Awesome content guys! Just finished the driving line video and now seeing from your perspective i can see why the S2000 did that time. Keep doing this awesome work, hope some day will meet you guys and have some fun with cars together! All the best.
que isso ricardinho vc por aqui? que massa agora que é um proud owner de um RX8 também, dá um gostinho especial assistir videos assim num da não? dhwauhduwada
As Ive said on the last video, RX8 did surprise many people that are not very well informed about them. Superior chassis gang :D Awesome video as always!
So now we have a better look as to why tall Ben's lap was much worse. The car is technically unfinished for track duty. Hard to put down a competitive lap when you have a lot more than a spiffy paint job to worry about. Hoping this gets a rematch with the S2K having its teething issues resolved. Doesn't need to be a Driving Line collab. I will watch it. Congrats short Ben on the RX-8
The S2000 looks incredible...before the professionally installed PPF of course! Please keep the RX-8 a grip monster/track weapon! I'd love to see how fast it can go. Maybe a turbo is the way to go...
Isnt that one of the problems with running an inline K-series? The way the oil pan and baffling is, it can starve oil... Another YTer had the same oil problem with a K-series S2000. But they fixed it with some kind of custom pan setup.
@@RiqueRacing yup been following them before they both left their 9-5 jobs & before short Ben started to modify the blue ford that he has. #Ifyouknowyouknow Waaaaaay back
He actually didn't. At the most he should have done a street port and recommended an actual good header/exhaust like racing beat. You probably meant he saved the day with the caliper. Yes he did.
The S2k can't match the RX8 on handling. I know from personal experience. 3 reasons: 1) RX-8 has a longer wheel base, 2) RX-8 can fit wider tires, 3) RX-8 has the DSC that works really well.
The rx8 is criminally underrated. Its built off a miata chassis so its a 4 door nearly 200hp 10k rpm screamer with amazing handling. Of all the fun cars ive driven in my lifetime that dam rx8 made me smile the most
Regarding the oil pressure: check your logs in the haltech. Sometimes the safety trigger goes off due to small bubbles in the oil feed causing it to think the oil pressure is low. You’ll see this as quick drops in pressure that are infrequent. You can change your sample rate to compensate for this.
Sell the R3 to someone who wants to show it. Those are rare and a lot of people appreciate them. Countless Rx-8s available with blown motors. Swap a 2.5 in and add a Turbo, let's see what the platform can do with the power it deserves
Show car? Have you seen the previous videos? I don't know in what world an old discarded R3 is show worthy or even appreciated, but I do know if any RX-8 is a driver's car it would be that one. It's doing exactly what it should be.
It's rusted and pranged. And now has a bunch of extra holes drilled in the boot lid lol. That ship has sailed. What it needs is suspension development (stock bilstein is quite good on the R3 but there is room for improvement especially once you start adding aero) and more aero, especially drag reduction to offset the lower power. Maybe a 20B swap. But that's big money. You can build the 13B MSP for >11k rpm, with balanced and lightened rotating assembly and other modifications; I've seen dubious claims of 300 whp with a ram intake and accoutrements. Even 250 whp would be huge though.
Man it’s always a good day seeing a new video from you guys. And that thumbnail is all kinds of badass……THE ONLY THING EVEN MORE BADASS IS THE SUBARU VIVIO CAFE BAR AND GRILL SEAFOOD BUFFET BISTRO SPORTS 😀
Fellow car guys are the best in the world. How many people would let you take anything off of anything and put it on yours to get through the day. Almost nobody but if you're driving a car, a car guys willing to help. One of my favorite examples is the Corvette guy who randomly dropped off a car cover. The guy thought he was throwing trash on his car. He went out inspected and there was a note saying I had one just like this here's my old cover. ❤❤❤❤ Car guys are the best
Called it on the last video lin has the better car but lil ben is the more experienced driver. If lin gets as much seat time as lil ben he'd be a monster cause his line up of cars are legit and the beat at the 4 minute mark 🔥 and seizing calipers is definitely a mazda thing when i had my speed 6 my left caliper seized so much.
Not only did you add a bunch of grip to the RX, but RX-8's are extremely well balanced. Those things will rotate on a pivot around turns. Adding all that grip just makes it faster.
Welcome to the RX8 life. I had 245 firehawks and I had to work to break them loose. A good amount of camber in the front and a overall good alignment with good suspension will make the 8 an unusually good handling car.
Renesis does not like boost. Hit up Tuned By Shawn and get his Haltech Piggyback ECU setup and add FlexFuel. Good-win Racing has a Wilwood Big Brake Kit for front and rear. And that's all you need. Well, all you can really do in order to keep some form of reliability.
Best possible outcome , they both still drive 😅.. as a car guy I 💯 % feel this is a factor every track day we worry about , especially if we use the same car to track as to daily (my dumbass) .. anyways I'm glad yal had a good time as that's what counts in the end , we all have fun and get to try again ... peace and love all, keep it rad, stay safe, and build on.. l8r famz and keep having fun
whats up with the mr2 / mrs? would love more content about it. i'm on the last corner to complete my 2zz swap. i'm already driving it around. needs some finishing touches and then... aero 😆
Both cars in this series seem to be built so haphazardly with little research into the tuning approach and part selection. I’d hazard to guess they scrambled to put these together to keep a weekly release schedule considering so many of their vehicles are blowing up.
I'd love to see the RX8 be a "driving experience" build of a car. Do things that may not be better on paper or lap times but end up giving better feel. They talk about that transmission in the S2000, why not throw it at the RX8? Why not do ITB? A proper wing setup for the ultimate grip? To go more power, engine swap, all that would miss the opportunity to go for a car that just naturally gets more headline appeal.
Pretty sure ITBs on an MSP would make it dramatically worse, reduce torque and engine responsiveness at all or nearly all RPMs. The factory intake with its runner valves is extremely well developed and hard to beat.
Every K Swap car owner 1st step remove the oil pump and balance shaft. 2nd step talk about how bad the vibrations are and how it rattles the whole car into pieces 😮😮 😂😂
@@syaieya oh I’m not knocking the K swap. I’m just bringing light to the irony of removing the balance shaft and then talking about how K series vibrate everything loose
I think the rx8s tires are bigger than it can really use. More tire doesn't always mean more better. There's a point of diminishing returns where you are widening your contact patch (side to side), but your also making it shorter (front to back). So it's not actually any bigger. And the rx8s doesn't have the weight or suspension geometry to use all of that tire. That's probably why there were strips of un-used tired on the sides. Idk about rx8s, but Im a s2000 person, and that point of diminishing returns for us is in the 265/275 territory. I'm a wrench turner tho, not some smart boi, so I could be totally wrong.
Congrats to the winner!! Go to the other channel to see who. For the rx8... well you saw unlimited grip, may as well make it an unlimited time attack build with 3 rotors. We are laking rotary content and the civic is a gltc monster so may as well do both
Turbo the RX-8, get the teething problems out of the S2000, pick another track and rematch. As for some ideas for a road-trip... Find two older cars (preferably with carburetors) and see who can make the best sleeper build out of two American road-pillows.
Yep. Like I've been saying. Rx8 is a diamond in the rough and prices will slowly start to climb as time goes on. These kids from gears and gasoline did everything possible to make the rx8 slower than stock with the bs mods that make it slower, and it still whooped the s2000 and has back seats. Gonna go enjoy mine today with 203whp STOCK
Go check out @Drivingline 's coverage to see the final times the S2K and RX8 did! ua-cam.com/video/LQOFnx9s2DY/v-deo.htmlsi=qyiYG8RTyHQctwUv
I'd love to see that RX-8 given the same all-out race car treatment the Civics got over the years, it's clearly got potential.
Its pretty close to what you xan get from the renesis. If the 20b swapped it however....
This was definitely NOT a satisfying ending to this series. The cars weren’t even finished.
Agree
There are never finished 😂.
And then they don't even show us the times.
@@5MMohderrx8 - 1:43 s2k - 1:48
@@dp.mk7419 not all heroes wear capes. Thank you o7
Awesome content guys! Just finished the driving line video and now seeing from your perspective i can see why the S2000 did that time. Keep doing this awesome work, hope some day will meet you guys and have some fun with cars together! All the best.
Titio ACF tiraria mais que 188 cv desse RX8, hein?
oloko o acf aqui KKKKKK
que isso ricardinho vc por aqui? que massa
agora que é um proud owner de um RX8 também, dá um gostinho especial assistir videos assim num da não? dhwauhduwada
Spoiler Alert, Ben is the Winner!!!!
Lol
@DouglasChonk I see what you did there 😂😂
Dwl. Is that so? Lol
Uhhhhh, you're so lame bro😭😭😭😭😭😭You ruined it, the whole video😂😂😂😂
Helll yeah!
Track times
Tall Ben time - 1:48.4
Short Ben time - 1:43.2
ROFL F to the s2k what a fail
thanks
The S2k turned out so well. To think that it was completely bashed and destroyed but now its so pretty. Great looking and sounding car 👍
As Ive said on the last video, RX8 did surprise many people that are not very well informed about them. Superior chassis gang :D Awesome video as always!
How is the rx8 a superior chassis?
So now we have a better look as to why tall Ben's lap was much worse. The car is technically unfinished for track duty. Hard to put down a competitive lap when you have a lot more than a spiffy paint job to worry about.
Hoping this gets a rematch with the S2K having its teething issues resolved. Doesn't need to be a Driving Line collab. I will watch it. Congrats short Ben on the RX-8
I think Mark could beat the RX-8
Yeah cause Ben is a little bxtch and is scared to drive his Honda.
Did not have the RX8 being more reliable than a Honda on my bingo card this year😂
The S2000 looks incredible...before the professionally installed PPF of course!
Please keep the RX-8 a grip monster/track weapon! I'd love to see how fast it can go. Maybe a turbo is the way to go...
A turbo up to about 7psi is doable with a renesis. Otherwise they need a REW or Turbo II engine.
Engine can handle it. However, the transmission is the biggest issue, considering it's basically just a NC Miata transmission
@@SkylineLofe Engine can handle ~6PSI. After that, it's a matter of time before kaboom. Better to REW swap (easy to say that).
@@TexasVexesor hybrid it, mixing rew and renesis
turbo renesis is never the answer unfortunately. however, the rotating assembly is quite light so they can rev pretty high
Rx8's got potential. Please keep pushing the rotary we all wanna see what an rx8 can do in the right hands!!!
Isnt that one of the problems with running an inline K-series? The way the oil pan and baffling is, it can starve oil... Another YTer had the same oil problem with a K-series S2000. But they fixed it with some kind of custom pan setup.
Not sure how he's not running into cavitation. 10-30 is also a thin oil for that temp
3:21 that Evo jumping scene was nuts
I love the fact that ben thorn is wearing a honda shirt while driving a mazda
A great way to start off the morning is with a G&G video
I definitely want more Hondas. An EP3 would be great.
Yes my Saturday morning cartoon has started. I think if Ben Lin has more seat time in that S2000 he’ll definitely be faster.
I didn't know you tuned in to G&G
@@RiqueRacing yup been following them before they both left their 9-5 jobs & before short Ben started to modify the blue ford that he has. #Ifyouknowyouknow Waaaaaay back
@@LifestyleSettingz that's a long time. Same here
👀
@@the4thgen_tfl what u doing over here?😂🤣
RAD Potential saves the day!!!
He actually didn't. At the most he should have done a street port and recommended an actual good header/exhaust like racing beat.
You probably meant he saved the day with the caliper. Yes he did.
The S2k can't match the RX8 on handling. I know from personal experience. 3 reasons: 1) RX-8 has a longer wheel base, 2) RX-8 can fit wider tires, 3) RX-8 has the DSC that works really well.
RX8 does have great dsc but it will not improve lap times if it engages
Going to be looking at an AP2 S2000 for myself today, this video was the perfect way to start off my morning!
Those tires play a huge role in the outcome. It's the route Ben didn't want to take.
As I scream at the screen three rotor ? Both cars sounding good keep up the amazing work gents.
The rx8 is criminally underrated. Its built off a miata chassis so its a 4 door nearly 200hp 10k rpm screamer with amazing handling. Of all the fun cars ive driven in my lifetime that dam rx8 made me smile the most
Good to see you guys having fun! Also good to meet tall Ben at a 10k this morning!
Like an anime, many build up episodes but now we're here!
As a rx8 r3 owner, this was satisfying. Thank you guys
This video is so much better than what we got from Driving Line.. Good Job guys..
"BENS TRYING DESPERATELY TO BUST"
🤣🤣🤣
Both cars looks awesome on track.👌Love it!
I will admit being wrong about having that much tire on the rx-8. This was great to watch!
i can't get over y'alls cinematography. i love saturday mornings
Good GOD that s2000 sounded amazing. Those ITBs at high RPM 😮💨
Both cars look and sound incredible. Well done boys.
This S200 looks amazing 😍
"Bens trying desperately to bust" XD
Regarding the oil pressure: check your logs in the haltech. Sometimes the safety trigger goes off due to small bubbles in the oil feed causing it to think the oil pressure is low. You’ll see this as quick drops in pressure that are infrequent. You can change your sample rate to compensate for this.
This is great hopefully you turn this 2 into a roadtrip its yhe best part of your show
Definitely turbo the rx8!!
Love seeing this vid after the battle
Awwww baby we’re ing for a good one! 2 of my favorite cars of all time
Sell the R3 to someone who wants to show it. Those are rare and a lot of people appreciate them.
Countless Rx-8s available with blown motors. Swap a 2.5 in and add a Turbo, let's see what the platform can do with the power it deserves
Show car? Have you seen the previous videos? I don't know in what world an old discarded R3 is show worthy or even appreciated, but I do know if any RX-8 is a driver's car it would be that one. It's doing exactly what it should be.
It's rusted and pranged. And now has a bunch of extra holes drilled in the boot lid lol. That ship has sailed.
What it needs is suspension development (stock bilstein is quite good on the R3 but there is room for improvement especially once you start adding aero) and more aero, especially drag reduction to offset the lower power.
Maybe a 20B swap. But that's big money. You can build the 13B MSP for >11k rpm, with balanced and lightened rotating assembly and other modifications; I've seen dubious claims of 300 whp with a ram intake and accoutrements. Even 250 whp would be huge though.
Man it’s always a good day seeing a new video from you guys. And that thumbnail is all kinds of badass……THE ONLY THING EVEN MORE BADASS IS THE SUBARU VIVIO CAFE BAR AND GRILL SEAFOOD BUFFET BISTRO SPORTS 😀
Fellow car guys are the best in the world. How many people would let you take anything off of anything and put it on yours to get through the day. Almost nobody but if you're driving a car, a car guys willing to help. One of my favorite examples is the Corvette guy who randomly dropped off a car cover. The guy thought he was throwing trash on his car. He went out inspected and there was a note saying I had one just like this here's my old cover. ❤❤❤❤ Car guys are the best
Lets goooo!! I had to resist watching the other video before this one
Same
Called it on the last video lin has the better car but lil ben is the more experienced driver. If lin gets as much seat time as lil ben he'd be a monster cause his line up of cars are legit and the beat at the 4 minute mark 🔥 and seizing calipers is definitely a mazda thing when i had my speed 6 my left caliper seized so much.
Not only did you add a bunch of grip to the RX, but RX-8's are extremely well balanced. Those things will rotate on a pivot around turns. Adding all that grip just makes it faster.
Welcome to the RX8 life. I had 245 firehawks and I had to work to break them loose. A good amount of camber in the front and a overall good alignment with good suspension will make the 8 an unusually good handling car.
Would love to see you put an NA 20b 3 rotor in the RX8 for track. Dream car. Would be awesome to see you guys put that together.
A 2000s version of the RX-8, fully neoned up and an incredibly complex paintjob xD
One of my favorite Saturday morning cartoons!!!
Renesis does not like boost.
Hit up Tuned By Shawn and get his Haltech Piggyback ECU setup and add FlexFuel.
Good-win Racing has a Wilwood Big Brake Kit for front and rear.
And that's all you need. Well, all you can really do in order to keep some form of reliability.
That intro was just... Eargasmic omg
The experiment paid for small Ben. Big Ben still has issues to sort out...turbo for rx8, stiffer springs for the s2k
sheeeesh the s2000 looks incredible, what a dream car
I'd say take the RX8 to a GridLife event if you can and see how it does.
Best possible outcome , they both still drive 😅.. as a car guy I 💯 % feel this is a factor every track day we worry about , especially if we use the same car to track as to daily (my dumbass) .. anyways I'm glad yal had a good time as that's what counts in the end , we all have fun and get to try again ... peace and love all, keep it rad, stay safe, and build on.. l8r famz and keep having fun
Definitely a drift car! Its been long due on this channel
Spoiler Alert…the RX8 is not as bad as everyone thinks it is.
Love all the videos but we need a roadtrip!
whats up with the mr2 / mrs?
would love more content about it.
i'm on the last corner to complete my 2zz swap. i'm already driving it around. needs some finishing touches and then... aero 😆
We NEED a proper conclusion to this battle!
Bring S2000’s! Different ones for a roadtrip haha
If only you could seriously reduce the weight of the RX8 😎 less power but its just such a fun car to let rip on a track, spitting flames 🔥
I wanna see that RX-8!!!! Swap the engine and let’s get it!!! FWD -> RWD
Both cars in this series seem to be built so haphazardly with little research into the tuning approach and part selection. I’d hazard to guess they scrambled to put these together to keep a weekly release schedule considering so many of their vehicles are blowing up.
Needs a rematch with both cars sorted and some more track time
I'd love to see the RX8 be a "driving experience" build of a car. Do things that may not be better on paper or lap times but end up giving better feel.
They talk about that transmission in the S2000, why not throw it at the RX8? Why not do ITB? A proper wing setup for the ultimate grip?
To go more power, engine swap, all that would miss the opportunity to go for a car that just naturally gets more headline appeal.
Pretty sure ITBs on an MSP would make it dramatically worse, reduce torque and engine responsiveness at all or nearly all RPMs. The factory intake with its runner valves is extremely well developed and hard to beat.
Road trip with a Honda ..sounds great 👍🏻
It would be really cool to let Colby take the RX-8 for a spin at VIR.
Every K Swap car owner
1st step remove the oil pump and balance shaft.
2nd step talk about how bad the vibrations are and how it rattles the whole car into pieces 😮😮
😂😂
But it's sooooo cheap
@@syaieya oh I’m not knocking the K swap. I’m just bringing light to the irony of removing the balance shaft and then talking about how K series vibrate everything loose
I think y’all should do a roadtrip with modified older American cars
I’m here for the sound
This just goes to show, you don't need a ton of power to have fun on a racetrack.
Please keep the RX8 and drop a 20b 3-Rotor in it. Insaneeee sounding with really good NA power.
G&G is a light in this dark world
That s2000 sounds so toughhhhhhhhhhh😮💨
The beats in this video are 🔥🔥
It's a nice place for Final Bout too! lol
Unbelievably anticlimactic finish to this series. Wow you guys fed this up.
I think the rx8s tires are bigger than it can really use. More tire doesn't always mean more better. There's a point of diminishing returns where you are widening your contact patch (side to side), but your also making it shorter (front to back). So it's not actually any bigger. And the rx8s doesn't have the weight or suspension geometry to use all of that tire.
That's probably why there were strips of un-used tired on the sides.
Idk about rx8s, but Im a s2000 person, and that point of diminishing returns for us is in the 265/275 territory.
I'm a wrench turner tho, not some smart boi, so I could be totally wrong.
If 265/275 works for the lighter s2000 why wouldn't it work for heavier rx8?🤔
Would you look at that, the rotary did pretty damn well and even got Mr Anti Rotary to enjoy some decel flames 😂
Duct tape and zip ties fixes everything 😂
Seriously guys??! Its better Ben to make his RX8 to track cars..why not??its more epic🎉
It’s like far cry 4 intro with three bells lol.
See how reliable rotary engines are!?
Honda wishes it could be so legendary!
/s
Congrats to the winner!! Go to the other channel to see who.
For the rx8... well you saw unlimited grip, may as well make it an unlimited time attack build with 3 rotors. We are laking rotary content and the civic is a gltc monster so may as well do both
Which engine had issues all track day??? Ah it was the Honda engine lol
I'd want to see you guys do 80s or 90s toyotas on a road trip! Mk2 mk3 supra, mr2, celica....sorry take the talon/eclipse to Alaska or something
Bois you have to make the American version of Best Motoring-Hot version Japanese show.
And build friendly competition.
Hell Yeah Brother 🇺🇸🦅
Yea that beat did go crazy
RX8 is always a balanced chassis and underrated car.
Foreshadowing another road trip! With the Type-R!?
Can we take this one as a practice session and ask for a proper race session with all the issues fixed?
Turbo the RX-8, get the teething problems out of the S2000, pick another track and rematch.
As for some ideas for a road-trip... Find two older cars (preferably with carburetors) and see who can make the best sleeper build out of two American road-pillows.
Now put 235s on the rx8 and see how the lap times change
We need a rematch!!
Yep. Like I've been saying. Rx8 is a diamond in the rough and prices will slowly start to climb as time goes on. These kids from gears and gasoline did everything possible to make the rx8 slower than stock with the bs mods that make it slower, and it still whooped the s2000 and has back seats. Gonna go enjoy mine today with 203whp STOCK