial espresso)
@Rydecoffeecoach thank you, I'm a home barista, right before Turkish, I'll use the measurements, thank you again.
la pavoni europiccola is in the same price range and have steamer
For me, it's all about chocolate.
It’s like he’s trying to avoid saying anything valuable. Five minutes in and I’m out 👋👋👋
Hi thanks for the detailed review. My wife bought me this for valentines. Its an excellent machine and the carry case is robust. As a home roaster, I'm looking forward to tinkering around with recipes and profiles with my own beans found @thelotroastery. It would be great to do a beanswap and see how it goes, what do you think?
I love to attempt to draw out more fruity flavors while balancing acidity. Coffee extraction is both a science and an art form. Love it!!