The love the priest talks about isn't the love between a man and a woman, a parent and child, etc. It's not explained super well so it does tend go over a lot of people's heads initially but the love he's referring to is unconditional love for everyone, treating everyone with kindness no matter who they are, the kind of love the bible tells Christians to practice, "thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" and what the ancient Greeks called "Agape", they had 8 different words to describe the different kinds of love (Unconditional, sexual passion/romantic, playful, deep friendship, family, enduring, self-love and obsessive love). The priest calls what Ragnar felt for Canute discrimination because in his eyes if you put someone above others (Ragnar valuing Canute's safety over the lives of all those villagers) you are discriminating against everyone else. He blames human's inability to properly practice unconditional love on the original sin of Adam and Eve for which God punished them by kicking them out of paradise and taking away their ability to "love". The snow still falls on you no matter who you are, the sun is the same, that's why Canute says they are love, they don't treat anyone or anything differently, they don't "discriminate". Canute is angry with God for making humans incapable of unconditional love while also insisting we practice it. "We'll never attain it, yet even then you'll still tell us to seek it?... Isn't there any way to end the suffering of your punishment other than death? Are you saying that we only exist so that we may be tested and endure?" He sees it as a test we are setup to fail so instead of trying to pass a rigged test to get into heaven, he will create his own paradise for humanity. This is why there seems to be such a strong 180 in Canute's character. Prior to their conversation, Canute is resigned to his fate, his own father wants him dead, there is no life for him in England or Denmark, his only chance to survive is to go into exile (Ragnar told Askeladd his brother would help get Canute out of the country before he died). Through their conversation he finds new a true purpose, to create heaven on earth, to give humanity the unattainable paradise God dangles in front of them, this new found motivation drives him to become a stronger person and not accept his fate.
Very well explained! and just to add to that, the only 2 examples who attained love is Jesus "as biblical reference' and Thor "as he defined being a true warrior (you have no enemies)" , Canute did not hear the story of both and that's probably the reason why he thinks it's impossible to attain love when you're alive and made him decide to create a new paradise on earth. I only saw few reaction channel got a grasp of the explanation of loved in this anime.
8:50 If you think love means something you believe in, then hate must mean something you don't believe in, as they are polar opposites. So, if you don't believe in hate, why spread it? Why hate anyone? that is what the priest was saying but in different words unfortunately you guys didn't understand it.
When I first watched the series years ago, the prince's abrupt transition from his timid nature to a determined king felt too sudden and didn't quite convince me. Now that I'm rewatching it with you, it still feels just as unconvincing. I wish they had spent more time on the prince's transformation instead of dedicating 3-4 episodes to Askeladd's Roman roots that don't really connect to anything.
He had an epiphany, it can be jarring and seem sudden but it is not unheard of for people to change like that, his dream of Ragnar combined with the conversation with the priest motivated him and gave him a purpose.
@@assaub Of course, the conversation with the priest and the dream sequence with Ragnar were nice. However, showing more scenes like that and spending more time with the prince would have made this scene feel more believable in my eyes. Right now, everything seems to have happened and finished within 15 minutes.
@@hakankutukoglu sometimes thats all it takes, i do agree it would have been cool to get more just for the sake of it, but I wouldn't call it unconvincing when there are real world examples of people having very similar kinds of experiences completely changing their outlook, maybe they do take it to the extreme a little bit, but it is anime after all.
@@assaub My friend, unfortunately, I don't agree with you. Instead of dismissing it by saying 'it's anime,' you can want it to be handled better and in more detail, which is completely natural. After all, there are animes that do this. I'm just criticizing the shortcomings of a work that I love very much. Also, yes, many people, including myself, show such changes in the real world. But a drunken priest couldn't convince me to go to the market after a 15 minute conversation.
I think it's one of the best transitions in all of anime-psychologically and conceptually, it is highly motivated. It has been established that he took quite intensely to Christianity, whose theology seems to be in constant contradiction with the daily reality of his life. The priest, who is equally struggling with this theme, is constantly with him. If you view this through a psychological lens, it is obvious that he is in a deep personal crisis (having lost the only person who truly values him as a person) and a philosophical crisis (the theological ideas don't find an application in his world, especially when he witnesses people being brutally killed right in front of him). This can potentially lead to a spontaneous, profound change in a (real) person's belief system. Canute then rejects everything: personal relationships, the social order of the Vikings, and Christianity's doctrine of salvation. From Canute's subjective psychological view, he feels compelled to do something-these belief systems inevitably collapse when confronted with his direct, lived experiences. However, I would not recommend viewing characters in narrative fiction only through this lens. Often, broader ideas and themes are condensed into characters to make certain points or to show their abstract content in a tangible and practical way, even if a real person wouldn't act like this or that exactly. Askeladd's Roman roots are also thematically significant. I won't write another essay, but I believe it is clear that this background and Askeladd's philosophical musings are pivotal to understanding the character. Sorry for the wall of text, but I just wanted to speak in favor of this beat in the story. I really think Vinland Saga is purposeful in its narrative direction-something not very common in anime. Of course, it's absolutely fair if it didn't click with you, but I don't think it comes arbitrarily out of nowhere.
The love the priest talks about isn't the love between a man and a woman, a parent and child, etc. It's not explained super well so it does tend go over a lot of people's heads initially but the love he's referring to is unconditional love for everyone, treating everyone with kindness no matter who they are, the kind of love the bible tells Christians to practice, "thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" and what the ancient Greeks called "Agape", they had 8 different words to describe the different kinds of love (Unconditional, sexual passion/romantic, playful, deep friendship, family, enduring, self-love and obsessive love).
The priest calls what Ragnar felt for Canute discrimination because in his eyes if you put someone above others (Ragnar valuing Canute's safety over the lives of all those villagers) you are discriminating against everyone else. He blames human's inability to properly practice unconditional love on the original sin of Adam and Eve for which God punished them by kicking them out of paradise and taking away their ability to "love". The snow still falls on you no matter who you are, the sun is the same, that's why Canute says they are love, they don't treat anyone or anything differently, they don't "discriminate".
Canute is angry with God for making humans incapable of unconditional love while also insisting we practice it. "We'll never attain it, yet even then you'll still tell us to seek it?... Isn't there any way to end the suffering of your punishment other than death? Are you saying that we only exist so that we may be tested and endure?" He sees it as a test we are setup to fail so instead of trying to pass a rigged test to get into heaven, he will create his own paradise for humanity.
This is why there seems to be such a strong 180 in Canute's character. Prior to their conversation, Canute is resigned to his fate, his own father wants him dead, there is no life for him in England or Denmark, his only chance to survive is to go into exile (Ragnar told Askeladd his brother would help get Canute out of the country before he died). Through their conversation he finds new a true purpose, to create heaven on earth, to give humanity the unattainable paradise God dangles in front of them, this new found motivation drives him to become a stronger person and not accept his fate.
Very well explained! and just to add to that, the only 2 examples who attained love is Jesus "as biblical reference' and Thor "as he defined being a true warrior (you have no enemies)" , Canute did not hear the story of both and that's probably the reason why he thinks it's impossible to attain love when you're alive and made him decide to create a new paradise on earth.
I only saw few reaction channel got a grasp of the explanation of loved in this anime.
Your explanation is truly great, thanks for sharing!
7:14 the best quote is started 🔥
the true meaning of love ✨
8:50 If you think love means something you believe in, then hate must mean something you don't believe in, as they are polar opposites. So, if you don't believe in hate, why spread it? Why hate anyone? that is what the priest was saying but in different words unfortunately you guys didn't understand it.
This episode is great!
Nope. It was discrimination
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We are not married, but we speak Russian :)
When I first watched the series years ago, the prince's abrupt transition from his timid nature to a determined king felt too sudden and didn't quite convince me. Now that I'm rewatching it with you, it still feels just as unconvincing. I wish they had spent more time on the prince's transformation instead of dedicating 3-4 episodes to Askeladd's Roman roots that don't really connect to anything.
He had an epiphany, it can be jarring and seem sudden but it is not unheard of for people to change like that, his dream of Ragnar combined with the conversation with the priest motivated him and gave him a purpose.
@@assaub Of course, the conversation with the priest and the dream sequence with Ragnar were nice. However, showing more scenes like that and spending more time with the prince would have made this scene feel more believable in my eyes. Right now, everything seems to have happened and finished within 15 minutes.
@@hakankutukoglu sometimes thats all it takes, i do agree it would have been cool to get more just for the sake of it, but I wouldn't call it unconvincing when there are real world examples of people having very similar kinds of experiences completely changing their outlook, maybe they do take it to the extreme a little bit, but it is anime after all.
@@assaub My friend, unfortunately, I don't agree with you. Instead of dismissing it by saying 'it's anime,' you can want it to be handled better and in more detail, which is completely natural. After all, there are animes that do this. I'm just criticizing the shortcomings of a work that I love very much. Also, yes, many people, including myself, show such changes in the real world. But a drunken priest couldn't convince me to go to the market after a 15 minute conversation.
I think it's one of the best transitions in all of anime-psychologically and conceptually, it is highly motivated. It has been established that he took quite intensely to Christianity, whose theology seems to be in constant contradiction with the daily reality of his life. The priest, who is equally struggling with this theme, is constantly with him. If you view this through a psychological lens, it is obvious that he is in a deep personal crisis (having lost the only person who truly values him as a person) and a philosophical crisis (the theological ideas don't find an application in his world, especially when he witnesses people being brutally killed right in front of him). This can potentially lead to a spontaneous, profound change in a (real) person's belief system.
Canute then rejects everything: personal relationships, the social order of the Vikings, and Christianity's doctrine of salvation. From Canute's subjective psychological view, he feels compelled to do something-these belief systems inevitably collapse when confronted with his direct, lived experiences.
However, I would not recommend viewing characters in narrative fiction only through this lens. Often, broader ideas and themes are condensed into characters to make certain points or to show their abstract content in a tangible and practical way, even if a real person wouldn't act like this or that exactly.
Askeladd's Roman roots are also thematically significant. I won't write another essay, but I believe it is clear that this background and Askeladd's philosophical musings are pivotal to understanding the character.
Sorry for the wall of text, but I just wanted to speak in favor of this beat in the story. I really think Vinland Saga is purposeful in its narrative direction-something not very common in anime. Of course, it's absolutely fair if it didn't click with you, but I don't think it comes arbitrarily out of nowhere.