Agreed, I hope they continue to open things up from the grid into the chain. I could imagine a Grid+ module that gives you access to build things as you like within the Grid, and then also allows you to build a sort of "presentation view", selecting which Grid modules get surfaced into the chain, rearrange them as makes sense, etc. This would help bridge one more of the gaps between the Grid and Max 4 Live. If such a thing existed, then Polymer, Sweep, and Filter+ could be removed, as they would basically just be presets of the new Grid+.
It's not a simple thing to predict what user's would want to be able to surface in the device channel, but a UI design system for the Grids and Remote Controls would be a big, big upgrade. Also, I really want a selector modulator that snaps discretely to N different states. A knob with detents, if you will.
Thank you for the very informative update! As so often I'm surprised by the sheer possibilities you explore, which I would otherwise have overlooked. Was thinking about the filter visualization; I remember a recent video about some plugin synth that solved the problem of space on the interface by visualizing the filter in a transparent overlay on top of the controls.
Missing visualtization in the new filter can be sort of fixed. - Put Tool in the Pre FX slot. - Put Spectrum in the Post FX slot. - Turn on B and select FIlter+/Sweep Chains -> Pre FX -> Tool as a source. - Save as default preset.
I just wish they'd make a Presentation mode in the Grid, like in Max/MSP where you could hide all the wires and certain modules and move the visible modules around.
By the way the output gain in Sweep and Filter+ is in the inspector ("Wet Gain"). That really confused me. In think that control is so important it really should be on the device itself as you said. Great video as usual :)
This seems like a side effect of having a portable 'dawproject' ... that they cannot port a abstract grid setup to another daw, so they are offering structured grids ... which like you said is smart; I too hope they open this up.
I think the LFO Module is another preview of the "sections" where you can build your own device containers. Like you said, it seems they are heading forward to a "device construction set". If Bitwig would start talking about that, they could start a hype where the community would be very euphoric about.
You can use some brown / white noise as input and visualize what the new filters are doing with them, via frequency spectrum or - what I find easier to visually grasp - a spectrogram where you can also see this over time.
I agree, I love this direction they’re taking of “structured grid module containers”. Hopefully they’ll expand on this concept more to where we can have container “blueprints” that can be loaded with a broader variety of modules. I also agree that the LFO section seems misplaced…what is it doing that can’t be done with modulators? Seems like a better use for the space could be found. I’m noticing that Sweep and Filter+ are heavy on the cpu, which seems odd given that they’re essentially just composed of a few grid modules. Have you noticed that as well?
It could be advanced anti-aliasing that makes them CPU heavy. Or maybe they're running in debug mode as they're still in beta. I would wait until stable release to make any judgements on performance.
@PolarityMusic I think, the LFOs are in the device, because they are hardwired in the patch itself. Like Polymer , you can convert those devices into FX Grid via mouse click, and the LFOs are patched there with cables to different points, which would perhaps not be possible with the modulators…
Maybe with the LFO, they are trying to do two things. Provide a nudge to people nervous about modulators to start using them, and also, I notice these "block" devices, they kind of line up with blocks on a synthesizer "batteries included". I can somewhat see that it could be more intuitive for some people. But yeah, I agree it's somewhat redundant. It will be really nice when it's open ended.
it makes the interface easier to use for sure and you dont accidentally delete the modulator setup and evaporate half of the device features. i can see the thoughts behind it, but it still feels weird in a way :D
I think the LFO from grid is used there because there is the phase shift for left and right channel which i dont think is present on the modulator LFOs (would love if it was though)
+1 for having dynamic grid modules in a Polymer type device. This is my most desired feature and I thought this is where they were going with it. Doesn't make sense to just limit us to their pre-configured devices.
If your on the upgrade plan make sure they dont charge you twice. 3 years in a row this has happened to me. 300 bucks a year to upgrade plan, fk.... Anyways, beta 1 seems like its full of issues. At least for me. Oh, and this update makes it look like traktion
Yeah I never understood why they didn't add the curve into filter. The Bitwig team makes some super interesting choices haha. Maybe they get high before a beta release?
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Just saw that sweep and filter+ have "wet gain" in the inspector.
Agreed, I hope they continue to open things up from the grid into the chain. I could imagine a Grid+ module that gives you access to build things as you like within the Grid, and then also allows you to build a sort of "presentation view", selecting which Grid modules get surfaced into the chain, rearrange them as makes sense, etc. This would help bridge one more of the gaps between the Grid and Max 4 Live. If such a thing existed, then Polymer, Sweep, and Filter+ could be removed, as they would basically just be presets of the new Grid+.
It's not a simple thing to predict what user's would want to be able to surface in the device channel, but a UI design system for the Grids and Remote Controls would be a big, big upgrade.
Also, I really want a selector modulator that snaps discretely to N different states. A knob with detents, if you will.
I second your call for the devices being customizable.
Thank you for the very informative update! As so often I'm surprised by the sheer possibilities you explore, which I would otherwise have overlooked.
Was thinking about the filter visualization; I remember a recent video about some plugin synth that solved the problem of space on the interface by visualizing the filter in a transparent overlay on top of the controls.
Missing visualtization in the new filter can be sort of fixed.
- Put Tool in the Pre FX slot.
- Put Spectrum in the Post FX slot.
- Turn on B and select FIlter+/Sweep Chains -> Pre FX -> Tool as a source.
- Save as default preset.
I just wish they'd make a Presentation mode in the Grid, like in Max/MSP where you could hide all the wires and certain modules and move the visible modules around.
By the way the output gain in Sweep and Filter+ is in the inspector ("Wet Gain").
That really confused me. In think that control is so important it really should be on the device itself as you said.
Great video as usual :)
yes thats a bit too hidden :D
This seems like a side effect of having a portable 'dawproject' ... that they cannot port a abstract grid setup to another daw, so they are offering structured grids ... which like you said is smart; I too hope they open this up.
I think the LFO Module is another preview of the "sections" where you can build your own device containers. Like you said, it seems they are heading forward to a "device construction set". If Bitwig would start talking about that, they could start a hype where the community would be very euphoric about.
Polymer is great and I can exchange a lot of things without using the Grid 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
You can use some brown / white noise as input and visualize what the new filters are doing with them, via frequency spectrum or - what I find easier to visually grasp - a spectrogram where you can also see this over time.
I agree, I love this direction they’re taking of “structured grid module containers”. Hopefully they’ll expand on this concept more to where we can have container “blueprints” that can be loaded with a broader variety of modules.
I also agree that the LFO section seems misplaced…what is it doing that can’t be done with modulators? Seems like a better use for the space could be found.
I’m noticing that Sweep
and Filter+ are heavy on the cpu, which seems odd given that they’re essentially just composed of a few grid modules. Have you noticed that as well?
It could be advanced anti-aliasing that makes them CPU heavy. Or maybe they're running in debug mode as they're still in beta. I would wait until stable release to make any judgements on performance.
For that you have the Grid. I think the did it that way to make it more logical and easy do only allow choosing things that make sense.
Looks like such a good update. Looking forward to trying it out!
@PolarityMusic I think, the LFOs are in the device, because they are hardwired in the patch itself. Like Polymer , you can convert those devices into FX Grid via mouse click, and the LFOs are patched there with cables to different points, which would perhaps not be possible with the modulators…
Maybe with the LFO, they are trying to do two things. Provide a nudge to people nervous about modulators to start using them, and also, I notice these "block" devices, they kind of line up with blocks on a synthesizer "batteries included". I can somewhat see that it could be more intuitive for some people. But yeah, I agree it's somewhat redundant. It will be really nice when it's open ended.
it makes the interface easier to use for sure and you dont accidentally delete the modulator setup and evaporate half of the device features. i can see the thoughts behind it, but it still feels weird in a way :D
I think the LFO from grid is used there because there is the phase shift for left and right channel which i dont think is present on the modulator LFOs (would love if it was though)
yea it makes the interface easier for sure and they wanted to make it part of the device
+1 for having dynamic grid modules in a Polymer type device. This is my most desired feature and I thought this is where they were going with it. Doesn't make sense to just limit us to their pre-configured devices.
There is wet gain in the inspector panel
Great... like all filters and new stuff. It would be great to get a kind of template where we can put Grid stuff. Thank you...great excursion!
In bezug auf den LFO in der Sweep Device: kann die Device Voice Stacking? dann könnte der LFO auch multi-timbral sein bzw mehrere voices haben?
im neuen video! geht ja, sind ja auch grid devices quasi! ua-cam.com/video/zXrKxQggokI/v-deo.html
If your on the upgrade plan make sure they dont charge you twice. 3 years in a row this has happened to me. 300 bucks a year to upgrade plan, fk....
Anyways, beta 1 seems like its full of issues. At least for me.
Oh, and this update makes it look like traktion
(((( AAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUUU ))))
Hell yeah
Filter +- 😂😂😂
Dang, my plan ran out on the 10th 😮
:(
Yeah I never understood why they didn't add the curve into filter. The Bitwig team makes some super interesting choices haha. Maybe they get high before a beta release?
Wawels. XD