i don't get why people don't like twin lock. If you don't like it, u can choose not to use it, but personally i like and use 33% lock very often when climbing, and full in cities. I found it as nice option. I have patron 920 since one month and i love this bike, it give me so much joy from riding that i didn't have since high school and i am now 31.
I have the patron 900. I love it. I call it my tank. I have pulled myself through the deepest of muds without any issues. I even use it to commute to work.
I love your reviews. Wondering if y'all can add just a general trail riding review for more "trail" category bikes like this one and the Marin Rift Zone. On paper these two bikes look perfect for someone like myself. I'm a XC rider that does all day rides with climbing, singletrack and road on most of my routes. Most of your reviews are more on the downhill, Enduro and bike park type of riding it seems. In looking for an E for my "recovery" days but I'd like something that has a little more travel than my daily 120mm bike.
I an new in MTB at over 60 and i ride 920 Patron. Not even a month and already passed 150 km of trail riding on it. I think Scott never intended making a enduro bike with it, neither a soft trail bike, but rather a Go anywhere you want with it. Glad you reffered to it as Batman because I also own a MT-10 and it is a Dark side symbol as well.
Thank you! We always try to offer useful insight to any level of rider, so we do our best to skip the jargon and focus on the actions and behaviors of the bike. Glad you enjoyed it.
I have a 900 Patron ultimate and it’s a beast. Much lighter than the other models and with much better equipment. Excellent climber and very effective on enduro tracks as well. It’s not a 100% gravity bike, more like a do it all bike. It’s my fifth e bike and I love it.
Nice! Yeah the Patron is on my short list. I've ridden a Scott Spark for the past 10+ years and it's my go to bike. I'm considering an E for my "rest" days but I kinda want something with a little more travel and a little more capable than my Spark but can still pedal all day on my long weekend rides On paper the Patron seems to check all the boxes for me.
I really like the SCOTT ebikes how they look - are there any that support up to 28MPH from SCOTT - i'm having trouble finding one and keep narrowing down to the Specialized Tero/Levos
Where I'm from there are only 3 brands that have local dealer support if needed. Scott, Pivot, and Giant. Would the Patron be in the same or similar class as a Pivot Shuttle AM?
All three of those are solid options and depending on where we lived, and what trails we were riding, we'd pick either one and be stoked. We'd say drive unit, spec, value and reliability would come to play next as well as dealer support, and finally (but maybe most important!) what suspension platform and geo do YOU get a long with best.
The main reason I only buy scott is precisely because of the twinlock system... i couldn't do without it anymore. Even if you are not a fan of it...one lever is not in the way,is it?
If you’re willing to make regular use of the TwinLoc then its certainly a useful system. However, we’d prefer increased suspension adjustability and improved simplicity overall.
@@TheLoamWolf i will probably ride on different courses than you guys.. if the underground changes a lot it can save much energy with the twinlock system. When its "down hill " i open everything with a simple push... of course if you need a bike for crazy downhill than is this model with the type of suspension travel to limited..the same with the geometry ... long story short...you guys are right except for the twinlock 😋😋 keep up the good work 👏 👍
@@jogyselinck535 I agree with you here. I absolutely love the twinlock for all around mountain biking here in the PNW. Once you have it, you cannot live without it basically. I tell my friends, remember when touchscreens were new and everyone was saying it’s not needed. Nowadays, it’s practically a must. You really don’t know what you’re missing once you start getting comfortable with it and then it’s second nature and such a companion on long rides. However, I have a Bullit as my e-bike for the gnarly DH stuff. 🤭 I can tell you that none of the bikes in this year’s review touch it, absolutely killer bike!
@@LastAphelion sure, my experience on the Bullit have been ridiculous! I’m an avid PNW rider, so Galbraith, Tiger Mountain, Squamish, and Whistler are in my wheelhouse. Full send Black Diamonds are no problem, at around DBL BLK, I go to the Gambler. As far as an everyday bike, I use it for commuting to work as much as possible. I placed an X2 with a climb switch and left the performance fork to adjust the stiffness, and voila, she’s a wonderful commuter bike. All trails, all day, the EP8 let’s me tune my levels, so I use the setting depending on my needs. For commuting, set max on boost 95%, for Trail 70%, for ECO 20%, I challenge the ECO to compensate for the full weight of bike, not rider… bike is 48lbs, I’m 200lbs, so roughly 250, so 20% is the bike weight. If you want a bike for everything, I cannot see a better rig, unless DH is you regular gig. Hope this helps. I’m stoked it’s in my garage and fully customized! 🤌🏼
Cool bike. Still hard to get in the US. My local dealer (Keswick Cycles Glenside) carries Scott surprisingly, but no full sus. The value seems less good than previous.
Are you guys going to review the Pole Voima?? I thought you were going to a long time ago. I’m looking to buy one soon, and deciding between it and the new Canyon Strive: ON. Thanks!
The Voima is in the editing queue. Shouldn't be too much longer, couple weeks maybe. Strive:On is a different story, we're gonna reach out to try and get one soon.
@@TheLoamWolf Nice 👍 Thanks for the update. If you can’t even get the Strive:ON that makes me feel better about not being able to buy one. I guess there is a reason, but weird to me.
Wow, it's almost like having the shock outside the bike so you can fit a different shock is a good idea! Can't believe bike companies haven't thought of that yet!
@@TheLoamWolf better than nothing I guess, I doubt an x2 or any coil would fit. All this integration bike companies are pushing with headset routing and now internal shocks is just unnecessary and quite annoying
I think SuperTrail has been a category for years with people upping their fork travel to 160mm. The geo makes the trailbike not the amount of travel. I would not go for enduro geo, but I would also not settle for less than 160mm travel 😀
Imho this is a bike aimed at non mountainbikers. Crazy looks, lots of levers to play with, long travel and a conservative geo. Most Patrons will be ridden in cities, on gravel roads and light trails. But Scott being Scott still managed to make it a decent mtb as well.
@@TheLoamWolf the Whistler Shootout Challenge. Race stuff with the ebikes you consider are the fastest i guess the Yeti the Rocky i dont know ... sounds good hehehe
@@TheLoamWolf Imagine how hard it would be to source bikes for the Belt Drive MTB shootout 🤣, much less just reviews. I swear they're all from Germany like Nicolai. But that would be GREAT content, I can barely find any videos or informative ride articles on these things!
Man you guys have a hard job because all of these bikes are very good and probably fit most people needs I can’t imagine any of them disappointing someone who just loves to ride
While that would make it better for aggressive descending, the Patron geometry makes for a comfortable and very capable climbing machine, better in keeping with its trail intentions
Thats the Scott bike I woudn't buy. I tested it for a while and it feels like SUV. Not agile trail bike, nor like enduro one, but like SUV. I thought it might be a good option for older riders, like me (44) who, lets be honest, do not ride like in mid 20, i.e. jumping from everything with enormous confidence, but no. Still owning slightly modified eGenius and waiting for the next gen Ransom :)
So people buying an ebike dont want ebike motor zoom zoom noises? Can someone point out where the exit is for them plz... the world is better off in general without pedants.
Sorry to hear that you felt information was not given about the bike. What specific details would you like to have heard us talk about that we did not?
i don't get why people don't like twin lock. If you don't like it, u can choose not to use it, but personally i like and use 33% lock very often when climbing, and full in cities. I found it as nice option. I have patron 920 since one month and i love this bike, it give me so much joy from riding that i didn't have since high school and i am now 31.
I have the patron 900. I love it. I call it my tank. I have pulled myself through the deepest of muds without any issues. I even use it to commute to work.
i have the strike eride 940, for me its a tank compared to my old hardtail, Im also use it for commuting
i have 900 to, and I call it Beast 😂
I love your reviews. Wondering if y'all can add just a general trail riding review for more "trail" category bikes like this one and the Marin Rift Zone. On paper these two bikes look perfect for someone like myself. I'm a XC rider that does all day rides with climbing, singletrack and road on most of my routes. Most of your reviews are more on the downhill, Enduro and bike park type of riding it seems. In looking for an E for my "recovery" days but I'd like something that has a little more travel than my daily 120mm bike.
I an new in MTB at over 60 and i ride 920 Patron. Not even a month and already passed 150 km of trail riding on it. I think Scott never intended making a enduro bike with it, neither a soft trail bike, but rather a Go anywhere you want with it. Glad you reffered to it as Batman because I also own a MT-10 and it is a Dark side symbol as well.
I have the 910 and I think you are right
Guys, great review. You speak "rider" talk rather than "tech" talk. Love it! Keep producing quality work!
Thank you! We always try to offer useful insight to any level of rider, so we do our best to skip the jargon and focus on the actions and behaviors of the bike. Glad you enjoyed it.
I just bought a Scott Patron 910, mainly off your review. I hope Scott appreciates your connection to this sale.
I have a 900 Patron ultimate and it’s a beast. Much lighter than the other models and with much better equipment. Excellent climber and very effective on enduro tracks as well. It’s not a 100% gravity bike, more like a do it all bike. It’s my fifth e bike and I love it.
Nice! Yeah the Patron is on my short list. I've ridden a Scott Spark for the past 10+ years and it's my go to bike. I'm considering an E for my "rest" days but I kinda want something with a little more travel and a little more capable than my Spark but can still pedal all day on my long weekend rides On paper the Patron seems to check all the boxes for me.
@@spikebruiser1 Go for it, you won’t regret it. Go for the carbon models 900s. Cheer mate
I have the 910 snd I am happy.
How you afford it
If you can’t buy new go for a second hand, the market is full with nice prices. Cheers brother
What size did you all test ride? I am 5'10", and am told I should go M, even though I typically ride large in Yeti. Thanks
I really like the SCOTT ebikes how they look - are there any that support up to 28MPH from SCOTT - i'm having trouble finding one and keep narrowing down to the Specialized Tero/Levos
Loving all these reviews so far , a very well put together and thought out series. Keep up the great work 😀
Thank you very much! Appreciate it. Only a couple of days until our Finale!
Where I'm from there are only 3 brands that have local dealer support if needed. Scott, Pivot, and Giant. Would the Patron be in the same or similar class as a Pivot Shuttle AM?
What are your thoughts on the 2.4 vs 2.6 Schwalbe tires? Are the higher volumes detrimental in the soft and loose stuff you have been riding?
nice work guys... Thanks!
Which of the following is the best overall bike would you guys say ?
Scott patron 920
Orbea Wild M20
Specialized Turbo Levo Comp
All three of those are solid options and depending on where we lived, and what trails we were riding, we'd pick either one and be stoked. We'd say drive unit, spec, value and reliability would come to play next as well as dealer support, and finally (but maybe most important!) what suspension platform and geo do YOU get a long with best.
Have you guys heard if they plan on releasing a new Ransom Eride? It's been removed from Scott's website.
Well thats crazy. We haven't heard of any updates but if they've been pulled off the site, it's very possible updated versions are coming soon.
i actually heard they were discontinued
I see some 2023 models still listed in some shops but sadly can't find a discount yet
The main reason I only buy scott is precisely because of the twinlock system... i couldn't do without it anymore.
Even if you are not a fan of it...one lever is not in the way,is it?
If you’re willing to make regular use of the TwinLoc then its certainly a useful system. However, we’d prefer increased suspension adjustability and improved simplicity overall.
@@TheLoamWolf i will probably ride on different courses than you guys.. if the underground changes a lot it can save much energy with the twinlock system. When its "down hill " i open everything with a simple push... of course if you need a bike for crazy downhill than is this model with the type of suspension travel to limited..the same with the geometry ... long story short...you guys are right except for the twinlock 😋😋 keep up the good work 👏 👍
@@jogyselinck535 I agree with you here. I absolutely love the twinlock for all around mountain biking here in the PNW. Once you have it, you cannot live without it basically. I tell my friends, remember when touchscreens were new and everyone was saying it’s not needed. Nowadays, it’s practically a must. You really don’t know what you’re missing once you start getting comfortable with it and then it’s second nature and such a companion on long rides. However, I have a Bullit as my e-bike for the gnarly DH stuff. 🤭 I can tell you that none of the bikes in this year’s review touch it, absolutely killer bike!
@@Twentykixx Rare to find a Bullit owner or reviews on it, do you feel like the Bullit would feel like overkill as an only bike?
@@LastAphelion sure, my experience on the Bullit have been ridiculous! I’m an avid PNW rider, so Galbraith, Tiger Mountain, Squamish, and Whistler are in my wheelhouse. Full send Black Diamonds are no problem, at around DBL BLK, I go to the Gambler. As far as an everyday bike, I use it for commuting to work as much as possible. I placed an X2 with a climb switch and left the performance fork to adjust the stiffness, and voila, she’s a wonderful commuter bike. All trails, all day, the EP8 let’s me tune my levels, so I use the setting depending on my needs. For commuting, set max on boost 95%, for Trail 70%, for ECO 20%, I challenge the ECO to compensate for the full weight of bike, not rider… bike is 48lbs, I’m 200lbs, so roughly 250, so 20% is the bike weight. If you want a bike for everything, I cannot see a better rig, unless DH is you regular gig. Hope this helps. I’m stoked it’s in my garage and fully customized! 🤌🏼
Cool bike. Still hard to get in the US. My local dealer (Keswick Cycles Glenside) carries Scott surprisingly, but no full sus. The value seems less good than previous.
Are you guys going to review the Pole Voima?? I thought you were going to a long time ago. I’m looking to buy one soon, and deciding between it and the new Canyon Strive: ON. Thanks!
Oh man I wish they would!
The Voima is in the editing queue. Shouldn't be too much longer, couple weeks maybe.
Strive:On is a different story, we're gonna reach out to try and get one soon.
@@TheLoamWolf Nice 👍 Thanks for the update. If you can’t even get the Strive:ON that makes me feel better about not being able to buy one. I guess there is a reason, but weird to me.
I put a DPx2 on with Ohlins 38 and wireless shifting...she's a beast. Unfortunately coils don't fit
Nice thanks for sharing
Could a Float X fit ?
@carlossantiago4587 I'm sure it will. Just remember cover won't fit.
Curious why the Pole or Crestline didn’t make the shootout? Those bikes tick all the Boxes
Pole didn't want to participate (rob has one for a standalone review though) and Crestline didn't get their media bike back in time to send.
Wow, it's almost like having the shock outside the bike so you can fit a different shock is a good idea! Can't believe bike companies haven't thought of that yet!
Apparently a DPX2 will fit, so we assume some others will too. The TwinLoc system and NUDE shock have different benefits at least..
@@TheLoamWolf better than nothing I guess, I doubt an x2 or any coil would fit. All this integration bike companies are pushing with headset routing and now internal shocks is just unnecessary and quite annoying
Would of been nice to see the Patron St!! Longer travel and no twin lock
Entrail?
Tranduro?
Superdowncountry aka Allcrossmountain
Awesome cool epik bike lovit
It does look good!
I think SuperTrail has been a category for years with people upping their fork travel to 160mm. The geo makes the trailbike not the amount of travel. I would not go for enduro geo, but I would also not settle for less than 160mm travel 😀
the category formely known as All Mountain... which has dissapeared from everyone's nomenclature.
@@eugenux you are right. This happened when for some reason all allmountain bikes of 150mm travel were suddenly labeled trail bikes? Why?
A trailbike used to be 120-140mm. No wonder we now have downcountry 😀
Imho this is a bike aimed at non mountainbikers. Crazy looks, lots of levers to play with, long travel and a conservative geo. Most Patrons will be ridden in cities, on gravel roads and light trails. But Scott being Scott still managed to make it a decent mtb as well.
Worst thing of the shootouts its that they end 😢😅
About the scott i like its like the Jeep Wrangler of ebikes
Haha! We would love to do more. What other shootouts would you like to see?
@@TheLoamWolf the Whistler Shootout Challenge. Race stuff with the ebikes you consider are the fastest i guess the Yeti the Rocky i dont know ... sounds good hehehe
@@TheLoamWolf Imagine how hard it would be to source bikes for the Belt Drive MTB shootout 🤣, much less just reviews. I swear they're all from Germany like Nicolai. But that would be GREAT content, I can barely find any videos or informative ride articles on these things!
When I think "playful personality," I think Frenchie.
We all do! Haha. You should see his bag of prank supplies he shows up with every year. 😂
Man you guys have a hard job because all of these bikes are very good and probably fit most people needs I can’t imagine any of them disappointing someone who just loves to ride
It was a struggle this year for sure. All the bikes rode super well, it just came down to knit picking the small things.
Didn’t know this bike was named after tequila 😂
Can't wait for the Scott Espolon, Scott Don Julio, and Scott Hornitos
😂
they should rip off the stumpevo geo and theyd have a home run
While that would make it better for aggressive descending, the Patron geometry makes for a comfortable and very capable climbing machine, better in keeping with its trail intentions
@@TheLoamWolf well said
Thats the Scott bike I woudn't buy. I tested it for a while and it feels like SUV. Not agile trail bike, nor like enduro one, but like SUV. I thought it might be a good option for older riders, like me (44) who, lets be honest, do not ride like in mid 20, i.e. jumping from everything with enormous confidence, but no. Still owning slightly modified eGenius and waiting for the next gen Ransom :)
Thank you for sharing. we appreciate your opinion. The eRansom would still be our pick for our riding, but think this is a good Super Trail type bike.
So people buying an ebike dont want ebike motor zoom zoom noises? Can someone point out where the exit is for them plz... the world is better off in general without pedants.
BATMAN
This one will win the most offending seat tube length category 😂
No Piggy, no Bueno. I feel all full fatty, 140mm and above should have piggy.🐖🐷
We agree. Sounds like you can run a DPX2 in there though, which we’d likely opt to do if it were ours.
1 talking head, 2 yes-sayers, no real info of the scott... "bye".
Sorry to hear that you felt information was not given about the bike. What specific details would you like to have heard us talk about that we did not?
Good Super Trail bike, touring long distance I have always loved the twin lock I don't like the hidden shock.
Fair enough!