Bad Therapy: Why the Kids Aren't Growing Up | A Conversation with Abigail Shrier
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- In their efforts to ensure their children's happiness, a growing number of millennial and Gen X parents are turning to therapists, school psychologists, and other mental health professionals for help. Yet there is mounting evidence that this therapeutic turn has backfired. Rather than inculcate the virtues of self-discipline and independence, these efforts have yielded a generation of children filled with anxiety, isolation, and a profound sense of helplessness-and in her new book "Bad Therapy: Why the Kids Aren’t Growing Up," Abigail Shrier explains why.
After speaking with hundreds of parents and adolescents, drawing on psychiatric studies and literature, in addition to her own lived experience with friends and family, Abigail offers a powerful critique of the booming mental health industry, and offers an alternate vision for fostering healthy, hard-working, and resilient children. In this special episode of Manhattan Insights, The Free Press Senior Editor Emily Yoffe (moderator) sits down with Abigail to discuss her findings.
Abigail Shrier is the author of the new book, "Bad Therapy: Why the Kids Aren’t Growing Up." She received the Barbara Olson Award for Excellence and Independence in Journalism in 2021. Her best-selling book, "Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters" (2020), was named a “Best Book” by The Economist and the Times (of London). It has been translated into ten languages. She holds an A.B. from Columbia College, where she received the Euretta J. Kellett Fellowship; a B.Phil. from the University of Oxford; and a J.D. from Yale Law School. She has written for the Manhattan Institute’s City Journal for a number of years.
(Recorded on Wednesday, February 28th, 2024)
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Feels good to have my thoughts validated. I'm impressed.
@patriot4usall Yes!
They ask parents to leave the room because parents are often the cause of mental health distress. My parents contributed to increasing my anxiety and depression. My parents were neglectful. Parents do not OWN their children. Children are not extensions of the parent. Children are individuals. I am a parent myself. I found thar respecting and trusting my children did wonders to help them grow to independence.
This is a valid stance to take IF the relevant authorities are acting wisely and well.
I mostly agree with you. With one exception. The reality is that a parent does actually own their child. You write them off as a tax deduction each year just like a home, or a piece of land, and just like a large breed dog, a parent is financially responsible for the things a child does. Technically a child is property. However, the right thing to do is to raise a child as if they are not property.
If I’m the one that’s going to be held liable for the actions of my children then, yeah, I own them. When they become fully liable for their own actions then they’re on their own.
@@thomasdonohue4494 Couldn't agree more.
It turns out… "Growing up is actually the cure for adolescent angst!" (5:35)
In high school we had several bomb threats and we milked every instance of it crying to the teachers about how scared we were, anything to keep classes from resuming and as long as the teachers were eating the bs we fed it to them. This was mid 90s so I can only imagine how kids are able to coordinate crying wolf in the cell phone era...Tom Sawyer on steroids 😂
And if they do it enough they start to believe it themselves and then enter a fragility spiral.
The unemployment numbers only appear so low. It took my 20 year old son 5 months to find a part time low paying job. Politicians and academics are not in touch with what is really going on.
Yes, they are. 🙂
today you need qualifications, certificates, or anything that shows you have experience or knowledge. It is very competitive in todays economy. Thus if he wants to make it I recommend looking into trade schools (consistently always needed and fairly cheap to get your foot into school compared to an actual degree). It sucks being told at 20 that you dont have any qualifications but its true as an employeer I will take the man with experience and age over a young buck needing to learn. Plus people are more likely to hire full time rather than part time. I understand what you mean and it sucks im not saying that its not hard to find a job. Its just that it requires more effort than it used to where you could just walk up and apply for the job and get on the spot. Times are changing.
A lot of obvious issuess but in modern, bizarre world even obvious things can become controversial for some people. I like courageous authors therefore I am going to read the book.
It's smart to live with family in the current economy.
The phone thing: why can’t kids get a non-smartphone with no data, just phone?
You provided a thought-provoking and helpful survey.
the "asking about suicide doesnt increase the chance" is actually for clinicians, for psychologists and psychiatrists when someone is talking about suicide or has already done something, its for enabling that conversation in that context, it was not meant for widespread suicide questioning via forms
Hows the Swedish model that was touted as the way, turning out ? Thanks to the Author for giving this talk. As an employer employing schoolies... this is bang on. Not all kids, but knowing the family backgrounds. The difference is like night and day. ❤
I am in the mental health field, and I agree with the concerns expressed here. I would discourage any parent from taking their child or teen to a therapist. Most therapists are poorly trained (it's very easy to become a therapist) and are very biased to the very far Left. The issue also is that many states do not allow therapists to say, "You're not transgendered. Middle school is hard," as the author suggests. They can get a Board complaint and even lose their licenses for saying so. Another reason to stay far away from therapists.
1000000000% doubt you are in the "mental health field" if anything you are probably a preacher's wife who turns the other cheek while he diddles kids....thats your "mental health" background.
Very "easy" you say..well at least in my red-neck wasteland of a state here is what you need to be a therapist.
1. Acquire a bachelor’s degree
2. Earn a master's degree
3. Complete post-graduate supervision hours
4. Pass the licensing exam
SoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO easy, right ,Karen?
Instead of "being in touch with your feelings, " you should be practicing creating your feelings. Be Cause instead of Effect.
Similarly, children are 'helped' by introducing them to the subject of 'cutting', it was normalized as a coping strategy by introducing it to children otherwise unaware of the topic.
Survival instincts can be one hell of a sum bitch. Got kicked out at 17 and instantly had to lock in even if my brain didnt want to. Its the access to having a way out of any situation (living with parents, not growing up) My grandmother treated me like a flightless baby bird. Either you make it or you don't when thrown out the house and there isnt a single day that goes by that im not grateful for the tough love she gave me. It sucked but atleast I can take care of myself now and handle more stress than I would have before.
Because I said so!
what she's saying is music to the ears of obstinate bullies, abusers, rigidly and emotionally blind people who seek to strengthen enablement endorsement from society to to continue to victimize the vulnerable.
it's great to say kids need to grow up, people need to grow out of it and move on, when it's someone else. when it's something she is struggling with and would like support on, i guess that's different. that's the problem with this line of thinking, it's not honest imo
It is necessary to grow up to defend yourself against abuse. The only other alternative is to remain in a permanently childish and vulnerable state. Being angry over a fact doesn't make it not a fact.
@@dharmaqueen7877 saying there are only two options is absolutist thinking imo. you want to be vulnerable, that's how you connect with people in a healthy way. but obviously it's a balance
Unfortunately parents now are BEYOND lazy.
They would rather feed their kids pills than actually enforce boundaries and raise them.
Certain types of parents are like this and they're in the minimum group of "lazy parents".
Your statement is toward ALL parents and I'm wondering why?
they cant even put boundaries to themselves and you want them to put boundaries to their kids
Whats wrong with pills?
“No, you’re not”, that’s my response as a therapist. These kids are so messed up.
It’s not brave, or courageous to tell the truth. It’s just the truth. At the same time it is cowardly and almost traitorous to know the truth and not speak it.
Took me until my 30s to stop having night terrors about school.
Really? That's pathetic. You know, people used to have to go off to war and watch their comrades get blown to bits or have survived some horrific event to end up with PTSD. Now we, humans that is, are so mentally weak and emotionally imature that experiencing normal childhood bullying is enough to do it.😑🙄😑🙄
@@Andrea-zm1nl Or maybe you don't know jack shit and school is genuinely worse than having somebody standing next to you bisected or turned into chunky salsa, since I would actually know.
Comments arere larded. Very based talk
Bravo. All common sense.
algorithm you seem to be woefully confused
@physiologyfirst7809
you guys should do a podcast together ❤
I'm sure you're against eating meat and dairy, which are loaded with hormones.
It's extremely POOR PSYCHOLOGY
It's society at large that is to blame... All markers have been rising for generations their just coming off the rails now... Our society is broken one of the reasons their intentionally collapsing it haha
Yep the problem with Roman was all those trans kids , amrite!
Society is made up of PEOPLE.
Since when are the kids not hard working?
Since the no child left behind act made it impossible for a child to fail a subject or a grade. Since we started handing out participation trophies to everyone on a child's sports team. What we have done for almost thirty years now is teach children that all they have to do to succeed is just show up. The young people I am forced to work with can't cope with the reality that you have to actually work to get paid. I see this crap every day.
I’m getting a little tired of seeing someone push a book like this who isn’t a trained clinician. She makes valid points, but I just can’t take her seriously when she isn’t a professional clinician.
"Shrier is the daughter of Peter B. Krauser and Sherrie L. Krauser, both judges in the state of Maryland."
She is a propagandist
As an adult, therapy has really helped me. It's hard to imagine this book being anything more than propaganda for a very specific ideology. The kids saying they have "ptsd" aren't getting diagnosed by a phychiatrist, they are hearing some BS on the playground or probably Tik Tok. This book is really bordering on irresponsible because it's based on correlation and assumptions. This book isn't science based yet tries to critique science. You really can't do that and the only people that will take this seriously are folks who just have no idea and would be swayed by any kind of propaganda. You can't effectively critique 100 years of science by writing a pop science book and not doing any of you r own science, everything the author brings up in this interview is based on anecdote and assumption.
you saying kids who claim to have ptsd are being diagnosed online is a correlation based on assumptions. while i agree with you about most of your comment, its extremely reductive to have such a valid point and tarnish it with that weird bias. there are a lot of children diagnosed with mental health disorders. i have been accused of "making it up" since i first started being treated for my issues, way before the prime era of social media. one thing always remains when kids say they need help - adults come in and say they dont and their kids mirror them until its an echo chamber of "shut up" until its "why didnt they ask for help before?"
anyway
Cool well said. I just think it's obvious youth ego suicides are up... Open to discussion
I use to do therapy a lot and it was great. Back in the 90s and even 2000s everywhere you went it was always a psychiatrist or PHD level psychologist. Now it’s impossible to find therapy that isn’t done by a girl who is a few years out of college. You have to ask…why? They can’t possibly be providing the same level of care with half of the training.
It’s not science.
Your comment shows how very little you know about the creation of therapeutic practice (it is all experimentation and quite new/young compared to other ways of “helping and healing” that are time tested over thousands of years…)…just like the rest of the medical field
This book seemed more harmful than good. Goes to show how you can find research supporting just about anything
Harmful to whom?
To their snowflake brain.
@@josephalbatross5961ditto
@rinblack533 Why do you say that?
Did you read the book?