HMP Prescoed
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
- What is going on everybody, this is TGA, and in this video. we visit another prison, this time it's an open prison, known as HMP Prescoed, it is a satelite prison for HMP Usk I believe, we catch some real tyrants here, threatened with arrest, a prison officer thinking he can detain me, the lot. Absolutely disgusting, prison service are never gonna learn it seems.
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This is the only prison that I've worked where you can drive in and don't have to lock up your mobile at the reception. It's also the first prison where I heard a prisoners mobile ringing from inside their cell. I panicked because I thought I'd forgotten to leave mine in the glovebox.
Yeah they seem to have changed their tune now
they were distressed that a man with his face covered was at the prison gate so they sent one female officer at first to sort it out
Crazy - might be a terrorist, a gang member etc... send single constable.
The real answer to "If you're not doing anything wrong, why not give your name?" is: "How do you know if you're not doing anything wrong?" There are more laws and than even lawyers know! That's a reason not to talk the police as well. You never know when you might confess to a crime.
It should also be noted that even lawful activities can be escalated to crimes - for instance, Stalking laws; i.e. repetitive behaviours which can be construed as harassment. That's the heart of questions like "Do you go to a lot of prisons?"
NB: Auditors follow a scripted set of answers which generally protects them from accidental confessions.
if a citizen journalist is filming a prison has part of their job then they have every right to do it, not sure what you're talking about it being harassment for, i visit 7 sites all belonging to the same company per week, does this mean i'm harassing them if i'm doing my job and my job is at these sites ?, then how can a journalist or camera man be charged with harassment for doing their job at the places their job is at ?
@@25242824 It's true that legalisation exists which can turn behaviour which is legal into a potential crime IF that behaviour becomes repetitive. I'm not saying it should be like that.
Were I to be filming the same person all day, whenever they left their home, following them around, that could be called harassment - even if the person filming is a "citizen journalist"; and the subject a minor celebrity (or something).
I agree that it shouldn't be happening in the case of filming public officials and buildings; but "shouldn't" never stops the police from trying.
Take the case of Audit Ed in Bristol is (or was) given a Protection order and prevented from filming police and security - or even filming in the city centre - on the basis that his actions were "harassment".
To answer your question "how can".... It can very easily be done and has been done. Therefore saying "I record all the prisons" can be used as justification for suspicion.
The point I'm making is that "Give your name if you're not doing anything wrong" is terrible advice because you can never know whether something you say could be twisted into suspicion. Even if it's not "wrong", your name can easily end up on a terrorist watch list on those grounds.
Got to admire the balls on the PO for saying his name was none of your business and then asking for ID
It's also against the law for prison guards to bring drugs in for the prisoners but they do it regularly all the time......
And sleeping with inmates.
You are talking utter garbage.
Watching these videos is rather depressing when all you see are stupid public servants.
When the prison staff watch this video and see the comments they'll realize they are.
This was a good one.
I thought those guards were actually going to detain you at one point, paranoid as f**k they were.
Terrible bunch, I wouldn’t have let him, thanks Rightful
In some countries you'd be shot for this, not just arrested.
if a copper turned up to me and gave me the attitude she gave you i wouldn't have even spoken to her, i would have walked off and completely ignored her,
are you going to inform me you are filming.
are you ?.
can you identify yourself then ?.
can you ?
okay constable this conversation is over, goodbye
Absolutely correct, buddy. If they don’t comply with the law or their own policies they need to be told to sod off and refuse to engage. I don’t understand why auditors give them so much engagement and allow stupid conversations to even take place.
🤣🤣🤣 strange, mysterious man with a mask outside a prison... Let's send a tiny confused female with a script.... That'll sort it.
The PC was excellent at reminding you of things you already knew.
@GJ: Also she was reminding him of things he already knew.
It's all about control, nothing else
One mans dominance over another innit
The flapper on the motorcycle left his IQ at home, nothing for that helmet to protect, and the guy in costume was as informed as a rocking horse...
More police bollox
26:02 - 26:14 she started thinking about the new max factor makeup that's on sale in Boots and whether to buy some more nail polish.
"It's against the law."
"What law."
"I dunno but I bet it is." (Just William)
1952 prison act section 40D.
1957/8 ammendments.
Guard: You need to leave the prison property.
Socrates: Is that a need for my surviving or my thriving?
Guard: It's illegal to film within a prison.
Socrates: What are you hiding in there?
Guard: I've asked you now to leave the property.
Socrates: By "asked", do you mean made a request or extended an offer?
Guard: I've asked you politely to stop filming.
Socrates: How much are you politely offering?
For the last two years we've been threatened if you don't cover your face you will be arrested blah blah blah all of a sudden you can't cover your face or it is suspicious if you do... What a wonderful world we live in
Good video TGA. I enjoyed watching this one. The prison staff seemed misinformed. The officer was unnecessarily harsh. Otherwise it was a good experience. Looking forward to your next journey mate.
Thanks so much, and yeah they were very harsh
Staff seemed well informed to me.
It's TGA that's using the "publicly accessible", and "section 33" stuff , calling prison property "public grounds", saying they need signs, not knowing screws have the power of arrest, amongst other things.
@@aireboat7988 they had no grounds to arrest or detain me is what I said as they didn’t, because I wasn’t breaking any laws, I was in a publicly accessible area that is not past the gates
@@TheGwentAuditorTGA You were on prison property. You had been, for a long time, well before you reached the gates. You had no legitimate business at the prison. You were doing filming which you knew the prison staff would object to. "Public access" is meaningless, it doesn't give you a "right" of access. Public access is by "permission" not right, and that permission would be revoked as soon as the screws clocked you filming. That pretty much amounts to an intentional trespass.
Then there's the matter of laws you might be breaking. According to the 1952 Prison Act you're not allowed to film "inside a prison".....but what is the meaning of "inside" ? Most auditors, and I'm sure yourself, would interpret it as meaning inside a secure area or inside a building.......because that suits the auditing agenda. But what if you're wrong? What if...it means "within the boundary" - of prison property..? It perfectly reasonable to see it that way. If fact a judge may very well do just that. He would look at what was intended when the legislation was written. But...not you, me, or the prison staff actually know for sure. It might be worth asking Marti what he thinks, because I believe him and a few chums are currently awaiting trial for it. So, the fact remains, you "may" have been committing an offence....or you may not, but until it's clarified in court we only have opinions, nobody knows for sure.
@@aireboat7988 shouldn’t it be worded differently then to include within the boundry? That’s the problem with these loosely worded acts
"There's no reason to cover your face". Two years ago you got a fine if you didn't cover your face!
Last 2 years muzzled up
A year ago she would have been asking him why he WASN'T wearing a mask !!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣i
29:21 - 29:30 thinking about whether to book herself into the hair dressers now
Been watching your Audits for a while now and have finally subscribed.Some of the top UK Auditors have ventured into Wales and Scotland and Northern Ireland, so I thought it best to get it straight for the horse's mouth. Excellent Audits, and may your channel thrive to the 3k mark.
Thanks so much
Good watch TGA. Your quite right if anybody is going to bring up the law they should have the evidence and knowledge to back it up. Nicely handled by yourself and is a shame to see staff couldn’t be as professional
When did they privatise the prison service then ? I never heard about that? It's civil trespass, the police cannot do anything about that. Imagine a PC using the term no worries. So unprofessional.
A lot of the prison service is privatized. Has been for donkeys years. Even so, all prison property is classed as private whether its privately run or not.
8:33 tells you "YOU MUST STOP FILLING" and "YOU MUST LEAVE" then says "i'm asking you politely" - does he mean he could be using violence?
why did you approach her?
the sign behind you has ALL VISITORS REPORT TO THE GATE OFFICER. So to me that means the public is allowed up to that point
You are only allowed if you have booked a visit
I loved it when StreetHawk was trying to gee up his mate to detain you for jack shid lol, bunch of whoppers just making stuff up as they go along lol 😂
OMG showing your age..!
I thought I was the only one that remembered Streethawk.
@@aireboat7988 I’m just glad someone got it 🤣
@@thecornedbeefcouncil9792 It's a very sad fact that the name "Norman Tuttle" will always stick in my head as the chap in the show who built it.
I’ve watched back recently and it’s….awful
So....the quick edit at the start when you saw a sign that looked suspiciously like one saying “No Mobile Phones”?
OOOH well if the sign said it that must be correct......absolute nonsense
I've delivered here - it's in the middle of nowhere.
You are totally wrong when you start quoting the Public Order Act 1986. The bit about publicly accessible in that Act relates to public order offences, not the ability to video in public. What that means is that you can be convicted of a public order offence in a publicly accessible place even though you might not be on the highway.
Likewise with it's actually Section 33 (I believe you said 32) of the Criminal Justice Act 1972. This is concerned with the definition of a public place when you are wearing a uniform and attending a political demonstration. That has nothing to do with the right to video.
There is an implied permission for you to go up to their front door or entrance and enquire whether you may be admitted in order to undertake your lawful business. If they tell you to leave you are then a trespasser and they may use the necessary minimum force to make you leave.
Guard: This isn't publicly accessible.
Socrates: Then how did the public gain access?
It doesn't matter one jot if the public have access or not. Its an auditing myth.
Public access to private property is by permission, not by granted right. And that permission can be revoked.
Auditors seem to think "public access" gives you a "right" to be there, and to film. They're wrong, it doesn't.
@@aireboat7988 a correct and sensible answer for once.
28:06, she says that ; to identify is a reasonable thing, however she only gave her shoulder number and not her name. Therefore all auditor's should stick a shoulder number on them self as well.
Could be an idea, and like the Met have with T, SE etc, have an A for auditor
What a lovely Police Woman.😊😊😊
Could you clarify if the prison staff ask you to leave prison property do you have to leave, given that it is Crown property and publicly accessible.
The police officer was vexed that you asked her number and what police station she was from and she's a public servant but said if you had nothing to hide why don't you identify! Double standard 😢🏴
at 29.30 you can see there is a very short attention span. cops get bored listening.
they want you to listen. so its all about criminalizing the public doing lawful activity and this cop demonstrates that clearly in how she interacts with you.
It's very green there. Some beautiful trees.
Usk is a lovely town with some nice pubs and a great Riverside park for summer picnics. Always thought it's odd that a nonce prison (hmp Usk) is slap bang in the centre.
Straight out of the 70s
Love how they say it's illegal and against the law and you just ask what law, what section and they know nothing. I can detain you, for what ? Taking photos in the prison. I'm not in the prison ! Loved the sign please report to the gatehouse, so showing it's publically accessible ! Shot down in flames. They can't bark orders at you, your not a prisoner under their rule. I bet they don't bark orders at inmates either !
You've been Prescoed!!
13:30 Guy with the motorbike says that TGA has committed a criminal offence (and has said so three times). Nope. Not a criminal offence to be on prison property outside the prison, nor to be filming at that location. So he would be committing the crime of abusing his powers and also unlawful detention if they did arrest TGA.
“I’m not going to dialogue you any more” !🤣🤣🤣
“It’s not open to visitors… expect visitors” 🤣🤣🤣 …next to a big sign saying “VISITORS REPORT TO RECEPTION”
“I’m not interesting in the Law” 🤣🤣🤣
“Which section of which Act” (my golden question, well done, see the effect !) …. Walks off without answering.
'I was gonna get the drone but the weathers a bit dodgy' - Yeah, righto.... Tell the truth.... you bottled it, simple as that!!
Finally haha I remember commenting on an earlier video. Think it was Usk and u said u were going here.well done, not watched it yet but will do now.
Prison officers have the powers of a constable to arrest, grant street bail and seize property for the purposes of criminal investigations under PACE. The powers of a constable apply to Prison Officers only and not to prison custody officers (employed by private prisons).
They need to identify to prove what powers they have , and they need to be able to state the law under which they are detaining you .
Not one of them had a clue, the blind (and ignorant ) leading the blind .
They are all dar too used to issuing orders and being obeyed
How pathetic. The prison bully didn’t want to be filmed. What if the public don’t want to be filmed by their cctv cameras. But of course they couldn’t care less about our privacy. Why on earth would we be concerned about theirs. Aren’t they satisfied with bullying the inmates?
Why are public servants so ignorant. When they ask questions they expect answers.
Mr Stephen Leak still work there? "If you want to get off the roll get down to control"
If you know.. you know…
15:15 Technically you can walk across any field. Now, you might have problems with the farmer if they spot you, but that depends on the field and the use it's being used for - if fallow then not much damage, but if it's got animals or crops then you are causing damage or harm. As for a garden, you won't walk across is because of the very strong social convention that it's something people don't do. But people to walk across fields because of campaigns like the right to roam, the desire to see the countryside, and public rights of way etc.
Well well well , what is the porpoise of a stop sign if nobody stops in the stop sign not even the police????
Another ignorant public servant who will lie through his teeth. They wouldn’t spit on you if you were on fire! Thinks he’s got power over the public. I bet he bullies the inmates
Just remember all prison staff worked throughout Covid. Caught it many times, lost fellow Officers. Many have worked in higher category prisons and sustained injuries. Show a bit of respect. Also staff have a lot of laws and regulations to remember its understandable if they can’t quote powers off the top of their head. How about you get a real job, love to see how long you and the other critics would last as Officers in HMP Cardiff.
If they know laws, how's about they stop abusing members of the public, in public. Their power is inside. Whatever they do inside, that is up to them.
You sound like you'd be better suited living in North Korea! Also HMP Cardiff has been audited! About time people started saying no were not going to blindly listen to orders
Yes but I think you should’ve gone back up to the prison gates just to prove a point
You don't need to know the specific act or law to quote what the contents are. It's like saying you can't tell somebody not to break in to your car if you don't know under which bit of legislation it falls. It's not the prison staff's job to know this, it's for the police and lawyers. Do whatever you see is exercising your rights, but saying "go on tell me, if you're going to quote it" etc is quite childish and antagonistic. Being abrasive for views only proves you know how to be a prick within the law, not that they're pricks for not knowing.
Hi G A, those soon at the side track on the way in make it entirely clear that the restrictions do not apply to where you were walking, stopping and reading all the signs is always a good idea, the first one to stop and ask you questions failed to observe the simplest civilised protocols, she should first have waited until you were ready to speak to her, then told you exactly who she is and what she wants, she could then ask you if you were willing to answer any questions, then and only then if you had consented could she have any reasonable expectation of good answers, exactly the same applies to the next ones who are just acting like tyrants, which is probably what they think is expected of them.
It is still not within their official powers to make demands of any member of the public and such behaviour deserves contempt.
The most difficult thing they have to deal with is proper understanding to what is Public Access regardless of ownership, exactly the same applies to all property unless otherwise clearly stated and sign-posted with effective barriers.
When he tells you he is asking you forcefully that suggests that he knows he is being a tyrant.
They also do not understand the difference between a public servant and a member of the public.
Altogether they are just getting everything completely wrong, there are no circumstances where you have to believe anything he says, especially when his attitude is so aggressive.
You did a very good job of standing your ground, I would have had difficulty keeping my temper!.
In the end they have to give up!, well done. I do hope that the people responsible for their training take some notice of this and act accordingly.
Cheers, Richard.
28:30 omg, did she really just quote naxi germany? (misspelled on purpose)
It’s criminal law, hilarious biker boy
He was right though.
Maybe he didn't know the actual legislation, but it exists.
I see Barry sheen buggered off
Great surrounding land and sounds of nature. Shame it's full of...mmm. Your channel getting there now. Well done 👍.
The number one thing that you have to understand when going to film any prison is that you are dealing with staff who have dangerously low IQ levels
Did you go back to the entrance to find out if the Insecurity Guards had been taught the law?
They have powers of arrest for indictable offences ONLY, trespass is not even a summary offence.
Can you be mindful of their feelings but don't worry about then threatening to put hands on you and arrest you holding you captive. The mind of police boggles 🚨🙄🙄
Notice how motorbike boy wanted u arrested but didn't have the bottle to do it himself
Bruv great audit, keep up the fight bro loving it
Wonder if easy jet has permissions to flow over
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There doesnt seem to be any footage of this place. Id like to see the conditions inside, what the cells are like and the regime. This is from the perspective of a victim who needs to know what will happen to the perp
Smack heads and grasses getting it to 🥊💪👑
They asked you to leave but threatened to detain you ??? HMP Butthurt
Camera's have become plods worst enemy and they know it that includes the screws too they can't hide anymore.
How come there is a sign on the wall saying 'all visitors' report to the gate officer....!!!!!!
Something very attractive about the pc’s face. Keep up the good work.
15:20 O M G he doesn't even know you can walk anywhere you want?!?!!???! What country is that guard from? He doesn't even know his most basic freedoms
11:50 A prison officer does have the power of arrest. But for a crime, not because of a civil tort. And they are limited to only arresting escaping prisoners or those helping prisoners to escape. And only around a prison. Outside of that their power is limited to a citizen's arrest, so only for indictable offences.
And unlike a police constable, they don't keep their powers when they are off duty.
Drone boy how very sad
If you don’t like it don’t watch.
You can actually fly above a prison if u go above there flight restrictio zone
I remember that place freezing cold wooden huts waking up too the sun has got his hat on . The good ole days :-)
Seems it was better back in the day, full of tyrant screws now
I used 2 wake up there like Jack Nicholson in the shining then when I got out in October they put the heaters on the besterdzzzzzzz
Time auditors become common law constables then you have the power.
29:26 you should ask her for her address and birthdate and say "if you have done nothing wrong, they you have nothing to fear"
Most people think the Welsh are a bit dim and this lot are determined to prove it. "I'm not showin ewe the sign, I'm telling ewe"
8:10 HAHA, HE JUST GOT CAUGHT IN A BALD FACED LIE!!! he's UNTRUSTWORTHY!!!!
When he says if your a decent human being what he actually means is the ones that say yes sir no sir three bags full sir.
He wouldn’t tell you who he was at work in a public office. He could be a stripper for all TGA knows. Great outfit……..
13:05 You don't need permission to film someone. In a public place or even on private land. If you needed permission, then if you were in a tourist place (which is obviously a private property) you wouldn't be able to take any pictures. Obviously not true, so you can take pictures anywhere and of anyone at anytime.
Feel like I've watched a video with motorbike fella before.
25:00 "Just to remind you" is a directive, a pointless directive other than to try and show that she is in control.
That biker was as thick as mince and vicious with it.
And that loudmouth prison officer was abysmal.
I done a runner from there in 1989 lol 7 miles across the fields into newport jumped a train home to bristol.lasted 2 months happy days
my son, now been made into a girl , but still held in male prisons like parc , then moved away so family couldnt visit , no rehab , he/ she been abused and made to live prison rules
To be honest, if someone randomly walked into my office wearing a mask, filming everything on his phone, and refusing to give his name, I'd probably call the police too. Some of our clients are vulnerable and we have to protect them. Giving this a downvote.
You obviously know very little about where you were filming. It’s called an open prison for a reason, it’s open, no fences or barriers. That doesn’t mean you can wander around at will. Why didn’t you tell the guy on the bike to do one then get yourself arrested, you could of filmed from inside then. That would of been quite entertaining. Better than the rest of the video, we learned nothing of interest about the prison or its inhabitants. What do you think you achieved.
He had no intention of going in the prison. Its all ab out filming from public accessible places. Big difference
As long as that female officer doesn’t shoot anyone or throw anyone in the river. I’m just saying! As long as she doesn’t deliberately run anymore over. Just to remind her that she can’t break the law. I’m just saying. Would she give her private details? Why not if she’s got nothing to hide? I’m just saying!
"It is illegal to film into prison property". So any car that drives past with a dashcam and happens to record inside a prison when driving past is breaking the law? I reckon that motorcycle helmet is on too tight and starved his brain of oxygen.
The law states its illegal to film "inside a prison".
Everybody has made assumptions that it means inside a building or inside a secure area. But the fact is, nobody really knows because it hasn't been tested in court. A judge might easily see it as "within the boundary" in which case, TGA would be committing an offence.
Auditors interpret the law one way, prison staff interpret it a different way. Either could be right.....or wrong.
Considering there are three UK auditors awaiting trial for said offence, it's possible some clarification may be forthcoming.
Oh nooo! - it's the 'you can see that people may be concerned' police 😁🐖
Indeed it is, once again
Best jail iv been too this one
Snap
SHE WOULDN"T EVEN GIVE HER NAME and she had the balls to say "if you have done nothing wrong, they why not give your details" - does that mean she's admitting she is doing something wrong !!!???
It's a prison not a tourist attraction.
14:40 you do need it written down from people that have already been caught lying just 3 minute prior - maybe don't LIE as a guard and your life will get better