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Surplus Firearms: Then & Now (DID WE MISS OUT?) Milsurp Investing 💰 Military Rifles & Handguns (C&R)
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- Опубліковано 23 кві 2024
- Are military surplus firearms a good investment? Prices have certainly gone way up since the 'Good Ole Days', but a lot has changed between then and now. Milsurp collecting is my favorite hobby, but I've been wondering how military gun values have appreciated over the past couple of decades compared to other assets, taking into account inflation. I miss those cheap Mosins and Mausers, but are they truly that much more expensive today? I was very surprised by some of my findings. I want to say a huge thank you to the community members who helped me with the research!
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I bought an M44 carbine, 100 rounds of ammo, a bore snake, and some hoppes for $120 back in 2006. It definitely was a gateway drug.
I have a Japanese Arisaka rifle that my Dad brought home from WWII. He was an excellent builder and carpenter but not much on mechanics. To ship it home he had to remove the firing pin. He filed an X on the Mum. He removed the firing pin and spring. They got lost over time. He gave me this about 50 years ago. It was in excellent shape when I got it. I asked some gunsmiths about fixing it up. I was told they are dangerous and not worth anything. With the Advent of the internet I started doing my own research. This was an early war model and I was able to get the parts I needed to make it functional. It had the air craft sights on it. I have fired it and it works fine. Chrome lined barrel is perfect. Sure glad I hung on to it.
Those early 99’s can take some serious pressures and abuses. You’ve got nothing to worry about good thing you held onto it!
Those early 99’s can take some serious pressures and abuses. You’ve got nothing to worry about good thing you held onto it!
Unfortunately most of the dents in the wood are from my not taking very good care of it, thinking it was not worth anything. It still cleaned up to be a nice looking rifle. I have purchased a bayonet for it and a reproduction monopod and sling. Makes a very interesting looking rifle and a fine shooter.
At the end of WWI and at the end of WW2 as surplus guns flooded the US, and again in the 1980s some gun manufacturers had gun magazine writers write articles warning American shooters that the imports of former enemy guns were of inferior quality to American arms made by the American manufacturers. Lugers & P48s always jam, Carcanos and Arisakas (and Spanish Mausers in 7,62 NATO) tend to blow up and if you want a good pistol or rifle buy an American one and not one of the inferiour weapons from the side that lost the war.
Colt and S&W had started that kind of nonsense in the late 1870s when a flood of Belgian double action revolvers arrived in the US at an average sale price of $2 while the US made revolvers were being sold to the US military and public for about $12- $16 each. The firms collaborated and took out joint ads in major newspapers warning the public to not trust the foreign guns that were clearly of lower quality than the US made guns and all people should be loyal to the US and only buy American guns. We saw the same nonsense from Detroit when Japanese cars that got 20 miles per gallon and cost 1/3 the price of the Detroit muscle cars that got 8 miles per gallon. Chrysler, GM and Ford all took out ads on TV and in magazines urging everyone to only buy cars made in America. I remember several NRA and True Life magazine articles warning us about those unsafe, cheap, foreign rifles and pistols flooding the US after WWII before GCA68. I wish I had been old enough to buy some back then. .
Thanks for the info. Makes sense.
Sure it’s nice to make a little money, but above all holding a piece of history in your hands is priceless.🔥🔥🔥
Tangible history is great, and awesome if it goes into other hobbies like target shooting or hunting in this case, and I love cars for a similar reason.
There were a few times when I was driving my mother's original 1939 Chevy Master Deluxe where I saw some old timers see the car and get this look on their face like some good fond memories had just come back to them.
My grandfather passed long ago, but looking at his service record and knowing he qualified with the M1 Carbine, I have one inkling of a connection there when I use mine.
It's unfortunate but inevitable that the surplus market has gone so high that the cost just isn't right for newcomers, especially younger ones.
Back in the '80's and 90's they couldn't give these rifles away. We were hunting Garands, Carbines and '03 Springfields!
I bought a couple of mint Russian SKS's for $200 bucks. Many Carbines and 03's for $300-$500 .
Ah, those were the Days My Friend! Garands were always on the high side.
I almost forgot, My Old Man fought in The Battle of the Bulge and He brought home of all things a Russian Tokarev.
It had the firing pin removed and I remember bring it to School for "Show and Tell". Imagine that! Hahahaha!
Picked up a Rashid carbine around 23 years ago for 400 dollars, everyone thought I was crazy. “It’s an Egyptian SKS” they said. Same with my Albanian SKS. “Just buy a Chinese for less”. Who’s laughing now? Lol
Picked up my Rasheed 8 years ago for the price of an sks. It was mixed in the middle of a bunch of them.
Picked up a flawless rasheed 4 years ago for $750 with a spare nos magazine, sling and adjustment tool. Sometimes its about who you know and asking around.
I saw those too. They're nice but lot of ppl complained about a smooth bore
How was your rifling?
My rasheed has a great bore with deep rifling. They're all counterbored for some reason. Maybe they were trying to protect the crown. Still shoots as good or better than any of my sks and with direct impingement and adjustable gas it has very little recoil once tuned.
Back in the day I had over a dozen Mosins, including a genuine PU sniper, a few ex-snipers, an MO marked 91/30, and a couple M38's. Then my divorce happened and all I still have is one of the M38's (a 1941 Izzy). Fast forward to a couple weeks ago, when a chance conversation led to me buying a couple rifles from a customer of mine. I got a 1943 Tula 91/30 for $200 and a gorgeous Chinese SKS Type 56 made in 1964 for $300. The deals can still be found! Almost forgot to mention the M96 Swedish Mauser I bought from a co-worker a year ago for $400. Dated 1907 numbers matching with a gorgeous fiddleback grained French walnut stock!
I bought all my milsurps way back when and have enjoyed watching them skyrocket in value. Back in the day I got a 91/30, M44, SMLE 1, SMLE4, Nagant, and many others. I actually pulled my mint SMLE1mk3 out of a trash can.
Best investment I ever made was buying a numbers matching Pre-War 91/30. Got it for 4 Benjamin notes. Earlier this year, I traded it in for $800 in credit on a Ruger Redhawk 44 Magnum
I received a color flyer from AIM surplus every month back in the late 90's early 2000's When they sent me the flyer for there exclusive Albanian SKS rifles they had three options all matching with new wood grade b not all matching with new wood. and the cheapest ones seen heavy action and were beautiful Battlefield Pickup rifles. They had all kinds of real hard won charisma. I knew immediately i wanted two of the Battlefield pickup rifles. They came with new stocks and Never even thought about putting them on. people nowadays spends weeks trying to get their AK's and SKS rifles to look like mine does
I remember very well my dad picking up his Polish M44 from a local gun store for $69 in the early 2000s.
I was very very fortunate to hit the collecting of my own personal stuff at the very latest stages of this being affordable (2010). I managed the $100 Mosin, the $350 M59 (sans grenade launcher) Yugo SKS, the $250 K31 and $200 1896/11. I got my first Garand in 2011 for $700 as a service grade from the CMP. You could buy .30-06 Greek surplus all day for $0.47 a round. My M1 Carbine was $700 from Dupage trading. I miss those days but it has allowed me to really slow down now that prices have increased... I don't rush out and grab things anymore because you cannot afford to do so.
One thing you'll see now is the stabilization of the prices and even a decline in the prices for certain things. SMLEs were $25 because there were an abundance of them being imported. Now that there is no new surplus ammo/new firearms being imported... they quickly shot up in value and it has just sat there essentially unchanged for decades. You can still get them from random places online in fairly beat condition for not a ton of money.
The unfortunate truth is that recreational shooting of milsurps is dwindling. It's just too expensive for average people to spend a full day at the range shooting $1+ a round. With the lack of affordability will go the interest in these firearms. Those millions of Tokarevs are not going to keep rocketing in value when you cannot purchase 7.62x25 readily anymore.
I bought a M91/59 in the mid-80's ,exactly like your description. Less than $ 100. Will never give up. 59's are sort of special in my opinion.
Yeah m91/59s are special because nobody can agree where they're from and why they were made. The one i have is the most beautiful mosin ive ever seen. Super nice bluing and wood.
Ammo is the best investments as in 7c a round 7N6, tok even cheaper and 54r but same with steelcase 7.62x39, sporter siaga rifles 16" with dimples did not cost much in bulk and I feel they will go up the most out of anything as they are russian factory made AKs that are easy to convert. think alot of people missed out on the Finnish rifles and also the M48 Yugo mausers as alot of them looks like they have never been shot, sure it's a medium ring Mauser but it's a solid Mauser. Pretty much all milsurp.
My uncle always hoarded guns as his dad made a fortune with surplus US and German rifles.
I still have some new in box oreban Chinese rifles, crates of mosins, so many toks, maks even nagant revolvers and they where so cheap.
A shit load of ammo in crates and I don't want to shoot stuff like 7N6, or hot tok ammo same with nagant ammo as you just can't get them anymore.
If you get a good milsurp at a reasonable price, you will never loose money.
I began collecting milsurp rifles in high school becasue they were affordable, historical, and fun to shoot. Most current prices seem a bit much to me, but I suppose they are not as long as people are willing to pay.
There's quite a few market forces around the price explosion.
As we get more distanced from the times these weapons were made, interest in the events they were used in grows. Liking history and wanting even a small connection to the events drove up prices.
Another was ammunition availability. What good is a gun you can't shoot? Suddenly, around 2000-2002 the market was flooded with dirt cheap milsurp ammunition and more domestic companies began producing the rarer cartridges that had been helping to keep gun prices low. "I can shoot it now? Great! I'll take these four Mausers, three Mosins, and three Enfields. Do you have change for a $100?"
Excellent video, great content. Very timely.
Thankful I picked up what I could between 2014 and 2020. You still can get somewhat lucky with prices. For example, an unissued, wrapped, cosmoline covered Enfield for $500.
Should add I bought that Enfield last year
I was lucky enough to start buying in 05. But in the fall of 2019 a cabelas local to me accidently used an late 00s price book. Scored 20 rifles over a week before they fixed the error. Getting a finn m39 120 something and an Egyptian FN 49 for 299 was pretty rad.
Best investment wise buy I made was a SVT 40 for $219 in 1996. I only made about $5 an hour pre tax though at the time.
That’s one of my regrets not grabbing an SVT when they weren’t a few grand.
@@Nick_B_Bad nobody seemed very interested in them at the time. I remember seeing one for $400 made in 1944 and thinking it was way overpriced. Wish I had bought it now.
Wow that’s crazy
In the mid sixties my father bought a British Enfield .38 pistol that was a double action only service revolver, he paid less than $ 20 mail order. He swapped it for a double barreled American brand shotgun. I still have that shotgun .The relative prices now as best as I can tell is $350 for the still shootable shotgun ,the Enfield is about $ 850 , by the way ammo is still available
Hey man, I watch and like just about ALL your videos and this is my FIRST comment. Why? Because I really REALLY enjoyed this one. It made me feel good about my collection and I also learned a lot! Best of luck to you.
Thanks so much for the support. This video was a ton of work but I enjoyed putting it together. I just wish more people would watch it 😆
My 89.00 "gateway drug" Mosin of 20 years ago has led me to spending thousands today. I'm an addict, I know, but I love it/them!!!
One of my better purschases wasn't mil-surp but had the opportunity in 2002 to buy three NIB Mak90's. They were being sold for $300 each. Bought all three and opened one to use. Still have the other two in their original packaging with all their accessories. Wife was not thrilled at the time but totally worth it!
My fully matching Tula 1938 M91/30 Mosin was $420. The ammo I buy is red army standard 148 grain for about 65 cents a round. Rifle is fine
7.35 Carcano! That is my favorite!! I'm 60 and lived through the "Golden age" of mil/surp.s But the 7.35 Carcano my father's best friend gave me is my favorite! He had 2 son's,but gave it to me.What we didn't have then,was the internet? Now I load my own for my Mil/surp.s. And, the internet have proven where to get information on the best loads.
K31's are super interesting as far a value fluctuation. I remember when I was getting hard on the milsurp juice in about 2014-2015, K31's were starting to climb a lot, getting to around the $800-$1000 mark. I remember wanting one quite badly in 2017, and not being able to find one for under $800 in the primary or secondary market, and just about giving up. Fast forward to 2022, and I buy one from Centerfire Systems for $299, granted without a magazine, but still well below what I used to see them for, and they have still been holding in price well below that $800 mark because of the obvious supply difference. The fact that ammo is on the verge of being "hens teeth" rare, may also factor into the supply situation of them still being in decent supply, but oh well, you can't win em all. Mil-surps are such a wild investment/hobby/addiction!
I got 11 Mosins. I think 2 or 3 hex one M44 and m38 carbine. The rest regular 91/30. I went for different years of manufacture. All about 89 bucks at the time. The most was the M38 was 130 ish. My first when I was 18 was my Rc Mauser k98 for 240 ish after tax. Obviously not nearly all mil surplus I have. I had a Nagant revolver unfortunately I sold it 😢
For years the value has fluctuated. When large dumps of military arms came on the market, prices dropped. I remember when all C-96s were rare and expensive. Then the Chinese dumped theirs and prices dropped. Now brooms have gone up again. Anything that was from East Germany commanded high prices. Wall came down - Makarovs went cheap. Now they are getting expensive again. So, it goes. Certain guns, such as snipers, special unit associated, etc - will always command high prices.
Gotta have luck with finding good deals. I found a yugo mauser at a pawn shop right as covid hit for 2011 price. I regret getting rid of it.
Nicely Done! I'm not sure if anyone else has addressed this, but I have had the same lingering question for some time. Thank you for such an excellent summary including your mention of precious metals and securities along with inflation. SUBSCRIBED!
It's worse/sadder than you have any idea of.... In the 80s and early 90s we were getting these guns with all matching numbers, and finding an unissued unfired version for some rifles was not uncommon! I saw Sako Nagant snipers, unfired and with the original scope for under 500
I am so glad that I bought 4 crates of mosins for $400 when you could.
Holy crap! You did good
This could not be a better time for me to find this video. As I have access to a local auction. So many relics for sale. Thank you for giving me price points to aim at. Was struggling to find them.
This is such an underrated channel. I wish you could post more dude 😊
My good ole days saw $12.95 MN 91s. Contemplating letting a go for good bank.
My MN91/30s average $29.95 to $50.
My opinion, you can't beat a firearm purchase at a cheap price.
Love the value analysis of surplus.
I never bought a surplus weapon for an investment but now I'm glad I have what I do, although wouldn't sell for any kind of markup.
I d8dnt miss out on many, but d8dnt get a CZ52 handgun or a Swiss K31.
Ultimate reason for higher prices is supply. Several big sellers no longer exist and not many imports even occur now.
Arguably my best milsurp score was picking up a late war P38 in good shape for around $325, circa. 1996. My recollection is that at that same time, you could get a solid M1 Garand for around $400 to $450 and decent shooter grade German Lugers for around $600. Arguably my biggest miss was passing on getting a K31 back around 2014 when you could still find decent ones for no more than about $250.
“ 1917 Funny story “
2 years ago, got me a 1917 Remington rifle chambered in 30-06 number 256,XXX original barrel dated March 1918 amazing condition and fantastic rifling. Ive had plenty of people want it, offering what I thought was a stupid price for it.
I seen it sitting in a corner at a guys house and didn’t know much about it, all I heard it was chambered in 30-06 and I wanted something to Plank and 30-06 was sorta easy to find due to ammo still hard to find, so I was like well let’s buy it to plank with, once I got it home I did some research and I crapped my pants for the price I paid….. $250 the dude got in touch with me and said I got the deal of a lifetime. He wasn’t even aware of what he had. I’m very happy with it and I don’t even shoot it. It’s too dang beautiful.
The Mosin's price just jumped up during the COVID. I got mine in the local shop for $450 Australian Dollars with Bayo, ammo pouch. cleaning kit and sling, that equals to less than 400 USD in 2019.
But only 5 years past, its average market price already flied to around $ 800 USD now, huge jump.
I got lucky and won an m91/30 on gunbroker for 330, recently numbers matching with a bayonet. The barrel was a bit rough with some kind of crust or rust in it but I can hit steel at 100. A bit sticky to eject though.
I paid less than $70 a peice for my M1 Garlands and $6 for 50 rnds of 30 - 06 black tip ammo the 80's were great
About three years ago at an Army Navy store I picked up a 1929 Tula Armory Pre-Dragoon 91-30 with matched number bayonet, and no it is not a forced number, for $300.00.
I have an M44 very nice.. gave 550 for it last year.
I don't care about the price. It is what it is.. I make a whole lot more money than I did back then, I like the old guns, started collecting about 2 1/2 years ago. Got myself a whole gaggle of em now..happy collecting.🙂
In this market either you gamble with Hunter's Lodge or you look for Bubba specials on gun classifieds, at garage and estate sales and online and remilitarize. If you want surplus. Sarco is still interesting. But if you're going to pay that type of money for surplus, your best bet is to buy CMP Garands right now, even rack grade.
This is a great video idea. I’d love to see a part two of other firearms. I also would’ve loved to see a compilation into a table for comparison at the end.
Does any legend want to go through the video again and make a comment with a table, adjusted for inflation, comparing the price differences to the different asset class investments?
SVT 40s are crazy high now.
We were born too late for the cheap military surplus days. I’ve seen this with some bayonets, too. Check out the price of a US M1905 bayonet now.
FINALLY! You put the fuse in that TM-62 lol
About the only hope younger collectors have is inheriting a collection from an older family member, the prices are insane in today’s market.
I was hoping to hear about two of my favorite rifles, a Swedish Mauser and an no4mk1 Enfield 😢
I saved your video on facebook and the facebook metrics said I posted gun sales on my profile and gave me a warning and now I can't find your post.
Around 2006 or so you could find sales every so often around 80-90 for Mosins, but most dealers at the shows had them for around 100-125 with the higher end for the earlier Mosins with the squared off receivers.
That same time period as well, the K31s were around 150-200 and were quickly climbing as they became more noticed.
At around 2012 is when I dropped off going to shows and returned to them around 2018-2019 and found prices had gone way up, and after covid had gone completely insane.
Fleet Farm had surplus 7.62x25 and 5.45x39 for 80-90 quite often.
They at one point had AR uppers chambered in 7.62x25 as well, I think that came out when they started carrying Adams Arms, and shortly after the surplus x25 dried up and iirc saw an online dealer with those same tin cans pre-covid for around 350 a can.
Something to consider before anyone thinks to run out and sell right now, is the recent ATF ruling and reinterpretation on what defines a dealer, which includes making a profit. Read more or look up videos on here discussing this new ruling.
You touched on the inexpensive ammunition. That in itself could be a show. It was the perfect storm. Crates and tins of fresh surplus ammo for a few cents a round were selling along with the inexpensive surplus firearms. It’s no longer a cheap hobby. The surplus firearms market doesn’t make sense anymore to get into anymore unless you want to spend the bucks
My most unique rifle and possibly best return on investment has been my Enfield No7 Mk1 22LR naval training rifle. I bought if for about $400-450. The last time I saw one sell at auction here in the states it sold for $2800. I've also looked at ones that sold overseas for $3500. Next in line would be my 7.62X39 Rashid. And I got into this late, only starting to collect in 2015.
I've found the tokarev pistols for 400 and some others for about half the price of what they were last year. The tokarevs were around 1200 to 2k Last year. They're coming down but still more than I want to pay
I just got into collecting very recently and it pains me how what I'm interested in is so expensive. It'll be nice to afford something like the Swiss K31, but my heart still wants to get a Garand or German Mauser (despite them being horribly expensive). Love your videos, I would be totally lost without them!
M1 Garands are not too bad. They have been relatively stable through the CMP. You can get a Rack Grade (shootable) M1 Garand for $700 with free shipping from the CMP. It's the ammo that has doubled in price.
@@FireFlowerFarmstead Good point, I've heard lots about CMP and should really look into it! And yeah, from what I've heard ammo has gotten out of hand for most calibers, which really stinks
If you live in or close to Ohio or Alabama, there are a total of 3 CMP camps where you can go to with the proper paperwork and then pick out a M1 Garand from the multiple racks along with a 1903 Springfield in prices from about $700 up to $3400+. They have the different rifles from the companies who manufactured these beautiful rifles, so you could walk out with a personal choice of a gem of a rifle. Yes walk out and take it home with you to enjoy!
@@davidwalters7600 That's awesome, I can't wait to see if I can do that one day! I heard you have to be a part of some sort of shooting club and/or have shot in an event/competition, so if that's true it might take some time.
Never picked up a k98, because they were close to $200 when everything else was around $60. Guess my collection will always be missing one.
I think they're a good investment. I think it will go in the way of a Gold as a store of wealth. I think world events (conflicts, unrest, and politics) will drive up the price of everything, including arms. Milsurbs will continue to see an increase in popularity with games and movies.
I'm not a financial advisor nor am I giving advice. Just my opinion.
It’s insane how much the milsurp firearms market have increased in value. All of mine that I started collecting in early 2000 have at least doubled in value , if not more. They are indeed an investment….
I still remember the big5 newspaper ads for nagant rifles for $70 and thinking that those would never be worth anything.
I collected in the late 80,s through the 2000,s. Good time for that. I went after WW2 guns without import stamps. I did collect a dozen rifles that were imported. Still have my C&R. Imports were in better shape. Like my like new M48. It was on sale for 69.95. I have yet to shoot it 32 years later. Retired early and enjoying my collection.
I bought a mint laminate Mosin 91-30 (receiver date; 1943) from Classic Arms for $89.00 + 20 for shipping. And then Classic went nuts with their prices.
I scored a tok with 50 rounds for 230 last year. I'm happy
Mauser Black Forest carbine that's what they called it 1987 $350 through Shotgun news.
Thank you, great assessment.
Picked up a Romanian m44 1955 that is a little rare got it for 5 bills, l was thrilled to get it for that! PS matching#
AWESOME INFO KEEP GOING BRO
bought my model of 1941 johnson rifle for $600.00 in mid 80's, they are selling at big auctions for $10,000 now. i also have a sporting barrel for it in .270 win. it was given to me. i have never see one of these for sale. my nagant revolver, with holster, cleaning rod, screw driver and lanyard, $100.00. 91/30 ex sniper, $125.00
Awesome video RR
My best investment was finding a 1936 produced Finnish M27 Mosin at a standard price. Finland only made 75 that year and after three wars, there are only six other known 1936 M27s in the world. I have the 7th.
Look into sold listings not what gun show scalpers are looking for. 91/40 still in the $300-$400 range
Sometimes the first batches of milsurps are a horrible deal. The time to buy is when the market gets flooded with them. Dont see much of that going on nowadays.
Picked up a winchester m1 garand for 600 off of the cmp a few years ago.
The was more than a few years ago but i know what you mean. Im driving to the cmp south next week but im having a hard time stomaching their current prices.
I remember being a young little kid and looking thru the big 5 magazines at bb guns and seeing Russian Mausers for 69.99 and thinking damn I'm gonna buy one of those when I'm 18.
The Mitchell's Model 48's were not parts bin rifles. They were just hand selected excellent examples. Their K-98's however were questionable at best.
I bought my Garand in 1991 from the old US Government DCM $175 and my Chinese SKS for $69 at the Tulsa Gun Show and 1400 rds of 7.62 x 39mm China for $74.
Arisaka rifles are probably the best deal for a milsurp. You also can't beat a Swedish mauser.
Curious as to the value on my 1917 Kar98AZ, Erfurt. It has non matching numbers and the stock is an AZ, but it was sporterized. Good bore. Anybody?
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It’s not a milsurp but I picked up a Riesling .22cal pistol for around $200.00 that I’ve seen recently going for $1200.00 in the same condition mine is in. 😊
Prices is coming down, the collectors circle is getting smaller, unfortunately
Heck I remember as a kid they had mosins in a whiskey barrel for 49.99 or 89.99 with a spam can of 440rds
The reason the prices were so low on those things was that it was all stolen property. When Communism fell, for few years nobody was really in charge. Whoever had the keys to state warehouses just basically looted them and sold everything west. Some joker who used to be a supply sergeant making $5 a month could suddenly sell a million Nagants to some wholesaler for $10 apiece and it was all pure profit.
I bought my first Mosin Nagant (circa 1943) 91/30 at a big 5 back in the 1980's Arsenal refinished excellent condition $89. Then in 2012 I bought another Mosin Nagant 91/30 (circa 1943)Arsenal refinished in excellent condition $189 so yes prices just keep going up.
Russia didn't start exporting Mosin Nagants until after the Soviet Union fell. The 1st shipments didn't come in until ~1992.
@@donwyoming1936 there were batches of m91s in the country made by Westinghouse and remington and some others I believe. We were making them for the czar and then the whole commie revolution happened so these rifles just stayed here.
Griffin&Howell I think was converting them to different calibers
Bannerman was also doing caliber conversions of them.
But a lot were sold cheap on the us market through the 30s well into the 80s I believe
The US did use them. I think it was the AEF that was sent to guard ammo depots in Russia post ww1 during the revolution…. They were sent over with some of these US made mosins. And were told to use ammo from the caches they were guarding….. however they didn’t have slings for rifles oddly enough so there are photos of them using rope and other items as slings…..
Also $89 for a 91/30 in the 80s even if it were possible. Makes 0 sense since in 2012 you could get a 91/30 with ammo pouches sling bayonet cleaning kit and oil/solvent bottle for $75 out the door….. and it was $60 for just the rifle that’s where my 1939 Ishevsk 91/30 came from.
Its crazy how shitty everything is / has gotten in the last 15+ years
Thank Hickok 45
You forgot the The holy Grail of surplus the M1 Garand !!
Keep in mind with no serbs. They were made then and this is now. So they are worth what people will pay for them.
I certainly wouldn't pay more than a 100 bucks for a moment revolver today.
And I thought I got bent over a barrel when I paid $800 for my Mitchell’s k98 last year….. I restained the stock and blued the bolt to make it look a little better… but it was in basically brand new condition and had its markings… I’m aware that people think Mitchell’s restamped them but I don’t think that’s true unless it pertains to SS markings..which is why I was willing to pay the $800
Found a gorgeous yugo capture recently for $500. But of course it has its markings scrubbed and stock shortened by 1/2” for whatever reason the Yugoslavs felt they needed to do that.
I also just picked up a 1918 true no1mk3 with no updates for $350 in a pawn shop…. They had it listed as a no4mk1 The bore looks perfect on it
Also just got 2 M1 Garands from RTI
both in good shape
One is 1943 production with a nice bore in a 1960s dated barrel
The other is a 50s m1 with original barrel and it’s bore is like brand new
Bought them both during RTI’s flash sale/false scarcity deal they had going on for the past 2 months.
Paid a bit more than I would’ve for a CMP rack grade. But got 2 really good ALL USGI rifles. With 3 en-blocs a piece and they both came in a hard case and got to me within a week.
Mitchell's Mausers were the first Milsurp marketed for the unknowledgeable crowd. Pretty sells to those who don't know what they are buying. Paying $800-$1,500 for a bubba German Mauser is not the wisest of all investments IMHO.
@@qz2026 I’m well aware of Mitchell’s and their history. I remember them being $300 for the rifle with accessories
The half assed sanded “blonde” stocks
And polished bolts that were never a thing…. And the unknown asterisk that is stamped Into the receiver ring. And the goofy ass add they put out claiming they were the “last chance”. Last batch of “original k98s out there” etc etc. I didn’t buy for collectibility I bought it to shoot. And to say I have a k98 and it was the best price for a k98 in my local area at that time.
I bought the Mitchell’s k98 because it was in like brand new condition and still had its original factory code and production year
I don’t care about collectibility I care about shoot ability……. I paid 800 for this Mitchell’s when a week before a Russian capture mixmaster 42G k98 sold for over $1000
And a scrubbed yugo capture was 500/600
I paid a middle price for a basically brand new k98 with a phenomenal bore… and it’s not some badass collectible so I can go and shoot the piss out of it. And not care.
I have no intentions of ever selling any of my collection so I don’t really care about investment value. I bought what at the time was the best deal I could find in my local area and walked away with a very solid rifle
I also have some stuff in my collection that will mostly just be a collectors item… like the 106 year old SMLE I just got…. And the 1915 LSA Smle I saved from being thrown away
LSA (London small arms) being the smallest manufacturer. And 1915 being their lowest production year. I have a somewhat rare rifle.
The two of which I will barely shoot.
But I have an all matching 1950 ishapore that I can shoot the shit out of…..
I tend to have 2 of everything. I have at least one that is an actual collectible piece
And one that is of lesser value that I can actually shoot and enjoy.
I dont have a nagant revolver either and cant stomach the price tag nowadays.
I think actual inflation had been much higher than official numbers. They mess with and change the way they measure it. So I think that accounts for some of the gain in surplus prices. Regardless I think they can be a good investment or at the very least a "savings account"
It depends on the model of firearm. I bought a Swedish Mauser M41 from Sarco for 799$ I think in 2008 or so. And sold it on Gun Broker last year (through a dealer) for over 4800$ and I never even shot it lol. I bought a Izhevsk SKS for 500$ in 2012 and a friend of mine offered me 1500$ for it recently but I think I'm going to keep it for awhile. I still think Yugoslav Mausers are a good buy they still run around 500$ here in the San Antonio area.
And did you report the capital gain on your taxes? Probably not.
@@qz2026 I actually did lol. I asked my tax specialist about it and they suggested that I should report it since there is a reported record of the sale in gun broker. However if it was a cash private transaction I'm sure that's a different matter.
@@darthmartinez I don't agree. All financial transactions are taxable in the US these days. GunBroker and all online sellers must submit 1099's to the sellers if the sales are over $600 for any item, not just guns. And if you report a profit like your advisor recommends, then you will be considered a non-licensed dealer in the eyes of the BATF. I can't help but think that they are not linked together yet. If not, it will come soon. So, you have broken the law twice - selling for a profit without a license and not reporting income. Good for us that they don't have their processes together - YET.
@@qz2026 I sold it through a local FFL's Gun Broker account. No Laws were broken.
Thanks,
@@qz2026 I Sold it through a local FFL's Gun Broker account. No laws were broken.
thanks,
I picked up a hakim for around 800 cdn so 500 usd last year. I got a breda garand for 1500 cdn late last year. 1100 usd. I think I got in just under the wire.
I would have loved to find a Hakim for that
I managed to snag a last ditch type 99 for 25$ last year. It needed a thorough cleaning and the handgaurd is missing, but otherwise its good. It wasnt worth the gunsmiths time so score for me.
theyre trying to push the smle around here in all original specs for 1,200-1,800.
I had a Chilean Mauser in 762. A 88 gewher in 8mm. Ea 250.00. VG . Today I can buy a mossberg scout mvp for 500.00 that rifle outshoots any milsurp and holds AR mags. Trigger is better. Lighter. I just cannot compare a milsurp to the new and exciting rifle products available today. I have no desire to pay these prices for milsurp. I'll put my money into something new. The other aspect is,I don't want to get involved with any firearm where the ammo is rare ot costs alot.
Man I picked up my yugo sks last year for 400$ from a gun store
There are still good deals to be found, just have to keep your eyes open. There are bunkers still full of Nagants, and WW II picked up arms in Ukraine, and Russia, just no route to import them. Still good deals on vintage Swiss arms, hunting rifles, and European .22’s. Picked up a Husqvarna a few months back for $200.00, and it looks great now repaired ad a piece of stock missing.
I purchased a Colt Commando .38 special pistol made for three years during the war for $75.00 in the mid 1970's. Purchased an Inglis HP for $225.00 mid 1990's. Traded a Plainfield M-1 carbine for a Browning HP under Nazi occupation and proofed,
I used to sell Mosins and SKS at gun shows for $90 and $100 and don’t you know I had plenty of people tell me how that was just crazy high …” don’t you know how many of those were made?” OK 😃
Picked up a Albanian sks about 9 years ago for 500 bucks
Blued steel did better than silver bonds stonks outperformed quite a few banking things. ..over a decade. go figure. I regret not buying a case of the $89 Russian nagant revolvers available 14 years ago
Yeah, I really missed out. I should've been buying milsurp instead of being in those pesky diapers, learning how to walk and talk, or God forbid being in preschool and kindergarten.
Shame I was in middle school instead of buying guns 😭 it sucks because I've ALWAYS had an interest in old guns and always wanted to buy them just couldn't until the current market.
Dang I bought my 1943 M1 Garand at $500 in 2010, my Mosin is Finland capture at for $150 in 2011 and my hakiam I got for $200 in 2011.