Snapping or not snapping has nothing to do with how much you rotate the hips into the kick. You can rotate as much or as little as you want for either style of kicking. Snapping a kick as the karate & taekowndo practitioners like to do has to do with using a deep chamber (lots of knee bending and unbending). High level TKD who are really good at using the knee chambered snapping motion can achieve much higher foot velocities. I've held thai pads for a high level 150 lb TKD guy and he gets so much velocity that I don't feel much going into my body but he can bruise my forearms badly enough through the thai pads that the bruising lasts 10 days. A good Muay Thai kicker does not get as much velocity on impact but they drive their shins into the pads so hard that I feel my body getting folded in half and the shockwaves travel from the front of my body to the back. Which way is better? I think it depends on the target. Snapping kicks work better on the head since you don't need much to get a KO, but against the body it does more surface damage with bruising. Muay Thai kicks seem to do more internal organ damage. These are generalizations of course and most high level fighters are using something in between the Muay Thai style kick and the snapping kick. The elite level fighters can do both styles well.
Great explanation! I also feel that with the snap kick you can change target mid-air more easily than with the thai kick.So it's a little bit more difficult for your opponent to know where the kick will land (head, body or leg). But the thai kick definitely has a lot more power. The snap kick doesn't break people's arms or ribs, but the thai kick sure can.
Karate practitioners use both snapping kicks and power kicks very similar to the Muay Thai guys. These are all generalizations and the reality is that high level fighter often use a mix of the two and alternate between them.
I disagree with your experience. I've held a kicking shield for someone at my gym and does muay thai. 13 years of it and his kick did not shake me at all. My arms rattled but not enough to wow me. I give him the bag and I kick with my all my 9 years of Taekwondo put into it. 213 pound guy goes down in a flash and I tore the bag, foam and some plastic layer comes out of it. His arm is throbbing and his side is hurting. Guy was lucky the bag cushioned the kick. My little "snap" is 1/3 of my kick and that alone can fracture or break something. The rest of the motion added, it becomes something beyond lethal.
You cannot disagree with someone else's experience. That's not how it works. You may have had a DIFFERENT experience, sure. But this doesn't make the other person's experience untrue or less valid. Further more, what you present here is barely even anecdotal evidence. There was this one time when you could kick harder than some other guy... So? What does that prove? Your 1/3 kick brakes things? Really? What exactly have you broken with your 1/3 kick?And full power - lethal of course! And how many people have you killed exactly, with your "lethal kick"? Not a single one, eh? It's all just empty talk talk talk until you prove it. So put up a video where you break things with your 1/3 kick...a baseball bat for instance. Then someone might actually believe your fancy stories. Oh, and you can leave your "lethal kick" in your dreams.
From my experience sparring in my muay thai school, muay thai roundhouse kicks are high risk/high reward. The risk is if he checks it, oh your fucked! (shin on shin wise). Snap kicks are good just to see the guys reaction time and to do set ups. However, snap kicks are low risk/low reward. It's not going to hurt your opponent. Then again, I only began in July 2016.
A lot of the elite thai guys kind mix in the snap (sort of) depending where they are hitting. Someone like Hippy singmanee described the snap as "hinge" translated in thai so they definitely incorporate it somewhat. not really cause of TKWD or anything else though just cause it comes out fast. still power kick are almost always favored.
I have seen Thai practitioners that use both, or habitually even use the snap style especially for head kicks. I think the advantage of the snap style is that it is easier to throw multiple kicks or to redirect the kick. Probably less powerful though. This is just my opinion not based on any rigorous studies or analysis.
@@clipdrift Lerdsila and Saenchai are 2 great examples.They are masters of deception and usually use the snap kick to see the opponent's reaction and to exploit that reaction using thai kicks after.They are mostly known for the question mark kick,a TKD signature move and they even knocked people with it.
What are you thoughts on a 'snap' kick that involves a full hip pivot like you are describing with the thai kick, but still involves rechambering the leg afterward to reduce catches? That is the method I was taught to use at my TKD school, though it isn't so popular with the olympic TKD folks for sure. The snap kick you showed with little pivot is more illustrative of the olympic tkd kick.
the Thai kick is basically superior in force to the snap kick which can be quicker. Snaps main advantages are that it is more controlled/accurate,less likely to be caught and they can be quicker off the leading leg. However they really lack any real utility outside of competitions like points based sparring. you can turn the hip with snaps as well with a snap as well but it will not achieve the same power as a tasi kick. The key difference is you throw Thai kicks using more body weight and aim past your opponent. A snap kick usually has far less power and because it is more controlled & will only meet the target, then quickly withdraw and flex the leg back (hence the snap). Another major difference is that snaps tend to use more of the instep whilst Thai delivers the the kick through your shin. If you kick a heavy bag with either kick you will learn that the snap kick had limitations in the power it can deliver through the instep.
@@kyokushinavocadosoup3595 the snap kick may cause some K.O.s but you're more likely to find a thai kick ending the fight more than straditional 'snap' kick since the thai kick has more power into it.
He meant the Karate and TKD style of kicking where you turn your hips point the knee at the person then kick your leg out then bring it back chambered.
Both. The concept of Muay Thai is to be a complete weapon using all 8 limbs, so it's important to focus on all aspects of your game - boxing, kicking, clinching, defense etc.
xxXNoName98Xxx Kicking scores alot more... and is a staple in traditional Muay Thai. However , if you watch traditional thai fighters that know Western boxing, you'll see its effectiveness.
The Dutch made Muay Thai what it is today...they almost never used hands before the Dutch kickboxers merged it into kickboxing...the Muay Thai of today is actually Dutch Kickboxing...
What about a hybrid Thai/snap kick, you snap but you turn the hip over, have you used this? You don't spin completely if you miss just land with you kicking leg as your lead leg...also if checked, it doesn't hurt as much... thoughts please? :)
Snapping or not snapping has nothing to do with how much you rotate the hips into the kick. You can rotate as much or as little as you want for either style of kicking. Snapping a kick as the karate & taekowndo practitioners like to do has to do with using a deep chamber (lots of knee bending and unbending). High level TKD who are really good at using the knee chambered snapping motion can achieve much higher foot velocities.
I've held thai pads for a high level 150 lb TKD guy and he gets so much velocity that I don't feel much going into my body but he can bruise my forearms badly enough through the thai pads that the bruising lasts 10 days. A good Muay Thai kicker does not get as much velocity on impact but they drive their shins into the pads so hard that I feel my body getting folded in half and the shockwaves travel from the front of my body to the back. Which way is better? I think it depends on the target. Snapping kicks work better on the head since you don't need much to get a KO, but against the body it does more surface damage with bruising. Muay Thai kicks seem to do more internal organ damage.
These are generalizations of course and most high level fighters are using something in between the Muay Thai style kick and the snapping kick. The elite level fighters can do both styles well.
Great explanation! I also feel that with the snap kick you can change target mid-air more easily than with the thai kick.So it's a little bit more difficult for your opponent to know where the kick will land (head, body or leg). But the thai kick definitely has a lot more power. The snap kick doesn't break people's arms or ribs, but the thai kick sure can.
Alphaone99 ahh hell yeah it does...in competition with shin guards it's brutal to get kicked in the body by a good full contact karate striker...
Karate practitioners use both snapping kicks and power kicks very similar to the Muay Thai guys. These are all generalizations and the reality is that high level fighter often use a mix of the two and alternate between them.
I disagree with your experience. I've held a kicking shield for someone at my gym and does muay thai. 13 years of it and his kick did not shake me at all. My arms rattled but not enough to wow me. I give him the bag and I kick with my all my 9 years of Taekwondo put into it. 213 pound guy goes down in a flash and I tore the bag, foam and some plastic layer comes out of it. His arm is throbbing and his side is hurting. Guy was lucky the bag cushioned the kick. My little "snap" is 1/3 of my kick and that alone can fracture or break something. The rest of the motion added, it becomes something beyond lethal.
You cannot disagree with someone else's experience. That's not how it works. You may have had a DIFFERENT experience, sure. But this doesn't make the other person's experience untrue or less valid.
Further more, what you present here is barely even anecdotal evidence. There was this one time when you could kick harder than some other guy... So? What does that prove?
Your 1/3 kick brakes things? Really? What exactly have you broken with your 1/3 kick?And full power - lethal of course! And how many people have you killed exactly, with your "lethal kick"? Not a single one, eh?
It's all just empty talk talk talk until you prove it. So put up a video where you break things with your 1/3 kick...a baseball bat for instance. Then someone might actually believe your fancy stories.
Oh, and you can leave your "lethal kick" in your dreams.
From my experience sparring in my muay thai school, muay thai roundhouse kicks are high risk/high reward. The risk is if he checks it, oh your fucked! (shin on shin wise). Snap kicks are good just to see the guys reaction time and to do set ups. However, snap kicks are low risk/low reward. It's not going to hurt your opponent. Then again, I only began in July 2016.
Johnny Lira still correct 😁
Johnny Lira Sö After years of shin conditioning you can take some checkings without a problem. Still find it pretty painful without the safeties on.
Funny stuff Chris & Sean!! Blooper reel was longer than the ? and answer segment Lol! Shirts look Badass on you guys!!!
Haha yea the first shoot of the day is always the toughest!
Thanks you guys that you love my Fighting Culture ......Muay Thai !!!
Thanks for demonstrating, it really helped me understand!
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A lot of the elite thai guys kind mix in the snap (sort of) depending where they are hitting. Someone like Hippy singmanee described the snap as "hinge" translated in thai so they definitely incorporate it somewhat. not really cause of TKWD or anything else though just cause it comes out fast. still power kick are almost always favored.
I have seen Thai practitioners that use both, or habitually even use the snap style especially for head kicks. I think the advantage of the snap style is that it is easier to throw multiple kicks or to redirect the kick. Probably less powerful though. This is just my opinion not based on any rigorous studies or analysis.
iam interested. can you tell me a thai practitioner that also uses a snap kick ?
@@clipdrift Lerdsila and Saenchai are 2 great examples.They are masters of deception and usually use the snap kick to see the opponent's reaction and to exploit that reaction using thai kicks after.They are mostly known for the question mark kick,a TKD signature move and they even knocked people with it.
u r right...both are useful
the banter between you guys reminded me of the Talking It Up skit from SNL, with Jimmy Fallon and Timberlake
What are you thoughts on a 'snap' kick that involves a full hip pivot like you are describing with the thai kick, but still involves rechambering the leg afterward to reduce catches? That is the method I was taught to use at my TKD school, though it isn't so popular with the olympic TKD folks for sure. The snap kick you showed with little pivot is more illustrative of the olympic tkd kick.
I think if you can involve the hip with the 'snap' then it'll probably add more force behind it than the version I showed
I appreciate the insight, thank you.
the Thai kick is basically superior in force to the snap kick which can be quicker. Snaps main advantages are that it is more controlled/accurate,less likely to be caught and they can be quicker off the leading leg. However they really lack any real utility outside of competitions like points based sparring. you can turn the hip with snaps as well with a snap as well but it will not achieve the same power as a tasi kick. The key difference is you throw Thai kicks using more body weight and aim past your opponent. A snap kick usually has far less power and because it is more controlled & will only meet the target, then quickly withdraw and flex the leg back (hence the snap).
Another major difference is that snaps tend to use more of the instep whilst Thai delivers the the kick through your shin.
If you kick a heavy bag with either kick you will learn that the snap kick had limitations in the power it can deliver through the instep.
SKMDizzle when you kick to the body and the snap up to the head the torque of your leg and body will almost always deal a KO..
@@kyokushinavocadosoup3595 the snap kick may cause some K.O.s but you're more likely to find a thai kick ending the fight more than straditional 'snap' kick since the thai kick has more power into it.
He meant the Karate and TKD style of kicking where you turn your hips point the knee at the person then kick your leg out then bring it back chambered.
heyy sean i was wondering if you could post a tutorial video on shadowboxing
I'll see what I can do!
loved the bloopers s
just like a real training session.Geat hook up muay thai mondays.
What do you think is more useful for attaking (in muay thai)
Boxing or kicking?
On what would you concentrate more?
Both. The concept of Muay Thai is to be a complete weapon using all 8 limbs, so it's important to focus on all aspects of your game - boxing, kicking, clinching, defense etc.
Sean Fagan okayii thank you very much for your answer!
Keep up the good work it helps alot!;D
xxXNoName98Xxx Kicking scores alot more... and is a staple in traditional Muay Thai. However , if you watch traditional thai fighters that know Western boxing, you'll see its effectiveness.
The Dutch made Muay Thai what it is today...they almost never used hands before the Dutch kickboxers merged it into kickboxing...the Muay Thai of today is actually Dutch Kickboxing...
KyokushinAvocado Soup bullshit
What about a hybrid Thai/snap kick, you snap but you turn the hip over, have you used this? You don't spin completely if you miss just land with you kicking leg as your lead leg...also if checked, it doesn't hurt as much... thoughts please? :)
Yea there are a number of variations to throw the kick, not sure if I've used that style before though
Great information Sean.
Thank you Wayne!
ty i noticed difference in time 1:53
Hey Sean. When did you start Muay Thai?
2010 I believe
great bloopers. lol
Why is saenchais leg at a 90-100°angle? Isn't that bent? I thought muay thai kicks are almost straight like 150-160°
Good video
Hey Sean I'm wondering what is your height and weight?
I'm 5'9 160lbs usually
+Sean Fagan (Muay Thai Guy) Thanks for ansver. I really apreciate how much effort you put in for the sport.
lol how old is yodsanklai?! that clip looked like it was from the 70s lol
I want to show you my technique in muayThai shadow boxing
Snap kicks suck because they lack power; even to the head it doesn't do much damage
Then you aren't doing them correctly. Just like the guy in this video.
"fucking snap kick" . lol
This video made my day. Lol. Please don't edit any of your videos ever again
I don’t understand... you don’t want me to edit?
@@seanfagan I believe he means to never remove the bloopers/mistakes? I think. It's nice to have a good laugh once and awhile
@@seanfagan I believe he means to never remove the bloopers/mistakes? I think. It's nice to have a good laugh once and awhile
Love it.lol
sean fuck snap kick, muay thai kick all the way bro
fuckin eh muay thai mondays
Why?? Bruce Lee used snap kick :(
He also used the Thai kick in two of his movies
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